Just picked up monk to try to main a different healer for this expansion and your guides have been amazing. Still trying to work out my flow in dungeons but your guides have helped a ton with my understanding of how the class operates.
Such an amazing guide. THANK YOU! I finally feel like I have an understanding of the Mistweaver and I really enjoy playing it now. It took me a while to figure out what you meant by "stack" but I think its the TP -> BoK. Very informative and well structured guide.
Dude, thank you so much for this guide. Fist weaver monk was never this complicated in shadowlands. I feel like mistweaver is super good at topping off and just not letting people dip low. I get so stressed when multiple people start dipping and I have to prioritize who to keep alive. Its rough, but your guides have helped me understand so much. Thank you very much, meg
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been fistweaving since mists of pandaria, dropped it in bfa and picked it up again in shadowlands and now dragonflight! Your guide helped me get back into the swing of things after being away from Azeroth for a while. 💪🏾💕
Thank you so much for all your insight and the effort you went to to put this together for us. as a returning mistweaver from legion, I was absolutely stumped at all the new options but you've really helped me bridge the knowledge gap and overcome the fear of picking MW back up, so THANK YOU! At first I was super against faeline stomp. i hate the positional requirements, but after getting used to it, the effect it has on your ability to heal & deal damage at the same time is so fun! and with Chi Ji too?! OMG, incredible. Fistweaving is hard to manage, but so much fun! Thanks once again Sett, big fan. Love your work.
@@Megasett It's difficult to cover all types of color blindness, but using colors along with geometric shapes (or numbers) would also solve the problem. Thanks for answering, I love your videos !
I've been playing MW for ao long and always find your vids to be the best when it comes to new content and what changes for us MW. Keep it up!!! Looking forward to see more!!!
Thx for the great video, haven’t touched MW since SoO, mained either BM or WW until now. I was thinking about trying out MW this patch but man the secondary stat perfectly dodged the ones I’m using for BM/WW😂
Ancient Teachings randomness hasn't really been an issue considering we get so much out of it now with BoK cleave, if someone needs healing and the chance that AT has to miss them results in them dying, Vivify should have been used instead. AT isn't triage healing but it's maintenance healing. High mana usage is something we'll see later on in M+ but in raid it has been an incredible improvement from SL, and generally in M+ from beta it has not been an issue. We've become incredibly mana efficient with access to both Spirit of the Crane and Mana Tea
@@Megasett I was mainly thinking about Tyranical M+ weeks with one enemy. Those are my biggest weakness. I wish that AT was more than just maintenance healing because on those weeks i will have to drop some melee talents
So im trying to learn healing, but I've always been a melee dps. So i thought ooo melee healer! Thats gotta be my jam lol. Oooo boy was I wrong....healing is hard...maybe one day ill work up the courage to try again.
We never used RJW in keys and we are not going to be using it in raid now. It doesn't interact with anything else in our kit but also the higher RenM count we get from Rapid Diffusion & Dancing Mists makes Vivify more valuable, to the point that a single Vivify with enough RenM active will outheal RJW. Mana costs should also be taken into consideration.
I main restoration shaman, but I'm finally trying out this spec. Not saying I'll change my main, but it's fun so far, but still levelling, so still need to find out how it plays in DF :)
I main holy pala, but i started leveling MW monk and love them both Similar playstyles in a way they're both melee healers and have a lot of defensives, just that monk has more mobility But whichever one you pick you won't regret it
Great content as always Meg! Quick question: you mentioned in your Chi-Ji video that both Jade Bond and gift of the celestial can be used. When should one be prioritized over the other?
Hey! It usually depends on the dungeon, route, boss timers etc. for example the last boss of TJS works great with Gift because you'll have a celestial on every ad phase, but for the rest of the dungeon I prefer JB due to the high amounts of group-wide damage from trash. Luckily for that dungeon you can swap easily since it's small and the entrance is close to the last boss. Typically I'll make the decision on what the hardest thing in the dungeon is and go based off of that.
I love your videos, your guides are awesome. I've gone through the Vuhdo & weak auras and addons. I'm trying to understand the keybinds/macros you are using. Are you click casting healing spells via the Spell tab in Vuhdo? Am I missing your macros listed somewhere, that you are using in this video? Thanks again, great stuff!
Hey :) I might be blind but i was hoping you could make a guide for raid healing in dragonflight. I have mained mistweaver since beginning of bfa. Im doing 20+ keys with it and i really enjoy the spec. I really like your videos and the love your giving the class. // Jess
It feels like itl be Meta for 2v2... the damage to healing in pvp is insane I dont push keys but ill do the bare minimum to get the meta stats / Gear for PvP Even though the pvp gearing system has been dramitically simplified, The meta will still be doing PvE as well, Sadly I only have fun doing timewalking for pve content, personally
Thanks for the guides! Not a lot of quality monk content out there. I’m just starting to try mistweaver and I’m having a miserable time with it. Is the DPS portion of the healing only possible when the party isn’t taking unnecessary damage?
