man, i've tried dozens of times days and weeks ago, i couldn't start PikaOS a single time, tried the KDE nvidia version tried starting with normal graphics, tried with safe graphics, all the times boot failed and i fall to initramfs terminal, what am i doing wrong? i've used ventoy, didn't work, i've used a default iso pendrive creator from kde, didn't work, i gave up.
@@DavidCoutinhoCG prob not ur issue if you exclusively use linux, but just in case, one thing that's stumped me many times is if you plug a flash drive into a windows computer it adds a file that fucks up the iso, if you disable the feature that does that or just dont let it do that it'd be fine
@@DavidCoutinhoCG check if you have secure boot turned on in your BIOS, older systems have if off or non existent though. Worked for me when installing BigLinux a week ago, thought ventoy was broken and tried many others but turns out it was secure boot been on that was the issue, and most systems won't give an intuitive error message as to why usb boot failed.
I would appreciate a comparison between Nobara, CachyOS, PikaOS, aso. : pro and cons, why should i use one over another one. Cause each month a new distro is out, and is fantastic !
I would like to see more people contributing to debian-backports. That's the mechanism to have up-to-date packages, but nobody is contributing to that, most people are making their own distros. I know that pikaos is not only providing new packages, precompiled and optimized packages are nice.
@@LtSich It doesn't because nobody is uploading those drivers. You see the problem? Instead of making their own distro, the community should contribute directly to backports.
One issue is that, as I understand it, a package needs to already exist in Sid or Experimental before it can be backported to Stable. For some reason, they are really slow about adding the new versions of Nvidia drivers. Sid is only slightly ahead of Stable (currently 535.216.01 vs 535.183.01), and even Experimental is only on 545. But to their credit, Debian is actually pretty good about backporting the Linux kernels reasonably quickly. Surprisingly even sooner than Ubuntu usually does. I'd be curious to try building the Nvidia packages myself, but it's hard to find any good documentation or tutorials on the subject.
@@silentJET85 yes, the documentation is not good, and the process is long. I've planned to learn the process, but with something simple, like a font. Then try to publish more complicated things.
Just tried the distro out, pretty cool. As a concept I really love it, Debian is just more comfortable for me than Fedora or even Ubuntu-based. Unfortunately not all the AMD drivers would install and the included version of Steam didn't work somehow (sadly I'm not savvy enough to even capture a log file of what happened let alone diagnose it) and I had to try installing the flatpak version of it... thankfully that seems to work, but my confidence is not very high now. I mean, Steam just working (as well as it ever does) is kind of the starting point for a "gaming distro" IMO. Maybe my experience is isolated (I did install it on a brand new pc granted the hardware itself is a gen old and AFAIK supported on Linux) but for the time being if someone asks me which distro they can ditch windows for and still game on the answer remains Nobara. Definitely easier to get up and running and presumably easier to keep on the edge than vanilla Debian (even something like Linux Mint Debian Edition) though so in that sense the Pika OS team is doing me a service.
J'ai essayé plus d'une cinquantaine de distro différentes avec mon portable et il y a seulement Arch et CachyOS qui fonctionnent comme il faut. C'est la première fois qu'une distro sous Debian fonctionne parfaitement avec Wayland et ma NVidia. Comme tu le mentionne, le seul point négatif pour moi est ReFind, mais je vais sûrement installer Grub prochainement. Merci pour ta vidéo !
_In Portugal, the word pica is a standard term for an injection. However, in Brazilian Portuguese, pica is often used as a comedic term for a man's most personal device._
My issue with PikaOS 4 is I have 3 other drives formatted EXT4 that I use for backup stuff. In PikaOS 4 if I try and mount them and go to one of them I get no icons and a error that it can't access the drive. If I use Gnome-disk-utility to take ownership of those drive, then I can access them. But if I go back to any other distro, I get that error again and have to use gnome-disk to take ownership again. I've never had any other distro do that. I had these drives setup a long time ago and until PikaOS 4 any distro I had tried never had issues with my other drives. Just a pain.
So I'm not the only one. Had similar issues with two external drives. I kept getting mounting errors and files that were inaccessible. Other distros and Windows read them no problem.
Yeah, a good distro, based on Debian ! I didn't want to go to cachyos because of arch, but if I can use a distro based on debian, that's a very good news !
