Seyyed Hossein Nasr - Does God Make Sense?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- How can we know whether God really exists, if we do not know what God really is? Diverse religions offer diverse views of what God is supposed to be and do. Consider God's essence and nature, attributes and traits. Do these work together? Do they complement or contradict? Does the totality of what God is supposed to be and do ring true? Are surprises in store?
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Seyyed Hossein Nasr is an Iranian University Professor of Islamic studies at George Washington University, and a prominent Islamic philosopher.
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The best thing about this episode is reading all the comments. Very entertaining 🙂
Yes, sure. Omg, what a plonker
I agree. In fact sometimes you can find just as much or more philosophical depth or further information related to topic.👍
My dog also put out a paper. 🐶🗞💦
Totally excellent!
Add him to our think tank for when we start our meetings.
What was the question…?
I want more of Sayyed Hossein Nasr
Thank you so much for introducing the exceptional ideas from Iranian wise persons and philosophers to the one-dimensional world...! 🙏👌
True
Excellent academic
Can CTT invite Graham Oppy to speak here?
I will never understand judgment upon us when God is all knowing and “he” should already know how we will act before we were even born.
If god is all knowing then no free will. No sin. There are too many discrepancies and conveniences to believe a god exists.
Because God is Omnicapricious
Yep, the judgement is just the judging of humans by humans. If a universal entity takes a special interest in us (after not being interested for the first 4.5 billion years of the Earth's history) that would be bizarre. God would then be like a psychopathic microbiologist who observes bacteria and applies antibiotics to any cells deemed to be bad microbes.
@@AlmostEthical Of course, we actually do that to "bad" bacteria when it disturbs our province. And presumably everything is God's province.
@@cosminvisan520 So is that to which you respond
Only if a logical IMPOSSIBILITY is sensible. 🤫
Logic is highly overrated... smiles.
*"Only if a logical IMPOSSIBILITY is sensible."*
... The construct of God is absolutely not logically impossible. There are no logical barriers attached to the construct of God like there is with a square-circle, a married-bachelor, and a 10-cent-quarter. That doesn't mean that God necessarily exists; only that the existence of God is logically possible.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC whats the need for a living being when god would know the outcome of everything. Also why is there a ridiculous amount of space and matter without living Conscious beings everywhere.
I just consider everything to be a complex form of nothing which doesn't violate the bed rock of nothingness.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC whats the need for a living being when god would know the outcome of everything. Also why is there a ridiculous amount of space and matter without living Conscious beings everywhere.
I just consider everything to be a complex form of nothing which doesn't violate the bed rock of nothingness.
@@ManiBalajiC *"whats the need for a living being when god would know the outcome of everything. Also why is there a ridiculous amount of space and matter without living Conscious beings everywhere. "*
... All of which can be simply answered, _"Because God chose to do so."_ Again, this doesn't mean theism's God necessarily exists - only that there are no logical barriers that negate the existence of God.
*"I just consider everything to be a complex form of nothing which doesn't violate the bed rock of nothingness."*
... "Nothing" (Nonexistence) is inconceivable without its antithesis known as "Everything" (Existence). You must have _something_ to comprehend _nothing_ and vice-versa. "Nothing" is totally void of any and all properties, so it is logically impossible to have a _"complex form of nothing."_
Here's a video that better explains my argument: ruclips.net/video/wFFdsxGpc_k/видео.html
I ask myself this every day... God knows what the answer is 🤔
There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝🏼
There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity.🤓
It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God who created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
people live by God's free will sovereignty
Seyyed Hossein Nasr's references to Being struck a chord with me, sent a shiver down my spine. I take an agnostic view on the God question, not unlike Buddhists, and quite object to the simplistic creation narratives of, for example, Judeo-Christianity. However, I wonder if we can bridge the gap where he says, at 5:51 - "We have to undo the cosmogonic process [...] to unbecome." I would have liked Seyyed Hossein Nasr to elaborate more on this.
My own take, in the spirit of maintaining scientific rigor, is that we must address that state that hypothetically exists before there is a god. That is, the quantum void. The void must precede any kind of existence, and there already exists evidence for a creative quantum void, with its virtual particles and all that. This is the slant that Fritjof Capra takes in The Tao of Physics.
Factor in cube root reduction that at subatomic scales removes classical Newtonian parameters from particle properties, and we enter a perhaps semiotic domain (e.g., the semiotic theory of Charles Sanders Peirce), where particles are open to having their properties defined by the contexts in which they find themselves. In other words, particles are also subject to their own laws of Being. This is where the Feynman diagrams might become especially interesting.
Addressing what's taking place in the "creative quantum void" and taking a rigorous scientific approach to it, could be the key to unifying science with religion. The god question is not one that science should concern itself with, in the first instance.
You waste a lot of electrons, 0/1's
@TheTroofSayer I want to share with you two video posted on YT, please watch them.
It is different person however same incident reported.
Again No third person or middle man in this story between a believer and God, enjoy watching.
Video titled on YT is "AFTER COMBAT - THE STORY OF A MARINE'S CONVERSION TO ISLAM".
that issue of so called 'creative' quantum vacuum already been addressed by philosophers!
No offense, but what I understand from your post is that, you are assuming 'quantum vacuum' as 'absolute nothingness' in the philosophical sense from which particles just pops into existence.
@@keithrelyea7997 Electrons are cheap. And for an audience as wide, passionate and varied as CTT's, they are electrons well spent.
Can we have Prof Brian Greene at some point?
