As a Yorkshire fan it’s shocking and all around disappointing. As Nass said, how can you claim a player had been bullied and racially abused, and then come out later calling it ‘banter’. The handling of the situation has been atrocious, shameful day for YCCC.
@@jackkennedy4332 yeah it's gutting really, the only upside is that things can only improve from here internally. Hopefully a new and more competent board being in place can get it right on and off the field and these issues can be dealt with properly and we can move forward as a club
In terms of reading of the game, definitely yes . Simon doull , Ian bishop and Zaheer khan are also brilliant cricket minds whom I like to listen to . Where's bumble gone then ? Haven't seen him for some time now, retired?
I'm from Yorkshire and as a kid absolutely loved cricket, played for my school team and local club and was encouraged by both to go to a trial at Yorkshire but after talking to family and friends who were familiar with Yorkshire we knew I wouldn't get a fair crack and my parents didn't want me exposed to that environment. An open secret in the Asian community in Yorkshire back in the days
gutted for you mate, EVERYONE deserves fair treatment. If you love a club, as I do with Essex, I just want the most talented to be playing, EVERYTHING else is secondary.
Salam yes being a British azad kashmir pakistani in England we are part of 1.2 million population here, and pakistanis have the most player percentage representation here than any other Asian country, especially yorkshire which is the heart of our community . Therefore I feel we are part of the ecb fraternity, and racism still went on as banter, finally azeem rafiq getting his fair doos. Love your cricket videos, Allah Hafiz.
Cricket (and sport) are so far behind. In the vast majority of offices and workplaces you would be dismissed for gross misconduct for saying such a thing, once an investigation has been carried out. It's not even a discussion.
The p & n words are hate words & the first words used when white men and women instigate a violent attack upon us. This kind of abuse & a “moral superiority complex” to act like this is bourne out of centuries of enslavement, torture and genocide.
I wish growing up we knew about the struggles the likes of Nasser went through being of Asian origin… it would have helped me certainly appreciate him more… Athers and Nasser are a dream team Nass, is spot on - I really only started England properly once the likes of Jordon, Moeen and Rashid were able to play for England being themselves… ECB has set a great example for all of cricket and society to follow..
The MCC and then the ECB have been historically at the heart of racism in the English game. On the 70s when the whole world was boycotting SA they were busy trying to integrate white South African players into their teams.
@@eyecontrol4900 It’s strange that this has all blown up now before the employment tribunal has reported. It’s almost as if someone is trying to influence the outcome using the court of public opinion.
Time for the rot to come out….you don’t get to decide when someone is being attacked due to their race if they have a right to be hurt or not.. as the insulters you don’t get to the luxury to “whitewash” it as banter..when it’s someone’s race that’s fundamental and it’s not “just a laugh”…if this isn’t racism, I don’t know what is
@@Amn1988 Indeed. But if one mate says stop, then it should stop, surely. Even if they don't, if they're actually mate, you won't want to run the risk of actually hurting them. To call an Asian a p-word and not assume, at some point, that it may cut deep, is incredibly naive.
This isn't just about cricket. I'll be honest. This is an issue that young British paksiatni men are facing day in and day out in the North of England. Day in and day out. Its not confined to Yorkshire cricket club. Its a social issue. Especially embedded deep in the North- specifically against British pakistani men.
@@mick6370 none of us know the context either and I find it hard to believe that this cricketer kept coming in to training and was getting abused everyday. Banter can be brutal in dressingrooms but it builds character. I think the trouble nowadays is people just want to cry about things. Being a victim has become trendy.
They sit there in moral judgement when they, as former England captains have perpetuated the undoubted bullying that goes on elite sporting dressing rooms. They sit there enjoying an international cricket tournement where at least one team represents a country that has one of the worst human rights records in the world. But they and the rest of the cricketing establisment are happy to look the other way until something like this surfaces, then they sit there holding their noses as they are up to their oxters in hypocrisy. Just as the establishment did in 1969 until under the shear weight of press and media criticism the MCC withdrew from the planned tour of South Africa.
I play in Surrey and was regularly asked (by the same groups of morons at my club) whether I should be drinking my pint of beer. I spoke up this season and it's stopped now but to your point - it does happen at every level.
@@thamananm3159 might have to do with the 20 thousand young girls abused for being white, not some mean words to a professional sportsman, the comment section is full of signalling eunachs who would sell their homeland for a few virtue tokens
@Nathan Wright he may not have said it, true but now Rana Naveed Ul Hassan is saying he can confirm he said it. Although that doesn't prove he said it, it starting to ring alarm bells now.
It would be refreshing if at least one commentator admitted they’d heard racial abuse in the dressing but didn’t nothing about it, Yorkshire won’t be the only county guilty of such things.
It's very naive and outdated thinking rather than crazy. Some of what happened was considered banter between people who were and are best friends. The problem is, if that is overheard and taken the wrong way by others, then you are still in the wrong. That message will soon get through. The bottom line is that even with everybody consenting and enjoying it, you still cannot do it.
@@arwald.1917 No you arent. Your national cricket and football team has loads of ethnic minority players. The teams would be crap without them. The shortage of lorry drivers has already caused a crises in your small island due to the europeans going. Imagine what would happen if the rest of the immigrants went?