The healing we get from AT through damage is largely maintenance healing outside of CDs however during Chi-ji the Gusts we proc through the CD via BoK etc are HUGE and is the main healing from Chi-ji. The maintenance portion will feel better as we get more haste as we can get through the rotation faster thus getting more healing events from it. Non-maintenance healing (when people take unnecessary damage) will be a combination of Vivify+Viv cleave as well as things like EnvM with TFT
Sorry if I missed it in the video but what is "vivify cleave" and how do you execute it? Just got into mw as I liked the idea of healing in melee but I'm struggling to keep my party alive in dungeons
Vivify cleave is when targets with Renewing Mist also receive a bit of healing when Vivify is used even if they're not the target. It's a passive talent called Invigorating Mists
Thank you for the video Megasett! While healing in raid, do you use essence font on CD during periods of heavy raid damage, or do you always still wait for a full stack from upwelling?
I use with TFT when there's damage going out. Usually try to wait for some stacks of Upwelling but if I absolutely need to get healing out then you can just send it
It's super niche and I don't have it on my bars when I run Healing Elixir. For Expel Harm it's prio is 1. No Healing Elixir 2. No instant Viv 3. No RenM for Mas proc 4. No lockrock/health pot Then you can use EH. The talents you can take for it could put it above RenM in prio but it's still pretty meh
Sorry for my ignorance, I'm a Brewmaster main and I'm trying to learn the different aspects of Monk. Your guide is awesome, I was just wondering why would you never take Jade Serpent Statue? Would it not be free healing, or do you not use Soothing Mist enough to make it worth while?
Mostly that we don't use SooM enough to make it worth it but also numerically it underperforms when you could put the point into damage/defensive instead
Would be really usefull a revival spots list in the raid like the Tiger Lust/chi ji/diffuse magic one :D I know is a lot of work but just as a constructive comment. Thanks for your guides, really usefulls and complete. One last question, is worth to run refreshing Jade wind in any spot? thanks again
RJW is really bad now and unless they change the talent we'll never run it. And for Revival/dispelling it really depends on where your CDs have been assigned, that might be something I add onto later though!
Hello!!! Do you think for m+ we should use jade bond or gift of the celestials? Because jade bond increases our healing cd output a lot although 3 min is a lot for not having any strong cd, and gift of the celestials allow me to use it every minute. In this tyrannical week I've noticed I can´t keep my healing output in bosses that do aoe unavoidable damage with my cds because I can use revival and chiji but after those 2 if I don´t have at least one, My m+ party will die.
@@Megasett I have 20% and with haste food and rune I go to 22%. By the way, I've noticed that without sinester teachings, like especially this week I have to top my party always and then maintain with dps/healling, other wise I won´t be able to respond to sudden high burst damage withoutr revival. Like I had 3000 score last season and this week I feel incompetent :(
I think Zen pulse is underrated, in m+ even if I don't need the heal - I use it for DPS every pull. combined with SCK it does pretty large overall damage in m+ specifically when tanks doing large pulls and resonate fists is very good in m+ its typically second most damage done. I'm pretty happy with the amount of damage we can do in dungeons (considering its passive healing as well). -Beliieve
I think so too, i also use it every other Pull. I like to combination with Chi-Ji giving out free envelopings and after chiji ends you can get a double zen pulse out of you specced into it
If you're taking ZP I would also take Zen Reverb but I don't think ZP is default. I considered it situational based on it having more value in some dungeons vs others. Definitely looking forward to M+ again though so we can do more testing. Limited beta testing for M+ made it difficult to try everything
Picked up MW for the first time this expansion and find this guide to be really helpful to get started, thanks! Question: do you have any insights on black out kicking at 3 stacks of teachings of the monastery versus black out kicking on CD? I find black out kicking on CD to feel better, but I see some guides say the black out kick on 3 stacks. Advice?
To be honest I don't know the stats for something that doesn't exist. MW is never considered a ranged regardless of talents/position and will always receive melee mechanics. If you're looking for a more caster focused build (while still being in melee) it'd be int > haste > crit.
I dont know what im doing wrong but soothing mist does not let me insta vivify or env-mist on my party frames. It just stops channeling and i have to hard cast the other spells. Anyone else?
Your guide have been incredibly useful to me, coming back to WoW after a long break. Do you intend on showing off recommended talents and playstyles for PvP as well? Or is that not your focus this expansion?
Great video. I might try it again as I had fun in SL and was most fun I had as a healer outside of Disc. I ended up switching to another healer for higher keys (20+) because I just couldn't get the melee down with it, however, I loved the range part of it. Do you think it's a waste to even try to do range as a monk in this new xpac with how Melee helps with not only dmg but mana?
I would never recommend you try to play "ranged" MW in PVE content. We're considered melee and will receive melee mechanics and you give up too much of the toolkit by not being in melee.
@@Megasett yep that's what I figured. Thanks for the quick reply. I will try melee again. I really do like this spec and want to get it down well enough.
Hey I'm kind of new to MW, in raid should I ever be casting vivify, like if I don't have the free instant one, should I always soothing mist first then instant vivify? Or it's better to just cast it? Additionally should I be using essence font/stomp before damage goes out to set up the HoT before the dmg or right after the damage to make use of the initial heal too?
