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So good to hear that others have had these experiences. I wish I had this information during my crisis. It's so horrible to be alone and have others totally freak out. Peace be with you
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Schizophrenia doesn’t exist because reality is not permanent, it is different for every person here on earth. Noone knows the true nature of reality. But it is dependent on beliefs, language, life experience e.t.c. Remember to find your own interpretation of what has happened to you so that you can grow and become stronger from it. Like you are doing here. Remember to be patient because it does take time. You are NOT broken x
@@danwiller A year late. But that sure is, i believe reality is built on Subjective idealism. That everything we perceive comes within the mind, without perceiving there isn't a reality.
So glad to have found this! I went through a terrifying experience after having a ceremony with a shaman in Indonesia. I asked via a translator to have my spiritual eyes opened. Well I got what I asked for! Too much to tell but I was spiritually and mentally torn apart. Despite displaying most symptoms of schizophrenia (thankfully I didn't seek medical help) I continued a "normal" life and no one saw me as any different. It took a about 18 months but I came out (via dreams, reading Jung etc) literally born again, cleared of life's traumas that had stopped me from being the person I was born to be.
Incredible story. What a learning journey. It's still a slog with psychedelic challenges thrown in, yet the evidence in psilocybin therapy so far, points towards a desire to live again as a treatment for resistant depression. Yours is a story that shows guidance through processing and integration will make for a gentler transition.
I must add previous to this experience (quite a time before) I had taken a large dose of DMT which rocked my reality but the shamanic experience was without drugs. I think this made the experience more intense as I actually thought despite having to ride motorbikes way up into the jungle into a village that could have been a thousand years ago, it was just for tourists... When the young woman (not called a shaman but Dukun) turned into an ancient hag muttering in the old Batak language only her husband knew who translated to my translater, right in front of my eyes that I realised this was real and what I had asked for out of the ceremony was foolish and arrogant in the extreme. Suffice to say I paid my dues and learned to stop jumping in rashly and worrying about the consequences later.
Yes Scott I wrote it all down mainly for my children/grand children to read so they may understand the power in confronting the shadow side of our personalities. As far as others reading it, actually recently I have been motivated to compile the experience (once again). I guess I've moved so far from that time that the passion for writing it has become more of a chore. Thank you for taking the time to respond....
Exactly the topic we need right now! Watch us find our next evolutionary step as our consciousness expands back to what it used to be. Life is going to be awesome! ♥
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Having myself experienced a wide spectrum of spiritual emergency and mystical revelations from adolescence and through decades beyond, I have been able to help and continue to help many people navigate and evolve in the process of awakening to our Eternal Identity, a process we are all doing, all the time. Jules Evans beautifully and humbly expressed his experience and ongoing understanding of this "journey without distance". Thank you, Jules. I would like to share that when opening oneself to the transcendent, whether voluntarily, involuntarily, drug-induced or grace-induced, imho the most critical need one has is a Guide, Guru, Master, either in human body or ascended, and a community of human companions who are familiar with these phases. To be alone, isolated and not understood is both cause and effect of a spiritual emergency without this support. Raising awareness and offering support is a most loving function and service.
Thank you for shedding light on these very important subjects that our culture don’t want to deal with and they end up getting shoved aside because they’re too scary. Spiritual emergency is very real and I’ve been and still going through it many years after it started, and luckily I have found good guides and wisdom along the way to help me cope and integrate. My cousin went through an extreme case of this emergency and eventually his doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia and he ended up taking his own life because he couldn’t handle it anymore. I hope that our culture and world will start looking at these issues more openly and non-judgmentally like the Rebel Wisdom channel.
Oh my God, I'm so sorry for the loss of your cousin... This is so sad to hear. Also for the hard times that you've been and are still going through (if you still are). I'm glad to hear that you've found guides who are helpful to you. I totally agree with what you've said, it's so important...I'm glad that there are people out there who talk about it here on RUclips like in this helpful video, it's a start. I'm wishing you good luck and strenght!
Whether or not this presentation is any kind of accurate representation or clear commentary on the numinous, I felt it an earnest one. We need more and more people at the forefront who are prepared to provide first aid to people in the shock of "waking up" at whatever level it may be. I believe this is an evolutionary step, and unfortunately due to our history, it is a journey fraught with danger. But I cannot deny that we are in the throes of en evolutionary breakdown. I have had a few of these experiences, and luckily, I had the luxury of time to allow for the deconstruction of certain egoic patterns to be observed and integrated from somewhat of a "witnessing" stemming from meditation. My saving grace was a simple two word command given to me by my guru at the time, " SUSPEND INTERPRETATION." To this day, I fail to find a working explanation for my experiences. I simply focus on the evolving compassionate attitude I have for the construct termed "I" that navigates my life. But the older I get, the easier it seems to shy away from the unhinged sensations and emotions that naturally arise when these things come up. For many, that is not a choice. For me, I have the privilege of feeling safe from these states. At least for now.
‘Difficult situations can be both painful and beautiful’. A lovely way to end, and reminds me of Kahlil Gibran’s Joy and Sorrow. Thank you, such an informed talk, it’s good to have a channel where curious and informed minds (true experts) are given a voice.
David, I am so grateful to you and your team (and to Jules in this case - I also read the book Breaking Open) - for all of the material you are releasing on this topic. I also experienced a breaking open during an ayahuasca ceremony 7 years ago, it wasn't the first time I had had an experience but this literally blew me out of my body - well it seemingly was a kundalini awakening - the years that followed my reality totally shifted and it was traumatic a lot of the time - I was lost and confused, although at the time I felt like I was living in the 'real' world I was totally disconnected. There was no handbook to guide me at all. It was so difficult to find people to relate to - I didn't really know what was happening to me. It has taken a long time to come back down to earth and begin living in the world again - and that in itself was a journey of processing and re-integration and still continues. What seems to be unfolding is living life in a completely new way, as in being reborn. Unfortunately I wasn't really surrounded by people who understood, I was travelling and bouncing from place to place in and out of communities with people who were probably just as lost as me (many of whom I imagine still are !). Trying to figure out what happened and piece it all together has been so much easier thanks to you introducing people such as Stan Grof and Jules here and the many others I have begun to read and follow. The awakening processes is not pretty and can be challening and I have found there to be many layers of healing that one needs to address, from many different modalities before we can really claim to be sovereign and fully healed and integrated humans in the world. Just a note also, that I also could not read many books or watch movies - I could however watch teachers such as Mooji and connect with books by Adyashanti and anything which transmitted 'spiritual' teachings.
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I had this life changing out of body experience which was triggered by a certain tone of background piano music while playing around on the silkweave website, when certain pattern seemed to sync with a certain melodic progression which triggered a sudden remembering of floating through deep space without a body, triggering what I can only describe as sudden 360 degree explosion of my normal static awareness and sense of self, where the "bottom fell out" so to speak, and surreal and non ego state types of unconditional understanding, love, reverence, appreciation, and acceptance towards every moment of my life, all the actions of others, and the natural world itself. Like a loving creating state, where I operated in an open, enthusiastic, authentic manner, not from ego or thought or reaction, but from a place of knowing, causing me to immediately quit smoking cigarettes the second it happened, with zero withdrawal symptoms. It the supernatural qualities to it faded for 3 days, after which my normal ego and focal point of engaging with the world gradually took hold again. It was like a thick fog returning into my mind and disorienting me and making me forget the connection to intuitive knowing as a way of being, rather than thinking and ego and clutching to old known reactions.
There are means which to return. I can speak of what process I have pursued. My experience was similar, yet personal. Two days ago I accomplished lucid dreaming and chose to meditate in the dream. The only word that approaches describing it is Infinity. May I suggest you look into the Solfeggio frequencies as you mentioned music as the catalyst.
@@MrSears_1.618 As I noticed the effects withdrawing, I accepted that if this was my destiny, I was to let it be as it is, even if it faded completely, even if it was to convince and reaffirm my spiritual development, even if people all over the world were going to enter into the same state and usher in some kind of global paradigm shift, or even if I were to discover a way to build a stable bridge to that same divine place of being through my normal baseline state with years of dedicated practice and trials. Im familiar with the solfeggio frequencies but haven't felt much connection specifically with them. Maybe in future practices and exploration they will become more central. Many thanks.
@@Danny-qt5vt very possible, it was a kundalini like euphoric and electrifying sensation starting at the base of my spine with jarring speed up to my head where it then exploded or rapidly expanded in all directions with this visionary dissociative gaze where the floating through deep space was actually real and visible almost more tangibly than my surroundings, and the experience of awareness at the cellular and atomic level, as well as the macrocosm of entire celestial systems took place, before the profound nature of it clicked and I came out of it with these extremely heightened sensations and a feeling like i had been reborn or had been asleep or dormant for thousands of years, and like another entity far beyond me, awoke through me. Dmt had been used explicitly 2 weeks prior btw.