And it’s rolling so the devs will push new features quickly after they came to Debian Sid But the devs will also do some tests to see if the packages are safe to use for users. Best feature is how active the devs are. When there’s an issue they answer super quickly and fix it possibly on the spot.
I still don't understand why a rolling release debian is considered to be better than arch. As far as I understand, debian is not stable because its "Debian" but because it hardly ever changes. A rolling release removes that stability. Similarly Arch is not unstable because its "Arch", its because arch of this minute might be a different arch than a minute earlier or a minute later. At least with arch you have access to AUR and nice manuals. What do you get on rolling debian other than deb support, which sometimes doesn't even work.
Idk if it's even applicable anymore to call one thing better over the other. It's more about usecase and taste. One likes one thing better than the other. They might be right or wrong, but it's still up to themselves. I personally only started Linux a couple months ago and I have installed base Arch before but don't really want to fiddle around with every package depenancy all the time when the time I have with my pc is already very limited. Others have other reasons. For the time being, PikaOS is a nice platform for me that gives me a nice foundation that works really well, but also still basic enough to continue learning. In fact I learned a lot from the dev. One day I will turn over to arch but that day hasn't come yet
@@ardayazar5705 Debian unstable rolls more slowly than Arch in my experience. Stability wise many say even Debian Sid is stabler than Arch but it wasn't my experience. Both have about similar stability issues from time to time. Rolling releases are inherently unstable since there's not enough time to test solidly... and if you QA for say six months then its no longer a rolling release.
Hi, I have a question how those it work if i want to customize distro and if for example i use blender and godot is there gonna be some problems? I know its Debian Sid which has newer things like kde 6 but its still behind and you said if there are some package that were not supported we can use apx but how does it work in practice especially with things i mention above. Im a noob and want to switch my current distro to this one but i cant find answer for my concerns. PS my english is not top tier, thank you for reading.
Sadly no because of their choice of bootloader as reFIND. Debian itself has a MS signed "shim" and supports secure boot but I think refind requires a manual setup to support secure boot.
I was wondering why Pika wasn't booting. Been toying around with Bazzite again. EndeavourOS is giving me fits. I.e. The Finals causes a Wine crash, after loading shaders for an hour. Also on EndeavourOS, an older game such as Parkitect gives me a black screen and then nothing. (Which is native.)
I installed this to try as it had everything I wanted but I panicked as a new user because I kept getting external drive mounting errors and I thought my data got corrupted. Reinstalled Windows just to be sure my files were safe. I do want to try it again though.
I tried it but is seems a bit unstable for me. However as an idea it is more than brilliant. I love Debian but using it as a daily driver is a pain in the ass.
Are there any issues with installing more than one desktop. i.e. installing Gnome on install and adding Hyprland after? Also would like to see better community support other than Reddit or Discord.
The big question for me is also, how is the Wacom tablet support? Because on Cinnamon, it was horrible and terrible. And you cant really setup anything. While on KDE desktop its pretty good and you can setup alot of stuff.
pikman is great, though I do wish nintendo weren't so litigious so it could be called pikmin. Overall I'm pretty happy with this distro, gaming performance is definitely improved from vanilla debian, and access to hyprland is much appreciated. So far I'm glad I installed it. The only issues I have encountered is waking up from being suspended is a bit wonky.
So, instead of using more recent base, more updated base like for example fedora, or even actualy ubuntu since they said they are gona provide latest kernels and drivers nowadays. . . .they picked distro famous for old as f packages, then waste hundreds of man hours to selectively update packages putting you as a user right on the doorstep of potential dependency hell, then use contenerisation and virtualization for extra packages which wastes memory, cpu and in overall performance . . . . all of it for "gaming" ? Sorry, it sounds like an insane waste of dev time and I wonder for how long they will be able to afford repackaging every single piece of s package for "optimization". Unless they have unlimited money somehow or Jeff Bezos backing I dont see them going on it for a long time. Hacking in brand new packs into old Debian base means you are literally 1 not so good package install from nuking your entire system, as it might literally roll back half of your shit to Debian versions. Again, waste of time and dangerous. Use Nobara instead which comes with all gaming and content creation optimization and 0 of cpu wasting BS while based on fairly modern and stable fedora builds.
