Those shares come out of thin air and are paid for by the shareholders perception of what Tesla is worth. When Musk chooses to sell his paper, it will drive down share price disproportionately. Shareholders had to pay real money into those shares. Musk converts Tesla paper into real money. Shareholders ultimately pay Musk's compensation pack, not Tesla.
@@armmuse1692 IMO it was a fraudulent deal by a conflicted board, brother included. He sure as he** didnt earn $54B. Elon never admits his miatakes. I suspect him sleeping on the factory floor had much to do with his bullheaded insistence to roboticize evrything from the start, resulting in a screwed up factory.
@@armmuse1692 You cant make a profit without purchasing the shares. You can also lose much of what you purchased because of Elon selling billions of dollars of his shares and taking the cash.
This is stupid. If you're a real shareholder, you want tesla shares to go up. If you think it is fair to take away Elon's pay that was previously agreed to AND resulted in 10xing your investment after the fact, then why don't you should sell your shares at the 2018 price? I think we can all agree that if Elon doesn't get his shares reinstated, the market will react negatively to the news and your investment will go down.
If I sold my Tesla shares at the 2018 price, I'd be ahead by far. Firstly I'd have far more shares and secondly they wouldn't be devalued like they are now.
"REAL" shareholder? what does that mean exactly? There are shareholders with millions invested that don't want to give him the pay deal. Are they "FAKE"?
It doesn't take a great salesperson to sell a product or service to complete fools. Otherwise, plumbers and HVAC repairmen would be some of the best on the planet. Sales is a skill. He tricked.
@@P2B_JC apples and oranges comparison. Plumber and hvac repairman are providing a tactical service to complement a product. For example is you buy a car it’s would only make since to have a car maintenance shop. Some of the stuff Elon is talking about is not calling Tesla a car company even though its bed rock product is cars.
what is the bs? how is he a salesman if he spend nothing on marketing advertising for tesla and cutoff from advertisers in X/ Twitter? am not trying to fight, am sincerely trying to understand why people seem to hate him. looking forward to the resposne
@@thepoetrybender wasnt a quewstion but a statement. If your job is being CEO of a company and you spend only 5% of your time working as CEO than thats a crime. Musk has responsibility as a Ceo of a public traded company and that is the law of the land.
@@thepoetrybender Musk stated himself that he only works 5% of his time at tesla. Wich is an admition of guilt. If someone brings a lawsuit against Musk and the Tesla board than its not going to end well. You know you dont get 200 billion for doing nothing.
This is bigger than bad earnings if your holding shares starting tomorrow is like holding a time boom in my opinion if see start to see a big move down tomorrow get rid of them and buy back after you see what happens with the package
This guy is putting pension fund in high risk if Tesla stock fall in values. He can say whatever he wants because It is not his own investment money anyway.
Current vote tally has the majority of shareholders being against his pay package. Including all the major independent holders. Also the judge wasn't corrupt, that case was a clear violation of fiduciary duty under Delaware law.
Its really interesting when mediocre, bureaucrats and ,"commentators", opine on someone who is demonstrably an order of magnitude more capable. If you dont like him, dont buy the stock. Is that too complicated to understand? Worse, this is an example of how debased our society has become.
I think he is a super CEO. He does it all by himself and even take unpopular decisions. The board is not independent because Musk has majority shareholding.
More than all the profit the company has ever made? After selling billions in Tesla stock to buy Twitter, he doesn't have as many shares as he would like. A board that lacks independence might vote him out. So, now he wants another pay package of similar size under threat of taking AI - that's used to justify Tesla's valuation - away. Are you going to bend over for that, too?
@@gerritjanboeve Yes he could He's the largest shareholder. He controls spaceX. He doesn't just own 80% of spaceX dual class stock he can control their balance sheet You see he could merge with spacex. Buy it outright or roll shares privately and not buy anything He could be outside not the CEO and absolutely do this Do not underestimate
I heard him in an AI talk he was concerned about political correctness in AI. He didn’t discuss his concern with racial bias and racism, and promoting hate through AI. His concern discussed was political correctness. Maybe he is distracted by his fear of political correctness. Idk much about him.
What I heard was not Elon’s concern with political correctness, but teaching AI the truth, and the dangers in teaching AI anything other than the truth. Political correctness is often a biased lie, this Elon wants to avoid.
@@woodyouwoodyou yes political correctness can sometimes be a lie, but so much more often so can. Racism and hate. I just find it odd he’s only verbalizing concerned for one and not the other, the actual most prolific of political lies.
