I'm going to have to go with Delta Force after being fully addicted the last 3 weeks. The game takes the best parts from battlefield, call of duty, and Tarkov. I can see myself grinding all the content for a while
To be fair, Runescape's original approach to PvP was it. Cross in to the Wilderness, kill other players and "get out" without dying haha. Dark Zone was soo good conceptually, shame the game itself wasn't great.
@@iamsampeters DZ was great till patch 1.8 with these damn 6 pieces classifield, jesus.. you had team running nomad with 3 free lives 😂, took them 2 other patch to disable it while in a team.
@@ItzKamo Ah man, I think it had a heap of issues - I feel like combat in that game was generally a bit of an after thought. Bullet sponge bosses, excessive TTKs etc.
The learning curve for tarkov is what kept me from buying that game. Hawk Ops has done a great job of dumbing it down for us casuals. The havoc mode has been fun, the vehicles need a bit of work but very impressed what they’ve done so far. Thanks stone!
tcf was probably one of the most addicting games I've ever played. The team did so well from a creative standpoint, but technically speaking it was full of flaws so I can understand why they took it down completely. I think they'll bring TCF back, eventually but not in the same way, similar to how the game failed before it became TCF
I tried Tarkov... even with my second monitor showing the map, trying to orient myself/figure out where I actually am on the map was so annoying. Then, not knowing which items were the "must loot" items. Which items I looted were good for selling vs what I needed to keep for challenges, or what would skyrocket in value later in the wipe, etc. Then having to figure out which extraction point to go to, or getting there and it's not actually active, etc. Im a dad with a full time job. I don't have time for all that. Delta Force has been so fun. Great QoL features, everything is explained, rough prices on items as you loot them... favorited items so I know if it's something I need for base upgrades, etc... then it has the Battlefield type mode for when I just want to run and gun. Haven't played ABI. Downloaded it when it released to everyone, but then the news on the P2W stuff came out, and I was already loving DF so I just uninstalled it.
@@MansterBear tbh I understand why you might not wanna play ABI but after giving it a try it definitely is a better game than Tarkov in the sense that it respects your time. I’m super busy with life rn but when I have an hour or two to spare I can get at least 1 mil in Koen. If you are a busy person it’s not a bad game I’d recommend not paying any money though so you don’t feel like you’re wasting money.
ABI is fairly easy to get into. On the first map you can get like half a mil to a mil koen in one hour, players aren't extremely good rn, and no matter what ur loot is, 1 purple sniper bullet is gonna one to two shot you
AFI looks like a cloned yet more easy/updated EFT. Delta force is like a mixture of EFT (the extraction mode premise), DMZ(the gunplay, health, and movement), and Apex(with the team based operators)+ they have the battlefield style mode. As of now, I'm team delta force 100% as the majority are but we'll see as this year comes to a close. Delta force is looking like it will become a giant in the gaming industry going into next year
I really wish DMZ hadve kept going they had something special there. I remember playing it with a homie from the UK we were having a grand ol time and he said "I just know they're going to mess this up, it's too good" I laughed now here we are..
Imo,. The only thing DMZ had going for it was map size/variety, vehicles and the cool extract mechanics. Delta force basicaly dunks it on everything else.
@@ItsJustHenriHeck it became pay to win and the silly meta crap that requires you to grind for a few hrs with each gun in MP sucked. But without those it was great
How cool would it be in extration shooters if every time a cheater was banned, they went through their match history and reimbursed every player they killed with the gear they lost to the cheater? Has this ever been done before?
@KeyJOSH8 Cycle Frontier actually did this but per raid, I would log back on each day and sometimes get upwards of 4 cheater reimbursements from yesterdays raids lol
If u think about the fact that u can buy Koen with rl money it doesnt feel like ABI wants u to get a hold of ur gear. Feels more like they appreciate if u loose.
I doubt there will be real money transactions with cheaters in Delta Force because you can't drop gear to other players in the game. If you bring any items in and drop them to your buddies, then extract, the items get mailed back to you. So there would be no possibility of hackers loading in, vacuuming up the best loot and then attempting to sell it to other players because it isnt possible. They could just sell the account though
Yeah good thought I didn’t even think about that. Will definitely help with keeping cheaters out but not entirely cuz obviously people will just pay the cheaters to carry them through a raid and get all the loot for doing so. Definitely helps combat some of it either way.
It might still be feasible, but there would be a whole process for it. Like use a VPN in Oceania and queue with these parameters at this specific time, confirm that you are on the same server as the "seller", meet up, kill and loot them. Or abuse auction house in a similar way
DMZ was the only reason I played Warzone. I honestly lean more to Arena breakout. The graphics and atmosphere fits my appeal more. My problem is I'm a casual dad so Arena may be too hardcore for me lol. For me its going to come down to what I can run on my pc and how my ping will look like because ping is usually my main issue due to my location
I think delta force really shows what changes DMZ needs. DMZ has a fun gameplay loop but no sense of progression. Take the gameplay of DMZ and the progression and armor system of delta force and COD can really make DMZ work but they probably dont give a shit
Cod dropped the bag a year ago with DMZ and I'm glad because they don't deserve the success. Recently Activision has become a predatory crappy company in my opinion.
@@nathandingy nah it's not the armor system, it's the market place. You can stay with the 4 different types of vests, and 2 or 3 plate variants, and only medium or large bags. What you need is the ability to extract and sell things to vendors and a marketplace. Lootable attachments,that can also be bought/sold on the market place, allowing us to apply the blueprint variants on the fly. Insured slots just spitting out 0 attachment guns and having much longer cool downs. I do know that infinity Ward is currently fighting with Activision over mw4, so i am certainly worried about cod ever truly being as good as it was again.
