Meanwhile at IBJJF headquarters: Old school BJJ BB 1: Man we have to figure these leg locks out!! Old school BJJ BB 2: Hell, yeah!! I almost got heel hooked by a white belt yesterday.......until I told him that reaping was not legal...lol
+Omnis Odium Starting a match off on your butt or attempting to pull guard right off the bat because you're so confident in winning from a disadvantageous position...that is arrogance of the highest degree. I'm not saying all BJJ players start off on their butts, but most do. The other reason the rule was created was because black belts don't want to get tapped by a white belt who used a leg lock.
The problem is this: proper leg lock technique requires so-called "knee reaping". What the IBJJF is condoning is improper technique under the guise of a safety issue. On top of this, if you'r e a purple belt and above, you know what you're getting into and compete at a relatively high level. It's part of the risk of the sport.
to be perfectly clear. when he says 'he made a mistake and was disqualified' what he he really means is he broke the rules of ibjjf rules. it wasn't a mistake in his technique
I went for straight ankle lock. Ref said quietly watch out. I tried making the lock legal without letting go. 1 sec later I was dped. I will never straight ankle lock again in comp... Shit the open guard just got so much harder to deal with
I got disqualified from a BJJ tournament a couple of days ago for using a straight ankle lock. I didn't wrap a leg over or bend the knee like this video showed. They still told me I was "reeping the leg". I don't get it.
It seems like an attempt to maintain the kind of game the IBJJF would like to see, masquerading as a safety issue. It takes away some of the most secure foot lock positions, reducing the value of the technique and thus seemingly ensuring that everyone has to focus on the passing game. It also appears that in the second position particularly, the opponent could easily deliberately fall the wrong way to land in the inward turning position and secure a DQ for his/her opponent. A poor rule.
I appreciate the video clarifying the rule, so muito obrigado. But it seems like such an odd rule. How many leg-reaping injuries occurred before the implementation of this rule? How many have been unnecessarily disqualified? Could someone caught in a straight footlock twist in such a way to make it look like their opponent was reaping?
***** Depends on one's point of view - I certainly wouldn't consider jiu jitsu as a SPORT to be "pure". I don't think pure jiu jitsu is about scoring points. But back to my last question: "Could someone caught in a straight footlock twist in such a way to make it look like their opponent was reaping?" This looks like a rule that could be abused so as to have one's opponent penalised.
+Omnis Odium This holds BJJ back as far as I am concerned, should we also start on our knees and not wrestle to keep BJJ "pure"? No, BJJ is about submitting your opponent with any submission that includes leg locks, spine/neck cranks, and at the highest level even slamming.
I hate the reaping rules and mostly no leg attack rules in the IBJJF, but your comment is just wrong. Helio Gracie was behind the outlawing of many leg attacks because Oswaldo Fadda came in with his poor rural students and beat Helio's students 19 out of 20 times using a lot of leg attacks and reaping.
As mostly from MMA background I was looking for grappling tournaments. Out of all the ones I checked out, IBJJF has some of the stupidest rules out there. Looks like it was written to control a narrative rather than for actual safety like they claim.
The rules are a product of over 50 years of sport jiu-jitsu in Brazil. National tourneys there have thousands of children comepting at 4 years old of age... After years of injury and research, masters with background in P.E. & sports medicine polished the rules to maintain the athlete's safety. I see here a bunch of foreigners that thanks to the Brazilians, are not doing Jeet Kune Do today, but are very envy and denial of the benefits the Brazilian and the IBJJF brought to your lives. Respect!
If the opponent does not like it the pressure they can rotate (react) with it and possibly get free,be swept/reversed or subbed. either way with ALL other techniques in BJJ if you don't like the movement that someone is applying to you, you will react to stop it or tap out. It is an effective way to get someone to go where you want them to in a ground match to twist the knee & should not be banned anymore. yes more people will get hurt but that is cost of using techniques that work-sometimes.
alright guys, i dont like all the rules from a combat/self defence perspective. as it does take away from the potency of bjj as a form of self defence. however, i do agree in a sporting/competition aspect it makes sense. there is no reason to add more danger to permanently damaging someones knee to win a competition. you should train in the gym, with great care, how to perform leg locks from the most secure position possible to disable your opponent (using knee reaping or however you want to secure it). however in competition we want guys to go in feeling they wont have their knee blown out and never be able to train again. in competition it isnt life or death, its a sport.