If you're casting more than 1 thing on the same person then it's good to SooM before, otherwise you can hard cast. EF hot should be applied before the damage goes out because a good portion of the healing you'll be doing in AoE damage is Gusts through the main Vivify target
What are you guys seeing for damage in M0? I ran a few the other day and the damage felt very negligible- less than half tank dps. I know healers are less damage oriented this expac but preservation evokers seem to be doing much more damage, with less complexity, while putting themselves in less danger.
Right now it mostly depends on group/gear, but typically anywhere from 17-26k overall is what I've seen. Presevoker is going to be performing a bit higher than everyone else and that's intentional as they're a main attraction to the expansion -- it'd be weird to release a new class and then have it be bad. Though I agree it's less complex and generally more boring in my opinion
Thank you for this guide! I have been mistweaving since 8.1, thought I was pretty decent, then somehow lost my way a little at the start of DF and have been feeling like I can't quite make the hps checks in dungeons; but I think a few talent adjustments might help. Plus you're the first person I've seen encouraging the use of soothing mist, which I used to do a lot but got trained/bullied out of by other guides telling me it was a noob button that only bad MWs ever press! I will put it back into my regular setup and see how it goes :') (I am taking double torpedo charges though! That 2nd charge is my main defensive :D) You mentioned that the choice of Chi Ji being frequent+weak or infrequent+strong would vary by dungeon and raid boss - could you share a bit a about what you'd be considering when choosing between the two?
We like to meme on SooM because it's a little bit of a clunky ability but it absolutely is useful especially for ST healing! When choosing between Gift or JB it usually depends on dungeon/route/key level. TJS is my favorite example because I will run JB for the entire dungeon due to the large packs that deal lots of aoe damage + have cleave targets and we benefit from the extra Gust from JB but for the last boss I will swap to Gift for celestial for every ad phase. Basically if I feel like there's a moderate amount of damage that I could benefit from gift for mana saving/frequency of minute bird then I go gift. For JB if there's particular bosses/packs I feel I need the extra throughput from JB then I'll take that
Thanks, I also noticed you put font of life as a must pick talent for M+ but that faeline stomp will accomplish what essence font does for us in M+, would we not get more use out of uplifted spirits in this case or the occasion we will use essence font in M+ is still worth it? Unless font of life is effecting the essence font bolt created by our faeline stomp?
Just something else I noticed I’m not sure you mentioned chi burst or chi wave in the video, is this just something we have to pick to get to better talents or should this be included in our rotation? And which to pick out of chi wave or burst?
Paralysis is a soft CC like Blind, hunter's Freezing Trap, Hex/Polymorph etc. which means they're immobilized but will still trigger combat if you get too close. Things like Sap and Imprison are hard CC and prevent combat from being triggered while they're CC'd. Paralysis + RoP can be used in almost every situation where you're looking to skip by just using Paralysis and knocking the mob far away with RoP.
Maybe I missed it, there was a lot of info in this video. I find it odd no one recognizes using essence font for a group-wide heal off an RSK. Tea for a quick font then RSK for a group heal. Upwelling then gets early build-up time for a future font casting
@Megasett I don't see why you wouldn't use it when your 5 man has taken a lot of damage seems like an easy way to get the group back on track. I tend to pug a lot of my runs so maybe my experience is based on that, but people don't move out of damage and it's the only way I can keep groups alive
For me Vivify cleave has proven more efficient but if you find it works for you then go for it - these talent builds are all just what I would run and aren’t by any means the *only* thing to play
Hi there! Do you happen to have any thoughts or impressions about the MW changes in the Patch 10.0.5 ptr notes that were released a couple of hours ago? Regarding the new talents (ie. Sheilun's Gift, Lesson of Fear/Despair/Anger etc)
A few people brought this up a while ago, I think we decided that shapes/numbers would work better than colors so I'll be doing it differently next time!
Oh boy is this not how i play mistweaver. Im trash at using that build. Will be trying it again when i get to a higher gear level, but currently using thje talents that make it more like a traditional caster, which I assume is inferior.
MW feels *really* bad without Haste right now, it will get better with gear. And yes MW is not a traditional healer and playing it in that way will be less efficient but doable to a certain extend
Hello Megasett, ive been playing my mistweaver for a few weeks now, and i have a question: Im having a hard time "fistweaving" by either not outputting enough damage, or doing too much dps and forgetting to heal. Is there a build for traditional "mistweaving" in dragonflight? if so, could you recommend some talents to take?
Mistweaver is not a traditional healer and the attempt to play it that way would be more trouble than it's worth, it would never compete with the intended playstyle
@Megasett hmm other than the tips in your video, do you have any others for someone struggling to maintain focus on both dps and healing at the same time? Maybe a UI or weak aura?
Upwelling is very good in raid when paired with TFT due to the reduced cast time. It can have niche uses in keys but it’s unlikely I’d ever use it in M+
@@Megasett So does it just essentially doubles everything? Bolts, healing, cd? So instead of having to waste mana on it you get the same effectiveness at half the amount of casts?