14:58 delta force had basically gotten rid of RMT by making it so tht any time u pick up a loot from a member of ur squad random or premade even if its off an enemy players body it gets sent back to them so there would be no way for cheaters or players to sell in game loot in delta force it would just disappear from the buys inventory upon extraction and get sent as a msg to the seller
I've played them both I liked Arena Breakout it was literally Tarkov lite. But i liked Delta more because it was because it had the battlefield game modes and the extraction part. Delta just seems more fun and that's what I've been looking for in an extraction shooter. Just wish Delta had a solo Queue but still playable Solo.
Great side by side comparison, concise breakdowns and pros and cons. Thanks Stone. Delta Force looks like a solid game, I'm looking forward to the beta.
I spent 100 on abi for money havent spent a fraction of it yet and it will keep me going for probably 6 months maybe indefinitely if i can keep pulling good raids
on the flipside; i have spent 0 dollars and have only used the elite coupons you get by playing the game. i have 3 million koen, and have been able to keep my starting AK i have modded. I am Lvl 23 and have been able to run absolutely gnarly kits to just HAVE FUN. Thats all this is about. Having fun at the end of the day. I don’t need to flex by playing the “harder game.” I am just having fun without spending any money. GGz
I agree. The studio going back on promises before launch isn't a good look. I'll be looking forward to getting my hands-on Delta force. Is Delta force going to be on steam?
@@barbsuruncle it’s even going to be on console by the end of this year. Or I might be thinking about arena, but one of them does have talks with a quick google search. But to answer your question, both will be on steam. Arena is technically on mobile right now, it just costs a lot of space. So to be honest, these games are taking over, and tarkov is still taking hundreds from people just for more space. Like, I already have cross play with lost light, I just come to tarkov for the cool new stuff they add, even though you have to be a try hard and be at least lvl 30 before you can see that stuff.
Delta Force all day long! I played ABI a lot, but this time is idk, the game is amazing i love it, but the biggest down point is for me, 1. Prices of stuff is soooooo HIGH man. 2. u need magazines, in Delta u Don't . Im glad that Delta is going different way then ABI. 3. The AI is way diff in ABI then in Delta, ABI AI is similar to DMZ AI, many times they can see u through trees, in a much longer distance than in Delta. I love both games, but Delta is winner for Me! ❤️
It would be cool if the bodies stay on the ground (pause) in delta force. It tells a better story than them disappearing and seeing just a loot box. Seems a bit tacky but other than that still looking forward to delta force.
So I have a question, when these 2 games came out the same week and both required you to watch a twitch streamer to get an early access to the game. So during that week both games were both published by Level Infinite, both games. And then a week went by and they changed owners. And both games at the time did look the same. So what happened during that time period? It seems sketchy during that week for both games and how it all changed after a few people noticed.
I'd honestly try both Hawk ops and ABI they feel sorta close to cycle in some ways. But Cycle was a masterpiece that hopefully one day will be revived. Without cheaters and scummy devs would be nice tho.
@@MrWEST1 I'm playing ABI rn, but Cycle's thematic it's what gets me. Also, it was more arcade, which I find more fun. I'll try to check Delta Force. =/
I love arena, did not even buy anything and have stuff worth 7 mil. even got extended stash by just doing quests. so yeah this is my go to game dont think ill go back to tarkov.
I just have zero desire to play tarkov ever again. Started playing in 2018 and doing the same quests over and over is just a chore at this point. It was better when the flea market was open and you could just buy whatever gear u wanted.
regarding the DF safebox they did it the smart way by limiting what can be put into it. sure you can put in a large red/gold item but there are items that it wont accept so the risk of losing a lot of stuff is still there.
i go for delta force as i played all the delta force games from the past that where released by Novalogic like Delta force land warrior released in 2000 and so on :)
i have been playing arena breakout from my mobile for about an year. this games gives the realistic gunfighting experience. way superior than cod, battlefield, etc. it had ingame currency from the start, its no surprise. but the same safe boxes that u buy using currency is also available for season credits for llimited time.
Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction to extraction shooter genre 01:34 - Free-to-play model and its challenges 03:57 - Anti-cheat measures in both games 05:14 - Delta Force: Hawk Ops gameplay and features 07:51 - Arena Breakout: Infinite gameplay and initial impressions 12:27 - Monetization controversy in Arena Breakout: Infinite 15:35 - Real money trading and its impact on game economies 18:07 - Personal preferences and final recommendations
I've tried Blackout for nearly a week and just couldn't find the draw. Thanks for the layout of both cases. I can't wait for Delta Hawk Ops to come out.
I totally agree with every point. Bad timed release for AB to release the same time as Delta Force, otherwise it would have has a chance. Excellent video!
I play Arena and Delta Force. I think both games are incredibly good. It's a welcome change compared to the games we've been getting over the last few years. As an extraction shooter, Arena is simply unbeatable for me. I've never had such emotions, such a gaming experience as I had with Arena in my life. The game is really hard to master but it's worth it. The game has so many layers that you don't even understand the complexity of the game at first. In Delta Force, I mainly played the Battlefield mode and was totally thrilled. As a pre-orderer of Battlefield 2042, I expected little but got a lot. I only played the Extraction mode a little because it is much less realistic than Arena and in my opinion is more like Warzone than Tarkov. But I can imagine that it is also very good. Arena is much closer to Tarkov than Delta Force. I think it's good that Arena and Delta Force are different in Extraction mode, then we have two different games.
Arena Breakout for sure, If you are COD fan kid that thinks soldiers slide and run like formula one cars and make cha Ching noises when kill people you go with Delta ))) otherwise if you want more realistic one Arena Breakout.