@@cosminvisan520 Why not?
@@cosminvisan520 get a life bro
@@cosminvisan520 Whatever you're smoking, i suggest you quit it
@@alexanderabrashev1366 It's called projection. Cosmin Visan only thinks of sex, can't get enough of what he wants. So he walks around projecting that on everyone. He is suffering. He can't get a girlfriend.
All that matters is the complete lack of evidence for any religion. All philosophical arguments are subsumed by religious criticism.
Krótkie rozmowy, które osłuchuje ze skupieniem, wsłuchuje się z wielkim przejęciem i zainteresowaniem ... tak samo, gdy Pan miał cykl opowieści o Chinach ... niosą w sobie, tyleż wartościowych przesłań ... tresci... Melodia mi się przypomniała ... kim, czym Jest i co daje ... ruclips.net/video/4A3NqfV994k/видео.html
Thanks. It’s lunch time, and I needed this word salad.
🍨here is some ice cream, for dessert
That's just what I thought.
You should be a guest on the show. You seem like a real genius.
' Small minds discuss people, Average minds discuss events, Great minds discuss ideas' [E. Roosevelt]:
And ideas are being discussed here, since you are more interested in lunch than why you require food to sustain yourself - you fall in the middle category. SO I don't think you are in a requisite knowledgeable position to criticize anyone, because I am sure many people in audience understood what he was conveying.
@@cosminvisan520 I am talking about people only. Discussions are always between people.
Only when he's had his Meds.
God's existence is a scientific question. Do you know basic physics such as how stars work?
@@20july1944 God's existence is a philosophical question!
@@anteodedi8937 Not the way I approach it: if we can't find a scientific explanation for the universe, God is obviously on par with any other explanation.
That's why I through the science first, most atheists are confident science weakens the "God" possibility.
@@20july1944 You are totally wrong. Theism, atheism are metaphysical positions.
@@anteodedi8937 No, they're truth claims that can be approached (although not decided definitively) by science.
In a random chance universe, does it make sense to ask if things make sense? Oh snap! Yeah...
❤
Please do an episode where you ask pagans about their gods. "How is Thor the Thunderer?" "Does Odin have a choice about Ragnarok?"
I worship the god Bestat my cat.
@@jeffamos9854 My dog Ginger can beat your cat. If you are dyslexic you will have realized that god is dog backwards.
😂 This is the best!!
🤣
Lol, so triggered by the very mention of God in a show
As mother of 2, I'm an expert in Santa Claus...
I liked the writer O. Henry.
Come over and teach me about Santa 😏
don't do it sindibadage, he just wants a ho ho ho
Lol that's hilarious thank you😂
Lets face it, human beings will never understand existence any more than a worm can comprehend calculus. This interview and so many others with renowned scientists, philosophers and theologians prove we have made zero progress on this question since the ancient Greeks.
Now we have more complicated ways of saying "I don't know"
Beyond Jackanory Time.
I think a better question is not weather God makes sense, but does life makes sense without God ? And this nature can’t be known by language, because language is only for what you cant experience. Saying red and seeing red are two entirely different things for example. The closest I could get to describing the nature of a God would be the subjective feeling of the extension of the self . The Plasticity of the existential spirit
What???
I've also had it described as feeling like the best motorcycle ride ever.
@@TimBitts649 yea. Certain people have a feeling of being in connection with God. I think maybe the purpose on earth is for them to deal with people who don’t have the feeling , then we all rotate and take turns
@@MrSanford65 That's a good answer, thanks. ✅
I'll say it in a simpler manner:
Your "God" is not real, lol
It would not make sense for God to have been in existence for trillions of years, but not starting their creative works until only 14 billion years ago.
The VERY same problem exists for any non-God explanation; why did any natural process begin 14 billion years ago and not infinitely earlier?
And be born in a manger surronded by donkey's to be killed for our "sins" you got to be kidding!!
@@20july1944 Now you are getting my point the only thing that makes sense the doctrine featured in the Latter-Day Saint hymn "If you could hide to Kolob" composed by William W Phelps ... inspired by his experience acting as scribe during Joseph Smith's translation of The Book of Moses. The hymn celebrates the eternal existence of God, Matter, and Spirit .... without beginning or end. Joseph Smith taught that anything less than that (a nd 15 billion years is infinitely less) is a "contracted view" promulgated by apostate religion and primitive
... natural science in its naive infancy.
@@cosminvisan520 -.-
Good, but at minute five not so correct or complete vision or understanding of the indian entity Atman, as Seyyed Hossein just speaks from an Advaitic point of view. He forgets the Dwaita tradition, where there is an individual Atman in each one of us...
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Very deep and beautiful, he explains or describes the GOD in the religion of Islam! But the God in Islam that he expresses in this way is very different from the GOD that is not only expressed in Islamic societies but also implemented in practice. He describes God from foundations of Islam that taken from Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism and integrates the beauty of each religion and explains in the name of Islamic GOD that in the eyes of the listener who did not grow up in the Islamic society and did not live among Moslem, the religion of Islam It will be portrayed as perfect in the aspects of earthly, mystical and spiritual life.... The question is, how many people, whether in the Sunni or Shiite society, who are in the supreme theological position or as Ayatollahs not only agree in their thoughts with his opinion and description of GOD , but also believe in preaching it and practice it ?
Sadly, within the various religions generally, tradition appears to outweigh truth.
