William Garcia Peek a window BLAM!!! sniper. Turn the corner RATATATA!!! assault. respawn, turn the corner BOOM!!! tank. etc. etc. etc. and fucking etc.
William Garcia I also don't know what he is talking about. I honestly don't think that MGs need nerf. They're fine. Also considering that support has modello which is ridiculously op.
G Turpin They are easily the most poweful situational weapons in game though. And it isnt hard to get in a position yourself that excells. People just dont understand the concept of creating those situations.
Radovan Ostrodický Keep in mind that this was WW1 most of the LMGs that had 100+ magazines were way to big and heavy to carry. 99% of the LMGs with 100+ mag cap were mounted, either on planes, turrets, etc.
A good way to make the support weapons more viable could be to massively increase the suppression effect for belt fed weapons. It would literally serve a support purpose and make them useful. It would also be realistic to their real life purpose. For non-belt fed weapons I dont really know what you could change. If they act like assault rifles then that might just be their sole purpose.
Hey Matimi0, what would u think if the support class got 1 full magazine of K bullets to help take out tanks and vehicles? Each bullet putting out 2 damage or so depending on the clip size. Sunday Mailbox please !! Haha
Chris Chavez no, if anything assualt needs a vehicle damage buff. support has the limpet charges which are already op and by far the best infantry weapon to take out vehicles.
I think the Storm version is just right. I find the suppression to have an annoying sight and the bipod is often in the way of things. 200 bullets is nice, but in 99% of the situations having 100 is already enough
Martinspire the sight is indeed annoying but you can get used to it. When on the bipod at close range don't ads. Heck don't ads for close range even when running about. Then you can get used to it. The sight is really good for the bipod at medium to long range though.
The BAR, The Browning Automatic Rifle, was chambered in the US Military cartridge of .30-06, which had an effective range of 1000m. That round is extremely powerful, which also the BAR, loved by those who carried it, was difficult to control when firing full auto. The BAR shared the same round that the 1903 Springfield Rifle used. Most of the MGs in the Support Class also fired powerful rifle rounds shared by the Bolt-Guns of the Scout/Sniper Class. So of course the MGs should see a damage buff.
I think the reason why the support class feels so weak is because they've given the weapons realistic(ish) characteristics and people aren't used to them yet.
Consider as well the second primary role of a light machine gun: In addition to suppression, on which you've lightly touched, the heavy gunner in a squad provides area denial to the enemy, which, in a defensive role, works to halt an enemy advancement, and, offensively, provides, for other squad members, areas of guaranteed safety as to maintain momentum in an attack
I bought the Madsen right after I watched this video and it completely changed the way I play the support class. so far it is the most effective weapon I've used for that class
One thing I've enjoyed with bf1's support class, that the Lewis gun suppressive seems a very viable choice for hitting some longer range shots, and also how any version of the madsen feels like an assault rifle and is very fun.
Hey Mat. What do you think about slightly nerfin the AA guns against planes? I feel like the disable mechanic is way too devestating against pilots of any skill and just ruins the fun of flying overall. Your thoughts?
MG15 with a Bipod you get 200 rounds and my mate can take out snipers from across the map when he's looking out a window or is prone. For the larger maps like Sinai desert the bipod is a must have option but in the tighter close maps where theres a lot of up close fights he uses the light variant.
It feels like DICE are trying to find this awkward balance which isn't working. Maybe they should just make the LMGs awful when run+gunning but amazing when in bipod.
thats already the case. the issue is sniping being too easy and often there being little to no cover. most of them cant hit the side of a moving barn but generally, you stop, you die.
take the one with bipod, im using it too! best sight ever and veeery good accuarcy, just lay down everytime u see and enemy at middle range, in close combat just shoot from hips^^
That would never happen plus it's a bad idea. Those guns are very important guns to the game. They are really the only SMGs in the game. You just want to remove an entire class of guns?
As a support main, I wouldn't mind a buff. But the thing is it doesn't need one. With correct positioning and map knowledge this class thrives. I hope people realize that
Most of the time I am running around, and when enemies go into cover or we cant push a chokepoint I get my mortar, get 5+ kills and start running again. Repeat this and get 50 kills every game.
