Exactly! EXACTLY! It was a real relief to see that now as it's the proper way of doing it safely. Maybe not so relevant in parts of the US where it's just dusty, but in the UK it makes such a massive difference.
@@SuperchargedLlama Is it a rinseless wash then if you've just rinsed with the PW?! Though I agree with the point in terms of a safe wash as belt and braces but would probably not be required in the summer months, even here in the UK.
@@gsmautomotive absolutely correct. It's rinseless when the conditions are correct - it would be perfect for a summer wash, but the rinseless bit really only applies to the bit after you apply the product (in my mind anyway), so you just dry it from that point without rinsing off the shampoo. No one ever said you didn't need to do a pre-wash. That's a common misconception in my mind, but that's highly subjective.
@@SuperchargedLlama yes agree mate, totally subjective as I’d say a rinseless product should mean you can just wash and go with no pre wash etc required
@@gsmautomotive the rinseless wash is not replacing the whole process, it’s replacing the mitt with the suds and the shampoo part. So instead of rinsing off the suds, you don’t have to. If you would just wash a car with car shampoo, without doing a pre-wash, then go for it. In my mind, it’s replacing that specific element.
I’ve tried many rinsless wash brands including DIY detail , I then went back to using GT one shampoo . I then recently purchased GT one rinseless and it’s definitely the best I’ve used to date . My method : Pre rinse with bilt hamber touchless ( destroys all dirt and brake dust amazingly) Pressure wash off BH touchless Then one bucket with 10L and 3 caps of GT rinseless . Last - use infinity wax quick detailer as drying aid Result - amazing gloss and shine all wrapped up in 40 minutes. After using bilt hammer in a IK sprayer and pressure washing that off my drying towel at the end is still completely clean.
You've round the same as me then, which is a great. I used Koch Chemie Vb here as it was so dirty, so I needed something more potent than Touch-Less. My standard wash foam has been GT snow V2 for the last year and I've enjoyed that a lot, it's very similar to Touch-Less and performs about the same, although it's actually a bit tougher on road grim than Touch-Less is.
You are correct regarding Feynlab. I did a rinseless wash yesterday with Feynlab V3 - my Big Red Sponge had some black stains. After the wash, rinsed out the sponge and sprayer. After a few hours, noticed that the Big Red Sponge had it's red color back. No black stains. All gone!!
You'll be pleased to know that this does exactly the same thing. It's great isn't it, when the wash media is clean afterwards. I had a shock when I used Wolfgang's, it held on to everything. The next car I did I was using Feynlab and I dropped the mitt into the bucket, then just squeezed it out and the bucket went absolutely black with dirt 😵💫
I use a rinseless occasionally. Typically when dirt level low and I want a quick wash without getting too much kit out. First impressions were your use of rinseless after pre-washing with a pressure washer was a bit lost on me, it conflicts with when i would use it. But I think I will have to give this approach a go and see what I think in practice. Having dwelled on it (see what i did), it is still adding efficiency and is opening the potential to use more frequently due to inclusion of the pre-wash.
You're absolutely right in your use case, that's how I typically use a Rinseless wash myself. This car was too dirty to do that with, but a good place to demonstrate it none the less. I used to have a water tank in the van (being a mobile detailer) and I found that even if I pre-washed with a foam, I used so much less water overall if I used a Rinseless for the wash process, which is a usecase that isn't talked about that often.
I do love how thorough your tests are, Adrian, not so many take the time to do months of preparation, before uploading, good job. Turning to doing a prewash, ive not done thst before and have used a bottle of P&S without issue, mainly only on a lightly dusted/soiled car and, ive not seen an issue. Adding a full prewash does, sort of puts me off, I think, do i think.... ive no idea now 😂😂
Thanks as always dude! I do completely understand where you're coming from; if you're doing a Rinseless wash, one of the perks is you don't have to get the pressure washer out, right? So this seems counter intuitive (and it probably is), but at the same time it is a way of using less water when washing a dirty car I guess (in terms of needing a pre-wash). I have to say that in the summer I still usually pre-wash, but I might just use the Rinseless as the cleaning agent, rather than a foam.
If there was one product to dable with, I'd shoot for this. I'm curious to try it in all the context Yvans Lacroix extols, but I haven't had the time to go that far yet.
Never got on with GT sigma but after watching the video you gave me an idea to try something different. Washed the car this morning in the normal way but then I used sigma like a drying aid, no streaks ! Went round with a soft microfibre after, not sure i needed to but looked great and feels really slick. Will have to see what the hydrophobics are like on the next wash. Cheers for that llama man, might of saved the sigma going to waste.
@keithblacknell957 V2 is that one that had this reputation or being a bit of a pig, that's also why I never tried it as there's just no time for that. I'm really pleased that doing it as a drying aid has helped with the application of it darling!
Now that is what I want to hear. Not that you just agree with me, but also that you've got a broad frame of reference (similar to me, but not the same as I definitely stopped trying lots of the new ones as Feynlab is so good), and you still find the GT to be 👍
@@SuperchargedLlama I can’t justify to myself buying basic stuff from half way around the world. Maybe for a long life ceramic coating but for soap I feel bad. Always try and buy local as long as the local stuff is half decent. Hope you have a great weekend bud!