As a Muslim, I must confess people consider Mohamed's tradition like an idol and they even to the untrained eye seem to be worshipping him. Yet, they're oblivious of that sadly. The guy seems to be Sufi, but Sufi people are drunk on all things divine and they don't lose time recruiting people, which is sad, and which is why they are very appealing to Muslims who crave for all things spiritual. Now, when it comes to me, as a Muslim, I believe God is Nothing, so I won't be giving ground to those who have an anthropomorphic view of God and at the same time deny him a body, while thinking that becoming a good Muslim equates to becoming a good dark ages Arab that traveled through time and has a smartphones and buys airplane tickets
Lol. a Muslim Jordan peterson.
@@derekallen4568 peterson
Where is the proof of religious texts? That is the only question that needs to be asked.
language games
Internally inconsistent language games. Word salads. Clown shows.
Are they truly looking for god. Or just some way to validate their own existence. Anything to elevate their culture above the others. It sure does seems that way.
Good point. All is vanity.
@@cosminvisan520
Not you again. 🙄
Who are you trying to convince...me or yourself ?
If you get enough people to agree, will that somehow make it real ? Numbers don't create reality, but they do create gods.😂
@@cosminvisan520
Oh please, I am god sounds pretty childish to me. Or is it just that your ego needs a booster seat ? 🤔
God expresses itself differently so not to be alone.
@@cosminvisan520 not me i am dyslecic. I am dog.
@@cosminvisan520 yes
@@cosminvisan520 yes
"I vant to be alone"
@@keithrelyea7997 Greta? Greta Garbo? Is that you?
To answer the video title in simplest form: No.
Okay, and your proof is?
I look forward to the day when humanity frees itself from the intellectual shackles of religion. Europe has largely made this progress. And thankfully the US is moving in the right direction.
Huh?
What??
Short & succinct answer to the posed question: No, God makes no sense, either in terms of it's existence nor in terms of imagined actions. In fact, many of the acts supposed to be in its realm of activity, both affects & effects, run contrary to the basic tenets of the books that purport to be God's word. Further & Further From The Truth.
Do you know cosmology? If you do, your opinion has weight and I'd like to discuss it.
That's not a very good answer. You exhibit the same defects as the people you criticize.
Makes sense to me.
😂 so the answer is... no
well ya and no depending..wait what was the question?
Agreed. The answer is no. However we may disagree on, "what is the question"
Why argue over theology with people who will censor you in a forum and doctor Wikipedia with their Skeptic goons? Total waste of anyone's time.
GOD SAYS.... I BREATHED SOMETHING IN ADAM. THIS SOMETHING IS SPIRIT OR INSTINCT OR SOMETHING WE CANT IMAGINE AS WE CANT IMAGINE GOD IN ANY MATERIAL WAY.
Nothing makes sense without a Creator that is all knowing all powerful and eternal.
Proof?
and nothing makes sense with such a creator- such as the existence of suffering- other than with faulty rationalizations
@@chilluminati1292 proof is only acknowledged by way of our senses through the Intellect. No 'proof' is every handed over, it requires arduous effort. I see the clowns like you often, who've not put any work in, and you clowns somehow feel the proof question is a fact, it's not. You certainly cannot explain anything. To deny God means you deny the Cause. What proof do you have that the effect is of the effect? No physics proves such.
It's not what you said, it's what you indicate from what you said. You believe in nonsense. Where is your proof that the effect caused the effect?
@@JoeZorzin Suffering is the result of the mistakes of mankind.
@@chilluminati1292 You are the proof that you were literally created by a preexisting written word inside of you.
Gawd exist in our imaginations, just like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, only people don't kill one another in the name of Santa Claus.
You should have been at my house when I was 8 years old and I didn't get what I wanted from Santa. 🎅
People also kill others in the name of King and Country, Capital and Profit, Race and Superiority, Democracy and Freedom, Territory and Domination, Divide and Rule.
It seems that corruption and killing have been with humans ever since their evolution out of the jungle.
So what is the purpose of being as humans ??
@@hmehdi2644 what then is the purpose of being anything? It didn't start with humans coming out of the jungle...competition for resources is seen in all living cells as well as bacteria fungi and viruses...you can take it even lower to electrons and probably even lower...it started when frequency required space for form...i hope the purpose of being human is to have the ability to learn, to contemplate to have insight and to change/evolve...to a form that finally realizes it is cooperation rather competition that is needed for longevity
@@hmehdi2644
I hope to rise above being human, but I do not require an imaginary father figures in the sky to do so.
So what's your point, that despite religion, man continues to kill his fellow man?
Seems like a broken moral theory to me.
@@DeusShaggy my point is that the universe is evolving towards a goal, set in motion by a power we call God. It took 13.8 billions years for a human being to evolve out of the quantum fields and plasma particles that defined the early birth of the universe. The universe is guided towards its end goals to bring forth an intellect that discusses the meaning of the universe and tries to connect with whatever power made it. This must be part of the overall plan. It will take more than a few thousand years for the communicating guidance from the power of the universe to the intellect of man to take hold in civilisations. Societies are evolving towards a greater understanding of reality and will eventually meet God in his attributes. The human being wants to reflect divine attributes on earth and in the universe. We see this already happening as science and technology enable man to imitate God on the lower technological scales available to man.
Dolphins, elephants and other animals do not write equations for understanding and defining the universe. They do not send probes out into space to explore the boundaries of other planets. The universe must be doing this for a reason.
The universe is revealing God through the human intellect.