Absolutely agreed with Athers and Nas here. Really sad with yorks and this Azeem Rafiq situation. Hope Raf can come up from this dilemma and leave the yorkshire. Really hope Gary Ballance also understands his mistake and rectifies it ASAP.
Gary Ballance didn't make a 'mistake'. He committed a crime, articulated as unlawful in British law. Ballance and Yorkshire Cricket Club must be punished with the harshest of punishments to be made an example of. Rafiq should be inserted onto Yorkshire Cricket Club board to help create the future.
@@samsammsammm1547 The poor man nearly took his own life because of the situation. I don't think he'll want anything to do with YCCC after all this is over
total respect for atherton/nasser loved them as cricketers and coming from asain background i can say they were players i looked up to in the England team and were role models and sportsman i inspired to be like and it was a dream of mine that i wanted to captain England one day to. But unfortunately after a taking 8 wickets for 34 runs in 5 overs for my local team in a final where there were various scouts from different counties watching the tournament and not getting picked by any of them for trials when i was player of the tournament and man of match in the final and then finding out the 4 players that were selected had performed so bad through out the tournament but had family members playing for these counties and came from white privileged family so got selected. My family told me i had gone far enough and that they couldn't afford to send me to these tournaments anymore when it was so obvious no matter how well i did I wouldn't get a chance, i dont know if it was racism and i dont want to make such a claim but i always thought if i was white and performed that well would i have got a chance but i gave up and it still hurts to this day as i just could not explain why i didn't get selected and doubted my ability but only god and scouts know why i didn't get selected. i have to mention Arnie sidebottom absolute fantastic bloke he helped me so much and the asain community in Yorkshire in the 90s and wanted me to continue but deep down he even knew i had no chance of getting any where even though in his own words i was faster baller than mullay his son ryan and caddick at just the age of 18 but i hope all this media attention on racism gives other ethnic minorities a platform to have careers in cricket now and produce more players like moeen, rashid, jordan, mills, archer etc
You racially abuse and harass someone and call it banter??? The nerve, I hope they get all what they deserve... Very badly handled by ECB, absolutely shameful for the cricket community 😕
@@jahglory7815 could be that. But then if one of the accused comes out and admits it happened… Trying to hide it under the label of friendly banter just reminds me of the Alf Garnet types. “I’m just having a laaaaarf”
This is now the second example of "young" cricketers using abusive language. There is no excuse for any such behaviour and there now needs to be an effective discrimination/abuse education programme for all young cricketers including all schools feeding cricketers into the County system.
2 gem of a souls there. One thing to note is the respect they have for each other, you can by the eye contact throughout with each other and the tone of their discussions. Huge respect.
Huge respect to both Nass and Athers...Nass is spot on here. Glad ECB is taking action and sponsors cancelling contracts. Yorkshire club should be banned for 2 years or should be relegated, untill they sort this stuff at grass root level at all age groups.
As someone who in her mid 50s still carries the scars of being called a p?? i, relating to country of origin in school. It hurts and haunts me It is not banter.... I a more proud now of England when my children can stand up for themselves. Back then it was brutal
Amazing answers from Nasser Hussain. Respect for Atherton .. love the answer and question posted to them . I am a Sri Lankan 🇱🇰 and now a British national and this happened to my own mother land ; cos of religious names and background some of th e talents was overseen.. sadly it’s a true reflection on the cricket around the world especially in sub continent countries. Give chance on merit and talent.. India 🇮🇳 Pakistan 🇵🇰 Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 and Bangladesh 🇧🇩 look out for talent and there are Plenty….. your country should represent every minority of people and you will show others a clear message.. the message is “ we value and nurture talent .”
closing statement by Nasser hit the nail on the head, that is exactly why South Asian English cricketers do not progress well enough.!!! Well done to both you and Sky Sports for raising the awareness.
Could listen to both talk about any topic in cricket, but especially serious issues in cricket, Athers is a fantastic broadcaster/journalist and Nass just compliments him, great stuff guys
Rana Naved from Pakistan has spoken up and is willing to provide evidence, it's been quite sad that England international Adil Rashid has stayed quiet throughout this period. He has a role to play in this and needs to shoulder that responsibility and important sporting figures have done so in the past and continue to do so now, e.g. Marcus Rashford. It is also important for white players to be open and transparent. But bigger than all this is that there needs to be systemic change at YCCC.
Nasser hit the nail on the head, and what he said reminded me of being at school. If you are seen as different for any reason, then you are picked on, even for the stupidest reason.
Listening to TMS about 4 summers ago and India were putting together a 100+ lower order partnership to turn the game. Henry B said it reminded him of them doing similar in the early 60's in Calcutta and he named the two players from back in the day. Vaughan interjects 'they sound like a couple of good curries'.....Nothing else to add....
This actually rings a bell. It maybe longer than 4 summers ago tho. It could’ve been during the 2018 Test Series vs India (Alistair Cooks swan song) but Blowers retired from TMS in 2017. But I do recall Vaughan making some idiotic slurry comment about curries live on TMS.
How well do these guys speak - if you ever want to listen to a debate or get a visual representation of what an “argument” should sound like - listen to these two. Top class
This kind of racism is like a pack mentality thing. Picking on the person who is different and vulnerable just to make your mates think you’re ‘one of the lads’. This branch of toxic masculinity is hopefully slowly dying out with the new generation holding older ones to account .