You should know when Elon bought twitter, he cares more about twitter than Tesla as he abandoned Tesla to be the Twitter CEO sleep on the floor of Twitter, he then stole Tesla Engineers and Technicians employee to work on Tweeter. Elon Musk did involve some of his trusted Tesla employees during his acquisition of Twitter. More than 50 Tesla workers, primarily software engineers from the Autopilot team, joined him in this endeavor. No wonder FSD is so behind! Ever since after he bought Twitter Tesla began to fall and continue to fall because of Elon spend most of his time tweeting on X! We will all find out that Elon may be the greatest con artist of this era.
I follow yahoo finance for a while, I have never heard anything positive about Tesla from them. The company must suck big time. Thank God, I did not invest money from the beginning.
follow other news sources than one. understand why Tesla sucks, don't be satisfied with simply assuming based on what one source has said. You must try to understand why and weigh if that's a good reason
@@ABB14-11 tesla sucks? How? From what I gathered, their EV’s are better than most other EV’s. EV demands in the US, however, are lower now. Grid Energy storage business is growing almost double every year, and projected to be larger than their EV business. What other sources can you recommend? Major news media saying the same things. Must be some truth to it, that is why the stock is so low.
@@ericogden4589 No he did not, he funded it after it's formation. Just like he didn't found tesla. Though unlike tesla altman wouldn't let him take over. Which is why musk threw a tantrum.
@@ericogden4589 He was not a founder of OpenAI. He invested into the company well after the fact. However he did pitch a absolute fit when the board refused to allow Elon to take over the company and slap his name on it (you know like that other company he wasn't a founder of, Tesla).
those banks have short positions just saying.
I missed that. 🧐🤣
Have to make their money back somehow.
How much volume are they shorting?
He is a mess.
What did you expect? His "120 hour work week" consists of non-stop tweeting, video games and snorting ketemine.
If it weren't for Elon , I wouldn't buy Tesla stocks . And I vote FOR him getting compensation package .
Those shares come out of thin air and are paid for by the shareholders perception of what Tesla is worth. When Musk chooses to sell his paper, it will drive down share price disproportionately. Shareholders had to pay real money into those shares. Musk converts Tesla paper into real money. Shareholders ultimately pay Musk's compensation pack, not Tesla.
@@ricknash3055 I make profit and do nothing for it . All the hard work does Elon . A deal's a deal , so he has to get his money .
@@armmuse1692
IMO it was a fraudulent deal by a conflicted board, brother included. He sure as he** didnt earn $54B. Elon never admits his miatakes. I suspect him sleeping on the factory floor had much to do with his bullheaded insistence to roboticize evrything from the start, resulting in a screwed up factory.
@@armmuse1692 You cant make a profit without purchasing the shares. You can also lose much of what you purchased because of Elon selling billions of dollars of his shares and taking the cash.
@@ricknash3055 That's irrelevant . The work is done , he has to get paid . I vote willingly voluntarily for compensation package to be reinstated .
This is stupid. If you're a real shareholder, you want tesla shares to go up. If you think it is fair to take away Elon's pay that was previously agreed to AND resulted in 10xing your investment after the fact, then why don't you should sell your shares at the 2018 price? I think we can all agree that if Elon doesn't get his shares reinstated, the market will react negatively to the news and your investment will go down.
If I sold my Tesla shares at the 2018 price, I'd be ahead by far. Firstly I'd have far more shares and secondly they wouldn't be devalued like they are now.
tesla has been the worst preforming company on snp500 that says it all. musk is rarley working at his job as ceo at tesla
@@Ravenought69 tesla added 700B in market cap since the agreement was made. They went form -2B in profit to 15B. The rest your argument is moot.
"REAL" shareholder? what does that mean exactly? There are shareholders with millions invested that don't want to give him the pay deal. Are they "FAKE"?
@@changalbert Well none of this means anything now. The vote is happening now whether you like it or not.
What is incredible is how much people still buys his b.s. He has to be one of the greatest salesmen in recent history.
It doesn't take a great salesperson to sell a product or service to complete fools. Otherwise, plumbers and HVAC repairmen would be some of the best on the planet.
Sales is a skill. He tricked.
@@P2B_JC apples and oranges comparison. Plumber and hvac repairman are providing a tactical service to complement a product. For example is you buy a car it’s would only make since to have a car maintenance shop. Some of the stuff Elon is talking about is not calling Tesla a car company even though its bed rock product is cars.
what is the bs? how is he a salesman if he spend nothing on marketing advertising for tesla and cutoff from advertisers in X/ Twitter? am not trying to fight, am sincerely trying to understand why people seem to hate him. looking forward to the resposne
He is good at leveraging government monies. Those China made Teslas are sold throughout the world including Canada
Sounds like dangerous extremism.