In short, God is the sole creator of this intelligent universe.
No
Sometimes when you try to make something better than something else you end up making things more complicated worse and nonsensical.
So it seems. If it's not broke, don't fix it. In spite of the very few examples that proves the rule.
This is why a lot of theological philosophy is deemed in Islam as Heretics. Speaking a lot of things that could be inacurate, incomplet or not clear enough about something as important and trancended as god
What does "beyond being" mean? To "be" means to exist, so if God is beyond being then he's beyond existence. But how can anything be beyond Existence and yet still be said to exist? It cannot. Thus "beyond being" is an admission of God's non-existence. I know that's not Hossein's intent, but that's what he's saying.
It's utter nonsense, isn't it ?
Just philosophical babble to try and overlook the non-existence of something.
A long time ago, your computer didn't exist. It only existed in the future. Your comment assumes that what is now, is all that exists. That seems unlikely.
look at the brain like a computer..
it in and of itself cannot know the full of
itself by itself and need another to do so like our being [we tend to separate the being from body and other things yet it’s one thing all together just different aspects yet again working together no conflict].
similar with out mind. our being needs be outside it to know hundred percent of it.
we can’t by using the brain to know brain fully.
A better phrase would be the womb of being rather than beyond being.
@@TimBitts649
What exists now has always existed -- but not in the forms we see before us at the present time. Existence is eternal, not the temporary shapes that Existence assumes or is molded into (like my computer).
To paraphrase Napoleon, God is useful.
God's existence is a scientific question. Do you know basic physics such as how stars work?
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of a quote that is controversially attributed to the ancient Roman philosopher Seneca (i.e. whether or not he _actually_ said this is disputed):
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
@@b.g.5869 Since we now agree the universe is heading for heat death, do we also agree there is no infinite supply of new non-heat-dead matter that will replenish it?
To paraphrase Victor Hugo; God was bored with him
@@gettaasteroid4650 Whom was God bored with?
So I have always felt the people who follow the religoins of India are usually more peaceful, tolerant, and fair, and other positive things.
You should read more history.
You obviously know nothing about India. Religious intolerance literally tore the country apart and there is serious religion based conflict and intolerance there, both within and between religions, to this day.
I absolutly believe in God through His word in holybook such as bible and Qur'an but His Existence is something beyond my imagination .
I disagree just because u believe in an imaginary being is evidence its within your imagination
@@freethinker4402 ?
Bob, I'am so disappointed you let this babble go on w/o one interruption except a bit of a groveling. No wonder this religion is in the state it's in. This is 10th century mysticism, not one word about the real world we live in. Please no more of this if you are in search of the whatever.
We learned there are many many names for identifying an invisible imaginary dictator.
Most definitions of God assume humans have free will. So you are just imagining God is Hitler. No.
aren’t some physicist coming around to similar in that “okay so we’ve had a glimpse of working of this whole thing yet what about the intangibles like love, hope, hate
and compassion for instance? where do they come from?”
some have in past run both lines paralleled
of hard science and science of an inner kind since both are in search of truths underlying truths not in conflict aiming towards same thing in a sense
and this completes one another
@@gracie99999 Physicist are saying that intangibles originate with humans. No humans no intangibles such as love, hope, hate, and compassion.
@@gracie99999 One might add colors, hot cold, texture. The physical properties can be measured but we still do not understand how we are capable of interpreting color, texture, etc. It still does not then mean a god. Our not knowing does not automatically point to a god.
@@kos-mos1127
Yep, if the meteorite takes us out, all the intangibles would be wiped out and Existence would have to start over again inventing creatures like us.
So long story short he's saying?? 🤔
There is no such thing as “the” Islamic view of God. Within the Islamic tradition, the conceptualizations of God are extremely diverse.
Can you give examples….
Quran:
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlaas
1
Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
2
Allah the Eternal Absolute;
3
He begetteth not nor is He begotten;
4
And there is none like unto Him.
No it’s not… if you truly follow Islam, we all see god as the same thing
There are as many gods as there are cultures to create them. Each asking the same question, but each coming up with their own answers.
@@thomasridley8675 the very fact all cultures 'create' god's as you say points to the fact that the knowledge (tacit knowledge) of God is written upon every ones heart. In the same way it would be strange to have a desire and instinct for the need of water if water did not exist.
"Does God Make Sense?"
The fantasies of gods make sense in a certain context of irrational superstition, and ignorance, and fallacious sloppy thinking, and indoctrination through fearmongering and false promises, coercion and evil oppression.
Makes a lot of sense that way. Otherwise? No, not at all.
Most comments are autobiographical.
I don't expect much from a Polack, but do you know physics reasonably well?
@@20july1944 Copernicus. Another Polack. 🤣
@@TimBitts649 Marie Skłodowska was smart as well -- I didn't say smart Polacks don't exist.
@@20july1944 my wife says thank you
All of those words to say nothing at all.
That's all part of the illusion.
That's on you. You haven't got the ear to hear it.
@@waqaskhanmomand7103 I heard it. It was nonsense. That's the point of my comment.
If you're charitable, here's an explanation you can think about.
He begins by reciting the "shahada" in Islam, which is the statement "la illaha ilallah" (there is no God but God) and this statement is the first thing someone must say to be considered Muslim. The statement begins by "negating" all other gods except the true God. The reason this is important is because it rejects all other faulty and weak understandings of God.
The correct understanding of God is that God is pure "Being" (i.e. "Esse" in the Catholic tradition) To understand what this means you have to understand the proofs of God used to get to this understanding. I'll use some technical terms, but I'll explain them in plain English.
