Hey Guys, obviously lots of comments suggesting that we should of use the Triple Diamond Callaway Head. When we first tested Taylormade and Callaway Drivers over the winter i hit the Ai Smoke Max and QI10 core heads the best. That's why we decided to include them into the bracket. I agree i hindsight we should probably have added the QI10 LS and Triple Diamond.
@@chucksmerdon6256I would like to see a late addition, but it would be unfair to sneak both TM and Callaway in at the end when PXG, Srixon, and Cobra are spanking the big four.
@@jon4715 I realize that it may not be hundred percent fair but it would be the most informative. I’m getting ready to potentially purchase the triple diamond Callaway head and I don’t have a way to hit the PXG head but I’m a faster player like Ian but a little faster and I would like to see them compared on the same day to see which one performs. I mean they don’t have to be in the tournament, but I still like to see a head 2 head between those.
I got fitted for the PXG black ops a few weeks ago. Yet to try outdoors. But it beat out all other drivers I tested. Straight and long. Thought I was a Titleist guy but nope it’s PXG all the way now. So much so I ended up getting the full PXG bag fitting as well. Had TM. Am set set up with the full 0317T’s. I think PXG have something super special going on. My 2 cents.
If he would have used the LS models in each of those they would still be in the game. Not fair using others LS against std models....kinda defeats the purpose of this test.
@@jwalton2297 At the risk of repeating myself for the 100th time. When we tested Taylormade and Callaway Drivers over the winter i hit the AI Smoke Max and QI10 core heads the best. That's why they made it into the bracket.
I forget if Ian had tried to loft up the Taylormade during the review video but the Cobra was lofted up during the bracket. Not sure if that would have made the TM LS playable enough for the bracket though
@@jon4715it’s not “worse” just not a fit for him. Odds are spin is too low and the ball is just falling too soon, could be the lack of forgiveness too and he’s just spraying it everywhere.
@@laakuma Forgiveness is such a bizarre idea. Pros were hitting 300yd drives with persimmons. Imo, the reason why we need forgiveness is because beginners are playing with 46” long shafts in their drivers.
This just goes to show how players swing changes from day to day, Ian's swing not quite as good as some of the other tests, but the difference of these drivers isn't that much. Great video guys.
I'd like to see you test the QI10 LS again but with the right loft. You struggled with spin (limited head options) in the launch video and then the stock was used in the bracket.
Pxg ....gotta be the favorite. NOTHING BETTER than seeing you guys give what I think is the most honest review ever. Seeing you guys give props to a dtc brand.....to me , it gives you the ultimate legitimacy in reviews. Love it. You guys are the best and this just proves it.❤
Tremendous video. The fact that PXG has come this far in my book they’ve won They truly have produced a great driver and it’s going in my bag. Nice video. Looking forward to the championship round. 👍🏻
I think based on spin nunbers alone, there should have been some fitting process to see if changing launch back to stock or a different shaft option could make it more comparable. If you have already done that then fair enough but as fitters i would expect a bit more tweaking. I know this is almost a like for like comparison but clear to see the spin is higher so why not fit the player and swing a bit more?
I would love to see a driver bracket featuring someone with a 85-95 mph swing. We old pharts need good information before parting with the $ but there isn't much testing aimed at our bracket. I'm 76 and swing at 90-95 with my driver. The clubs that would work for me aren't necessarily the same ones that Ian hammers at 110-115 mph.
Friend of mine went for the PXG driver fitting. Ordered a £799 driver (KBS shaft upgrade). Played with him recently, he couldn't keep the shots down. Sooo high! Not great when we play on a links course :( Iy's certainly put me off.
Like that you went out of your way to explain how the Smoke Max isn't an LS head and is made for a little more forgiveness. Would have been nice if you explained that the same way with the Qi10 vs. an LS head in its last round.
One thing you have to keep in context is they are all good drivers and some are better by a few yards. Put I’m glad cobra seems to finally be up there with all the contenders. They’ve had good drivers the past few years
Playing pxg gen 6 irons and putter. Awesome clubs. I’m playing g430 max driver. Tested pxg tour driver was def good. But I wanted to see couple hundred rpms less. What’s interesting though is a watched golfweeks 2024 ball test. And w my swing speed pxg ball (which I used in their fitting) was highest spinning ball. Prob could make up that little bit of spin with a ball more suited to me.
