The Best Kept Secret in 12 Volt Tools - 12V Head to Head
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2023
- Today, we put 12-volt offering from Skil and Bosch to see if they are worthy competitors to the likes of Milwaukee and Dewalt.
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Aa a woodworker who makes custom furniture, i use the Bosch 12V with the flexiclick feature. Its the perfect amount of power for assembly and fastening without overdriving. I don't care about raw power as nobody is going to realistically drive a giant lag screw into a deck with a small 12v. A 12v is meant for finesse and control thus raw power and speed means very little. Bosch knows how to make a 12v for 12v specific applications.
The Chameleon has the call it is a great tool. I’ve reviewed that and for the most part I do like that tool. The drill is similar to that tool but less versatile just because it doesn’t have the different chucks. The impact driver isn’t great in my opinion though. The handle is almost entirely vertical and it makes the tool awkward. Then it is really underpowered compared to the competition. I can understand that some people might like the less power for certain jobs but I don’t feel like the control and precision on other impact drivers is lacking.
This Man has class, and substance, juss sayin… not pushing an agenda, or bias against a particular brand(s). Solid Sir! Thank You! 👍✌😊
Thanks. I appreciate it!
I have both the dewalt and milwaukee 12v systems; using the 5ah batteries on the dewalt tools gives them quite a chonky boost in power. While I do like the M12 system, I mostly use the 12v dewalts for tools like drills because the grip is much more comfortable.
Thank god I jumped into the Milwaukee M12 line a couple years ago before ALL tools got expensive. I also never buy power tools at full price, I will wait until there is a sale! Skil does seem to be stepping up their game though for sure! Great video my friend!
Thanks! Yeah some of the stuff is getting up there in price. I mainly wait for sales myself unless they are brand new tools.
Great content as usual Taylor, appreciate your time and effort my friend.
Thanks!
always enjoy your new video at the weekend
Thanks for that
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
I have that exact M12 kit. I upgraded from my old M18 impact and im so glad I did. Its lightweight, powerful with the tri led. What's not to love
I love my 12v Skil tools. I'm close to having the complete set and all of them are great. If you come into them realizing that they are price based tools you will never be disappointed.
They were more impressive than expected.
And they do have some innovations that other companies don’t. That’s why it is so hard these days to stick to one or even two companies because every brand has that 1 feature no one else has. Dang you free market…lol!!
Same ive renovated our master bathroom with my skil 12v system and kept m12 on sidelines
the multitool is a standout, low vibration can fit any blade or attachment and good features.
I’ll have to consider trying the OMT. I have the fuel 12v and it’s pretty awesome as well.
I have the Skil love it
I decided to replace my old 12 Matco brushed driver drill with the Milwaukee 12v line last fall and have not been disappointed. I got all tools in kits on deals so nothing was paid full price for and I’ve extra batteries and chargers to boot. Ended up with 2 of the newest brushless impact drivers the hammer drill and a brushed driver drill and impact driver. They’re all upgrades the only thing I miss is the quick change collet on the matco driver drill. But normal chucks work for a broader range of bits so it’s just a change. I ended up giving the brushed impact driver to my teen as his first power tool. I use one of the series 3 impact drivers at work for most small fasteners and really enjoy the brushless impact driver/hammer drill kit for at home use. It’s never let me down and flawlessly helped me build a wooden play structure for my children.
Yeah the M12 stuff really stands alone in terms of performance. The Gen 3 fuel impact is a great little tool.
It is important to note that the Skill drill you are testing is Gen 1...they now have the gen 2 drill which is way more compact while keeping performance specs very similar to the original
You are right. My local Lowes was slow to swap out the 1st gen for the 2nd gen. I have since picked up the new drill and plan to make a video with that and some other Skil 12v tools.
And the chuck is better.
Scored the Skil 12v 5 tool combo at Lowes a few years back for $99. Have since upgraded to the Milwaukee 12v platform. IMO Skil was def the best value. I do own the 12v Bosch Planer and love it.
Bosch has some great tools for sure. The chameleon is nice and then the 12v sander is awesome. I haven’t tried the planer but I’ve been intrigued.