I was playing bf 1 and I got killed by a mortar and I was like dam and finished the game next game I meet the same guy and his boyfriend using fucking mortars so me being me I picked up a mortar and instantly got about 10 kills in 1 game and I'm level 2 like wtf dice
I think the biggest problem is that support was designed to be a more defensive kit. It excels when you dig in with a squad and suppress the enemy while resupplying your team. Problem is, most people never stop attacking.
Had my best games with the support class.... The MG15 suppressive to lock down corridors, the Benet-Mercie as kind of assault rifle. Mortar and Limpet are nice gadgets too.
Hey man, I mostly play support and if they keep the weapons as they are and give the support class a slight bump in front-facing armor it would fix the issue. basically enough armor to allow the support player to get off a few rounds against the assault class.
The Lewis Gun is surprisingly the one I've been enjoying the most. Yes, it is the starter gun, yet nothing I've unlocked (save for the BAR, maybe) comes close to it for me. I don't know why, but there's something that just works about it.
The best way to introduce a "suppression" mechanic in a shooting game is to punish death with EXP loss. That way, players will fear dying and run into cover if shot at.
this may just be me, or the fact that I'm playing on PS4 rather than pc, but the support class plays absolutely just fine. any buff to the class, especially the weapons, will make the support class pretty OP.
am a cod player and switch to bf1. i been struggling with support guns for a while but after watching and trying out the BAR M1918 storm i have been playing very good since 24/6 thanks
They should increase suppression effects for LMGs to allow the support role to do what it should, and that's SUPPORT. Stay behind front lines, suppress the enemy so teammates can push, achieve victory.
I honestly love the mg15 suppressive and the bar telescopic just because of the scope and the bipod because of the accuracy those are the best in my opinion
I imagine that since the support class has got the mortar now the pick rate should have increased. To make the machine guns better they could introduce the sweet spot mechanic for the LMG's so some do more damage up close but are totally ineffective at range and vise versa. Alternatively they could increase the suppression effect for only LMG's
I find the mg15 suppressive pretty good when you can find a sneaky bi pod spot. Pretty much negates the medium range inaccuracy and low damage by putting ammo down range like crazy.
I can't get enough of this game.
Decoy I already have 45 hiurs play time, help me
Prestless I just hit 30 and I thought I was playing a lot haha.
Decoy Yeah, how many hours have you played? i am only level 56 now so i level really slow.
I just typed 30 but it was a typo. I've played 39 hours so far. About to hop back on too.
Decoy Ahh i thought you said you hit level 30 my fault.
the support class is amazing, especially with the Lewis gun suppressive
doombringer4519 oh god I think lewis gun sucks lol
WHAT!? The Lewis Gun Suppressive is my jam!
Oh my god yes the Lewis gun is fantastic and I have 6 service stars with it
I Got 32 Kills in one match, and 8 deaths... I only used Lewis Gun Optic
Fortælleuge GBS Uge 45 went 72-14 with my MG15 lmao.
Maybe a slight increase of damage at range and slight decrease of the time it takes for the mg's to gain control would be a good buff to the mg's imo.
and when you finallu shoot staight it over heats..
yaboyGOODVIBES Increase damage by 30 %.
I think the damage is perfect But they should decrease the time to get accurate...
and increase suppression effect
and + 10 bullets for them magaziners
"They are getting beat out in medium to long range" bitch where? These guns dominate when you hold down the trigger at range
William Garcia Peek a window BLAM!!! sniper. Turn the corner RATATATA!!! assault. respawn, turn the corner BOOM!!! tank.
etc.
etc.
etc.
and fucking etc.
William Garcia I also don't know what he is talking about. I honestly don't think that MGs need nerf. They're fine. Also considering that support has modello which is ridiculously op.
They definitely don't need a nerf. At the moment DMRs consistently beat them out at medium ranges.
the Lewis Gun Supressor is my most used gun
I just love that thing
ke.st yes!! It is a beast! Turned the video off after he said the madsen & bar
Dangle_onthem_21 nah bar wil destroy you
The Factory Lewis Gun is so fucking bad though. It literally can't kill a fucking thing
ghjkk ghjkk the factory Lewis gun is my best weapon ;-;
ghjkk ghjkk You must be doing something wrong. I can kill a lot with the Lewis gun factory.