Interesting that three LS drivers are the final 3 drivers. Figured a higher MOI driver might have been able to sneak in there with a good accuracy session. Clearly indicating that the newer LS drivers are pretty forgiving and when we can control that spin a touch better, you see better overall results.
I don’t understand how everyone is having such a hard time with this triple diamond / LS debate. If he was using those two head the PXG/Cobra would have just beat them even worse lol. What fits him best is just what fits him best.
Although I’d love to see the LS drivers all head to head, this is an interesting set of data that shows LS drivers have a place in the bag for long hitters. In around 180 ball speed and have heavily debated a more forgiving head but the spinny misses always deter me. It’s almost like I end up manipulating my swing to try and be low spin when I can fully release the LS heads without that concern.
Good stuff boys! Any day now Mikey’s favorite commentators will actually watch the whole video before spamming “WHY WASN’T THE [XYZ MODEL] USED INSTEAD?!?!?” Makes me laugh after every single video lol
What degree is the PXG set at? Seems that last year PXG had their lofts all messed up on drivers. Seemed that 7.5 loft was more like a 9.5 if I remember right.
I still like callaway better. You could’ve thrown a bath towel on top of those first few drives with it. You were just not on the center line of the grid
That Callaway seemed really consistent. Didn't have the next gear like PXG but it was so consistent. Aside from the 2 shots where you really went after it and pulled it left I honestly thought this would be much closer for the Callaway. Gonna be hard to beat the Cobra.
This just shows it has nothing to do with the club but the swing you have on a specific day. This is why I hate fittings that are done in a one day or one hour session. None of us are pros and none of us have repeatable swings like a pro. Give me a TM, Callaway, PXG, whatever and I guarantee you there will be days I hit one better than the other. And this will be true for most of us. Personally, unless you are an extremely short driver, the best driver to get is the one you hit lower dispersion with over and over when testing (not just one day) For the PXG specifically, it is nice to see them finally getting the driver right. I have a Gen 4 which is a POS and I tried the Gen 5 which was no better. I still use my original Stealth and still love it. But for PXG to finally make a competitive driver after all their BS hype from past ones is good. You know what they say about blind squirrels...... ;) For me, I will sit this year out from buying anything new. Manufacturers need to stop with annual releases and start focusing on bringing costs down as they are pricing more people to go to DTC companies that offer much better value/performance.
Hey Guys, Great video as always. I think PXG will win the battle, if so I'm going to jump on a plane and get fitted for a whole bag of PXG. Everything but my putter, I love my Scotty Cameron. Have a good weekend. See Ya's.
Ian, Please can you put in bold on the start of every video why the drivers were selected as people seem to not listen, or are just thick, the amount of comments saying test LS callaway/TM to make it fair/different outcomes is shocking! I cant believe how dumb people can be!
Agreed. Although, all the dumb, repetitive comments on every video do drive up engagement and gets the RUclips algorithm to recommend the video to more viewers so it's a double-edge sword.
@RichardPalmbergDDS they hot them all. Just in initial testing. You don't have to record it as the bracket. We don't need a March madness level bracket. People always say why not this one verse that one. Maybe they already know what he likes best and just go with those.
That is exactly what they've done. Ian has said multiple times in comments that he chose the model from each brand that Ian hit best to include in the bracket.
I hit the PXG today and couldn’t get it within 6 mph of my cobra. Trackman optimizer had it perfect in every area but ball speed. Even though contact was within mm of center. Fitter was totally confused why ball speed was so slow. Any thoughts on low ball speed with good numbers otherwise?
Production tolerances. He should've just tried a different head. I'm considering going to GG and hitting every triple diamond they have to pick out the fastest one lol😂
Original idea (good on paper) was picking Ian's "best" from the range. In reality for this competition it has to be the LS versions, lofted best for Ian. In saying that it's nice seeing the underdogs, from an expectation perspective heading for the final.
You know as a Callaway guy I really looked forward to this bracket but I feel like this was definitely not an accurate representation, you guys used every low spin driver on the market except the best driver on the market by going with the max instead. Very disappointing as I’ve always been a big supporter of you guys. Do better
Wish I could hit 315 yards and still say it wasn’t that great. Like what you guys do but the “mere” mortals aren’t like you. If I could hit 300 I would be ecstatic. Then again I’m 56 and only have really been playing for 15 yrs.