After playing both for hours here’s the easiest take away. If you wanted a Tarkov experience that is a slightly lighter version of it if things like a mini map or map in general along with being able to see teammates, roll up bags and other stuff then arena is the way to go. For a way more casual experience then Delta is the way to go especially with the fact you can make more meaningful money in delta than you can in arena. It’s easier to find items that have enough value to allow you to build out new setups and there are ways to get tickets to get free loadouts as well. Overall both are fun but are made for 2 different types of players
I play all three! Tarkov and abi on my primary gaming desktop and other games on my laptop I carry around when visiting family and friends and all games are awesome to play why choose tbh
@@wonderousboyout of nowhere???? It’s fundamental bad game. Gun play is awful, little gun customization, the ship system is awful, just spam a ship after you’ve destroyed it and you body players and the only counter is to jump ship before you get killed… The ads are horrible. You can point blank mag dump an ad and get one banged in the face by it. There’s no gear fear, your handed everything 2 hours into play. Very few maps, nothing to grind for. Just all round bad game. It definitely didn’t die outta no where it died on release because of how bad the game play was and still is. It needs a complete overhaul to its core game play if it wants to attempt to grab more then 400 players a month. 😂
I'm a fan of Arena Breakout. I'm afraid Delta will turn out to be taken over by the aim assist console kids. I will say after playing AB for over 100hrs, I havent noticed the p2w to be any factor at all. My advice is to stay off the Asian servers because they've been raised on p2w games. The North American servers are still a lot of fun and haven't been p2w at all in my experience. I've seen a couple players but they were both bad and donated their gear to my squad. If you're looking for a more user friendly Tarkov then play AB, if you're looking for a mix of Cod and BF then play Delta. Both are great games! I'm just happy we finally have something decent to play again.
100 hours is nothing in the grand scheme and if u worried about console kids (which i agree with) just dont play delta force, im gonna play it for the battlefield gamemodes
@@densonjc I never understood it either until I spent my whole life on console and then went to pc. Now I understand why aim assist is a bad thing for games like this.
Would be nice if Tarkov had a sub-server to cross platform PC and mobile like how arena breakout did and the new Beta WZ. (Unfortunately had my account hacked and a 2step Authentior placed on it....some people ruin good things but anyway I digress from my recent gaming pitfalls of experience) but yaa I agree with Stone on how a personal choice of sticking with Delta Force. Just watching you game I know the sunshine will come over thoughs mountains. Much respect and keep banging out thoughs heads hots! 💯
I agree with your summation, however I also enjoy going in solo with "value" gear and sneaking around taking out juiced players who have spent real money to buy their stuff. Nothing feels better in game than going with mid guns and meh gear and coming out loaded up!
I'm curious is his mic quality in this RUclips video the same as in game my wave 3 microphone sounds great when i open wave link software and hear myself talk but sounds completely different when im in a game it sounds different for the other people listening to me example when I'm listening to myself talk in wave link software with noise removal on i don't hear my fan but when i go into a game and other people hear me talk or i just put the mic on always on they can hear the fan yet i cant in the software
There is none of these that are a "tarkov killer" as they have very different takes on how the games are played... and both Delta force and ABI seems more like competitors to COD rather than a hardcore survival extraction as tarkov. Even Gray zone cant really be compaired to being a tarkov killer, even though it have the more "hardcore" take as tarkov have.
Unfortunately so far nothing has been a Tarkov killer. I cant wait for the day that something is cuz I hate to love that game given all the bullshit the devs have pulled and the amount of cheaters who play.
And where is p2w? Come go buy all expensive stuff the best helmet the best armor i just brough sks with 20 bullets whre it cost me 30k and if headshot u you done and ur all p2w come to me so where is the P2W where is the adventage?
Near the beginning, you were talking about similar games. I know it's not the greatest, but "Vigor" is a similar looter extractor. More console friendly.
Unfortunately the movement and gunplay is so damn clunky that I just can’t play it, even though I’m looking for an extraction shooter for ages to play with friends on console
I played DFHO solo and got hooked. I did find myself playing the game modes other than the extraction one more. I like the time to kill and the simplicity. None of those BS gadgets and weapons from bf2042.
love ABI for how hard the game is and the reality of the experience, no markers, no crosshairs, nothing, it´s just too hardore and that´s what makes it an amazing game. Not even going into ptw discussions.
Its time they make AI eliminate cheaters as i would say good luck to them once AI handles it as it will remember you from your play style and voice and many other factors as it will monitor players closely so once you play it knows you on a personal level
optimization, graphics, game mode, tanks and planes are not at all terrible, the balance in this game is at a high level. large companies should follow the example of this production, even in 2024 this game works great on my computer with gtx1060, The Best game in 2024 year
14:10 No this is not an argument, this is just justifying P2W for literally no reason. A skilled whale will destroy you with the gear he has. Heck, with thermals he sees you before you can even react.
I haven't had the chance to play delta but Arena breakout doesn't have crafting?! I want any item I pick up to have some value outside of monetary. I love lost light crafting
So far I can say delta force is dmz's replacement. Keeping in mind they do have to make money. I'll be interested to see how they actually execute that front.
The fact that both games came from Chinese game company and we can't change the fact that they have the same marketing strategy to most of the free download games. I played both DF and AB and I'm getting used of it as f2p
Is ABI coming to consoles? I like the Tarkov style more than delta. Delta seems less realistic and more battlefield to me but have barely started looking into them both
I couldn't care less about extraction shooters, but I am more interested in if Delta Force's other mode can be a legit Battlefield competitor. I find game modes are much more fun when you can make adjustments and change strategies to try to claw your way back into a match that's not going your way. That just doesn't exist in BRs/extraction shooters where your match is over once you die. You can't go "wow that guy's got a good setup for clearing rooms, so I'm going to swap to a long range weapon and see if I can shut him down from distance", you're just dead. If Delta Force can give DICE a kick in the pants with some legitimate competition, that'd be a win.
