No, it’s authoritarian nonsense. Compliance doesn’t work for bullies. They’ll never stop. Euro 4, then 5, then - they’ll ban electric bikes because of brake and tyre dust or the carbon footprint of something or other. They need to be ignored.
@@Rick-ve5lx Yup.. all for a green (fake) idealogy based on nothing but greed and money. if the whole 'green' movement didnt make them alot of money it wouldnt exist. And meanwhile they can take everything away from us and make us return to the stone ages. All to please the climate gods
Gasoline engines by 2040 will be even cleaner and efficient than they are now. Most motorcycles will do 60 to 100 miles to the gallon. They should be looking at vehicles with 4 wheels +. That's where most of the emissions come from. People driving landrovers to pick the kids up from school. Unless it's a work vehicle, tax on large displacement vehicles needs to be much higher.
Holding onto your petrol bike isn’t going to work if there’s nowhere to buy petrol. It’s not going to happen anyway. Electric cars have been a disaster for too many reasons to list.
The Prohibition period in USA was to stop people brewing their own alcohol which they did not to drink but to put it in their vehicles and as fuel prices were so very high. So their Govt puppet-master JDR0CK-E-BL0K£ got the Govt to create Prohibition.
EV motorbikes - would you want your legs wrapped around a L!TH!UM T!M£80MB that could blow at any time and in doing so removing your legs, your testies and your man sausage ?
Nah there is no way!?! As things stand petrol bikes produce much less pollution than the lowest of low end petrol hatchbacks and that is for Litre bikes. For lower CC models which 75% of biker have the carbon footprint is negligible. They should be encouraging people to ride bikes for less pollution. our poor UK is run by imbeciles. If this does go though i will move countries
I don;t agree with you on the level of pollution from litre plus bikes. Small 4 strokes yes. But I can't see any logic to not banning all ICE vehicles as soon as is practicable. I doubt you will find a country worth moving to, which will not be banning ICE motorbikes in the next 15-20 years. You will still be able to own and ride an ICE powered motorbike after 2040 in the UK.
If they stop making petroleum powered 50cc to 125cc bikes first then surely that’s the start of the end of new motorcyclist coming through to ride the bigger petrol powered engines 😮
Reform need to get over 326seats to attempt to form Govt. 6 at the most if lucky. They will never have to govern so they can promise you anything. Use some critical thinking.
Don't see it happening by 2040 as petrol companies won't want to give up their cash plus mag will have alot to say about it because the politicians tried this about ten years ago now and it didn't happen because of mag and the petrol companies saying in no uncertain terms jogg on
I will be 76 when this might happen. ( if I’m still around ) It’s a while off and you never know just what advances will have been made…… or as a result of some madness we could all be living in caves in an apocalyptic world. Who knows. ….
Part of biking is the gear changing, the smell, the interaction with the bike is currently fun. Electric twist and go, fast but boring. No great sounding pipe either. I enjoyed the years before speed cameras, what great days they were.
In the end, this will all depend on the availability and accessibility of EV motorcycle, if it is going to be expensive and there is no product available, then that Green initiative goal is a pipe dream. If every other EV self combust on its own, you are creating more problems for the environment.
@@marcbrasse747 Yeah, and not necessarily for the worse. We should be more worried about being able to ride bikes at all and being able to maintain and modify them ourselves in the future, than where their energy comes from.
Eventually, you'll start shilling for electric bikes and saying things like "honestly I'm loving these ICE bikes" and none of us will believe you.. you'll need to keep working, so we'll just all pretend together..
In 16 years I'll be 72, got ride of my Susuki VX800 and held onto my 2009 Vespa GTS 300, looks like I'll be pottering about on that until I can't anymore.
I wonder why government is picking on motorcycles? Surely to save the planet bans on high powered petrol guzzling cars should be brought in first? Or is government worried about certain demographics being forced into smaller and more fuel efficient cars?
It's cheap and efficient for individuals to travel. They want people stuck in small areas, unable to leave or move around easily without government controlling who goes where and when.
The ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars comes into force in 2035, so they are acting against cars first. Petrol bikes will be around for decades after 2040 if you still want one and petrol will be available also as it will take decades for the millions of petrol cars to reach the end of their useful life. By 2050 electric motorbikes will in all probability be way better than anything petrol powered we have now. Chill enjoy your bike now and into the future.
@@nickwinn7812 the biggest problem is copper for production of batteries and the upgrade of power network to make it all happen. Been studies done on copper mines .then the issue of lithium which requires hundreds of tonnes of earth to be moved for such small amounts from what I understand
@@RideFree317 So tell me - how much copper is there in a typical EV battery? How does this compare to the wiring in your computer for example? Give me facts. "been studies on copper mines" - so? Hundreds of tonnes of earth have to be removed "for such small amounts" [of lithium]. How many tons of earth are removed to recover the small amounts of any of the elements used in the electronics of your phone, your computer, the electronics in your car's ECU? do you know ? do you care? Is this a problem when it's for EV's but otherwise it's OK???? Bring some facts to the table and then we can talk about it like grown-ups.
I have to be honest as someone who is an advocate for changes to fight climate change, this community is not effectively combating this potential change. Carbon emissions as a result of the majority of personal vehicles, especially motorcycles are significantly dwarfed by emissions by the top 10% of earners internationally. It is the same in aerospace industry etc... this is an ineffective policy which is just going to result in the erosion of forests in the global south to source rare earth elements for electric vehicles. The community should definitely be fighting this. Net zero makes sense but this does not just look at the mpg for a motorcycle
Never mind the top 10%; the emissions outputted by the .1% (limited to just a few hundred families worldwide) dwarfs the bottom 40% of the population. Rather than do hard things first, we could just cap the number of private jets trips to, say, half of what they are now...and that'd probably have many times the effect of having every single motorcycle in the world follow emissions. There's so many fast and easy ways to climate change, but so long as the rich can continue to buy their way out of public systems (ie private schools, private jets, private medical care, private accountants, basically private systems with public emissions) then emissions will still be tremendous.
STOP STOP STOP, Electric transport is not the answer. They are not able tobe recycled, the recourses needed are finite. Why aren't we talking Hydrogen power. Question, why does electric power come from
True but electrically powered vehicles are already on third less polluting because the inefficiency of a petrol engine is avoided. The next step is to make sure the electricity comes from more sustainable sources. Hydrogen is not a true solution because it costs a lot of energy to produce it in enough quantities. Furthermore, cheaper recyclable batteries made out of less polluting substances are already being produced. Whatever people’s instincts are: in the end the science is indisputable.
That's just a lie. Electric vehicles are just a recyclable as ICE vehicles. The resources need to produce them are no more finite than those for ICE vehicles. Hydrogen is the smallest molecule in the universe and therefore extremely difficult to distribute and store, as well as be way lower in energy density than petrol. THAT's why we aren't talking hydrogen power (at least not in the rational, informed world we're not).
I welcome new technology. 2040 is very far away so I hope viable and good bike offers will come. It is hard to believe we'll be able to live without petrol vehicles in this timeframe. I wonder what regulations would mean for old/existing petrol bikes. Are people really expected to just dispose of them? That would be insane and I expect huge pushbacks all over the world from owners.
It's a "win" for ICE-producing motorcycle companies and, of course, oil companies. 2040 is a long time away; a child born in 2024 can feasibly be taking or in college by the time this ban on ICE motorcycles takes effect. Meanwhile, there's quite a number of paths of changing or defeating this bill so it's no longer effective, but only one path of success for the bill to survive intact all the way to 2040. Call it what it is; a very successful delaying tactic that puts off actually changing power plants for an entire generation's time.
So, anyone buying a petrol bike in the late 2030s could expect to be still riding it in the 2090s if they look after it. I don't see anything to fear in this.
The last of the petrol bikes will be disgustingly expensive and in short supply. They will sell out in a matter of minutes. As quick as you can make the payment. Electric bikes will be incredible by 2035.
