The best is when western rifle hunters talk about having to take 500-700 yard or even longer shots because of the terrain… meanwhile western bowhunters are somehow getting 50-70+ yard shots in the same places… and tradbow hunters are magically getting 20 +/- yard shots in the same places (even on the impossible to sneak up on Pronghorn)… it’s gotten ridiculous and disgusting.
I mean it's not really magic, one look at success rates and harvest numbers tells you that the amount of guys that can actually consistently get in bow range of these animals out west is abysmal. I understand that's part of the allure to bowhunting, but I'd never hold it against someone for taking a 60yd shot on a 12 inch target with a modern compound instead of trying to get into 20. There are legitimate times where you cannot get closer to the animals, and some people are practiced enough to take advantage of those opportunities. If it was really about getting as close as possible to the animals before killing them we would all hunt with rocks and spears and run game to exhaustion.
You do have to remember that archery seasons coincide with rutting behavior. Rifle seasons are in post rut sanctuary patterns. Totally different. Also most rifle shots are around 200 yards not 600 and the guys that do shoot that distance generally are capable of doing so.
Been hunting with compound for 24 years. I practice year round from 60-100 yards. I have never taken a deer past 22 yards. Get them close or don’t take the shot.
@@SamkoTradBow this is why I’ve been shopping for an Apache helicopter with FLIR and an a chin mounted auto canon. I’m pretty sure that will improve my odds but the local game managers are still saying I can’t do that. I mean, I do have a pretty deep deficiency in hunting skills to accommodate.
Here in Pa a guy went up in his climber 10 yrds from me even though i let him know i was their. Totally ignored me. So i turned my phone on and played Sinatra until he finally had enough of it. Lol. My hunt was blown that day and so was his. But it was a matter of principle that day. Im not a bone hunter, if i see you i keep it moving, and im their to enjoy the woods and the hunt. And peace lol. But that day, i did it my way lol
Wait you mean we don't need fancy clothes and 100 yard bow shots to kill deer? A lot of social media is misleading to people. Real woodsmanship is dying its replaced by technology in all aspects of hunting or fishing. This is one of the few channels that someone actually knows how to hunt. Not someone sitting on a private farm where they grow 200 inch deer to sell treestands or gear. I appreciate the breath of fresh air.
Thank you!! I’m pretty new to bow hunting, this is my third year now out here in central Michigan. In 3 years I’ve run into all of these issues in some fashion or another on public land. It really bums you out and makes you question if you even want to keep bow hunting. But thank you this just gave me a little boost to keep going. It’s public land and we all get to share it. Shouldn’t let a few bad apples ruin it for me.
And on the Trail Cam Bit, I actually watched Two Dudes fist Fight Last Year at a parking area(Public Land, Ingham County) here in Michigan. UNBELIEVABLE
@@SamkoTradBow hunting down stairs Michigan is INSANE...NO ROOM, trail cam s on every tree, if didn't own 20 acre's in Crawford county I'd probably give it up in Michigan.. The Truth
@MWoodslore spent most of my life in houghton lake and hunting clare to graying. moved to ga 2 years ago. I miss the northern Michigan hunting but being there in the woods for 30 years and see8ng what the bow seasons have turned into is disheartening
😂 right dam boots cost $600! I use the same LL Beans for 20 years and a flannel shirt thrift store wool. Kill as many as them tools with Sitka on! Also agree with them A-Holes with them cameras they should be outlawed on public land and leaving stands should be outlawed!
Good stuff! I think shot distance and shot placement with compound/crossbow drives me up the wall the most. These non lethal head shots with a bow is just crazy , even if it’s on a pesky pig
Western bow hunter here. I try to keep it below 30 yards, past that is bullsh**. I perfer 20 yards, I'm a spot and stalk hunter. It pisses me off seeing or hearing about 50+ yards at animals, get a gun for that. Its amazing that humans have used primitive bows for thousands of years, but suddenly animals wont get closer than 50+ yards.
To some it's easier to be a better shooter to improve hunting success than improve there huntings skills an woodsmanship . I also feel today to get a great harvest is more important than having a great hunting experience and day enjoying God's creation. I remember back when we hunted together with a close friend or family member .....that's no longer because getting that big buck yourself that's much more important. It's very sad what hunting has become for some now days.
Trad bowhunter in Oregon here, and I totally agree. It always blows my mind, to the point of annoyance, how many times I've had a compound guy ask me if I hunt, then ask, "Can you kill with that?" I hunt with a 65 lb @ 28" Jerry Hill longbow I bought in the 90's. I always reply, "It has for hundreds of thousands of years longer than your's has." 🙄 Just another example of people just going along with the technology of the day, and not knowing their history.
@@papajohnsy6659 many do. I can name 20 guys that stalk their western game elk, muleys, bears, and even blacktails with longbows and have a 25 yard max ranger
As a 76 year old shooting a 64 lb long bow for many many many years,only 5 white tail,nothing huge,a 180 lb wild boar ,2 grouse,not in flight,and a 450 lb Black Bear,in 2006,with my long bow!Never,more then 20 to23 yards!I am not Robin Hood,or William Tell,or Ben Pearson,but every moment I spent hunting with my long bow,was a gift from God!Had finches land on my hand,and on my nocked arrow,squirrels on my shoulder,ha a eagle try and land on me,after using a predator call in Canada!Please,get traddional,you will love it!Now I shoot a 50 lb long bow,Cedar arrows,nand made,2 blade,Magnus broad heads!Please don’t over bow,pick a spot,hold,follow through!Good Luck!Thomas A.Filipiak!Palos Hills Illinois!
