Turbocharge your SSD for $40??
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Are Intel's new Optane caching drives a worthwhile purchase if you already have an SSD?
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Only works well with older systems running off of a HDD, but needs an M.2 slot... Logic.
Needs an M.2 slot / 270 series board / Kaby Lake
Basically, a high end PC except you forgot to get it with an SSD
is there a way to add m.2 slot using some PCI card? and will optane die like ssd after particular cycles?
Du6e, no point since you need a motherboard and CPU that supports Optane as well.
Yeah, you can get M.2 / mSATA to PCI or PCI-e adapters but you're still gonna need a new motherboard and processor, of which should certainly have an M.2 slot, so it doesn't matter anyway...
They are warrantied to 30 drive writes per day. Writes can also be done without erasing the whole block fist, eliminating write amplification, that are especially problematic for full or mostly full SSD drives.
aka the "I built an expensive enough modern pc to have an m.2 slot but forgot a sata 3 ssd" PC
i cri ;-;
HA!!!!! SO true!!!
But.. M.2 is kinda old, right? I know that SSD's built for them are relatively new but the Mobo in my 2 year old build was about 200 dollars and happened to have M.2 support. So, I just started using it. Upgraded from a WD Blue, this is my first SSD (outside of a chromebook) and yeah, it's fast. But I'm not /really/ seeing it as being 'incredibly amazing' or anything. It's definitely nothing to drool over.
Affordable 4 lane PCI Express support in M.2 is relatively new. See Samsung 960 Pro. It absolutely is incredibly amazing if you have an M.2. drive, but Optane is underwhelming.
yeah, i was thinking the same thing. Placing a mechanical drive as the boot drive just shouldn't happen in 2017.
Chances are, if you are still only using a hard drive, you won't have a M.2 slot
Exactly this. If I wanted to spruce up say.. my grandfathers old PC I would opt for a regular SATA SSD, because his 2010 motherboard cannot support M.2. I guess you could also buy a PCI-e adapter with an M.2 slot on it, but that would probably be more expensive than just a random SSD for the OS. :/
it only works with kaby lake
I have 3 harddrives still..
Ryan Doherty you're right
i have 2 storage hard drive and a boot ssd....
I wasted my money on a 32Gb Optane module. First off, my Intel 600p NVMe isn't supported. Yes, Optane doesn't support Intel SSDs.
Second, the Intel RAID was so buggy, it corrupted my drives and lost all my data 3 times, twice on my boot ssd I had to reinstall windows.
Finally, it's only 1GB/s read in Crystal disk. A 250GB Samsung 960 EVO is 3 times faster and only $30 more expensive than a 32GB Optane.
Special EDy is this true? I can't use the optane on an Intel SSD?
I was unable to pair it with the Intel 600p, I ended up finding it clearly written in the fine print on Intel's website that "their SSDs are not supported by optane".
Pretty odd. You would think they'd support their own products, but thanks for the heads-up!
lewis hayward Kind of like the difference between driving a hotrod, or a prius with a warranty. They do make prebuilt PCs with warranties too though...
Probably because Intel SSDs that aren't optane don't use Xpoint and makes it incompatible. Just my guess.
This sounds nice, but low capacity SSDs that do the same thing are the same cost and are way more compatible, coming in all flavors from sata 3 to nvme. This is a neat solution to a problem that doesn't exist
The main area where this would be useful is older laptops sporting 5400RPM drives. Many have M.2 slots.
This would be super useful to me if it could cache multiple drives that are not your OS SSD.
I have lots of pictures. 1TB SSDs are pretty expensive to store them. This would be useful for caching that. I have a 6TB Steam games drive too. I also have some large video footage drives. (Nothing insanely high res - small projects that I work with, then move on. Perfect to fit in cache... and since many cheaper video editors hard code paths into their project files, and get grumpy if you ever move them, shuffling them from bulk HDD storage to SSD storage... caching without moving can simply save time.)
Yeah, if it could do multiple drives and is Ryzen compatible, I'd buy one. 64GB preferred. (Since I'd be caching up to about 15TB of space.)
Oh, yep, also possibly power savings. No idea if this has been mentioned or not? But again that is not consumer, that would be on the laptop manufactures... so why we are getting strange marketing from Intel. They kinda have this product that is deep into the workings of a PC, and trying to market it to the office people buying paperclips and pens.
+shut your face you literally know nothing about this product. Try and actually do some research before watching one short video and think you are smarter than Intel
how about instead of insulting me you go ahead and prove me wrong. in which ways am I wrong, and why? what does optane do that I don't understand, and what are its applications that I clearly don't know of?
shut your face! I agree. this is just gimmicky trick. remember that ansel gimmick of nvidia on their 1070/1080 release. funny how it looks as if this optane "predicts" future load as if some neurocomputing. why not just release a new high capacity optane ssd like linus said. remember tape drives, then hard drives, then ssd, them m.2/nvme sticks then now optane mass media. not this "stick this optane stick to your harddrive then you will have faster load times" heh
Best solution in consumer level: buy an s.s.d. and make that a boot drive.
Even a 60gb one is enough.
Indeed. I'd recommend a 120 gb one though just to be safe.
