AR4: There's So Much Rust To Clean!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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In this episode I start removing and cleaning rust from the Oliver #35 bandsaw. I'm soaking parts in vinegar then using a heavy grit scotch bride pad to break away the rust. Once the heavy rust is removed I finish by using a wire wheel on my drill, or for more aggressive work, I use a wire wheel on my grinder. I'm also featuring a dining room table build, which I'm calling the redwood table. It's a simple four leg table that's 10' long. You'll get to see us mill the wood for the table top, cut the mortise and tenon joints, and apply finish.
See more on the bandsaw restoration here, #oliver35bandsw: / ar_txwoodcraft #AndyRawls #GoAndMakeIt
Thank you for explaining the purpose behind a spring joint other than just being able to clamp it in the middle! I have seen a million woodworking videos and they talk about making spring joints but never explained as far as the humidity and loss of moisture through the ends of the boards happening at a different rate than the centers. Finally I get it!
Andy, thank you putting in the dedication into your craft. It is truly enjoyed. I wish I could add more to the comments, but I've been bouncing in and out of the hospital lately. The cocktail mixture of drugs has me in stupidville more times than not. I'm enjoying the time in the shop via your shop - thanks! "W.W."
am i the only one who is actually happy to watch the ads because it will support this guy
Can't wait to see this thing finished. I love old bandsaws.
I'm 26 and have just gained an interest in woodworking. Ive needed to find a good hobby that I enjoy and to help unwind and relax and it will take many, many years before I get to any kind of "professional" level, but your videos are a huge inspiration because of the love and the craft that goes into anything you're making. Even the golf ball display case. Keep up the great work and I hope you continue to have success through your channel!
Wow. That table is unbelievable!
Sir please keep making these videos. Every time I watch one of your videos I get even more excited. I only recently started wood working and I've learned so much by watching you, and now with content like this I'm learning even more. Please keep it up! Your work is amazing!
I’m a woodworker, but I don’t know too much about machinery. I’ll still watch this video and really enjoy it anyway haha.
New here, great video. The tapered pin with the mushroomed small end, file the mushroom head off, either tap it out with the proper size punch or just leave it in place, fill the large end of the hole with something to keep the rust out. The dirty wood, I have found a quick run over with a belt sander and well-used belt saves a lot on your planer/jointer blades.
I'm loving the projects and the "behind the scenes" content.. It gives me a "sense" of what "the dream" might look like, moving from hobbyist to trying to making money at it. Thanks
That table is absolutely beautiful! Woodworking is true art.
Love the behind the scene videos. All the detail. Fellow Texan here! Appreciate all the hard work and effort you put into your videos. This beats any TLC or HGTV show any day!
That table is just beautiful!
I think most of us would agree that if you have the shaft out of the housing etc you might as well replace the bearings . Any quick search with the identification number of the bearing online and you'll be able to purchase replacements.
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Half acetone and half automatic transmission fluid is the best rest remover I've ever seen.
Really appreciate your videos Andy. Am gonna tackle a farm style table for my wife out of Mesquite. So your comments are timely.
That really is a beautiful piece off furniture lovely colour too great job guys
I really enjoyed watching this, I liked how you talked a little about everything after you showed it
I love the raw metal bolts. It's a great look. Ive had great luck using waterbased poly to keep them from rusting.
i use Evaporust to remove rust on my restoration projects. It works much better than anything I have tried. It even removes rust from the inside of screw holes. It helps to free up rusted assemblies. Nice work. Good video!
Hmmmm....it almost looks like it has a "motor-on-shaft" unit in the lower housing. Check google for images of that. Also, 3-5HP is what these originally came with. Unless you are resawing thick boards all day, you should even be fine with 3HP. Rust removing gel might work for some of the larger pieces, if you don't want to soak them or wire wheel them.
Thanks for chiming in...just subscribed to your channel, awesome stuff!! So, I originally thought it was direct drive motor on shaft but it’s definitely not. I’ll have to mount a motor on the side and use a pulley. The table and main body are too big for a vinegar soak so I might try the gel. Thanks for the info.
I'm glad to have found your channel! Let me know if you are looking for any old hand tools.
When I saw your request for assistance on the saw, I immediately thought of Hand Tool Rescue. Glad to see he chimed in already. He definitely knows his stuff.