Took a 30yd shot with a compound 65lb draw wt very accurate set up with 125gr muzzy at a small deer standing still. Deer turned around while arrow was in flight & muzzy entered rear ham & cut the femoral artery. Luckily deer went down in sight. I've since dropped my maximum to no more than 25yds, 15-18 yds with my recurve. I'm a decent shot but too much can happen at longer ranges
Took a 15 yard shot at a young buck w compound once, deer jumped up, swapping ends, his legs hit the arrow in fight and sent the arrow spinning across the ground . Kung Fu deer.
shooting @ live game is a lot different than shooting 3d targets that never move. Just cuz you can hit the kill zone 5 out of 5 times @40yds means nothing in the real hunting world. Thanks for your vids you do a great job and good hunting to you
U are absolutely right Jason. I gotta become more aggressive when it comes to hunting public. I mark every permanent tree stand in onX and stay clear of those areas. I gotta start thinking different and stop being scared of bumping into other hunters lol
Great video! I remember when you were doing podcasts, I suggested doing one on things that piss you off. I’m so happy to see you make this video and I hope there are 100’s of episodes to come! Great job!
I just purchased 6 of the 250gr razors. My arrow setup is gonna be ~720 gr and 22%foc out of a 50lb@ 29" bow. Absolute overkill but it's gonna be awesome 😂 350gr upfront
I pretty much 1000% align with your thought on this stuff, and will add 1 more.... 4 wheel drivers tearing up access roads after leaving the local watering hole at night or in evening prime hunting hours, tearing up the roads and at times making them no longer passable routes with standard pickups/suvs...
Man you hit the nail on the head with this video! Ive hunted a farm for nearly 40 yrs and the farmer is very kind hearted so when a couple of young guns with jacked up trucks and stickers on the back window approached him and asked to hunt he said ok. Well as the season went in id scout around and i noticed a dam camera just everywhere and also tons of stands. Well its not my land but this pissed me off when one day i asked the farmer if i could put a stand near an alfalfa field, he said go right ahead. Well i walked back in the and there was 3 cameras watching this field. I told myself hell with it im hunting this field. So the next day i came back with a ladder stand and picked a spot and ill be damed it there was a stand in there. He had seen me on camera scouting and thought i better get one in there to mark my territory. Well went back to the farm house talked to the farmer and he said lets take a ride. He gets hid golf cart out and i hope on with him and he made a point to drive by every camera i knew of. The next evening i was in my stand early. About 2 hours before dark, here comes the young gun all dressed up in his gear and gadgets, looked like a super hero. I let him get to his stand and i walked up to him and said im covering this area. He said well i have this stand up, i said yes ive got one up to not 15 yds from his he got all pissy and i told him if he had anything else to say he was supposed to go chat with the owner. So he took me up on that, well hes not there any longer some of these new way hunters come to a spot plaster their crap up and claim the whloe forest. Well i ranted long enough but im glad im far along in my hunting career cuz i sure csnt stand where its going!!!
Well said and I see the same all over public too. I wish all cameras were banned. Nothing worse than cameras and the people that assume they own a spot because it has a camera in it
I agree 100%, I had to let two of the best archery bucks I’ve ever been close to over the past two years because of trad equipment. I had multiple encounters with these two bucks, I could have easily taken out my compound and most likely taken both of them. I didn’t because I wanted them with my longbow. To me it’s called discipline and loving what you do. 5yds can and will make or break a hunt, but so be it.
I just subscribed because I agree 100% with everything you said. My max yards with my recurve is 16yds because thats my effective range. Thats why its called hunting and not killing. Get em in close. And the toilet paper works great for everything...one of my most important gear items. Thanks for the great video and keep em coming!! 👍
My 47th trad bow season is on! 90% of my kills are within 6-15 yards. 20 is my limit on a live animal. 63 yards is my farthest shot,44 years ago. Hey, I was a kid! Killed 205lb. 8 point on my third shot,from a treestand...aiming up! 45lb. Bear Grizzly...2117 game getters.
I passed on 5 does yesterday. Because of my standards. I won’t shoot my crossbow or my cam bows past 30 yards . Even though my crossbow could do it there’s to many variables. And I don’t want to wound one that dies days later in 100deg Texas heat
Amen. And don’t get upset when there’s 5000 acres behind the gate and I park there with you. I try to be cordial and talk to people so I don’t get on top of them.
Jason, another great video. I agree with you 100% on everything you mentioned. I’ve been hunting for 50 years and never experienced many of the things you mentioned until more recently (last 15 years or so). I think part of it is the significant increase in the number of hunters who did not learn about hunting and how to hunt like we did years ago. Many people don’t want to put in the work. They want instant gratification through the use of more technology versus improving their woodsmanship. Thanks for sharing.
I don’t shoot my trad bow at animals past 15 yards. I’d consider a 20 yard shot if it ever presented itself and the stars aligned; however, I’ve never needed to. With my compound my max is 30
Beautiful porch. I would not consider anything longer than 40 yards out west. 20-25 yards for whitetail with my compound. i was guilty of the flagging tape way back before i was able to get a gps. now i use mapping software.
I’m a forester and we flag the sale boundaries before we paint them. You probably out there tearing down some foresters boundary flagging haha. It happens all the time the flagging mysteriously disappears.
That is never do. I k ow the difference. But I am glad others are pulling flagging tape! Just sorry it's stuff you need to do your work. I should say i don't think I've ever pulled forestry flagging.
2:29 OK. To be fair. In the spirit of call a spade a spade... Traditional Bowhunting was absolutely not about getting close. Spear hunting required you to get close. Spear throwing allowed you some more distance, but Bowhunting allowed you much greater accuracy at much greater distance. Bowhunting has always been about greatest possible accuracy, and greatest possible effective range. Bowhunting has always been about bringing home more meat for your family, Tribe, etc. Being able to accurately strike an animal, with lethal force, at 'long range', meant feeding your Tribe. Doing so at ranges that were not reliably effective with a Spear. It is only in the modern world, with rifles... Giving us extremely accurate Ballistics at extremely long ranges, That we can say that for some people, the modern sport of Bowhunting, is about getting closer to the animal (closer than necessary with a rifle.)