120 and 128 GB are the price sweet spot on a desktop, or be patient and wait for an offer and buy a 480 GB ssd like I fitted in my laptop a few years ago when I spotted a great deal. If anything prices seem to have gone up for storage not down.
I would love to had I not saved a years worth of stuff on a hdd and moving seems complicated.
Exactly!
So basically turn your HDD into an SSHD?
Yes, in a PC that most likely already has an SSD since Optane requires Kaby Lake CPU, 270 series mobo and M.2 slot.
Steven Gutierrez No. An SSD doesn't need programs to run 3 times top cache them, it's fast from the first, octane is useless, just get an ssd.
SSHD =/= SSD
Steven Gutierrez yeah, thats what I though. But the optane cache is faster than an sshds ssd flash module i assume. And optane + hdd could be cheaper and more customizable. But i rather stick to my boot+CreativeCloud m.2 ssd (5s boot or less ^^), my 2tb gamedrive and my videodrive
Don't be scammed by Intel !!! Optane is useless and extremely expensive !!! $80 for only 32GB !!! Why not just buy Samsung 960 EVO 250GB PCIe NVMe M.2 ? Which only cost $128 and x8 times more capacity !!! and even faster than crap Intel Optane !!! so if you want same capacity Intel Optane then you will need to cost $640 for only 250GB !!! No point of crap product !!!
What I'm most interested in is whether or not this can solely be used to make a HDD faster while using an SSD as you main/boot drive and your HDD as your storage drive.
here for the same info, got really annoyed it wasnt answered
No, you can't, the optane only speed up the main drive.
Gabriel Paul That is a fucking waste . It would've been so much worthed if it could do that
You actually can... By simply using it as a PrimoCache....
YOU CAN DO THIS... Use the drive as STAND ALONE STORAGE AND USE PRIMOCACHE.
So it's worthless/useless for people with SSDs, meh.
for people whit hdd to you can buy 128gb ssds for 50€. So most useless product ever.
but if you have a 1 Tb HDD it would be better option than buying a 128 gb ssd
given ssd space and money = 128/ $40. give space of hdd and money 1tb/ $56.
now add $40 to the 1tb and you get $90. If I were to get a ssd 1tb size it would cost me around $350. I'll take the, cheaper, hhd option.
@kurad Not really. I'd take an SSD with user-addressable storage and an HDD every day of my life, instead of resorting to SSD caching, which to me feels like the worse compromise. Not to mention, there is really no compelling reason to go with anything higher-specced than a SATA 3 SSD for a regular desktop user.
Important thing to note regarding caching is that it only benefits a small, albeit fairly used portion of a hard drive. an SSD will be faster with any and all program installed upon it. With Optane, only frequently used programs will benefit. Not to mention only Kaby Lake supports Optane, which means you'll need to fork over quite the wad of cash just to be able to make your "cheap" HDD run at near-SSD levels
What old Computer has m.2?
Ethan L none because it doesn't work with them anyways
I was thinking that too. My computer from 2010 does not maybe a pcie adapter to m.2 but at that point you could buy an ssd.
and a 200 series Intel Chipsets Motherboard xD
exactly what i was going to say as well
maybe someone who would want to buy a new computer...buys a motherboard, a PSU, a CPU, a graphic card, some ram, and... oh damn, no more money for an SSD! too bad, will have to stick with my old 1tb HDD and buy an optane stick...
Is there any technical reason why Intel is limiting this to Kaby Lake, or is it just them being assholes and trying to find a reason for Kaby Lake to exist in the first place, because I'm pretty sure this is not going to be "too fast" for a M.2 slot on a Skylake or Ryzen?
They didn't provide any technical reason for limiting Optane to Series 2XX chipsets and Kabylake. AFAIK, greed isn't a technical reason. :p
Intel's definitely limiting this to get you to upgrade to Kaby Lake, IMHO.
The reason is validation - they don't want to spend the money to validate that it will work on 99.9% of systems straight off the bat using older hardware. It *should* work ok on skylake, but they haven't validated it so won't let people use it.
It comes down to this - if they say 'it should work on skylake', then the hordes will buy it, many times it won't work, and then they'll have to deal with returns and all other sorts of bullshit, as well as bad publicity.
autarchprinceps theyre being assholes
Nah, as long as you have the PCIe interface theres no need to do validation, it will "just work"
validation is not hard at all also, they have hundreds of benches
They either incorporated DRM into the CPU's microcode or the optane memory itself, there is REALLY nothing new here other than xpoint and its clear they are intentionally limiting it to kaby for marketing reasons
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If optane was an add in PCI card to use in older existing PC's then it would make more sense. Seems like they missed the target market with the optane cards.
Jacob F jup.
Jacob F They want you to buy their kaby Lake CPUs, and most if not all kaby Lake motherboards have an m.2 slot
Agreed. Intel has been making a lot of dick moves to push people towards buying newer hardware and it isn't without concequences.
Optane memory can be added via a m.2 pci card
I think it would have been great if you could put it older pcs via pcie adapter card. And if it also is very easy and fast to set up. It would have been a great way to speed up pcs of not so techy-savvy friends.
No pulling data from a hdd to an ssd and not telling them all the time that they should install all the stuff on drive c.