Thank you, at last something that sounds like an experience I had in the 1960s. Was it a Spiritual Emergency or happening, or Psychosis. Something I have asked myself a million times over the years. It never been able to resolve it and blame myself. Yet it changed my ideas about life. Most people said it was psychosis, I am not so sure.
Hello Rebel Wisdom, That’s great to see there is more awareness being brought to the topic of spiritual emergency in recent years. It is also quite interesting to learn about all those historical cases, yet one thing is to discuss and analyze it from historical perspective and another is to work in the field with those who are going through it. One teacher, named Igor Kufayev has been doing both, working hands-on with the actual cases as well as bringing greater awareness of psychologists and psychiatrists towards the urgent need to re-evaluate our understanding of what spiritual emergency represents...
That makes sense now I think about it. To be “well adjusted “ to a seemingly daily shift in reality/normal civic life by definition would mean someone would be dissociative or schizophrenic in a way I can relate to what you said. March/april definitely feels unlike any reality I’ve seen experienced before sober.
@@theseasnakewhisperer8649 I can't even imagine...we are def still lucky compared to then...its just the first time I'm experiencing stuff like this....my soul feels heavy af 😪
Keenan Smith you will survive this, and come out of it stronger for the experience. You’ll look back and be grateful that you experienced a hardship that helped fortify your character. Stay strong brother.
My politically-influenced spiritual and existential crisis occurred after the 2016 US election. I know firsthand how vulnerable a person is when they’re in that sort of state (and I feel less crazy after listening to this, lol). This is really useful material, thank you
Absolutely!!! Going to the Galapagos Islands is like being in a different universe every day as you go to each different island. Even more so after some intense Ayahuasca experiences. 💚🌿💚
Yes, good. We are certainly in a spiritual (and physical) emergency as never before. My only real outlet is communicating through writing so although I’ve been avoiding it for a lifetime, the time had come for our children,grandchildren and everyone in this planet. The wisdom of ancestral humans is obviously urgent here. I’m not even equipped to accomplish this only a lot of life experience. Overcoming self doubt will be major. It helps to encounter people like you even if it is on RUclips Lol! There are very few reliable forums remained. Thank you.
:))) You can't have just a one directional spiritual experience because that is how the world is made, you can't see light without knowing darkness as simple as that.
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@@JulesEvans I based my rather brief comment on the content of the video rather than the title. Steiner mapped out a method for avoiding the "emergency" aspect. By following this method of personal development one encounters spiritual awakening in a measured way according to one's stage of development. Nothing is forced. The book that maps out this path is called "How to know higher words" and can be found here: www.amazon.co.uk/How-Know-Higher-Worlds-Anthroposophy-ebook/dp/B0029XFF6U#:~:text=Published%20in%201904%20(CW%2010),-This%20is%20the&text=illumination%2C%20and%20initiation.-,Steiner%20provides%20practical%20exercises%20of%20inner%20and%20outer%20observation%20and,thus%20far%20concealed%20from%20us. Spiritual emergencies tend to arise through crossings of the threshold unconsciously or by force. Steiner points out the dangers of this and provides a safe method.
Jules Evans also looking around Steiner’s work, he lectured on the Human Organs, and how premature release of life forces from particular organs, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, spleen, lungs, liver etc... triggered psycho spiritual experiences. This is just a tiny nut shell... see ‘Man on the Threshold’ by Bernard Lievegoed. ‘The Human Organs’ by Walter Holtzapfel. ‘Jung and Steiner, the birth of a new psychology’ by Gerard Wehr. Just a few examples. Again in a nut shell Steiner spoke about the importance of stringent internal training so that one can integrate spiritual experiences... trauma can occur, and vice versa trauma can trigger spiritual experiences.... Steiner lectured about all this... in 1920s, so pleased that you mentioned Grof’s work in ‘Spiritual Emergency’ as this resonates so deeply with Steiner’s insights.
Surely the forced effort of trying to have a spiritual experience in order to analyse, research and compare it with the experiences of others, with the preconceived purpose of writing an academic book, blocks you from just allowing the experience and experiencing your spirituality fully?
That's a valid point. I'd already had a spontaneous spiritual experience in my 20s, and was looking for how to make sense of it and repeat it. Being a writer, I wrote about this journey, and there was some analysis involved as well. I think you have to bring your reason along with you, you cant - or shouldn't - entirely ditch it. But yes, at a certain point you have to go beyond analysis.
I think to have a 100% pure ego-free experience is impossible short of a malfunctioning brain. It is just an ideal to aim towards. Noting and making conscious efforts to interpret an experience while it is happening is going to influence/inhibit it, but so does a number of other mental processes, hormone levels etc. So, you have the post-modern analysis correct. Where to from there? If we are going to understand the experience better we need people like Jules bringing back insights, to be understood probabilistically and triangulated across individuals towards general insights.
This is a time of bringing those discoveries back to ordinary reality to reassert our humanity over the State religions and tyranny. It's a collaborative and collective spiritual experience which is manifesting. It's a time of reclaiming who we really are.
Well, you can't force an esoteric experience, but you can induce one with enthogens. Analyzation is key to understanding the experience. The greater risk is reading other books and utilizing their answers rather than resolving your own questions (quest) for your self. My thought, as regards your thought, is as you say in comparing it to the experiuence of others before you have solidified the meaning of the experience in your own mind. Now I am looking to do comparisions, such as with Joseph Campbell's monomyth cycle. If I understand your question, statement trying to over analyze for academic purposes, will undercut the experience and dilute if not totally negate the psychological purpose. (maybe?)
Thank you for your insights. Your work is Edifying. Totally relate to the problem these 'emergencies' incite in the process of critical thinking. I was awaken early to the underlying reality. TheseTwo defining events from my childhood. "Mine was the first generation baby sat and raised by “T.V.”, the nick name of our favorite nanny. We would sit in rapture as she told us stories of wonder, entertaining us from the moment we woke in the morning, until we went to sleep at night. We were mesmerized, hypnotized by her comforting presence in our living rooms. The damage television does to the neuro network of children, by overstimulating the brain, was generally unknown at the time. Yet, the effect on psychological processes, at the unconscious level, was being utilized by Hollywood and investigated by the gov’t. The gov’t hoped, through television programming, to produce a patriotic mindset in an ever more discerning and disenchanted population." ******************************* ********************************* ************************************ "The sixties saw an end to a unique moment in time, as portrayed in “The Andy Griffith Show” and “Leave it to Beaver”. Back then, before seven am, television programing was dedicated to community service. I was standing in the living room, listening to my Nanny. Watching a T.V. program supposedly designed to teach people English. My Nanny asked a question in a sanguine voice. “Is it as it is”? Waking me to consciousness and the world in a most uncomfortable way. The T.V. went on quickly to assure me things were indeed as they seemed. “It is as it is”, it soothed. Too late! A seemingly simple, innocuous question, but to a child just starting to conceive reality, it was frightening. Is it as it is? Is it how it seems? How would or could I know? You cannot undo the ringing of a bell. The question had taken hold of me. How could I possibly know if anything was as it seemed? Why would or should I take comfort or believe any answer given to this troubling question? " *********************************** ************************************** *********************************** "The existential crisis is a known catalyst, key component in development of the awakened awareness. In fifth grade I was once again confronted with an existential crisis. I was reading a graphic horror story. In the story a man had a recurring dream where he dreamt he was a spider, caught in a scorpion’s claws. Eventually the story revealed the man was a spider, caught in a scorpion’s claw, dreaming he was a man, who was dreaming he was a spider. I have had bad dreams where I wished and hoped it was a dream. Sometimes it was a dream, other times it was not. The philosopher’s quandary, how do we know this world we experience is real and not a dream? We only know our dreams as dreams, after we awaken. " (Excepts from my writings) Being exposed to the concept of reality as a dream at such a young age has profound and most often catastrophic results. Look forward to following your thoughts.
sounds like you did the same trip I did. 2 weeks at Feather Crown in Ecuador, and two weeks in the Galapagos. I still have dreams and experiences relating to my Ayahuasca experiences.
Thank you so much for this video, this is so helpful and important to me! I've experienced this as well after two Ayahuasca ceremonies, it was an extreme mess for me, for two years, it ended last year around this time. I feel like I've been totally reborn which I'm so, so grateful for but I'm still left with so many questions about my mental health... In this video, there was spoken about the participants of the book, that they've allowed themselves to experience this again, if I'm not wrong? I always follow my intuition and I've been feeling like I'm supposed to experience another Ayahuasca journey. My rational mind is so afraid of this because I'm scared that this could get me into trouble. I've been trying to let go of the feeling like I should do it, but so far, it hasn't gone anywhere. Besides the fear I also feel very curious about what would happen if I would go and I also feel like I would be able to handle whatever would after all that I've experienced, I just don't know how wise it would be to put myself in the posistion again. I would really love to hear how others see this, if there are people out there who can identify with this feeling or have any idea if this is safe or something that I shouldn't even allow myself to consider. I hope that there's someone out there who would like to share their thoughts with me! Thank you for reading this if you did!