My deer hunts in the high plains open country west start at 50 yards………guys come out here from the east and wound our elk continuously from under 40 yards……
Agreed. On longer shots, it's about discipline. You have to have pre-decided to not take those shots. But like with expandable heads, people are sold a story that just isn't true on the average. And any single person can justify making dumb decisions on the merits of past success (luck) and confuse it for good judgment. I've even overheard a bow shop owner brag about an 80-yard shot on a deer. To be fair, I get the appeal & why we want to believe that story. Our bowhunter success rates out here are around 3% and even rifle hunters average around 7%. A good hunter may only get one shot opportunity per year & that's it. Most would be grateful to even see that. We don't have whitetails. Our blacktails and mulies don't even follow regular patterns and keep a very wide home range. It's tough to finally see them and then just watch them walk away without at least trying. When you softly bump them, they often stop & turn around right around 40-50 yards to see what spooked them. It's like they're tempting you to take a shot. So without a pre-made decision & the discipline to stick to it, people are going to get twitchy & take whatever dumb shot they were given. A caveat on using TP to mark trails. Yes, it works. Yes, it degrades faster than flagging tape. But it will be there for a couple of years in many cases here in the West. Our summers and fall are just too dry (
I agree, Ill never take a shot past 30 yards. I'm using a high end top of the line compound and all my money shots are 25 yards. There's to much of a risk taking those low percentage shots at big deer with unethical long range shots.
I've only ever met one person that had truly foul intentions, most of the time when you run into people you get the area of what they're hunting in and you go somewhere different. But this guy was trying to find out where you were hunting so he could go hunt it, but the thing is in that particular piece of public land you're not allowed in there until an hour and a half before shooting light and while I'm sitting at the gate waiting for legal time to go in, he comes by me an hour before you're legally allowed to be in the WMA. So when I get to where I usually park my truck his truck was parked there. I didn't really think much of it figured he was probably hunting the other side. So I start walking to my tree stand and when I get there he's sitting in in my tree stand. So I called and reported him. Had a game warden come out there
I’m always picking up trash and taking down old brittle flagging tape on public land. I even think tacks should be removed. If they are old and starting to rust I take them out. Gotta big jar filled with them 😂
Man, I hunt with a compound also I've been taking up traditional but I still hunt with a compound but even then I will not shoot a deer over 35 yd and I have my system absolutely tuned. There's too much I can go wrong over that distance. Even shooting an arrow 272 FPS
When I shoot my compound bow I shoot only 20 yards and closer and when I hunt with my traditional and shoot my traditional bow I only shoot 10-12 yards only 😊
I think you have the east and west guys taking long shots backwards. We don't have pronghorn, mulies, or elk in the east. Those are the guys taking the 70yd shots. (For the most part)
60-80yds on deer is nuts!!! On a moose or an elk 60 is reasonable to me in a standing shot in the open like a cutting, meadow or swale. Moose and Elk don’t jump the string like a deer. However never hunted elk but been on 60+ moose hunts and most moose you’ll be able to get them in closer in fact 50yds and in better then 50% of the time. Again on deer I keep it under 40yds with my compound and even then in the woods I’ll cut that down to 30yds. Trad bow this yr 20yds but setting up for 15-18yds. I look at this like these shows where they are killing deer at 400-600yds. with their guns. Think it’s cool you can shoot that far but I like to see an animal more personally even when gun hunting. However like something else we all have our opinions and everyone’s into different things.
Your Nem Nem Nem Nem Nah guy is hilarious. Hey maybe we can round them up and pay them $5 an hour to run our boat shipping docks for next few weeks so we have food.
40 yards max max max. And even then it’s touchy. I shoot 30 and under. Could I hit 40? Yes. Do deer move? Do deer drop? Are there stick ups and twigs that you don’t notice? Wind? Too many variables
Well, I’m trying to get where I can put every arrow on top of the last at 40 yards in preparation to be able to hunt at 20 yards someday. I’d prefer to be able to put everything in a six inch circle at 60-80 yards, but I don’t have that practice range just now. This is exactly like the guys who practice long range shooting who think they should be shooting at game animals at 500-800 yards. No, you shouldn’t, for a multitude of reasons.
@@SamkoTradBowyes, that’s what I meant. The problem comes from thinking that there aren’t other circumstances that intervene while hunting that indicate that you’ll be better off taking your long range skills and pulling in that range a lot. Obviously you know this, but I think a lot of people think that because they make that long range shot every day and twice on Sunday that means they’re good to go on game at that same range. They don’t calculate flight time of the projectile (bullet or arrow) and what that animal might do in that time interval. Also, they don’t calculate how the stress of taking a shot at a game animal might degrade your skills. I still find myself forgetting about my left hand grip and how that can affect my horizontal shot placement and that’s on the practice range. I’m not at that automatic competence yet.
Look into the hunt quietly podcast. I urge you for ethical views on hunting and preventing the degradation of the animals and your fellow man. I think it goes well with this video
What other people do is none of my business. If we place limits on ourselves that is fine but, we can't expect others to hold to the same standards. As long as it is legal, the ethics is up to the individual.
Love it. I thought i was the only one who tore down flagging tape. Had a guy sit 50 yards from my daughter and I during youth season this year. I flashed him asked him to move on. He said: " I am not moving bud" What a great example. Another pet peeve to add to your list is abdoned tree stands, chopping trees up to fit your ladder stand, pooping in the parking lots
@MichiganDragonSlayer or better yet I would of said ok! To him and stayed right there too and turned on rap music on my cell phone full blast and yook a nap for an hour to see if he left
Dude, I love that shirt. Edit: I hear ya. There are very few people on this Earth who actually take those ELR archery shots. Josh Bowmar is a perfect example. He is capable of it, but at the same time, how many times has he missed or wounded an animal and not posted it to his channel? Then, I have seen John Dudley, who is very capable out to distance, hold on an Elk standing broadside at 60 yards and decide not to shoot because he just did not feel comfortable. As far public goes, you are right. First come, first served.