The whole truth is starting to come out. Didn't like Kane Williamson coming to Yorkshire cos Vaughan said he could also bowl off spin. But Williamson is a batsman only, wrong Azeem. Now we start to see why not all your complaints were upheld and now Hutton's gone it'll be squeaky bum time at the ECB.
You will not understand, this is how it is for blacks and Asians in UK, we just keep going, maybe you would be happy if he just gave up his space for a white person.
Any Asian lads who have played I the leagues around Yorkshire will tell you how rife racism is. Grey Preston is one of the worst places for it back in the 90s
Problm is he was not abused. He was Calld by that name but it's not racially motivated. M brown my nick name is Browny. Lots of people has the same name. It was just the name like Kalicharan or Kaluvitarna.
@@Dawood.Pervez whn he said that he is uncomfortable he is never called by that. He never talkd about it before. There are lots of same color cricketers in IPL no one said that to anyone. My be he was comfortable before but not with time. Don't change the meaning of Racism if someone snatch your opportunity and stops you doing something you wants to cuz of your color, race or faith that's Racism.
Very well said Both sides of the story. Yorkshire has handled this very bad. I play cricket in West Yorkshire and i have not seen 1 young black cricketer in 6yrs of playing representing any of the clubs. They Asian have continued to play inspite the whole bias toward selecting them for the national team.. Jafra Archer was jus very fortunate to be picked bcuz of his obvious talent while representing the West Indies. Clearly Yorkshire handling of this is a reflection of how alot of people in the higher eshlong of society view people of ethnic minority. Its clear they can't hide anymore the whole board shud resign immediately.
One of the few times Yorkshire stepped up at T20 when Rafiq was captain. I enjoyed watching his team play, he got more out of them than Gale. Questions to answer on both sides, things have obviously gone on but after leaving the club why go back for second helpings if it was that bad? And the man reduced you to tears every time so of course you invite him to your wedding? Come on all the facts need to be out and laid bare. It's abhorrent and hopefully the long needed clear out at the club will happen.
I was an asian in a white-majority school. Azeem Rafiq's story is very relatable. All I can say is that I went to great lengths to tolerate racial banter and keep pretending everything is fine and make repeated attempts to do things that I perceived would make me fit in more and accepted as one of your own rather than be seen as different all the time. So yes you would invite people to weddings because you'd view it as an opportunity to get closer to them, because if one of them makes it easier to fit in with them, it might have a knock on effect and make your life easier.
@@zane6505 I'm truly sorry to hear that Zane. I hope by taking the time to reply to me you noted that I did try to word my thoughts carefully. I never tried to excuse or deny anything went on, I do strongly believe everything needs to come out from both sides for the benefit of everyone. Only then can there be a clean slate.
The point from Atherton re the full report is important as lots of speculation and judgement being made without all the facts. YCC needs modernization to represent its cricket community with is a mix. The board should resign
Person A accused person B of racism, person B said he didn't do anything, person B was found guilty in the court of public opinion, it's called hanging them before the trial
On one hand I am disgusted by this story but on other hand take comfort from the fact that majority is unwilling to tolerate any form of racism. As a society we are moving to a better place.
Good luck with this. South Africa are still waiting (120 years and counting) for some sort of acknowledgement from the UK that the British concentration camps of the South African War were just not cricket.
Totally agree that discrimination is wrong, whether that be based on gender, race or some other factor. Nasser Hussain, however, about 4 minutes in suggests it is OK to have "banter" on colour of hair, size of nose and other not specified areas. I'm sure a person with ginger hair would feel as discriminated against as one with darker (or lighter) skin tone. So I would hope for clarification from Sky Sports on what they class as discrimination!
I remember Frank Lampard saying the one thing he dosn miss as a player is the so called banter in the dressing room. I think Yorkshire are getting a hard rap for this. What sort of sanction were they supposed to take against individuals based on the word of one person. It would be a legal nightmare.
It's disgusting! Judging deccades old comments by today's standards. Is it possible for somebody with brown skin to be a victim of bullying but not racial harrassment?
Yes it is possible . But not if their called racists terms at the time . It’s racism then. And as for judging by today’s standards ….you would hope it would be considered wrong at all times. Your not on the Yorkshire cricket board by any chance are you
Racism actually hurts..if u r someone known atleast ur voice is heard..if not that happens everyday and ppl forget and that ache in the heart and stain stays..I know the ones saying don't mean to hurt that bad and they don't know that hurts.. but it does guys
Such a shame that this game is about “Balls” yet none of them have them to speak up!! Be honest and have some integrity and stand up for your fellow teammate Azeem! Grow some!!
I was employed as a scorer by a Yorkshire club for over 40 years. Each club were allowed to employ 2 pro's, they came from various parts of the world, from Pakistan to India and beyond. I never once saw racism of any kind, in fact players went out of their way to make overseas players welcome.
If you didn't saw it or you never experienced it doesn't mean it never happened!! That's at best a lame excuse & trying to brush aside the issue instead of rectifying those mistakes. Just like Hitler killed Jews but you & I didn't witnessed that personally but it did happened! Isn't?