Meditated for a couple weeks 5 years ago, felt a peace I never knew I could be, it lasted for about 1 month then my life slowly began flipping upside down... I just can't be bothered to care again.
Sounds like you don't have much of a choice! You've got to work with what you have and although it's a difficult journey, please believe me when I say it's worth it. Sometimes things just don't get better on their own.
A disassociation is usually a reaction to the ego experiencing an overwhelming amount of anxiety. Reality becomes too much and so a withdrawal from the senses occurs, hence the presenter not being able to take in books and films etc. To me it sounds as though the trip was on a level traumatic, and he was unable to integrate the experience in a meaningful way, as a result he disassociated himself from reality. It is only by his experiencing of proofs of love and goodness from his friends that unconsciously he was able to reaffirm the goodness of reality, to trust it, and so begin to reintegrate his outer world with his inner. Not to take away from his experience, but he was very lucky that A) he likely already has a history of good experiences in his past in order to serve as a bulwark against the onslaught of such a psychedelic experience (whereby the user is barraged by a heap of unconscious material, unconscious because it is disagreeable to the person) and that B) he was surrounded by good people to ease him back into reality. If either of these two points were missing, there is a possibility that a person who undergoes such a trip and disassociates, they may not come back. Psychosis is a defence mechanism against the experience of pain in reality.
Interesting. I was wondering during the talk what the difference is between psychopathic and mystical/ecstatic and my answer was temporary v permanent. From what you wrote could we prevent permanent damage by changing set and settings of psychiatric treatments?
@@PhozMix Althought the believe in the term 'unearned wisdom' is also a mental construct which in turn can create disassociation from the reality one is experiencing.
absolutely. To take such an experience without a shaman is foolish, but pioneers and ego of the self success needs no guide, being lost on a mountain is no different, fear will make us giddy and irrational and increase our level of hormones accordingly. A sharp knock on the head, brings back focus with great clarity....and we can mutter to our foolishness.
@@mellonglass when painting with too broad a brush one paint over the myriad of differences between all spiritual path. One person will seek the help of shaman, the other will not. Who is to say which person takes the path around the mountain and back and which one gets lost in the thickets? If life was all that predictable it would not be very interesting.
Is this part of a program you guys are offering? I got goose bumps while listening to it (especially from 25:00 onwards), it feels comforting that I haven't been the only one going through this. Are there modalities available at Rebel Wisdom to navigate this journey along with others who have experienced this awakening? And to be honest, I don't think we simply "feel" like we are in an Apocalypse, I have seriously looked into this and it really seems like we ARE in what has been called "the End Times" by many different cultures in many different ways...Thank you for this video, I very much appreciate content about these spiritual experiences!
Currently I m being treated for Schitzophrenia. I've been unable to care for myself since I turned 40. I find myself experiencing light vibrations and vivid dreams. My life is ruined from this and I have other people talking in my head. No one talks to me or relates to me except to make my regular shows in public a prison og gratuitous and unspoken hatred and shame just for catching the bus somewhere and being seen by other people in public. I feel like my aura gives off a presence that causes derision from people who look at me. It's hard to live life like this. I also have lost my ability to communicate with words so I'm never making friends or getting help or communicating so that my needs are met. I have something really important I need to say and I have no one for support. My life feels beyond my means to get on my feet. The trauma doe not get dealt with and I have no idea how to get back to regular society.
Thank you! Amazing syncronicity in connection with all this material. Grateful to identify and relate to all these experiences. Would love to participate more am I am sensing a difference between psicosis and spiritual emergency could be that there is a higher consciousness related in the latter beyond the mind. Subject to debate 🙏
"If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen." - Alan Watts
@@tattarrrrattat There was the public side of Alan Watts, the brilliant philosopher who counseled thusly, and Alan Watts, the private individual who liked his acid trips very much. Random chance delivered me to a certain group of human potential luminaries in the early 70's and I can assure you he did not "hang up the phone."
@@davidgardener5519 David, thank you for the response. Fascinating to hear. The lure of parties back then was too much I'd say. He did die at 58 as well. He had the best of times I'm sure :)
Spiritual emergency can happen.. Psychosis is a magical world. The western common psychiatric world cannot accept how special those people are. They are real full of ideas and phantasies...But the system wants them out especially in Greece. The spirituality is a special condition where inner reality is expressed in the outer. It's like a game where your soul balances with the world. I hope Greece takes more seriously those ecoeriences because many people diagnosed with psychosis might have some important spiritual clues. Le t s hope for a better world..
I had a new spiritual new reality since 2012 still in it and it comes more and more clear that I am sadly right.. Sometimes I wish I did not had it, life was easier.
Actually Leibniz was the first to consider the unconscious philosophically.. It's also odd how the presenter insists on referring to it as a 'subliminal mind', as though an attempt to rebrand that area of the mind away from psychoanalysis. Freud absolutely was not the first to discover the unconscious, he was however the first to scientifically investigate and map out its contents. Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed this talk.
Freud is more like a pop culture caricature from Hegel's Monstrous Narratives ... and Hegel is like a rational overdose from a Leibniz's chapter about Intellectual Pornography of "The Monads" ... Late Wittgenstein, A CEO from an editorial labeling the cover's titles from their books and writing in The soft cover, a resume ... Husserl is just trying to see "What the fook is going on here??" ... but can't see the Name of The Street were Wittgenstein have its editorial. After while, thanks to "God" ...Some how, Sartre can see to opposite sides at The Same time ... ... and Rant gets an orgasm by Camus trying to write something with His tongue in her derriere's holes ....
The Builders of Cognitive/Philosophical Models are a living metaphor of The Blinds & The Elephant ... The Concepts or Constructs used in Their have sense in The Context from their models ... but out of The model those "coined construct" are basically a fuzzy term from a blind's unconfirmed hypothesis ... Hey, I am Not denying that blinds talking in a dark room about What is Sight is a funny scene that deserves its theater.
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Jules mentioned a Spiritual Crisis support group in his lecture, but I cannot find any links to that resource either here, or on his website. Does anyone know about this group?
25:40 and 27:21 these qualities are present throughout the writing of Philip K. Dick; his own drug use and mental illness surely informed how his protagonists experience - and question - reality
I have been baptized with the annoiting and the holy Ghost and my spirit is loose I need help with transformation to survive. Can you lead me in the right directions.
I have been baptized with the annoiting and the holy Ghost and my spirit is loose I need help with transformation to survive. Can you lead me in the right directions
Spiritual Emergency or ecstatic experience being suggested, by Jules Evans, as one going from mental fitness to mental illness may just as likely (or perhaps more appropriately) seen as just the opposite...one going from a state of mental illness (at whatever point on the continuum) to new states of mental, spiritual, emotional fitness. The transition may be difficult as the infrastructure of one's poorly built, "unhealthy" life is reconstructed with stronger and more meaningful materials. Think 3 little pigs (going from sticks to bricks). He has some good insights, but I found his attempts to demystify the mystical a bit off the mark and presumptious, more certainty than is warranted, in my opinion (from a group sampling that leaned heavy on the psychiatric). It's ridiculous to try to homogenize the diagnosis of such experiences, suggesting a sort of textbook sameness, with the only variable being how one frames the experience (same portrait, different frame). His Dia-GNOSIS did not resonate, but it was presented nicely.
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I thought the Grofs said that if there is no conclusive evedence of a chemical or nutritional imbalance or physical dysfunction in the brain then those psychotic episodes most likely were of the transpersonal type. And in cases where the medical test were returned positive for dysfunction, the medication and standard pychological treaments should be persued.
Hey Jules, if you want to find out a different perspective on other states of consciousness that don’t fall into the corridor of opposites like “spirituality” and “psychosis” you may care to consider the logical and rational approach of Jiddu Krishnamurti who definitely experienced deep psychological crisis as a natural occurrence and emerged from it without assistance from others. Krishnamurti’s teachings reveals that the only crisis for humanity exists in consciousness which means the content which is gathered by self-centred memory (personal and collective) is the mischief maker due to the traditional society’s conditioning through the images that lie undetected as abstract knowledge and experience, but nevertheless actively influencing the psychological awareness and understanding of daily living. Freedom from the past can occur naturally without effort, direction or use of will by understanding the powerful force of negation/ mutation/ creation simultaneously. This is only possible by the fact of ‘what is’ not ‘what was’ or ‘what should be’ because the fact doesn’t condition the mind, but everything else (non-fact) does. So the ordinary or special content of psychological memory (images) is the contamination preventing access to the freedom inherent in the other dimension of consciousness that’s ever new because it was never old.
Definitely think Krishnamurti's process had aspects of a spiritual emergency to it - unsurprising, as he suffered a lot of trauma as a boy (not least from the monstrous Charles Leadbeater). I think his mistake was then to take his experience as proof that he was somehow enlightened or the World Teacher, to the point where he pretended to have no ego or even no remembrance of the past. Which was bullshit, to be honest.