Accused? Is being unfocused a crime? One gets accused of theft, assault. Being accused of being unfocused is a juvenile accusation. Smh
its a crime if you get paid 200 billion to do A JOB AS CEO OF A COMPANY AND DONT WORK THERE
@@Ravenought69 Your question makes no sense at all!
@@thepoetrybender wasnt a quewstion but a statement. If your job is being CEO of a company and you spend only 5% of your time working as CEO than thats a crime. Musk has responsibility as a Ceo of a public traded company and that is the law of the land.
@@Ravenought69 well, in that case, it’s a non sequitur.
@@thepoetrybender Musk stated himself that he only works 5% of his time at tesla. Wich is an admition of guilt. If someone brings a lawsuit against Musk and the Tesla board than its not going to end well. You know you dont get 200 billion for doing nothing.
A news provider being real about Musk? Subscribed
Don’t like how he think of democracy, why should I buy, his products.
This is bigger than bad earnings if your holding shares starting tomorrow is like holding a time boom in my opinion if see start to see a big move down tomorrow get rid of them and buy back after you see what happens with the package
Yes , all those who Believe in Tesla encourage him to focus on one thing .....The battle of intelligence .......
My top picks for bull run are DOT, FIL, and SOL. And best ICO to invest is Revux, huge potential.
Short seller
This guy is putting pension fund in high risk if Tesla stock fall in values. He can say whatever he wants because It is not his own investment money anyway.
Definitely prefer a ceo that is focused on Tesla and only Tesla.
If that man is unfocused what am I then?
His lack of focus has no impact on you, unless you’re a shareholder of TSLA. ✌🏼🤣👍🏼
he spent 40bln on Twitter, only to lose money on the deail and also waste his time. He's basically asking for 55bln just to make up for that mistake
Stupid dachshund sandwich I assume?
@briantep458 You are as sharp as a marble, kid!
Is that the same 9 share shareholder that sued him and the corrupt Delaware judge granted an "win"?
Current vote tally has the majority of shareholders being against his pay package. Including all the major independent holders. Also the judge wasn't corrupt, that case was a clear violation of fiduciary duty under Delaware law.
Stop complaining and grow a few pairs. Shareholders have the power to remove space karen. Just do that.
GFY
Another blah blah blah blah blah blah blah shareholder he is worried about his pocket
Bullshit
Clearing out all my Alts going into BTC and Revux only, maybe a little BNB and SOL
Elon musk is currently in a battle of intelligence....He might seem a little preoccupied by using all of his brain power(neuralink).... smiling
Capital FUD Fud and a healthy helping of BS 😭🤢
NYC contoller, give back all the billions you made on Tesla in the past 6 years. You are a weazel reneging on a contract.
Musk’s recent behavior is textbook addict. People who care about him need to schedule an intervention
He is busy posting memes I pulled out last year
I agree he needs to fix Tesla like adding some solar panels on the cars 🚗
Its really interesting when mediocre, bureaucrats and ,"commentators", opine on someone who is demonstrably an order of magnitude more capable. If you dont like him, dont buy the stock. Is that too complicated to understand? Worse, this is an example of how debased our society has become.
He’s untouchable $
A lot of people seem to be suffering from “Elon man bad syndrome” these days.
It is shameful to keep on interviewing and talk down the stock
I think he is a super CEO. He does it all by himself and even take unpopular decisions. The board is not independent because Musk has majority shareholding.
Dude, you need to get Revux NOW!
Do you think Revux will pump before XRP?
Any other person doing what Musk sells would be in jail for scammer
I mean.... Uh polytopia is more important...
Elon sleep in the factory. That is focus
Fire the CEO
Shareholders is unfocused not musk. They should have dump the stock when growth slowed if the shareholders had focus on the stock to begin with.
There is no one I know more focused then Elon Musk. U shareholders should be humble to have him
He is a short seller.
He must be paid. He will be paid.
More than all the profit the company has ever made? After selling billions in Tesla stock to buy Twitter, he doesn't have as many shares as he would like. A board that lacks independence might vote him out. So, now he wants another pay package of similar size under threat of taking AI - that's used to justify Tesla's valuation - away. Are you going to bend over for that, too?
@@georgedurrant1766it's not cash it's $5.9 billion
Current shareholder vote tally says otherwise.
He lost me at Trump
Revux keeps popping up in my crypto circles. Seems like a rising star!
