@@neekodevinchi nice. I'm pretty new to all of this mountain biking stuff. Might check out the Sandwell valley one in a few weeks. This looks stunning: ruclips.net/video/llcGjhMLEOc/видео.html. Keep up the great content.
Is there any reason that you've taken the DZ41 display off already? I was thinking about buying one, so I'm interested if you now have reservations about it...
Hi Hans, this footage was shot before I purchased the DZ41 display (it was shot before I uploaded my first Dengfu E10 video). I prefer the DZ41 display over the DPC241 because I can run it further outboard. Hope this helps and thanks for your comment👍🏿
Can you tell me where you got your horizional thumb throttle? I now have the verticle one and have to reach with thumb and gets OLD real fast. Yours looksto be in perfect location without reaching. Thank you
Apologies for the delay. The thumb throttle is simply a stock Bafang throttle. If you Google, 'bafang throttle BBSHD', you should find the exact same throttle. It is compatible 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi On your first E-10 video you had the (verticle) moving throttle, on RH side as I have. But later it looked as if you removed it for a (horiziontal) one on LH side next to grip. It's so hard to tell, I could be seeing things! Thanks
Lol. I see. I think you may have mistaken my dropper lever as a throttle lever 🙂. However, I have seen throttle levers which can be mounted can be actuated similar to a horizontal thumb styled shifter.
How did you fit a 210x60mm rear shock on the E-10 Frame? It says max is 210x55mm I would love to increase my rear travel as I ride hard. Enduro/DH/FR/AM/Trail I do it all. But I would like to increase my rear travel.
The Luna z1 is the Dengfu E22 (which I've also covered). You can buy complete E10s and E22s. Winice would be your best bet if you live in the states. Depending on the build and components, the price will vary. But Winice will work with customers to get a custom built E10/E22/E55 if you contact them. Tried be told, the majority of Dengfu owners tend to build them up. Its usually cheaper, as we may spot deals, E.g. I recently found Fox 36 160mm travel 29er forks on offer for £300 ($380) on offer through an online bike shop. So, it goes without saying, that building is cheaper compared to buying complete builds and possibly upgrading. Feel free to check out the Dengfu Facebook Community Group (Link in the Description)👍🏿
No. Those frames are made in the same factory as the E22 and E10. But they are not under the Dengfu catalogue of bikes. However, keep a watchful eye, as I have had requests to cover, build and review those particular frames👍🏿
Said it before, ill say it again. No one, is putting out valuable info on Dengfu topic like you are sir, and i freaking love it. Got my E10 on the way. Currently ordering all the fun bits. Do you know off hand, the longest dropper i can get away with on the medium frame? and and info/advice about droppers in general. (side note, id like a dropper lever that doesnt interfere with left hand thumb throttle) thanks man.
Hi there, many thanks for your kind words. I recently built a medium dengfu emtb which ran a 150mm dropper from Brand X. He is 5foot 10inches and he runs his dropper slammed with good leg extension. I did measure his seat tube length and am convinced that you could run a 160/170mm travel dropper from Brand X (maybe a 180 from One Up but I reserve judgement on that as I haven't tried it. As for levers, its difficult to reccomend a lever which could work well in conjunction with a throttle. In theory, you could use a grip twist throttle. However, I'd be somewhat cautious. Notwithstanding, it remains unclear whether you would prefer the throttle further outboard or inboard. Please get back to me as to how you would prefer to run the throttle and I can look into possible methods 👍🏿
I run a 200MM PNW RAINIER Gen 3 With travel Adjust & It fits perfectly. Though I'd recomend, going with a better brand if you can afford it. SDG Tellis, or a high end KS dropper, Rockshox Reverb is killer but way to expensive for me. All will fit with a 200mm travel. The E-10 has a lot of room for the dropper post.
Given you went long travel and changed the head angle slacker on the e22 - its got to be hard to really be sure which bike is the better DH bike? If you went bone stock and 150/160mm travel on both bikes, which do you think would be the better descender (as in more stable at higher speeds dh)?? I'm betting on the e10...