So glad I am old enough to remember no speed cameras no speed bumps no restrictions on where when and how I choose to travel also no helmets no breathalizer no 20mph zones no f*** green party nuts ...2040 I will be 80 the gods only know how l lived this long .....oh yea and we all had cheap ride anything insurance ! You get who you vote for ... enjoy 😄
Everyone relax. There will be hydrogen combustion engines by then and the infrastructure will be in place. Then you get the best of both worlds. Quick and easy fill up, gears and noise, but also environmentally much cleaner. Hydrogen power is thr future of motoring, it's just in it's early days.
The problems with electric motorbike they are too expensive and it is not a proper motorbike, where is the fun of driving through a surface station to about to plug it in to find out some old lady use it for parking or the charger point is broken, then what you going to do then? a motorcycle should be the right price to buy new not chopping your arms off to get a new motorbike, it needs to be comfortable for 2 but unfortunately some manufacturers forget the back seat when making a new ugly electric bike, also will it still look cool with top box and side box, a new electric motorbikes will be just complete annoyance if planning a long road trip and will it catch on fire like some electric cars all ready there is a lot to think about, for me who used my motorbike every day throughout the year everyday rider the electric motorbike is just a big disappointment it just missing to Meany things that a good bike should be they need to go back in time were motorbike meant something so until that day comes I will be keeping my petrol motorbike. Thank for reading.
As more and more electric vehicles are on the road, fuel prices will rise! And the government will tax it more! (To force you to change) Can you imagine how much a gallon will cost? Most people won't be able to afford it anymore!
I think it will be £50 a gallon in the future. People who can afford to have an ice vehicle then will just pay so they can tak3 the bike or car out on a sunday
People always colour the subject too negatively. A ban for new bikes doesn’t mean the old ones are taken off the road. Furthermore new battery technology is being developed speedily. And if you want more noise you simply put a playing card between the spokes. 😁What I will personally miss is shifting gears, although 2 speed transmission will probably come back for “autobahn” use.
Yeah good luck on that. Typical politicians who are not interested in the better good, just more money in their pockets.
It’s a simple solution, vote for a government who doesn’t ban ICE engines.
Vote reform. Remember, we are being FORCED off our bikes. Never EVER give up the right to ride the bike of your CHOICE.
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LMFAO it thinks voting works
If voting doesn't work, America will send you lots of guns for free.
@@Ukmongoose3 Yep, reform for me. They will stop this net zero crap too.
Heres an idea, why dont we fight this
Just glad I lived in that maverick era of 2 strokes. Ahh! That smell of Castrol R. 😊 Sorry Greta.
Only in uk one of the cleanest countries in the world, while everyone else carries on enjoying themselves
Come on guys... we can't have this !!!
No, it’s authoritarian nonsense. Compliance doesn’t work for bullies. They’ll never stop. Euro 4, then 5, then - they’ll ban electric bikes because of brake and tyre dust or the carbon footprint of something or other.
They need to be ignored.
@@Rick-ve5lx Yup.. all for a green (fake) idealogy based on nothing but greed and money. if the whole 'green' movement didnt make them alot of money it wouldnt exist. And meanwhile they can take everything away from us and make us return to the stone ages. All to please the climate gods
The UK is completely fkd if this is brought into law..
It's to stop people's free movement control control control
You'll OWN NOTHING, You'll GO NOWHERE, You'll EAT ZE BUGS and You'll BE HAPPY (yeah right old sausage and $chw4b)
Net zero is a impossible ideology 😂
It is actually a bad idea. They want to reduce cheap energy so that poor people suffer and rely on government
Then I will buy some ice bikes in advance which will last until I stop riding
Gasoline engines by 2040 will be even cleaner and efficient than they are now. Most motorcycles will do 60 to 100 miles to the gallon.
They should be looking at vehicles with 4 wheels +. That's where most of the emissions come from.
People driving landrovers to pick the kids up from school.
Unless it's a work vehicle, tax on large displacement vehicles needs to be much higher.