Idealy just installing, enabling and there pc is faster.
Missed chance.
Your testing was only with single drive systems, so I am curious how this works with multi-drive systems where each drive can vary drastically in speed. My system has 2 SSDs and 3 HDDs (OS on an SSD, HDDs mostly mass game storage) would I notice any improvements with this say when accessing files or applications from the HDDs?
Tony Cole the Intel obtained performance video had the answer in the comments but I remember it came to the conclusion that it's pointless. The loading times boost it gives for games is marginal or none existent, it only helps with OS/boot really but you could just buy an SSD for that
No difference
Optain is for the boot drive it cache in optimistic thinking the pagefile
ssd is fast enough
one way to make this methode really fast were
pagefile in ramdisk. is copy for boot
pcie gen3 x4 =4gb/s vs ssd 500mb/s
System booots faster. for this should i pay 80bucks. for faster boot.
come on my system starts with ssd coldboot 40sec with a smalöer mainboard with less hardware it would be 10-15sec
Worthless thing
Well Optane cannot address RAID configurations so multi-drive systems won't benefit from it.
Michael Dimech multi drive systems don't have to be configured as raid in order to benefit
You said it yourself. Its mass storage. Hence y -n how- the Fuck would you want to speed that? This lol Shit is just a small ssd for putting the os +1 game? into. So at best you could get 1 game running faster at a time? (Or mb Nothing. If you run many normaly)
I'm building a pc with a budget of 90 cents. Any suggestions?
sebastian d'costa get a calculator
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sebastian d'costa Use your parents pc.
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A nice video explaining how the new optane memory works. The way linus explains things is humourous and interesting, which I love. Thank you for your great content, and hope you will keep it up.
Who the hell has only an hdd but a board with an m2 slot?
That was my first thought... Who has built a computer with Kaby Lake without an SSD?
Patrick Kuhlmann yeah person would be me lol. im just running a 1tb blue on my pc, couldnt justify buy an ssd at the time
Mike s But even in that case I'd rather buy an ssd for ur OS than this thing 😀
Yup, me too. A 1TB SSD cost $380 USD where I live.
People with low budget pentium G4560 and B250 boards.
Is it only me, or Linus is never careful with the hardware???
He's getting worse too, makes my blood pressure go up.
Haha, exactly... When I saw how they assembly a computer... just sht.
this guy is a pro making rookie mistakes .......
Il devrait apprendre à manipulé le matériel. Vive les E.S.D..
Agreed, just because you have a warehouse full of computer hardware, doesn't mean the rest of us aren't cringing.
It is a shitty solution. You pay 100eur/usd get a 250gb ssd that works in shitty old systems as long they have sata. This is what i did to the shitty workplace PC. Like if you have a mobo with m.2 you don't have the budget for a ssd..shitty product
St0RM33 you can get a mobo that doesn't allow for over clocking but does have m.2 for 50-70 dollars. I just got one from gigabyte myself. I'm not advocating for this optane nonsense but any newer mobo should have an m.2 slot
St0RM33 8
1:18 Holy shit, that's the exact case my computer has.
Still have 2 likes after 3 years
I like the sound of a naturally aspirated hard drive better. Maybe just my opinion.
lol! excellent!!
no replacement for displacement huh
I only have SSD's in my Desktop hdd's are to loud. And to slow.
Kevin I agree. I originally started with a boot 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD but damn they're way too loud, shook my entire PC case, and was unreliable and slow. I swapped out that 1TB HDD for a 1TB SSD (back when 1TB SSDs were normally >$200), and ended up getting rid of the small 120GB boot drive with a 500GB 960 EVO.
i really wanted to make a shitty "wastegate-choo-choo-choo" pun....buttfuck it...
Read the video title? There is a difference between 'Intel Optane Review' and 'Tubrocharge your SS for $40??' . But I still enjoy Linus' style :D .
first comment grats
Thank you! :) Do I get extra points for not mentioning 'First'?
yeah extra kudo points to you
Murphistic Same.
The video title didn't tell me shit. This is the sort of clickbait title that annoys people.
Lmao, useless tech. What's the point if I can't use it in old systems like my Phenom II PC. If I'm gonna use Kaby Lake, I'll be using SSDs thank you very much.
A. Haikal Ruslan useless? for you maybe yes. but if someone have plan to build affordable workstation, rather than buy 1 tb ssd it's better to get this and 3tb storage.
Then buy a smaller SSD and a bigger HDD. You'll have larger chache.
Didn't checked prices, but maybe 500 GB SSD + 3 TB HDD?
What about the people with g4560/7100/7350k?
If you have a 7350k then you obviously have no problem throwing out your money on something less performant.
Spencer rekt
Get 8gb or 16gb of used RAM if you have a free ram slot and then use it as cache for your SSD and/or HDD with Primocache.
screw optane. i'm absolutely unimpressed.
potato potato potato potato potato potato potato why 9
everything is either a potato or not a potato
Definitely worth billions in R&D to come to the conclusion it's just like an SSD in 99% of cases. Maybe good on the stock market but why even mention it to consumers?
Rocco Nicoletta Actually they have potatoes cross-bread with spiders. MMMMmmmm.....
Welcome to the NWO. Welcome to 2017, where everything is corrupted and fake.