Lol! Nim nim nyoung nim! Translated " I just got into the country illegally and I'm poaching here." Please leave! lol I have the same pet peeves. Even in a club (let's just say the Paradise for example), the whole acreage was open to anyone in the club. The club president was adamant about this. The rule was that if you came to hunt, you could hang two stands. The first one to place their pin in the pin board had priority over a spot. He said if you find a stand hanging in the woods and nobody is in camp you could hunt it, or sell it. lol
Agreed 100% sure dunno how early days hunters ever killed anything. Now it's all about the kill. Not how you did it. Woodsmanship is vanishing rifle shots with bow add in all gadgets to make em able to shoot bow quickly. Stabilizer release kisser button peepsite on n on. No skill left. Been shooting since I was 8-10 yrs old. I've seen a decline in true skill replaced with cheap ego. Just my opinion. More impressed with close up where you beat your prey at his game.
Hunting has become a lost art replaced by tree fairys executing animals over bait. G.Fred Asbell wrote a great book called Stalking & Still -Hunting. If you read it it could incite the hunting instinct in you if the kill is not the only important thing to you. I know this is a controversial statement but I don't care.
"Long" shots I understand some, everyone has their limit, I guess if you take it too far we either shoot them with crossbows at 150yds or kill them with our bare hands after running them down, the public land thing confuses me though. 1, you want to hunt where other people are hunting? If I see a stand and a bunch of cameras, unless something specifically tells me that it's a rifle season setup I'm steering at least 2-400yds clear. I don't want to intrude on their spots, and if someone else is hunting an area who's to say they haven't spooked everything out of there? And who even knows what kind of person is hunting it. It might be some 12 year old boy and his grandpa going on their first hunt together in a stand they picked out 3 months ago 2, you have no issue hunting 20yds from someone's stand and shooing them away if they come in to hunt, but what do you do if they don't leave? If it's not their spot, then it's not your spot, and if they go in their stand 20yds up the trail and shoot the buck before it gets to your stand what do you say? "I was here first it's my spot"?
@@papajohnsy6659 public land is public land and if I find a spot with a hot feed tree that I want to set up on and there's another standard I'm going to hunt it if that guy has a camera they're too bad if that tree is hot and dropping acorns and I got a lot of sign under and I want to be there I'm going to set up if he chooses to come in while I'm there I will wave him away if he doesn't want to leave and wants to set up 20 yards away from me then I will either move myself or to piss him off I will sit there and play my play rap music on my cell phone at full blast and just call the night a wash just to prove to him that I don't play around the rule on public land is first come first serve to a spot plain and simple
Who the Hell shoots at an Animal With a Bow at almost a Football feild Length.. I've been slinging Arrows since 1984...30 yards was the Max...and i was young and stupid at 30 yards..
@MWoodslore times have changed and brought out the lazy side of the hunters today and they justify it by saying "you can't get closer" yet every year so many people do get closer
Once you hunt somewhere that is dominated by folks who run dogs for deer through your property every weekend and shoot at the deer running from their truck while your in the woods which buckshot whizzing by, it’s hard to get upset about folks who use crossbows, bait, use trail cams, whatever. But please people take ethical shots. As a hunter, your gift to the animal is a peaceful death that nature would not provide.
The best is when western rifle hunters talk about having to take 500-700 yard or even longer shots because of the terrain… meanwhile western bowhunters are somehow getting 50-70+ yard shots in the same places… and tradbow hunters are magically getting 20 +/- yard shots in the same places (even on the impossible to sneak up on Pronghorn)… it’s gotten ridiculous and disgusting.
@masonoutdoors_masonleather agree 100. Pure laziness in my opinion. But my opinion is just that, my opinion and means nothing
I mean it's not really magic, one look at success rates and harvest numbers tells you that the amount of guys that can actually consistently get in bow range of these animals out west is abysmal. I understand that's part of the allure to bowhunting, but I'd never hold it against someone for taking a 60yd shot on a 12 inch target with a modern compound instead of trying to get into 20. There are legitimate times where you cannot get closer to the animals, and some people are practiced enough to take advantage of those opportunities. If it was really about getting as close as possible to the animals before killing them we would all hunt with rocks and spears and run game to exhaustion.
It's always the same 95% of hunters who kill all the deer.
You are talking about snipers not hunters out west.
You do have to remember that archery seasons coincide with rutting behavior. Rifle seasons are in post rut sanctuary patterns. Totally different. Also most rifle shots are around 200 yards not 600 and the guys that do shoot that distance generally are capable of doing so.
Samko Trad Bow, the get off my lawn episode. I love it. Preach on!
@@llamawizard 😂😂
Been hunting with compound for 24 years. I practice year round from 60-100 yards. I have never taken a deer past 22 yards. Get them close or don’t take the shot.
Love it
People will always try to use gear to make up for their lack of hunting ability.
@@davetoms63 very true
@@SamkoTradBow this is why I’ve been shopping for an Apache helicopter with FLIR and an a chin mounted auto canon. I’m pretty sure that will improve my odds but the local game managers are still saying I can’t do that. I mean, I do have a pretty deep deficiency in hunting skills to accommodate.
@@jameswhitaker1324 😂
Here in Pa a guy went up in his climber 10 yrds from me even though i let him know i was their. Totally ignored me. So i turned my phone on and played Sinatra until he finally had enough of it. Lol.
My hunt was blown that day and so was his. But it was a matter of principle that day. Im not a bone hunter, if i see you i keep it moving, and im their to enjoy the woods and the hunt. And peace lol. But that day, i did it my way lol
@@monte4150 love it. And stealing that idea
My biggest pet peeve is finding beer cans in the woods. Always find them after gun season. I’ll never understand it.
@@LizardKing513 great one! Very annoying
Wait you mean we don't need fancy clothes and 100 yard bow shots to kill deer? A lot of social media is misleading to people. Real woodsmanship is dying its replaced by technology in all aspects of hunting or fishing. This is one of the few channels that someone actually knows how to hunt. Not someone sitting on a private farm where they grow 200 inch deer to sell treestands or gear. I appreciate the breath of fresh air.
@@ericandresen1857 thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
@@SamkoTradBowSam can you tell me of some good books of how to stalk deer or other game
@user-tw8ov Fred asbell has a booked called ground hunting and stalking that is amazing
This is one of your best videos ever!