Don't know about you but I absolutely melt people with the Benet Mercie
Ryan Ramos the telescopic version is amazing
Ryan Ramos favourite gun so far. Even the base trench version. That and airburst mortar and I'm set for a round.
Me too!
Ryan Ramos me too babe
Fuckin A!!
you are entirely correct on the sight. I found that the support guns are vastly more useful with the AA sight
Am I the only one who likes the Benet?
Matthew Littleton I LOVE IT
Matthew Littleton That's the only other gun that I have unlocked for the support class, I haven't looked back since buying it.
the Benet sounds amazing. like, I get scared when i shoot it sometimes or when i hear an enemy shooting it from a distance.
No, the storm variant with AA sights is absolutely killer.
*hotchkiss 1915
Why does everybody think the LMGs are bad? The MG15 n.a. is my most used weapon
Sul Haren Because they're underpowered and is more situational than any other weapon.
G Turpin
They are easily the most poweful situational weapons in game though. And it isnt hard to get in a position yourself that excells. People just dont understand the concept of creating those situations.
Yes, but they are also easier to create the situations for.
Good point every class has their favorable situations, play to your advantage.
Sul Haren LMG's only have a small Damage because they have huge Magazines but I adore my LMG's aswell
Anybody else think that it takes way too long to level up the class ranks?
no.but they could of have put in more weapons while leveling up to 10,,
+Marcel van Wijk Then your a terrible medic. Revive and heal your teammates.
TheBr0seph *you're
+Ricardo Wu You sure showed me.
Caleb Umberger
MG 15 suppressive. Full cheese.
mmmmm, stored 20 years for extra rekt powa
oh yeah, baby
tru3th nice Russian badger reference.
***** there is way more to it, trust me, so far i've spent 3 hours on symthic analyzing stats
tru3th mg15 is the most underestimated gun in the game.
Am I really the only person that loves the M1909?
Nah, I used that a ton before I unlocked the BAR and enjoyed it.
The Scoped version of that thing is beast!
I fucking love the 1909. Storm version with AA sights is a monster
That my favourite gun i think it kinda underated
Deez_ Nuts me also dude. It fuckin rocks.
I'd love if the LMGs were what they were in BF4 - 100 or 200-magazine medium range beasts. IDK, 30-rounds for an LMG just isn't an LMG for me.
Radovan Ostrodický Keep in mind that this was WW1 most of the LMGs that had 100+ magazines were way to big and heavy to carry. 99% of the LMGs with 100+ mag cap were mounted, either on planes, turrets, etc.
+McMillen Colburn those weren't lmgs, those were hmgs
The mortar, that's the best support gun
A good way to make the support weapons more viable could be to massively increase the suppression effect for belt fed weapons. It would literally serve a support purpose and make them useful. It would also be realistic to their real life purpose. For non-belt fed weapons I dont really know what you could change. If they act like assault rifles then that might just be their sole purpose.
The lewis gun variant with the 97 mag and the scope is good too.
Mambutu O'Malley I agree
i have a 1.95 kd playing as mainly support. Please buff the LMGs, I will be unstoppable.
Qwxzi play against me and you won't be :)
90Ef Lover ok mate whatever you say
Well done using mortars
1.95 kd you are insane dude.
Kenny O'Brien say that to my 4 service stars with the BAR and 1 with benet mercie
Hey Matimi0, what would u think if the support class got 1 full magazine of K bullets to help take out tanks and vehicles? Each bullet putting out 2 damage or so depending on the clip size. Sunday Mailbox please !! Haha
This is Actually a good idea!
Chris Chavez no, if anything assualt needs a vehicle damage buff. support has the limpet charges which are already op and by far the best infantry weapon to take out vehicles.
what if the sweet spot mechanic didn't work when you have a bipod deployed, so that the snipers are forced to headshot you?
assault has 2 AT grenades and the AT gun. Why does it need more?
Chris Chavez Limpet Charge and HE Mortar. Doesn't need more anti tank gadgets
Telescopic benet mercie (whatever it is) is my favourite yet I don't have the bar yet. I found the recoil too much on my standard madsen.
DJWoody I 100% agree.
Hey, nice advise thanks mate, I'll be sure to include the MG15 and BAR telescopic in my warbond budget.
