TOWING with a LIFTED Truck! Should you?
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another problem with lift kits and larger tires is larger tires will essentially change your differential ratio meaning your engine will need to work harder to tow the same weight. of course you can change your ring and pinion to and if you do tow with a lift probably recommended
Dallas K: Good points! I should have mentioned gear ratio changes. Thanks
Big Truck Big RV Also don't forget you lose about 2-4 mpg depending on tire size so if you care a lot about MPG it might not be worth it.
Dallas K in some cases you can get better ratio like on my 01 I put bigger tires and the truck gets better mpg and tows better
Rear diff's are very important... one caveat to changing your rear diff is also using tire sizes. I have a 95 6.5 with 4.10s which is great for towing but the bad part is it tops out at like 60-63 mph. Once these tires wear out I will be getting slightly bigger tires than stock to help more with top end. I agree though because I also have a lifted s10 with 33's and 3.73s in the rear and its quite horrible.
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hi just come across your channel and this topic, I toe a travel trailer as you call them and ive a 4x4 and its been lifted its got old man emu springs, pro comp shocks giving me a two inch lift and it toes great no problem just a bit of a hard ride when on it's own
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Thanks for verifying what I was concerned about. I'm definitely no expert but safety is my number one concern. We are considering our first 5th wheel and will now be getting a factory spec truck. Thanks for your time and effort in putting this information together.
Everyone just enjoy ur truck, I love seeing different shit on the road. I have a 2012 dodge ram 2500, 6.7, 3.73 with 35s and love it. I tow a 27footer with a 2 inch level kit on the front. Lets ride!
Hello could you possibly do a video on 5th wheel to Gooseneck adapters? Especially how they tow compared to 5th wheel vs Gooseneck vs travel trailer. The only advantage that comes to my mind is if you have a Titan xd and a lightweight 5th wheel, converting the hitch so you could use the factory gn. Thanks
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Good advice
I have a 2010 f150 with a 6inch on 35s. with bumper pull trailers the biggest thing is the power lose from larger tires. other than that it's rather similar to stock towing. Having a tuner and cold air intake helped give me back power
The truck I bought earlier this year is a 07 f250 cc fx4. It has a turn over ball gooseneck hitch. It also has a 4in superlift on it and 37's. Has bilstein shocks. Looks to me like the previous owner towed with the truck quite a bit. I haven't towed with it yet. Only thing I dont like is the 37's, plan to go to 35's.
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I suppose people lift trucks to add larger wheels and tires, which are heavier with more mass to stop. Assuming most people won't spend the money for better performing calipers/pistons, that have much better stopping effectiveness over the OEM brakes, wouldn't braking performance and safety be a major concern? Meaning your safe maximum towing capacity would be reduced, too, over what your truck was designed, calculated/engineered to tow with the stock wheels/tires.
Dr. Mark in Texas probably not as much when not towing, but it's definetly a lot more dangerous while towing
I like my 06 2500 cummins. Its leveled with 35s on it and I can get it just about anywhere I need plus can still pull whatever I want and never have to worry.
Great video
When I get a newer truck hopefully a 2017 F-250 or 350 gas with the FX4 I was going to do a 3-4 inch lift and some BFG KO2's because I do plan on doing some light off-roading on minor trails but also tow a car trailer or a boat occasionally.
Shawn Prickett: 3-4" isn't that aggressive and you should be ok.
We had an excursion with a 4” lift. Airbags. Weight distribution bars. Towed a 30’ WW like a dream
Gonna lift my 2000 F250 V10 4” this spring
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How would you lift a fifth wheel to compensate for a high tow vehicle? Lift blocks?
I have a 2017 Nissan Titan Platinum Reserve, I tow 3250lbs every couple weeks not often. Would a 2-3in lift mess it up? (Bumper tow box trailer 12ft)
Just bought a deck over flatbed with a pintle hitch and my 2000 Chevy 2500 my hitch is 6 maybe 8 inches to low for the trailer to sit level what should I do?
Keep the videos coming!!!!!