Hey Guys, obviously lots of comments suggesting that we should of use the Triple Diamond Callaway Head. When we first tested Taylormade and Callaway Drivers over the winter i hit the Ai Smoke Max and QI10 core heads the best. That's why we decided to include them into the bracket. I agree i hindsight we should probably have added the QI10 LS and Triple Diamond.
Maybe a bracket modification? Put QI10LS against Triple Diamond. Winner takes on the standard bracket winner for the 🏆.
@@chucksmerdon6256I would like to see a late addition, but it would be unfair to sneak both TM and Callaway in at the end when PXG, Srixon, and Cobra are spanking the big four.
@@jon4715 I realize that it may not be hundred percent fair but it would be the most informative. I’m getting ready to potentially purchase the triple diamond Callaway head and I don’t have a way to hit the PXG head but I’m a faster player like Ian but a little faster and I would like to see them compared on the same day to see which one performs. I mean they don’t have to be in the tournament, but I still like to see a head 2 head between those.
Maybe a battle of the low spinner models only
Maybe just do a video on them but not include them in the official bracket? I just want to see the info tbh
I got fitted for the PXG black ops a few weeks ago.
Yet to try outdoors.
But it beat out all other drivers I tested.
Straight and long.
Thought I was a Titleist guy but nope it’s PXG all the way now.
So much so I ended up getting the full PXG bag fitting as well.
Had TM.
Am set set up with the full 0317T’s.
I think PXG have something super special going on.
My 2 cents.
Been patiently waiting for this one! I absolutely LOVE my new PXG Tour-1.
Great to see both TM and Callaway kicked out! I absolutely wanna see PXG vs Cobra Darkspeed!!!!
If he would have used the LS models in each of those they would still be in the game. Not fair using others LS against std models....kinda defeats the purpose of this test.
@@jwalton2297 At the risk of repeating myself for the 100th time. When we tested Taylormade and Callaway Drivers over the winter i hit the AI Smoke Max and QI10 core heads the best. That's why they made it into the bracket.
I forget if Ian had tried to loft up the Taylormade during the review video but the Cobra was lofted up during the bracket. Not sure if that would have made the TM LS playable enough for the bracket though
@@ianfrasergolfno need to explain yourself. Some people wouldn't be satisfied no matter what you used.
@@ianfrasergolfjeez man, not everyone watches every single one of your videos.
I do, but this is a very weird response.
This is my favorite golf channel and it’s not close.
💙
love seeing the boys using GS Pro
Wish we could see the triple diamond vs pxg
Why when Ian hit the max better? Its been said a million times thats why he picked it same with TM
@@DanB-Is that really odd? Why is their LS worse?
@@jon4715it’s not “worse” just not a fit for him. Odds are spin is too low and the ball is just falling too soon, could be the lack of forgiveness too and he’s just spraying it everywhere.
That should be what the matchup should be too
@@laakuma Forgiveness is such a bizarre idea. Pros were hitting 300yd drives with persimmons. Imo, the reason why we need forgiveness is because beginners are playing with 46” long shafts in their drivers.
Would love to see you test the triple diamond with the weights changed! Curious what that would do!
This just goes to show how players swing changes from day to day, Ian's swing not quite as good as some of the other tests, but the difference of these drivers isn't that much. Great video guys.
I'd like to see you test the QI10 LS again but with the right loft. You struggled with spin (limited head options) in the launch video and then the stock was used in the bracket.
Yeh that test has to be redone soon!!
Pxg ....gotta be the favorite. NOTHING BETTER than seeing you guys give what I think is the most honest review ever. Seeing you guys give props to a dtc brand.....to me , it gives you the ultimate legitimacy in reviews. Love it. You guys are the best and this just proves it.❤
loved the srixon ls head but the stock stiff shaft was whippy for me, and i never had the ability to try an x or a different stiff.
If you filmed the Callaway and PXG today you should also do the cobra and Srixon also
I would have liked to see the Smoke 3D considering you guys went with the LS model of most of the drivers.
Tremendous video. The fact that PXG has come this far in my book they’ve won They truly have produced a great driver and it’s going in my bag. Nice video. Looking forward to the championship round. 👍🏻
I just ordered a Black OPS the other day. During the challenge, I gained 50 yards (my best drive) over the Taylormade Sim2 Max.