The bastard wants to have the stock go down so he and others can buy more at a lower price. That’s all this is about.
Musk is pulling a reverse golden parachute
This guy doesn't understand FSD and how it will propel Tesla to higher profitability than just selling evs.. he is blind as shi$!
the take rate on FSD is 2%
Negative. You are incorrect. Don't repeat this false narrative just because you hear something. Lol
Around 6% i belive, still very low
FSD is not for the régulariser joe yet
@@Benjamin_Monnoyeur more than that
Herbert Diess for CEO💪
His pay will be meaningless and he is going to focus more on the company 🤷♂️
Well to those who believe that is not focused on Tesla, probably should work towards removing him from Tesla. Then see where Tesla goes
A realistic valuation below $50
@@gerritjanboevethen he could buy it lmao
@@TheMagicJIZZ he can not.
@@gerritjanboeve Yes he could
He's the largest shareholder. He controls spaceX. He doesn't just own 80% of spaceX dual class stock he can control their balance sheet
You see he could merge with spacex. Buy it outright or roll shares privately and not buy anything
He could be outside not the CEO and absolutely do this
Do not underestimate
@@TheMagicJIZZ You really don't understand how this works huh.
it is enough to see tesla once a quarter for him and be 100 times more profitable/productive than nightmarabara for her company.
wow, a Tesla hit piece after one day of subscribing. unsubbing.
"Out of the blue", "55b payday". You really don't know shet
@@valleyofiron125$5.9 billion actually it just went up on value.. because of..him
@@valleyofiron125Then u gotta be one of those crazy liberals
You mean he is "apolitical" and not influenced by deviant cultist philosophy?
Greed, they already have the ROI and yet they want more.
This is just another step toward Teslas bankruptcy in 5-10 years.
Fingers crossed
@@P2B_JC140,000 people lose their jobs?
25,000 in California is the only car factory ?
30,000 in Texas?
You support that you're evil
@@P2B_JC GFY
I will vote against Musk pay package
I heard him in an AI talk he was concerned about political correctness in AI. He didn’t discuss his concern with racial bias and racism, and promoting hate through AI. His concern discussed was political correctness. Maybe he is distracted by his fear of political correctness. Idk much about him.
That is only because you are left wing.
What I heard was not Elon’s concern with political correctness, but teaching AI the truth, and the dangers in teaching AI anything other than the truth. Political correctness is often a biased lie, this Elon wants to avoid.
@@woodyouwoodyou yes political correctness can sometimes be a lie, but so much more often so can. Racism and hate. I just find it odd he’s only verbalizing concerned for one and not the other, the actual most prolific of political lies.
You should know when Elon bought twitter, he cares more about twitter than Tesla as he abandoned Tesla to be the Twitter CEO sleep on the floor of Twitter, he then stole Tesla Engineers and Technicians employee to work on Tweeter. Elon Musk did involve some of his trusted Tesla employees during his acquisition of Twitter. More than 50 Tesla workers, primarily software engineers from the Autopilot team, joined him in this endeavor. No wonder FSD is so behind! Ever since after he bought Twitter Tesla began to fall and continue to fall because of Elon spend most of his time tweeting on X! We will all find out that Elon may be the greatest con artist of this era.
I follow yahoo finance for a while, I have never heard anything positive about Tesla from them. The company must suck big time. Thank God, I did not invest money from the beginning.
follow other news sources than one. understand why Tesla sucks, don't be satisfied with simply assuming based on what one source has said. You must try to understand why and weigh if that's a good reason
@@ABB14-11 tesla sucks? How? From what I gathered, their EV’s are better than most other EV’s. EV demands in the US, however, are lower now. Grid Energy storage business is growing almost double every year, and projected to be larger than their EV business. What other sources can you recommend? Major news media saying the same things. Must be some truth to it, that is why the stock is so low.
"His AI initiatives" you mean grok which is literally using chatgpt's code? Ha..... Nah no matter what you do musk is gonna dump his position and run.
He Founded OpenAI.
@@ericogden4589 No he did not, he funded it after it's formation. Just like he didn't found tesla. Though unlike tesla altman wouldn't let him take over. Which is why musk threw a tantrum.
@@ericogden4589 He was not a founder of OpenAI. He invested into the company well after the fact. However he did pitch a absolute fit when the board refused to allow Elon to take over the company and slap his name on it (you know like that other company he wasn't a founder of, Tesla).
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He needs to give up charge
5.9m people applied for jobs @ tesla in 2023. “Let that SINK in”!
❤ Elons a king