You make a great job on this 12v battle tools 👍👏. Btw I don't want to be of bad faith but when I choose my Bosch 12v drill my first choice was USEFUL and after performance! It's small and light, for tiny place it's perfect. On jobsite I have been using metabo hpt (hikoki), Hilti, and DeWalt 12v drill and I won't lie, the Hilti was my favourite . I also noticed that ladies love the Bosch because it fits on their hands and it's cute !!
I get that performance isn’t everything for everyone. It does feel like the most compact and the drill has decent ergonomics. I didn’t care for the impact driver but I get why some people like them.
I already went for the Milwaukee fuel impact driver, so I opted to purchase the 12V hammer drill. If I ever need more power I'll purchase the 18V M18 fuel hammer drill
Thanks for doing all of those tests. It was a very good review. Having bought 12 volt because of the compactness, I wouldn't go for the Skil. It would either be Milwaukee or Bosch due to size. If you buy Bosch in the brushless, they are close to the price of the Milwaukee (In Australia, not sure about the US etc). I bought Milwaukee and as an older person with arthritis in my hands, this tool gave me a great amount of control and ability to do things with ease that I had trouble with with a bulky 18 volt tool.
Glad they were helpful! The skil might not be the most compact but it is decently lightweight but i get what you are saying.
i got the Skil combo kit with the 1st gen drill and impact driver and 2 batteries for $69 @ Lowes. Super lucky. Used it for a year and gave it away to one of my bros, he probably sold it, i don't see him using it. Now about the power, these tools are meant for slow methodic and light duty jobs. I also own the Dewalts and use them on a regular basis with the work I do. They feel more authentic in the way they give you the power you need whether you slow roll it or power it through. The Skil set, it just powers through most things, not sensitive enough, is why i gave them away. It is probably in the way these tools are engineered and tuned from the factory. For me i like the feel of brushed tools where everything is more analog with the press of the trigger. The Dewalts almost feel that way, but you can still feel the step ups in power delivery.
I have read a few comments recently about how the older brushed tools had better feel. Honesty I can say that I have a lot of experience with them. The DEWALT does have nice feel but I didn’t feel that the skil was bad by any means. The Bosch here felt very controllable but mostly because it was so slow.
Great video. I bought in on the skil 20v and 12v line. I wouldn’t even day I’m a weekender dyi guy but when it comes down to $$$ and those left over dollars to buy other stuff I want, skil is a great option. Not going to be able to abuse them like DEWALT or Milwaukee but I’m not doing that much to worry about it and I don’t have to money just sit there and not being used. If that doesn’t matter then spend more. It’s all about money left over to play with for me.
There is a lot to offer with their tools. If they keep building out their lineup I think they are a solid lower cost option.
I’m heavily invested in M12, but honestly I have Skil as well and for the $$$$ it’s hard to beat especially if you can catch their 5 piece combo kit for $99 .. it regularly on sale for $149, but it has the Gen 1 impact not the new one. The rest of their 12v tools are very impressive and worth a look into, their Halo light on their impact is by far my favorite and wish they all would have that .. And as you said M12 tools are on another level in terms of performance and size, mainly the Fuel line and it’s a hard one to beat!! almost get 20v performance in a 12v tool.. the M12 Surge ❤❤ it’s my go too for everything!!!
Yeah the surge is a nice and a really unique tool. I know they have other hydraulic impact drivers but it’s the best in my opinion. Really hoping for a gen 2
Skil is made by Chervon, who also makes Kobalt, Flex and Ego.
I'm on the Bosch 18V platform, they are well built, but underperform for the price. Thinking of switching to Milwaukee M12, as I don't really use power tools for anything heavy duty! As a gardener, my go to brands are Stihl and Husqvarna!
The M12 platform is awesome. I can agree with you on some of the Bosch tools. The top tier of their tools is pretty impressive. With that said, I recently received their new GSB18V-800C and I quite like it. It's a nice step up in performance and decently compact and balanced. Plus it has some quite premium features like anti-kickback and such.
Have been following your channel for a while now and another great video. Here in Australia we don't get the 12V Skil tools, only the 20V. Apart from the Milwaukee M12 (also the most expensive tools here) our largest range is the Makita CXT line, which I have a few of, and we have a few of the DeWalt range. It would be a help if the companies had the same ranges in all countries.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I feel that way about the makita LXT tools they offer in Japan for example. Even with Milwaukee there are European models only that they get that I wish I could get.