Everything we see in existence has an "essence" and an "existence." The "essence" of a thing is "what something is." And the "existence" of a thing is the fact that it is in reality. An example will make this clear: you can imagine an apple in your mind. This apple is the image that comes to your mind when you think about the "essence" of an apple. But this apple doesn't actually exist, it cannot fill your stomach, it can't be thrown at someone, it's just a concept and a mental image. So what distinguishes the apple in my mind from the apple in outside reality that I can eat? The difference between them is that the one in reality has "existence."
This same concept applies to everything in existence. We see around us that there are many things coming and disappearing- that is to say, many things which we can think about in our mind (i.e. "essences") gain "existence" and lose "existence." We can also imagine things that don't exist, but could definitely exist as well.
If this is the case, then we have to ask ourselves, what causes things to gain existence after non-existence? Why is it that the essences I imagine don't simply pop into existence, but other essences do gain existence? The answer is that these things require something to give it existence. For example, I can imagine an apple, but it won't come into existence no matter how hard I imagine. But if I plant a seed into the ground, that seed gives existence to the possibility of an apple.
That is to say, something took the essence of a thing and added existence to that essence. In this case it is a tree. But a tree also required something to bring it into existence as well. That tree I planted didn't exist prior, and it could have existed differently and could have been imagined to exist.
Now, with that introduction, this gets us to the proof of God known as "de ente et essentia."
Take any existing thing. If it can be imagined to be otherwise- that is to say, if it could have existed, or could not have existed, then it is something that requires existence to have been added to it to exist. The apple is an example, it could have existed if I planted the seed, and it could not have existed if I didn't, or if I ate it and made it non-existent. Anything like this is called a "possible" existence. Any possible existence requires a cause.
This cause can be itself something that requires existence to be added to its essence (i.e. a possible existence). That is an acceptable explanation, but it won't work forever. You can explain the apple by the tree, and the tree by the seed, and the seed by another apple, and so on. But you cannot explain this by infinite regress and say that this cycle has been going on forever, because you will never answer how the first thing gained existence. Therefore, to explain how things got existence, you are in need of a "Necessary" Existence. This Necessary Existence has a special property- its Existence *is* its Essence. That means it doesn't require something to give it Existence. This isn't something made up, it is a "Necessary" truth, that is to say, it is something that has to be true in order to make sense of the existences around us.
That thing is what we call "God." The Existence that gives existence to all existence.
And that explains the first four minutes of the video.
@@dustinellerbe4125This is metaphysics, boi. Maybe you can follow the likes of Jordan Peterson better..
everything! they left nothing !
The simpler meanings are important in our lives. Especially when, in today's world, there are many complicated concepts put forward by sophisticated people. Try for example to understand narratives and maps of meaning put forth by Jordan Peterson, when interpreting biblical stories.
Simplicity of understanding and meaning help us to connect to God better and deeper.
Jordan peterson is just a far right simp
This dude has many words but saying nothing
Welcome to philoshophy
The old TV show Seinfeld was also like this. Great show, about nothing.
He also deliberately mistranslates texts to reflect his views instead of faithfully representing the material. You know, the whole job of a scholastic translator. Specific example being the Sufi phrase of eternal leaven as "eternal dough". Not going to get into details, but suffice to say, it changes an entire metaphor and undermines his entire representation of a tradition by doing so.
Nothing is what you know about what he's talking, dude.
Word salad.
running after the thief apes just to keep the message (intact) is other punishment in addition of being imprisoned among the apes on the planet of the apes!
There have been many attempts to prove, finally, that God exists.
But not just any old common or garden god, but The God of the Bible.
I am quite happy to believe that something caused a tile to fall off my roof.
I'd love to chat with you about evidence for Christianity, please respond here.
@@20july1944
There is lots of evidence for Christianity.
We got Christian churches all over the place where I live !
@@tedgrant2 Rather obviously, I'm asking the beginning of Christianity.
Apparently you're a video maker or something, but do you know any history or science? I'd happily chat about either but I'd like it to be something you know about.
@@20july1944
You are the first person ever to suggest that I am a video maker (or something).
Congratulations.
@@20july1944
As regards history or science or something, it is true tgat I know a little.
Compared to a mouse, I know a lot, but compare to God, nothing.
I guess we need to pick a topic. How about Satan ?
I knew all that from the beginning, but it was my responsibility towards future generations.
their chance to survive is very weak, I have nothing more to do, I am imprisoned among apes, it is their own world, I give up.
nothing can turn the apes into humans whatever.
The Story of my life
I don't approve of your sense of moral superiority.
it is not about this video, it is not about superiority ! superiority among apes! I am not asking for anything except to leave human thoughts intact.
calling apes thief apes is not an achievement !
it is not about the public (it is about the thief apes)
It is about this ape: ruclips.net/video/BUaVNrktCk4/видео.html
I don’t talk about this one.
it is not about the public, it is about the thief apes and calling apes as thief apes isn't achievement , basically I don't like arguing at all, all the story is about keeping the message intact (must reach future generations).
if the thief apes stay away I will never talk about them "never"
superiority ! superiority in front of what ?!
apes here is not about physical appearance or .... it is about: mind, morals, values, principles, humanity,... etc that is what make human as human !
apes here is not about physical appearance or .... it is about: mind, morals, values, principles, humanity,... the way they steal, ...etc that is what make human as human !