You don't really feel the pain as much on leg locks and ankle locks at first, especially if your adrenaline is rushing, so people won't tap right away. You won't realize until it's too late that something is torn and will put you out for months if not forever. I prefer leg locks but I can understand why these rules are in place.
IBJJF MUST POST AN OFFICIAL video for this rule, there are too many interpretation for this rule, some of them it's just crossing a little bit the ankle on the top of the hip. The referees should know exactly when they must DQ
They must have had a medical team out of shot ready for when the guy getting reaped gets injured. I hope he is ok. What a joke. Can the IBJJF at least give us an example of someone who got injured from a reap? Even if someone got injured once in some kind of freak accident it’s more safe than any submission! I think reaping should be allowed in both gi and nogi.
those are the most idiotic thing happening in jiujitsu right now, ibjjf is turning it into the next judo, where little by little, they manage to remove all the newaza and left only what it is today. ibjjf is dead! long live naga, metamoris, adcc and so on..
Chris Mac Man i did some research in the BJJ FANATICS fb group and turns out we're good to use lockdown but if you're butt scooting dont reach your leg up and around his hip thatd be considered a reap/scissor takedown i hope this helps some brother 🤙oss
So it's come to this already eh? Where's all these knees being blown out that ppl are talking about? Can't say I've seen many. Keeping this stuff down til brown belt/beyond is doing nothing for anybody.
I really don't get this? Would someone mind comprehensively explaining the benifits here or a mindset to avoid crossing inward toward the knee? Is it because the knee is being bent off axis?
I'm going into my very first IBJJF tournament. Normally when we sent training for tournaments we are mixing Judo, Wrestiling, ok you out BJJ and focusing on what works and how to get into submissions and out of submission. With my professers latest rant about how stupid these rules are, and the links to videos like this, I DONT BLAME HIM!
as someone who had his knee and ligaments broken (not by doing jujistsu),this made me cringe just just imagining getting caught in that and have your whole leg destroyed...uff!
I share the feelings of most the commentors here in that I struggle with this rule. I'm all for trying to keep people safe from catastrophic injuries, but someone defending a single leg X can easily rotate into it putting the person on the offensive in a position where there are going to get DQ'd which seems suspect. This seems like it's more of a risk in a takedown/ one person standing scenario versus when both people are on the ground. Leg locks exist....we have to evolve with the game.
otimo video marcelo, gostaria de saber se crusar a perna esquerda ( na situacao mostrada ) tbm seria desclassificado?? obrigado pelo esclarecimento..Osss
So when your opponent decided defending the ankle lock, and turn, it's basically a setup to get you DQ. Stupid rules.. takes away a lot of your game to engage/attack.
I just started bjj and when watching different vidoe i heard a guy say the word (reaping). I RUclipsd it and seen some examples of what not to do. I was like, why? What the deal? It seems lagit to me. If a black belt gets caught in one and cant get out is it not his own damn fault if he taps?
You guys are fucking idiots. The knee is in no danger at 3:18. This would mean you can't escape the mount by hooking his arms/body with your legs and pulling him down. The IBJJF bans anything that causes Brazilians to lose to Americans.
These rules are not very well thought out. A foot lock without the feet crossed or knees only on the outside does no damage to knee. It seems you guys want to eliminate foot locks from BJJ. You want us, as bjj practitioners , to ignore half of the human body. As long as these rules are in place for one will not participate in any IBJJF event. We will train leg/foot locks at my school.
man i really dont like this rule :( iliminates so many leglock games. i can understand why they have this rule but i think maybe it is a little overprotective just because people should respect that they are at risk of damaging their knees if they enter jui juitsu comps, knees can be damaged very easily espcially in bjj, maybe they should have some comps where the rules are more relaxed and those with injuries can just enter the other comps, or have a seperate submission grappling division
Its great that you guys make videos to explain rules to people, and its well explained, BUT its a super shitty rule. as well as knee bar foot kimuras biceps n calf slicers should already be allowed at blue belt, and not at brown. ibjjf mundial is prestigious, but seriously lucky we have grapplers quest adcc and other big events with more opened rules. Bjj with ibjjf starting to become olympic with more and more rules restrictions, wich is super bad, like it happened sadly to judo.
Dude please do not hate because us Brazilians dominate grappling and MMA.The Knee rule Is for everybody.It Is especially for Brazilians since It Is our sport.
