PO-33 VS MPC3000 // Can you hear the difference?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Even as writing this i am still shocked how lo-fi and dirty that sampler was.. maybe i'll redo the test against something else just to make sure. With MPC 3000 Prices being so high lately i wanted to run it up against one of the cheapest hardware samples that isn't an app that i could find! Teenage Engineering Enters the room So i put it head to head against the PO-33 KO sampler!
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00:00 Why would i do this
01:22 Limited Edition Shirt
02:00 Comparing Single Samples
06:08 Building the Comparison Song
07:50 PO-33 Voice Issue
08:40 Song Comparison
11:28 Blind Test - can you tell the difference?
12:46 Final Thoughts
14:09 Outro jam and MPC 3000 Workflow Jam
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“Everything sounds different. Nothing matters. Make music with whatever you’ve got.” 💯🌊
Exactly, most music we love has been done on so many different machines, MPC 3000, Sp 1200, Battery, Maschine, FL studio, other drum maschines, samplers, synth drum sounds. Pro tools, garageband, logic, It doesn't matter, its about the music. I remember Pharrell once saying many early neptunes hit tracks used the stock HIp Hop drum kit from the Korg Triton. He said they picked hip hop because the preset said hip hop, while most people were sleeping on the korg or hatin, like thats hip hop light. but later on they changed there equipment. ITs still neptunes, Dj premier does a beat on any machine, its premier...
Appreciate you Jason, Thanks for cruising by :)
I just have my crummy voice, what am I gonna do with that, huh?!
You know your content is good when people with none of this gear love you videos!! Thanks!!
I never really try to make whole tracks on the KO...usually sample birds, noises and voicemails of my girlfriend cursing me out lol. Love the mic on this thing!
Lmfao at the vm samples
Share your music I want to hear how your gf curse you
U can try using koala sampler. Kinda like po and sp
@@jieelyuu I gotcha but the last record I used it I chopped n scrwed it a lil so you can't make out too much of what she's saying lol
@@arisbeats my next move is a sp404 or mpc..
I can just put these kind of vids, of yours, on endless repeat. I really love how you are creating beats and 'discussing them'. Keep up the cool work. :)
Thanks for all your videos during these testing times. Your positivity and content is greatly appreciated
I love straight up love how you point out different vs bad or good. So much of the skill with these instruments is knowing where to find the differences. Nice work!
Man, I love the way you open your videos. And, you’ve made me crave a Chemex pour.
Real nice drum sounds in this one man, I hope you keep those sample packs coming!
This channel has the best vibes. That workflow jam at the end was so tight.
It sounded like the MPC had greater separation between the sounds, which helped enhance the clarity beyond being cleaner
I enjoy referencing these A / B tests on my phone speaker as well. B had the edge on depth and clarity. I am surprised by how fildelity can translate even to these trash speakers. It's also valuable in the same way referencing on a car stereo can be. Great stuff Ricky!
Love that sample pack! I'm gonna use it right now! Dope vid as usual :)
Thanks Mylan! Also thank you for being a memeber! Dope badge
Always the best. Your MPC vids are always my fav!
Glad you like them! Thanks for the support B.C.
Love it. You’re a beast, Ricky
Always interesting & enjoyable bredren👍🏾
Any video that ends: "what did we learn? Nothing matters" gets a thumbs up. Just discovered your channel and totally love your vibe. You get me excited to create!!
What we learned, you can't really go wrong with a PO33. Awesome little sampler for creating fun grooves on a budget.
Man, that jam at the end... could listen to that for hours!
23:20 that’s where the magic happens... tight Ricky!
Just today i was talking about how underrated the po-33 is. It's basically like a super accessible version of the sp-404
except the 404 has nearly unlimited sample time and unparalleled effects
@Jayo Delaware And some folks just prefer the gritty sounds.
@Jayo Delaware If u think the SP 1200, and MPC 60 dont have hiss, i will gladly tell you they both do :p
Ricky, there is a certain tone to your videos that I can put it on background and not be distracted by either your talking or your demos, which is kindof cool actually as it combines an ASMR vibe as well as music playlist vibe without being predictive at all while knowing that it is all improv removes the need to get anal with selections and mood building etc, you have hit a nice style in RUclips videos that make it ambient music and educational or expository all at the same time, which I think sets you apart from everyone else doing music demos or gear reviews. Peace.