Thoughts on not running Faeline Stomp and going soothing mists? I can see some iffy pulls due to it pulling mobs in M+ ? Returning M Raider much might have changed since I last played
@@Megasett Any theorycraft behind this? I've been runing Soothing mists builds instead of FLS and I was able to save runs from big mistakes by doing tons of cleave healing with Unison + Tear of Morning + Jade statue + EnvM and Viv with no need of a CD like Chi-ji/Yu'lon or Revival. I do lose quite some dmg but I'm pumping really hard without CDS. I'm pretty sure I would not have been able to save those runs with Faeline build. It feels like Faeline build is not very pug friendly
new meg video lets go boys
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Did you just assume my gender?!
@@irfanhekimoglu2294 stop being cringe for a meme
Just picked up monk to try to main a different healer for this expansion and your guides have been amazing. Still trying to work out my flow in dungeons but your guides have helped a ton with my understanding of how the class operates.
By FAR the best MW guide out there. I'm a dps main of ~12 years swapping to MW for the first time in DF. Thanks for being so detailed!
Love the lo-fi and chill vibes, so nice to listen and watch. And great info, so thorough thank you!
She is the best. I watch her videos/guides to learn mistweaver bettter and I've been playing monk since BFA. She is just amazing
Such an amazing guide. THANK YOU! I finally feel like I have an understanding of the Mistweaver and I really enjoy playing it now. It took me a while to figure out what you meant by "stack" but I think its the TP -> BoK. Very informative and well structured guide.
Yep! Teachings of the Monastery are what I'm referring to with stacks. I'm glad it was helpful!
Been looking forward to this! Thank you for all the hard work! Excited to main MW this tier!
Sorry for the delay!
@@Megasett No apologizes needed at all! You do amazing work and and thankful for any guide you put out!
Dude, thank you so much for this guide. Fist weaver monk was never this complicated in shadowlands. I feel like mistweaver is super good at topping off and just not letting people dip low.
I get so stressed when multiple people start dipping and I have to prioritize who to keep alive. Its rough, but your guides have helped me understand so much. Thank you very much, meg
lets GOOOOOO!!! thank u for the guide :D
So thankful for people like you
I really, really enjoyed this vid. Coming back after 4 years this helped me a lot. Thanks Meg ;-)
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been fistweaving since mists of pandaria, dropped it in bfa and picked it up again in shadowlands and now dragonflight! Your guide helped me get back into the swing of things after being away from Azeroth for a while. 💪🏾💕
I'm glad it was helpful! Welcome back to Azeroth 💙
This is legitemately one of the best guides i've ever seen, great job!
Thank you so much for all your insight and the effort you went to to put this together for us. as a returning mistweaver from legion, I was absolutely stumped at all the new options but you've really helped me bridge the knowledge gap and overcome the fear of picking MW back up, so THANK YOU!
At first I was super against faeline stomp. i hate the positional requirements, but after getting used to it, the effect it has on your ability to heal & deal damage at the same time is so fun! and with Chi Ji too?! OMG, incredible. Fistweaving is hard to manage, but so much fun!
Thanks once again Sett, big fan. Love your work.
Thank you for being informative and for inspiring me to play mistweaver again!
This guide is nuts. So much detail.
In the colors, you could choose the primary colors, I'm colorblind
Someone else suggested blue, yellow, and red. Do those work?
@@Megasett Yes!!
@@Megasett It's difficult to cover all types of color blindness, but using colors along with geometric shapes (or numbers) would also solve the problem. Thanks for answering, I love your videos !
Thank you! I'll keep this in mind for next time 💚
Was looking for mw guide, found mw crush. Also great guide ✌️
I've been playing MW for ao long and always find your vids to be the best when it comes to new content and what changes for us MW. Keep it up!!! Looking forward to see more!!!
Thank you! :D
Very Helpful, thanks for making all these videos. they're 'Life Saving' Literally
I'm glad they're helpful! ♥
Been waiting for this :) tyvm!
Sorry for the delay!
@@Megasett bruh! What an insanely good video. Im glad you took a bit more time (than you expected) because it really paid off. Ty!
Thx for the great video, haven’t touched MW since SoO, mained either BM or WW until now. I was thinking about trying out MW this patch but man the secondary stat perfectly dodged the ones I’m using for BM/WW😂
Insanely well done guide!
Thank you!
Been waiting for this for daaaaays
Sorry for the delay!
Nice video. There are two things that are keeping me from maining monk
1)The randomness of ancient teaching
2)Their high mana usage
Very easy fixes
Ancient Teachings randomness hasn't really been an issue considering we get so much out of it now with BoK cleave, if someone needs healing and the chance that AT has to miss them results in them dying, Vivify should have been used instead. AT isn't triage healing but it's maintenance healing.
High mana usage is something we'll see later on in M+ but in raid it has been an incredible improvement from SL, and generally in M+ from beta it has not been an issue. We've become incredibly mana efficient with access to both Spirit of the Crane and Mana Tea
@@Megasett I was mainly thinking about Tyranical M+ weeks with one enemy. Those are my biggest weakness. I wish that AT was more than just maintenance healing because on those weeks i will have to drop some melee talents
As someone that aims to play monk on the 3 specs, I wish we had 2 more of you, for windwalker and brewmaster :D
I unfortunately don't have much interest in our off-specs 😅 but I may pick either one of them up later in the xpac!