DJWoody bar trench bro, telescopic recoils too hard
I'll give it another try, cheers mate.
DJWoody also I recommend the storm variant if basically every gun besides the automatico
I think DICE should either increase the damage on LMGs, or make the spread decrease faster.
Thumbs up for MG15 suppression. BAR ok too but clip too small. Suppression effect upon snipers is near nil.
I think the Storm version is just right. I find the suppression to have an annoying sight and the bipod is often in the way of things. 200 bullets is nice, but in 99% of the situations having 100 is already enough
Martinspire the sight is indeed annoying but you can get used to it. When on the bipod at close range don't ads. Heck don't ads for close range even when running about. Then you can get used to it. The sight is really good for the bipod at medium to long range though.
Bring down the site magnification to 2x, and hipfire in close.
"Clip too small." It's a magazine.
i like the benet mercie, am i weird?
Yet I get triple the amount of kills with the Benet Mercie... Depends on how your style. For me, the BM is perfection
NoComment Gaming I like it much more than the Lewis Gun, but those are the only two that I have unlocked for the support class as of now.
Sam van Royen Same I would go 10-20 with the Lewis gun and I changed to the BM and now I go at least 20-10 every game
i am support level 1 as of now, and i seem to do much better with the BM than any other machine gun, also, try the AA sights, bad ass!
NoComment Gaming I love it too
The BAR, The Browning Automatic Rifle, was chambered in the US Military cartridge of .30-06, which had an effective range of 1000m. That round is extremely powerful, which also the BAR, loved by those who carried it, was difficult to control when firing full auto. The BAR shared the same round that the 1903 Springfield Rifle used. Most of the MGs in the Support Class also fired powerful rifle rounds shared by the Bolt-Guns of the Scout/Sniper Class. So of course the MGs should see a damage buff.
I too really like the AA sights! I became aware of them thanks to watching one of your streams and haven't looked back. They really do help a lot!
I think the reason why the support class feels so weak is because they've given the weapons realistic(ish) characteristics and people aren't used to them yet.
LOCO808 the Huot should then be doing the same damage as some as the bolt rifles then
The LMGs were great in BF4. I don't understand why we couldn't have the LMG's in BF1 work more like their counterparts in BF4.
because battle field 4s lmgs where completely broken, over powered, and where constantly used to snipe people from across the map.
Lawgamer411 ww1
The Mercié-Bènet is one of my favorite guns in the entire game!
One way to make support a more viable pick would be to decrease the total amount of ammo every class carries.
Three Jerries walk into a BAR...
New "shit starting accuracy" mechanic for LMGs is stupid.
Consider as well the second primary role of a light machine gun: In addition to suppression, on which you've lightly touched, the heavy gunner in a squad provides area denial to the enemy, which, in a defensive role, works to halt an enemy advancement, and, offensively, provides, for other squad members, areas of guaranteed safety as to maintain momentum in an attack
The suppressive lewis gun is nasty. A bipod, 90 round clip, and a 3x scope can really reign terror.
i like the bar but it has a lot of recoil
support weapons are too inaccurate and the pistols out damage them at close range
Madsen mg low weight is a level 1 support gun, accurate as fuck. The standard lmg's are horrible though
KB Eightyseven different now
I bought the Madsen right after I watched this video and it completely changed the way I play the support class. so far it is the most effective weapon I've used for that class
One thing I've enjoyed with bf1's support class, that the Lewis gun suppressive seems a very viable choice for hitting some longer range shots, and also how any version of the madsen feels like an assault rifle and is very fun.
I think they also need a second limpit mine one just doesn't cut it
Kirby Berry that would be kinda op 1 limpet charge can take away half of a heavy tank health
I usually don't play support thanks for the insight
MG15 Storm
Best lmg that can be considered an lmg by mag size.
best choise. i dont even see any recoil
Best shit right here
i am having a great time as a medic with my m1907 sl . The kills are so satisfying with this gun . Just love it .
I actually love the bar. I outsniped snipers while prone. I just make sure that I go prone when using it. Went like 37-5 the other day with it.
Detective John Kimble Yeah, bar telescopic with the bipod. Shoulda probably said that.