Yep the difference in the benchmarks are negligible, which means from a scientific standpoint it's irrelevant and is the same..There is always a 3 to 7% difference in results and what we are seeing is that difference which makes this product benchmark irrelevant. This is almost worse than the Kingston SSD fiasco with Kingston baiting and switching. Honestly with how high-capacity RAM is getting cheaper, it would be more logical to buy more RAM and make a RAM disk.
Linus should've done a "Stupid Product. No one buy it" style review video because this is really an idiotic product in light of cheap, large capacity SSDs for similar pricing.
Here's what I bet happened. Intel spent too long on Optane R&D and thought to recoup some money for now by selling this garbage to some suckers.
Red Leader or they already developed the tech which has its uses at super high cost and are trying to find other ways to use it? Also bigger specs still sell better at retail. They'll take the 1 or 2 TB HDD over even the 256GB SSD the majority of the time.
Elliot Kaufman The problem is that a cache doesn't accelerate the whole drive at once. It can speed up boot times, but other sites' tests found that Windows boot files can be evicted from the cache if it determines another segment of data is more important.
Reviewers will do anything to keep their Intel sponsorship. Simple as that.
+Fernando Macena current generation of CPU's have a mini NB on chip.
On Ryzen the x16 PCIe slot, a bunch of the USB ports etc are all hosted on the CPU.
HardThinker Linus Media is not sponsored by Intel, even if one of their sponsors products sucks LMG will tell it how it is.
I appreacheate you adressing alot of the critizism of the sponsored video on this.
What would interest me is how well this performs against the cheapest 128gb ssd you can find on amazon (should be about 40$ as well) used as system partition and used as cache using bcache (which would have the benefit of being able to cache alot more stuff).
jackthemapper That'd be interesting.
yeah 128GB makes no sense. I personally can't go below 500GB :P
The point is to compare two options at the same price point which would be 120gb SSD vs 32gb optane or 240gb vs 64gb optane. If SSD + Optane doesnt outperform SSD i dont suspect HDD + Optane outperforms HDD + regular SSD cache.
My heart skips a beat every time he hits and drops the SSD's.
Why its SSD thats the point its solid state there is nothing to be knocked..
Why? It's an SSD, not a mechanical drive...
I've been selling computer part since 1992, I've participated in many computer reviews with the major computer dealers in all these past years. When I saw the very first SSD in my carrer (2012), the Kinston guys presented this video for comercial purpposes. Check it out and you will never skip a single heart beat for beating an SSD. I have SSD's since then. ruclips.net/video/CVxjKI3cw0c/видео.html
He is a good example of who NOT to send your computer to if you want to get it fixed....
slams the whole fucking pc down on the desk during the intro.. he obviously has lost all respect for builds
The target audience for this product does not exist.
hahaha, as a marketing bachelor i'm fully agree!
couldn't agree more.
Considering the cost of SSD drives nowadays, that would be an accurate statement.
This. As someone with a compatible new mobo and a 7600k KabyLake processor, I already have an NVME ssd. Why would I need this?
Admittedly, if I went and purchased one of the 8TB drives newegg had and then used it on this, it would be about $220.... I cant get a 8TB SSD for $220......
how about two optane modules in raid 0
tbh im more or less waiting for it to mature even more and maybe have one day a boot drive that is also the ram with this module if they make a mobo series for it. (or for the price to drop enough so said raid config isnt life shattering costs)
readyboost re-invented. Pointless in my opinion.
Funny that is the same thing that popped into my head after linus explained what the video was about :P
primocache already does it better and is more flexible.
Yep, Intel is being a little silly with their marketing. It's really only useful in database & virtualization environments, I think.
In the future, if they can get longevity up, I could see 3DXpoint becoming main RAM and internal storage in mobile devices. If they get *really* improved performance and longevity in the future, then it could even shift the model from 8M cache8G DRAM8T disk, closer to 128M cache128G 3DXRAM8T disk for a middle budget system. The future of this stuff could be in DIMMs, not M.2.
Are we going to start a new series.
"Here's a computer Linus. YOU tell us what's special about it."
Isn't the tittle suppose to be "Turbocharge your HDD for $40"?
nah he's really wondering if you can turbocharge the ssd. He's pretty certain that it will have some effect on the HDD
clickbait titles
not all m.2s are the same
Simon WoodburyForget M.2 is a slot. You can use SATA SSDs in M.2 as well so they're not necessarily faster.
I think the tittle should be "Turbocharge your HDD for $40" because it has more significant improvements on an HDD than an SSD and its aimed towards people that use HDD
Clearly the title is inversely descriptive vs clickbait.
Here's a recommendation, free of charge: Turbocharge your SSD for $40?? | Intel Optane Review
No need to thank me. It helps with that search bar on the top of the screen too.
Matthew Vandermeer It seems that Linus has gone to the Austin Evans school of making every description a question.
That would be a respectable way to handle the titles. The way they are doing it now is just obnoxious clickbait... while if they include what the video is actually about with a separation from the clickbait part it's both better for their audience and for browsing.
Doesn't seem like your channel is doing too great, why not let the pros do what they do best.
I agree
That's a very good title.