@@JimPrincipi-oy5ni glad ypu enjoyed it
Thank you!! I’m pretty new to bow hunting, this is my third year now out here in central Michigan. In 3 years I’ve run into all of these issues in some fashion or another on public land. It really bums you out and makes you question if you even want to keep bow hunting. But thank you this just gave me a little boost to keep going. It’s public land and we all get to share it. Shouldn’t let a few bad apples ruin it for me.
@alanward4072 well said. And yes, there are alot of bad apples. The world in general is full of them today
And on the Trail Cam Bit, I actually watched Two Dudes fist Fight Last Year at a parking area(Public Land, Ingham County) here in Michigan. UNBELIEVABLE
@@MWoodslore people are disgusting
@@SamkoTradBow hunting down stairs Michigan is INSANE...NO ROOM, trail cam s on every tree, if didn't own 20 acre's in Crawford county I'd probably give it up in Michigan..
The Truth
@MWoodslore not sure i agree with much of what Michigan dnr has done in the last 5 years.
@MWoodslore spent most of my life in houghton lake and hunting clare to graying. moved to ga 2 years ago. I miss the northern Michigan hunting but being there in the woods for 30 years and see8ng what the bow seasons have turned into is disheartening
The whole technical outdoor clothing trend drives me nuts! Guys going out wearing $2000 just in gear and apparel is ridiculous
Yep it's now more of a status symbol to keep up with the jones
😂 right dam boots cost $600! I use the same LL Beans for 20 years and a flannel shirt thrift store wool. Kill as many as them tools with Sitka on! Also agree with them A-Holes with them cameras they should be outlawed on public land and leaving stands should be outlawed!
Good stuff! I think shot distance and shot placement with compound/crossbow drives me up the wall the most. These non lethal head shots with a bow is just crazy , even if it’s on a pesky pig
agree
Western bow hunter here. I try to keep it below 30 yards, past that is bullsh**. I perfer 20 yards, I'm a spot and stalk hunter. It pisses me off seeing or hearing about 50+ yards at animals, get a gun for that. Its amazing that humans have used primitive bows for thousands of years, but suddenly animals wont get closer than 50+ yards.
@@christopherconnelly6912 love hearing this
To some it's easier to be a better shooter to improve hunting success than improve there huntings skills an woodsmanship . I also feel today to get a great harvest is more important than having a great hunting experience and day enjoying God's creation. I remember back when we hunted together with a close friend or family member .....that's no longer because getting that big buck yourself that's much more important. It's very sad what hunting has become for some now days.
@@jamesmaples7493 agree
Trad bowhunter in Oregon here, and I totally agree. It always blows my mind, to the point of annoyance, how many times I've had a compound guy ask me if I hunt, then ask, "Can you kill with that?" I hunt with a 65 lb @ 28" Jerry Hill longbow I bought in the 90's. I always reply, "It has for hundreds of thousands of years longer than your's has." 🙄
Just another example of people just going along with the technology of the day, and not knowing their history.
So then why don't you hunt by running game down persistence style like we actually used to at the beginnings of human hunting
@Schlitzy agree 100%. I k ow many western bowhunters that are fed up with the "western bowhunting mentality now that you have to shoot 100 yards".
@@papajohnsy6659 many do. I can name 20 guys that stalk their western game elk, muleys, bears, and even blacktails with longbows and have a 25 yard max ranger
As a 76 year old shooting a 64 lb long bow for many many many years,only 5 white tail,nothing huge,a 180 lb wild boar ,2 grouse,not in flight,and a 450 lb Black Bear,in 2006,with my long bow!Never,more then 20 to23 yards!I am not Robin Hood,or William Tell,or Ben Pearson,but every moment I spent hunting with my long bow,was a gift from God!Had finches land on my hand,and on my nocked arrow,squirrels on my shoulder,ha a eagle try and land on me,after using a predator call in Canada!Please,get traddional,you will love it!Now I shoot a 50 lb long bow,Cedar arrows,nand made,2 blade,Magnus broad heads!Please don’t over bow,pick a spot,hold,follow through!Good Luck!Thomas A.Filipiak!Palos Hills Illinois!
@@tomfilipiak3511 love it! That's what it's all about
Took a 30yd shot with a compound 65lb draw wt very accurate set up with 125gr muzzy at a small deer standing still. Deer turned around while arrow was in flight & muzzy entered rear ham & cut the femoral artery. Luckily deer went down in sight. I've since dropped my maximum to no more than 25yds, 15-18 yds with my recurve. I'm a decent shot but too much can happen at longer ranges
Took a 15 yard shot at a young buck w compound once, deer jumped up, swapping ends, his legs hit the arrow in fight and sent the arrow spinning across the ground . Kung Fu deer.
@keithreese9636 yep the can move so fast.
shooting @ live game is a lot different than shooting 3d targets that never move. Just cuz you can hit the kill zone 5 out of 5 times @40yds means nothing in the real hunting world. Thanks for your vids you do a great job and good hunting to you
@@keithreese9636 agree 100%. And thank you
Thanks for the info on the "my spot" hunted private my whole life. Now I am taking on public, and it's nerve-racking how the etiquette is
U are absolutely right Jason. I gotta become more aggressive when it comes to hunting public. I mark every permanent tree stand in onX and stay clear of those areas. I gotta start thinking different and stop being scared of bumping into other hunters lol
Yep on public running into others is pretty common
Great video! I remember when you were doing podcasts, I suggested doing one on things that piss you off. I’m so happy to see you make this video and I hope there are 100’s of episodes to come! Great job!
@toddwihunter6642 thanks. Will do a few more
I just purchased 6 of the 250gr razors. My arrow setup is gonna be ~720 gr and 22%foc out of a 50lb@ 29" bow. Absolute overkill but it's gonna be awesome 😂 350gr upfront
@@davisstellman outstanding
Couldn’t agree more with everything . Especially with the claiming a spot on public.
I pretty much 1000% align with your thought on this stuff, and will add 1 more....