Great job on the bracket driver challenge!
Gentlemen! This is the real March Madness!!!
LOL, love the Mystic Meg reference there, Ian!
I think based on spin nunbers alone, there should have been some fitting process to see if changing launch back to stock or a different shaft option could make it more comparable. If you have already done that then fair enough but as fitters i would expect a bit more tweaking. I know this is almost a like for like comparison but clear to see the spin is higher so why not fit the player and swing a bit more?
I still would love to see Mikey do his own bracket every year just to see what comes out on top for him.
That's coming out on PPV very soon!! We have to find a way of paying Mikey's appearance fee.
Hahahahaha....Best response. 💀💀💀@@ianfrasergolf
Got love a semi on a Friday
I love how it carry’s 280 and they’re like not very far , when 80% of golfers would kill to carry it even 250 lol 🤦♂️
I would love to see a driver bracket featuring someone with a 85-95 mph swing. We old pharts need good information before parting with the $ but there isn't much testing aimed at our bracket. I'm 76 and swing at 90-95 with my driver. The clubs that would work for me aren't necessarily the same ones that Ian hammers at 110-115 mph.
Friend of mine went for the PXG driver fitting. Ordered a £799 driver (KBS shaft upgrade). Played with him recently, he couldn't keep the shots down. Sooo high! Not great when we play on a links course :( Iy's certainly put me off.
That PXG is really impressive, has Ian got it in his bag yet 😆
We haven’t formalised our relationship just yet. Technically were still courting. 😉
@@ianfrasergolfBetter tell your TSR3 now before she finds out the hard way!!
You need to see her in her sweatpants and baggy sweater with no makeup Ian 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@BigDawgCAM TSr3 knows we're in an open relationship!! 😂
@@ianfrasergolflmao @ianfrasergolf apologies if you’d answered this already; what are the weight ports set up with in the Tour 1 Head you’re hitting?
I'd like to see the PXG 0311 Black Ops (non-tour). Love the brackets.
In the market for a new driver. I have tsi3 and rogue st max. I get similar numbers with each. Thinking tsr2, g430 lst, ai smoke max or qi10.
Like that you went out of your way to explain how the Smoke Max isn't an LS head and is made for a little more forgiveness. Would have been nice if you explained that the same way with the Qi10 vs. an LS head in its last round.
One thing you have to keep in context is they are all good drivers and some are better by a few yards. Put I’m glad cobra seems to finally be up there with all the contenders. They’ve had good drivers the past few years
I really like Cally fairways and irons but haven’t gotten along with any of their drivers in years for whatever reason.
Why is it showing on the screen in the bottom left corner as 3W? Shouldn't it be D for the algorithms?
Maybe I missed it... Why aren't Taylormade and Callaway's low spin drivers in the bracket?
Please get back out on the golf course. I really enjoy watching you both golf..
Playing pxg gen 6 irons and putter. Awesome clubs. I’m playing g430 max driver. Tested pxg tour driver was def good. But I wanted to see couple hundred rpms less. What’s interesting though is a watched golfweeks 2024 ball test. And w my swing speed pxg ball (which I used in their fitting) was highest spinning ball. Prob could make up that little bit of spin with a ball more suited to me.
Interesting that three LS drivers are the final 3 drivers. Figured a higher MOI driver might have been able to sneak in there with a good accuracy session. Clearly indicating that the newer LS drivers are pretty forgiving and when we can control that spin a touch better, you see better overall results.
Agree, should be testing LS drivers vs LS drivers. They spin less and are designed to go further.
Indicates the foresight low spin bonus
Totally agree. Fun but flawed competition. Kind of an SMH type of logic here.
I don’t understand how everyone is having such a hard time with this triple diamond / LS debate. If he was using those two head the PXG/Cobra would have just beat them even worse lol. What fits him best is just what fits him best.
Which hole at streamsong did you get the hole in one?
How come you guys don’t offer the black ops range for fittings in store?
Pxg is direct to consumer
@@johnsnider2094 club champion already offers their gen6 and 0317 iron line up, so not entirely true.
We have ordered demo product, just awaiting arrival.
Good Session Boys... Looks like we have a candidate for Ian's first Swap/change of the year for WITBag ....LOL who would have "Thunk" it, PXG Eh?