You said people don't play as support but on xbox quite a few people do
Hey Mat. What do you think about slightly nerfin the AA guns against planes? I feel like the disable mechanic is way too devestating against pilots of any skill and just ruins the fun of flying overall. Your thoughts?
I so agree
I love using attack planes as bombers and they nearly always kill me
Tank Buster ftw
MG15 with a Bipod you get 200 rounds and my mate can take out snipers from across the map when he's looking out a window or is prone.
For the larger maps like Sinai desert the bipod is a must have option but in the tighter close maps where theres a lot of up close fights he uses the light variant.
I think that the Lewis gun and the bar telescopic are amazing, no changes needed
I think if they either gave the mg's more damage or make them more accurate and it would balance
3-5 damage more per bullet, and a slight increase in the rpm of the slower ones would be fair at least in my opinion.
It feels like DICE are trying to find this awkward balance which isn't working. Maybe they should just make the LMGs awful when run+gunning but amazing when in bipod.
Joseph James Sadly being stationary is to much of a death sentence.
true theres far to many snipers in battlefield
thats already the case. the issue is sniping being too easy and often there being little to no cover. most of them cant hit the side of a moving barn but generally, you stop, you die.
Aiming is incredibly easy in BF1, so stationary targets are pretty much dead.
It is a meta problem if anything.
You killed me using the madsen today in this video. I'm glad I could contribute
I really enjoy the scoped versions of the LMGs for distant fights. It is an actual good competitor to some snipers.
Matimio's voice sounds like a 12 year old passing through puberty
Can you put AA sights onto the Lewis Gun?
Patrick Durgin yes. they have more of an oval shape to them
Patrick Durgin yes
take the one with bipod, im using it too! best sight ever and veeery good accuarcy, just lay down everytime u see and enemy at middle range, in close combat just shoot from hips^^
Give MG's the sweet spot mechanic and boost their damage slightly
Really enjoying your bf1 videos thanks Matimi0!
the only thing how they can fix the Support class: remove mp18 and the automatico
biggest noob guns, just for Cod Players...
MineStyler don't be mad Cuz you suck
MineStyler why would they do that?
That would never happen plus it's a bad idea. Those guns are very important guns to the game. They are really the only SMGs in the game. You just want to remove an entire class of guns?
*10
+MineStyler i get so fucking tilted when i see players ~lvl 30 and already has 6-7 service stars on seblwhatever marksman and/or mondragon
I just watched the video to hear how Mat pronounces "Madsen"
I'm here for "bar".
Reggie757 I cringe whenever he says "bar"
why?
mrchicken388 so you seriousley expect people to say the letters B A R instead of bar witch is way faster easier, and gets your point across?
kirby 5329 yes because that's the proper way to say it.
MG15 with AA sights is my favorite one to uses. Awesome video!
As a support main, I wouldn't mind a buff. But the thing is it doesn't need one. With correct positioning and map knowledge this class thrives. I hope people realize that
Lewis gun is nothing but a marshmallow shooter
Skyler Neal . Even though it shoots the same ammunition as the smle
Lets be real here... Most of the time you will be sitting in your mortar making life a living hell for the rest of us
Most of the time I am running around, and when enemies go into cover or we cant push a chokepoint I get my mortar, get 5+ kills and start running again. Repeat this and get 50 kills every game.
dont shit talk mortars, i can single handely defend a point in operations with a mortar if people actually spotted things for once
I will shittalk mortars because they are OP as fuck. Rush is broken thanks to them
Wtf it takes like 3 mortars to kill someone
Journey awaits
2 airburst or 1 HE mortar. And they resupply extremely fast so that you can just sit and mortar spam objectives 24/7
Bars is love, bars is life
I'm going to have to play it more, but I really enjoyed using the Madsen when I tried it for the first time last night. Thanks for the recommendation!
I was playing bf 1 and I got killed by a mortar and I was like dam and finished the game next game I meet the same guy and his boyfriend using fucking mortars so me being me I picked up a mortar and instantly got about 10 kills in 1 game and I'm level 2 like wtf dice
cool story bro
Only 10 kills?