@@Megasett what do like playing for alts? out of curiosity
SCK + Faeline Stomp is the DREAM!!!!
all i ever wanted to get better at MW. Ty!
you're a gem, thank you so much for this guide!
super comprehensive and easy to follow thanks!!
Wow perfect guide early in the expansion Ty
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! THANKS MEG!
Sorry for the delay!
very educational content video so useful thank you! love from istanbul !
So im trying to learn healing, but I've always been a melee dps. So i thought ooo melee healer! Thats gotta be my jam lol. Oooo boy was I wrong....healing is hard...maybe one day ill work up the courage to try again.
These dungeons are pretty healer intensive, don't get discouraged!
The guide is good! But the presentation is too! Well paced.
Thank you!
Ty was close but didn't include the tornado can't wait to test that out. Thanks again.
What do you mean by tornado?
@@Megasett sorry refreshing jade wind
We never used RJW in keys and we are not going to be using it in raid now. It doesn't interact with anything else in our kit but also the higher RenM count we get from Rapid Diffusion & Dancing Mists makes Vivify more valuable, to the point that a single Vivify with enough RenM active will outheal RJW. Mana costs should also be taken into consideration.
@@Megasett ok good to know ty
ITS FINALLY HERE
Very nice guide
Very excellent guide!
Thanks meg!
I main restoration shaman, but I'm finally trying out this spec. Not saying I'll change my main, but it's fun so far, but still levelling, so still need to find out how it plays in DF :)
So good guide. Im doubting about main MW or holy pala, I just play M+, Halp! I LOVE heal through damage but im afraid to have a bad time healing +20.
I main holy pala, but i started leveling MW monk and love them both
Similar playstyles in a way they're both melee healers and have a lot of defensives, just that monk has more mobility
But whichever one you pick you won't regret it
@@vasilijamirkovic2104 I totally screwed, i finally mained resto shaman... Im always choosing the worst clases and the worst wives lol.
@@robroy01 I mean, rsham is pretty nice
Hmmm I main WW and this looks like the only healer I would probably consider playing.
this is gold, ty.
i would take the white tiger statue it increases ur dps quite a bit its doing around 7% of my damage in m0's atm
yep that's an option that was mentioned
Great content as always Meg! Quick question: you mentioned in your Chi-Ji video that both Jade Bond and gift of the celestial can be used. When should one be prioritized over the other?
Hey! It usually depends on the dungeon, route, boss timers etc. for example the last boss of TJS works great with Gift because you'll have a celestial on every ad phase, but for the rest of the dungeon I prefer JB due to the high amounts of group-wide damage from trash. Luckily for that dungeon you can swap easily since it's small and the entrance is close to the last boss. Typically I'll make the decision on what the hardest thing in the dungeon is and go based off of that.
@@Megasett Perfect! Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Been following you since early SL and I appreciate you helping Mistweavers out!
LETS GOOO!!! THANKS MEG!
I love your videos, your guides are awesome. I've gone through the Vuhdo & weak auras and addons. I'm trying to understand the keybinds/macros you are using. Are you click casting healing spells via the Spell tab in Vuhdo? Am I missing your macros listed somewhere, that you are using in this video? Thanks again, great stuff!
I only have 3 things bound into Vuhdo, left click Soom, right click RenM, and middle click Tiger's Lust. Everything else is a mouseover macro
Hell ya great stuff!
Hey :) I might be blind but i was hoping you could make a guide for raid healing in dragonflight. I have mained mistweaver since beginning of bfa. Im doing 20+ keys with it and i really enjoy the spec. I really like your videos and the love your giving the class. // Jess
Hey! I’ll be doing more raid oriented stuff as we head into 10.1
@@Megasett Thanks :) I look forward to it. I did fine in Shadowlands , cutting edge etc . But for some reason i cant get it to work in dragonflight :)
I just can't wrap my head around this spec i Love the aspect of it but I'm just having trouble with it.
I like the setup you have to keep track of vivfy, ancient teachings etc. What do you use?
Those are WAs and can be found on my Wago: wago.io/JqZhX7HZU
Hi Megatron!
cheers
Hi, love your videos, They are super helpful😁 how do i get those Weakauras on the right side of the the screen? They look so smooth🤩
Those weakauras are available on my wagio
@@Megasett Thank you meg, you are the best, hope your having a great weekend :)
It feels like itl be Meta for 2v2... the damage to healing in pvp is insane
I dont push keys but ill do the bare minimum to get the meta stats / Gear for PvP
Even though the pvp gearing system has been dramitically simplified, The meta will still be doing PvE as well, Sadly
I only have fun doing timewalking for pve content, personally
What addon is keeping track of your cool downs on your UI? Great video!
The one on the party frames is OmniCD, the ones on the right for my own personal buffs is my WA: wago.io/JqZhX7HZU
Thanks for the guides! Not a lot of quality monk content out there.