Don't know love, don't know God straight like that. When common sense appear to be a magic trick fill in the blank...
There are people who react to complex ideas by trying to understand them, and then there are people who react by denouncing them as nonsense because they don't care to learn. Guess which kind of person dominates the comment section of every theologically-oriented video released by this channel.
And then there are people who invented very complicated subject from complete nonsense that is called theology and try to project it as a scientific fact. How can you fall for this? Its like talking about 🎅
I was going to say I resent that, but I changed my mind: I resemble that.
Even though i'm not Muslim . . . i like this teacher's answers (Mr. Nasr). Why ??? Because (1) he says things in a way that make the subject of " God " very special. And (2) he does that in a way which is very disarming. Objections have a difficult time arising because we don't know what he will say next. (3) He seems to know his subject very well. Of course (4) Mr. Kuhn's insightful questions facilitate all of the preceding. As the English might say *GOOD SHOW.*
_Narrator: He was a Muslim._
All Kuhn’s hosts knows very good their subjects why the Muslim shouldn’t?
All Kuhn’s hosts knows very good their subjects why the Muslim shouldn’t?
I am just thankful a Muslim and a Jew sat down for a nice civil conversation without it turning into a Holy War. Now if only Kanye West or Dave Chapelle could do the same. ✔😇😮
Well discussed, or lectured, but for what do we need any religion if Being is essential anyway? Religions are something that we should avoid for many reasons as they obstruct rather than free.
Can consciousness exist outside of time?
Some would argue that when the brain dies consciousness dies, in reality nobody knows.
Time is interesting as we are imprisoned in a universe of time and space.
People talk of eternity so the question I ponder is this, is eternity simply infinite time or something completely different.??
Again were in a prison cell of time and space so nobody can answer that.
Can time exist outside consciousness?
some seem to not only think so but do
it’s maybe the intellect and crude emotion
that proved that ceiling yet not the tools
to get beyond this and at some point needs
to be bypassed and other tools more perceptive available to us used
Time does not exists it is just a way of measuring motion of objects through space.
@@kos-mos1127
The motion of objects requires time. Besides, in General Relativity, time (as a part of spacetime) gets curved by matter. So it's gotta be something, right? Or how is something non-existent supposed to get curved?
Say, He is God, One (1) God, the Eternal, the Eternal, (2) He was not begotten and was not begotten (3) And there is none equal to Him.
And ( He) the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
This doesn’t seem to be the mainstream islamic view on God in my humble opinion
They say god made everything, so that means both sense and nonsense
of course
@@cosminvisan520 Send me a few million so I can start to make the world better then ;)
@@cosminvisan520 I know ;)
God exists because we exist. Mathematics does not exist except in our minds. And yet it exists and works because we do. Empathy does not exist except for us. Neither does literature or music or sky-scrapers or pain. So God exists because we have invented him/her/it/the concept, because we do and we need the concept to complete our self-concept and our place in the Universe. Is God real? As real as joy is or mathematics, perhaps.
@@cosminvisan520 i am Sparticus
That is well put. As soon as humanity dies off God ceases to exists.
@@cosminvisan520 Dragons and elves sound pretty good.
@@kos-mos1127 When humanity dies off, everything ceases to exist. With no watcher there is no reality. Excluding the possibility of other sentient individuals elsewhere. When the last person with any knowledge of mathematics is dead, math is dead - until it is rediscovered. When the last human dies everything dies with him or her or they.
that was a good comment Ron
" Does God makes sense?" It depends on what you mean by " God". If you ask an Advaita Vedantist that question he would say that " You are the God" ( Tat Twam Asi) . He would say that only God exists and nothing else, everything else is an illusion. Atman (your consciousness) is God. Atman is Brahman.
If you ask that same question to someone from the Abrahamic faith they will come up with a god in the sky, a creator God. The great Gautama Buddha would not even answer that question. There is no "god" in Jainism, they believe in individual souls and rebirth
I see that Mr.Kuhn is going around everywhere and asking this eternal question.
@@cosminvisan520 You have to realize it by deep mediation. That is what the great rishis did. Just saying " I am God " is meaningless.
@@cosminvisan520 Exactly! Advaita Vedanta is pure reasoning, it is not meditation but I mentioned meditation because it is very popular nowadays and that is another option.
Advaita Vedanta is more for intellectuals. It is a very logical method of reasoning.
Where is the proof for these religious texts?
If you're going to open that can of worms then there must be something beyond beyond being as well, and so on.
What holds it all is beyondness, that’s the finality, yet it’s never ending.
If God is beyond being, and God is infinite, then it would wouldn't really make sense to say there is something beyond beyond being. An infinite God would be timeless and all-encompassing; there would be no beyond God. There would be no beyond beyond being.
To me, this would be similar to me giving you a number which extends infinitely, and you responding that there must be something beyond the infinity of its sequence. It doesn't make sense because there is nothing beyond the infinite sequence. It simply goes on and on forever. There is just the infinite number; there is just beyond being.
@@cosminvisan520 No. God is the beginning of the road. Also: "Who's on first?"
@@sethmweber I think you got the math wrong: "It doesn't make sense because there is nothing beyond the infinite sequence. It simply goes on and on forever." It does indeed go on forever. But it also excludes an infinite amount.
@@cosminvisan520 Everything is a dumb word. Gives people the wrong impression.
The problem of infinite regression does not disappear just by wishing it away.