Tried Pika OS 4. Seemed okay to start with but it suffers from frequent hangs and crashes on really decent hardware. I wouldn't recommend it. Go for CachyOs instead.
I'm on Cachy OS with decent hardware. I like the stability, but bigger games have stuttering issues no matter what I do and I don't really like Arch. My PC also can't get to sleep or hybrid-sleep for some reason. I'm waiting for Pika OS to fix the negatives in this video so I can run it with Ventoy and dual boot it to see if it's better
@SecretlySeven Why would I waste time making a video. It's an OS. I've moved on already. If it can't do the bare minimum and perform as an OS it's not worth spending anymore time on
ofc you can do the same with both of those. but in order to get to the same spot, you have to recompile EVERY package and kernel with O3, LTO and avx2. otherwise you lose 10-20% of the performance those optimizations give you out of the box for free. have fun 👍
Saving time + different distros have different optimizations that might work better on your system. In the end if you are not a tech savvy user that spends whole day testing and looking for how to optimize system even more, just try a gaming distro.
Yeah refind installs something into the Windows EFI partition even on another disk. And deleting all the non-Microsoft files in Windows EFI partition still doesn't make the refind entry go away from UEFI boot list. You need to install a BCD editor like Visual BCD and edit the Windows BCD data to delete refind's stale entry from it before all traces of it go. This is after deleting PikaOS. Grub doesn't write to Windows' BCD... so just deleting the Linux partitions is sufficient to completely remove it.
Best part about this is no GRUB! A lot of us single boot. Don't like seeing the black text screen that doesn't need interacted with on boot. One of my pain points for all Linux has been that text on boot. Just use a visually pleasing splash screen like Windows does. Pika is the closest to looking professionally polished on boot like Windows I've seen so far since switching to Linux.
you can go for 0 sec grub timeout if you really don't want to see that, but having multiple backup points on grub, I opted for 1 second timeout. Long enough when I'm spamming down button, short enough when I just need OS to boot.
you can install a program cli tool called Plymouth that runs full screen animated gifs over the top of all that ugly text. if you then set grub to 0 you would get POST screen > animation > login screen on boot.
You do know that you can use grub 0 sec timeout, and if you dual boot just use uefi bootloader? And the splash screen you are talking about (I assume) is distro based not bootloader based hello??? Like Ubuntu, fedora, open suse splash screen. Jeez dude
Thank you for the review, i will be working on them annoyances when my exams are over
Thanks for your awesome work!
man, i've tried dozens of times days and weeks ago, i couldn't start PikaOS a single time, tried the KDE nvidia version tried starting with normal graphics, tried with safe graphics, all the times boot failed and i fall to initramfs terminal, what am i doing wrong? i've used ventoy, didn't work, i've used a default iso pendrive creator from kde, didn't work, i gave up.
@@DavidCoutinhoCG prob not ur issue if you exclusively use linux, but just in case, one thing that's stumped me many times is if you plug a flash drive into a windows computer it adds a file that fucks up the iso, if you disable the feature that does that or just dont let it do that it'd be fine
@@DavidCoutinhoCG check if you have secure boot turned on in your BIOS, older systems have if off or non existent though. Worked for me when installing BigLinux a week ago, thought ventoy was broken and tried many others but turns out it was secure boot been on that was the issue, and most systems won't give an intuitive error message as to why usb boot failed.
Loving PikaOS atm.
If you feel restricted by immutability of Bazzite, but are afraid of too much freedom in CachyOS, this might be a good option in the middle.
yeah i really do not like the reliance on flatpak with immutable distros. they use more space and create duplicates as well
I would appreciate a comparison between Nobara, CachyOS, PikaOS, aso. : pro and cons, why should i use one over another one. Cause each month a new distro is out, and is fantastic !
Rest of the world: just a regular distro name
Brazilians: 😏😏😏😏
8===> OS
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK it's like having an OS called "CockOS"
gonna try it for sure 😅
it that why the logo is a bird?
@@ShaunaJagan cock means chicken or...?
I would like to see more people contributing to debian-backports. That's the mechanism to have up-to-date packages, but nobody is contributing to that, most people are making their own distros. I know that pikaos is not only providing new packages, precompiled and optimized packages are nice.
backport should include recent drivers, like nvidia-drivers... It was build for that...