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Could listen to Athers and Nasser talk all day
Yeah but I bet you couldn’t watch them bat all day… zzz
You need to get out more
I'm seeing a Nas-hers podcast coming
Yea mate totally agree, I have mad respect for both of them.💯👊
@@rosbifaprague only if it was Nass @ Egbaston 1997 & Ath JoBurg 1995 😁
As a Yorkshire fan it’s shocking and all around disappointing. As Nass said, how can you claim a player had been bullied and racially abused, and then come out later calling it ‘banter’. The handling of the situation has been atrocious, shameful day for YCCC.
Feel bad for Yorkshire fans here. You've been robbed of international cricket and a top tier reputation by a self-serving club.
@@jackkennedy4332 yeah it's gutting really, the only upside is that things can only improve from here internally. Hopefully a new and more competent board being in place can get it right on and off the field and these issues can be dealt with properly and we can move forward as a club
because it was probably banter.
Are you shocked at any other racism in many Yorkshire towns?
@@eeesh5600 suffered much racism have ya mate?
Sky, you did good in giving these two a platform. The two best commentators in cricket, bar none.
Two of them with Michael Holding. I can listen all day
SKY...
HAS DOUBLE STANDARDS...
LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER..
Don't forget bumble, Harsha and Ian Chappell and a personal underated favourite of mine Ian Smith :)
In terms of reading of the game, definitely yes . Simon doull , Ian bishop and Zaheer khan are also brilliant cricket minds whom I like to listen to .
Where's bumble gone then ? Haven't seen him for some time now, retired?
Seriously how good are these two?! Absolutely spot on as per usual.
I'm from Yorkshire and as a kid absolutely loved cricket, played for my school team and local club and was encouraged by both to go to a trial at Yorkshire but after talking to family and friends who were familiar with Yorkshire we knew I wouldn't get a fair crack and my parents didn't want me exposed to that environment. An open secret in the Asian community in Yorkshire back in the days
That is so sad.... There loss
I’m from Yorkshire if you fancy a knockabout in the New Year I know some nets week and get access to.
Joe root is yorkshireman and once he mocked hashim amla and eventually was punched by warner
gutted for you mate, EVERYONE deserves fair treatment. If you love a club, as I do with Essex, I just want the most talented to be playing, EVERYTHING else is secondary.
Lets hope this whole episode will bring about wholesale changes
Very tough, sensitive subject. Tackled excellently by these 2 guys
These guys are wise beyond their sport
Nasser Hussein is a boss.
As an eighty year old I believe this country is becoming a nation of puttie arseholes.
@David Rosenberg how do you feel about the Y world being used?
@@AH-hz5xc yeah I remember he put Ravi shastri in his place lmao
Two of the most well spoken people with a good and balanced head on their shoulders. Always love hearing their take.
Salam yes being a British azad kashmir pakistani in England we are part of 1.2 million population here, and pakistanis have the most player percentage representation here than any other Asian country, especially yorkshire which is the heart of our community . Therefore I feel we are part of the ecb fraternity, and racism still went on as banter, finally azeem rafiq getting his fair doos. Love your cricket videos, Allah Hafiz.
Cricket (and sport) are so far behind. In the vast majority of offices and workplaces you would be dismissed for gross misconduct for saying such a thing, once an investigation has been carried out. It's not even a discussion.
Gary Ballance has made all the institutions he was associated with proud of him.
Completely true.. though other high profile people retain their jobs for such language.
So 31 people obviously think "p*ki" is just banter!
And they probably share a single brain cell between them, Bless!
Who would have thought the County team of Vaughan and Boycott would hold such dodgy views
The Team of Boycott? Not surprised at all.
I would, and it won’t surprise me a bit ..
Boycott ur comment is laughable everybody knows boycott how he was
@@anonymous-op3zp why post it twice lol
The p & n words are hate words & the first words used when white men and women instigate a violent attack upon us. This kind of abuse & a “moral superiority complex” to act like this is bourne out of centuries of enslavement, torture and genocide.
I wish growing up we knew about the struggles the likes of Nasser went through being of Asian origin… it would have helped me certainly appreciate him more… Athers and Nasser are a dream team
Nass, is spot on - I really only started England properly once the likes of Jordon, Moeen and Rashid were able to play for England being themselves… ECB has set a great example for all of cricket and society to follow..
The MCC and then the ECB have been historically at the heart of racism in the English game. On the 70s when the whole world was boycotting SA they were busy trying to integrate white South African players into their teams.
@Mobile Phone here. Have a kleenex. 😢
Nice to see the comments in a cricket video not being racist. Football comments are not the same unfortunately.
Different game, different culture champ
The mentality of a cricket fan is different to a football fan. Football is very tribal. Cricket, besides a small minority, is very respectful
@@stevendonovan7564 this is why Pakistanis are all going into boxing now. More independent sports
Michael Vaughan is usually very vocal. The silence is deafening.
Because he is implicated in the report mate
British Pakistanis have experienced this abuse all our lives.
Finally, they are listening.
A bit late!
@David Rosenberg with your surname, I guess your a member of ethnic minority that uses the race card as a sport?
@@tmanrx7 is banter a race card. Really.?
Michael Vaughan is surprisingly quiet on this topic, usually, he has a say on issues such as why the earth is circling around the sun.
Read tonight’s Telegraph
Vaughani himself has been accused
Rana naved just backed up Rafiq's claim that Vaughan said something offensive
@@eyecontrol4900 It’s strange that this has all blown up now before the employment tribunal has reported. It’s almost as if someone is trying to influence the outcome using the court of public opinion.