I think there's a misconception with rinseless. It replaces contact wash shampoo, not the prerinse as well. Yes one can do a rinseless wash without prerinse but unless the vehicle has a light layer of contamination it's best to do a prewash even if it's just a hose down to remove larger contaminates. Bilt Hambler Touchless or foam is a perfect compliment. Get a cheap garden pump sprayer and you're all set👍.
I agree with you whole heartedly there. The Rinseless bit only applies to the contact wash stage, but there's so much content out there showing that you do it the whole way from the pre-wash (not that the bulk of Americans really don't really do much pre-wash apart from rinsing). The car I demonstrated with here definitely needed more than Touch-Less as it was so dirty and engrained; Vb or Garage Therapy Decon Shampoo were perfect for the pre-wash (and actually would have been the ideal contact wash product too, but the Rinseless worked well enough). Touch-Less is brilliant though, isn't it?
Fenylab is surfactant heavy, Its great for slightly oily surfaces or slightly dirty levels. Interesting to know more about Garage therapy. It's starting to engage my interest. GT have made the dosing to appeal to the US market. UK market is small in comparison to the growing US. Doesn't 60°C ruin microfibers? Tbh I've not ever gone passed 40°C. Labocosmetica Idrosave is a really nice rinse-less to use if your looking for a wash and seal without using up your time. Amour detail supplies Hero is the one I use the most as its more polymer based but the surfactants are good and they vape out easily. Good panel by panel in the sun. Polymer spots mop up easily too. It's a fantastic rinse-less wash if you've not tried it 👍 There's always room for a different type of rinse-less like this in my cupboard
I think GT are looking to launch in the US in '25 I believe, so you may well be in luck! Absolutely brilliant products to use, I think you'll like them. I do really like Feynlab Rinseless though, that level of surfactants makes it really good at Rinseless Washing something that's more than just dusty, which seems to be the case most of the time in the UK. You've piqued my interest on the Armour stuff there though, I think we can get that so shall give it a punt! With regards to washing the cloths at 60 - I've not had any issues yet. I never tumble them on high of course.
@SuperchargedLlama OK 60°C is good to know. I don't wanna mess up my drying towel when using Labocosmetica Idrosave rinseless wash. Armour is great- Pilot is a good interior detailer, like Carpro inner QD. I've just bought Ghost which is an outstanding long lasting tyre sealant that dries to the touch, giving you hydrophobic properties that last 3-6 months. Although the satin finish (1layer) or glazed doughnut finish (2-3 layers) comes off after 2-3 months but then 1 layer to top up the gloss level- the protection simply sits there underneath still. Their glass coating is good. Wheel cleaner is exceptional- buy it in the gallon format as its more cost effective to the average wheel cleaner. It has iron removing chemistry too. Armour detail supplies is a good brand but it's expensive. It does work well though. Hero is an outstanding rinseless wash. 🙌
@79blustone I feel like I'm going to have to get in on some that action! If you get Garage Therapy at some point I can also recommend Tyre Serum - it's not a dressing as such, more a conditioner and it leaves a lovely factory fresh, new rubber look.
Great video even with the lass in the background! Just off tangent, you mentioned washing microfibres (?) at 60 degrees with the chosen wash, however, manufactures of microfibres recommend below, generally 40 degrees. So who is correct, the wash manufacturer or the microfibre manufacturer?
This is the correct question to be asking! And I've just gone back and looked at my new container of Microfibre Refresh - this says wash on Warm and tumble dry on low. Now I wonder if I misremembered the old bottle I had of whether I just experimented around and found now ill side effects from washing at 60...not too sure. I generally wash the cloths on 40, and with malco that works fine, but with other detergents I had to up the heat to get the cleaning action. BUT, again, with the spray sealants in the cloths I've found that I really need to wash hot in order to shift them out in one go, but it does also help that the Malco detergent is very good. And as I read that, I think my answer is clear as mud! What I would say is that I follow manufactures guidelines with clothes, so I'd be inclined to follow it with cloths as well...whilst also knowing that I get the best results with the malco detergent.
The Garage Therapy. They're very close, but the fragrance of the GT is nicer to my nose and for interior work that is important. The Feynlab is marginally more streaky on glass too, although it's by a minute amount, next to impossible to really tell (compared to the Feynlab V1, which was terrible for it).
@@SuperchargedLlama Thank you so much for the reply. The streaking was going to be another question I had. We are all seeing the car manufacturers installing expensive and sensitive touch screens some with piano surrounds etc. Did you see streaking or residue left by either products on surfaces such as touch screens etc.
Looks interesting. I was considering getting a bottle of mckees n914 after my onr ran out. How does the GT stuff compare? And would you consider an Ivan technique of wash clay and wax with rinseless?
Having used McKee's, this is far superior in terms of cleaning ability. They're very similar in terms of slickness etc, but the GT finishes down well on the glass and I found McKee's never did that as well. It also removes polish residue just as well as Feynlab, and McKee's didn't do that either. I guess you can say that I do follow Yvans approach here (without the claying) because I used the spray sealant. You can definitely use it as a clay lube, just like ONR and it is effective at that, tbh all of the Rinseless washes are.
@@SuperchargedLlama thanks for the honest reply. I might have to rethink the mckees given that I do use onr after polishing to get a pristine surface before waxing
@@peemick with that specific task you will find GT is much further ahead of the game (as is Feynlab). ONR also leaves something behind, I'm absolutely certain of it, but McKee's and GT seem to be almost like panel wipe, without being so harsh!