Can’t wait to see it done. 👍🏿
When that first board came out of the planer I started laughing because of how good it looked. This is going to be an amazing table
Andy, I'm enjoying watching the bandsaw rebuild. I love old iron and seeing it put back in use. The steel frame inside the table was a great idea. I made an 8' long sewing table for my mother in law years ago. I put 3 cross braces in it and it's held up well. The steel frame is a better solution. Happy New Year!
You should seriously check out *Keith Rucker - **VintageMachinery.org* youtube channel.
He fully restores all sorts of old machinery just like you're doing. Just watching a few of them and you'll learn so much and avoid mishaps like the tapered pin.
I would also avoid using vinegar, with it being as acidic as it is it will eat away at the metal. As someone else mentioned Evapo-Rust is a really good product to use.
P.S. you can buy tapered pins so no need to have them made ;)
Gargoyles was my favorite tv show as a kid
The steel frame on the table was a great idea. I really love the look of that wood. Thanks for great videos.
Your videos are much appreciated by this armchair wood hack/machinist.
Nice table, I have done the same for long tables with the steel frame, works a treat and never sags.
Another way to remove stubborn rust on small parts is soaking them in boiling water with some cream of tartar in the water. Im not sure the mix. You might need to look that up. But ive tried it with small parts and its amazing to remove rust!
To get the bellhousings off: 1. support the hosuing with an overhead crane. 2. grab 2 pry bars. 3. pry from both sides evenly (this will require alot of force!)
To separate the end bells from the shaft, use a torch and heat up the end bell around the shaft area carefully so you don't crack the cast iron. Use multiple shims in the end bell mating surface opening to the body of the band saw. Continue to slowly drive the shims in and there will be a loud bang or popping noise as the end bell housing releases from the bearing.
Awesome table
You always do the best videos keep up the great craftsmanship
Just came across your channel Andy. I liked your persona immediately and the way you craft.
Another great video Andy! Keep it up!
Tapered machine pin. They can still be bought, McMaster Carr has them, they come in different sizes, they also sell tapered framersI restore a lot of old metal working machines.Thanks Ron in Ohio
You might try using some long pieces of plate across the outer housing secured to the holes on the corners, then run longer bolts down to saw base to act as jacking bolts to push hub casing off. It would have to be pretty thick steel to be rigid enough but we did things like that pretty often at the papermill I worked at for years. Just use an impact to pop it loose. We called it a jacking plate.
Beautiful work as always Andy! The Oliver will be a beast when your done with it!
Andy, go to vintagemachinery.com for info on the BS. There is a group forum OWWM that you can go to. Post a question and they will help you out
There's also a lot of info to be garnered from Kieth's videos of the LeBlond lathe restoration.
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Awesome table and great video!
no complaints on any video yet! love the day to day behind the scene stuff! :)
Exceptional. I learned a lot, thanks for the behind the scenes videos.
Another good rust remover I was told was molasses it requires a one part molasses to 7 parts water. i have never tried this but was told it works.
Awesome table andy
It’s a bit expensive but totally worth it. Buy a 5 gallon bucket of EvapoRust. It will actually remove the rust completely. And it’s reusable. They guy on Hand Tool Rescue uses it. And I’ve started using it now. It’s so worth it.
I remember when you didn't speak at all on camera.
I don't mean it in a "it was better then, you sold out!!!" kind of way lol. I mean that it's cool to see how you became much more comfortable doing that, and it came to you naturally.
Great video as always. I love seeing you progress both with your business and your youtube channel.
Porter cable restorer is perfect for removing the dirt check local Lowe’s a lot are liquidating them works wonderful
For cleaning rust off bolt threads, chuck the wire wheel up in your drill press. Your back will thank you and it’s easier to move a little part around rather than a drill. I picked up that method from Hand Tool Rescue.
You might try evapo rust or naval jelly. I’ve only ever had so-so results with vinegar. Soda blasting could be a method for you to look at as well. I haven’t tried it but I want to.
Thanks...why haven’t I thought of that!!
As someone who works at a sandblasting shop...that whole thing could be done in a few hours down to beautiful gray metal! I can tell you right now Andy, the couple hundred (maybe) that you'd spend to get it done will be well worth it and you'll get much better paint adhesion. My 2 cents. Good luck mate!
Keep at 'er...it'll be epic when finished!👍👍
Love the behind the scenes video. I'm a self (and RUclips) taught woodworker so it's great to learn real techniques for good joinery. P.S. Just found out that our wives went to grad school together!
