Symbolism, Realism, and a Nordic Playwright Grudge Match: Crash Course Theater #33
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2018
- It's a Scandinavian grudge match on Crash Course Theater. We're looking at a couple of the key movements in European theater that deeply influenced the modern theater of today. We'll take a close look at two of the most radical and influential European playwrights of the 19th century, who just happened to be mortal enemies. Henrik Ibsen of Norway, and Swede August Strindberg reshaped theater, between bouts of hating each other.
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Excuse me I need to go binge-watch Season 133 of "Bourgeois People in Trouble"
I think today that title would actually be "First World Problems: A White Westerner's Tragedy ".
Ibsen's level of pettiness is a big mood
Strindberg insanity is revolting.
Honestly if someone like that is my rival I'd behave even worse than Ibsen.
Rivality could be as tough as pushing a car sometime
Re: "the slam heard around the world" - my understanding from at least one translator and a dramaturg I knew working on a production of A Doll House (not the same translation) is that the stage direction in Norwegian merely describes the sound of a door closing. How the door closes is up to the director. It wasn't until the feminist movement of the mid-20th century that it more popularly became a slam. While Ibsen did write some of the earliest depictions of complex female characters, Nora's departure is not this bold feminist statement. It is just as easy to see it as Nora leaving into a world of frightening uncertainty. She has no marketable skills. She has no family to return to. Women didn't have the kinds of opportunities we have now. She just as well could be going out there to a life of misery on the streets. It IS a brave decision, but it's also one that is probably scary as hell for her.
Speaking of Chekhov next week (SO EXCITED!) and translations, in college, I directed one of his short farces, The Bear. It's an opposites attract romantic comedy, which ends in an argument that culminates in a kiss. As a feminist, I really hate the trope of the man who kisses the protesting woman who melts into his arms. So I checked a bunch of different translations and even consulted a Russian speaker on how it reads in the original Russian. All confirmed that the stage direction is simply, "A long/prolonged kiss." Not which character initiates it (though the dialog implies the man does). So I decided to turn it around and have her successfully fend off his attempt to kiss her only to have her abruptly pull the surprised man in for a kiss after all.
Tl;dr: stage directions often allow for a lot more directorial influence than some might expect. You just have to keep your mind open.
I've just read Doll's House and Miss Julie, so I came back to this video. I can confirm that Ibsen is cool and Strindberg is a big weirdo. I LOVED Doll's House and was very impressed by Miss Julie, because it's at the same time intriguing and very, VERY weird. Strindberg's preface is even weirder. But I can see why both of them were important to theatre. Thanks for the great content!
Intrestingly Stindberg was a friend of Munchs (Yes that Munch), but Munch also built set decorations for bsen's Ghosts play in Berlin.
"And finally checks the mail." 😂
Chekhov next weeeek! Yessss! Just gonna leave this rifle on the wall for a bit...
Jaime Nyx I see what you're doing here
I'm not gonna lie. I cheered. Chekhov is my jam.
You do that! I'm building the set of a sci-fi play and am going to leave this phaser on the navigator's workstation of the U.S.S. Enterprise. I think it belongs to him.
This is a delight! My students better love this or they will lose me forever!
I've watch probably all of the crash courses and this guy is my favorite. You tell them myths, MIke!
Amazing video this week - I've been hugely inspired. Thank you!!
These should have so many more likes and views. Awesome work, as always!!
So many catalysts for Fröken Julie, from parental issues to sheer chance... and most villains nowadays have only two or three Freudian excuses or cynicism catalysts...
This is awesome :) You could do mini ones that just sum up plays...
I cannot believe you mentioned Peer Gynt without quietly playing In The Hall Of The Mountain King in the background
No need, it was playing in my mind for a while
from now on im calling my period my 'monthly indisposition' 10:42
I just want to clarify for how you made something I was completely uninterested and ignorant of interesting enough to watch till the end even though I clicked by accident. Thanks for 13 minutes of new info.
I'd love to see a Ibsen vs. Strindberg Hark! A Vagrant cartoon.