@@SuperchargedLlama I would agree, and the ONR is the base product of the Optimum range. i think it does leave polymers behind to give it that shine, as well as a base layer for products to grab onto, like their car wax and and opti-seal (two amazing products). I don't find it interferes with the longevity or beading of the lsps I use, but still better to be naked. I do like GT zero decon wash so seems reasonable to give their rinseless a shot
Maybe you could take photos of your label. My 1l bottle says QD 1:128 and clay lubricant 1:64 It also says twice that it can be used on interiors. With that out of the way, I'm still playing with it. For summer i could easily use the 1:384, but need crappy English weather to see what its really like against the Americans. I do like it a lot though! Top tip on the door shuts. Lastly, id never heard of rinseless until i watched your video on cleaning glass. Boy has that video been a slippery slope for me! I barely use shampoo now. A big genuine thank you
Occasionally i will just jet wash a car and do nothing else (live in very soft water area), likely scenarios are car already detailed and dust particles from local farms on car or mud on lanes from tractors, or during winter and it's so cold and windy etc. Anyway this is a rough and easy way to improve the look in a safe way. Have you tested this GT product by say spraying on and jet washing of comparing results to just a jet wash. Trying to find a reason that one of these products might have a use for me as i'm not sure i'm ready for rinseless over conventional washing methods at the moment. Ps i love your non standard use of Sigma, so many times i would love to use up some old V1 & V2 but don't because of weather conditions and always seem to revert back to Wet Coat. Must try this out - cheers.
If I had soft water I'd do the same as you too I think, although a spray down with something first to help encapsulate the dirt a bit. To which end I will do a test with the GT Rinseless Vs Feynlab Pure Rinseless and then perhaps something like GT foam or Touch-Less, just to compare how much of a difference they make.
@@SuperchargedLlama Fantastic, thanks for the reply. I look forwards to you doing this test. Yes your right re prewash, IK sprayers with something like Tochless are brilliant in these scenarios. Best wishes.
Interesting video, it looks a really good rinseless, I think like you say garage therapy are missing a trick by not saying on their labelling that it can be used for vehicle interiors, as most other brands do recommend rinseless for interiors!
Yeah it's interesting that it follows the Feynlab approach rather than the ONR one when it comes to that sort of thing, even though it's better than ONR at all of the things it does from interior detailing point of view.
It certainly is dad; even if you just used it as an interior maintenance cleaner you'd be getting good mileage from it (because not everyone is down for a rinseless wash - good alternative use for them is treating them like a regular shampoo, they just don't waterspot much at all!).
How does sigma v3 compare to v1, ive just finished v1 which ive had for donkeys (too many products) also want to explore rinseless which i may try GT version now I came across this review.
It's lasting really well, i think it's 16 weeks on my car and whilst the bottom of the doors are fading, the top of the door line up is still grand! Which, when wet applied, is pretty good I'd say.
@@liamneale1831 yeah I think it was more a correction for V2, which has greater durability than V1, but was but grabby when buffing. This doesn't have that issue at all .
Garage Therapy is always top draw.. Im going back to their car shampoo after deflecting to GSF for a while.. Have you tried their Shampoo v3? whats it like etc..
I've not tried V3, but V2 is mega, much nicer than gsf as a shampoo that's for sure. I'm loathed to say it's "better" because it's subjective when it comes to pH neutral stuff.
@@SuperchargedLlama Ok nice man, excited to try it... Getting a new car delivered next week which will be ceramic coated.. looking for that perfect shampoo for the weekly wash.
@@RossT551 This would definitely be suitable! Just don't skimp on the pre-wash process in the winter periods, even if you're just pre-soaking with Rinseless and blasting off......although....that would be a good video to make!
@@SuperchargedLlama Always prewash with Touchless Bilt Hamber. A lot of the American "soaps", like DIY Detail and Clean by Pan, they use their ordinary shampoo as prewash, then recoat the car and do a normal wash.. I'm hoping Garage Therapy has the cleaning ability to do the same so I can cut out the Touchless.
Nice video man, it looks like a good product. I think forensics is doing his shootout currently, I did ask him about the lack of GT, seems they are still blacklisted which is a shame as it would have been good to see where it would line up. I'd hoped after time they might appear on his channel again but it seems not. Annoyingly(?), I have 5L of rinseless by Bouncers to use up which will take me an absolute age but after that I'll probably try GT. I've only done one rinseless wash so far but it was good, need to do more. Reason for going Bouncers was small company, british, formulated and made in house. GT fits that bill apart from them making their own stuff I think (unless that's since changed) so it ticks my boxes. The way you approached this Mini. What would have happened if you pre-sprayed with rinseless, let it sit and then went in with the sponge? Is it not strong enough to do that? Scenario would be I'm doing a rinseless so want the ease of not pulling out the PW and connecting it all up etc. Is that outside the realms of what the rinseless can do? I'll look into the rinseless sponges again, I think you commented on my post on DW yesterday about the aliexpress ones ;) (even though it was about autofoam vs touchless ha!). I wondered if the sponge material would be the same as the genuine ones, as the prices are quite frankly ridiculous and don't want to be spending that on a sponge...! For now I'll just use my regular microfibre wash pad/mitt. One for GT : maybe you can get them to put it in the feynlab style bottle for easier measurement? Finally, did you ever get more time with the DA9 to make a video on it? Starting to look at getting my first polisher. Look forward to the next vid, thanks
I didn't know that GT was sort of blacklisted on forensic, but I did wonder why it was missing. What happened there? You've asked a good question with regards to just using Rinseless to clean that mini. You definitely could have, but the risk of marring would have been significantly higher, so it wouldn't have been a safe wash. If it had just been cleaned the week before then yeah sure (and it hadn't gotten super muddy or anything). With super dirty things I think you'd be double washing too, but being realistic, yes it's probably outside of what a Rinseless could do safely, regardless of that video that TRC did with ONR. On the topic of sponges, I was really tempted myself to get one those Ali express sponges to check. I think I might still do it tbh because £30 for a sponge IS stupid.