I'd say it depends on which frame size you buy, in accordance with the riders height/weight & dimensions. Being as I'm a tall rider of 6foot 3inches, I prefer to get into the bike to ensure stability, handling and control. Overall I'd say if both didn't have the 2 degree headsets and were both set up 160/150 travel, the geometry (with the exception of the reach, seat tube length, bb height and overall wheelbase (due to frame sizes) would near enough be identical. The weight difference between the two would probably be the determining factor as to which is more stable dh. Resulting in a hypothetical conclusion that the E22 would be the winner. However recognising that the leverage curve and anti squat figures differ between the two bikes (resulting in both frames favouring different set ups to achieve maximum effectiveness in rigorous terrain), it coincides with what I said in an earlier video. I.e. "they are two bikes designed to do the same. But the method as to how they execute it, differs". I'm still compiling my data between the two bikes so I'll share my findings once I've finished. Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
You want a DH bike Look into Fanatik get a E-bike with a triple Crown, if your a beginner & dead set on an e22 or e-10 your kind of stuck with a 2023 Rockshox Zeb Ultimate w/ 170mm travel 44 offset, or you start to get weird dimension. 170mm is the sweet spot. I run 160mm/160mm on my E-10 but plan to go to the Zeb Ultimate 170mm In time.
Personally, I can't see how an E10 (regardless of spec) can fetch up to 5500€. The Giant E Reign for 4500€ seems about right. Honestly, the Giant E Reign is a good emtb (very capable). If the E Reign is available, go for it. But if price is a concern, I gladly say that 5500€ is too much for an E10 (considering I built mine up for 3250€). Hope this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi The E10 + M600 + Battery costs 2500€ including shipping and taxes. 2500€ for components (ZEB, super deluxe, DT Swiss 1900 Hybrid Mullet wheels MT5, etc.) comes to 5000€. Your spec is lower, but how did you achieve 3250€?? The bike I was looking at is the TOSA AM1.0, it’s a built-up E10. Same spec level even costs 5800€ with them. I have no place and time to build a bike.. The Reign it is then (+Tuning Module)! A bit less power (680W vs 1000W), but decent components and a good price.
Whilst I appreciate that prices vary depending on where you buy an E10, I suspect that you could probably buy some of the components cheaper if you we're to shop around. The average price for a 170mm travel Zeb R fork is around £400-£450 (€473-€530). The average price for a DT Swiss H1900 Shimano HG wheelset would be around £350 (€420). In your circumstances, its important to weight up the costs between the two. But I would say that building up your own bike does tend to be cheaper than buying from a bike shop 👍🏿
I have th e06 fat ebike, Looking at either the e10 or e22 with the m620.I'm not having much luck finding either of these frames for sale? I'm in canada planing on getting the bike built here in canada. Anybody have links?
Apologies for the delay. Please check the Dengfu E22 Frameset thread on Emtb Forums for legitimate links to suppliers for the E10 and E22. I try to keep the links up to date as much as possible regarding availability. Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
I’m still waiting for you to do a review on a Chinese alloy frame full Suss instead of the dreaded carbon. No way I’m gonna be riding a carbon bike here on The Wrekin. That simply ain’t gonna happen.
It can be. When the motor is at the upper end of peak output, you'll hear it. But no more louder than some of the mainstream brand emtb motors (in my opinion)👍🏿
Watching now!
Thanks John. Much appreciated 👍🏿
Might need to change those break pads.
I did. I typically run sintered pads but I ran the resin pads which came stock with the brakes when I built up the E10v1👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi nice. I'm pretty new to all of this mountain biking stuff. Might check out the Sandwell valley one in a few weeks. This looks stunning: ruclips.net/video/llcGjhMLEOc/видео.html. Keep up the great content.
Is there any reason that you've taken the DZ41 display off already? I was thinking about buying one, so I'm interested if you now have reservations about it...
Hi Hans, this footage was shot before I purchased the DZ41 display (it was shot before I uploaded my first Dengfu E10 video).
I prefer the DZ41 display over the DPC241 because I can run it further outboard.
Hope this helps and thanks for your comment👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Gotcha. Nice one. Thanks for the reply, man.
Can you tell me where you got your horizional thumb throttle?
I now have the verticle one and have to reach with thumb and gets OLD real fast. Yours looksto be in perfect location without reaching.