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the support.
As for the quick release collet Bosch uses the deeper sockets for double ended bits same as Metabo and Makita Japan (though US market Makita have quick insert), this is why there is no quick insert as the bits can go deeper. That said the performance was well off the others especially for the price. In your next video can you also show a compact 18v for a size comparison, some of the latest units look almost as small as these 12v tools.
Japanese Makitas also have a quick insert collet (a very nice one in fact). For whatever reason some companies just don’t do it.
As for the sub compact I have tested several sub compacts on the channel and I think in at least one video I’ve compared to the M12. Sub compact are certainly an alternative. Generally they are more powerful but compared to the latest M12 fuel it’s not that big of difference.
In breadth of offerings, Makita's CXT tool line is second only to Milwaukee M12. If I include LED lights, I own 2 M12 tools, 13 Makita CXT, and five Skil PWRCore 12. If I were starting over, I'd start with Skil.
I just wish they had more of a presence in the the US around me. With HD taking them out of their stores, CXT has no in store presence. And even before that they never carried the brushless CXT tools, just the brushed.
On the subject of Skil, I think they have a good thing going as a value alternative to some of the bigger options.
I started my basement renovation and i am heavily invested in 12v and 20v Drwalt tools. I completed the bathroom and one bedroom using the Dewalt 12v xtreme combo. Got the job done and never once did my hands tire out. Thought, why dont i try out the m12 combo since it was on sale foe Christmas. Did 1/4 of the kitchen and man that thick grip tired my hands. In just 15 minutes. It is powerful no doubt, but Dewalt tools had precision and control. And mostly a great grip. Power is not a personal preference for everyone, no wonder Bosch, Makota and Dewalt dont play the power game. Its precision and control. The power game is between Molwaukee and Flex.
I agree that power is the most important for everyone. I do personally like the Milwaukee tools but recognize that others have better finesse and precision.
I own the skil set you have there, and the dewalt xtreme set, it really is close, but the skil ultimately will drive things that most 12v impact drivers cant, the dewalt and the skil is even in quality, if anything i like the skil better, yea the driver is a tad taller, but still super strong, super lightweight, and just superior, i love it, plus the usb port, and the flashlight option you can turn it on and off if you're needing a flashlight, no others there have that, and that driver will get in some tight places, and a 3 yr warranty,,i think 5 if you register it, but anyway, cheap enough that i aint worried about replacing it, new impact driver alone at lowes is 59 bucks, thats with a charger and 2ah battery, and they have updated the drill, i am working on getting it, it is shorter,, thank you , great video
The price point is intriguing for me and the fact that the tools perform fairly well. I have loved what I bought so far.
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Can you do the one-hand hackzall when you get a chance?
I want to get the Makita XRJ08Z but I'm mostly on the Milwaukee battery platform, thinking of using a battery adapter for it.
Are you talking about the Skil hackzall? I have an 18v Milwaukee one handed but don’t have anything 12v yet. I’ll put it on the list and if I see a good sale I’ll pick it up.
The dewalt 12v impact is my favorite, just love everything about. The skil and milwaukee are tied for me. Great but not prefered. Idk guess im just weird.
The way I see it there are different tools for all of us.
I'm in the same boat. I started out with m12 platform and tried the 12v xtreme Hammer Drill and switched over immediately. Gave m12 another chance, but now Dewalt 12v is getting serious.
For maintence type/service jobs M12 is absolutely all you need. More then enough power. Small and compact.
The only thing i dislike about them are the big handles from the battery but its a compromise i guess.
I agree with you. The handle isn’t ideal but I have found a grip that works great for me and I even like it more than I like some competitions brands.
I’d like to see you try out the new brushless hyper tough 12v tools. I don’t expect much from the drill driver but for specs the impact driver seems pretty good and I’ve seen some other small tests of it and it handled well. For ergonomics, I prefer the 12v battery style like Milwaukee and Bosch but Milwaukee is very expensive. For handyman work like I’ve done, the new brushless hypertough might be a great alternative to the vastly more expensive Milwaukee but with much greater performance than the Bosch.