@@LtSich It doesn't because nobody is uploading those drivers. You see the problem? Instead of making their own distro, the community should contribute directly to backports.
@@MrAlanCristhian That's a good point.
One issue is that, as I understand it, a package needs to already exist in Sid or Experimental before it can be backported to Stable. For some reason, they are really slow about adding the new versions of Nvidia drivers. Sid is only slightly ahead of Stable (currently 535.216.01 vs 535.183.01), and even Experimental is only on 545.
But to their credit, Debian is actually pretty good about backporting the Linux kernels reasonably quickly. Surprisingly even sooner than Ubuntu usually does.
I'd be curious to try building the Nvidia packages myself, but it's hard to find any good documentation or tutorials on the subject.
@@silentJET85 yes, the documentation is not good, and the process is long. I've planned to learn the process, but with something simple, like a font. Then try to publish more complicated things.
Great review Papa! I love PikaOS and I found it from you and Mattscreative. Many thanks and love
This is the first distro I've honestly had zero issues with. Not one single complaint.
Just tried the distro out, pretty cool. As a concept I really love it, Debian is just more comfortable for me than Fedora or even Ubuntu-based. Unfortunately not all the AMD drivers would install and the included version of Steam didn't work somehow (sadly I'm not savvy enough to even capture a log file of what happened let alone diagnose it) and I had to try installing the flatpak version of it... thankfully that seems to work, but my confidence is not very high now. I mean, Steam just working (as well as it ever does) is kind of the starting point for a "gaming distro" IMO.
Maybe my experience is isolated (I did install it on a brand new pc granted the hardware itself is a gen old and AFAIK supported on Linux) but for the time being if someone asks me which distro they can ditch windows for and still game on the answer remains Nobara. Definitely easier to get up and running and presumably easier to keep on the edge than vanilla Debian (even something like Linux Mint Debian Edition) though so in that sense the Pika OS team is doing me a service.
Thanks for the hint and review, Airmax
I was looking for debian-based "stable" gaming experience.
J'ai essayé plus d'une cinquantaine de distro différentes avec mon portable et il y a seulement Arch et CachyOS qui fonctionnent comme il faut. C'est la première fois qu'une distro sous Debian fonctionne parfaitement avec Wayland et ma NVidia. Comme tu le mentionne, le seul point négatif pour moi est ReFind, mais je vais sûrement installer Grub prochainement. Merci pour ta vidéo !
_In Portugal, the word pica is a standard term for an injection. However, in Brazilian Portuguese, pica is often used as a comedic term for a man's most personal device._
My issue with PikaOS 4 is I have 3 other drives formatted EXT4 that I use for backup stuff. In PikaOS 4 if I try and mount them and go to one of them I get no icons and a error that it can't access the drive. If I use Gnome-disk-utility to take ownership of those drive, then I can access them.
But if I go back to any other distro, I get that error again and have to use gnome-disk to take ownership again.
I've never had any other distro do that. I had these drives setup a long time ago and until PikaOS 4 any distro I had tried never had issues with my other drives. Just a pain.
So I'm not the only one. Had similar issues with two external drives. I kept getting mounting errors and files that were inaccessible. Other distros and Windows read them no problem.
maybe you need to be in a specific group? just wild guess bere, i don't use pika
Use btrfs instead
Yeah, a good distro, based on Debian !
I didn't want to go to cachyos because of arch, but if I can use a distro based on debian, that's a very good news !
And it’s rolling so the devs will push new features quickly after they came to Debian Sid
But the devs will also do some tests to see if the packages are safe to use for users.
Best feature is how active the devs are. When there’s an issue they answer super quickly and fix it possibly on the spot.
@@Maitreya3001 Good to know !
I still don't understand why a rolling release debian is considered to be better than arch. As far as I understand, debian is not stable because its "Debian" but because it hardly ever changes. A rolling release removes that stability. Similarly Arch is not unstable because its "Arch", its because arch of this minute might be a different arch than a minute earlier or a minute later. At least with arch you have access to AUR and nice manuals. What do you get on rolling debian other than deb support, which sometimes doesn't even work.