*"The problem of infinite regression does not disappear just by wishing it away."*
... Science suffers the same infinite regression with "Big Bounce Theory," "Many Worlds Theory" and "Multiverse Theory." Apparently succumbing to infinite regression is quite popular these days!
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC We can never have access to the world as it is. So we can never have a complete description of the Cosmos.
@@kos-mos1127 *"We can never have access to the world as it is. So we can never have a complete description of the Cosmos."*
... Back in the early 80's I was privileged to learn computer graphics on a Genigraphics 100 C mainframe. Obsolete by today's standards but cutting edge during its time (8" floppies and a 64 color display). One of the features was "unlimited space" to place my graphics. All I had to do was punch in XYZ coordinates and "poof!" my graphic would move to that location. We tried to test the limits of this virtual universe by typing in 7-figure XYZ coordinates, but it would still successfully place the graphic.
It made me wonder if one day we will discover a new field that's based on a mathematical grid. We _evolve_ to a level of "smartness" to where we can access this grid and have our spaceships instantly move anywhere within the universe based on whatever coordinates we punch into the grid. And as usual, the grid can be explained via "mathematics," ... but everyone will still claim it's not fundamental. This theoretical "cosmic grid" could also explain superposition?
Just thought I'd share how long ago I've been thinking about this stuff. 🙂
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC It is not fundamental because there is no time coordinate and there is no gravity. Even though it's a virtual universe it is nothing like the real universe.
@@kos-mos1127 *"Even though it's a virtual universe it is nothing like the real universe."*
... Well, nothing is the same as the real thing. Even so, this type of virtual environment has only been available to us for less than half a century. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss its implications.
Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set complex morphology? Understand why this is true.
The universe is a giant Mandelbrot set. So is the brain. That's how it understands reality and where consciousness comes from. A brain is the universe awaking from it's sleep. 🧠😴🤓I don't really know what this comment means, but I felt compelled to write it anyhow.
God is psychology, god is mind.
Psychology is a science of the mind, not an agent of it. You assume psychology is the mind. As as psychologist, I have never seen any genuine psychologist say what you said. I am guessing you are neither a psychologist or theologian.
Zoroastrian is the first religion To talk about one God. All other religions just copied.😊
This gentleman is explaining Sufism.
Nope.
That's arguable but that doesn't mean copy have heard any sane Theist saying Athiest copied democritus
No.
I think Islam makes many very important points and is interesting in the fact that it also accepts Jesus as a prophet, I think it would be very difficult for any Christians to accept Mohammed as also a prophet, but when he speaks of Allah as the ultimate compassion and forgiveness were do say the hijackers of 9/11 fit in to this, would God approve of such a terrible act or have extremists misinterpreted/twisted the teachings of Mohammed?
"or have extremists misinterpreted/twisted the teachings of Mohammed" No they follow him 100%, the so-called "prophet" of Islam used terrorist tactics during his own life (killing female poet who mocked him, killing POWs).
9/11, Madrid, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Nice, this is all true Islam in action
@@notanemoprog Well u mske good points, I find it interesting that I haven't seen any feminist response to the dreadful killng of the 22 year old girl in Iran because she wasn't wearing her scarf correctly, have u? No they attack the West where women control the media snd everything which to me ecplains why everything is such b/s these days, but thats only my opinion.
The universe was not created by the Infinite, but by the finite. When the finite opposed The Infinite Father. Why has the finite come out of The Infinite just to return to The Infinite? So the finite can learn why it is better not to oppose the Infinite Father, but to be as one with Him.
amen
I could come up with a better good night story..
@@sindibadage does it include Santa? 🎅Also I like stories with 🥐croissants in them.
@@cosminvisan520 That's what Satan thought too.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism ....... All man made stories. Some good philosophies in them, some bad. Some people like and need them, some people don't and find them all laughable.
Man cannot know the "ultimate truth". Then again there may not be an "ultimate truth".
How annoying. Ten minutes of word waffle, with many "deepity" sounding phrases, but nothing of substance. But then I suppose that's how these experts in the supernatural make their livings ?
Without God, there is no "deepity", how could there be? What is of substance in a universe that exists for no real purpose and is only destined for destruction?
Sense? You don't mean logic? You don't mean meaning? You don't mean the linguistic mind and language? You don't mean mathematics or geometry or any other self consistent theory? You don't mean consciousness?
Obviously consciousness does not require a linguistic mind. Animals tell us this. Not thru language but thru the absence of language. Therefore God makes sense, not through consciousness but through the absence of consciousness?
The absence of indoctrinated consciousness derived from culture. Not an acquisition of another culture's doctrines, but the removal of, not only the linguistic mind, the cultural imprint itself. A loss of humanity without death. A return to animal nature for a moment or two.
You are on to something.
*Does God Make Sense?* ... Yes, based on us not knowing the origin of the universe and the fact that we are "creators" at our core, the concept of an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnibenevolent "Creator" makes sense. This is because the human mind naturally gravitates towards the *highest possible extremes* whenever the answer remains unknown.
This doesn't mean that God exists; only that it is logical to move to this extreme.
This same level of *"movement to the highest possible extreme"* is present in Multiverse Theory. Once again, the answer remains unknown, so science ends up with postulating an "infinite number of universes."
This doesn't mean that The Multiverse exists; only that it is logical to move to this extreme.
A powerful being is just a middle man , you can accept the existence without any need for God.
Well , the "one ego god" dont make sense , like Ala or calvinist god , we all share the same consciousness nature , we all are God.
