Caller Asks How 1.4 Billion Theists Could ALL Be Wrong | Matt Dillahunty & Seth Andrews
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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Sam from India calls in to ask how 1.4 billion theists can be wrong. Hosts Matt Dillahunty and Seth Andrews explain the fallacy of argumentum ad populum and try to guide Sam towards better methods of determining truth. The conversation becomes increasingly confused as Sam introduces concepts about God and economics, useful fictions, and brain holograms. The hosts struggle to maintain a coherent dialogue as Sam's arguments become more disjointed. Despite their efforts, the call ends with little progress made in addressing the original question.
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This conversation was over in the first 30 seconds.
I give them the first three minutes because the convo about misinformation was kinda neat
Gosh you waited a long time.
I would have given him the whole first 1 minute and ten seconds.
Once he agreed that we don't determine the truth of something by how popular it is, then I would have said "Glad we cleared that up, is there anything else you are confused about that we can help you with?"
Matt runs from people who can actually debate.
@@John-nv5zy lol, since when?
I’m a board certified neurologist in the US
I can confidently assert that the central nervous system does not contain any holograms….
Wrong, I have a hologram of free will in my frontal cortex, I know this because of the summation equation of images and free will 🤣
😂😂😂
many leading scientist say that there is a 50/50 chance we are living in a simulation. Therefore, you are wrong.
Wrong
No reflective or refractive panels or light sources showed up in my last brain scan.
1.4 billion theists still disagree about God.
Yeah. I've never met two christians that worship the same god.
They can all be wrong but they can’t all be right
If they all agreed that would be one thing... like imagine one sect of one single faith. It could still be wrong, but that would be hard to explain. It would be a totally unique idea unlike any other.
In fact, it would for me be evidence of something supernatural. Something as complex as a religion and not one person has a disagreement? That is honestly surreal, no idea jas ever done that.
It is only right that Theists should disagree about God. If there was no disagreement then God would - more or less - be approaching Quantum Mechanics - and also not be God, but Physics about which there are still partitions in opinions.
Do you disagree about God ?
If so,then why ?
I think that God must exist and cannot not exist.
If you think that something can come from nothing then I`d be interested in knowing how something can come from nothing whist God cannot.
@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 the only ones who believe something can come from nothing are theists: they believe their god's) come from nothing. instead, modern physics shows that something as always existed, there never was nothing, just something in a different form.
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." ~ James Randi
True but no amount of denial makes you smarter either.
It is possible that a person with great intelligence and high morals existed who was exemplary for being a person without any negative faults that was better than me and you as a person. That's not hard to believe or be a proven fact to be known.
Maybe some things are hyped up about Jesus Christ but maybe some things are not is what I'm saying.
I believe we can all be better people by being an example and being humble enough to believe in something or someone greater than yourself.
@@weirdo24-7 It is generally a smart person who denies claims of that for which not a shred of empirical evidence exists.
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing." ~ Mark Twain
@@johnwohara Sadly, intelligence in a certain field doesn’t equal intelligence in cognitive thinking, integrity, and empathy for starters as to be a person who should be looked at as a mentor.
Mark Twain has a very troubled past of not just narcissism but decision making.
I understand the aspect of being an atheist but it seems more stubborn and closed minded with bitterness towards people of religion that rightfully deserve it but not all that are religious deserves that treatment. I believe good people deserve recognition and Jesus Christ was an extremely good person that I believe existed but arguably hyped up by outsiders looking to manipulate the power of his words into their own perspective.
The truth is that while religion has brought the worst in some people it has also made the best people but Jesus Christ words are powerfully true in not just fact but in reflection of an individual’s life that has courage enough to go to the extreme for living for others for love.
@@weirdo24-7 Your baseless attack on Samuel Clemens is the stuff that has created the association of Christians to the word 'liar'.
"Nowadays, you can say practically anything about Jesus without creating offense--so long as you admit he existed. There was no such person." ~ G.A. Wells
@@johnwohara It's not an "attack" is where your wrong here. I'm discussing probability and cognitive thinking according to science, logic, and fact.
To be even more scientific, Some of the people were proven to exist that are named in the bible. Like I said, there's many things that we can agree on that is baseless and of no physical evidence but to say that Jesus Christ was not a real person is a stretch.
What your argument seems to be is that of religion but my argument is of existence, witnesses, testimonies, and scientific facts of the people verified to be alive and around Jesus Christ at that time.
Sounds like you are more religious than you think you are when you want to believe more than research.
start: How can they be wrong?