Taco King
Lol
IM ONLE LEVL TO
Can u milk the new ops of siege
Raishow 11 what new ops
Mr Pleezy budget thermite, defender with a drone
Raishow 11 ok
Mr Pleezy have you lived under a rock? The new Japanese operators have been leaked along with their new map
Taco. Wampa have you played that game everyday lol i wad just saying cause i havent played it in a while so dont assume things
I think the biggest problem is that support was designed to be a more defensive kit. It excels when you dig in with a squad and suppress the enemy while resupplying your team. Problem is, most people never stop attacking.
Give them slower rpm and buff the dmg so they get better at medium range, which is where I think they should be good at.
The Bar give me good old memories from MOH allied assault Probably my favorite gun
Had my best games with the support class.... The MG15 suppressive to lock down corridors, the Benet-Mercie as kind of assault rifle. Mortar and Limpet are nice gadgets too.
Hey man, I mostly play support and if they keep the weapons as they are and give the support class a slight bump in front-facing armor it would fix the issue. basically enough armor to allow the support player to get off a few rounds against the assault class.
There is nothing more fun than playing with the mg15 suppressive! 200 rounds is so much fun to just spit out wherever!
increase the suppression at range would be a welcomed buff. it means it still leaves weakness up close and they cant be picked off as much.
The BAR telescopic is insane lol, I went on a rampage with that thing.
I just wish the Lewis Gun "best of the war" got a little more love.
I feel even with weaker weapons having unlimited gas grenades and mortar shells really makes the support amazing for objective control
I love the mg 15 suppressive because if you lay down it has no recoil and matched with the 200 round mag you can lock down places
Dude this is first weapon review that makes sense.
Matimio, you hit the nail on the head. Great review.
The Lewis Gun is surprisingly the one I've been enjoying the most. Yes, it is the starter gun, yet nothing I've unlocked (save for the BAR, maybe) comes close to it for me. I don't know why, but there's something that just works about it.
The best way to introduce a "suppression" mechanic in a shooting game is to punish death with EXP loss. That way, players will fear dying and run into cover if shot at.
this may just be me, or the fact that I'm playing on PS4 rather than pc, but the support class plays absolutely just fine. any buff to the class, especially the weapons, will make the support class pretty OP.
am a cod player and switch to bf1. i been struggling with support guns for a while but after watching and trying out the BAR M1918 storm i have been playing very good since 24/6 thanks
i realy love the mg15 supressive variant where it has optic sights, bipod and an mag of 200 bullets. Realy awesome
Support has always been my favorite in battlefield games and here on the 1 im usually the only one in games playing it. Supply ribbons galore.
The Madsen Storm is just amazing!
I love the Madson, but I also love to role-play as a WW2 soldier with the BAR & 1911... Choices, choices, choices...
Really considering this Class as my next one after Medic.
One of the coolest things for the support is that you can go in to a tank and repair it from inside
I would agree that those 3 LMG'S are the best ones at the moment. The MG15 Storm is my personal favorite
5:00 guys look how the bullets fly out of the mag it looks so cool
thanks a ton man! i just started playing and I'm having real trouble with getting out gunned
They should increase suppression effects for LMGs to allow the support role to do what it should, and that's SUPPORT. Stay behind front lines, suppress the enemy so teammates can push, achieve victory.
this video is just in time I just bought the early enlister edition today
The Support class REALLY needs some love.
The Lewis Gun is crazy :D Soooo good when u put the AA sights on ^^
The best way to solve support weapon issues is make the suppression effect from full auto machine guns more toll taking on your target.
I honestly love the mg15 suppressive and the bar telescopic just because of the scope and the bipod because of the accuracy those are the best in my opinion
I play as a scout and the worst thing is when you see the guy come around the corner lmg ready as he then sprays you down
I imagine that since the support class has got the mortar now the pick rate should have increased. To make the machine guns better they could introduce the sweet spot mechanic for the LMG's so some do more damage up close but are totally ineffective at range and vise versa. Alternatively they could increase the suppression effect for only LMG's
I find the mg15 suppressive pretty good when you can find a sneaky bi pod spot. Pretty much negates the medium range inaccuracy and low damage by putting ammo down range like crazy.
I love the merci gun with the side clip thing? I feel like I can treat it like an assault rifle
Im in Love with the BAR
I wish the suppression would cause more effect on enemies like make it more blurry or something when you're suppressing them.