@@ManiBalajiC *"A powerful being is just a middle man"*
... A middleman between what?
*"you can accept the existence without any need for God."*
... Sure, you can "accept" your existence without any explanations coming from science, philosophy, and religion, but you won't have an answer for your existence.
Most people seek an answer because it's just human nature to do so.
@@marcosbatista1029 *"Well , the "one ego god" dont make sense , like Ala or calvinist god , we all share the same consciousness nature , we all are God."*
... As I stated in my opening comment: _"the human mind naturally gravitates towards the highest possible extremes whenever the answer remains unknown."_
You just did the same by claiming _"We are all God."_ That is a textbook example of _"movement to the highest possible extreme."_
@@ManiBalajiC Dear Mani. The word خود (Khud) in Urdu means Self. Connect the dots. All is One and the same. Maya. Leela. Veil. Why? Genesis 2 18. We are the One. Blessings.
Scientific theories are never certain. New evidence overturned classical physics around 1900.
Religious theories, however, are 100% certain for ever and ever amen.
Which makes me rather suspicious.
Not true. Israel literally means "wrestling with God".
"Religious theories, however, are 100% certain for ever and ever amen."
- 100% certainly false.
The pursuit through science iterates towards the truth. Religions are stuck in ancient times and merely reflect what people thought then.
@@TimBitts649
And River Avon literally means river river.
Science cannot be certain because we can never have access to all of nature. Theories do not get overturned they just get enclosed within another theory.
Religion has certainty and lacks evidence.
@@tedgrant2 So do you know much science?
I'm a Christian and I use only science to infer God's existence.
just a lot of words- no proof- suffering would not exist with God- it's absurd to say so
I've been following this show for several years and have never seen Vaiṣṇava theology represented here. Asking for another Abrahamic opinion is false diversity. They all share the the same basic misconceptions.
@@cosminvisan520 How do you define God?
@@cosminvisan520 The Vedas describe God as sat-cit-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, the original perfect form of "I am, I have, and I want".
Correct. We need more God diversity. My brother worships The Flying Spaghettis' Monster God.
@@TimBitts649, I'm specifically interested to have the best understanding represented, not to include ridiculous ideas for the sake of diversity.
BS
Cosmin V / Yeah, you're a BS too
No, god does not and never did make sense. This is neolithic thinking and shouldn't even being discussed in this century. Let's discuss real questions.
Assertions without any evidence 😂
What are you referring to, Neil?
There are many. Although I will concede he is often discussing what different religions assert.
To answer your question, let’s go with the assertion that God is defined as both a personal entity and an impersonal metaphysical entity. What actual evidence did he provide to support that assertion?
@@cosminvisan520 another assertion without evidence 😂
@@EverythingCameFromNothing I'm not defending his assertions, i'm eager to chat with you if you are an atheist.
@@20july1944 Ok, No problem, what would you like to chat about?
It makes no sense at all when you talk about god, it must be referred to Christianity!!
@@cosminvisan520 God or Dog?
Word salad. Short answer: no
Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's a word salad
Does God Make Sense? Nope.
@@cosminvisan520 You're not making sense.
@@cosminvisan520 ""I am" is a logically necessary truth," No it isn't
@@cosminvisan520 When a comic book character "says" it in a bubble
Of course God makes sense! The majority of the world believes in God.
Lol you gotta be kidding me
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 As a theoretical physicist god makes sense. All I know is that materialism will be dead but the sheep keep following the charlatans.
We all are part of infinite consciousness, we all are god .
warning, delusional people can sound intellectual
@@cosminvisan520 religious people are such great heroes in ignoring the nasty bits. Don't you think?
The supreme personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna, He is a Bramhya created this universe, He is as a Vishnu preserved the universe and as a Shiva destroyed the universe.
Godhead: The Brains Big Bang is an excellent book by the human givens
The 614th commandment is don’t forget God’s word. Only your Creator can be your Savior.
It’s the only thing that makes sense. Intelligence ONLY comes from intelligence. Consciousness ONLY comes from consciousness. Follow it all the way back and it leads to the ultimate consciousness and intelligence which EVERYTHING comes.
Then where did that first intelligence come from?
@@therick363 After a certain point of following back to find the origin of things we reach certain fundamentals, for example we are made up of complex molecules, which are made up of atoms which are made up of neutrons, protons, electrons which are further made up of gluons, quarks etc, which are further made up of some say pure energy through strings, others have other theories but this is not an infinite chain, ultimately they will be made up of some fundamental particles. In the same way "who created whom" is not an infinite chain of creators and creation, you will ultimately end up with something fundamental which would be the origin.
The problem of infinite regression cannot disappear just by wishing it away.
@@jakeman8653 my point though is those who claim this intelligence is the fundamental thing? They can’t ever admit special pleading and double standards. That’s a big issue of lack of honesty.
This isn't an argument for god, it's an argument for panpsychism.
Of course it's not even an argument at all; it's just an unsupported assertion with an implicit appeal to personal incredulity.
What you're really saying is that _you_ cannot imagine how consciousness can come from anything else but consciousness, therefore consciousness comes from consciousness.
This is obviously empty circular reasoning, the technical term for which is "gibberish" 😉.
Only in the judeo Christian tradition does God make sense. No God at all also makes no sense.
@@cosminvisan520 in your own delusional world you could be. But reality is What matters
@@cosminvisan520 that is delusional. We clearly don't define God the same way
Qur'an is the worst place to take ideas on what God is