You are the second person to mention Hyper tough so I might have to check it out.
Nice test. M12 is my main 12v tool line but I have the old brushed Bosch 12v drill and impact, and the brushed Flexiclick, which I use for light-duty tasks and some woodworking. I like the small size and the ergonomics of the Bosch tools, but the M12 def crank harder.
I was looking at the brushed impact driver yesterday at Lowe’s and it looks like the handle on a brushed model is at a better angle on that model. I think I would prefer that. For light duty tasks they are certainly well suited and I have loved the brushless flexiclick.
@@TinkerWithToolsThe ergonomics are indeed good--similar handle to M12 but better grip IMO. I've replaced 2x6 stair treads (3" screws into stringers) with the brushed 12v Bosch impact, it worked fine for a few boards. I enjoy using the Bosch 12v stuff that I have.
For bigger fastening jobs I go 18v, and like my OG Triple Hammer lots (and the G1 brushless HPT drill). Also like the Dewalt DCD791 drill.
@@fabbro9999 love the triple hammer. There are a few things I wish they would improve but other than that it’s still great all these years later.
@@TinkerWithTools Yeah, haven't tried the Bolt yet, but G1 TH really has me covered at 18v.. M12 Fuel Surge does most of the rest--it basically replaced the Bosch 12v impact for me, but I still like the feel of the Bosch 12 drills better than the admittedly stronger M12 hammer drill (previous gen).
These are all impressive for 12volt tools
Great video. One point though - the Skil Impact driver you feature is the NEW upgraded and more compact version, while the Skil drill is the OLD version. There is a newer version that is more powerful, compact and does not have the 1/4 hex collet inside the chuck.
Yep. I noticed while editing so I made a note about it on screen. The new and the old version of the drill are linked. I actually have the new drill now and will be doing a video on it in the near future.
Great video. You should really try out Hilti sid2-a12 brushless. That’s my favourite 12v.
It’s on my list. hilti just always had the sticker shock when I go to buy it.
Second comment. Thanks for the info. I use Bosch exclusively as a tradie Electrician in Australia. If i need to do that type of work, i use my 18V Bosch. I use the impact on small screews, in and out. And fixing screws, xoduit saddles and equipment. It lives in my toolbet. Different results for a different ise case. BTW. Bosch have a bigger Battery available. I think that might hold the results with Bosch tools. It's all about the battery, not the tool. That's what I find anyway. What are your thoughts?
Yeah I had a bit of text on the screen that the tools will fair better on bigger batteries but for this testing I went with what was common across all the them. The chameleon form Bosch is a different tool on the 6 ah but so are the Milwaukee and the DEWALT. I imagine the skil would be as well. But I don’t think their relative ranking would change all that much.
M12 surge impact. Very little fastening gets done without it.
Fun fact: Skil has a more expansive 12V lineup than Dewalt. Even Bosch has more 12V tools than Dewalt. Many consumers appreciate that and SBD has not brought many new 12V tools other than 1 or 2 ratchets.
That's something I've seen you consider in the past when comparing tools.
Also I know you mentioned Skil has a more compact drill driver but not only that, it's the new gen that matches the impact driver you tested. On paper it doesn't make noticeable improvements over the 1st gen, though. However it still looks as if you brought the 3rd gen M12 Fuel impact along with the 2nd gen drill.
I think those facts would put Skil in 2nd. They really care about their 12V lineup
Yeah the video was long and some talking I did got left on the cutting room floor. I noticed the drill when editing and now have the second gen drill for Skil. It remedies my main complaints but the performance seems equal.
As for Milwaukee that was a Gen 3 for both the impact and the drill.
@@TinkerWithTools eagerly waiting for both Skil drills compared in a future video.
PS. Sorry for not being clear. I meant having different generations of Skil tools feels similar to testing an M12 2nd gen drill along with a 3rd gen impact
@@engineer_alv gotcha. That makes more sense. Yeah I’ll be doing a skil only video in the coming weeks. Just have to work through some stuff already in the works.
That skill 12v impact is sneaky
I was impressed with it. A little upset with myself that I slept on it so long. In fairness it’s the gen 2 version. Not sure I would have been as impressed with the gen 1.