Time for the rot to come out….you don’t get to decide when someone is being attacked due to their race if they have a right to be hurt or not.. as the insulters you don’t get to the luxury to “whitewash” it as banter..when it’s someone’s race that’s fundamental and it’s not “just a laugh”…if this isn’t racism, I don’t know what is
As a working-class male and former serviceman. Banter can be quite brutal and hurtful in many situations. It's a real difficult subject to deal with.
@@Amn1988 Indeed. But if one mate says stop, then it should stop, surely. Even if they don't, if they're actually mate, you won't want to run the risk of actually hurting them. To call an Asian a p-word and not assume, at some point, that it may cut deep, is incredibly naive.
@@Amn1988 What happens when your 'mate' changes his view and you've already said these things on record. Because that is what pretty-much happened.
Kudos Nasser & Atherton for standing against the racism and with the players of South Asian origin.
Now can we address the grooming gang scandal facing yourshire from south Asian men of Pakistani origin 👌
@@PoldarkGodzilla yes, speak to the Pakistani community about it
@@PoldarkGodzilla You mean the dozens of people who have been already arrested?
This isn't just about cricket. I'll be honest. This is an issue that young British paksiatni men are facing day in and day out in the North of England. Day in and day out. Its not confined to Yorkshire cricket club. Its a social issue. Especially embedded deep in the North- specifically against British pakistani men.
And what is that?? Just a curious question
To be fair groups of British Pakistani men from Rotherham and the likes may have added to this on their own
TBH! They also played a part! You can't clap with only one hand it needs two!
the 33 board members disliked this video lol
nah im not a board member
Nass and atherrton. Thank you for you existing in cricket. Your precious little piece on everything goes a long way for a lot of us.
Yeah because Pakistan is such a welcoming and peaceful country.
@@indysingh4552theres no racists in Pakistan.......😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never understood racism. We should be curious to learn about what makes us different, not show hostility for the differences.
spot on
You can look at it the other way and look at what brings us together, not what makes us different
People don't like what they don't understand. Ultimately that's what all bigotry stems from
@@HM13895--cringe take.
It's natural for one that loves who they are to be hostile to what is different. Racial separation is the solution.
I'm all for banter, but straight up bullying and racial slurs should never be considered "banter"
Yeah, like the term "racist"--a very prominent anti-'European' slur at this moment in time.
Racial banter is fine. People are too sensitive.
If he didn't like it he should have said something
@@jahglory7815 Yep agree with that
@@mick6370 none of us know the context either and I find it hard to believe that this cricketer kept coming in to training and was getting abused everyday.
Banter can be brutal in dressingrooms but it builds character.
I think the trouble nowadays is people just want to cry about things. Being a victim has become trendy.
@@jahglory7815 Saying words which degrade another human being will never be fine.
Not surprised about vaughan named. His always commenting bad on moin ali and rashid khan
Nasser Hussain is just all class 👍🏻
Time to drop Yorkshire from the County League - nobody will miss them.
Oh dear....You really think so??
I would. And no I am not from Yorkshire nor a fan.
It’s unacceptable for Vaughn to say there are too many Asian blokes in this team. It’s same as you are every where during the colonial era.
Says Rana Naved a spot fixing cheat. Maybe worry about the Ahmadis getting murdered in Pakistan.
@@indysingh4552 are u puttin that comment on every thread?
But we weren't everywhere. It was only a quarter of the world.
They sit there in moral judgement when they, as former England captains have perpetuated the undoubted bullying that goes on elite sporting dressing rooms. They sit there enjoying an international cricket tournement where at least one team represents a country that has one of the worst human rights records in the world. But they and the rest of the cricketing establisment are happy to look the other way until something like this surfaces, then they sit there holding their noses as they are up to their oxters in hypocrisy. Just as the establishment did in 1969 until under the shear weight of press and media criticism the MCC withdrew from the planned tour of South Africa.
This happens in club cricket. The issue is much deeper
Happens in every society
Especially in Northern England against Pakistanis
I play in Surrey and was regularly asked (by the same groups of morons at my club) whether I should be drinking my pint of beer. I spoke up this season and it's stopped now but to your point - it does happen at every level.
@@thamananm3159 might have to do with the 20 thousand young girls abused for being white, not some mean words to a professional sportsman, the comment section is full of signalling eunachs who would sell their homeland for a few virtue tokens
@@robbied5605 Racism and child abuse are evil. Racists and bullies and child abusers should all be punished, regardless of race.
Disappointing to hear Michael Vaughan said it. A high profile cricketer of all people.
@Nathan Wright he may not have said it, true but now Rana Naveed Ul Hassan is saying he can confirm he said it. Although that doesn't prove he said it, it starting to ring alarm bells now.
@Nathan Wright yes that's a possibility but it's almost an affirmation in my mind.
It would be refreshing if at least one commentator admitted they’d heard racial abuse in the dressing but didn’t nothing about it, Yorkshire won’t be the only county guilty of such things.
Absolutely crazy how regressive Yorkshire CCC has acted. "Banter." Ffs these guys are still living in the 70's.
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Get used to it. We're taking back our country.