You should do some videos on servicing your truck and your fifth wheel.
the most of a lift I'll run in a work truck is 2"-3" at the most!
brian6265 same here
ima lift my truck between 1 - 2 inches. that's all I need as my preference. I still need my truck to pull.
Good Stuff. I added a Rough Country 3.5 in lift that had rear blocks and then added Helwig leaf springs to the rear and worked great.
I'm looking at a 2016 ram 2500, idk how tall the lift is but it has 37x13.50x18 on it now. If I put larger rims that are wider, like maybe some 22x14 super singles would those be better to tow with? Its lifted between 3 and 7 inches in the front.
i hate those adjustable drop hitches. hang to far down and dig into the dirt if u ever go off pavement. and stick out to far, my safety chains were not as long as i liked, i got rid of the adjustable hitch and just bought a traditional 4 inch drop
Seems like all very valid points you made. The more you know. :-)
Tire will sway depending on rim size.
You can supplement your leaf springs with air assisted suspension. A lift kit is really the first purchase of many parts it takes to lift your ride properly.
so a 4in lift with blocks would be okay if your mostly just pull a regular trailer
Noob here to the towing game. I hunt quite a bit and want a bit more capability. So on a 3/4 ton truck would a leveling kit with slightly more aggressive tires cause much of an issue with a 7k trailer?
on the tire size subject one of my coworkers had 38's on 18inch wheels that were also d rated if he had say 20 inch rims which is e rated tires this wouldn't be as big of an issue. but when towing is old toyhauler if he changed lanes as he went over the ruts you could watch the tires walk around under the wheel. also he had the factory 3.73 gears I always told him he would be way happier with 4.10's
higher center of gravity. normally on a bumper hitch your pull point is pretty close to the frame.
what about air lifts???
Instead using Xtra leafs and blocks in the back can I just put air bags? I have a 7 in lift on my 2022 Denali 3500 and am buying a momentum 320g to tow behind what would be the safer way of towing this? S.O.S... Help me out....
I meant what would be the best way to tow this 5th wheel with a 7in lift?
On highways, I would never tow in 4wd mode, and never with a lifted rig. It's a recipe for trouble. I prefer 2wd for towing on highways: easier steering under load. But for off road at very low speed, maybe: but only with a fully articulating hitch [not the usual ball hitch].
Rob Grune most 4wd systems are not designed to run full time. The hard steering while in 4wd drive is due to drive shaft bind caused by there not being a mid differential. On some of the newer higher trim trucks, they are offering 4wd systems that have an awd position that utilizes a mid differential that allow you to run 4wd all time.
The reason you usually see lifted trucks squatted when towing more so than a stock truck is not so much the springs but more so is that most kits lift the front so that its level with the rear instead of the front having rake and sitting a few inches lower in the front like they come from the factory, then leveling out with a trailer. Most of the problems you're talking about can easily be combated with a proper lift kit (which also address driveline angles, and corrects them), traction bars, and tire/ wheel choice. Having towed with my truck on 37in tires, regeared (4.88's), traction bars, 9in of lift, Cognito front end parts, and drop hitch and had zero trouble towing whatever i've needed to tow. But like you said if the only use of the truck is to tow, anything more than a leveling kit is ignorant.
My buddy thought he was getting better MPG with bigger tires, and then remembered that he needed to adjust his speedometer, which effected his odometer. I have also herd in rare cases that bigger tires do improve mileage, I suspect because the gear ratio was really low to start with.
Excellent video and advice! I think the advice would probably be the same, but would you mind doing a video about using a lifted truck and using it with a snow-plow setup? I've seen a lot of advice that has clearly been pulled out of people's butts, and it's irritating when you're trying to find legitimate work arounds, or if it's even possible.
thanks!
The lower the center of gravity and thus the truck the better. I am fining a two wheel drive 3500 working well with my 5th wheel. Also since the rear suspension pickup points are the same duel rear wheels do not help stability on payload capacity.
And the rear axel as close to the back as possible while the connection is as low as possible makes a difference. I noticed this with tractors. And those are the worst examples of floppy tires with unbalanced loads.
also to note as you get your truck up in the air, the longer drop and it is murder on your hitch. Speaking of which if you got an adjustable drop rated for up to 15k with no slop, I am all eyes.