It's delightful to watch you make music :D
This is gonna be one of those jams that i keep revisiting, to just leave playing in the background. Tight
Great video! I thought the PO 33/133 sound was so gritty when I first try''d it. To the point where I thought I was imagining it lol
I don't really know how to say this but there's something magical about your videos - you know, it's like there's a certain vibe or warmth or whatever that makes you feel like (yeah, I know this sounds cheesy and all but I'll say it anyway) you're hanging out with an old friend who knows a bunch of stuff about music production. Keep up the great work!
Lol
It has to do with
a) the high quality of the video
b) his conversational style and overall charisma
But yeah, these videos feel like home
I got mine a couple days ago, to accompany my sp404sx, not too good at producing yet, but that is what PRACTICE is for!!
SP's are great, it's tactile and fun. I miss my SX.. and my 202, and my OG.
@@sebp400 yeah they are. They are great, loving mine
Nice 👍🏿 Track🥳, THANKS for your consistency 🌟⭐️🌟
I see you, @Ricky Tinez ! Now I have to get those sound packs! Well played, sir! Also, a quick thought on voice stealing spurred by the KO's voice limits: it's a pain, but voice stealing can be REALLY useful in creating variation. I have a Juno 106 with a voice that's been going out intermittently. The cool thing is when I sequence and track bigger chords (7ths and 9ths with lots of notes), the missing note ends up "round robin" dropping through the sequence, creating variation when I track it out. This really helps me in avoiding the repetitive loop problem in my music, because it's never quite the same as it repeats...
Oh I love that about my Pro 3! It’s 3 voices and I’ll do 4-5note chords. And even hitting the same chord sounds different
Same here - I had one voice that totally went so i replaced it with the Analogue Renaissance chip, but I've still got one voice that is on its way out and has a very subtle distortion to is, so yeah, every chord sounds different!
By the end of every video of yours I feel such a creative push that I just jump straight to my gear. Cheers!
Love your vids, cant get enough mpc3000!
A video is much needed, where after all this time of retiring the 3000, you sit back in front of it and share what you come up with it :)
Great video!
Nice video, the MPC sounds fab. but, if you had both, would be great the blend em to get interesting textures...both have their own charm.
I love your vids u actually inspired me to get the ko and a mpc live 2
Huge fan of the KO myself. No, it won't replace my MPCs but for something under $100 that fits in your pocket, it's damn good little beat maker. I use it all the time.
definitely preferred B but not even surprised at how powerful the PO-33 can be. excellent video ricky!
Great video! Thanks
Legend has it if you plug in 5 mpc's in the same room and spin in a circle 4 times Ricky Tinez will give your fourth spin an extra boost of spin and a ghost pad hit
Hahahaha 😂
Wtf
Those little freestyle sweeps had such Boards of Canada energy🤤
Not sure what part you're referring to, but I felt more of Basic Channel energy. (regardless he's in good company ;)
If I wanted clean I'd use my laptop ;) great vid!
yo ricky! i saw the drum x sample pack comes with a good number of kicks and snares, are those round robins of the same sound or different sounds altogether?
Damn, I didn't know the KO had that much bit distortion.... It sounds amazing. So, I'm guessing the Pocket Operator is below 44.1Khz (possibly 32Khz).
What changes a lot during the A/B blind test is the PAN - A sounds really "mono" to my ears and B is more stereo-spread (especially to the left on the pad)
bought some sample packs from your site, really good content. I would love to submit designs to you for use on your merch
Hey ricky! Have you ever considered streaming? I could watch you jam for hours!
Keep it up!
In a live setting, I'm not sure an audience would 1) notice, 2) care THAT much. If the PO sounds fairly close to a freakin MPC.. traveling light might be a better solution for some. This side-by-side comparison is dope af.
love it 🔥
I’ve been enjoying the Model Cycles sample pack made by you a lot! I bet this one is also great!
Good stuff Ricky! ✌️
Oh nice bro! Thanks for picking it up
Yes. Listening to a sound comparison through my laptop speakers :D
My pick was A. I‘m Lucky cause I own the KO not the 3000 :-)
I love the sound of the PO-33 more in this instance, they are both amazing machines
great video, informative and fun
peace
I wasn't sure which was which honestly except that B had more midrange push which is a characteristic that the older akais have (imo) A sounded glued together well but with less separation. The KO hits above it's weight on somethings and you are right the 3000 is way too much these days.