I haven't played BF for a long time, but I like DF's version of it. Not as much destruction and stuff, but it's very fun. I've turned the tides a couple times by flanking and putting the spawn beacon deep in their line. You get some people spawning over there, create another front to fight on, then the fight for the point becomes easier, etc. I've spent more time in the extraction mode, but the BF mode seems fun enough too. Good thing is it's free, so you can try it pretty easily.
ABI is more my style and closer to tarkov which i like, delta force feels more like dmz/cod which is less my style, delta force is the objectively better made game but ABI is more my style as delta force just lacks that depth as ABI and EFT, the battlefield style mode is really fun but if it's an extraction game/mode I want it to be pretty hardcore.
Well I just tried ABI and apparently my GPU is not strong enough and I can't even lauch the game. I have a GTX 1050 2GB and they said the game is optimized for GTX 960 so technically it should at least lauch but yeah. I hope I'll have more luck when Delta Force is available for everyone. Or ideally I might build a new PC by then. I'm definitely interested more in Battlefield and games that try to do the same formula compared to extraction shooters.
Dude your system is extremely outdated. When they give you minimum specs it doesnt mean its advised thats what you actually run to play the game. Unfortunately technology is moving at rapid speed these days and you have to some what keep up with it if you want to play the games theyre releasing nowadays. It is what it is. I have a 3080 and 32 gigs of ram and even my rig struggles to run some games at high fps consistently at high res.
@@MarkoVuckovic32 I agree. Thats exactly what I run. I dont need or even care for 4K. I was just simply saying even the build I have struggles with running certain games at a consistent high fps. So its not shocking that a 1050 with 2gb isnt running some games. Definitely time for an upgrade if youre a PC gamer.
@@silversteele6624 yeah, I know I need to upgrade buy considering that this game started out as a mobile game, I thought it would run a little better even on weaker hardware.
I played all the Arena betas, 2 weeks ago I stopped playing the game because it is dead with respect to content, add to that you can't play Forbidden Zone because it is full of chiters, the anticheat is useless, the bullets have no balance, or you play Mosin or you play FAL, and they don't want to release content until the final version. And they don't pay attention to pay to fast. The game needs at least 1 more year. I have been testing Delta Force this week, the game is incredible, a thousand times better than ABi, to see how it is now, it has some visual bugs but it could be officially released, it is a game at 80% now.
I'm going to have to go with Delta Force after being fully addicted the last 3 weeks. The game takes the best parts from battlefield, call of duty, and Tarkov. I can see myself grinding all the content for a while
the best parts lol. People were playing delta force before any of those were main stream lol
so, you have no clue about BF
I just realized that The Division had this eons ago in the “Darkzone.”
Dark zone, my home infected by hackers since 2016 😂, toxic area as well, as good as COD. Then survival mode was good pve or pvp. Great sound track
To be fair, Runescape's original approach to PvP was it.
Cross in to the Wilderness, kill other players and "get out" without dying haha.
Dark Zone was soo good conceptually, shame the game itself wasn't great.
Thank You!
@@iamsampeters DZ was great till patch 1.8 with these damn 6 pieces classifield, jesus.. you had team running nomad with 3 free lives 😂, took them 2 other patch to disable it while in a team.
@@ItzKamo Ah man, I think it had a heap of issues - I feel like combat in that game was generally a bit of an after thought.
Bullet sponge bosses, excessive TTKs etc.
The learning curve for tarkov is what kept me from buying that game. Hawk Ops has done a great job of dumbing it down for us casuals. The havoc mode has been fun, the vehicles need a bit of work but very impressed what they’ve done so far. Thanks stone!
full of bots, bots with dogtags DOA
There is no learning curve for tarkov
@@Prosthetics555 what do you mean?
@@petrklicz6939 What's to learn? Inventory/walking/camping simulator.
@@Prosthetics555 ye, sure 😆😆
My friends and I miss the cycle every day 😢
@@brandongrotha7508 same here
tcf was probably one of the most addicting games I've ever played. The team did so well from a creative standpoint, but technically speaking it was full of flaws so I can understand why they took it down completely. I think they'll bring TCF back, eventually but not in the same way, similar to how the game failed before it became TCF
damn, forgot the name of the game as i was remembering how much fun i had. Solo Queue, nice loot/item System. Enjoyed it alot.
I tried Tarkov... even with my second monitor showing the map, trying to orient myself/figure out where I actually am on the map was so annoying. Then, not knowing which items were the "must loot" items. Which items I looted were good for selling vs what I needed to keep for challenges, or what would skyrocket in value later in the wipe, etc.
Then having to figure out which extraction point to go to, or getting there and it's not actually active, etc. Im a dad with a full time job. I don't have time for all that. Delta Force has been so fun. Great QoL features, everything is explained, rough prices on items as you loot them... favorited items so I know if it's something I need for base upgrades, etc... then it has the Battlefield type mode for when I just want to run and gun.
Haven't played ABI. Downloaded it when it released to everyone, but then the news on the P2W stuff came out, and I was already loving DF so I just uninstalled it.
@@MansterBear tbh I understand why you might not wanna play ABI but after giving it a try it definitely is a better game than Tarkov in the sense that it respects your time. I’m super busy with life rn but when I have an hour or two to spare I can get at least 1 mil in Koen. If you are a busy person it’s not a bad game I’d recommend not paying any money though so you don’t feel like you’re wasting money.