Oh and by the way the silver truck with the topper isn't lifted, it had a hitch that wasn't adjusted correctly and it has airbags.
Dude I had a red lifted ram with a 51 inch lift with 44"s
I grew up with lifted trucks and one thing I can say is my stock 2wd dodge well when it was stock over heated the trans and killed tires towing and I couldnt fit tires with a high enough load rating so a 3inch lift got it a higher tow rating tire is a 01 2500 ram with the Cummins engine and every truck that I have tow with that is stock tows the Same or worse then my pops lifted 2500 GMC 2011 duramax it has a 6" lift except for our 4500 dodge Cummins work truck that wight is 14500 pound witch I have learned wight of the truck make a huge difference that's why I font like that ford is lighting there trucks up what happens when you have a blow out on your trailer the only trucks I trust to have a blow out with a full bump trailer witch the weight of it full is about 12000 pounds is the dodge 4500 work truck and my dads 2011 2500 but my dads truck still is any where as safe as the 4500 dodge
in simpler terms. Once you Lift a truck it becomes a Toy. No buts, it's a toy. Leveling kits work better for work and/or towing with a nicer ground clearance.
so you're saying that cranking up your torsion bars to get it level is ok..hmmmm.
That's what all the people say who can't afford to lift the trailer to match the truck
My truck is lifted 9 inches with 37s and my fith wheel has been lifted 8 inches,she pulls like a dream
Nice
You touched on it in your video but I am curious to see if you have any input on lifting your RV slightly my RV such a little too low for my factory height truck
C Nevs: the best option is to modify the fifth wheels suspension and raise the trailer, which might cause other problems though. it's difficult to truly tow with a lifted truck.
Big Truck Big RV problem is I bought an Eagle HT for my 2500 Duramax. It sits nose high something terrible. Do you have any links?
I just bought a 2015 ram sport quad cab and I love it. My Delma is that two months later we decided to buy a travel trailer as we are both retired now and want to go back east to Ontario and around Alberta to get in some camping and just general traveling. My trailer is 33' long and is 6740 lbs. dry weight and the truck says that with the 5.7 hemi it can tow a max of 10,640lbs. That being said I have been a truck driver in the oil patch for 35 yrs and I am not sure about this set up and whether or not the towing numbers that the truck state are legit. I do know I should have bought a 2500 at the least for the size of trailer but the trailer was an after thought and a deal to hard to turn down.
I'm wondering could this work given the truck being driven by a conscientious and somewhat intelligent ex-truck driver lol. I know that buying this trailer doesn't exactly support the claim of intelligence, either way I would welcome some constructive criticism and your take on this. Thank you.
Darren, it sounds like your setup will be fine, especially if you have a weight distribution hitch. Run the travel trailer across the scales once it is loaded, my bet it will be well below 9,000 lbs. which gives you plenty of capacity to spare.
Thank you for your reply. I am definitely going to take it over the scale when I am loaded and see what the numbers are. Thanks again.
You take a top-heavy vehicle... raise it, which will make it more top-heavy.... then add the towed vehicle (especially top-heavy camper recreational vehicles with large side area and low total weight).... you are asking for being flipped in heavy crosswinds.
I live in Saskatchewan... truck is lifted 9 inches and fifth wheel has 8 inch lift...cross wind is not an issue
@@jeffmcdougall6835 how do you lift a trailer?
@@paulvivier1984 there's a few ways of doing it. Put leafs on top of axles. Shackle lifts or torch off suspension and build a new sub frame and weld suspension to that. That's how I had mine done. Raised it 8 inches. Tows perfectly fine.
@@jeffmcdougall6835 sounds like I just need to lower the truck. Lol.
@@paulvivier1984 it is really not that bad. I paid $1400 to get mine lifted... how big of lift is in your truck?
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Yeah I don't have leaf springs on my Ram 2500
The sheriff's office here puts a leveling kit on their trucks and with bigger tires it adds a good 3 inches above a stock Dodge 1500 pickup.