@@SuperchargedLlamaUnfortunately so. I don't have all the details but it was all related to that snow foam video and the fallout afterwards I believe, he was really not pleased with GT but not sure exactly why. I think in one of his unofficial videos after he said he won't be reviewing them anymore as he really didn't like their response in the comments but I can see it now and seems civil to me 🤷♂. I thought it might be temporary but its still in effect, notice how there hasn't been any GT products on his channel for a long time? Because of that. A shame as he does the big comparison tests. I know of the TRC video you mention, I watched it and I really hate how they don't tell the whole story so much of the time as it misleads me into thinking it can do a lot more than reality. Ok, so there is a limit then that I need to be careful of. So, in the winter I should definitely make use of a pre-wash step and in the summer a pre-soak should be sufficient? Is it possible to use rinseless but not use a pressure washer in the winter, how would you tackle that?
@@GarageTherapyOfficial Wasn't disputing that! I was/am only watching it all unfold from the outside so you'll know the real reason why it's got to this stage and why it's led to your stuff still being banned...
That's a good question! If you're going down the prewash route, why not just use a shampoo? I guess the answer is speed and a water saving, that's my take on it. Over to Adrian, for the proper answer 😅
Yes I can see how I've potentially confused matters here. Fundamentally I'd say Rinseless wash is best used in the summer when you're cleaning a lightly dusty car (it's a popular method in the US). In this scenario you'd spray on (from the pump sprayer) the Rinseless wash, and then take your sponge/mitt from the bucket of Rinseless and clean the panel, then you'd dry it with a QD as the drying aid. So you could wash a lightly dirty car with about 20L of water...as opposed to 200L or something when you're doing a full car with pre-wash foam + rinse + shampoo + rinse. And it does it safely too, much safer than just spraying a QD on and wiping the dust away. (When I say "safer", I mean there's less chance of scratching the paint). In the scenario I've demonstrated in this video then it's really about using less water I guess, but the car was too dirty to safely Rinseless wash, so I needed to pre-wash it.
I probably have nearly every Rinseless wash except Apex my top 5 are Angle Wax H2NO , Feynlab V3 , Ethos , Labocosmetica Idrosave , Geyon just putting them in the Pot if anyone is interested as for washing towel best is Yumcars Wash MF bit more expensive then your others on Market but you get what you pay for 🤓
That reminds me, I've used the YUM detergent too, the Malco is equal to that but a lot LOT cheaper 👍 You're clearly very experienced with Rinseless, which is great. I'd say that the GT is definitely equal to Feynlab, so if you're looking to try a new one when one of them runs out, I'd say that's what you could expect from it.
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Finally, a company with a rinseless wash recommending a pre-wash! The world catches up.
Exactly! EXACTLY! It was a real relief to see that now as it's the proper way of doing it safely. Maybe not so relevant in parts of the US where it's just dusty, but in the UK it makes such a massive difference.
@@SuperchargedLlama Is it a rinseless wash then if you've just rinsed with the PW?! Though I agree with the point in terms of a safe wash as belt and braces but would probably not be required in the summer months, even here in the UK.
@@gsmautomotive absolutely correct. It's rinseless when the conditions are correct - it would be perfect for a summer wash, but the rinseless bit really only applies to the bit after you apply the product (in my mind anyway), so you just dry it from that point without rinsing off the shampoo. No one ever said you didn't need to do a pre-wash.
That's a common misconception in my mind, but that's highly subjective.
@@SuperchargedLlama yes agree mate, totally subjective as I’d say a rinseless product should mean you can just wash and go with no pre wash etc required
@@gsmautomotive the rinseless wash is not replacing the whole process, it’s replacing the mitt with the suds and the shampoo part. So instead of rinsing off the suds, you don’t have to. If you would just wash a car with car shampoo, without doing a pre-wash, then go for it. In my mind, it’s replacing that specific element.
I’ve tried many rinsless wash brands including DIY detail , I then went back to using GT one shampoo .
I then recently purchased GT one rinseless and it’s definitely the best I’ve used to date .
My method :
Pre rinse with bilt hamber touchless ( destroys all dirt and brake dust amazingly)
Pressure wash off BH touchless
Then one bucket with 10L and 3 caps of GT rinseless .
Last - use infinity wax quick detailer as drying aid
Result - amazing gloss and shine all wrapped up in 40 minutes.
After using bilt hammer in a IK sprayer and pressure washing that off my drying towel at the end is still completely clean.
You've round the same as me then, which is a great.