@ Jules Evans Your reply is centred around the early connection of Krishnamurti with the Theosophical movement before he denounced the World Teacher nonsense therefore it ignores the after period which included a monumental psychological emergency at Ojai California after the death of his brother. From that crisis onwards Krishnamurti emerged as a solo figure of immense energy and compassion/wisdom who travelled through most of the non-communist countries engaging with public audiences and selected interviews with leaders of many theological persuasions and intellectuals from philosophy backgrounds with only one viewpoint - to set mankind FREE. The worthiness in Krishnamurti’s teachings is that through serious investigation into the limitations of fragmented consciousness that pervades the traditional mainstream society’s principles of accumulating knowledge/experience of a psychological nuanced perspective on life can be seen in their inherent incompleteness and consequently need to be totally set aside due to the fact that it consists largely of abstract dead images occupying virtually all the space in the brain cells that harbour memory. The uniquely powerful effect of the clean out by negation/mutation/creation simultaneously is the emergence of other states of consciousness which may be called nothingness or singularity, the ground or essence of meditation which requires no system, practice or special effects of acquired knowledge/skill or particular/collective effort. Self knowing of “what is” as a comprehensive fact in relation to the daily living phenomena (without any images) is the simple but elusive key to the immensity of life in what scientific theory might equate with quantum consciousness. So if you are stuck in discussions about psychosis and spirituality you may be blind to the far more intriguing aspects of holistic consciousness which exists beyond the squabbling that’s common to the intellectual concepts pervading RUclips sites.
@@grahaminglis4242 I dont think he ever said the World Teacher stuff was all nonsense did he? He never said 'I am not the World Teacher, I am not the Messiah'. He always maintained an ambiguity. Not according to vernon's biography. I wrote on Krishnamurti last month. He's not my hero but I appreciate he has inspired many others and had a huge influence. thank you for your comment. Jules medium.com/age-of-awareness/krishnamurti-the-lonely-hollywood-star-413b29a76999
Take a look at the work of Tyson Yunkaporta in his book Sand Talk. Very interesting set of “yarns” from a First Nations perspective. Also plenty of RUclips videos where he discusses his work. E.g. see Stoa
um... when has anyone said in history that a spiritual experience is a fairytale and unicorns? No one. My spiritual experience came after trauma and it was not pretty.
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We share the same last name. We also share the same experience have having a spiritual emergency. You are in the right place. This channel has helped me. There is a lot of resources where I live thankfully. What kind of help do you think you need? You are NOT alone!
hahaha... yeah, when you're in that state of realizing that everything is just an illusion, a plastic dream and everyone is just a simulated point that reacts to your center... and then you wake up lulled back into your program a few weeks later. when you get that bill on your credit card having traveled half around the world first class or whatever and whatever in the middle... :D weird that you wake up in a very different place than you left from though.
I found this interesting but the cognitive articulation identifies part of the problem many people have with spiritual emergency issues. A culture that is too familiar with the energy of the mind at the expense of the body. Be more grounded, be more disciplined, the wisdom traditions of the east promote yoga, tia chi and qi gong for a reason. The body needs to be cleansed of traumas and injuries. The foundations need to be in place to have a steady footing to reach the heights of transcendental states. If the foundations and discipline are not in place then you will likely end up confused, lost, lead astray. The mystical path is simple, but we are conditioned to not follow this way.
Spirituality. A term often used by those who have no clue what they are talking about, but employ word salad to describe it, making it sound like the "workshops or guru seminar/ashram" is worth the entrance fee of $799.99 per session. "Ego sum via, et veritas, et vita. Nemo venit ad Patrem, nisi per me." -Jesum Christum
Yes, ecstasy can be emotionally extremely painful or euphoric. All my spiritual experiences have been involuntary and a gift from God and due to the love of Christ, not from seeking them, or from psychedelics. I don't believe having these experiences make a person superior to anyone else. I would never take psychedelics or seek these experiences at retreats as I appreciate them occurring naturally and not artificially. I view psychedelics as dangerous and producing fake, highly deceptive experiences that appear spiritual but are not the real thing.
why make a presentation about eveyrthing we already know? sounds like a highschool version of univeristy course about religion... wheres the idea and your own bits?..
Well, not everyone knows everything. Not everyone took university courses on religion. Accept that this was helpful for some people but not for you and move on.
How about you "fact check " these three patents 7279327, 7776521, 7220852 (Methods for producing recombinant coronavirus 2007 ) (Coronavirus isolated from humans Sars-CoV 2010 @
I have one simple question: WHY is anyone looking to the US for leadership, guidance, as any kind of exemplar or example while pursuing these questions? Americans are utterly infantilised, and the impulse in Brits to trot along after them is, in my view, a bad one. In my experience with Americans in the past couple of years, particularly with ayahuasca in Peru, almost all of them seemed to be looking for nothing other than a new church to spoon-feed them from wherever their last spoon-feeding gimmick had left off. Sorry, but no.
Why does anyone look for leadership? Connect to God, personally. Be a leader within your family and community. Purposely follow those who you trust. Most importantly, treat persons as individuals- don’t assume you know a person because you know some superficial thing about them. America is 330,000,000 persons. Your description doesn’t describe many. The psyops they’re pulling on us requires we buy into their collectivism. Please try to avoid it.
@@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Psyops? I'd just call it a kind of cultural hegemony to which the anglosphere is very responsive -- far too responsive. Perhaps especially the English. They've imported Americanism wholesale into news delivery, the media more widely, film, and I suppose this is understandable to an extent because the products of a dumbed-down culture industry are easier to sell than anything challenging, but the impact of it is appalling. And I don't believe in "God".
Lew Reed You have beliefs about how the universe and life began, I imagine. If you do- those are questions of “god” Collectivism concerning god was easily “their” first psyop.
I only know of one person alive that can perform acts of faith. none of you know none at all. A few will show up next year but their power is darkness.
@@biocykle Not really he is hear as a witness only. After he leaves you will see him again after the 2 witnesses of power appear. There is only One Amen.
spiritual emergency....what is that..... mean there's no such thing a....spiritual emergency or maybe this is a comic book.....mean to say is....any proof what jules evans....what he talkin about it's true
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... I would like much more participation, or understanding of Indian, Asian and/or indigenous wisdom from Australia, Pacific Ocean islanders and Africans... they have had older linage of wisdom than Europe. Just to give a minute example. Nothing new about Jung. Aboriginals of Australia and especially continent of India have spoken about the significance of dreams... western culture, to a degree, arrogance, have cunningly hacked ancient wisdom... by doing so, it just shows another level of smitten ignorance by the west...
Easily one of the best channels on youtube
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So good to hear that others have had these experiences. I wish I had this information during my crisis. It's so horrible to be alone and have others totally freak out. Peace be with you
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As a diagnosed schizophrenic, I just want to say thank you for your material. So much of it touched home for me.
Schizophrenia doesn’t exist because reality is not permanent, it is different for every person here on earth. Noone knows the true nature of reality. But it is dependent on beliefs, language, life experience e.t.c. Remember to find your own interpretation of what has happened to you so that you can grow and become stronger from it. Like you are doing here. Remember to be patient because it does take time. You are NOT broken x
@@danwiller A year late. But that sure is, i believe reality is built on Subjective idealism. That everything we perceive comes within the mind, without perceiving there isn't a reality.
So glad to have found this! I went through a terrifying experience after having a ceremony with a shaman in Indonesia. I asked via a translator to have my spiritual eyes opened. Well I got what I asked for! Too much to tell but I was spiritually and mentally torn apart. Despite displaying most symptoms of schizophrenia (thankfully I didn't seek medical help) I continued a "normal" life and no one saw me as any different. It took a about 18 months but I came out (via dreams, reading Jung etc) literally born again, cleared of life's traumas that had stopped me from being the person I was born to be.
Incredible story. What a learning journey. It's still a slog with psychedelic challenges thrown in, yet the evidence in psilocybin therapy so far, points towards a desire to live again as a treatment for resistant depression.
Yours is a story that shows guidance through processing and integration will make for a gentler transition.
I must add previous to this experience (quite a time before) I had taken a large dose of DMT which rocked my reality but the shamanic experience was without drugs. I think this made the experience more intense as I actually thought despite having to ride motorbikes way up into the jungle into a village that could have been a thousand years ago, it was just for tourists... When the young woman (not called a shaman but Dukun) turned into an ancient hag muttering in the old Batak language only her husband knew who translated to my translater, right in front of my eyes that I realised this was real and what I had asked for out of the ceremony was foolish and arrogant in the extreme. Suffice to say I paid my dues and learned to stop jumping in rashly and worrying about the consequences later.
@@NoNameneeded1984 woah this sounds like a hell of a story. have you written it down/ filmed it anywhere for us to find out more?