I've seen trucks with 12 inch lifts tow 5 hours and they did just fine
Yup you have to watch out for those "Netto" tires. I'm just curious how the nose of the trailer being up a couple of inches makes the tongue weight go from 20% to 10%???
smcox1991: Think of it this way. The trailer tires act as the pivot point for the trailers balance. If you tilt the trailer back, the leverage as well as balance is thrown off considerably.
Not really. If your axles were perfectly in the center with equal amounts of weight in front of and behind the axles then maybe but that's not how they're setup. The only way to change the weight that much is you would physically have to put weight on the back of the trailer. I'm not saying pulling with a lifted truck is the best but pulling with a 6" lifted truck isn't going to kill you. As far as the tire flex in the sidewall with a lifted truck it only changes if you keep your 18" wheel and put a 35'" tire, but if you put a 22" wheel with a 35" tire the aspect ratio stays the same as stock. Plus you could put a 12.5"+ wide tire that will give you a better footprint on the ground than a stock truck. IMO towing with a lifted truck can be done just as safe if not safer than a stock truck.
Do you have any videos that talk about towing with a truck that has been lowered?
Air bags are key to towing lowered since you have less suspension travel.But a lot of what he says about leaf springs applies to lowered trucks too.If using a flip kit or shackles on stock leafs you'll be near stock towing minus the travel.Wheres a drop spring takes capacity away but that can be compensated for with bags.The other thing to watch is load capacity on your tires.Its easy to overload them.Other than that lowered trucks tow very nice but can be stiff although I did 300k miles hauling boats(25-35+ft and some oversize) with a lowered dually no problem with nothing more than helper air bags.
well, were is the video of the actual thing?
What about towing with a lowered truck?
I would never lift another truck after my experience it's fun a cool sometimes but it becomes a pain getting in and out,the noise is nuts, turning radius is terrible, special hitches are costly, and the amount of money you spend on tires and outrageous. You also lose Mpg with some HP and TQ numbers not worth It, I lifted my diesel when I was younger now about to become a dad it was a silly choice enough for me to need to buy another truck.
Unless I wanted to off-road a lot. If towing a 5th wheel, usually forget it.
kong3 the clearance is nice but truthfully the wider tires are eh in the snow, but it is however a mud monster
I feel yeah man, I lifted my Ram1500 6 inches and put 35's on it. Ended up just being a money pit, bad gas mileage, had to replace wheel bearings, tie rods, brakes ect. Glad i got rid of it last year.
Would not lift a truck again. Its not worth it.
depends on what you use the truck for...I mean a 2wd truck hauls a trailer down the freeway better then anything. how ever my stock hight 93 cummins has rubed the trans crossmember several times while hunting so a 4 inch lift an 37's is in the works along with gears. but it will still tow my k5 blazer just fine when I need a 4wd towrig. for long trips and heavier trailers I have my 2wd 04 cummins
MrFunnyMonkey Was a cheap lift like Rough country right?
The Diesel Brothers tow trailers with lifted trucks all the time. They never complain or mention any problems.
Those guys are also complete idiots and give the whole lifted and diesel truck industry a bad name. Their builds are half assed and terribly done, also they're usually not using a standard 1-ton or smaller to tow when they do.
I know 100% the have 1 white f350 dually or a f450 that has no lift, I think they towed lynch's stock utv with it
Doesnt mean they are safe
Need help. I have 7.5 lift with 37s. Can I tow a 40ft 5th wheel?
Did you ever find out?
@@paulvivier1984 yes. It will not be level and short drives ok. was told to raise rig and thats not gonna happen. I have seen fords with leveling kit with 37s pulling em. But that will be max...
what about buying a truck to tow it do I want it to have 4 wheel drive or no because I would like my truck to have 4-wheel drive
judd maisel: I always suggest 4wd simply because of being over prepared. The biggest financial reason to buy a 4wd is simply the resale value. Yes, you will have more components that could possible fail, but unlikely as long as the truck isn't being drive too hard. 4WD is the way to go....just try not to tow IN 4wd (if avoidable).