What a stupid rule, so many disqualifications, and why? If this is what competitions are going to include, then forget it. I'll learn BJJ the way it was meant, a brutal but controlled strength that persuades attackers to abandon their initial nefarious goals... *_Ha! You can keep your fake trophies for who the best rule follower is._*
Wow. It isn't your sport. Do your history. Where is Jiu Jitsu from? And many types of Jiu Jitsu back in the day. Including ground game. It's a sport for the world. But should be fair to all. No refs cheating for their fellow statesman
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I got into a street fight yesterday, luckily the other guy accidentally reaped my leg and was immediately disqualified by the homeless guy watching.
to much ahaha
Meanwhile at IBJJF headquarters:
Old school BJJ BB 1: Man we have to figure these leg locks out!!
Old school BJJ BB 2: Hell, yeah!! I almost got heel hooked by a white belt yesterday.......until I told him that reaping was not legal...lol
They first water down Judo and now Jiu Jitsu..........Shame
banned because catch wrestlers kept owning jiu jitsu guys and jiu jitsu guys just don't know what to do about leg attacks
+Omnis Odium Starting a match off on your butt or attempting to pull guard right off the bat because you're so confident in winning from a disadvantageous position...that is arrogance of the highest degree. I'm not saying all BJJ players start off on their butts, but most do. The other reason the rule was created was because black belts don't want to get tapped by a white belt who used a leg lock.
The problem is this: proper leg lock technique requires so-called "knee reaping". What the IBJJF is condoning is improper technique under the guise of a safety issue.
On top of this, if you'r e a purple belt and above, you know what you're getting into and compete at a relatively high level. It's part of the risk of the sport.
These rules are terrible, teaching competitors flawed techniques
100% agree with you. 100%!
Agreed
O.o
to be perfectly clear. when he says 'he made a mistake and was disqualified' what he he really means is he broke the rules of ibjjf rules. it wasn't a mistake in his technique
I'm glad that this video is giving people clarity about the rules. But these rules are FUUUCKED!!! They are so stupid and arbitrary!
IBJJ, watering down Sport BJJ since early 2002
the rule is pointless and silly. the immediate dq is just absurd
I went for straight ankle lock. Ref said quietly watch out. I tried making the lock legal without letting go. 1 sec later I was dped. I will never straight ankle lock again in comp... Shit the open guard just got so much harder to deal with
I say this often. If ibjjf doesn't evolve it will die. Their immediate d-q for a reap is unreasonable, their exclusion of leg attacks is unreasonable
I got disqualified from a BJJ tournament a couple of days ago for using a straight ankle lock. I didn't wrap a leg over or bend the knee like this video showed. They still told me I was "reeping the leg". I don't get it.
It seems like an attempt to maintain the kind of game the IBJJF would like to see, masquerading as a safety issue. It takes away some of the most secure foot lock positions, reducing the value of the technique and thus seemingly ensuring that everyone has to focus on the passing game. It also appears that in the second position particularly, the opponent could easily deliberately fall the wrong way to land in the inward turning position and secure a DQ for his/her opponent. A poor rule.
I appreciate the video clarifying the rule, so muito obrigado. But it seems like such an odd rule. How many leg-reaping injuries occurred before the implementation of this rule? How many have been unnecessarily disqualified? Could someone caught in a straight footlock twist in such a way to make it look like their opponent was reaping?
*****
Depends on one's point of view - I certainly wouldn't consider jiu jitsu as a SPORT to be "pure". I don't think pure jiu jitsu is about scoring points. But back to my last question: "Could someone caught in a straight footlock twist in such a way to make it look like their opponent was reaping?" This looks like a rule that could be abused so as to have one's opponent penalised.
+Omnis Odium This holds BJJ back as far as I am concerned, should we also start on our knees and not wrestle to keep BJJ "pure"? No, BJJ is about submitting your opponent with any submission that includes leg locks, spine/neck cranks, and at the highest level even slamming.
Way to water down grappling. Helio would not be proud. I am glad all grappling doesn't follow IBJJF
Exactly.
I hate the reaping rules and mostly no leg attack rules in the IBJJF, but your comment is just wrong. Helio Gracie was behind the outlawing of many leg attacks because Oswaldo Fadda came in with his poor rural students and beat Helio's students 19 out of 20 times using a lot of leg attacks and reaping.
@@GeorgeOu Helio 7 wins. Fadda 4 wins. 3 draws. In 14 fights in their challenge.
www.athorganics.com/blogs/news/61103429-gracie-academy-vs-fadda-academy
Have to agree with this.
Got a Braz Ref in the New York 2012 No Gi Pan Ams.