Please make it this format next time LTT
I found a use for this thing.
I built a new i5 for a non-techie, budget-conscious friend who takes a lot of photos with his SLR. A 2TB hard disk with Optane cache was the best option for him because it cost less than a 500GB SSD and he won't have to manage separate boot and data volumes. This means I won't get a call when his boot volume fills up with photos. Meanwhile, the thing boots and loads MS Office quickly, so he's pleased.
Didn't you guys do an octane video a month ago? I'm confused.
Honestly I spoke prior to videos end and realized my mistake.
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I heard if you put it in the oven for 25 seconds you can boost it by 300%!
Mazxlol *put it in the **_microwave_*
Yeah that gives it super nuclear power!! :)
jesus, who gave linus a red bull before shooting the video...?
ikno right.. pinging hard lol..
I see this more for laptops. It looks very light and small and It would let me boot quickly for basic school work, but still have a 1Tb drive for storing movies. It also appears to be popular with budget laptop manufacturers who are saving money on ram.
I see no point to this product. If you have a PC that is new enough to take an optane module, you likely have an SSD and if it doesn't take an SSD to NVME performance, what's the point of this?
It's supposed to be added to hard drive
4 tb ssd= $1600
4tb hdd + optane for similar speed= $200
But it won't ever be "Similar Speed" - normally you get 2 drives, one SSD and one HDD. And honestly if I have an M.2 slot I'm not going to fill it with an Optane - I'm gonna put an M.2 SSD in there.
I just built a system with an ASUS PRIME B250M-PLUS . It has 2 M.2 slots or which one has a 500GB WD SSD and the other has 32GB optane. The HDD are 2x WD Black 2TB in RAID 1. Yes, the Optane makes a difference for the RAID array, not so much for the SSD.
thought Optane only works on primary boot drives, how does it help the 2X WD HDD?
you can technically set a swap/paging file for the RAID
0:39 omg, so that's how you're supposed to get it out. My life is not gonna be the same
plz never do that
*dumps it out* UUUUUGH
HRRRRR
*THUNK*
Dude, calm down. You're hitting things too much
I cringed a bit every time he tapped and scraped the Optane (even though I learned it was useless by the end of the video.)
for real !!!! if it was his pc he wouldn't be doing this lol
ye rofl it may look life hes being rough with it but man u gotta remember this guy's been around this shit his whole life hes knows what hes doing lol.
this is setting a bad example for noobs getting into pc , calling out Linus Tech , not the correct way to handle PC hardware period ..........
Harshtimes1125 setting a bad example for pc noobs? Hell, noobs won't even know what Linus is doing. Therefore, they won't even get to this video.
The next big thing in computers will be my 'SSRD' (Solid State Ram drive). It will be an SSD built into a DIMM style PCB with RAM, but will retain the Ram data for short periods even when turned off (instant boot time), and allow for massively improved SSD access speeds.
10p6 no I think CPU l1 cache drives‚ like a CPU at 500MHz but its L1 cache (fastest computer memory) reaching upwards of a hundred GB would be the next big thing.
+Bien Vincent Balansag I think you are right, but i don't think we will see it in a consumer product.
nope they dont want us to have dataservers speeds for desktop, m2 will be your solid drive and nothing else... miniaturized YES, expensive YES, fast NO, WHY ? ...corporations/governments that slow us down for easy surveillance ...
think thats allready an option when you use a SSD its called hibanate and sleep mode is compatable with pc even from 1995 and comes at a cost of 0£/$
Hmm, i had that idea in my head.
Did Intel run out of boxes with their own logo on them?
thought the same...
Christian Stout nono, it's one of inwin's retro style cases. :p
I would like to have seen an NVMe SSD used as a caching mechanism for the harddrive as well.
Lars Bolduc An old version of the Optane software actually allowed that since the Optane drive is basically just a NVMe drive with different performance characteristics lol
video starts at 4:41
Watching this in 2019 trying to understand the meaning behind Optane I feel like watching WWII documentary. That's how "old" the tech is now, with M.2 NVMe drives with 10x the write speed becoming fairly available. I mean, I can get 512GB NVMe for nearly the same price as 64GB Optane, with 2.5x faster read and 8x faster write.
You can buy big optane drives to use like you would an SSD, and they are beltingly quick, but as a caching mechanism I can't see why you wouldn't simply use an ssd as you'll get similar real world performance and be able to cache a LOT more for the money.
Optane wipes the floor with SSDs in terms of performance. It's not about sequential read and write speeds. But yeah the newer Optane modules are faster.
@@NewLondonMarshall yeah, optane is a fair bit quicker, but is it actually noticeable outside of benchmarks, especially as a caching drive?
@@morosis82 In fact it is the opposite. In benchmarks which focus on sequential read and write speeds like all SSDs are advertised (850 Pro is 550 MB/s) the optane SSDs look much worse, but in real world applications the optane SSDs are so much faster its just funny!
@@NewLondonMarshall no I get it, optanes party trick is random access. But from what I've seen, they hhave no real advantage outside synthetic benchmarks for a desktop user.
Database servers might be different, but then you're not caching with them probably.
what's with the static in the background...
randomly stops at about 5:36
I noticed that too. Bothered me a lot. It's like a scratchy guinea pig rubbing against a Sasquatch.