I used Koch Chemie Vb here as it was so dirty, so I needed something more potent than Touch-Less. My standard wash foam has been GT snow V2 for the last year and I've enjoyed that a lot, it's very similar to Touch-Less and performs about the same, although it's actually a bit tougher on road grim than Touch-Less is.
You are correct regarding Feynlab. I did a rinseless wash yesterday with Feynlab V3 - my Big Red Sponge had some black stains. After the wash, rinsed out the sponge and sprayer. After a few hours, noticed that the Big Red Sponge had it's red color back. No black stains. All gone!!
You'll be pleased to know that this does exactly the same thing. It's great isn't it, when the wash media is clean afterwards.
I had a shock when I used Wolfgang's, it held on to everything. The next car I did I was using Feynlab and I dropped the mitt into the bucket, then just squeezed it out and the bucket went absolutely black with dirt 😵💫
@@b374mxg cool, what ratio do you use? I seen conflicting suggestions and am interested to know from an actual user. Cheers
I use a rinseless occasionally. Typically when dirt level low and I want a quick wash without getting too much kit out. First impressions were your use of rinseless after pre-washing with a pressure washer was a bit lost on me, it conflicts with when i would use it. But I think I will have to give this approach a go and see what I think in practice. Having dwelled on it (see what i did), it is still adding efficiency and is opening the potential to use more frequently due to inclusion of the pre-wash.
You're absolutely right in your use case, that's how I typically use a Rinseless wash myself. This car was too dirty to do that with, but a good place to demonstrate it none the less.
I used to have a water tank in the van (being a mobile detailer) and I found that even if I pre-washed with a foam, I used so much less water overall if I used a Rinseless for the wash process, which is a usecase that isn't talked about that often.
Great review, and the Rinseless results on the Pantera, just ordered some 👍 great honest review 👊
💪 you won't be disappointed with that one at all. Let me know how you get on though, I'm really interested.
I do love how thorough your tests are, Adrian, not so many take the time to do months of preparation, before uploading, good job. Turning to doing a prewash, ive not done thst before and have used a bottle of P&S without issue, mainly only on a lightly dusted/soiled car and, ive not seen an issue. Adding a full prewash does, sort of puts me off, I think, do i think.... ive no idea now 😂😂
Thanks as always dude!
I do completely understand where you're coming from; if you're doing a Rinseless wash, one of the perks is you don't have to get the pressure washer out, right? So this seems counter intuitive (and it probably is), but at the same time it is a way of using less water when washing a dirty car I guess (in terms of needing a pre-wash). I have to say that in the summer I still usually pre-wash, but I might just use the Rinseless as the cleaning agent, rather than a foam.
Great video Adrian! Not gonna lie, still haven’t plucked up the courage to try any rinse less washes yet. Maybe garage therapy might change that 😁
If there was one product to dable with, I'd shoot for this. I'm curious to try it in all the context Yvans Lacroix extols, but I haven't had the time to go that far yet.
Never got on with GT sigma but after watching the video you gave me an idea to try something different.
Washed the car this morning in the normal way but then I used sigma like a drying aid, no streaks !
Went round with a soft microfibre after, not sure i needed to but looked great and feels really slick.
Will have to see what the hydrophobics are like on the next wash.
Cheers for that llama man, might of saved the sigma going to waste.
Oh that's great dude! What version of Sigma have you got there?
@@SuperchargedLlama V2 mate.
@keithblacknell957 V2 is that one that had this reputation or being a bit of a pig, that's also why I never tried it as there's just no time for that. I'm really pleased that doing it as a drying aid has helped with the application of it darling!
@@SuperchargedLlama yeah I tried all sorts of cloths and applications but just not good.
I'll report back in a few weeks.
@keithblacknell957 this is what I got from V3 when wet applied. instagram.com/reel/C9HnlzSt-FB/?igsh=MWU0ZDFtM291Zm16aA==
Great video, thanks. I agree GT rinseless is an excellent product. I’ve used most of the rinseless products available in uk and this is my go to.
Now that is what I want to hear. Not that you just agree with me, but also that you've got a broad frame of reference (similar to me, but not the same as I definitely stopped trying lots of the new ones as Feynlab is so good), and you still find the GT to be 👍
@@SuperchargedLlama I can’t justify to myself buying basic stuff from half way around the world. Maybe for a long life ceramic coating but for soap I feel bad. Always try and buy local as long as the local stuff is half decent. Hope you have a great weekend bud!
I think there's a misconception with rinseless. It replaces contact wash shampoo, not the prerinse as well. Yes one can do a rinseless wash without prerinse but unless the vehicle has a light layer of contamination it's best to do a prewash even if it's just a hose down to remove larger contaminates. Bilt Hambler Touchless or foam is a perfect compliment. Get a cheap garden pump sprayer and you're all set👍.
I agree with you whole heartedly there. The Rinseless bit only applies to the contact wash stage, but there's so much content out there showing that you do it the whole way from the pre-wash (not that the bulk of Americans really don't really do much pre-wash apart from rinsing).
The car I demonstrated with here definitely needed more than Touch-Less as it was so dirty and engrained; Vb or Garage Therapy Decon Shampoo were perfect for the pre-wash (and actually would have been the ideal contact wash product too, but the Rinseless worked well enough).
Touch-Less is brilliant though, isn't it?
Fenylab is surfactant heavy, Its great for slightly oily surfaces or slightly dirty levels. Interesting to know more about Garage therapy. It's starting to engage my interest. GT have made the dosing to appeal to the US market. UK market is small in comparison to the growing US.