Gen 1 same power, less features.
Personally I like it a lot, half the price of the others.
In Dewalt already however the 12v skill impact the feature of usb charger
That feature is nice. You can achieve it with both Milwaukee and DEWALT but it requires a separate accessory that is roughly the cost of the battery alone for Skil.
And forgot to mention, a lot of great comments in here, and that is usually the case with this Channel!!! 👍
The comments have been good on this one and usually are. Interacting in the comments is one of my favorite things about this channel.
you should check out skils right angle impact i think you would be impressed sinks 3in drywall screws like butter!
I'll have to look into it.
@@TinkerWithTools i really think you would have fun with it!
We went bosch because it was on special, that was 4 years ago, small and compact batteries as well that makes it easier to get into smaller places, they have been abused, used as hammers, have paint on them but still work great.
Customer service as well is what sold us, one battery was dead and the sales rep was at our shop door within 3 hours with a new one. Metabo blamed me....
What store was that? Or are you talking about Bosch directly?
@@TinkerWithTools a tool shop here in Australia, we rang them and told them a battery was dead and they must of told the Bosch rep and he came within a few hours.
What's the appeal of the Dewalt 12 volt since the dcf850 and 1.7ah power stack came out? I'd love to see a comparison between those.
I have a video where I compare the different impact drivers. It’s still lighter weight but something I have said time and time again is that impact drivers in general get smaller the more premium they are. So with an impact it’s not as big of deal.
Agreed on the ranking
I have the Milwaukee 12 volt set, and the Skil 1st generation set. Think I paid $69 online st Lowes for it. I wind up using the Skil more than the Milwaukee, not sure why though. 🧐
The 2nd gen skil is pretty impressive.
Skil impact driver, Dewalt drill driver for me.
I saw on another channel that the Milwaukee drains batteries faster than the skil on 12v line
I haven't done any testing on this. What is the other channel and I'll check it out.
I've noticed Chervon is all but pointing at TTI with just about every recent release.
They setting up a good lineup over at Lowe’s.
i have the skil 12v line and its great for the punch list/low voltage/hvac work that i end up doing with it. I really dont like the grip on the m12 and bosch and the dewalt, makita and hiliti 12v lineups didnt feel like they met the price to performance compared to the skil.
Yeah in terms of value it’s a great deal. With the M12 I find that the higher you grip and if I use my middle finger on the trigger it’s substantially more comfortable. Got used it that way on the installation drill driver.
@@TinkerWithTools i keep on trying the m12 tools and i just cant get use to them, it also helps that my apprentices can afford the skil line so they dont go into debt just getting into the trade.
Makes sense. The skil stuff really impressed.
The skil drill u tested I think is the older one they have a newer version now
Yep. I made note of that during the editing process I have both models linked in the video. I’ll have a video out later this month with the newer impact driver.
How about the Hilti, Metabo and Metabo hpt 12v ?
The hilti and the brushless Metabo intrigue me but price and availability have been the main factors in why they haven’t been tested yet.
15-30 years ago, I used to drool over German made power tools. Now days, I see them as over priced, they gave up on competing with other brands, while relying on their name to sell tools and charging way too much $$.
I like Milwaukee. But I'm impressed dollar for dollar by DeWalt performance and quality of their power tools. Their drill bits and screw driver bits are cheap, perform really well and last for a long time.
At the end of the day, I chose Milwaukee and go with DeWalt 1/4" bits.
I think that bits are something where you are going to find a brand you like and run with it. I don’t mind the DEWALT black bits but the silver ones the sell at Home Depot just don’t agree with me.
Makita has these tools in their 12v line, as does Metabo (not Metabo HPT), but they're harder to find. Harbor Freight's Hercules 12v drill and impact driver aren't brushless. Another TTI brand, Walmart's HyperTough, recently came out with brushless versions of their drill and impact driver. They look suspiciously like gray copies of their M12 cousins, but I'd guess they don't perform anything like the M12. I got them, plus a proper charger, for I think it was $120 total.
A few people have talked about the newest hyper tough as how good they are. Might have to try them one of these days.
I bought the Skil just because of the usb port on the batteries.
That’s a great added feature that makes their stuff even more handy. I love added value like that.