"turbocharge your SSD" - Oh you mean Hybrid drives V2.0? The failed concept that hasn't improved since the first iteration due to its insane randomness? Right. ;)
Mansen SRT works quite well especially when you also cache writes. I use it on RAID arrays as well.
It works quite well, it's just that people don't give it the value they price the things at because for the extra money you can almost buy an SSD
what if you already have one and use this on your secondary storage games etc drive? Think outside the box a bit like I said I use SRT on my RAID10 array which is a darn handy feature.
Misleading title. Did not teach me to give my SSD forced induction.
Ryan Shea Didn't you see the question marks? Linus just rekt Intel by saying this product is shit. Because who is running a Z270 without a SSD?
someone missed the turbo joke. wish my pc made turbo noises as well...wooosh pffft
DoNotAskJeeves Finally someone understands lol
With a turbo I reckon I can get my pc down to 10 maybe even 9 ms in the 1/4 megabyte benchmark
Ubersonic well excuse me if I'm out of the loop to your inside joke. Whatever it's meant to be. I'm just sick of idiots not reading the damn title and then crying "Clickbait". There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
B-but L-Linus, turbochargers slow down acceleration.
Thonmoy Rahman Not if you launch them properly to compensate for lag.
brake-boosting amirite?
Short Gears Yep
Thonmoy Rahman tell that to a nissan Gtr
Your profile pic is the ultimate troll...thought my screen had a crack
Not to sure if I'm more impressed with the Intel optane or the fact DHL is still in business
Here in Germany they are still big in Business.
DHL is a commercial shipping company primarily. All of Formula 1's teams use DHL to move all the million dollar equipment to each race. Not your new backpack you ordered from amazon.
But can run crysis?
no dedicated gpu, so no
You nailed it, only supports 200 intel chip sets & above, bought optaine for a 170 chipset before discovering it didn't support it. So sits in its box till future motherboard upgrade.
its crazy how much computers have advanced lately. how the hell are they able to manufacture magnetic tape small enough to fit inside that tiny piece of plastic and still have so much memory?
Theres google, where you can find those answers. "Its so crazy how they made something to search for information from multiple sources! How the hell does that fit in my phone" sarcasm
I was so optimistic until I heard it's only on pretty new systems. Then I began to save up more $$$ for an SSD.
What are you saving up for? You can get a 120GB SSD on ebay for as low as $30-$40
www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-SSDNow-UV400-2-5-120GB-SSD-SATA-III-TLC-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-/222434074826?hash=item33ca1aa0ca:g:VawAAOSwB-1YwOyc
I got a kingston ssd from ebay for $40. It died in six months. I got a Samsung SSD for $100 from Fry's to replace it. That was two years ago and it's still going strong.
Wait, so Optane only works with Kaby lake?
ExpectVacancies How else could they convince people to upgrade. I'm waiting for AMD's answer to this
Cable Butkus
Vega has something like this for video memory, but it increases the size, a better solution in my opinion.
+Cable Butkus there is nothing to answer, just get an SSD lol.
The automatic caching feature only works on Kaby lake and select chip set. Any system with an m.2 connection will be able to use it as low-latency nvme drive, or run 3rd party cache software like bcache or readyboost.
Yes. With the money saved buying amd you can buy an SSD. Why the fuck would I spend extra just get a $40 SSD??? CUZ THATS WHAT IT IS AN SSD!!
I would love to see this tested with the largest base model Barracuda or WD Blue like this vs that WD Black or WD Gold. Also, I'd love to see an SSD cache vs the Optane cache.
2023 im runnin a 64 gig optane, with a 22tb wd red pro. works good. i just have it as a game drive. sucks, that my next build optane is gone, there not in the latest Z790. ill have to use Primo Cache. or go back to using my inmotus fusion drive, wich is almost at lifes end.
@@tek_soup It does fucking suck, I love the optane chips, shit was slept on as fuck. What alternatives are there, because I love a big ass HDD that is almost as fast as an SSD.
why the clickbaity title? it doesn't turbocharge your ssd, it does it for your hdd.
The title is a question, the video answers it... Somewhat clickbaity but that is what taking advantage of RUclips algorithms looks like in 2k17.
I have an SSD but most of my steam library is on a HDD, a setup most people would have. Are there any benefites to it in this situation?
Ryan No, it caches boot and OS files for your C drive only :-( Soon, however, an ssd might become affordable for mass storage:-)
Ryan you know they have been saying that SSD will be more affordable as time goes. But so did HDD, not to mention that HDDs are getting cheaper faster than SSD did lol.
Ryan it only works with your boot drive so its useless for you and most people (including me) who uses low capacity but blazing fast SSD and HDD for storing games.
SSDs are already affordable for mass storage. You can get a 1TB SSD with decent performance and lifespan for under $200.
imgur.com/a/0q1no
Really? Looking at amazon 6tb hdd = £179, 4tb ssd = £1,199
I'm an indonesian and I've been using Optane for quite awhile, and in my opinion, optane is used for those who couldn't afford a 500GB+ decent SSD.