4 wheel drivers tearing up access roads after leaving the local watering hole at night or in evening prime hunting hours, tearing up the roads and at times making them no longer passable routes with standard pickups/suvs...
@JohnBuchin excellent point. And that is so annoying to deal with rutted out roads and stupid donuts at every intersection
Man you hit the nail on the head with this video! Ive hunted a farm for nearly 40 yrs and the farmer is very kind hearted so when a couple of young guns with jacked up trucks and stickers on the back window approached him and asked to hunt he said ok. Well as the season went in id scout around and i noticed a dam camera just everywhere and also tons of stands. Well its not my land but this pissed me off when one day i asked the farmer if i could put a stand near an alfalfa field, he said go right ahead. Well i walked back in the and there was 3 cameras watching this field. I told myself hell with it im hunting this field. So the next day i came back with a ladder stand and picked a spot and ill be damed it there was a stand in there. He had seen me on camera scouting and thought i better get one in there to mark my territory. Well went back to the farm house talked to the farmer and he said lets take a ride. He gets hid golf cart out and i hope on with him and he made a point to drive by every camera i knew of. The next evening i was in my stand early. About 2 hours before dark, here comes the young gun all dressed up in his gear and gadgets, looked like a super hero. I let him get to his stand and i walked up to him and said im covering this area. He said well i have this stand up, i said yes ive got one up to not 15 yds from his he got all pissy and i told him if he had anything else to say he was supposed to go chat with the owner. So he took me up on that, well hes not there any longer some of these new way hunters come to a spot plaster their crap up and claim the whloe forest. Well i ranted long enough but im glad im far along in my hunting career cuz i sure csnt stand where its going!!!
Well said and I see the same all over public too. I wish all cameras were banned. Nothing worse than cameras and the people that assume they own a spot because it has a camera in it
I agee! I see some states are starting to limit cameras and i too hope it leads to sn all out ban on them!
I agree 100%, I had to let two of the best archery bucks I’ve ever been close to over the past two years because of trad equipment. I had multiple encounters with these two bucks, I could have easily taken out my compound and most likely taken both of them. I didn’t because I wanted them with my longbow. To me it’s called discipline and loving what you do. 5yds can and will make or break a hunt, but so be it.
@robertongradi1567 love this and agree. My walls would have 50 more p and y deer if I was shooting a compound. But you said it perfect. "Discipline "
Let them get close. Last couple kills have been at 4 yards 10 yards.
@@chriswood3390 agree
I just subscribed because I agree 100% with everything you said. My max yards with my recurve is 16yds because thats my effective range. Thats why its called hunting and not killing. Get em in close. And the toilet paper works great for everything...one of my most important gear items. Thanks for the great video and keep em coming!! 👍
@dannybyrdjr919 thanks for the sub and glad you enjoyed the video
It has always amazed me at how many "All Knowing Experts" there are in the hunting world!!
My 47th trad bow season is on! 90% of my kills are within 6-15 yards. 20 is my limit on a live animal. 63 yards is my farthest shot,44 years ago. Hey, I was a kid! Killed 205lb. 8 point on my third shot,from a treestand...aiming up!
45lb. Bear Grizzly...2117 game getters.
@@timhatfield6367 love it! Cheers to an amazing 47th
I passed on 5 does yesterday. Because of my standards. I won’t shoot my crossbow or my cam bows past 30 yards . Even though my crossbow could do it there’s to many variables. And I don’t want to wound one that dies days later in 100deg Texas heat
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 live hearing this. And the experience makes you a better hunter than pulling the trigger does
Amen. And don’t get upset when there’s 5000 acres behind the gate and I park there with you. I try to be cordial and talk to people so I don’t get on top of them.
agree 100%
Jason, another great video. I agree with you 100% on everything you mentioned. I’ve been hunting for 50 years and never experienced many of the things you mentioned until more recently (last 15 years or so). I think part of it is the significant increase in the number of hunters who did not learn about hunting and how to hunt like we did years ago. Many people don’t want to put in the work. They want instant gratification through the use of more technology versus improving their woodsmanship. Thanks for sharing.
@@mattsweet7918 agree 100
I hear the same 60 and even 80 yard necessity on tundra caribou and yet the first 3 I have seen harvested up here were inside 20.
@peterweikel7123 yep hunted caribou as well. Even in the wide open managed to get inside of 20 multiple times and fill tags.
I don’t shoot my trad bow at animals past 15 yards. I’d consider a 20 yard shot if it ever presented itself and the stars aligned; however, I’ve never needed to.
With my compound my max is 30
@@BustedLimbOutdoors perfect
Beautiful porch. I would not consider anything longer than 40 yards out west. 20-25 yards for whitetail with my compound. i was guilty of the flagging tape way back before i was able to get a gps. now i use mapping software.
Love the close distance discipline! The mapping systems make things much easier
I’m a forester and we flag the sale boundaries before we paint them. You probably out there tearing down some foresters boundary flagging haha. It happens all the time the flagging mysteriously disappears.
That is never do. I k ow the difference. But I am glad others are pulling flagging tape! Just sorry it's stuff you need to do your work. I should say i don't think I've ever pulled forestry flagging.
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OK.
To be fair. In the spirit of call a spade a spade...
Traditional Bowhunting was absolutely not about getting close.
Spear hunting required you to get close. Spear throwing allowed you some more distance, but Bowhunting allowed you much greater accuracy at much greater distance.
Bowhunting has always been about greatest possible accuracy, and greatest possible effective range.
Bowhunting has always been about bringing home more meat for your family, Tribe, etc.
Being able to accurately strike an animal, with lethal force, at 'long range', meant feeding your Tribe.
Doing so at ranges that were not reliably effective with a Spear.
It is only in the modern world, with rifles... Giving us extremely accurate Ballistics at extremely long ranges,
That we can say that for some people, the modern sport of Bowhunting, is about getting closer to the animal (closer than necessary with a rifle.)