They would if the manufacturers were allowed
Holding onto your petrol bike isn’t going to work if there’s nowhere to buy petrol.
It’s not going to happen anyway. Electric cars have been a disaster for too many reasons to list.
The Prohibition period in USA was to stop people brewing their own alcohol which they did not to drink but to put it in their vehicles and as fuel prices were so very high. So their Govt puppet-master JDR0CK-E-BL0K£ got the Govt to create Prohibition.
EV motorbikes - would you want your legs wrapped around a L!TH!UM T!M£80MB that could blow at any time and in doing so removing your legs, your testies and your man sausage ?
Stock up on classic 90s bikes while they've cheaper
never accept stupidity . dont just think about your self .
Nah there is no way!?! As things stand petrol bikes produce much less pollution than the lowest of low end petrol hatchbacks and that is for Litre bikes. For lower CC models which 75% of biker have the carbon footprint is negligible.
They should be encouraging people to ride bikes for less pollution.
our poor UK is run by imbeciles. If this does go though i will move countries
I don;t agree with you on the level of pollution from litre plus bikes. Small 4 strokes yes. But I can't see any logic to not banning all ICE vehicles as soon as is practicable.
I doubt you will find a country worth moving to, which will not be banning ICE motorbikes in the next 15-20 years.
You will still be able to own and ride an ICE powered motorbike after 2040 in the UK.
All vehicles will be speed limited as well.
If they stop making petroleum powered 50cc to 125cc bikes first then surely that’s the start of the end of new motorcyclist coming through to ride the bigger petrol powered engines 😮
That's the plan sadly
Vote for Reform and this will never happen.
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Reform need to get over 326seats to attempt to form Govt. 6 at the most if lucky.
They will never have to govern so they can promise you anything. Use some critical thinking.
Ok I'm going to say it... if you want net zero scrapped... Vote Reform .. got to give them ago..just use oil...
Don't see it happening by 2040 as petrol companies won't want to give up their cash plus mag will have alot to say about it because the politicians tried this about ten years ago now and it didn't happen because of mag and the petrol companies saying in no uncertain terms jogg on
I will be 76 when this might happen. ( if I’m still around ) It’s a while off and you never know just what advances will have been made…… or as a result of some madness we could all be living in caves in an apocalyptic world. Who knows. ….
i am 75 now so they can get stuffed .
In 2040 the price of spare parts/engine rebuilds/bike consumables will go sky high.
Building a stock would be a nice idea.
Part of biking is the gear changing, the smell, the interaction with the bike is currently fun. Electric twist and go, fast but boring. No great sounding pipe either. I enjoyed the years before speed cameras, what great days they were.
Looks like no one gets a choice.....just told....😢... electric.....sad or dictatorship...
For the sound, they add could tech to simulate the sound of a particular engine (similar to guitar amps).
Already suggested it elsewhere. Simply put a playing card between the spokes. 😁
They have already done that in the car world. They could give you a selection of sounds to choose from.
It's going to be a matter of cost. Cost of battery bikes, cost of petral, cost of "classic" petrol bikes, insuranc, etc
In the end, this will all depend on the availability and accessibility of EV motorcycle, if it is going to be expensive and there is no product available, then that Green initiative goal is a pipe dream. If every other EV self combust on its own, you are creating more problems for the environment.
Tropes. Better have a look at the facts. Things are already changing.
Ev is garbage and generally relies on slave labor.
They will make long distance travel on personal vehicles impossible
@@marcbrasse747 Yeah, and not necessarily for the worse.
We should be more worried about being able to ride bikes at all and being able to maintain and modify them ourselves in the future, than where their energy comes from.
@@nickwinn7812 exactly! 👍
Eventually, you'll start shilling for electric bikes and saying things like "honestly I'm loving these ICE bikes" and none of us will believe you.. you'll need to keep working, so we'll just all pretend together..
In 16 years I'll be 72, got ride of my Susuki VX800 and held onto my 2009 Vespa GTS 300, looks like I'll be pottering about on that until I can't anymore.