ABI is fairly easy to get into. On the first map you can get like half a mil to a mil koen in one hour, players aren't extremely good rn, and no matter what ur loot is, 1 purple sniper bullet is gonna one to two shot you
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Great Video! As soon as I get access to Delta Force, I will sink my teeth into it. Until then I will ABI
ABI is solo friendly.
Delta is Team focused, especially with the abilities.
Both good IMO, both fun, both free.
@@alxiong abi is kinda pay to win
@@Edson-Ragas oh it’s pay 2 win alright. But ABI takes no skill to kill a whale.
how is abi solo friendly you cant do shit solo when you ran into 4 man squad every time xD
AFI looks like a cloned yet more easy/updated EFT. Delta force is like a mixture of EFT (the extraction mode premise), DMZ(the gunplay, health, and movement), and Apex(with the team based operators)+ they have the battlefield style mode. As of now, I'm team delta force 100% as the majority are but we'll see as this year comes to a close. Delta force is looking like it will become a giant in the gaming industry going into next year
I really wish DMZ hadve kept going they had something special there. I remember playing it with a homie from the UK we were having a grand ol time and he said "I just know they're going to mess this up, it's too good" I laughed now here we are..
Both of these new options are way better than DMZ.
@@ThrobRoss I'm for sure going to check them out on PS5 if I can
@@ItsJustHenriHeck definitely! They would both make great console games.
Imo,. The only thing DMZ had going for it was map size/variety, vehicles and the cool extract mechanics.
Delta force basicaly dunks it on everything else.
@@ItsJustHenriHeck it became pay to win and the silly meta crap that requires you to grind for a few hrs with each gun in MP sucked. But without those it was great
How cool would it be in extration shooters if every time a cheater was banned, they went through their match history and reimbursed every player they killed with the gear they lost to the cheater? Has this ever been done before?
@KeyJOSH8 Cycle Frontier actually did this but per raid, I would log back on each day and sometimes get upwards of 4 cheater reimbursements from yesterdays raids lol
RIP The Cycle 😭
Arena Breakout only somewhat compensates you for reporting
Arena breakout refunds you some stuff if the person you report is found to be using third party software and gets permabanned
If u think about the fact that u can buy Koen with rl money it doesnt feel like ABI wants u to get a hold of ur gear. Feels more like they appreciate if u loose.
I doubt there will be real money transactions with cheaters in Delta Force because you can't drop gear to other players in the game. If you bring any items in and drop them to your buddies, then extract, the items get mailed back to you. So there would be no possibility of hackers loading in, vacuuming up the best loot and then attempting to sell it to other players because it isnt possible. They could just sell the account though
Yeah good thought I didn’t even think about that. Will definitely help with keeping cheaters out but not entirely cuz obviously people will just pay the cheaters to carry them through a raid and get all the loot for doing so. Definitely helps combat some of it either way.
It might still be feasible, but there would be a whole process for it. Like use a VPN in Oceania and queue with these parameters at this specific time, confirm that you are on the same server as the "seller", meet up, kill and loot them. Or abuse auction house in a similar way
Delta force all the way, got lucky last night and I’m hooked!
DMZ was the only reason I played Warzone. I honestly lean more to Arena breakout. The graphics and atmosphere fits my appeal more. My problem is I'm a casual dad so Arena may be too hardcore for me lol. For me its going to come down to what I can run on my pc and how my ping will look like because ping is usually my main issue due to my location
cod is severely dropping the bag with dmz.
I think delta force really shows what changes DMZ needs. DMZ has a fun gameplay loop but no sense of progression. Take the gameplay of DMZ and the progression and armor system of delta force and COD can really make DMZ work but they probably dont give a shit
Cod dropped the bag a year ago with DMZ and I'm glad because they don't deserve the success. Recently Activision has become a predatory crappy company in my opinion.
@@Deltatwo3 lmao please explain.
@@knolsey I agreed with your comment... What do you want me to explain?
@@nathandingy nah it's not the armor system, it's the market place. You can stay with the 4 different types of vests, and 2 or 3 plate variants, and only medium or large bags. What you need is the ability to extract and sell things to vendors and a marketplace. Lootable attachments,that can also be bought/sold on the market place, allowing us to apply the blueprint variants on the fly. Insured slots just spitting out 0 attachment guns and having much longer cool downs.
I do know that infinity Ward is currently fighting with Activision over mw4, so i am certainly worried about cod ever truly being as good as it was again.
I'd be happy to pay full retail for the campaign. Just keep the in game monetization in HO to battle pass and skins.
14:58 delta force had basically gotten rid of RMT by making it so tht any time u pick up a loot from a member of ur squad random or premade even if its off an enemy players body it gets sent back to them so there would be no way for cheaters or players to sell in game loot in delta force it would just disappear from the buys inventory upon extraction and get sent as a msg to the seller
@@christopherpitts3941 ABI had it first
I've played them both I liked Arena Breakout it was literally Tarkov lite. But i liked Delta more because it was because it had the battlefield game modes and the extraction part. Delta just seems more fun and that's what I've been looking for in an extraction shooter. Just wish Delta had a solo Queue but still playable Solo.
Great side by side comparison, concise breakdowns and pros and cons. Thanks Stone. Delta Force looks like a solid game, I'm looking forward to the beta.