I’m just starting to try mistweaver and I’m having a miserable time with it. Is the DPS portion of the healing only possible when the party isn’t taking unnecessary damage?
The healing we get from AT through damage is largely maintenance healing outside of CDs however during Chi-ji the Gusts we proc through the CD via BoK etc are HUGE and is the main healing from Chi-ji. The maintenance portion will feel better as we get more haste as we can get through the rotation faster thus getting more healing events from it.
Non-maintenance healing (when people take unnecessary damage) will be a combination of Vivify+Viv cleave as well as things like EnvM with TFT
Great guide, just one question
Why shouldn't we use Invoker's Delight in m+?
Can use it in niche situations but it's not worth dropping Faeline stomp talents or RM for it in M+
Sorry if I missed it in the video but what is "vivify cleave" and how do you execute it? Just got into mw as I liked the idea of healing in melee but I'm struggling to keep my party alive in dungeons
Vivify cleave is when targets with Renewing Mist also receive a bit of healing when Vivify is used even if they're not the target. It's a passive talent called Invigorating Mists
@@Megasett Thanks for the reply! I'll give it a shot
nice video
Thank you for the video Megasett! While healing in raid, do you use essence font on CD during periods of heavy raid damage, or do you always still wait for a full stack from upwelling?
I use with TFT when there's damage going out. Usually try to wait for some stacks of Upwelling but if I absolutely need to get healing out then you can just send it
Hey Meg thanks for the video. Do you by chance know when you should press expel harm?
It's super niche and I don't have it on my bars when I run Healing Elixir. For Expel Harm it's prio is
1. No Healing Elixir
2. No instant Viv
3. No RenM for Mas proc
4. No lockrock/health pot
Then you can use EH. The talents you can take for it could put it above RenM in prio but it's still pretty meh
What do you think about the upcoming talent tree changes (Sheilun’s Gift, etc)?
Excited to see how it works with Shaohao's and REALLY looking forward to Revival finally scaling in 5mans
Thanks for this video, very informative. But one question, are you sure that paralyzes does not trigger combat, seem to remember otherwise
It does not trigger combat but it's a soft CC so you can walk too close and still aggro
@@Megasett a awesome thanks
Something seems wrong. I am following the spec talents in green but am not able to grab 1 in to secret infusion along with everything else.
Sorry for my ignorance, I'm a Brewmaster main and I'm trying to learn the different aspects of Monk. Your guide is awesome, I was just wondering why would you never take Jade Serpent Statue? Would it not be free healing, or do you not use Soothing Mist enough to make it worth while?
Mostly that we don't use SooM enough to make it worth it but also numerically it underperforms when you could put the point into damage/defensive instead
Quality video!
Thank you!
Would be really usefull a revival spots list in the raid like the Tiger Lust/chi ji/diffuse magic one :D I know is a lot of work but just as a constructive comment. Thanks for your guides, really usefulls and complete. One last question, is worth to run refreshing Jade wind in any spot? thanks again
RJW is really bad now and unless they change the talent we'll never run it. And for Revival/dispelling it really depends on where your CDs have been assigned, that might be something I add onto later though!
Hello!!! Do you think for m+ we should use jade bond or gift of the celestials? Because jade bond increases our healing cd output a lot although 3 min is a lot for not having any strong cd, and gift of the celestials allow me to use it every minute. In this tyrannical week I've noticed I can´t keep my healing output in bosses that do aoe unavoidable damage with my cds because I can use revival and chiji but after those 2 if I don´t have at least one, My m+ party will die.
Gift overall has been better but if you have less than about 20% haste I’d opt for Jade Bond
@@Megasett I have 20% and with haste food and rune I go to 22%. By the way, I've noticed that without sinester teachings, like especially this week I have to top my party always and then maintain with dps/healling, other wise I won´t be able to respond to sudden high burst damage withoutr revival. Like I had 3000 score last season and this week I feel incompetent :(
Hello, the second build in your Talent spreadsheet doesn´t seem to be working when I import it. Can you take a look at that? Thanks for the content!
I think Zen pulse is underrated, in m+ even if I don't need the heal - I use it for DPS every pull. combined with SCK it does pretty large overall damage in m+ specifically when tanks doing large pulls and resonate fists is very good in m+ its typically second most damage done. I'm pretty happy with the amount of damage we can do in dungeons (considering its passive healing as well). -Beliieve
I think so too, i also use it every other Pull. I like to combination with Chi-Ji giving out free envelopings and after chiji ends you can get a double zen pulse out of you specced into it
I personally find it underwhelming after giving it so many chances but I know a lot of people are a fan of it
I haven't used it in keys so maybe you are right, we will see next week :D
@@Megasett yea I wouldn't waste more than 1 point into it but any extra damage I can get to make the dungeon faster im all about it :D
If you're taking ZP I would also take Zen Reverb but I don't think ZP is default. I considered it situational based on it having more value in some dungeons vs others. Definitely looking forward to M+ again though so we can do more testing. Limited beta testing for M+ made it difficult to try everything
Good Video!
Are there any stats i can run in m+ and raid? And are there any caps i should try to reach?