It's very naive and outdated thinking rather than crazy. Some of what happened was considered banter between people who were and are best friends. The problem is, if that is overheard and taken the wrong way by others, then you are still in the wrong. That message will soon get through. The bottom line is that even with everybody consenting and enjoying it, you still cannot do it.
@@arwald.1917 No you arent. Your national cricket and football team has loads of ethnic minority players. The teams would be crap without them. The shortage of lorry drivers has already caused a crises in your small island due to the europeans going. Imagine what would happen if the rest of the immigrants went?
@@DubSalvation--tick, tock.
Absolutely agreed with Athers and Nas here. Really sad with yorks and this Azeem Rafiq situation. Hope Raf can come up from this dilemma and leave the yorkshire. Really hope Gary Ballance also understands his mistake and rectifies it ASAP.
Gary Ballance didn't make a 'mistake'. He committed a crime, articulated as unlawful in British law.
Ballance and Yorkshire Cricket Club must be punished with the harshest of punishments to be made an example of.
Rafiq should be inserted onto Yorkshire Cricket Club board to help create the future.
You can’t “rectify” racism
@@haris3311 Agreed Mate.
I can listen to Nasser Hussein all day.
@@samsammsammm1547 The poor man nearly took his own life because of the situation. I don't think he'll want anything to do with YCCC after all this is over
I think the board needs to modernise and understand the views of the 21st century, racism isn't banter....
total respect for atherton/nasser loved them as cricketers and coming from asain background i can say they were players i looked up to in the England team and were role models and sportsman i inspired to be like and it was a dream of mine that i wanted to captain England one day to. But unfortunately after a taking 8 wickets for 34 runs in 5 overs for my local team in a final where there were various scouts from different counties watching the tournament and not getting picked by any of them for trials when i was player of the tournament and man of match in the final and then finding out the 4 players that were selected had performed so bad through out the tournament but had family members playing for these counties and came from white privileged family so got selected. My family told me i had gone far enough and that they couldn't afford to send me to these tournaments anymore when it was so obvious no matter how well i did I wouldn't get a chance, i dont know if it was racism and i dont want to make such a claim but i always thought if i was white and performed that well would i have got a chance but i gave up and it still hurts to this day as i just could not explain why i didn't get selected and doubted my ability but only god and scouts know why i didn't get selected. i have to mention Arnie sidebottom absolute fantastic bloke he helped me so much and the asain community in Yorkshire in the 90s and wanted me to continue but deep down he even knew i had no chance of getting any where even though in his own words i was faster baller than mullay his son ryan and caddick at just the age of 18 but i hope all this media attention on racism gives other ethnic minorities a platform to have careers in cricket now and produce more players like moeen, rashid, jordan, mills, archer etc
You racially abuse and harass someone and call it banter???
The nerve, I hope they get all what they deserve... Very badly handled by ECB, absolutely shameful for the cricket community 😕
Unless you were there it's hard to say. Maybe this is a case of a disgruntled employee playing the victim.
@@jahglory7815 could be that. But then if one of the accused comes out and admits it happened… Trying to hide it under the label of friendly banter just reminds me of the Alf Garnet types. “I’m just having a laaaaarf”
I can seriously see Nasser standing as London Mayor and beating Sadie Khan comprehensively, I wish he would but cricket is engrained in his blood.
Always want him as a commentator as a cricket fan
Why would Nasser want to ruin his good name to become a politician?
@@jacharvey8231 bro its all subcontinent trait... we see anyone successful they want him as politician lol
Yorkshire should be banned from county cricket for at least 5 years , so the rest can learn how to be a human in 21st century.
Shame on Racists.
Well said
This is now the second example of "young" cricketers using abusive language.
There is no excuse for any such behaviour and there now needs to be an effective discrimination/abuse education programme for all young cricketers including all schools feeding cricketers into the County system.
absolutely love both Nass & Athers!!
2 gem of a souls there. One thing to note is the respect they have for each other, you can by the eye contact throughout with each other and the tone of their discussions. Huge respect.
Naseer is a class act. For real.
I heard they're changing their name to Yorkshire Kounty Kricket Klub
By far the most mature discussion of this topic I've seen, although that bar is pretty low
Huge respect to both Nass and Athers...Nass is spot on here. Glad ECB is taking action and sponsors cancelling contracts. Yorkshire club should be banned for 2 years or should be relegated, untill they sort this stuff at grass root level at all age groups.
What a pathetic take. All this is a witch hunt against white people… simple as.
@@mugcheese100 You guys ought to sort yourself out then 🤷🏽♂️
Two of the best cricket commentators and analyst. Really great guys.
As someone who in her mid 50s still carries the scars of being called a p?? i, relating to country of origin in school.
It hurts and haunts me
It is not banter.... I a more proud now of England when my children can stand up for themselves.
Back then it was brutal
Sorry you had to experience that.
Loved the comments, gotta admit. Nice to see people supporting the cause.
I'm not surprised. Always thought cricket was a weird as* sport.
@@AH-hz5xc Sports like football have twice the element of racism, but okay.
@@soumyashreebiswal749 Twice is probably understating it honestly
Shame non of you lot supported action against grooming gangs.
Amazing answers from Nasser Hussain. Respect for Atherton .. love the answer and question posted to them . I am a Sri Lankan 🇱🇰 and now a British national and this happened to my own mother land ; cos of religious names and background some of th e talents was overseen.. sadly it’s a true reflection on the cricket around the world especially in sub continent countries. Give chance on merit and talent.. India 🇮🇳 Pakistan 🇵🇰 Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 and Bangladesh 🇧🇩 look out for talent and there are Plenty….. your country should represent every minority of people and you will show others a clear message.. the message is “ we value and nurture talent .”