Yes Scott I wrote it all down mainly for my children/grand children to read so they may understand the power in confronting the shadow side of our personalities. As far as others reading it, actually recently I have been motivated to compile the experience (once again). I guess I've moved so far from that time that the passion for writing it has become more of a chore. Thank you for taking the time to respond....
@@NoNameneeded1984 understood. If you do ever publish somewhere let me know :)
Exactly the topic we need right now! Watch us find our next evolutionary step as our consciousness expands back to what it used to be. Life is going to be awesome! ♥
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Having myself experienced a wide spectrum of spiritual emergency and mystical revelations from adolescence and through decades beyond, I have been able to help and continue to help many people navigate and evolve in the process of awakening to our Eternal Identity, a process we are all doing, all the time. Jules Evans beautifully and humbly expressed his experience and ongoing understanding of this "journey without distance". Thank you, Jules. I would like to share that when opening oneself to the transcendent, whether voluntarily, involuntarily, drug-induced or grace-induced, imho the most critical need one has is a Guide, Guru, Master, either in human body or ascended, and a community of human companions who are familiar with these phases. To be alone, isolated and not understood is both cause and effect of a spiritual emergency without this support. Raising awareness and offering support is a most loving function and service.
Thank you for shedding light on these very important subjects that our culture don’t want to deal with and they end up getting shoved aside because they’re too scary. Spiritual emergency is very real and I’ve been and still going through it many years after it started, and luckily I have found good guides and wisdom along the way to help me cope and integrate. My cousin went through an extreme case of this emergency and eventually his doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia and he ended up taking his own life because he couldn’t handle it anymore. I hope that our culture and world will start looking at these issues more openly and non-judgmentally like the Rebel Wisdom channel.
Oh my God, I'm so sorry for the loss of your cousin... This is so sad to hear. Also for the hard times that you've been and are still going through (if you still are). I'm glad to hear that you've found guides who are helpful to you. I totally agree with what you've said, it's so important...I'm glad that there are people out there who talk about it here on RUclips like in this helpful video, it's a start.
I'm wishing you good luck and strenght!
Whether or not this presentation is any kind of accurate representation or clear commentary on the numinous, I felt it an earnest one. We need more and more people at the forefront who are prepared to provide first aid to people in the shock of "waking up" at whatever level it may be. I believe this is an evolutionary step, and unfortunately due to our history, it is a journey fraught with danger. But I cannot deny that we are in the throes of en evolutionary breakdown. I have had a few of these experiences, and luckily, I had the luxury of time to allow for the deconstruction of certain egoic patterns to be observed and integrated from somewhat of a "witnessing" stemming from meditation. My saving grace was a simple two word command given to me by my guru at the time, " SUSPEND INTERPRETATION." To this day, I fail to find a working explanation for my experiences. I simply focus on the evolving compassionate attitude I have for the construct termed "I" that navigates my life. But the older I get, the easier it seems to shy away from the unhinged sensations and emotions that naturally arise when these things come up. For many, that is not a choice. For me, I have the privilege of feeling safe from these states. At least for now.
‘Difficult situations can be both painful and beautiful’. A lovely way to end, and reminds me of Kahlil Gibran’s Joy and Sorrow. Thank you, such an informed talk, it’s good to have a channel where curious and informed minds (true experts) are given a voice.
David, I am so grateful to you and your team (and to Jules in this case - I also read the book Breaking Open) - for all of the material you are releasing on this topic. I also experienced a breaking open during an ayahuasca ceremony 7 years ago, it wasn't the first time I had had an experience but this literally blew me out of my body - well it seemingly was a kundalini awakening - the years that followed my reality totally shifted and it was traumatic a lot of the time - I was lost and confused, although at the time I felt like I was living in the 'real' world I was totally disconnected. There was no handbook to guide me at all. It was so difficult to find people to relate to - I didn't really know what was happening to me. It has taken a long time to come back down to earth and begin living in the world again - and that in itself was a journey of processing and re-integration and still continues. What seems to be unfolding is living life in a completely new way, as in being reborn. Unfortunately I wasn't really surrounded by people who understood, I was travelling and bouncing from place to place in and out of communities with people who were probably just as lost as me (many of whom I imagine still are !). Trying to figure out what happened and piece it all together has been so much easier thanks to you introducing people such as Stan Grof and Jules here and the many others I have begun to read and follow. The awakening processes is not pretty and can be challening and I have found there to be many layers of healing that one needs to address, from many different modalities before we can really claim to be sovereign and fully healed and integrated humans in the world. Just a note also, that I also could not read many books or watch movies - I could however watch teachers such as Mooji and connect with books by Adyashanti and anything which transmitted 'spiritual' teachings.
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Wow! Excellent presentation on Spiritual Emergency! The best I’ve seen. Thank your for sharing it freely with the world.
I had this life changing out of body experience which was triggered by a certain tone of background piano music while playing around on the silkweave website, when certain pattern seemed to sync with a certain melodic progression which triggered a sudden remembering of floating through deep space without a body, triggering what I can only describe as sudden 360 degree explosion of my normal static awareness and sense of self, where the "bottom fell out" so to speak, and surreal and non ego state types of unconditional understanding, love, reverence, appreciation, and acceptance towards every moment of my life, all the actions of others, and the natural world itself.
Like a loving creating state, where I operated in an open, enthusiastic, authentic manner, not from ego or thought or reaction, but from a place of knowing, causing me to immediately quit smoking cigarettes the second it happened, with zero withdrawal symptoms. It the supernatural qualities to it faded for 3 days, after which my normal ego and focal point of engaging with the world gradually took hold again.
It was like a thick fog returning into my mind and disorienting me and making me forget the connection to intuitive knowing as a way of being, rather than thinking and ego and clutching to old known reactions.
There are means which to return. I can speak of what process I have pursued. My experience was similar, yet personal. Two days ago I accomplished lucid dreaming and chose to meditate in the dream. The only word that approaches describing it is Infinity. May I suggest you look into the Solfeggio frequencies as you mentioned music as the catalyst.
Beautiful! Thank you for sharing
Perhaps your body momentarily internally released small amounts of DMT somehow? Sounds a lot like an DMT-induced trip
@@MrSears_1.618 As I noticed the effects withdrawing, I accepted that if this was my destiny, I was to let it be as it is, even if it faded completely, even if it was to convince and reaffirm my spiritual development, even if people all over the world were going to enter into the same state and usher in some kind of global paradigm shift, or even if I were to discover a way to build a stable bridge to that same divine place of being through my normal baseline state with years of dedicated practice and trials.
Im familiar with the solfeggio frequencies but haven't felt much connection specifically with them.
Maybe in future practices and exploration they will become more central. Many thanks.
@@Danny-qt5vt very possible, it was a kundalini like euphoric and electrifying sensation starting at the base of my spine with jarring speed up to my head where it then exploded or rapidly expanded in all directions with this visionary dissociative gaze where the floating through deep space was actually real and visible almost more tangibly than my surroundings, and the experience of awareness at the cellular and atomic level, as well as the macrocosm of entire celestial systems took place, before the profound nature of it clicked and I came out of it with these extremely heightened sensations and a feeling like i had been reborn or had been asleep or dormant for thousands of years, and like another entity far beyond me, awoke through me.
Dmt had been used explicitly 2 weeks prior btw.
excellent, chaps so we having a reality crisis and spiritual crisis at the same time, interesting times...
Where is the difference anyway?
@Winston Smith phew thank god you're here to let us know what's really going on. I feel so much better
Thank you, at last something that sounds like an experience I had in the 1960s. Was it a Spiritual Emergency or happening, or Psychosis. Something I have asked myself a million times over the years. It never been able to resolve it and blame myself. Yet it changed my ideas about life. Most people said it was psychosis, I am not so sure.
Hello Rebel Wisdom,
That’s great to see there is more awareness being brought to the topic of spiritual emergency in recent years. It is also quite interesting to learn about all those historical cases, yet one thing is to discuss and analyze it from historical perspective and another is to work in the field with those who are going through it. One teacher, named Igor Kufayev has been doing both, working hands-on with the actual cases as well as bringing greater awareness of psychologists and psychiatrists towards the urgent need to re-evaluate our understanding of what spiritual emergency represents...
This has been my every day feeling/reality since April of 2020. Lirerally reality has been disintegrating before my eyes since then
That makes sense now I think about it. To be “well adjusted “ to a seemingly daily shift in reality/normal civic life by definition would mean someone would be dissociative or schizophrenic in a way
I can relate to what you said. March/april definitely feels unlike any reality I’ve seen experienced before sober.
Be thankful you weren’t around during World War Two.
@@theseasnakewhisperer8649 I can't even imagine...we are def still lucky compared to then...its just the first time I'm experiencing stuff like this....my soul feels heavy af 😪
@@beaux1 Have you had any success with meditation?
Keenan Smith you will survive this, and come out of it stronger for the experience. You’ll look back and be grateful that you experienced a hardship that helped fortify your character. Stay strong brother.