Thank you
Apologies for the delay. The thumb throttle is simply a stock Bafang throttle.
If you Google, 'bafang throttle BBSHD', you should find the exact same throttle. It is compatible 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi On your first E-10 video you had the (verticle) moving throttle, on RH side as I have. But later it looked as if you removed it for a (horiziontal) one on LH side next to grip. It's so hard to tell, I could be seeing things! Thanks
Lol. I see. I think you may have mistaken my dropper lever as a throttle lever 🙂.
However, I have seen throttle levers which can be mounted can be actuated similar to a horizontal thumb styled shifter.
How did you fit a 210x60mm rear shock on the E-10 Frame? It says max is 210x55mm I would love to increase my rear travel as I ride hard. Enduro/DH/FR/AM/Trail I do it all. But I would like to increase my rear travel.
Looks like the lunacycle x2 frames is it e10 frame????
Yes. the Luna X2 is a Dengfu E10. You may see other ebikes which look like the Luna x2. But essentially, they are ALL Dengfu E10s👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi what about the Luna z1 ? Where can I buy a e10 already built is it cheaper than buying the x2
The Luna z1 is the Dengfu E22 (which I've also covered). You can buy complete E10s and E22s. Winice would be your best bet if you live in the states.
Depending on the build and components, the price will vary. But Winice will work with customers to get a custom built E10/E22/E55 if you contact them.
Tried be told, the majority of Dengfu owners tend to build them up. Its usually cheaper, as we may spot deals, E.g. I recently found Fox 36 160mm travel 29er forks on offer for £300 ($380) on offer through an online bike shop. So, it goes without saying, that building is cheaper compared to buying complete builds and possibly upgrading.
Feel free to check out the Dengfu Facebook Community Group (Link in the Description)👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi thank you so much what about the biktrix Monte capro or the flx weapon x what frames are those deng fu?
No. Those frames are made in the same factory as the E22 and E10. But they are not under the Dengfu catalogue of bikes.
However, keep a watchful eye, as I have had requests to cover, build and review those particular frames👍🏿
Said it before, ill say it again. No one, is putting out valuable info on Dengfu topic like you are sir, and i freaking love it. Got my E10 on the way. Currently ordering all the fun bits.
Do you know off hand, the longest dropper i can get away with on the medium frame? and and info/advice about droppers in general. (side note, id like a dropper lever that doesnt interfere with left hand thumb throttle) thanks man.
Hi there, many thanks for your kind words.
I recently built a medium dengfu emtb which ran a 150mm dropper from Brand X. He is 5foot 10inches and he runs his dropper slammed with good leg extension. I did measure his seat tube length and am convinced that you could run a 160/170mm travel dropper from Brand X (maybe a 180 from One Up but I reserve judgement on that as I haven't tried it.
As for levers, its difficult to reccomend a lever which could work well in conjunction with a throttle. In theory, you could use a grip twist throttle. However, I'd be somewhat cautious. Notwithstanding, it remains unclear whether you would prefer the throttle further outboard or inboard.
Please get back to me as to how you would prefer to run the throttle and I can look into possible methods 👍🏿
I run a 200MM PNW RAINIER Gen 3 With travel Adjust & It fits perfectly. Though I'd recomend, going with a better brand if you can afford it. SDG Tellis, or a high end KS dropper, Rockshox Reverb is killer but way to expensive for me. All will fit with a 200mm travel. The E-10 has a lot of room for the dropper post.
Given you went long travel and changed the head angle slacker on the e22 - its got to be hard to really be sure which bike is the better DH bike?
If you went bone stock and 150/160mm travel on both bikes, which do you think would be the better descender (as in more stable at higher speeds dh)?? I'm betting on the e10...
I'd say it depends on which frame size you buy, in accordance with the riders height/weight & dimensions.
Being as I'm a tall rider of 6foot 3inches, I prefer to get into the bike to ensure stability, handling and control.
Overall I'd say if both didn't have the 2 degree headsets and were both set up 160/150 travel, the geometry (with the exception of the reach, seat tube length, bb height and overall wheelbase (due to frame sizes) would near enough be identical. The weight difference between the two would probably be the determining factor as to which is more stable dh. Resulting in a hypothetical conclusion that the E22 would be the winner.