Ross Webster Already mentally picturing that xD
@Dylan Chouinard That's brilliant! You'd do Kate Beaton proud. XD
A Nemesis! like no other.
Ross Webster Me five! Kudos for the script of the cartoon!
Too bad she *just* quit working on them, huh?
Thanks I will binge these vids.
Loved it! Thank you 🧡🌻✨🌸🧸
Yeah...gonna have to watch this one over again. So much interesting info, so much "Wha........what?!"-ing, so much that went over my head because it was just not what I expected. Take two.
It's surprising you didn't talk more about the immense importance of "An Enemy of the People", which is a huge championing of individualism, or individual responsibility, and the possible destructiveness of herd mentality on the herd itself.
At UNM ( University of New Mexico) we were taught of Ibsen, Strindberg, and Chekhov as all being key to the illusionism movement, and the birth of the fourth wall as a fun side note. I'm interested to see if you the this in next time with Chekhov, but if Anton was inspired by the previous two I wouldn't be surprised.
YES! I've been waiting for this all day.
Is that sad?
Can't wait for Grand Guignol. ;D
Well, Strindberg was a 'very' special individual who would go 100% in one direction of thought, just to randomly turn 120 degrees and go just as purposefully that way. For example, from being a convinced antisemite, he suddenly changed his mind and started to speak against antisemitism. Even his deranged views of women could change on a whim, and did so many times through his life.
In short, he was an insane genious who wrote fantastic work. Not only plays, but many books as well.
These people are always the greatest of minds, to think many things but never really sticking to any one of them.Even Plato said so. But today people seem to think it is more important to behave and think in a political correct manner rather than the importance of what you create. How can anyone be truly creative with such a lid on their soul.
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Well, I personaly think it is not that simple. Thiese types of rare hyper intelligent, borderline insane, people can be creative in both positive and negative ways, so a counter balance is needed to a degree. How it should be distributed between the two in order to get the best balance is a matter of debate.
Lets Crash this Course
And this one I think you'll enjoy Mike, at University I came up with a more modern vision of the classic Roman play Pseudolus, which is set in the roaring 20s. Can't say anymore or someone will steal the idea.
I learn as much as I chuckle at Mike's asides. Great course and presenter. Thanks for sharing.
Great vid
Now I gotta wonder if there's gonna be a French Symbolism episode. Or at least a name-drop of Maeterlinck (sp?) of Pelleas et Melisande fame
I am just kidding your channel is good keep up the great work.
"An Enemy of the People" is one of the greatest plays ever, and still is. It's SO relevant even today. Environmentalism and its impact on the individual vs. government.
"A Doll's House" is also extremely relevant today. Feminism.
Not feminism, actually! He said himself that he didn't support feminism, but supported the idea of equal rights for ALL human beings even though problems for women were prominent in that time and even today
While I'm grateful for their creativity that advanced theater to its next stage, both of these guys are not someone I would like to have converstation with.
That's true of a lot of very talented artists. Michelangelo was a nightmare to deal with, along with Gaguin. Picasso treated women like stupid animals, Dostoyevsky was rather abrasive. Beethoven was not a man anyone could love for long, and Bach was cantankerous and petty.
I enjoyed studying the Dollhouse in Uni. Been waiting for this. Lovely.
p.s. The Father almost made me hate Naturalism and I still don't think much of it.
Talent and great works aren't always inspiring.
+ sorry great isn't the right word for The Father.
We are getting closer to our own time, the lessons can now be illustrated with actual photographs.
Strindberg seems like a late 19th century Alan Moore or Frank Miller.
You won’t hear “Bourgeois” this much again til Crash Course Revolutions
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In a way, Strindberg was thinking in a typically Scandinavian way when he explained the tragic outcomes. His oversensitive psychological explanations are typical Scandinavian, and surprizingly more in Norway than in Sweden, even at these days. Ibsen was in some ways more Italian like than Scandinavian and he lived for a long time in Italy too.
Ibsen is the greater dramatist; but Strindberg is our (Sweden's) greatest writer.