Big Truck Big RV Or use 4wd in situations that you don't need to. As a mechanic I see some stupid stuff. I can't tell you how many people have their trucks in 4wd in the middle of summer.
Alberta Rockies: Agreed. I should have mentioned that also. Thanks bud.
judd maisel Personally I wouldn't buy a truck without 4wd. Even if you only engage it occasionally to get yourself out of a muddy camp site it's well worth it. Also the low range gearing can be handy even in cases where you don't strictly need 4wd.
judd maisel 4wd is nice it does help resale value. But I tend to shy away from 4wd with a manual tranny because they like to spin tires. I can get in more places in a 2WD Auto with proper tires, because I can put it in a low gear and have it crawl. I'm just not coordinated enough to go off-roading in a manual. Also as they mentioned try not to tow in 4wd. If you can't pull the load in 2wd then don't put it in 4wd because it could damage your truck. Those are just my two cents
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Errgh! I heard the line ". . . from a physics perspective . . ." and nothing addressing lift blocks the complete perspective. A taller block increases torsional load on the spring, yes, inducing axle-wrap, a LOT. BUT, it is increased in EVERY direction in a horizontal plane. A panhard bar, or watts link, does control lateral motion. But the increased loads when you add the stress and strain of a trailer, towed in any manner, may cause enough strain to fatigue the leaf to the point of failure when used in conjunction with a large lift block. This usually occurs either at the spot where the block is bolted to the spring, or the spring eye at either end. Doubling the distance between the axle and the spring, by use of a lift block, effectively DOUBLES the force the unsprung weight applies to that spring. Add-a-leafs may increase the strength at the center, but the eyes are the same, and, in fact, are more susceptible to bend/fatigue/breakage due to the decreased twist in the center from the add-a-leaf. Because of this, I would have to say that if you are lifting a leaf spring suspension, and are towing, the best bet is actually use the smallest block, or NONE AT ALL, and have custom leaf springs built by a company like Deaver Springs. You can have a leaf spring built for your towing needs, then, and be extremely safe. In fact, you can many times have a double, "military wrapped" spring eyes, too.
Additionally, there was no mention of FMVSS126. Those standards should also be considered.
the longer wheelbase of a truck isn't ideal for off roading either
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I'm looking @ a 2008 Chevy Suburban 2500 I want to use for hauling a travel trailer gvwr of 8600 lbs, but it has a body lift on it, would that be OK since it's not lifted @ the suspension? Thanks
I see the monster truck trailer all the time
What a 7 inch lift and under
guess i shouldn't tow a toy hauler with my 12" lift on 40" nittos
I wish my truck was that clean and pristine underneath :'(
Good video but couldn't watch past 1:47 due to the road noise. Re-dubbing wouldn't take much, and will make a huge difference.
I would never lift a truck, all these street queens, afraid to let a spec of mud to touch their truck! bunch of panzies man, making us truck guys look bad. they don't use their truck for work, they use it to get there. dammit. my truck still has the stock stance. its just leveled with some nice all terrains. all the power is there and I don't have to tear my ball sack getting in and out
Does the NTHSB have data that supports your opinion on towing with a lifted truck? I see a lot of comments about how unsafe it is tow while lifted but wheres the data to support these theories? I would say the majority of these comments are from people who have never towed with a lifted set-up. Id rather see a lift truck towing within its limited than an non-lifted set up towing far above the recommended weight. I also don't buy the larger tire sidewall flex causes pronounced sway theory. once again opinion, no facts.
Its a matter of what is the main function for the truck. Its good to have a work truck, a towing truck and a mall crawler truck! 3 Trucks, Problem solved.
Why are we towing with our lifted rigs again? I tow my rig to where I want it.
Lifted trucks have a higher center of gravity and are less capable to control a towed trailer.
Just keep a truck stock. It's just fine stock, keeps things alot less confusing and its safer.
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So many people arguing about what truck this what truck that, blah blah blah, just fucking go out and enjoy your truck people. Do whatever you want. Nothing but stupid statements and pointless arguments from keyboard warriors that think they know better than everyone else.