Are all of these tools brushless or just some of them.
All the ones I have shown are brushless.
That is the old skil drill, that isn't the newer model that comes with the impact
Yes. I realized that during the edit so I have mentioned in in the note during the video. Also I linked the newer drill.
What is going on with Dewalt. I dropped off my tail gate and it snapped in half and my second one something in the back of the truck slide into it and snapped it in half. It's like its make with playschool plastic
Honesty dropped various models off my work bench onto cement, nothing more than scratches. Sorry that happened!
Makita and Metabo HPT also have a 12v line
The Metabo HPT line is pretty old at this point from what I can tell. I have used Makitas brushed line and it doesn’t stand a chance against the more modern brushless tools. But the brushless versions they have seem decent but the price is pretty high for what they are.
What about Worx 12v drill line?...
They are brushless...
You should give a try of them...
I’ll look into them.
The new compact Skill tools look nice and an upgrade over this Gen your using… think there listening to people and moving in right direction for mid tear tools
I really only use my impact driver to get screws out and bolts loose.
I went through a period where I used it for almost everything and now I find myself going back to the drill more and more for certain things. They are complimentary tools at the end of the day and there is a decent amount of overlap in what they can do, so it really just comes down to the individual user on what they prefer to use.
This is what i keep saying.. nothing can beat the power of milwaukee when using the same battery voltage, they can beat the m18 with their 36v and 60v but imagine if milwaukee has the same voltage as flexvolt and the 36volts
60v is what MX Fuel is and they can do some pretty impressive stuff with those tools. But at the same time you can fault other companies from choosing to achieve performance through other means like higher voltage batteries. The beauty of todays tool landscape is there a lot of great options and something for everyone.
With the upcoming Milwaukee M18 3602-20 super compact hammer drill and hopefully small pouch cell batteries unveiled this week combined with Dewalts DCF850 impact driver and Powerstack im not sure there’s much future in 12v tools. There’s very little of any difference in size between those I mention and their respective 12v cousins. The performance is of course a world apart.
I think you make a fair point but I don’t I feel that the M12 line especially isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Even with Milwaukee releasing more compact 18v tools and hopefully batteries. The nice thing about having both lines is that you have the choice to pick the one that works for you.
You forgot makita 12 volt brushless the nicest 12 v made
I don’t doubt they aren’t nice to use the but the price and availability of them is a bit ridiculous. Bare tool for the drill and impact I would be at $300 new. And while I am sure they are better than the brushed version that I have used previously I don’t expect they are going to perform better than the newest stuff from Milwaukee.
Before i even watch. 12v lines are dewalt or skil. Depending on needs. Bosch doesn't have a strong hold in the American market and their battery in grip style is atrocious for people with small hands such as myself. And the power to price ratio is abysmal. Skil has more of a line up than DeWalt. I just wish skil would come up with more than a two or four amp hour battery. A 5 amp battery would really help their 5 ½ inch circ saw and higher draw tools.
And before people tell me 12 volt can't do what 18 does. my buddy and I just built a 10'x8' frame as a subfloor for a shed out of pressure treated 2x4 and pressure treated three quarter inch plywood I was able to drive 3 in deck screws and one in 5/8 deck screws perfectly fine with the DeWalt Xtreme 12 volt with a 5 amp hour battery with 1450 inch lbs.
I think that battery selection on the less popular brands will always be an achilles heel. Even on Dewalt, they don't have near the selection that Milwaukee does.
I have started with Bosch 10,8 V, because there were no other brand with such compact drill and impact in 2007. Now I have almost every tool from that line and it's going to cost a fortune to switch to Milwaukee. Dewalt, Skil or any other brand with slide in batteries are meaningless, bacause they lose the main advantage - compactness.
As long as you are okay with the thicker handle I do agree that they are nice in that way.
I find this suspicious, I have a Milwaukee and one of the guys that works with me has the Dewalt and his Dewalt always beats my Milwaukee when we use the same comparable battery, you say you used the same battery on three drills but not on the Milwaukee why and what did you use 🤔
All of these were tested on then 2.0 ah battery. I would recommend running the drill on the larger 4/5/6 ah battery to really unlock its performance though.