I love your videos I am currently taking woodshop in high school (junior) and would love to have a shop like yours!!
For the tapered pin, sand/file off the mushroomed head then tap it out. You will need to replace the pin, which you can get from McMaster-Carr.
Andy try sending in very hot steam and pour cold water on it, most of the gaps get collapse under pressure. Once open u can unrust them. Just a thought though!😂
Great value in this content. The steel sub frame is such a great idea!
Make an account at OWWM.org and make a post. There are a number of people that have restored oliver bandsaws. Love to see you working on bringing one back, welcome to the club.
something i would like to see is like a "beginners guide to woodworking" showing how to plane and what your looking for doing so, shaping wood, general tips and things like that. just for those of us that may have interest in starting out, or making just a simple workbench, box, frames, or whatever. nothing deeply advanced. just teachings on how to do something simple correctly. things every beginner should know. that sort of thing.
I’m really enjoying your channel. Thank you for sharing!
You should include a few more eye candy close up shots of the wood grain on the table after you finished it for our enjoyment
Really really enjoyed this one Andy! The behind the scenes format is great and definitely not something i've seen on any other channel, I look forward to more!!
That’s great to hear thanks!
Thanks for the planing advice around the 9:50 mark. 👍
I personality love the behind the scenes look. Gives me another way to do something.
Enjoyed this video! Keep it up!
really cool, yellow can ez off oven cleaner is a great grease krud and paint remover, I also like berryman parts cleaner, comes in a gallon can. Bearings are by size, use a mike or Vernier of and shaft size or id and od.
You can get those tapered pin from McMaster catalog. You need the sizes on each end. They come in number sizes, as far as covers they might have clips that fasten on casting
That is a beautiful table andy!! Nicely done!!
Evapo-rust is way easier than the vinegar and wire brush method. It's more expensive than vinegar, but it can be filtered and saved for future use until the solution goes black. Parts coming out of evapo-rust can be oil sprayed if you're not ready to paint when dried so they don't flash rust, you should be degreasing before paint anyway. Might also want to see what a powder coating shop might be able to do for you for a more durable finish.
Tapered pins are readily available from such places as McMaster Carr. Grind off the mushroom, put some penetrating oil on it, and use a punch to get it out the correct way.
Hey Andy,
Some helpful advice for the bandsaw that comes from my ventures into the engineering world;
- Find a product called Evaporust, that will knock the rust off and have it come up bright and shiny, I think you should find better success than the vinegar. Theres a chap named Adam Booth who goes by the name of Abom79 on youtube who has used it to great success on camera, he had no need to wire brush after using it.
- Your bolts, if the climate is anything like here in the UK, will need some kind of coating if you don't want to be polishing them every winter/fall. I have used Caswell Black Ox (I think thats the name) to restore bolts to the original blackened look. Since this is a permeable coating you will want to use their sealer, which will maintain the bolts black patina.
- Taper pins, should you ever get that one out, I'm sure you would probably get them from McMaster Carr. Not 100% sure as I am in the UK, but all the RUclips guys seem to use them for parts that will definitely be unobtainable from Home Depot.
Hope these comments bring you some good tips. Hopefully they will be in exchange for some of the things I've learned from you.
Love the channel, always looking out for new content from you. You have the power to slow me down a notch, which is much appreciated. And I have developed an increased love for hand tools over machinery since watching your stuff.
Best regards,
Jack. Sheffield, UK
That table is a beast & the colure is so nice. Keep up the good work dude
I am not sure if you know the process but the metal that you want to use bare, put boiled linseed oil on it use a little heat from a torch it will give the metal a great old look that will compliment this great old machine.
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Cool project! I was relieved.........and slightly disappointed, that when the massive weight shifted from the trailer to the blocking, that the trailer did not spring up and catapult your help into the air!! It would have been cool footage! DD
For cleaning the big parts give media blasting some thought. You should be able to get a portable guy to come to you for a couple hundred. Considering the time it’s going to take to do it with chemicals and wire wheel it would be worth it. Looking forward to seeing the progress.
Handy to use tool butter on those raw fasteners and other raw metal surfaces. Mix of mineral oil, mineral spirits, and paraffin or beeswax..Works well on saws, metal tables, and raw metal parts on machinery.
Thanks for the video Andy. Love your content!