I spent 100 on abi for money havent spent a fraction of it yet and it will keep me going for probably 6 months maybe indefinitely if i can keep pulling good raids
on the flipside; i have spent 0 dollars and have only used the elite coupons you get by playing the game. i have 3 million koen, and have been able to keep my starting AK i have modded. I am Lvl 23 and have been able to run absolutely gnarly kits to just HAVE FUN. Thats all this is about. Having fun at the end of the day. I don’t need to flex by playing the “harder game.” I am just having fun without spending any money. GGz
20:25 perfect summary and agree 100%
I agree. The studio going back on promises before launch isn't a good look. I'll be looking forward to getting my hands-on Delta force. Is Delta force going to be on steam?
@@barbsuruncle it’s even going to be on console by the end of this year. Or I might be thinking about arena, but one of them does have talks with a quick google search. But to answer your question, both will be on steam. Arena is technically on mobile right now, it just costs a lot of space. So to be honest, these games are taking over, and tarkov is still taking hundreds from people just for more space. Like, I already have cross play with lost light, I just come to tarkov for the cool new stuff they add, even though you have to be a try hard and be at least lvl 30 before you can see that stuff.
Delta Force all day long!
I played ABI a lot, but this time is idk, the game is amazing i love it, but the biggest down point is for me, 1. Prices of stuff is soooooo HIGH man. 2. u need magazines, in Delta u Don't .
Im glad that Delta is going different way then ABI. 3. The AI is way diff in ABI then in Delta, ABI AI is similar to DMZ AI, many times they can see u through trees, in a much longer distance than in Delta.
I love both games, but Delta is winner for Me!
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Cool a race to be the first billion dollar a year extraction shooter so fun...
It would be cool if the bodies stay on the ground (pause) in delta force. It tells a better story than them disappearing and seeing just a loot box. Seems a bit tacky but other than that still looking forward to delta force.
very useful vid! Thank you for putting it out there!
Interesting thoughts about and - at the same time - a great comparison of the two games I both like a lot.
100% go for Delta Force: Hawk Ops
So I have a question, when these 2 games came out the same week and both required you to watch a twitch streamer to get an early access to the game. So during that week both games were both published by Level Infinite, both games. And then a week went by and they changed owners. And both games at the time did look the same. So what happened during that time period? It seems sketchy during that week for both games and how it all changed after a few people noticed.
Paying for an advantage over other players in a pvp game is the definition of pay-to-win
Cheating needs to be handled. It's so out of hand nowadays. Sadly, it really ruins the experience for the masses.
The Cycle had a system that gave you back what you lost to a cheater, hope it is the same here.
Man... I miss The Cycle so much. =(
Is there anything close to what it was?
Insane to me they sunset the game.
@@Deltatwo3 they couldn't do anything about the cheaters and their budget ended, so nothing to do about it. =/
I'd honestly try both Hawk ops and ABI they feel sorta close to cycle in some ways. But Cycle was a masterpiece that hopefully one day will be revived. Without cheaters and scummy devs would be nice tho.
@@MrWEST1 I'm playing ABI rn, but Cycle's thematic it's what gets me. Also, it was more arcade, which I find more fun. I'll try to check Delta Force. =/
@reportimortal Delta force and ABI are both good and I've been playing the both
Love the break down and the non bias opinions great job
I love arena, did not even buy anything and have stuff worth 7 mil. even got extended stash by just doing quests. so yeah this is my go to game dont think ill go back to tarkov.
I just have zero desire to play tarkov ever again. Started playing in 2018 and doing the same quests over and over is just a chore at this point. It was better when the flea market was open and you could just buy whatever gear u wanted.
I am just more excited about Hawk Ops because it has the 32v32 and I am more interested in that.
seems many people are
@@StoneMountain64 It just feels similar to battlefeild 3/4 and after 2042 I think people want a new look at the genre.
regarding the DF safebox they did it the smart way by limiting what can be put into it. sure you can put in a large red/gold item but there are items that it wont accept so the risk of losing a lot of stuff is still there.
The Division did Dark Zone which was cool for the time.
They were doing their own spinoff of just the dark zone extraction that just got cancelled too
@@StoneMountain64 big sad about that, got to play a beta and it was super fun!
i go for delta force as i played all the delta force games from the past that where released by Novalogic like Delta force land warrior released in 2000 and so on :)
Delta: Movement speed and adjustment blows. Its like walking in quick sand.
i have been playing arena breakout from my mobile for about an year. this games gives the realistic gunfighting experience. way superior than cod, battlefield, etc. it had ingame currency from the start, its no surprise. but the same safe boxes that u buy using currency is also available for season credits for llimited time.
Standard edition of eft is 50 you kept saying 70 thought I'd clarify.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction to extraction shooter genre
01:34 - Free-to-play model and its challenges
03:57 - Anti-cheat measures in both games
05:14 - Delta Force: Hawk Ops gameplay and features
07:51 - Arena Breakout: Infinite gameplay and initial impressions
12:27 - Monetization controversy in Arena Breakout: Infinite
15:35 - Real money trading and its impact on game economies
18:07 - Personal preferences and final recommendations
Easy to say: Delta Force
I've tried Blackout for nearly a week and just couldn't find the draw.
Thanks for the layout of both cases. I can't wait for Delta Hawk Ops to come out.
I totally agree with every point. Bad timed release for AB to release the same time as Delta Force, otherwise it would have has a chance. Excellent video!
I play Arena and Delta Force. I think both games are incredibly good. It's a welcome change compared to the games we've been getting over the last few years. As an extraction shooter, Arena is simply unbeatable for me. I've never had such emotions, such a gaming experience as I had with Arena in my life. The game is really hard to master but it's worth it. The game has so many layers that you don't even understand the complexity of the game at first. In Delta Force, I mainly played the Battlefield mode and was totally thrilled. As a pre-orderer of Battlefield 2042, I expected little but got a lot. I only played the Extraction mode a little because it is much less realistic than Arena and in my opinion is more like Warzone than Tarkov. But I can imagine that it is also very good. Arena is much closer to Tarkov than Delta Force. I think it's good that Arena and Delta Force are different in Extraction mode, then we have two different games.