However recognising that the leverage curve and anti squat figures differ between the two bikes (resulting in both frames favouring different set ups to achieve maximum effectiveness in rigorous terrain), it coincides with what I said in an earlier video. I.e. "they are two bikes designed to do the same. But the method as to how they execute it, differs".
I'm still compiling my data between the two bikes so I'll share my findings once I've finished.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi thx. i asked before learning you changed HA on both bikes...now i've read that massive 40+ page thread on the forums lol.....
You want a DH bike Look into Fanatik get a E-bike with a triple Crown, if your a beginner & dead set on an e22 or e-10 your kind of stuck with a 2023 Rockshox Zeb Ultimate w/ 170mm travel 44 offset, or you start to get weird dimension. 170mm is the sweet spot. I run 160mm/160mm on my E-10 but plan to go to the Zeb Ultimate 170mm In time.
My new bike is stuck at Felixstowe, gutted
Oh no.
Fingers crossed, it'll start moving beyond the ports and into your hands🤞🏿
Thanks for sharing dude👍🏿
Is the rear drop out 148mm boost?
Yes. All dengfu emtbs are boost 12x148 👍🏿
Giant Reign E+2 4500€ or an E10 M600 build for 5500€?
Personally, I can't see how an E10 (regardless of spec) can fetch up to 5500€.
The Giant E Reign for 4500€ seems about right.
Honestly, the Giant E Reign is a good emtb (very capable). If the E Reign is available, go for it. But if price is a concern, I gladly say that 5500€ is too much for an E10 (considering I built mine up for 3250€).
Hope this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi The E10 + M600 + Battery costs 2500€ including shipping and taxes. 2500€ for components (ZEB, super deluxe, DT Swiss 1900 Hybrid Mullet wheels MT5, etc.) comes to 5000€. Your spec is lower, but how did you achieve 3250€?? The bike I was looking at is the TOSA AM1.0, it’s a built-up E10. Same spec level even costs 5800€ with them. I have no place and time to build a bike..
The Reign it is then (+Tuning Module)! A bit less power (680W vs 1000W), but decent components and a good price.
Whilst I appreciate that prices vary depending on where you buy an E10, I suspect that you could probably buy some of the components cheaper if you we're to shop around.
The average price for a 170mm travel Zeb R fork is around £400-£450 (€473-€530). The average price for a DT Swiss H1900 Shimano HG wheelset would be around £350 (€420).
In your circumstances, its important to weight up the costs between the two. But I would say that building up your own bike does tend to be cheaper than buying from a bike shop 👍🏿
I have th e06 fat ebike, Looking at either the e10 or e22 with the m620.I'm not having much luck finding either of these frames for sale? I'm in canada planing on getting the bike built here in canada. Anybody have links?
Apologies for the delay. Please check the Dengfu E22 Frameset thread on Emtb Forums for legitimate links to suppliers for the E10 and E22.
I try to keep the links up to date as much as possible regarding availability.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
So whats better the e22 or e10, whats your call?
Sincere apologies for the delay.
I'll share my findings in due course. So keep a watchful eye on upcoming content 👍🏿
Hey do you remember DJ Q?
Its been a while since I've heard someone talking about DJ Q 😀. Yes, I remember him. Brings me back to my college days.
Thanks for your comment and 👊🏿
@@neekodevinchi yessir. Bassline is so good 🤙
I’m still waiting for you to do a review on a Chinese alloy frame full Suss instead of the dreaded carbon. No way I’m gonna be riding a carbon bike here on The Wrekin. That simply ain’t gonna happen.
what motor is that , sounds very quiet.
I was using the Bafang M500 for this video.
Agreed, it is quiet.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
I’ve ordered a m510 if it’s as quiet as that I’ll be very happy👍
It can be. When the motor is at the upper end of peak output, you'll hear it. But no more louder than some of the mainstream brand emtb motors (in my opinion)👍🏿
brake pads needs some sanding haha
Yeah, they needed to be bed in back then. But they're sharp grabby now😅.
Appreciate the comment👍🏿