I wonder why government is picking on motorcycles? Surely to save the planet bans on high powered petrol guzzling cars should be brought in first? Or is government worried about certain demographics being forced into smaller and more fuel efficient cars?
It's cheap and efficient for individuals to travel. They want people stuck in small areas, unable to leave or move around easily without government controlling who goes where and when.
The ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars comes into force in 2035, so they are acting against cars first. Petrol bikes will be around for decades after 2040 if you still want one and petrol will be available also as it will take decades for the millions of petrol cars to reach the end of their useful life. By 2050 electric motorbikes will in all probability be way better than anything petrol powered we have now. Chill enjoy your bike now and into the future.
@@nickwinn7812 the biggest problem is copper for production of batteries and the upgrade of power network to make it all happen. Been studies done on copper mines .then the issue of lithium which requires hundreds of tonnes of earth to be moved for such small amounts from what I understand
@@RideFree317 So tell me - how much copper is there in a typical EV battery? How does this compare to the wiring in your computer for example? Give me facts. "been studies on copper mines" - so?
Hundreds of tonnes of earth have to be removed "for such small amounts" [of lithium]. How many tons of earth are removed to recover the small amounts of any of the elements used in the electronics of your phone, your computer, the electronics in your car's ECU? do you know ? do you care? Is this a problem when it's for EV's but otherwise it's OK????
Bring some facts to the table and then we can talk about it like grown-ups.
I have to be honest as someone who is an advocate for changes to fight climate change, this community is not effectively combating this potential change. Carbon emissions as a result of the majority of personal vehicles, especially motorcycles are significantly dwarfed by emissions by the top 10% of earners internationally. It is the same in aerospace industry etc... this is an ineffective policy which is just going to result in the erosion of forests in the global south to source rare earth elements for electric vehicles. The community should definitely be fighting this.
Net zero makes sense but this does not just look at the mpg for a motorcycle
Never mind the top 10%; the emissions outputted by the .1% (limited to just a few hundred families worldwide) dwarfs the bottom 40% of the population. Rather than do hard things first, we could just cap the number of private jets trips to, say, half of what they are now...and that'd probably have many times the effect of having every single motorcycle in the world follow emissions.
There's so many fast and easy ways to climate change, but so long as the rich can continue to buy their way out of public systems (ie private schools, private jets, private medical care, private accountants, basically private systems with public emissions) then emissions will still be tremendous.
i find it sad it all coming to a end
In politics a lot can happen in a week.
A hell of a lot can change in 16 years.
Not to say that this is good news.
It would be the end of a whole industry. Few want a hair dryer in place of a combustion engine.
Few wanted I.C.E s in place of horses and carts. Things change.
@@jackn4853 Well, lets hope it does not happen any time soon. Saying that when Labour get in we may well all be travelling by horse and cart again!!
STOP STOP STOP, Electric transport is not the answer.
They are not able tobe recycled, the recourses needed are finite.
Why aren't we talking Hydrogen power.
Question, why does electric power come from
True but electrically powered vehicles are already on third less polluting because the inefficiency of a petrol engine is avoided. The next step is to make sure the electricity comes from more sustainable sources. Hydrogen is not a true solution because it costs a lot of energy to produce it in enough quantities. Furthermore, cheaper recyclable batteries made out of less polluting substances are already being produced. Whatever people’s instincts are: in the end the science is indisputable.
That's just a lie. Electric vehicles are just a recyclable as ICE vehicles.
The resources need to produce them are no more finite than those for ICE vehicles.
Hydrogen is the smallest molecule in the universe and therefore extremely difficult to distribute and store, as well as be way lower in energy density than petrol. THAT's why we aren't talking hydrogen power (at least not in the rational, informed world we're not).
I welcome new technology. 2040 is very far away so I hope viable and good bike offers will come. It is hard to believe we'll be able to live without petrol vehicles in this timeframe. I wonder what regulations would mean for old/existing petrol bikes. Are people really expected to just dispose of them? That would be insane and I expect huge pushbacks all over the world from owners.