I remember that you have an MPC2000. Can you do an MPC2000 vs MPC3000 or MPC2000 vs PO-33 videos? I would love to watch it over and over again!
Sometimes, if I want to keep my grime but define it a bit, I’ll sweep the mids flat and put a little high airy EQ on the top to give it juuuust a bit of definition.
yeah, air, I sometimes use an exciter for this in Renoise.
Honestly, a great video to make me want to snatch that little $90 smasher.
dude you can literally just upload videos of you jamming out on the mpc and it would be the greatest thing ever
Sound in the KO is affected by the input entry. If you sample with the mic is much more clean than if u sample with a cable. I think that the hiss sound that is easier to hear in low end samples has to be with the entry and something else. Not sure what is, but if you go back to the manufacturer settings, sometimes you can sample again without too much hiss sound. When my KO was mint new it didnt have this hiss so loud, no it has it. Am i crazy? =)
I love that with my po33 i can sample vinyl so easily like it's literally just 1 aux and I can make a beat in the po or pass it to logic no more shenanigans truly one of the best samplers
Hay bud, I'm am electronic industrial artist and I'm looking to get a drum machine for making trap/glitch/industrial/electronic music and I really want a digitakt but after watching your videos I'm not sure if I should get an MPC One... I've been saving for months and still have a few to go for the digitakt but am I making a mistake?
Are there any videos of you working on a Maschine?
The 3k sounds way more clean, the highs are so sharp, and god de lows are wow, but if you remove the dirtyness of the ko, I kinda like its warmth in the mid frequency, like everything sounds like glued together, organic in a way..
Slick title change I see you
I would love it if you did MPC 3000 vs MPC Live 1/2 or even MPC one in terms of sound quality. There’s really nothing out there showcasing the sound quality of the new MPCs.
Actually even better maybe to compare track outs from a Daw and MPC Live. Just to see if there’s any difference in the raw sound quality.
I think you could've gotten the bass on the PO-33 by using layered samples (i.e. kick+hi-hat, kick+hi-hat+snare, etc).
Yeah, I also guessed B. Even though the samples clean sound almost the same I can still tell, but only from hearing both, back to back. The MPC has more bass and punchiness? I'm surprised spell check says that's a word, lol.
Side note, I just found the PO-133 street fighter sampler used for $60!!!! I am so stoked, I hope there's nothing wrong with it.
Great video
Amazing music !
Does the KO do stereo? Could really hear the song collapse on the KO but on it's own (without doing the comparison) the KO still sounds great. I would also have to pick the 3K.
Nah it's all mono. That's actually a lot of what I used it for, sampling things into summed mono because my 2000XL can't do summed mono and I didn't want just the left or the right. Plus the KO makes things sound thicc and dirty.
Honestly, the big thing about the 3000 is how tight the timing is. Other than the 60 obviously, if I was going to describe an MPC as having character it would be the 2000/2000xl because of the filter bug (setting the resonance to 0 doesn't actually turn the resonance all the way down like it was supposed to, so everything you play on it always has a bit of a bump on the highs). But the internal timing in the 2000 is loose enough that if you stack copies of the same sample and trigger them from a single pad you'll end up getting some phase issues. On the 3000 that was a common way to boost kicks and snares but it doesn't work on any later MPC (at least up through the 5000, maybe it works again on the newer versions) because the timing isn't sample accurate; I've had a few friends at Akai over the years and apparently it was a common issue for tech support when producers were switching from the 3000 to the 2000 in the early '00s and tried stacking samples like they were used to. I used a 2000xl as the center of my setup for 8 years and I definitely noticed it.
But like the video says, you can make good music on just about anything. I regret not buying the $450 MPC3000 I was looking at a few years back but I'd never pay anywhere near what they sell for today, even if I could afford it.
Quite the irony in Teenage Engineering providing some fairly priced hardware that is useful.
when i get that noise on my samples in my PO33, i just filter a little bit and add resonance. it cleans up the sound good
haha was lookin through the comments to find this tip, the filter cleans it up nicely indeed
yeah, for real, I can get clean drum sounds when sampled hot enough and filtered. It's awesome like you said, with a tiny bit of resonance on kicks, sometimes. I do that a lot for secondary kicks.
which was the first mpc to feature sample slicing?
just ordered my P.O. 33 yesterday!