Idk if it's even applicable anymore to call one thing better over the other. It's more about usecase and taste. One likes one thing better than the other. They might be right or wrong, but it's still up to themselves.
I personally only started Linux a couple months ago and I have installed base Arch before but don't really want to fiddle around with every package depenancy all the time when the time I have with my pc is already very limited. Others have other reasons.
For the time being, PikaOS is a nice platform for me that gives me a nice foundation that works really well, but also still basic enough to continue learning. In fact I learned a lot from the dev.
One day I will turn over to arch but that day hasn't come yet
@@ardayazar5705 Debian unstable rolls more slowly than Arch in my experience. Stability wise many say even Debian Sid is stabler than Arch but it wasn't my experience. Both have about similar stability issues from time to time. Rolling releases are inherently unstable since there's not enough time to test solidly... and if you QA for say six months then its no longer a rolling release.
I was about to try this, but the fact that wants to install in my first NVME is a big no-no for me. Hopefully the devs will change this behavior.
Hi, I have a question how those it work if i want to customize distro and if for example i use blender and godot is there gonna be some problems? I know its Debian Sid which has newer things like kde 6 but its still behind and you said if there are some package that were not supported we can use apx but how does it work in practice especially with things i mention above. Im a noob and want to switch my current distro to this one but i cant find answer for my concerns.
PS my english is not top tier, thank you for reading.
Does PikaOS support Secure Boot?
Sadly no because of their choice of bootloader as reFIND. Debian itself has a MS signed "shim" and supports secure boot but I think refind requires a manual setup to support secure boot.
@@santoshk1983 there are instructions on how to get secure boot working on the wiki and it's quite straightforward, no need to mislead people
I was wondering why Pika wasn't booting. Been toying around with Bazzite again.
EndeavourOS is giving me fits. I.e. The Finals causes a Wine crash, after loading shaders for an hour. Also on EndeavourOS, an older game such as Parkitect gives me a black screen and then nothing. (Which is native.)
Compared with Ubuntu Studio?
I installed this to try as it had everything I wanted but I panicked as a new user because I kept getting external drive mounting errors and I thought my data got corrupted. Reinstalled Windows just to be sure my files were safe. I do want to try it again though.
Hey dude, love your Videos! May I ask if you would make a Video compairing PikaOS with Nitrux? Would be interesting in my optinion
Salut! I don´t do direct comparaison (unfair in my opinion especially with rolling release distro), but I could give a try to Nitrux.
@@A1RM4X then go for it, looking forward to the possible Video 🫡
I tried it but is seems a bit unstable for me. However as an idea it is more than brilliant. I love Debian but using it as a daily driver is a pain in the ass.
Are there any issues with installing more than one desktop. i.e. installing Gnome on install and adding Hyprland after?
Also would like to see better community support other than Reddit or Discord.
nope, none. Though for preference I would install gnome first, then hypr.
hey papa this is one off my favourite distro keep up the great work
hi since you're testing Debian based distro, maybe you can check peppermint too for gaming ofc. Cheers you doing great job.
The name of the first chapter seems a bit odd...
Fixed
The big question for me is also, how is the Wacom tablet support?
Because on Cinnamon, it was horrible and terrible. And you cant really setup anything.
While on KDE desktop its pretty good and you can setup alot of stuff.
Its bootong now fine from Ventoy USB!
pikman is great, though I do wish nintendo weren't so litigious so it could be called pikmin.
Overall I'm pretty happy with this distro, gaming performance is definitely improved from vanilla debian, and access to hyprland is much appreciated. So far I'm glad I installed it.
The only issues I have encountered is waking up from being suspended is a bit wonky.
I got the ISO for this but is not working on my "BOXING" :( I can t test it. Do you have a sugestion? or is bug?
@@diyortestit same , idk what happen
So, instead of using more recent base, more updated base like for example fedora, or even actualy ubuntu since they said they are gona provide latest kernels and drivers nowadays. . . .they picked distro famous for old as f packages, then waste hundreds of man hours to selectively update packages putting you as a user right on the doorstep of potential dependency hell, then use contenerisation and virtualization for extra packages which wastes memory, cpu and in overall performance . . . . all of it for "gaming" ? Sorry, it sounds like an insane waste of dev time and I wonder for how long they will be able to afford repackaging every single piece of s package for "optimization". Unless they have unlimited money somehow or Jeff Bezos backing I dont see them going on it for a long time.