My deer hunts in the high plains open country west start at 50 yards………guys come out here from the east and wound our elk continuously from under 40 yards……
Agreed. On longer shots, it's about discipline. You have to have pre-decided to not take those shots. But like with expandable heads, people are sold a story that just isn't true on the average. And any single person can justify making dumb decisions on the merits of past success (luck) and confuse it for good judgment. I've even overheard a bow shop owner brag about an 80-yard shot on a deer. To be fair, I get the appeal & why we want to believe that story. Our bowhunter success rates out here are around 3% and even rifle hunters average around 7%. A good hunter may only get one shot opportunity per year & that's it. Most would be grateful to even see that. We don't have whitetails. Our blacktails and mulies don't even follow regular patterns and keep a very wide home range. It's tough to finally see them and then just watch them walk away without at least trying. When you softly bump them, they often stop & turn around right around 40-50 yards to see what spooked them. It's like they're tempting you to take a shot. So without a pre-made decision & the discipline to stick to it, people are going to get twitchy & take whatever dumb shot they were given. A caveat on using TP to mark trails. Yes, it works. Yes, it degrades faster than flagging tape. But it will be there for a couple of years in many cases here in the West. Our summers and fall are just too dry (
I agree, Ill never take a shot past 30 yards. I'm using a high end top of the line compound and all my money shots are 25 yards. There's to much of a risk taking those low percentage shots at big deer with unethical long range shots.
@@DonnyBanzz love hearing this
I am pitiful on shot distance. I guess in a good way. If I have to worry about arrow drop and aiming high, then I don’t shoot anymore.
Perfect
I've only ever met one person that had truly foul intentions, most of the time when you run into people you get the area of what they're hunting in and you go somewhere different. But this guy was trying to find out where you were hunting so he could go hunt it, but the thing is in that particular piece of public land you're not allowed in there until an hour and a half before shooting light and while I'm sitting at the gate waiting for legal time to go in, he comes by me an hour before you're legally allowed to be in the WMA. So when I get to where I usually park my truck his truck was parked there. I didn't really think much of it figured he was probably hunting the other side. So I start walking to my tree stand and when I get there he's sitting in in my tree stand. So I called and reported him. Had a game warden come out there
@yabba5696 yep i would never hunted a person stand. I'd hang a stand right by it though😂
@@SamkoTradBow haha absolutely! And My biggest complaint in the woods is people leaving their damn trash, here in North Central Florida it's sickening
@yabba5696 same here in ga and was the same when I lived in Michigan. People are slobs
10/10 toilet paper idea
@@andrewtalamas degrades quick and serves it purpose for a hunting spot
I’m always picking up trash and taking down old brittle flagging tape on public land. I even think tacks should be removed. If they are old and starting to rust I take them out. Gotta big jar filled with them 😂
perfect. and agree
Man, I hunt with a compound also I've been taking up traditional but I still hunt with a compound but even then I will not shoot a deer over 35 yd and I have my system absolutely tuned. There's too much I can go wrong over that distance. Even shooting an arrow 272 FPS
When I shoot my compound bow I shoot only 20 yards and closer and when I hunt with my traditional and shoot my traditional bow I only shoot 10-12 yards only 😊
Perfect zones
I knew before I watched this video that I was going to totally agree with you! Amen, brother!
@smoothvern165 glad you enjoyed it
Hunter Ethics
Good solid complaints! I agree with you!
I saw more trail cameras in the mountains this year than I ever have. I got my photo made plenty of times!
@@gunghobows yep times are changing!
Flagging tape and cat eyes
Come on preach!.👏👏👏🤣😂
Absolutely right info man!!!. Good stuff!.
@caseymclamb5890 glad you enjoyed it
I think you have the east and west guys taking long shots backwards. We don't have pronghorn, mulies, or elk in the east. Those are the guys taking the 70yd shots. (For the most part)
We have eastern deer hunters shooting deer at 50 yards and western bowhunters shooting pronghorn at 100.
This should be a weekly episode. Tyrant Thursdays
@@JeremyFriebel 😂😂
60-80yds on deer is nuts!!! On a moose or an elk 60 is reasonable to me in a standing shot in the open like a cutting, meadow or swale. Moose and Elk don’t jump the string like a deer. However never hunted elk but been on 60+ moose hunts and most moose you’ll be able to get them in closer in fact 50yds and in better then 50% of the time. Again on deer I keep it under 40yds with my compound and even then in the woods I’ll cut that down to 30yds. Trad bow this yr 20yds but setting up for 15-18yds. I look at this like these shows where they are killing deer at 400-600yds. with their guns. Think it’s cool you can shoot that far but I like to see an animal more personally even when gun hunting. However like something else we all have our opinions and everyone’s into different things.
@@pathfinder5804 great points
Spot on !
@@raymondkoehler9299 glad you enjoyed
Could not agree more!
@@kennethwilt8402 glad you enjoyed it
Your Nem Nem Nem Nem Nah guy is hilarious. Hey maybe we can round them up and pay them $5 an hour to run our boat shipping docks for next few weeks so we have food.
😂😂 was best impression i had. This dock strike is gonna be brutal
I love it. Don't ever apologize for your beliefs. If it hurts their feelings, tough s#&#
@@davidpayne5235 glad you enjoyed it
40 yards max max max. And even then it’s touchy. I shoot 30 and under. Could I hit 40? Yes. Do deer move? Do deer drop? Are there stick ups and twigs that you don’t notice? Wind? Too many variables
Love this. Spot on
Well, I’m trying to get where I can put every arrow on top of the last at 40 yards in preparation to be able to hunt at 20 yards someday. I’d prefer to be able to put everything in a six inch circle at 60-80 yards, but I don’t have that practice range just now.
This is exactly like the guys who practice long range shooting who think they should be shooting at game animals at 500-800 yards. No, you shouldn’t, for a multitude of reasons.