I would really suggest taking a look at makitas 12v brushless drill and impact driver, I have the drill and I also have a bosch 12v brushless. Makita is just better in every way, it is not even close, from ergonomics, trigger, selector, power, it can stand on its own, charger is much faster, indicator on the battery.. I could go on lol. I also tested the impact and it also felt really nice.
I have actually owned the 12v brushed Makita kit in the past but not the brushless. Over I thought they were fine but they weren’t as impressive performance wise. They have stopped carrying it around me in any stores so for that reason more than anything I haven’t picked up the brushless stuff. I’m sure it may come to the channel at some point.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah brushless is like third of the power lol, not even close :| and it costs three times less probably haha :D but brushless is really nice, very underrated tool!
Also current prices online for me at Home Depot is $150 bare tool for both the drill driver and the impact driver. The kits are $199 each and they don’t have one with both tools. So while I could get more batteries ultimately I am looking $300-$400 for the bare tools or kits and that’s just stupid pricing for those tools.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah I see. In eu it is not that bad, very similar price as Bosch ones more or less.
I think that you have totally missed the point of the Bosch 12v tools. Sure, the tasks in your tests will determine the most powerful 12v tool. But I wouldn’t grab any 12v tool to do any of those tasks in the real world. They’re all tasks that should be performed by 18v tools, especially if you have to drive those fasteners or drill those holes repeatedly. I don’t own the Skil or Dewalt tools, but I’ve had every generation of the 12v Milwaukee drills and impacts. And I’ve always been struck by how close they are in size and weight to an 18v tool, particularly the drills. There just isn’t any reason for these tools to exist because similarly-sized 18v tools are far more capable. On the other hand, the Bosch 12v tools are not intended to compete with 18v tools. They’re designed to be small and light and more than adequate for certain jobs. When you’re driving small wood screws or 32mm system screws or hanging cabinet, entry, or passage doors all day they work great and are not noticeably slower than more powerful tools.
I get that for some these tools are used in more dedicated light duty tasks as you mention. The testing that we do helps to serve a visual purpose of the difference between the different tools since most people won't be able to try or use all of them. When it comes to Bosch, they are well built tools and the drill isn't a bad tool, but that impact driver is just not great. Even on the lighter duty tasks it was 2x slow as the other tools. And while the price I paid was closer to that of the Skil, normally it's right up there with the Dewalt. So you are paying near top dollar for bottom of the barrel pricing. With Milwaukee, the M12 Fuel Drill used in the video is the smallest and lightest drill that milwaukee sells. That may change when that new compact model M18 model is launched this month, but for now, it's about 1/2" to 1" short than the m18 drills and between 0.5 and 1 lbs lighter (depending on the model).
At the end of the day though, where these tools fall in my ranking may not be the ranking for you. But you now have this piece of info to be informed when making that decision.
12v tools are not it, atleast not for me. If it's a secondary option- then yes they are great. Milwaukee m12 is the best option if you want to just want a one platform, otherwise 12v is not strong enough for tougher tasks.
I agree that if your primary work is bigger more demanding tasks then they aren’t going to be the right choice but I think for a lot of tasks and people they can be perfectly well suited. The skil really impressed me with how well performed especially at the price point.
@@TinkerWithTools yes, skil is definitely stepping up
Bosch should stick to producing dishwashers and windshield wipers...
This wasn’t a good showing from them but they do have other tools that are some of the best in their respective segments.
Dishwashers are over priced as well. Wipers are good!
No hyer tough? Their 12 volt brushless impact driver and drill driver is better than Bosch. I love your videos but this is kind of disappointing.
I’ll add it to the list of tools to bring to the channel at some point. My last experience with hyper tough wasn’t great but I am willing to give them another shot.
@@TinkerWithTools the 12v brushed models with the red triggers are horrible. Definitely gotta try the brushless, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the construction of the tool and it's power.
If you all want a good laugh, compare Makita 12 Volt tools to any other brand. the Makita 12 Volt tools are all garbage.
And if you read through some of the comments some think they are the best ever. I haven’t tried the brushless but i had the brushed version. Wasn’t awful to use but it didn’t have the performance like some of the other 12v lines. Now I don’t go for the brushless mostly because of the price.