Yesssss... 😊
Honestly, Ive read Dolls House. Ive read its sparknotes. I watched this. I still cant tell who's who or whats happening in that play. Its plot is thicker than a spanish soap opera.
lol I can help you with that. What is it that you're confused about?
Oscar Wilde. Do a video on Oscar Wilde. 😁
You could probably pad out an episode by doing it on English Satirists of the end of the 19th century
May we get a video on Laws of all physics 👨🔬
Probably the best episode of this series so far. Hoping the Chekhov one tops it!
Why isn't there a musical about this?
We can’t hate what rings true even just a little
I actually saw the movie that was based on the play of the Doll’s House. It was very controversial in the years it was made.
The play that just won the Tony Award on Broadway is "A Doll's House, Part 2". It takes place 15 years after Nora's leaving.
Chekhov? Ready the guns!
Can you do a course on the U.S legal system?
Love it first one yaehhhhhhhh like it please
Sounds like Strindberg was Bipolar.
I wish this video was here a few years ago when I didn't get any of what my lecturer was saying
yo money meant a whole lot back then....
Krogstad is the one that gave her the loan, it’s a lot more complex than how you described a dolls house
And the word 'bourgeois' has an 'r' in it.
"Occultism and insanity"? I'm asking
I've been waiting for the Chekhov episode. For me, only Hamlet surpasses The Cherry Orchard.
When will talk about Constantin Stanislavsky?
My guess is we'll hear about him at least some next week when we talk about Chekhov.
+HeathMaiden right😊
I hope there’s a Star Trek reference next week with Anton Chekhov. Or is it too soon?
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Peirre gynt I have a copy of that's over a 120 years old
why do u say "boo jwa"?
Good question! He's saying "bourgeois". It's french and basically means middle class.
Damn real pimps thanks you get your p. Card .P.I.M.P.s of knowledge
why did Mike puke? o_O
I have no words for how much I have always loathed Miss Julie. Tons of respect for Enemy of the People. Even thought about doing it right after the Walkerton crisis.
I can't keep watching this. This is too weird, and only makes some sense.
Who gave redditors access to theater
Drama kings...
I can't keep watching this. There are too many inside references that I have no knowledge of (that could be entirely false). They expect us to look up these references, but I can barely catch the name. We haven't done a video on Opera or musical theater (American or otherwise). I want to get to Brecht, but because Brecht was part of German and American popular theater (and at times musical theater) we can't get their. I know this isn't "Crash Course Brechtian Studies" but I want to know what it means when someone talks about a musician or an entertainer presenting something that is "Brechtian". What is Brechtian theater? What makes a Brechtian musical or comic opretta Brechtian?
they summarize... you have to check it up yourself
Exactly, if you want to get Brecht it is much better to read his books and study his plays rather than just look up videos on the internet.
I get what you're saying, but where would the fun be if you got all the info you needed in one source (video or book)? If you're hungry for information or interpretations, why wouldn't you read/watch anything and everything? That's what I do and I love it.
Feuds are generally dumb and pointless.
They need do more American history
Ugh, Strindberg. Yuck. My mother named me Nora after Ibsen's character, so I admit I have a soft spot for him.
Good job being so biased and ignorant! Real nice work! Strindberg was of course what we today would call a misogynist, however his contributions to literature, especially swedish literature, is not to be overlooked and blatantly ignored. His prosework initiated the shift to the form of swedish that today is our native language; the language our nation is centered around. But apparently I expect too much from an american to understand anything from a perspective other than their own.
And yes I do understand that this series focuses on drama, but to paint a writer that is of such importance to an entire people as a misogynistic lunatic holding society back is wrong and arrogant. I expected better from a crash course production...
Don’t forget an antisemite. But yeah, praise your king.
Devoting half an episode to him can hardly be 'ignoring' him surely.
Holding society back? Where did you get that?
Lol... Now you don't have better topics...Bored after a minute or so.... Crash this course 😂😂
Like, I get the sentiment, but could you please relax and stop caring this much about being seen as a Woman Respector? chill, it’s embarrassing to watch.