Hacking in brand new packs into old Debian base means you are literally 1 not so good package install from nuking your entire system, as it might literally roll back half of your shit to Debian versions. Again, waste of time and dangerous.
Use Nobara instead which comes with all gaming and content creation optimization and 0 of cpu wasting BS while based on fairly modern and stable fedora builds.
Tried Pika OS 4. Seemed okay to start with but it suffers from frequent hangs and crashes on really decent hardware. I wouldn't recommend it. Go for CachyOs instead.
My experience was quite the opposite, performance was equal or better on my hardware compared to cachy.
I'm on Cachy OS with decent hardware. I like the stability, but bigger games have stuttering issues no matter what I do and I don't really like Arch. My PC also can't get to sleep or hybrid-sleep for some reason. I'm waiting for Pika OS to fix the negatives in this video so I can run it with Ventoy and dual boot it to see if it's better
Receipts? Make a video. Document it. I've been running it since release and have had exactly ZERO issues.
@SecretlySeven Why would I waste time making a video. It's an OS. I've moved on already. If it can't do the bare minimum and perform as an OS it's not worth spending anymore time on
@JasonEspin who hurt you?
Tiens je ne savais pas que Jesse Pinkman c'était mis à Linux.
Tes vidéos sont supers en tous cas !!
I still don't find any good use of these gaming distro for me. What's the point when you can do the same in Linux Mint or Pop OS?
@@Spark_Plug17 gamers moving from Windows
@ltk20352 maybe for a pure gamer user, this could be appealing. Just like console it come pre-configured
ofc you can do the same with both of those. but in order to get to the same spot, you have to recompile EVERY package and kernel with O3, LTO and avx2. otherwise you lose 10-20% of the performance those optimizations give you out of the box for free. have fun 👍
Saving time + different distros have different optimizations that might work better on your system. In the end if you are not a tech savvy user that spends whole day testing and looking for how to optimize system even more, just try a gaming distro.
bazzite or this? i don't really like flatpak but i can deal with it.. it's just i prefer native apps for gaming
Thx🎉
Brazilians can't use it 😂
It doesn't have language options for Brazilians?
@77wolfblade It has. It's just a joke with the OS name, tho
@@e002840I've been trying to translate it lately. My results were meh 😂
Can you give me a quick nudge?
Thx in advance
@@e002840 ah ok
@@77wolfblade Look up the portuguese translation for pika. lol
Because i love debian this could be a distro to chango to from cachy
12:45 same issue i encountered while i wass installing dual boot linux with windows.
Yeah refind installs something into the Windows EFI partition even on another disk. And deleting all the non-Microsoft files in Windows EFI partition still doesn't make the refind entry go away from UEFI boot list. You need to install a BCD editor like Visual BCD and edit the Windows BCD data to delete refind's stale entry from it before all traces of it go. This is after deleting PikaOS. Grub doesn't write to Windows' BCD... so just deleting the Linux partitions is sufficient to completely remove it.
Thanks for the review.
Still too many bugs. They need more time
well, they just cant release it in Brazil with that name 😂
La creme de la creme
What does it mean?
The best of the best
Fedora is still king.
Best part about this is no GRUB! A lot of us single boot. Don't like seeing the black text screen that doesn't need interacted with on boot. One of my pain points for all Linux has been that text on boot. Just use a visually pleasing splash screen like Windows does. Pika is the closest to looking professionally polished on boot like Windows I've seen so far since switching to Linux.
you can go for 0 sec grub timeout if you really don't want to see that, but having multiple backup points on grub, I opted for 1 second timeout. Long enough when I'm spamming down button, short enough when I just need OS to boot.
you can install a program cli tool called Plymouth that runs full screen animated gifs over the top of all that ugly text.
if you then set grub to 0 you would get POST screen > animation > login screen on boot.
You do know that you can use grub 0 sec timeout, and if you dual boot just use uefi bootloader? And the splash screen you are talking about (I assume) is distro based not bootloader based hello??? Like Ubuntu, fedora, open suse splash screen. Jeez dude