No-one is proposing a ban on the use of ICE bikes from 2040, only the sale of new ones.
It's a "win" for ICE-producing motorcycle companies and, of course, oil companies. 2040 is a long time away; a child born in 2024 can feasibly be taking or in college by the time this ban on ICE motorcycles takes effect. Meanwhile, there's quite a number of paths of changing or defeating this bill so it's no longer effective, but only one path of success for the bill to survive intact all the way to 2040.
Call it what it is; a very successful delaying tactic that puts off actually changing power plants for an entire generation's time.
In 2040 we all be 16 years older. There are few political issues that have such a huge timeframe, and motorcycles are certainly not one of them.
Mhmm. Not happening. Tt600, st1100,xbrxx, zx14, sp2 v4, h2.
I will be 88 Y.O. by 2040 so I won;t worry too much. My bikes are historic from the 1960s.
So, anyone buying a petrol bike in the late 2030s could expect to be still riding it in the 2090s if they look after it. I don't see anything to fear in this.
ok,we will still have the used...until they ll brake...we will be old.so,in 2040 i ll buy three japan bikes and i ll be fine
So the isle of mann TT????
Keep taking it Brit’s instead of dishing it out
The last of the petrol bikes will be disgustingly expensive and in short supply. They will sell out in a matter of minutes. As quick as you can make the payment. Electric bikes will be incredible by 2035.
Net zero is an impossibility. Please get this into your head.
So glad I am old enough to remember no speed cameras no speed bumps no restrictions on where when and how I choose to travel also no helmets no breathalizer no 20mph zones no f*** green party nuts ...2040 I will be 80 the gods only know how l lived this long .....oh yea and we all had cheap ride anything insurance ! You get who you vote for ... enjoy 😄
vote reform no ban
Everyone relax. There will be hydrogen combustion engines by then and the infrastructure will be in place. Then you get the best of both worlds. Quick and easy fill up, gears and noise, but also environmentally much cleaner. Hydrogen power is thr future of motoring, it's just in it's early days.
It will be Maaaddd. Mmmaaaaxxxxxxxxx.
The problems with electric motorbike they are too expensive and it is not a proper motorbike, where is the fun of driving through a surface station to about to plug it in to find out some old lady use it for parking or the charger point is broken, then what you going to do then? a motorcycle should be the right price to buy new not chopping your arms off to get a new motorbike, it needs to be comfortable for 2 but unfortunately some manufacturers forget the back seat when making a new ugly electric bike, also will it still look cool with top box and side box, a new electric motorbikes will be just complete annoyance if planning a long road trip and will it catch on fire like some electric cars all ready there is a lot to think about, for me who used my motorbike every day throughout the year everyday rider the electric motorbike is just a big disappointment it just missing to Meany things that a good bike should be they need to go back in time were motorbike meant something so until that day comes I will be keeping my petrol motorbike.
Thank for reading.
Vote reform.
Love, America
As more and more electric vehicles are on the road, fuel prices will rise! And the government will tax it more! (To force you to change)
Can you imagine how much a gallon will cost? Most people won't be able to afford it anymore!
I think it will be £50 a gallon in the future. People who can afford to have an ice vehicle then will just pay so they can tak3 the bike or car out on a sunday
Buy 3 bikes.
I have 9.
I'm 65 so ill probably be dead by then, so I don't care 😛
I plan on my bike I have now being the last bike I ever buy anyway
People always colour the subject too negatively. A ban for new bikes doesn’t mean the old ones are taken off the road. Furthermore new battery technology is being developed speedily. And if you want more noise you simply put a playing card between the spokes. 😁What I will personally miss is shifting gears, although 2 speed transmission will probably come back for “autobahn” use.
They are already doing it in Canada by making it illegal to repair cars that have been in an accident. No parts means no go.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 propaganda in he'll..
It should have been 30 years ago to avoid catastrophic climate change .
Vote Reform UK. They will become a force.