Doesn't 60°C ruin microfibers? Tbh I've not ever gone passed 40°C.
Labocosmetica Idrosave is a really nice rinse-less to use if your looking for a wash and seal without using up your time.
Amour detail supplies Hero is the one I use the most as its more polymer based but the surfactants are good and they vape out easily. Good panel by panel in the sun. Polymer spots mop up easily too. It's a fantastic rinse-less wash if you've not tried it 👍
There's always room for a different type of rinse-less like this in my cupboard
I think GT are looking to launch in the US in '25 I believe, so you may well be in luck! Absolutely brilliant products to use, I think you'll like them.
I do really like Feynlab Rinseless though, that level of surfactants makes it really good at Rinseless Washing something that's more than just dusty, which seems to be the case most of the time in the UK.
You've piqued my interest on the Armour stuff there though, I think we can get that so shall give it a punt!
With regards to washing the cloths at 60 - I've not had any issues yet. I never tumble them on high of course.
@SuperchargedLlama OK 60°C is good to know. I don't wanna mess up my drying towel when using Labocosmetica Idrosave rinseless wash.
Armour is great- Pilot is a good interior detailer, like Carpro inner QD.
I've just bought Ghost which is an outstanding long lasting tyre sealant that dries to the touch, giving you hydrophobic properties that last 3-6 months. Although the satin finish (1layer) or glazed doughnut finish (2-3 layers) comes off after 2-3 months but then 1 layer to top up the gloss level- the protection simply sits there underneath still.
Their glass coating is good. Wheel cleaner is exceptional- buy it in the gallon format as its more cost effective to the average wheel cleaner. It has iron removing chemistry too.
Armour detail supplies is a good brand but it's expensive. It does work well though. Hero is an outstanding rinseless wash. 🙌
@79blustone I feel like I'm going to have to get in on some that action!
If you get Garage Therapy at some point I can also recommend Tyre Serum - it's not a dressing as such, more a conditioner and it leaves a lovely factory fresh, new rubber look.
Great video even with the lass in the background! Just off tangent, you mentioned washing microfibres (?) at 60 degrees with the chosen wash, however, manufactures of microfibres recommend below, generally 40 degrees. So who is correct, the wash manufacturer or the microfibre manufacturer?
This is the correct question to be asking! And I've just gone back and looked at my new container of Microfibre Refresh - this says wash on Warm and tumble dry on low. Now I wonder if I misremembered the old bottle I had of whether I just experimented around and found now ill side effects from washing at 60...not too sure. I generally wash the cloths on 40, and with malco that works fine, but with other detergents I had to up the heat to get the cleaning action.
BUT, again, with the spray sealants in the cloths I've found that I really need to wash hot in order to shift them out in one go, but it does also help that the Malco detergent is very good.
And as I read that, I think my answer is clear as mud! What I would say is that I follow manufactures guidelines with clothes, so I'd be inclined to follow it with cloths as well...whilst also knowing that I get the best results with the malco detergent.
Would a presoak in a bucket with some detergent and bicarb or vinegar help before the wash?
@@ChristopherWoods it might do, I've not tried that before.
Feynlab and Garage Therapy are very close on price. In your opinion, if you were going to grab one to use inside and out, which one would you go for ?
The Garage Therapy. They're very close, but the fragrance of the GT is nicer to my nose and for interior work that is important.
The Feynlab is marginally more streaky on glass too, although it's by a minute amount, next to impossible to really tell (compared to the Feynlab V1, which was terrible for it).
@@SuperchargedLlama Thank you so much for the reply. The streaking was going to be another question I had. We are all seeing the car manufacturers installing expensive and sensitive touch screens some with piano surrounds etc. Did you see streaking or residue left by either products on surfaces such as touch screens etc.
Looks interesting. I was considering getting a bottle of mckees n914 after my onr ran out. How does the GT stuff compare? And would you consider an Ivan technique of wash clay and wax with rinseless?
Having used McKee's, this is far superior in terms of cleaning ability. They're very similar in terms of slickness etc, but the GT finishes down well on the glass and I found McKee's never did that as well. It also removes polish residue just as well as Feynlab, and McKee's didn't do that either.
I guess you can say that I do follow Yvans approach here (without the claying) because I used the spray sealant. You can definitely use it as a clay lube, just like ONR and it is effective at that, tbh all of the Rinseless washes are.
@@SuperchargedLlama thanks for the honest reply. I might have to rethink the mckees given that I do use onr after polishing to get a pristine surface before waxing
@@peemick with that specific task you will find GT is much further ahead of the game (as is Feynlab). ONR also leaves something behind, I'm absolutely certain of it, but McKee's and GT seem to be almost like panel wipe, without being so harsh!
@@SuperchargedLlama I would agree, and the ONR is the base product of the Optimum range. i think it does leave polymers behind to give it that shine, as well as a base layer for products to grab onto, like their car wax and and opti-seal (two amazing products). I don't find it interferes with the longevity or beading of the lsps I use, but still better to be naked. I do like GT zero decon wash so seems reasonable to give their rinseless a shot
@@peemick I was a big fan of Opti-Seal back in the day, I must use it again actually!
Maybe you could take photos of your label. My 1l bottle says
QD 1:128 and clay lubricant 1:64
It also says twice that it can be used on interiors.