Arena Breakout for sure, If you are COD fan kid that thinks soldiers slide and run like formula one cars and make cha Ching noises when kill people you go with Delta ))) otherwise if you want more realistic one Arena Breakout.
After playing both for hours here’s the easiest take away. If you wanted a Tarkov experience that is a slightly lighter version of it if things like a mini map or map in general along with being able to see teammates, roll up bags and other stuff then arena is the way to go.
For a way more casual experience then Delta is the way to go especially with the fact you can make more meaningful money in delta than you can in arena. It’s easier to find items that have enough value to allow you to build out new setups and there are ways to get tickets to get free loadouts as well. Overall both are fun but are made for 2 different types of players
I play all three! Tarkov and abi on my primary gaming desktop and other games on my laptop I carry around when visiting family and friends and all games are awesome to play why choose tbh
Not even a mention to Marauders lol. Though I think that is more if a niche extraction shooter.
A shame that game died out of nowhere
@@wonderousboyout of nowhere???? It’s fundamental bad game. Gun play is awful, little gun customization, the ship system is awful, just spam a ship after you’ve destroyed it and you body players and the only counter is to jump ship before you get killed… The ads are horrible. You can point blank mag dump an ad and get one banged in the face by it.
There’s no gear fear, your handed everything 2 hours into play. Very few maps, nothing to grind for. Just all round bad game. It definitely didn’t die outta no where it died on release because of how bad the game play was and still is. It needs a complete overhaul to its core game play if it wants to attempt to grab more then 400 players a month. 😂
Good game. Still playing it. It just wiped too!
you're forgetting to mention the division that's also another extractor shooting that's been out for a minute
Stone 9:17 you have a 4 slot gold expensive item in your stash, and like a ballistic repair kit in your safe box. Drives me crazy 😂
im just happy we have other option that did a good job
I'm a fan of Arena Breakout. I'm afraid Delta will turn out to be taken over by the aim assist console kids. I will say after playing AB for over 100hrs, I havent noticed the p2w to be any factor at all. My advice is to stay off the Asian servers because they've been raised on p2w games. The North American servers are still a lot of fun and haven't been p2w at all in my experience. I've seen a couple players but they were both bad and donated their gear to my squad. If you're looking for a more user friendly Tarkov then play AB, if you're looking for a mix of Cod and BF then play Delta. Both are great games! I'm just happy we finally have something decent to play again.
And the monetization for delta force isnt even out yet. However i dont feel any P2W in ABI. What you wrote sums it up.
Arena breakout sadly has p2win but it’s not Tarkov level atleast
100 hours is nothing in the grand scheme and if u worried about console kids (which i agree with) just dont play delta force, im gonna play it for the battlefield gamemodes
@@LifeOnEarthTogether ill never understand the vendetta u pc players have with console players 😭 it’s such one sided beef
@@densonjc I never understood it either until I spent my whole life on console and then went to pc. Now I understand why aim assist is a bad thing for games like this.
Would be nice if Tarkov had a sub-server to cross platform PC and mobile like how arena breakout did and the new Beta WZ. (Unfortunately had my account hacked and a 2step Authentior placed on it....some people ruin good things but anyway I digress from my recent gaming pitfalls of experience) but yaa I agree with Stone on how a personal choice of sticking with Delta Force. Just watching you game I know the sunshine will come over thoughs mountains. Much respect and keep banging out thoughs heads hots! 💯
The rmt in delta force is impossible bc they made where if a teammate picks up something you brought in it goes back to you
I agree with your summation, however I also enjoy going in solo with "value" gear and sneaking around taking out juiced players who have spent real money to buy their stuff. Nothing feels better in game than going with mid guns and meh gear and coming out loaded up!
I'm curious is his mic quality in this RUclips video the same as in game my wave 3 microphone sounds great when i open wave link software and hear myself talk but sounds completely different when im in a game it sounds different for the other people listening to me example when I'm listening to myself talk in wave link software with noise removal on i don't hear my fan but when i go into a game and other people hear me talk or i just put the mic on always on they can hear the fan yet i cant in the software
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I been waiting to play for months don’t understand why none streamers can’t get to play betas.
Hardware ban can easily prevent hackers form ever playing again
Awesome video!
There is none of these that are a "tarkov killer" as they have very different takes on how the games are played... and both Delta force and ABI seems more like competitors to COD rather than a hardcore survival extraction as tarkov.
Even Gray zone cant really be compaired to being a tarkov killer, even though it have the more "hardcore" take as tarkov have.
Unfortunately so far nothing has been a Tarkov killer. I cant wait for the day that something is cuz I hate to love that game given all the bullshit the devs have pulled and the amount of cheaters who play.
The vots in DMZ are better than most players who has ever played a video game
People saying ABI isnt P2W are just coping because they have picked the wrong game and dont want to feel like that made a mistake.
And where is p2w? Come go buy all expensive stuff the best helmet the best armor i just brough sks with 20 bullets whre it cost me 30k and if headshot u you done and ur all p2w come to me so where is the P2W where is the adventage?
Near the beginning, you were talking about similar games. I know it's not the greatest, but "Vigor" is a similar looter extractor. More console friendly.