I mean, here, a 500GB Samsung 860 Evo Costs like 2.5M IDR (and 1TB one is about 5M IDR).
but 32 Gigs Optane Module be around 1M IDR
add a 1TB HDD on top of it, that's about 2M IDR, for the double space you can get from Optane + HDD Combo.
so, I think it's worth it especially since I was upgrading my PC without replacing the HDD, that's less money spent at a time
It's funny how almost all of the negative comments about Optane are from people who have NEVER used it. And, of the ones who have, they almost all seem to love it.
SSHDs are still at about the same performance point and same price point as HDD+Optane.
Christian Stout sshds and performance? Most of them dont even have 7200rpm hdds inside and a 8gb smart flash module isnt the best performance you can have. Ssd+hdd is the real deal - and affordable atm
SSHD's are most of the time only marginally more expensive than a normal HDD, only extreme cases as the WD Black^2 1TB+128GB 2.5inch do cost a lot more. Also it works on a normal SATA Port and the drive itsself manages the data, so why installing stuff that does make no logical sense? I guess Intel forgot that Windows already caches programs before they are launched, I guess every program startup would be as fast with 32GB of ram instead of opting for Optane :D
550 watt PSU for that invisible 1080GTX :D
If someone wants to get something like this, check out primocache, you can add your ram as L1 cache. The only downside is that unlike optane, when you restart your PC, all that cache will be gone and your PC will boot as slow as your system drive. But the effects while the computer is turned on is amazing. (This is only for people who have too much ram to spare)
I thought the real question was "But, can it run Crisis"!
Whoa I was making dinner with blue apron while watching this :O
This is redundant tech. Get an ssd.
TheEthan8or but you need kaby lake.... and intel is frickin expensive......
It's actually not fucking cheap, it costs way more than an SSD with 2x the space and basically the same real world speed. If you want a cache setup then get primocache which lets you do this same exact thing more flexibly and without limiting you to certain CPUs or boards.
Optane is for fucking idiots who can't do homework and buy into marketing. 3DXP memory isn't even robust enough to survive as a cache.
Buy a 120 gig ssd, put your entire OS on it plus a couple games you frequently play. This shit is just pointless. You have to have a kaby lake cpu anyway. Which news flash, they arent cheap in the slightest.
They're cheap if you live in a superior land that has a Microcenter
Harrison Williams I live 20 min away from one. Intel no matter the cpu has never been cheap.
Only benefit I can see is that you can get SSD performance at half cost compared to a pure SSD solution (assuming 1TB drives, cost benefit is even higher going above this limit). Only downside seems to be initial start time (i.e. precached).
Most of my current systems uses a boot drive and a secondary 1TB+ drive, if it would be possible to use this caching on a secondary drive only then I could see the benefit in highend system with an SSD and a optane accelerated secondary HD.
Wasn't Optane also gonna be able to "Replace" RAM? I could see these small optane modules being better for that than cache. You could just have 8Gbs of actual DDR4 memory and then 32Gbs of Optane memory for about the same price
Obscared Games they have an Optane server SSD that can function as RAM also, however it costs well over a thousand (US) dollars.
not fast enough
simple answer
optane max 4gb/s
Ram up to 50gb/s most of ram reach 35gb/s
theres no way that this technology replaced ram
Learn to differentiate between 'b' and 'B'. You just wrote total nonsense, but when you put correct units on correct places you are basically right, but much more important value is latency for RAM - Optane is close, but not close enough.
Until it 10x faster, then it can become typical DDRX speed.
Linus don't you know by now touching contacts is only for connectors not humanoid skin ;)
Would spend my money to buy a bigger SSD drive... don't see no any value in this.
SSD drive.. very redundant
Icybubba RAS syndrome
exactly
If the algorithm isn't totally stupid it will keep the files I'm working on in the cache as long as I'm working on them. The workload of a single day easily fits into 32GB ... so it should be feasible. Otherwise I'd be interested in proof of the opposite (sources).
That question right under a paragraph that has the literal answer in it (besides the video itself in every third sentence) is disturbingly concerning ...
I came to the same conclusion. I built my current PC to last, and will only update when Xpoint is more widely available/cheaper/larger cap. When that day comes, hopefully mobo manufacturers will have more options, maybe raid Xpoint drives with no need for RAM?
i wanna see a benchmark of a computer with a SSHD and optane.
"SlightlyCharged"
I bought the 16 GB optane to boost my HDD and i'm never taking the optane off. Great boost.
4 years from now when small companies have KB Lake processors and they need me to work on them this will definitely work. For system responsiveness
is that supposed to resemble an old computer? .M.2 is only a few years old
FoodOnCrack not even just that. you need kabylake to use optane
Wait for bigger Optane SSDs... what a waste lol
coz we gotta go FAAAAAAAAAAST
Relax SANIC seegaaa is dead and so is optane too.