With that out of the way, I'm still playing with it. For summer i could easily use the 1:384, but need crappy English weather to see what its really like against the Americans.
I do like it a lot though!
Top tip on the door shuts.
Lastly, id never heard of rinseless until i watched your video on cleaning glass. Boy has that video been a slippery slope for me! I barely use shampoo now. A big genuine thank you
I definitely need to check mine dude. I feel super stupid for reading the bottle and potentially missing further information 😂
Solid review Adrian 🤌
Thank you - hopefully it helps if you were considering it (or just interesting if you weren't).
I use 3D micro fibre wash, its excellent and great value, at least here in Canada..
I'd not heard about that one - 3D have a lot of good products so I'm not surprised it's got a good wash!
Occasionally i will just jet wash a car and do nothing else (live in very soft water area), likely scenarios are car already detailed and dust particles from local farms on car or mud on lanes from tractors, or during winter and it's so cold and windy etc. Anyway this is a rough and easy way to improve the look in a safe way. Have you tested this GT product by say spraying on and jet washing of comparing results to just a jet wash. Trying to find a reason that one of these products might have a use for me as i'm not sure i'm ready for rinseless over conventional washing methods at the moment.
Ps i love your non standard use of Sigma, so many times i would love to use up some old V1 & V2 but don't because of weather conditions and always seem to revert back to Wet Coat. Must try this out - cheers.
If I had soft water I'd do the same as you too I think, although a spray down with something first to help encapsulate the dirt a bit. To which end I will do a test with the GT Rinseless Vs Feynlab Pure Rinseless and then perhaps something like GT foam or Touch-Less, just to compare how much of a difference they make.
@@SuperchargedLlama Fantastic, thanks for the reply. I look forwards to you doing this test. Yes your right re prewash, IK sprayers with something like Tochless are brilliant in these scenarios. Best wishes.
Interesting video, it looks a really good rinseless, I think like you say garage therapy are missing a trick by not saying on their labelling that it can be used for vehicle interiors, as most other brands do recommend rinseless for interiors!
Yeah it's interesting that it follows the Feynlab approach rather than the ONR one when it comes to that sort of thing, even though it's better than ONR at all of the things it does from interior detailing point of view.
Hello, we do actually state it can be used on the interior and exterior. We also state its compatibility on almost all surfaces on the label too. 🙂
Had to have the volume up very loud. Was your mic working?
It was, but apparently I didn't boost the volume enough during the edit, I must have had my speakers turned up and not realised, apologies for that.
Fantastic Son I’ve not cracked the lid off mine yet looks very impressive 👍🏻
It certainly is dad; even if you just used it as an interior maintenance cleaner you'd be getting good mileage from it (because not everyone is down for a rinseless wash - good alternative use for them is treating them like a regular shampoo, they just don't waterspot much at all!).
@@SuperchargedLlama I suspect the mild acidity helps, along with the lack of water having a chance to dry. 👨🏼🔬
How does sigma v3 compare to v1, ive just finished v1 which ive had for donkeys (too many products) also want to explore rinseless which i may try GT version now I came across this review.
It's lasting really well, i think it's 16 weeks on my car and whilst the bottom of the doors are fading, the top of the door line up is still grand! Which, when wet applied, is pretty good I'd say.
@@SuperchargedLlama sounds promising then. I dont think they was anything wrong with v1 either, if its better though then its all good 👍🏻 thanks
@@liamneale1831 yeah I think it was more a correction for V2, which has greater durability than V1, but was but grabby when buffing. This doesn't have that issue at all .
Garage Therapy is always top draw.. Im going back to their car shampoo after deflecting to GSF for a while.. Have you tried their Shampoo v3? whats it like etc..
I've not tried V3, but V2 is mega, much nicer than gsf as a shampoo that's for sure. I'm loathed to say it's "better" because it's subjective when it comes to pH neutral stuff.
@@SuperchargedLlama Ok nice man, excited to try it... Getting a new car delivered next week which will be ceramic coated.. looking for that perfect shampoo for the weekly wash.
@@RossT551 This would definitely be suitable! Just don't skimp on the pre-wash process in the winter periods, even if you're just pre-soaking with Rinseless and blasting off......although....that would be a good video to make!
@@SuperchargedLlama Always prewash with Touchless Bilt Hamber. A lot of the American "soaps", like DIY Detail and Clean by Pan, they use their ordinary shampoo as prewash, then recoat the car and do a normal wash.. I'm hoping Garage Therapy has the cleaning ability to do the same so I can cut out the Touchless.
@@RossT551 whilst I'll do a test, I am pretty confident that, when really dirty, it won't be anywhere near as effective as Touch-Less or GT Snow.
Nice video man, it looks like a good product. I think forensics is doing his shootout currently, I did ask him about the lack of GT, seems they are still blacklisted which is a shame as it would have been good to see where it would line up. I'd hoped after time they might appear on his channel again but it seems not.
Annoyingly(?), I have 5L of rinseless by Bouncers to use up which will take me an absolute age but after that I'll probably try GT. I've only done one rinseless wash so far but it was good, need to do more. Reason for going Bouncers was small company, british, formulated and made in house. GT fits that bill apart from them making their own stuff I think (unless that's since changed) so it ticks my boxes.