New subscriber from Ireland , liked the 10 foot table and ladder shelf. Looks like a cool channel, I've only watched 2 videos but I can tell the rest should be good. Thumbs up and good luck with the bandsaw restoration. I am a electronic engineer by trade and like to do woodworking as a hobby in my free time. I have a good selection of tools but my workshop is tiny, I mean real small, to small to do any projects inside so my work is weather permitting. Hope to build a decent size shop in the future.
There is a company in Jenison, MI, about 10 miles west of where that was built, that competed with Oliver called Tannewitz. They are still in business and rebuild old band saws. You might be able to get a hold of them to get some info on getting that housing off.
Bring the shaft and bearings to Bohls Bearings in SA and they will have everything you need. Good luck.
Andy, when you first showed the bandsaw, I did a search by the brand name for manuals (I didn't know the model number, just the name). What I found was the Company/Web has manuals for six to eight different models. So I'm thinking you can get a manual by searching by name and model. It would be useful for information and parts as you need it.
I am a big fan of your how-to videos. I have learned so much from them.
Also, if you don't have the time to do the search, I would be happy to do it for you. Just send all pertinent information. Good luck.
Nice table
I would take a pry bar and place the edge on the crack and tap with a sort blow hammer (after you remove the nuts or bolts that are around the housing) keep moving the bar around the edge until it starts to enter the crack when it does you can hammer a little harder keep moving around the housing. It should come off with this technique.
Would love a table like this
Good work on the band saw, I was thinking media blasting the major parts. I would remove and replace all the bearings as you go, better now then if you have one fail after assembly. Contact a good bearing house and they should be able to match them for you. Also a touch of heat from a propane torch can help unfreeze metal parts, be gentle with the torch and have a fire extinguisher handy ;-) As for cleaning the rough wood, use a wide blade paint scraper to knock off the big stuff then a hand held belt sander to get the rest of the finer stuff, blow it off and it should be much kinder to your planer blades.
Hi Andy, I've been enjoying your videos for quite some time now and I appreciate you putting in the extra effort to create more of these behind the scenes type videos. Carpenting is a hobby to me and I've noticed that you tend to glue up boards without a tongue/groove kind of setup. You might not be showing that part in the video so if that's the case, I was wondering if you've had any issues without them? In my experience, they tend to help with aligning the boards and prevent wood from moving while the glue sets. Clamping them together with glue in between often pushes some boards up or down as the glue almost acts as a bar of soap you're trying to squeeze. In any case, keep up the good work, I really like your style and enjoy seeing people aren't afraid to do some things by hand.
Id recommend trying to message a guy on youtube called Hand Tool Restorations, i know this isnt a hand tool but the dude is a savage when it comes to tinkering and restoring old machines and doing bits and bobs along these lines i believe he wants to set up a page to help people in your predicament too, i’d try hitting him up. Good luck.
Blue the bolts!
I am new to your channel but liking what i see !;-)
I love these videos!
Andy- You might want to consider a VFD drive so you can use a 3-phase motor. They are very affordable these days (about $400.00). Allows you to turn your single phase power into 3-phase. Gives you more power & provides you with a "speed control". If you know an electrical engineer, they use this technology widely in industry and the engineer can lay it out for you. I know it's additional cost (and the 3-phase motors can be pricey, but you can find used), but it will make the saw much more versatile for your business. Nice craftsmanship, Brother!!
Two things - WD-40 soaks before and after will help clean and preserve it. And two, Keith Rucker is your primary source! Get in touch with him ASAP.
Pressure washer is what you need for the dirty wood. It will work on oiley metal and knock off some rust, too
Beautiful table Andy.
I love the videos! Happy to be subscribed. 😀
For rust removal you might try CRC Rust Converter or Evapo-Rust.
Andy, your shop is looking a lot like mine :).
Good timing. I have two sets of cast iron factory cart hardware that I need to clean up for some coffee table builds. I know how to do it. Just needed a little motivation. Great vid as always.
A.R., one of, the very few, things my dad ever taught me:
he said..."if it is hard to do; you are probably doing it wrong."
although i do not miss him; this advice has served me well for
70+ years. 7.5HP!!! great vid.! thnx for noting your "mistakes";
that helps all us amateurs! sub'd & "like." regards, walt
those two outside covers or brg. housings one side will have to be pried off with 2 pry bars the bearings are a little tight on the shaft and in the housing but it will break loose the shaft will stay in one side or the other until you get it apart I have worked on similar machines.
Also for parts McMaster-Carr if they don't have it you probably can not find it. Great source for machine parts and supplies. Usually super fast service.