Although I’d love to see the LS drivers all head to head, this is an interesting set of data that shows LS drivers have a place in the bag for long hitters. In around 180 ball speed and have heavily debated a more forgiving head but the spinny misses always deter me. It’s almost like I end up manipulating my swing to try and be low spin when I can fully release the LS heads without that concern.
What shaft are you using?
I would like to see Mike do this test.
How about a bracket for LS heads, one for 'regular' heads, and one for 'max' heads? Apples to apples comparison.
How about a regular speed hitting those drivers?
I have the standard Pxg. It’s straight also
Is there a bracket for most forgiving drivers of the year and if so, is the AI smoke one of the top?
I'm pretty sure that's 100% Ping. They've owned that title for a looong time.
Big brands are sweating!!!
Didn’t Ian get fit for PXG in Arizona,I’m predicting it will win. I’m sensing a little basis
Looked to me like the Callaway had more curve where the PXG were straighter or less curvature. Would prefer the PXG…..
Pretty obvious that PXG and Cobra have made the longest drivers of 2024
I think Srixon has a chance. I don’t think Ian hit it too well the first time. If he hits it better against the cobra I think it’s a sneaky sleeper.
For Ian
Keep in mind those are all LS models and this is Callaway’s Max model.
Ian....how are you not GAMING the PXG by now?
Good stuff boys! Any day now Mikey’s favorite commentators will actually watch the whole video before spamming “WHY WASN’T THE [XYZ MODEL] USED INSTEAD?!?!?” Makes me laugh after every single video lol
What app and driving range is that?
Awesome
I'll be honest, it looks like he gave better effort with the PXG. His swings were much more aggressive. You could see him trying to turn it over
I'd take all those drives, Ian!
Got to be pxg vs cobra for the final. I want to see that. Got a feeling cobra might win this year.
What degree is the PXG set at?
Seems that last year PXG had their lofts all messed up on drivers. Seemed that 7.5 loft was more like a 9.5 if I remember right.
Its a 9* head at 8* setting.
@@ianfrasergolf thanks Ian! Unbelievable content like always. You and Mikey spoil us!
Why was the club selection set to 3 wood? See bottom keft corner of sim display.
Does that selection impact the numbers?
No, it’s just a tag. We don’t have Driver 1 and Driver 2. Doesn’t affect the numbers.
@@ianfrasergolf thanks Ian!
Pxg looks like an upgraded Sim/Stealth! And I play a stealth lol
I still like callaway better. You could’ve thrown a bath towel on top of those first few drives with it. You were just not on the center line of the grid
PXG is looking tough to beat right now. It’s my pick for the 2024 bracket winner!
Line of the year! Sweating like a pig in a rubber suit. Going to steal that one, sir!
I believe that Cobra takes it this year. However, Titleist will be champion again in the next one!
Need to have a dbl Elim losers bracket to get second chance
What happened to the other dude that hit it like a machine?
That Callaway seemed really consistent. Didn't have the next gear like PXG but it was so consistent. Aside from the 2 shots where you really went after it and pulled it left I honestly thought this would be much closer for the Callaway. Gonna be hard to beat the Cobra.
I think I made this comment on the last PXG video, but that driver sounds so good. Best sounding of the bunch.
This just shows it has nothing to do with the club but the swing you have on a specific day. This is why I hate fittings that are done in a one day or one hour session. None of us are pros and none of us have repeatable swings like a pro. Give me a TM, Callaway, PXG, whatever and I guarantee you there will be days I hit one better than the other. And this will be true for most of us. Personally, unless you are an extremely short driver, the best driver to get is the one you hit lower dispersion with over and over when testing (not just one day)
For the PXG specifically, it is nice to see them finally getting the driver right. I have a Gen 4 which is a POS and I tried the Gen 5 which was no better. I still use my original Stealth and still love it. But for PXG to finally make a competitive driver after all their BS hype from past ones is good. You know what they say about blind squirrels...... ;) For me, I will sit this year out from buying anything new. Manufacturers need to stop with annual releases and start focusing on bringing costs down as they are pricing more people to go to DTC companies that offer much better value/performance.
Cobra
Any chance we could get a LS bracket?