My politically-influenced spiritual and existential crisis occurred after the 2016 US election. I know firsthand how vulnerable a person is when they’re in that sort of state (and I feel less crazy after listening to this, lol). This is really useful material, thank you
Absolutely!!!
Going to the Galapagos Islands is like being in a different universe every day as you go to each different island. Even more so after some intense Ayahuasca experiences.
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Excellent! It explains my life so well. Being labelled by psychiatry represses people and doesnt let there demons out.
Yes, good. We are certainly in a spiritual (and physical) emergency as never before. My only real outlet is communicating through writing so although I’ve been avoiding it for a lifetime, the time had come for our children,grandchildren and everyone in this planet. The wisdom of ancestral humans is obviously urgent here. I’m not even equipped to accomplish this only a lot of life experience. Overcoming self doubt will be major. It helps to encounter people like you even if it is on RUclips Lol! There are very few reliable forums remained. Thank you.
:))) You can't have just a one directional spiritual experience because that is how the world is made, you can't see light without knowing darkness as simple as that.
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Why does no one ever mention Rudolf Steiner? This subject was his life’s work.
Did Steiner write on spiritual emergencies? I'd love to read what he wrote - could you direct me?
@@JulesEvans he wrote about avoiding it in every word he spoke
@@JulesEvans I based my rather brief comment on the content of the video rather than the title. Steiner mapped out a method for avoiding the "emergency" aspect. By following this method of personal development one encounters spiritual awakening in a measured way according to one's stage of development. Nothing is forced. The book that maps out this path is called "How to know higher words" and can be found here: www.amazon.co.uk/How-Know-Higher-Worlds-Anthroposophy-ebook/dp/B0029XFF6U#:~:text=Published%20in%201904%20(CW%2010),-This%20is%20the&text=illumination%2C%20and%20initiation.-,Steiner%20provides%20practical%20exercises%20of%20inner%20and%20outer%20observation%20and,thus%20far%20concealed%20from%20us. Spiritual emergencies tend to arise through crossings of the threshold unconsciously or by force. Steiner points out the dangers of this and provides a safe method.
Alan Miggin Very interesting and aligns with what I have seen with others & experienced myself. Thanks for the share. 🙏🏻
Jules Evans also looking around Steiner’s work, he lectured on the Human Organs, and how premature release of life forces from particular organs, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, spleen, lungs, liver etc... triggered psycho spiritual experiences. This is just a tiny nut shell... see ‘Man on the Threshold’ by Bernard Lievegoed. ‘The Human Organs’ by Walter Holtzapfel. ‘Jung and Steiner, the birth of a new psychology’ by Gerard Wehr. Just a few examples. Again in a nut shell Steiner spoke about the importance of stringent internal training so that one can integrate spiritual experiences... trauma can occur, and vice versa trauma can trigger spiritual experiences.... Steiner lectured about all this... in 1920s, so pleased that you mentioned Grof’s work in ‘Spiritual Emergency’ as this resonates so deeply with Steiner’s insights.
Surely the forced effort of trying to have a spiritual experience in order to analyse, research and compare it with the experiences of others, with the preconceived purpose of writing an academic book, blocks you from just allowing the experience and experiencing your spirituality fully?
That's a valid point. I'd already had a spontaneous spiritual experience in my 20s, and was looking for how to make sense of it and repeat it. Being a writer, I wrote about this journey, and there was some analysis involved as well. I think you have to bring your reason along with you, you cant - or shouldn't - entirely ditch it. But yes, at a certain point you have to go beyond analysis.
I think to have a 100% pure ego-free experience is impossible short of a malfunctioning brain. It is just an ideal to aim towards. Noting and making conscious efforts to interpret an experience while it is happening is going to influence/inhibit it, but so does a number of other mental processes, hormone levels etc. So, you have the post-modern analysis correct. Where to from there? If we are going to understand the experience better we need people like Jules bringing back insights, to be understood probabilistically and triangulated across individuals towards general insights.
This is a time of bringing those discoveries back to ordinary reality to reassert our humanity over the State religions and tyranny. It's a collaborative and collective spiritual experience which is manifesting. It's a time of reclaiming who we really are.
Well, you can't force an esoteric experience, but you can induce one with enthogens. Analyzation is key to understanding the experience.
The greater risk is reading other books and utilizing their answers rather than resolving your own questions (quest) for your self.
My thought, as regards your thought, is as you say in comparing it to the experiuence of others before you have solidified the meaning of the experience in your own mind. Now I am looking to do comparisions, such as with Joseph Campbell's monomyth cycle.
If I understand your question, statement trying to over analyze for academic purposes, will undercut the experience and dilute if not totally negate the psychological purpose. (maybe?)
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Loved this video. 100% on board. Thank you for all you guys do. You're killing it :)
Thank you for your insights. Your work is Edifying.
Totally relate to the problem these 'emergencies' incite in the process of critical thinking.
I was awaken early to the underlying reality. TheseTwo defining events from my childhood.
"Mine was the first generation baby sat and raised by “T.V.”, the nick name of our favorite nanny. We would sit in rapture as she told us stories of wonder, entertaining us from the moment we woke in the morning, until we went to sleep at night. We were mesmerized, hypnotized by her comforting presence in our living rooms. The damage television does to the neuro network of children, by overstimulating the brain, was generally unknown at the time. Yet, the effect on psychological processes, at the unconscious level, was being utilized by Hollywood and investigated by the gov’t. The gov’t hoped, through television programming, to produce a patriotic mindset in an ever more discerning and disenchanted population."
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"The sixties saw an end to a unique moment in time, as portrayed in “The Andy Griffith Show” and “Leave it to Beaver”. Back then, before seven am, television programing was dedicated to community service. I was standing in the living room, listening to my Nanny. Watching a T.V. program supposedly designed to teach people English. My Nanny asked a question in a sanguine voice. “Is it as it is”? Waking me to consciousness and the world in a most uncomfortable way. The T.V. went on quickly to assure me things were indeed as they seemed. “It is as it is”, it soothed. Too late! A seemingly simple, innocuous question, but to a child just starting to conceive reality, it was frightening. Is it as it is? Is it how it seems? How would or could I know? You cannot undo the ringing of a bell. The question had taken hold of me. How could I possibly know if anything was as it seemed? Why would or should I take comfort or believe any answer given to this troubling question? "
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"The existential crisis is a known catalyst, key component in development of the awakened awareness. In fifth grade I was once again confronted with an existential crisis. I was reading a graphic horror story. In the story a man had a recurring dream where he dreamt he was a spider, caught in a scorpion’s claws. Eventually the story revealed the man was a spider, caught in a scorpion’s claw, dreaming he was a man, who was dreaming he was a spider. I have had bad dreams where I wished and hoped it was a dream. Sometimes it was a dream, other times it was not. The philosopher’s quandary, how do we know this world we experience is real and not a dream? We only know our dreams as dreams, after we awaken. "
(Excepts from my writings)
Being exposed to the concept of reality as a dream at such a young age has profound and most often catastrophic results.
Look forward to following your thoughts.
Fantastic , thanks for these talks on spiritual emergence
Wow, just what I needed right now and thank you and I will be buying your book.
sounds like you did the same trip I did. 2 weeks at Feather Crown in Ecuador, and two weeks in the Galapagos. I still have dreams and experiences relating to my Ayahuasca experiences.
Thank you so much for this video, this is so helpful and important to me!
I've experienced this as well after two Ayahuasca ceremonies, it was an extreme mess for me, for two years, it ended last year around this time. I feel like I've been totally reborn which I'm so, so grateful for but I'm still left with so many questions about my mental health...
In this video, there was spoken about the participants of the book, that they've allowed themselves to experience this again, if I'm not wrong?
I always follow my intuition and I've been feeling like I'm supposed to experience another Ayahuasca journey. My rational mind is so afraid of this because I'm scared that this could get me into trouble. I've been trying to let go of the feeling like I should do it, but so far, it hasn't gone anywhere. Besides the fear I also feel very curious about what would happen if I would go and I also feel like I would be able to handle whatever would after all that I've experienced, I just don't know how wise it would be to put myself in the posistion again.
I would really love to hear how others see this, if there are people out there who can identify with this feeling or have any idea if this is safe or something that I shouldn't even allow myself to consider. I hope that there's someone out there who would like to share their thoughts with me! Thank you for reading this if you did!
ive had a spiritual experience and try to explain to family and the doctor, now they think im crazy lmao
Meditated for a couple weeks 5 years ago, felt a peace I never knew I could be, it lasted for about 1 month then my life slowly began flipping upside down... I just can't be bothered to care again.
Sounds like you don't have much of a choice! You've got to work with what you have and although it's a difficult journey, please believe me when I say it's worth it. Sometimes things just don't get better on their own.