As mostly from MMA background I was looking for grappling tournaments. Out of all the ones I checked out, IBJJF has some of the stupidest rules out there. Looks like it was written to control a narrative rather than for actual safety like they claim.
The rules are a product of over 50 years of sport jiu-jitsu in Brazil. National tourneys there have thousands of children comepting at 4 years old of age... After years of injury and research, masters with background in P.E. & sports medicine polished the rules to maintain the athlete's safety. I see here a bunch of foreigners that thanks to the Brazilians, are not doing Jeet Kune Do today, but are very envy and denial of the benefits the Brazilian and the IBJJF brought to your lives. Respect!
If the opponent does not like it the pressure they can rotate (react) with it and possibly get free,be swept/reversed or subbed. either way with ALL other techniques in BJJ if you don't like the movement that someone is applying to you, you will react to stop it or tap out. It is an effective way to get someone to go where you want them to in a ground match to twist the knee & should not be banned anymore. yes more people will get hurt but that is cost of using techniques that work-sometimes.
Love the IBJJF, really disagree with the immediate DQ
Great video! Very clear and informative!!
Really ridiculous restriction
alright guys, i dont like all the rules from a combat/self defence perspective. as it does take away from the potency of bjj as a form of self defence.
however, i do agree in a sporting/competition aspect it makes sense. there is no reason to add more danger to permanently damaging someones knee to win a competition.
you should train in the gym, with great care, how to perform leg locks from the most secure position possible to disable your opponent (using knee reaping or however you want to secure it). however in competition we want guys to go in feeling they wont have their knee blown out and never be able to train again. in competition it isnt life or death, its a sport.
You don't really feel the pain as much on leg locks and ankle locks at first, especially if your adrenaline is rushing, so people won't tap right away. You won't realize until it's too late that something is torn and will put you out for months if not forever. I prefer leg locks but I can understand why these rules are in place.
Wow I didn't realize that knee reaping was so strict. Also, is knee reaping only with the outside leg? If the inside leg crosses over is it ok?
Yes that's ok, that would be double outside ashi
IBJJF MUST POST AN OFFICIAL video for this rule, there are too many interpretation for this rule, some of them it's just crossing a little bit the ankle on the top of the hip.
The referees should know exactly when they must DQ
So what happens if the guy in white uses his hands to put the blue guy's feet in an illegal position? is the blue guy still immediately disqualified?
From the videos I've been watching, yes
They must have had a medical team out of shot ready for when the guy getting reaped gets injured. I hope he is ok.
What a joke. Can the IBJJF at least give us an example of someone who got injured from a reap?
Even if someone got injured once in some kind of freak accident it’s more safe than any submission!
I think reaping should be allowed in both gi and nogi.
those are the most idiotic thing happening in jiujitsu right now, ibjjf is turning it into the next judo, where little by little, they manage to remove all the newaza and left only what it is today.
ibjjf is dead!
long live naga, metamoris, adcc and so on..
Quick Question is the lockdown from bottom halfguard considered a knee reap or am i safe to use it in my upcoming tourney
Chris Mac Man i did some research in the BJJ FANATICS fb group and turns out we're good to use lockdown but if you're butt scooting dont reach your leg up and around his hip thatd be considered a reap/scissor takedown i hope this helps some brother 🤙oss
So it's come to this already eh? Where's all these knees being blown out that ppl are talking about? Can't say I've seen many. Keeping this stuff down til brown belt/beyond is doing nothing for anybody.
I think most of the negative comments on here are because we don't understand WHY these rules are in place...
Please explain
I really don't get this? Would someone mind comprehensively explaining the benifits here or a mindset to avoid crossing inward toward the knee? Is it because the knee is being bent off axis?
Casey Jones, good band.
I'm going into my very first IBJJF tournament. Normally when we sent training for tournaments we are mixing Judo, Wrestiling, ok you out BJJ and focusing on what works and how to get into submissions and out of submission. With my professers latest rant about how stupid these rules are, and the links to videos like this, I DONT BLAME HIM!
as someone who had his knee and ligaments broken (not by doing jujistsu),this made me cringe just just imagining getting caught in that and have your whole leg destroyed...uff!
So what would happen if the blue competitor brought his left leg over the right leg (the attacked leg) Would that also be reaping?