Unfortunately the movement and gunplay is so damn clunky that I just can’t play it, even though I’m looking for an extraction shooter for ages to play with friends on console
I played DFHO solo and got hooked. I did find myself playing the game modes other than the extraction one more. I like the time to kill and the simplicity. None of those BS gadgets and weapons from bf2042.
first most important question: DFHO is free like ABI?
love ABI for how hard the game is and the reality of the experience, no markers, no crosshairs, nothing, it´s just too hardore and that´s what makes it an amazing game. Not even going into ptw discussions.
After seeing this I think arena breakout now is gunna b the more slapper of the tarkov killer but im down to run delta tho it looks good
Arena Breakout : You get to play ABI "Heart Attack, Fear, Disappointed".
Delta : Enjoy your game.
40 seconds ago is crazy tho
Its time they make AI eliminate cheaters as i would say good luck to them once AI handles it as it will remember you from your play style and voice and many other factors as it will monitor players closely so once you play it knows you on a personal level
optimization, graphics, game mode, tanks and planes are not at all terrible, the balance in this game is at a high level. large companies should follow the example of this production, even in 2024 this game works great on my computer with gtx1060, The Best game in 2024 year
14:10 No this is not an argument, this is just justifying P2W for literally no reason. A skilled whale will destroy you with the gear he has. Heck, with thermals he sees you before you can even react.
@7:29 how did your arrow not detect that guy at the top of the ladder?
The only cheat i know in AB either it is that monster auto head ai or a guy with thermal
The mulch you have to deal with on console is a mess. At least you ain’t gotta worry about cheaters and modders
Past tarkov, Between ab and delta force delta force its more f2p friendly
I haven't had the chance to play delta but Arena breakout doesn't have crafting?! I want any item I pick up to have some value outside of monetary. I love lost light crafting
Delta Force by far is the best quality fps game for me
So far I can say delta force is dmz's replacement. Keeping in mind they do have to make money. I'll be interested to see how they actually execute that front.
When is general access to DF HawkTuah (ops my bad)??
The fact that both games came from Chinese game company and we can't change the fact that they have the same marketing strategy to most of the free download games.
I played both DF and AB and I'm getting used of it as f2p
Love the vids man!
Is ABI coming to consoles? I like the Tarkov style more than delta. Delta seems less realistic and more battlefield to me but have barely started looking into them both
RIP the cycle, was a good game
I couldn't care less about extraction shooters, but I am more interested in if Delta Force's other mode can be a legit Battlefield competitor. I find game modes are much more fun when you can make adjustments and change strategies to try to claw your way back into a match that's not going your way. That just doesn't exist in BRs/extraction shooters where your match is over once you die. You can't go "wow that guy's got a good setup for clearing rooms, so I'm going to swap to a long range weapon and see if I can shut him down from distance", you're just dead. If Delta Force can give DICE a kick in the pants with some legitimate competition, that'd be a win.
I haven't played BF for a long time, but I like DF's version of it.
Not as much destruction and stuff, but it's very fun.
I've turned the tides a couple times by flanking and putting the spawn beacon deep in their line. You get some people spawning over there, create another front to fight on, then the fight for the point becomes easier, etc.
I've spent more time in the extraction mode, but the BF mode seems fun enough too.
Good thing is it's free, so you can try it pretty easily.
Isn’t arena breakout really predatory? I was excited for both but I refuse to play arena if it is
Great video by the way
ABI is more my style and closer to tarkov which i like, delta force feels more like dmz/cod which is less my style, delta force is the objectively better made game but ABI is more my style as delta force just lacks that depth as ABI and EFT, the battlefield style mode is really fun but if it's an extraction game/mode I want it to be pretty hardcore.
What is there to choose? They are both Free to play. Download them both and try both of them out…
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Looking forward to delta force on console ❤
Completely agree with everything you said
Both are not on ps5? Is xdefiant amy good ?
What about "Gray Zone Warefare" ?
trust me it doesn't affect the economy on the mobile version at all i passed 80% of all player wealth by just playing FREE
i put it for access forever ago and still dont have access for delta force
Well I just tried ABI and apparently my GPU is not strong enough and I can't even lauch the game. I have a GTX 1050 2GB and they said the game is optimized for GTX 960 so technically it should at least lauch but yeah. I hope I'll have more luck when Delta Force is available for everyone. Or ideally I might build a new PC by then. I'm definitely interested more in Battlefield and games that try to do the same formula compared to extraction shooters.
Dude your system is extremely outdated. When they give you minimum specs it doesnt mean its advised thats what you actually run to play the game. Unfortunately technology is moving at rapid speed these days and you have to some what keep up with it if you want to play the games theyre releasing nowadays. It is what it is. I have a 3080 and 32 gigs of ram and even my rig struggles to run some games at high fps consistently at high res.
@@silversteele6624 3080 is absolutely fine at 1440p no need to run anything at higher resolution than that
@@MarkoVuckovic32 I agree. Thats exactly what I run. I dont need or even care for 4K. I was just simply saying even the build I have struggles with running certain games at a consistent high fps. So its not shocking that a 1050 with 2gb isnt running some games. Definitely time for an upgrade if youre a PC gamer.
@@silversteele6624 yeah, I know I need to upgrade buy considering that this game started out as a mobile game, I thought it would run a little better even on weaker hardware.
I played all the Arena betas, 2 weeks ago I stopped playing the game because it is dead with respect to content, add to that you can't play Forbidden Zone because it is full of chiters, the anticheat is useless, the bullets have no balance, or you play Mosin or you play FAL, and they don't want to release content until the final version.
And they don't pay attention to pay to fast.
The game needs at least 1 more year.
I have been testing Delta Force this week, the game is incredible, a thousand times better than ABi, to see how it is now, it has some visual bugs but it could be officially released, it is a game at 80% now.