Ricky, you could have copy all your drum sounds in one drum slot because they're short and don't play at the same time. So you would have 3 voices left for bass, chord and smth else. I usually use kick and snare on same slot and hats on second one. Drum slots are very versatile, you can copy there a lot of melodic sounds too and change pitch using automation. Also I usually load 16 chromatic sounds into drum slot because melodic section is limited to diatonic with harmonic note.
i'm starting to be convinced that you don't really need expensive equipment to make good music etc. it's how you use what you have that makes it effective or not.
What you just wrote is the total truth.
@Dindu Nuffin i'm convinced even more
See also, Nirvana, Ramones, the 808, etc
Hey man! I went to check out the t-shirt and it says 20% of profits go to charity, not 100%. Can you clarify, please?
motor is motor, NOT !!, There's more to the MPC3000 than sounds. What about the incredible sequencer that no computer can touch. Great Video.
In A, the chord sample was in top center and in B the chords were in top left. Don't know if you panned it, but thats my impression.
btw the cheapest hardware sampler is the old Roland MS-1 (I think), check it out!
I've been telling people as well, use whatever you have.
I think that KO's tempo is faster than the MPC's.
Anyway, a nice comparison.
With the video's idea i can say...... the difference is not 90 to 3800, in sound or in the workflow. I don't have to say to you, the owner of the gear, the difference between the devices is huge but in this particular video i see how great the PO 33 is even in front of a "hard to beat" situation. Great video as aleays!!!!
Next level; volca sample with pajen dominanted
One was designed to be cheap, pocket-sized, and quirky; and the other is based on two decades of experience making musical instruments for professional producers and performers. There's bound to be a few subtle differences as a result.
@brokenupbeat Who said it sucks? Refer to Jason Hogans' comment.
I picked out the MPC right away, thought it sounded way muddier
very interesting and entertaining. the 3K difference is not soooo obvious...
Thanks.
i knew the differences as the snares play differently but i do prefer the bottom end of the 3000 much more, sounds allot more richer
Ordered a birthday special t-shirt dude, peace x
James thanks for the support!!
Niiiice jaaaam !
so dope
You should compare how they fit into your jeans.
hahahaha
question, what’s up with the akai s rack mounts? are they the same as mpc’s just in a rack?
Minus the pads and sequencer, plus model numbers don’t line up exactly but yes, the sampling is far more extensive though. The converters, some hardware etc are identical.
@@mechasartre3694 thanks bub 👍
best solution would be go for a old maschine model with a used laptop you can do everything like a mpc
At the time of the third stimulus check I was so close to just going for a 3k but decided not to - asking prices have gone up a grand since then. Doesn't look like they're selling for $3800+ but yeeeeesh. I could get a 2500 and a real Culture Vulture and some other pedals for that.
Yea its crazy expensive, like less than my one month salary to be honest (not flexing at all, just trying to make a point, there are folks with billions lying around, I aint one of them :)), I could nick it next week, but I am thinking I already have gear that merits my style of music and I have a backlog of projects to complete as well as future ones to complete. Having one more gear is not going to add value beyond the same feature set in a new machine with a sonic signature that can be approximated with other equipment as well. In addition to buying a new flight case for it, transportation costs and future maintenance etc, I could buy it as a money insurance if I need to re sell it at even higher, but honestly speaking, its mostly nostalgia. There is also a danger of porting all my existing projects from one platform to the next just cos I fall in love with another new gear at the wrong time etc...I am sure it will add a value in future or even now, its just that even if I can easily afford it, it is not the right time for me to get this, I will be doing disservice to my existing workflow as well as the investments already made. You cannot buy musicianship for sure, so playing a proper acoustic instrument or an amplified one as well as deep music theory and academic study is the first priority for me as that dont come without the daily rigour, no MPC gonna give me that.
dat 3k looks awesome with wood pannels
The ko is like a baby novation circuit rhythm . I think its a great little sampler especially for boombap house and dnb its not to great for anything else .
Need 2 po 33 setup for more polyphony
Also the crazy idea with two PO33's, is sampling one another to record two voices into one etc :X
Maybe compare it to a phone with a sampler app?