A disassociation is usually a reaction to the ego experiencing an overwhelming amount of anxiety. Reality becomes too much and so a withdrawal from the senses occurs, hence the presenter not being able to take in books and films etc. To me it sounds as though the trip was on a level traumatic, and he was unable to integrate the experience in a meaningful way, as a result he disassociated himself from reality. It is only by his experiencing of proofs of love and goodness from his friends that unconsciously he was able to reaffirm the goodness of reality, to trust it, and so begin to reintegrate his outer world with his inner.
Not to take away from his experience, but he was very lucky that A) he likely already has a history of good experiences in his past in order to serve as a bulwark against the onslaught of such a psychedelic experience (whereby the user is barraged by a heap of unconscious material, unconscious because it is disagreeable to the person) and that B) he was surrounded by good people to ease him back into reality.
If either of these two points were missing, there is a possibility that a person who undergoes such a trip and disassociates, they may not come back. Psychosis is a defence mechanism against the experience of pain in reality.
Interesting.
I was wondering during the talk what the difference is between psychopathic and mystical/ecstatic and my answer was temporary v permanent.
From what you wrote could we prevent permanent damage by changing set and settings of psychiatric treatments?
Anthony Dukes it depends on the ego strength of the individual. I always liked what Jung said about psychedelics ‘beware of unearned wisdom’
@@PhozMix Althought the believe in the term 'unearned wisdom' is also a mental construct which in turn can create disassociation from the reality one is experiencing.
absolutely. To take such an experience without a shaman is foolish, but pioneers and ego of the self success needs no guide, being lost on a mountain is no different, fear will make us giddy and irrational and increase our level of hormones accordingly.
A sharp knock on the head, brings back focus with great clarity....and we can mutter to our foolishness.
@@mellonglass when painting with too broad a brush one paint over the myriad of differences between all spiritual path. One person will seek the help of shaman, the other will not. Who is to say which person takes the path around the mountain and back and which one gets lost in the thickets? If life was all that predictable it would not be very interesting.
Is this part of a program you guys are offering? I got goose bumps while listening to it (especially from 25:00 onwards), it feels comforting that I haven't been the only one going through this. Are there modalities available at Rebel Wisdom to navigate this journey along with others who have experienced this awakening? And to be honest, I don't think we simply "feel" like we are in an Apocalypse, I have seriously looked into this and it really seems like we ARE in what has been called "the End Times" by many different cultures in many different ways...Thank you for this video, I very much appreciate content about these spiritual experiences!
It may seem that we are alone but we never are.. just the ego being paranoid
wonderful - thank you!
Currently I m being treated for Schitzophrenia. I've been unable to care for myself since I turned 40. I find myself experiencing light vibrations and vivid dreams. My life is ruined from this and I have other people talking in my head. No one talks to me or relates to me except to make my regular shows in public a prison og gratuitous and unspoken hatred and shame just for catching the bus somewhere and being seen by other people in public. I feel like my aura gives off a presence that causes derision from people who look at me. It's hard to live life like this. I also have lost my ability to communicate with words so I'm never making friends or getting help or communicating so that my needs are met. I have something really important I need to say and I have no one for support. My life feels beyond my means to get on my feet. The trauma doe not get dealt with and I have no idea how to get back to regular society.
Thank you! Amazing syncronicity in connection with all this material. Grateful to identify and relate to all these experiences. Would love to participate more am I am sensing a difference between psicosis and spiritual emergency could be that there is a higher consciousness related in the latter beyond the mind. Subject to debate 🙏
You don’t need stimulants/ Psychedelics to have a spiritual experience.
Is that all you took away from this talk?
"If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen." - Alan Watts
you don't but they help , like a chemical catalyst jeje
@@tattarrrrattat There was the public side of Alan Watts, the brilliant philosopher who counseled thusly, and Alan Watts, the private individual who liked his acid trips very much. Random chance delivered me to a certain group of human potential luminaries in the early 70's and I can assure you he did not "hang up the phone."
@@davidgardener5519 David, thank you for the response. Fascinating to hear. The lure of parties back then was too much I'd say. He did die at 58 as well. He had the best of times I'm sure :)
Spiritual emergency can happen.. Psychosis is a magical world. The western common psychiatric world cannot accept how special those people are. They are real full of ideas and phantasies...But the system wants them out especially in Greece. The spirituality is a special condition where inner reality is expressed in the outer. It's like a game where your soul balances with the world. I hope Greece takes more seriously those ecoeriences because many people diagnosed with psychosis might have some important spiritual clues. Le t s hope for a better world..
I had a new spiritual new reality since 2012 still in it and it comes more and more clear that I am sadly right.. Sometimes I wish I did not had it, life was easier.
You just described my nervous breakdown sans the support network.
Actually Leibniz was the first to consider the unconscious philosophically.. It's also odd how the presenter insists on referring to it as a 'subliminal mind', as though an attempt to rebrand that area of the mind away from psychoanalysis. Freud absolutely was not the first to discover the unconscious, he was however the first to scientifically investigate and map out its contents. Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed this talk.
Freud is more like a pop culture caricature from Hegel's Monstrous Narratives ... and Hegel is like a rational overdose from a Leibniz's chapter about Intellectual Pornography of "The Monads" ...
Late Wittgenstein, A CEO from an editorial labeling the cover's titles from their books and writing in The soft cover, a resume ...
Husserl is just trying to see "What the fook is going on here??" ... but can't see the Name of The Street were Wittgenstein have its editorial.
After while, thanks to "God" ...Some how, Sartre can see to opposite sides at The Same time ...
... and Rant gets an orgasm by Camus trying to write something with His tongue in her derriere's holes ....
The term 'subliminal' was Coined by the Frederic Meyers he refers to, who preceded Freud, which included the super-consciousness...more akin to Jung
The Builders of Cognitive/Philosophical Models are a living metaphor of The Blinds & The Elephant ... The Concepts or Constructs used in Their have sense in The Context from their models ... but out of The model those "coined construct" are basically a fuzzy term from a blind's unconfirmed hypothesis ...
Hey, I am Not denying that blinds talking in a dark room about What is Sight is a funny scene that deserves its theater.
Thank you for this
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How long did the participant’s crises last? Did they experience severe depression afterwards?
I was in crisis for 3.5 months.
Jules mentioned a Spiritual Crisis support group in his lecture, but I cannot find any links to that resource either here, or on his website. Does anyone know about this group?
Yey ! You made a new video! I look forward to them!
25:40 and 27:21 these qualities are present throughout the writing of Philip K. Dick; his own drug use and mental illness surely informed how his protagonists experience - and question - reality
Excellent talk, thanks!
It might not be a bad idea to find a good teacher to walk us through the Dhamma
Are you guys aware of the border clashes between China and India? I'd love Rebel Wisdom to cover this topic given the the current state of the world.
Excellent commentary on the times
I have been baptized with the annoiting and the holy Ghost and my spirit is loose I need help with transformation to survive. Can you lead me in the right directions.
I have been baptized with the annoiting and the holy Ghost and my spirit is loose I need help with transformation to survive. Can you lead me in the right directions
Spiritual Emergency or ecstatic experience being suggested, by Jules Evans, as one going from mental fitness to mental illness may just as likely (or perhaps more appropriately) seen as just the opposite...one going from a state of mental illness (at whatever point on the continuum) to new states of mental, spiritual, emotional fitness. The transition may be difficult as the infrastructure of one's poorly built, "unhealthy" life is reconstructed with stronger and more meaningful materials. Think 3 little pigs (going from sticks to bricks). He has some good insights, but I found his attempts to demystify the mystical a bit off the mark and presumptious, more certainty than is warranted, in my opinion (from a group sampling that leaned heavy on the psychiatric). It's ridiculous to try to homogenize the diagnosis of such experiences, suggesting a sort of textbook sameness, with the only variable being how one frames the experience (same portrait, different frame).
His Dia-GNOSIS did not resonate, but it was presented nicely.
Wow so we'll put. Thanks for pointing out the Gnosis in diagnosis too. When one says self diagnosis maybe they just me self gnosis
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I thought the Grofs said that if there is no conclusive evedence of a chemical or nutritional imbalance or physical dysfunction in the brain then those psychotic episodes most likely were of the transpersonal type. And in cases where the medical test were returned positive for dysfunction, the medication and standard pychological treaments should be persued.
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2020 says, "I'd like to add "Anti-Travel" to the list, please."
Gotta be symmetric.
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Very interesting, thank you.
Hey Jules, if you want to find out a different perspective on other states of consciousness that don’t fall into the corridor of opposites like “spirituality” and “psychosis” you may care to consider the logical and rational approach of Jiddu Krishnamurti who definitely experienced deep psychological crisis as a natural occurrence and emerged from it without assistance from others.
Krishnamurti’s teachings reveals that the only crisis for humanity exists in consciousness which means the content which is gathered by self-centred memory (personal and collective) is the mischief maker due to the traditional society’s conditioning through the images that lie undetected as abstract knowledge and experience, but nevertheless actively influencing the psychological awareness and understanding of daily living.