Haste >> Crit/Vers, vers only for M+ when you're concerned with survivability, no caps atm
Great video! Quick question, what's the addon that displays your cooldowns with a descending bar on the right side?
Those are weakaura available on my wagio
@@Megasett yea i found them a minute or two ago, thanks! Great stuff.
Picked up MW for the first time this expansion and find this guide to be really helpful to get started, thanks! Question: do you have any insights on black out kicking at 3 stacks of teachings of the monastery versus black out kicking on CD? I find black out kicking on CD to feel better, but I see some guides say the black out kick on 3 stacks. Advice?
Should be using it at 2 stacks which is 1 TP if you're using the FLS talents
Would you say that a ranged mistweaver for raid would go int>haste> mast?
To be honest I don't know the stats for something that doesn't exist. MW is never considered a ranged regardless of talents/position and will always receive melee mechanics. If you're looking for a more caster focused build (while still being in melee) it'd be int > haste > crit.
Thanks for the guide. What does the (T) or (F) in the build spreadsheet indicate for the Gift/Jade Bond dungeon builds?
T is Tyrannical and F is Fortified
@@Megasett ooo, that makes sense. TY
I dont know what im doing wrong but soothing mist does not let me insta vivify or env-mist on my party frames. It just stops channeling and i have to hard cast the other spells. Anyone else?
Your guide have been incredibly useful to me, coming back to WoW after a long break.
Do you intend on showing off recommended talents and playstyles for PvP as well? Or is that not your focus this expansion?
Welcome back! I don’t pvp at all but I can suggest Mysticallx for mw pvp
@@Megasett Thanks for the recommendation
well ive been playing mistweaver completely wrong lmao
Great video. I might try it again as I had fun in SL and was most fun I had as a healer outside of Disc. I ended up switching to another healer for higher keys (20+) because I just couldn't get the melee down with it, however, I loved the range part of it. Do you think it's a waste to even try to do range as a monk in this new xpac with how Melee helps with not only dmg but mana?
I would never recommend you try to play "ranged" MW in PVE content. We're considered melee and will receive melee mechanics and you give up too much of the toolkit by not being in melee.
@@Megasett yep that's what I figured. Thanks for the quick reply. I will try melee again. I really do like this spec and want to get it down well enough.
Hey I'm kind of new to MW, in raid should I ever be casting vivify, like if I don't have the free instant one, should I always soothing mist first then instant vivify? Or it's better to just cast it?
Additionally should I be using essence font/stomp before damage goes out to set up the HoT before the dmg or right after the damage to make use of the initial heal too?
If you're casting more than 1 thing on the same person then it's good to SooM before, otherwise you can hard cast. EF hot should be applied before the damage goes out because a good portion of the healing you'll be doing in AoE damage is Gusts through the main Vivify target
What are you guys seeing for damage in M0? I ran a few the other day and the damage felt very negligible- less than half tank dps. I know healers are less damage oriented this expac but preservation evokers seem to be doing much more damage, with less complexity, while putting themselves in less danger.
Right now it mostly depends on group/gear, but typically anywhere from 17-26k overall is what I've seen. Presevoker is going to be performing a bit higher than everyone else and that's intentional as they're a main attraction to the expansion -- it'd be weird to release a new class and then have it be bad. Though I agree it's less complex and generally more boring in my opinion
I am deciding between MW and Hpal....
Both are doing well right now! I’m biased towards MW because I find it the most fun, performance aside
Thank you for this guide! I have been mistweaving since 8.1, thought I was pretty decent, then somehow lost my way a little at the start of DF and have been feeling like I can't quite make the hps checks in dungeons; but I think a few talent adjustments might help. Plus you're the first person I've seen encouraging the use of soothing mist, which I used to do a lot but got trained/bullied out of by other guides telling me it was a noob button that only bad MWs ever press! I will put it back into my regular setup and see how it goes :') (I am taking double torpedo charges though! That 2nd charge is my main defensive :D)
You mentioned that the choice of Chi Ji being frequent+weak or infrequent+strong would vary by dungeon and raid boss - could you share a bit a about what you'd be considering when choosing between the two?
We like to meme on SooM because it's a little bit of a clunky ability but it absolutely is useful especially for ST healing! When choosing between Gift or JB it usually depends on dungeon/route/key level. TJS is my favorite example because I will run JB for the entire dungeon due to the large packs that deal lots of aoe damage + have cleave targets and we benefit from the extra Gust from JB but for the last boss I will swap to Gift for celestial for every ad phase.
Basically if I feel like there's a moderate amount of damage that I could benefit from gift for mana saving/frequency of minute bird then I go gift. For JB if there's particular bosses/packs I feel I need the extra throughput from JB then I'll take that
@@Megasett Gotcha, thank you :)
so never played mw monk so you have to hit and dps to heal the group is that fistweaving ?
A majority of our healing overall comes from direct damage -> healing abilities as well as hot procs and extensions through our dps spells yes
Hi Meg, I’m still not clear when you would take Yu’lon over Chi’ji? in M+ or raids?