I've heard countless times on TV other commentators taking the mickey out Nasser's long nose 😆🤣😂😹
Nasser Hussain and Michel Athurton please have your own RUclips channel...We really likes your conversations and debates.
I love this 2 players from my heart. Bless them both, truly fair and neutral players in the whole world xoxo
closing statement by Nasser hit the nail on the head, that is exactly why South Asian English cricketers do not progress well enough.!!! Well done to both you and Sky Sports for raising the awareness.
It's just as bad in the NHS. They don't want coloured people to outdo them in any field.
What are u on about
@@AH-hz5xc No wonder general population struggled during this pandemic!
“Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they always made me glad.”
Could listen to both talk about any topic in cricket, but especially serious issues in cricket, Athers is a fantastic broadcaster/journalist and Nass just compliments him, great stuff guys
Yes he complements him very well
Yes he complements him very well.
He probably compliments him too to be fair (although maybe not on camera!)
Rana Naved from Pakistan has spoken up and is willing to provide evidence, it's been quite sad that England international Adil Rashid has stayed quiet throughout this period. He has a role to play in this and needs to shoulder that responsibility and important sporting figures have done so in the past and continue to do so now, e.g. Marcus Rashford. It is also important for white players to be open and transparent. But bigger than all this is that there needs to be systemic change at YCCC.
I played County cricket and I would say I would be shocked if he was treated worse than I was. Took me 20 years to even go back to watch.
A line has been crossed
Wasn't this the guy who admitting making anti-semitic remarks? The word hypocrite comes to mind. Hard to take him seriously after that.
Nasser hit the nail on the head, and what he said reminded me of being at school. If you are seen as different for any reason, then you are picked on, even for the stupidest reason.
It's Yorkshire cricket club for gods sake, there is no shock value in this story at all.
0:16 Atherton thinking 'bloody hell, Nas, the plural is crisES'.
Still better than what Trump Jr said 🤣🤣
Lol I instantly thought the same thing when I saw this.
The biggest silence is what about the rest of the county cricket system. Does anyone really think for one second that yorkshire is unique here?
Listening to TMS about 4 summers ago and India were putting together a 100+ lower order partnership to turn the game. Henry B said it reminded him of them doing similar in the early 60's in Calcutta and he named the two players from back in the day. Vaughan interjects 'they sound like a couple of good curries'.....Nothing else to add....
This actually rings a bell. It maybe longer than 4 summers ago tho. It could’ve been during the 2018 Test Series vs India (Alistair Cooks swan song) but Blowers retired from TMS in 2017. But I do recall Vaughan making some idiotic slurry comment about curries live on TMS.
How well do these guys speak - if you ever want to listen to a debate or get a visual representation of what an “argument” should sound like - listen to these two. Top class
This kind of racism is like a pack mentality thing. Picking on the person who is different and vulnerable just to make your mates think you’re ‘one of the lads’. This branch of toxic masculinity is hopefully slowly dying out with the new generation holding older ones to account .
The whole truth is starting to come out. Didn't like Kane Williamson coming to Yorkshire cos Vaughan said he could also bowl off spin. But Williamson is a batsman only, wrong Azeem.
Now we start to see why not all your complaints were upheld and now Hutton's gone it'll be squeaky bum time at the ECB.
If it was that bad why did he come back twice to Yorkshire?
Because he’s part off the squad !!!
You will not understand, this is how it is for blacks and Asians in UK, we just keep going, maybe you would be happy if he just gave up his space for a white person.
Any Asian lads who have played I the leagues around Yorkshire will tell you how rife racism is. Grey Preston is one of the worst places for it back in the 90s
@Lee Boyall they’ve had to otherwise they wouldn’t stop.
Nothing new here. Atherton and Hussein should investigate bias at Club Level cricket associations.
Did the IPL commentators have any discussion like this when Darren Saamy said that he was racially abused at SRH.
Problm is he was not abused. He was Calld by that name but it's not racially motivated. M brown my nick name is Browny. Lots of people has the same name. It was just the name like Kalicharan or Kaluvitarna.
@@ChoCoMoCo69 doesn’t matter. Darren Sammy was uncomfortable with that name and this shouldn’t have been called that.
@@Dawood.Pervez whn he said that he is uncomfortable he is never called by that. He never talkd about it before. There are lots of same color cricketers in IPL no one said that to anyone. My be he was comfortable before but not with time. Don't change the meaning of Racism if someone snatch your opportunity and stops you doing something you wants to cuz of your color, race or faith that's Racism.
Intelligent assessment of the situation. Well done Athers & Nasser.
Very well said Both sides of the story. Yorkshire has handled this very bad. I play cricket in West Yorkshire and i have not seen 1 young black cricketer in 6yrs of playing representing any of the clubs. They Asian have continued to play inspite the whole bias toward selecting them for the national team.. Jafra Archer was jus very fortunate to be picked bcuz of his obvious talent while representing the West Indies. Clearly Yorkshire handling of this is a reflection of how alot of people in the higher eshlong of society view people of ethnic minority. Its clear they can't hide anymore the whole board shud resign immediately.