Freedom from the past can occur naturally without effort, direction or use of will by understanding the powerful force of negation/ mutation/ creation simultaneously. This is only possible by the fact of ‘what is’ not ‘what was’ or ‘what should be’ because the fact doesn’t condition the mind, but everything else (non-fact) does. So the ordinary or special content of psychological memory (images) is the contamination preventing access to the freedom inherent in the other dimension of consciousness that’s ever new because it was never old.
Definitely think Krishnamurti's process had aspects of a spiritual emergency to it - unsurprising, as he suffered a lot of trauma as a boy (not least from the monstrous Charles Leadbeater). I think his mistake was then to take his experience as proof that he was somehow enlightened or the World Teacher, to the point where he pretended to have no ego or even no remembrance of the past. Which was bullshit, to be honest.
@ Jules Evans
Your reply is centred around the early connection of Krishnamurti with the Theosophical movement before he denounced the World Teacher nonsense therefore it ignores the after period which included a monumental psychological emergency at Ojai California after the death of his brother.
From that crisis onwards Krishnamurti emerged as a solo figure of immense energy and compassion/wisdom who travelled through most of the non-communist countries engaging with public audiences and selected interviews with leaders of many theological persuasions and intellectuals from philosophy backgrounds with only one viewpoint - to set mankind FREE.
The worthiness in Krishnamurti’s teachings is that through serious investigation into the limitations of fragmented consciousness that pervades the traditional mainstream society’s principles of accumulating knowledge/experience of a psychological nuanced perspective on life can be seen in their inherent incompleteness and consequently need to be totally set aside due to the fact that it consists largely of abstract dead images occupying virtually all the space in the brain cells that harbour memory. The uniquely powerful effect of the clean out by negation/mutation/creation simultaneously is the emergence of other states of consciousness which may be called nothingness or singularity, the ground or essence of meditation which requires no system, practice or special effects of acquired knowledge/skill or particular/collective effort.
Self knowing of “what is” as a comprehensive fact in relation to the daily living phenomena (without any images) is the simple but elusive key to the immensity of life in what scientific theory might equate with quantum consciousness. So if you are stuck in discussions about psychosis and spirituality you may be blind to the far more intriguing aspects of holistic consciousness which exists beyond the squabbling that’s common to the intellectual concepts pervading RUclips sites.
@@grahaminglis4242 I dont think he ever said the World Teacher stuff was all nonsense did he? He never said 'I am not the World Teacher, I am not the Messiah'. He always maintained an ambiguity. Not according to vernon's biography. I wrote on Krishnamurti last month. He's not my hero but I appreciate he has inspired many others and had a huge influence. thank you for your comment. Jules medium.com/age-of-awareness/krishnamurti-the-lonely-hollywood-star-413b29a76999
I have felt it all!!!!!
This fits with my intellectual understanding, but I can't add any personal experience. I may be playing life too safe.
Brilliant.
I would be curious as of how Dissociation is similar or opposite to it.
Would you think about improving your microphones? Something closer to the mouth or directional so it doesn't pick up so much of the room.
You don't need training in order to enter a psychedelic experience, going into altered states using psychedelics IS the training.
I'm sorry, that's not true. That's like putting a three year old behind the wheel of a car and saying "driving is the training."
You got a point. But I'd rather practice to shoot my gun and keep my nerves together BEFORE getting sent to the front line.
I'm sorry but there are distinct differences between all of which he grouped and generalized in the beginning of this discussion.
Take a look at the work of Tyson Yunkaporta in his book Sand Talk. Very interesting set of “yarns” from a First Nations perspective. Also plenty of RUclips videos where he discusses his work. E.g. see Stoa
Wow I wish I saw this video before I wrote my most recent video
um... when has anyone said in history that a spiritual experience is a fairytale and unicorns? No one. My spiritual experience came after trauma and it was not pretty.
Mine too - but you'd be surprised by the amount of people belonging to the club of love-and-light version of spirituality. I find them insufferable.
Did this strengthen your resolve to seek answers or stop seeking?
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I am having a spiritual emergency. I need help.
We share the same last name. We also share the same experience have having a spiritual emergency. You are in the right place. This channel has helped me. There is a lot of resources where I live thankfully. What kind of help do you think you need? You are NOT alone!
hahaha... yeah, when you're in that state of realizing that everything is just an illusion, a plastic dream and everyone is just a simulated point that reacts to your center... and then you wake up lulled back into your program a few weeks later. when you get that bill on your credit card having traveled half around the world first class or whatever and whatever in the middle... :D weird that you wake up in a very different place than you left from though.
thanks for this "space" for recapitulation Things happen in this way sometime. important study!
Spiritual emergency-check
I found this interesting but the cognitive articulation identifies part of the problem many people have with spiritual emergency issues. A culture that is too familiar with the energy of the mind at the expense of the body. Be more grounded, be more disciplined, the wisdom traditions of the east promote yoga, tia chi and qi gong for a reason. The body needs to be cleansed of traumas and injuries. The foundations need to be in place to have a steady footing to reach the heights of transcendental states. If the foundations and discipline are not in place then you will likely end up confused, lost, lead astray. The mystical path is simple, but we are conditioned to not follow this way.
Wise.
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Interesting
society is not your home, it must be transcended
Spirituality. A term often used by those who have no clue what they are talking about, but employ word salad to describe it, making it sound like the "workshops or guru seminar/ashram" is worth the entrance fee of $799.99 per session.
"Ego sum via, et veritas, et vita. Nemo venit ad Patrem, nisi per me." -Jesum Christum
LOL opening with the one eye??... you guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Yes, ecstasy can be emotionally extremely painful or euphoric.
All my spiritual experiences have been involuntary and a gift from God and due to the love of Christ, not from seeking them, or from psychedelics. I don't believe having these experiences make a person superior to anyone else.
I would never take psychedelics or seek these experiences at retreats as I appreciate them occurring naturally and not artificially. I view psychedelics as dangerous and producing fake, highly deceptive experiences that appear spiritual but are not the real thing.
Middle ground = Buddhist "no mind" ?
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Post covid? There hasn't even been a covid one...
will u be doing nother video on london real...
the scammer tika tiwari is getting a big push again
why make a presentation about eveyrthing we already know? sounds like a highschool version of univeristy course about religion...
wheres the idea and your own bits?..
Well, not everyone knows everything. Not everyone took university courses on religion. Accept that this was helpful for some people but not for you and move on.
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I have one simple question: WHY is anyone looking to the US for leadership, guidance, as any kind of exemplar or example while pursuing these questions? Americans are utterly infantilised, and the impulse in Brits to trot along after them is, in my view, a bad one. In my experience with Americans in the past couple of years, particularly with ayahuasca in Peru, almost all of them seemed to be looking for nothing other than a new church to spoon-feed them from wherever their last spoon-feeding gimmick had left off. Sorry, but no.
Why does anyone look for leadership?
Connect to God, personally. Be a leader within your family and community. Purposely follow those who you trust. Most importantly, treat persons as individuals- don’t assume you know a person because you know some superficial thing about them.
America is 330,000,000 persons. Your description doesn’t describe many.
The psyops they’re pulling on us requires we buy into their collectivism. Please try to avoid it.
@@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Psyops? I'd just call it a kind of cultural hegemony to which the anglosphere is very responsive -- far too responsive. Perhaps especially the English. They've imported Americanism wholesale into news delivery, the media more widely, film, and I suppose this is understandable to an extent because the products of a dumbed-down culture industry are easier to sell than anything challenging, but the impact of it is appalling.
And I don't believe in "God".
Lew Reed
You have beliefs about how the universe and life began, I imagine.
If you do- those are questions of “god”
Collectivism concerning god was easily “their” first psyop.
@@-astrangerontheinternet6687 I'm afraid you've lost me.
Lew Reed
Then you must be a bot.
Humans question.
trauma?
Time to play a little game.
Bodhisattva
I only know of one person alive that can perform acts of faith. none of you know none at all. A few will show up next year but their power is darkness.
So you're the only one who knows this person? That's peculiar.
@@biocykle Not really he is hear as a witness only. After he leaves you will see him again after the 2 witnesses of power appear. There is only One Amen.
If you want enlightenment, do the washing up
spiritual emergency....what is that..... mean
there's no such thing a....spiritual emergency
or maybe this is a comic book.....mean to say is....any proof what jules evans....what he talkin about it's true
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More mushrooms for this guy, less “rational” thinking.
... I would like much more participation, or understanding of Indian, Asian and/or indigenous wisdom from Australia, Pacific Ocean islanders and Africans... they have had older linage of wisdom than Europe. Just to give a minute example. Nothing new about Jung. Aboriginals of Australia and especially continent of India have spoken about the significance of dreams... western culture, to a degree, arrogance, have cunningly hacked ancient wisdom... by doing so, it just shows another level of smitten ignorance by the west...