The way you approached this Mini. What would have happened if you pre-sprayed with rinseless, let it sit and then went in with the sponge? Is it not strong enough to do that? Scenario would be I'm doing a rinseless so want the ease of not pulling out the PW and connecting it all up etc. Is that outside the realms of what the rinseless can do?
I'll look into the rinseless sponges again, I think you commented on my post on DW yesterday about the aliexpress ones ;) (even though it was about autofoam vs touchless ha!). I wondered if the sponge material would be the same as the genuine ones, as the prices are quite frankly ridiculous and don't want to be spending that on a sponge...! For now I'll just use my regular microfibre wash pad/mitt.
One for GT : maybe you can get them to put it in the feynlab style bottle for easier measurement?
Finally, did you ever get more time with the DA9 to make a video on it? Starting to look at getting my first polisher.
Look forward to the next vid, thanks
I didn't know that GT was sort of blacklisted on forensic, but I did wonder why it was missing. What happened there?
You've asked a good question with regards to just using Rinseless to clean that mini. You definitely could have, but the risk of marring would have been significantly higher, so it wouldn't have been a safe wash. If it had just been cleaned the week before then yeah sure (and it hadn't gotten super muddy or anything). With super dirty things I think you'd be double washing too, but being realistic, yes it's probably outside of what a Rinseless could do safely, regardless of that video that TRC did with ONR.
On the topic of sponges, I was really tempted myself to get one those Ali express sponges to check. I think I might still do it tbh because £30 for a sponge IS stupid.
@@SuperchargedLlamaUnfortunately so. I don't have all the details but it was all related to that snow foam video and the fallout afterwards I believe, he was really not pleased with GT but not sure exactly why. I think in one of his unofficial videos after he said he won't be reviewing them anymore as he really didn't like their response in the comments but I can see it now and seems civil to me 🤷♂. I thought it might be temporary but its still in effect, notice how there hasn't been any GT products on his channel for a long time? Because of that. A shame as he does the big comparison tests.
I know of the TRC video you mention, I watched it and I really hate how they don't tell the whole story so much of the time as it misleads me into thinking it can do a lot more than reality. Ok, so there is a limit then that I need to be careful of. So, in the winter I should definitely make use of a pre-wash step and in the summer a pre-soak should be sufficient? Is it possible to use rinseless but not use a pressure washer in the winter, how would you tackle that?
@@AM4N18Thank you. Our responses are always professional and are committed to produce the very best products we can for our customers.
@@GarageTherapyOfficial Wasn't disputing that!
I was/am only watching it all unfold from the outside so you'll know the real reason why it's got to this stage and why it's led to your stuff still being banned...
I'm fairly new to detailing so colour me dumb, but what on earth is the problem that this product is trying to fix as it's being used here?🤷♂
That's a good question! If you're going down the prewash route, why not just use a shampoo? I guess the answer is speed and a water saving, that's my take on it. Over to Adrian, for the proper answer 😅
Yes I can see how I've potentially confused matters here. Fundamentally I'd say Rinseless wash is best used in the summer when you're cleaning a lightly dusty car (it's a popular method in the US). In this scenario you'd spray on (from the pump sprayer) the Rinseless wash, and then take your sponge/mitt from the bucket of Rinseless and clean the panel, then you'd dry it with a QD as the drying aid. So you could wash a lightly dirty car with about 20L of water...as opposed to 200L or something when you're doing a full car with pre-wash foam + rinse + shampoo + rinse. And it does it safely too, much safer than just spraying a QD on and wiping the dust away. (When I say "safer", I mean there's less chance of scratching the paint).
In the scenario I've demonstrated in this video then it's really about using less water I guess, but the car was too dirty to safely Rinseless wash, so I needed to pre-wash it.
Garage Therapy is not available in the United States. Would like to give it a try.
They've got plans to be I believe! But for now I'd stick to Feynlab it I were you.
I probably have nearly every Rinseless wash except Apex my top 5 are Angle Wax H2NO , Feynlab V3 , Ethos , Labocosmetica Idrosave , Geyon just putting them in the Pot if anyone is interested as for washing towel best is Yumcars Wash MF bit more expensive then your others on Market but you get what you pay for 🤓
That reminds me, I've used the YUM detergent too, the Malco is equal to that but a lot LOT cheaper 👍
You're clearly very experienced with Rinseless, which is great. I'd say that the GT is definitely equal to Feynlab, so if you're looking to try a new one when one of them runs out, I'd say that's what you could expect from it.
The Apex one would be good. You would experience 'No. Dusting. Whatsoever!"
Hey keep up the good work
I'll do my best. Thank you for the encouragement 😘
Interesting vid 👍🏻
Volume on the audio is quite low.
Apologies, it sounded alright to me but I'll make sure the levels are higher next time round 👍
@@SuperchargedLlama Thanks. Something odd with RUclips, when I replayed a few days later the sound is ok. Sorry.
@@roger4880 it does seem quiet to me as well, I'm still learning with the new editor I've switched to and it's actually make me realise there's a lot more I can do to improve the sound quality and loudness.
Nice considerate neighbour 😂
She is. It must be quite odd from their perspective to have a neighbour out there talking to themselves all the time 😂
Evening buddy
Darling! How were the dolphins? As slippery as this?
@@SuperchargedLlama absolutely brilliant
@@SuperchargedLlama lots of sick bags required for many of the youngsters on board