I share the feelings of most the commentors here in that I struggle with this rule. I'm all for trying to keep people safe from catastrophic injuries, but someone defending a single leg X can easily rotate into it putting the person on the offensive in a position where there are going to get DQ'd which seems suspect. This seems like it's more of a risk in a takedown/ one person standing scenario versus when both people are on the ground. Leg locks exist....we have to evolve with the game.
bullshit fucking rules
otimo video marcelo, gostaria de saber se crusar a perna esquerda ( na situacao mostrada ) tbm seria desclassificado??
obrigado pelo esclarecimento..Osss
lets limit jiujitsu by 50% - yayyyy winning an IBJJF Tourny is a joke now
where in the rule book does it say I get negativos for being in the dudes guard ! I got called for stalling 2 times in 30 seconds ????????
What's the IBBJF? The International Bodybuilding Jitsu Federation?
nice casey jones shirt
So when your opponent decided defending the ankle lock, and turn, it's basically a setup to get you DQ. Stupid rules.. takes away a lot of your game to engage/attack.
what about the saddle position?
Saddle is legal if you don't attack or grip the leg you have trapped with your legs
Wow these rules are worse than I thought, I thought everyone was exaggerating about them
Dislike IBJJF
even the guys demoing a straight ankle lock aren't doing it the best way. no wonder they banned leg locks
your DQ'd for horrid punctuation....
Exactly
more and more IBJJF trying to look official like Judo lol.
Don't forget you will be fouled if your fighting a Brazilian and your not a Brazilian and your beating the Brazilian fair and square.
casey jones straight edge!
I just started bjj and when watching different vidoe i heard a guy say the word (reaping). I RUclipsd it and seen some examples of what not to do. I was like, why? What the deal? It seems lagit to me. If a black belt gets caught in one and cant get out is it not his own damn fault if he taps?
I was wondering wtf knee reaping was and this is so fucking stupid there is little to no chance of this hurting anybody
many brazilian got DQ reaping
"its OUR sport" wtf ..
its not logic...if you want a kneebar, you have to cross the leg
You guys are fucking idiots. The knee is in no danger at 3:18. This would mean you can't escape the mount by hooking his arms/body with your legs and pulling him down.
The IBJJF bans anything that causes Brazilians to lose to Americans.
These rules are not very well thought out. A foot lock without the feet crossed or knees only on the outside does no damage to knee.
It seems you guys want to eliminate foot locks from BJJ. You want us, as bjj practitioners , to ignore half of the human body.
As long as these rules are in place for one will not participate in any IBJJF event. We will train leg/foot locks at my school.
man i really dont like this rule :( iliminates so many leglock games. i can understand why they have this rule but i think maybe it is a little overprotective just because people should respect that they are at risk of damaging their knees if they enter jui juitsu comps, knees can be damaged very easily espcially in bjj, maybe they should have some comps where the rules are more relaxed and those with injuries can just enter the other comps, or have a seperate submission grappling division
Is this relevant still today?
It helps if you don't misspell you're when you're being pedantic about people's writing.
i can write better but im busy and im french, speaking fluently 6 languages, so making some spelling mistakes is not my main concern.
Its great that you guys make videos to explain rules to people, and its well explained, BUT its a super shitty rule. as well as knee bar foot kimuras biceps n calf slicers should already be allowed at blue belt, and not at brown.
ibjjf mundial is prestigious, but seriously lucky we have grapplers quest adcc and other big events with more opened rules. Bjj with ibjjf starting to become olympic with more and more rules restrictions, wich is super bad, like it happened sadly to judo.
Must be the age of the video but 25 year shouldn’t have a grey belt. Lol.
This is bs.. What's the problem with putting your foot more and locking the knee.. ?
why....
I think I'll stay away from IBJJF for a while. Btw why is joey like 23-24 and alrdy losing his hair?
Rules = watered down
Go home, ibbjf, you're drunk, Seriously these rules are STUPID!
Dude please do not hate because us Brazilians dominate grappling and MMA.The Knee rule Is for everybody.It Is especially for Brazilians since It Is our sport.
It’s such a dumb fucking rule
What a stupid rule, so many disqualifications, and why? If this is what competitions are going to include, then forget it. I'll learn BJJ the way it was meant, a brutal but controlled strength that persuades attackers to abandon their initial nefarious goals... *_Ha! You can keep your fake trophies for who the best rule follower is._*
Stupid rule.
weak
Wow. It isn't your sport. Do your history. Where is Jiu Jitsu from? And many types of Jiu Jitsu back in the day. Including ground game. It's a sport for the world. But should be fair to all. No refs cheating for their fellow statesman