Hey Guys, Great video as always. I think PXG will win the battle, if so I'm going to jump on a plane and get fitted for a whole bag of
PXG. Everything but my putter, I love my Scotty Cameron. Have a good weekend. See Ya's.
Ian, Please can you put in bold on the start of every video why the drivers were selected as people seem to not listen, or are just thick, the amount of comments saying test LS callaway/TM to make it fair/different outcomes is shocking! I cant believe how dumb people can be!
Agreed. Although, all the dumb, repetitive comments on every video do drive up engagement and gets the RUclips algorithm to recommend the video to more viewers so it's a double-edge sword.
Why is the Callaway the only one that you are not using the tour/ Low spin version
Qi10 as well.
TM, Ping, Callaway and Mizuno are all standard ??? Have you seen the bracket?
It's because when they did the initial Callaway and Taylor Made this was the model he was hitting the best.
@@ThalanX Thank you for noticing that!! 🙏🏼
@@ianfrasergolf😂😂😂
Any surprise Fras likes the Black Ops given it looks a lot like the original Sim... 😂
PXG is making good golf clubs but the price isn’t what it used to be….. I guess you have to keep up with the competitor
the other bracket shows you used a different tee. orange b4 now blue. could make considerable difference...no?
PXG hella impressive! Don't forget to loft up the Srixon Boys (9.5° head in std) . . .
Maybe next time have the lead up to the bracket. Find the version of each brand that Ian hits the best and then use that one.
So just include every single driver that’s come out this year? Seems easy… Lol
@RichardPalmbergDDS they hot them all. Just in initial testing. You don't have to record it as the bracket. We don't need a March madness level bracket.
People always say why not this one verse that one.
Maybe they already know what he likes best and just go with those.
Exactly what I said in the previous bracket video.
That is exactly what they've done. Ian has said multiple times in comments that he chose the model from each brand that Ian hit best to include in the bracket.
I hit the PXG today and couldn’t get it within 6 mph of my cobra. Trackman optimizer had it perfect in every area but ball speed. Even though contact was within mm of center. Fitter was totally confused why ball speed was so slow.
Any thoughts on low ball speed with good numbers otherwise?
Production tolerances. He should've just tried a different head.
I'm considering going to GG and hitting every triple diamond they have to pick out the fastest one lol😂
@@canyonaro I’m seeing this issue with every brand. My smash is always 1.42-1.45 with driver on Trackman.
Why was the club selected to 3w in the bottom corner? Does this affect the numbers at all?
No, makes no difference it’s just a tag.
Ian hit the cobra substantially better on the same as the pxg so I'm saying cobra ftw!
Cobra over PXG for the win
I hit the Smoke, wasn’t impressed, my Paradym was just as good.
Cobra kicks Srixon, then Cobra wins it all. I’m going to test Cobra again
Hi guys ,when testing pxg driver the club setting seems to be wrong?
It shows 3Wood
Choosing the Ai Max was a mistake should have been the Triple diamond.
Still think Ping 10k is the best driver on the market
It’s the bracket. 💎💎💎 needed to be in there.
Original idea (good on paper) was picking Ian's "best" from the range. In reality for this competition it has to be the LS versions, lofted best for Ian. In saying that it's nice seeing the underdogs, from an expectation perspective heading for the final.
Agreed!!
SO sponsored by PXG then
Why did you put the PXG Tour up against the Smoke max and not the Smoke Triple Diamond?
You know as a Callaway guy I really looked forward to this bracket but I feel like this was definitely not an accurate representation, you guys used every low spin driver on the market except the best driver on the market by going with the max instead. Very disappointing as I’ve always been a big supporter of you guys. Do better
PXG for the win!!!!!! Take that all you haters!!!!!!!!!! 💪💪💪💪💪
Think if the low spin TM &
Callaway heads were used their respective match ups would have had different outcomes.
Pretty funny how the most expensive (taylormade) always loses these brackets 😂
PXG is more expensive than TM.
PXG is an absolute bracket buster🎉
I feel like this would have been a better fight with Triple Diamond, I’ve found it to be very forgiving and longer than Max.
Wish I could hit 315 yards and still say it wasn’t that great. Like what you guys do but the “mere” mortals aren’t like you. If I could hit 300 I would be ecstatic. Then again I’m 56 and only have really been playing for 15 yrs.
Let’s see Triple Diamond and have an apples to apples comparison
Such a good driver