I imagine Jofra's bouncers in the nets would keep his team mates behavior on lock
YAWN MAYBE because they probably aren't good enough to compete in first class cricket.
@@Bossman525 The world s
Best cricketers are. Do you need facts.
I wonder how Nasser feels about his beloved Essex being implicated in this debate now , and his dear friend Bumble ??
i remember that line from a comedy sketch..."you will never play for Yorkshire"
"Ey up son you'll never play for Yorkshire no offence"
Harry Enfield-The Yorkshireman
Comedy gold over 3million views
One of the few times Yorkshire stepped up at T20 when Rafiq was captain. I enjoyed watching his team play, he got more out of them than Gale.
Questions to answer on both sides, things have obviously gone on but after leaving the club why go back for second helpings if it was that bad? And the man reduced you to tears every time so of course you invite him to your wedding? Come on all the facts need to be out and laid bare.
It's abhorrent and hopefully the long needed clear out at the club will happen.
I was an asian in a white-majority school. Azeem Rafiq's story is very relatable. All I can say is that I went to great lengths to tolerate racial banter and keep pretending everything is fine and make repeated attempts to do things that I perceived would make me fit in more and accepted as one of your own rather than be seen as different all the time. So yes you would invite people to weddings because you'd view it as an opportunity to get closer to them, because if one of them makes it easier to fit in with them, it might have a knock on effect and make your life easier.
@@zane6505 Sorry to hear you were mistreated so badly, the strength you showed to deal with it is genuinely amazing
@@zane6505 I'm truly sorry to hear that Zane. I hope by taking the time to reply to me you noted that I did try to word my thoughts carefully. I never tried to excuse or deny anything went on, I do strongly believe everything needs to come out from both sides for the benefit of everyone. Only then can there be a clean slate.
The point from Atherton re the full report is important as lots of speculation and judgement being made without all the facts. YCC needs modernization to represent its cricket community with is a mix. The board should resign
Let's take Gary out for a curry. Heard he likes Peshwari naan
Can someone please give me a short on the whole incident, i have no knowledge about the whole situation. Thank you
Person A accused person B of racism, person B said he didn't do anything, person B was found guilty in the court of public opinion, it's called hanging them before the trial
On one hand I am disgusted by this story but on other hand take comfort from the fact that majority is unwilling to tolerate any form of racism. As a society we are moving to a better place.
Anyone know where Michael Vaughan is ?
The ecb needs to take action
Yeah ...kick out all race baiters.
Did they react to his anti sematic comments no double standards spring to mind
The best pundits in cricket . Balanced and honest .
absolutely shocking, poor man, Racism is not banter, the pain can damage an individual for life.
Respect for these two.
Other people have gone to jail in recent weeks for doing it online. Will this be the same for those within sport.
Depends entirely on their class. If they are upper class, the rules don't apply.
Good luck with this. South Africa are still waiting (120 years and counting) for some sort of acknowledgement from the UK that the British concentration camps of the South African War were just not cricket.
Totally agree that discrimination is wrong, whether that be based on gender, race or some other factor. Nasser Hussain, however, about 4 minutes in suggests it is OK to have "banter" on colour of hair, size of nose and other not specified areas. I'm sure a person with ginger hair would feel as discriminated against as one with darker (or lighter) skin tone. So I would hope for clarification from Sky Sports on what they class as discrimination!
He says that, but he also says there's a line you don't cross.. even with stuff like 'long nose, short etc'
@Edit Name Nass isn't white
Are allegations so easy to tarnish ones image..without been proven
Well spoken. True captains.
Sweet, so basically if someone calls me fat I can make some money?
I remember Frank Lampard saying the one thing he dosn miss as a player is the so called banter in the dressing room. I think Yorkshire are getting a hard rap for this. What sort of sanction were they supposed to take against individuals based on the word of one person. It would be a legal nightmare.
It's disgusting!
Judging deccades old comments by today's standards.
Is it possible for somebody with brown skin to be a victim of bullying but not racial harrassment?
Yes it is possible . But not if their called racists terms at the time . It’s racism then. And as for judging by today’s standards ….you would hope it would be considered wrong at all times. Your not on the Yorkshire cricket board by any chance are you
Why u guys turned off comments on azeem rafique testimony video??
what is the P word???
funny how you put this on . but no cricket highlights
This is more important
Racism actually hurts..if u r someone known atleast ur voice is heard..if not that happens everyday and ppl forget and that ache in the heart and stain stays..I know the ones saying don't mean to hurt that bad and they don't know that hurts.. but it does guys
Such a shame that this game is about “Balls” yet none of them have them to speak up!! Be honest and have some integrity and stand up for your fellow teammate Azeem! Grow some!!
I was employed as a scorer by a Yorkshire club for over 40 years. Each club were allowed to employ 2 pro's, they came from various parts of the world, from Pakistan to India and beyond. I never once saw racism of any kind, in fact players went out of their way to make overseas players welcome.
If you didn't saw it or you never experienced it doesn't mean it never happened!! That's at best a lame excuse & trying to brush aside the issue instead of rectifying those mistakes. Just like Hitler killed Jews but you & I didn't witnessed that personally but it did happened! Isn't?
I live near the m1 for 60 years never seen a crash.
So, why are you only talking about it now?