@@jameswhitaker1324 nothing wrong with wong range practice! It makes the hunting ranges feel like chip shots
@@SamkoTradBowyes, that’s what I meant. The problem comes from thinking that there aren’t other circumstances that intervene while hunting that indicate that you’ll be better off taking your long range skills and pulling in that range a lot. Obviously you know this, but I think a lot of people think that because they make that long range shot every day and twice on Sunday that means they’re good to go on game at that same range. They don’t calculate flight time of the projectile (bullet or arrow) and what that animal might do in that time interval. Also, they don’t calculate how the stress of taking a shot at a game animal might degrade your skills. I still find myself forgetting about my left hand grip and how that can affect my horizontal shot placement and that’s on the practice range. I’m not at that automatic competence yet.
@@jameswhitaker1324 very well said
Look into the hunt quietly podcast. I urge you for ethical views on hunting and preventing the degradation of the animals and your fellow man. I think it goes well with this video
What other people do is none of my business. If we place limits on ourselves that is fine but, we can't expect others to hold to the same standards. As long as it is legal, the ethics is up to the individual.
@@UncleDanBand64 that is true. But I can also piss me off at the same time
@SamkoTradBow Yes sir. Especially the public land deal.
Love it. I thought i was the only one who tore down flagging tape. Had a guy sit 50 yards from my daughter and I during youth season this year. I flashed him asked him to move on. He said: " I am not moving bud" What a great example.
Another pet peeve to add to your list is abdoned tree stands, chopping trees up to fit your ladder stand, pooping in the parking lots
@MichiganDragonSlayer or better yet I would of said ok! To him and stayed right there too and turned on rap music on my cell phone full blast and yook a nap for an hour to see if he left
Dude, I love that shirt. Edit: I hear ya. There are very few people on this Earth who actually take those ELR archery shots. Josh Bowmar is a perfect example. He is capable of it, but at the same time, how many times has he missed or wounded an animal and not posted it to his channel? Then, I have seen John Dudley, who is very capable out to distance, hold on an Elk standing broadside at 60 yards and decide not to shoot because he just did not feel comfortable. As far public goes, you are right. First come, first served.
@@michaelvstheworld3680 great points and examples
I agree with you one hundred percent on all of what you just said
@@JamesHarper-lj4lx glad you enjoyed it
Lol! Nim nim nyoung nim! Translated " I just got into the country illegally and I'm poaching here." Please leave! lol I have the same pet peeves. Even in a club (let's just say the Paradise for example), the whole acreage was open to anyone in the club. The club president was adamant about this. The rule was that if you came to hunt, you could hang two stands. The first one to place their pin in the pin board had priority over a spot. He said if you find a stand hanging in the woods and nobody is in camp you could hunt it, or sell it. lol
@donaldbuckner2935 that's a great way to run a club. Keeps it fair for everyone
Damn this guy would suck to hunt with. He doesn't like anything to do with hunting 😂😂
to far away and you might not even hit where your aiming at deer spook easy and the longer it take the arrow to make it the worse things get
@@KevinMillard68 agree 100
I can’t stand the tree stand and camera campers either and there are a lot here in the Deep South lol
There sure are i see stands and cameras everywhere
My farthest shot ever has been 20 yards it’s not how far you can shoot it’s how close you can get period
@@robshipley7543 agree 100
Agreed 100% sure dunno how early days hunters ever killed anything. Now it's all about the kill. Not how you did it. Woodsmanship is vanishing rifle shots with bow add in all gadgets to make em able to shoot bow quickly. Stabilizer release kisser button peepsite on n on. No skill left. Been shooting since I was 8-10 yrs old. I've seen a decline in true skill replaced with cheap ego. Just my opinion. More impressed with close up where you beat your prey at his game.
@@kevinmeeske3412 agree
Hunting has become a lost art replaced by tree fairys executing animals over bait. G.Fred Asbell wrote a great book called Stalking & Still -Hunting. If you read it it could incite the hunting instinct in you if the kill is not the only important thing to you. I know this is a controversial statement but I don't care.
"Long" shots I understand some, everyone has their limit, I guess if you take it too far we either shoot them with crossbows at 150yds or kill them with our bare hands after running them down, the public land thing confuses me though.
1, you want to hunt where other people are hunting? If I see a stand and a bunch of cameras, unless something specifically tells me that it's a rifle season setup I'm steering at least 2-400yds clear. I don't want to intrude on their spots, and if someone else is hunting an area who's to say they haven't spooked everything out of there? And who even knows what kind of person is hunting it. It might be some 12 year old boy and his grandpa going on their first hunt together in a stand they picked out 3 months ago
2, you have no issue hunting 20yds from someone's stand and shooing them away if they come in to hunt, but what do you do if they don't leave? If it's not their spot, then it's not your spot, and if they go in their stand 20yds up the trail and shoot the buck before it gets to your stand what do you say? "I was here first it's my spot"?
@@papajohnsy6659 public land is public land and if I find a spot with a hot feed tree that I want to set up on and there's another standard I'm going to hunt it if that guy has a camera they're too bad if that tree is hot and dropping acorns and I got a lot of sign under and I want to be there I'm going to set up if he chooses to come in while I'm there I will wave him away if he doesn't want to leave and wants to set up 20 yards away from me then I will either move myself or to piss him off I will sit there and play my play rap music on my cell phone at full blast and just call the night a wash just to prove to him that I don't play around the rule on public land is first come first serve to a spot plain and simple
Im glad we all have opinions.... most are wrong. Glad i am not a youtuber like rest of the sheep...
Inflated egomaniacs shoot at longer distances than should be attempted.
Like bowmar
Who the Hell shoots at an Animal With a Bow at almost a Football feild Length..
I've been slinging Arrows since 1984...30 yards was the Max...and i was young and stupid at 30 yards..
@MWoodslore times have changed and brought out the lazy side of the hunters today and they justify it by saying "you can't get closer" yet every year so many people do get closer
@@SamkoTradBow times are messed up brother
Once you hunt somewhere that is dominated by folks who run dogs for deer through your property every weekend and shoot at the deer running from their truck while your in the woods which buckshot whizzing by, it’s hard to get upset about folks who use crossbows, bait, use trail cams, whatever. But please people take ethical shots. As a hunter, your gift to the animal is a peaceful death that nature would not provide.