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dear linus, i know this comment might come out random, so brace yourself. linus, i have been watching your videos from a long time, the way you show sincerity towards technology just cheers me up, i love how you don't act cheesy just so the developers are pleased with your revive, you just say the right thing. you truly made me who i am today. the way you encourage your viewers to become adventurous with their tech. today i whenever see something or feel something is wrong with my pc, intead of taking my pc to the local repair shop. i open eveything and repair try to repair to myself. because of the my rig got worse and i sold every component it had. and now i am a sad pc less 17yr old. but your joy of showing new stuff always reminds me of my joyful pc days and put a smile on my face. :) trust me, linus. i wrote this comment of appreciation with complete sincerity. although someone just gave me a little push to write it, but i think him for it. yeah, he's a tech guy too, his name is michael fisher aka mr.mobile. keep up the good work lad!
wasting 50$ for a 16 gigs of m.2 ssd
i highly do not recommend this
It's not an SSD
Hook it up to a 10 TB and see if tou can use it as you would a ssd.
only some archives will be red and written faster, mainly the Optane will hold the OS and a few programs, other achives and programs stored outside the Optane drive will be very slow to read and write.
Here's the problem, for $60, you can get a 120GB SSD, which will be much faster and there would actually be more storage.
Optane proves it's uselessness again. If I wanted to cache my HDD, I would get an SSHD, doesn't even require an M.2 slot.
If, and this is a big If, in the future we can use it the same as RAM, that's when it'll be useful.
Intel just wanted something to stand up to AMD and this is their first trial and error.
lakimens Optane bosses prove their ineptitude again. Optane would be good as an NVME SSD or as a power-loss surviving cache on a high speed raid controller. A dedicated external memory card for a software controlled disk cache is a near-useless product even if not saddled with artificial market availability limitations.
SSHDs have performance bottlenecks that Optane doesn't have.
I agree about the 120GB SSD part, but an SSHD is only slightly faster than an regular HDD the M.2 is basically giving your a HDD speeds somewhere in-between a HDD and a SSD
heres theproblem HD can come in sized almost 5x the size of SSD and the cost is much less. I see this as an extra for people that already have a HD or a business that runs with them. I really doubt people are going to trash their SSDs and buy a Drive with this and go back wards...
Your over thinking this and also thinking backwards.
Optane on SSHD?
So funny story but militarized versions of this are going into the Mitsubishi joint MLU program for the f22 raptor .
If one looks at the production and development chain , well it doesn’t make much sense in the consumer market but for more archaic boards , in speciality markets , or proprietary industrial chip sets , commonly you’ll find m2 slots - m2 slots are old, they are just re utilized technology.
It’s interesting
My computer comes with the i7-8700, 7200 1TB drive with Optane 16gb memory. Its blazing fast compared to my previous computer. But if I upgraded to a SSD, I wouldn't buy the Optane memory. Optane memory is only made for Mechanical Drives with the newer Intel CPU's. Its cheap way to get SSD performance. I believe Intel is going in the right direction with the Optane Memory.
"yesteryear"...
Nope. Nope.
Also, it should be noted, if no one else already has, that the Optane will only work with the system drive. Any additional drive(s) that you may have won't see any benefit from it.
Idd it's odd having Optane in a new M.2 equipped Z270 PC, just buy a NVMe M.2..
It's not good to touch the gold contacts. Your skin oil can damage or at least contaminate the contacts. Now you know :)
What if I have SSD and HDD at the same time? Would Optane be any beneficial for me?
Only if you constantly used programs/information stored on the m.2
If all you used were on the ssd then threr would only be a difference in backup speed which would offer an oberall speed benefit of up to 2% maximum alsom known as close to nothing. Ssd is to be used for storage and m.2 hard drives for backup.
i have this case, and i love it, originally seated a pentium on a 775 socket.
Linus, may i suggest a config worth trying
partition the ssd so there is an os partition and a smaller games partition.
then config the optane to accelerate the second partion only .
please run a video investigating this config
Optane can only accelerate the primary boot drive IIRC
so no multi-HDD ?
Nick Fury h
Yet again that is incorrect.
You think in the box too much.
Intel optane can be used as stand alone storage... WHICH MEANS!
A program like PrimoCache would work.
WTH is Intel's SRT Technology? :) RST, buddy, RST. Rapid Storage Technology.
Isn't the SRT Viper a car lol
No its Super Rapid .... Technology
okay maybe not
What if you have a computer with 2 different drives SSD and HDD , what is gonna happen when u , use application that has been installed on SSD to open file on HDD? It gonna speed up when i open files on HDD with that cause?
optane only applies itself to the drive running your operating system.
HMM hardly seems worth it then, better just to have SSD sata drive as a boot drive for new systems
Sounds like best use with ZFS cache device and zfs intent log and most important as a swap device.
Providing there are actual both illumos/MacOS/Linux/FreeBSD drivers and OS support for it's best use as non-volatile disk space (meaning, that behavior of reusing retaining data after shutdown)...so encryption on such devices is a must.. (Also no stinkin' Win-doze spyware, thanks).
How many times did you guys by WIndows 10? How much did that totally cost?
u bought windows haha
@@sim6057138 not everyone is a pirate like you
You can get windows 10 for free officially😂😂
@@MarcellCsendes yu sure 🕴
They pirate it
ehh rather want a 1tb m.2. drive then that optane
Won't that be the day when a 1tb m.2 drive costs $77
I agree. i'm currently looking at the Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD - CT1000P1SSD8 m.2 drive for $145, read/write speeds of 2000/1750 MB/s.
Purchased Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB. 2 of them. Definitely don't need to be any faster 😂