In M+, always Chi-ji. In raid, you can take Yu'lon if you have access to 2-3 Innervates -- I will personally never take Yu'lon in raid
Thanks, I also noticed you put font of life as a must pick talent for M+ but that faeline stomp will accomplish what essence font does for us in M+, would we not get more use out of uplifted spirits in this case or the occasion we will use essence font in M+ is still worth it? Unless font of life is effecting the essence font bolt created by our faeline stomp?
Font of Life is effected by the Faeline bolts yes
Thank you, love the guides :)
Just something else I noticed I’m not sure you mentioned chi burst or chi wave in the video, is this just something we have to pick to get to better talents or should this be included in our rotation? And which to pick out of chi wave or burst?
Are you using any addon for the player/target unitframe and raid/party frame?
Raid/party is Vuhdo, player/target is Elvui
Is my paralysis broken, as it always puts me in combat 😮💨
Paralysis is a soft CC like Blind, hunter's Freezing Trap, Hex/Polymorph etc. which means they're immobilized but will still trigger combat if you get too close. Things like Sap and Imprison are hard CC and prevent combat from being triggered while they're CC'd.
Paralysis + RoP can be used in almost every situation where you're looking to skip by just using Paralysis and knocking the mob far away with RoP.
Maybe I missed it, there was a lot of info in this video. I find it odd no one recognizes using essence font for a group-wide heal off an RSK. Tea for a quick font then RSK for a group heal. Upwelling then gets early build-up time for a future font casting
Upwelling is used in raid with TFT yes but not in M+ as we very rarely use EF
@Megasett I don't see why you wouldn't use it when your 5 man has taken a lot of damage seems like an easy way to get the group back on track. I tend to pug a lot of my runs so maybe my experience is based on that, but people don't move out of damage and it's the only way I can keep groups alive
For me Vivify cleave has proven more efficient but if you find it works for you then go for it - these talent builds are all just what I would run and aren’t by any means the *only* thing to play
i feel like I have way too many buttons, i have 26 keybinds and i feel like i utilize them all in mythic+ or raid.
Question for someone who went Zandalari for their monk... What Loa do you recommend?
Don't really think there's a bad choice except for movement speed, we don't really need additional movement
Hi there! Do you happen to have any thoughts or impressions about the MW changes in the Patch 10.0.5 ptr notes that were released a couple of hours ago? Regarding the new talents (ie. Sheilun's Gift, Lesson of Fear/Despair/Anger etc)
Revival is a good change for sure, Sheilun's is TBD
Nice guide. But your talent tree coloring is quite difficult for people with red/green color vision deficiency!
A few people brought this up a while ago, I think we decided that shapes/numbers would work better than colors so I'll be doing it differently next time!
Oh boy is this not how i play mistweaver. Im trash at using that build. Will be trying it again when i get to a higher gear level, but currently using thje talents that make it more like a traditional caster, which I assume is inferior.
MW feels *really* bad without Haste right now, it will get better with gear. And yes MW is not a traditional healer and playing it in that way will be less efficient but doable to a certain extend
hello! where could i find your wa for tracking all ur buff etc? ty (some of the right side of ur character)
docs.google.com/document/d/1OlDnRijqC6FRJjm8e0h1fHbmrW6BdpB2JT4nvqROtnQ/edit everything is in here (:
Hello Megasett, ive been playing my mistweaver for a few weeks now, and i have a question: Im having a hard time "fistweaving" by either not outputting enough damage, or doing too much dps and forgetting to heal. Is there a build for traditional "mistweaving" in dragonflight? if so, could you recommend some talents to take?
Mistweaver is not a traditional healer and the attempt to play it that way would be more trouble than it's worth, it would never compete with the intended playstyle
@Megasett hmm other than the tips in your video, do you have any others for someone struggling to maintain focus on both dps and healing at the same time? Maybe a UI or weak aura?
Just FYI your color coding is really hard to understand for red green color blind folks (10% of men). Blue yellow red would be much easier to discern
Noted, thank you!
@@Megasett Np! thanks for the great content!
How good is upwelling? I've been debating not taking it over some other talents.
Upwelling is very good in raid when paired with TFT due to the reduced cast time. It can have niche uses in keys but it’s unlikely I’d ever use it in M+
@@Megasett So does it just essentially doubles everything? Bolts, healing, cd? So instead of having to waste mana on it you get the same effectiveness at half the amount of casts?
the EF hot will only double Gusts of Mists
Thoughts on not running Faeline Stomp and going soothing mists? I can see some iffy pulls due to it pulling mobs in M+ ? Returning M Raider much might have changed since I last played
I wouldn't recommend it, Faeline is a huge part of our build in M+ and in raid. Not having it would be a big hindrance
@@Megasett thanks appreciate your answer
@@Megasett Any theorycraft behind this? I've been runing Soothing mists builds instead of FLS and I was able to save runs from big mistakes by doing tons of cleave healing with Unison + Tear of Morning + Jade statue + EnvM and Viv with no need of a CD like Chi-ji/Yu'lon or Revival.
I do lose quite some dmg but I'm pumping really hard without CDS.
I'm pretty sure I would not have been able to save those runs with Faeline build.
It feels like Faeline build is not very pug friendly