4 minutes later: There's no way of knowing there's a god.
Because it wasn't about god(s)'s exsistence, it was about why so many people like to accept it. It's an important question, and it was dismissed poorly.
@@MicheleGardiniif they didn't want to discuss god's existence, why did they call in?
@@corranhorn85 to speak about religion. It's quite relevant for the matter.
Yeah it's almost like these callers, and this one in particular, struggle to have even coherent or consistent thoughts.
@@MicheleGardini the only way the religion could be right or wrong is if the main purpose for the religion is real or not. Which, for most religions, is their god figure.
Why can't even ONE theist put forward an argument that isn't ridiculous??
The answer's obvious of course.
@@mandyplaydon9763I’ve heard some semi-convincing arguments there might be an unknown creator. But certainly never heard a convincing argument for any living god that has rules on how we should live or who we should worship. Why would an all knowing all seeing god care?
@@djsombreropictures4523NOT EVEN CLOSE
@@mandyplaydon9763 Atheist Experience has been getting the same kinds of lame apologetic arguments for more than 25 years. Theists haven’t made an inch of progress. (Guess why…)
And not even ONE theist caller ever admits it when they are wrong. The closest you'll ever hear them get close to that is them saying "I hear what you're saying and it makes sense but " ( and then keeps on claiming the same thing after they've clearly been shown they are wrong. )
@@casparuskruger4807 That said, Atheist Experience and all the other channels keep doing it not because they think they can deconvert the caller, but for the benefit of listeners struggling with doubts and needing to hear reasons to get out of religion. Every time a theist caller stubbornly clings to their failing apologetics, a dozen theist listeners get deconverted.
This caller gets a 10/10 on the insufferable-caller scale.
If he were trolling I would agree. Now it is mere naive utter incoherence.
9.5/10?
@@landsgevaer I don't CARE if he's trolling or not. He rates 10/10 on the insufferable-caller list. Period.
And your little one-upping "I have a deeper insight and understanding of this situation than you do" implication, only brings me to the point where all I want to do is say to you "Go. Fuck. Your. Self"
He goes to 11.
Aren’t the vast majority of people in India living in severe poverty? How is that prosperity?
As long as they’re sticking it to the Muslims, the Hindu majority is happy.
Well if that is metric for prosperity there’s only a few countries in the world that would qualify, and not even the US would be one of them.
@@AlexeiX1The vast majority of Americans don't live in poverty, let alone severe poverty. Indians either, but that's beside the point.
@@AlexeiX1Wait. Are you saying that there are only a few countries where the vast majority aren't living in severe poverty? That's crazy talk.
@@petem.3719 yup. You can think its crazy, but its not. I m sorry if the impression you get by living in butfuick alabama is that yall are super rich but that is not the reality for the majority of americans, and I would bet not even where you live.
Argument Ad Populum: A fallacy where something has to be true/real/exists just because it's popular. So by that "logic", Batman"s real.
Batman's not real. That's silly. Spiderman is, though.
Now frame that in the theist argument.....Batman is real because the Joker says so in a Batman comic book.
The most popular IP in the world is Pokemon so Pokemon is real
@@danielessex2162Don't be silly. The Joker is trying to convince everyone that Batman isn't real.
It's not popular to believe that Batman is actually real, so this seems like a false equivalence. You should instead compare it to something that many people really do believe in and end up being wrong about. Examples of this seem to be harder to find, but I think math has a lot of them, since it's both objectively verifiable and popular to be wrong about. Basically, the argumentum ad populum would imply that we should trust whichever maths would seem correct to most people, instead of trusting the math that follows from the basic axioms and may contradict popular belief.
What a bizarre mosaic of confused thoughts
Thats religion!
A jumble of old wires in a box that never opens.
I never heard such nonsense in all my life. This caller cannot be serious.
Oh yes, he's serious. He's just incapable of coherent and logical thought which he has coupled with extreme ignorance and delusion. Now, in his own mind, he is a brilliant thinker and never wrong. QED.
Oh yes he is. I only know because I heard this line before.
Unfortunately, this is the level of thinking for more than half of humanity.
He is serious, and don't call him Shirley.
Caller: incomprehensible ramblings
Matt: I’ll see if Seth has something to add. (Throws Seth under the bus). :-)
😂
Matt often does this to his co-host when he is done with a caller. But he usually can’t actually stay out of the conversation for long, because he loves the sound of his own voice. Good for him that so many people agree with him!
@@LOwens-xf8yo
'Loves the sound of his own voice'
Or has knowledge and wants to share it.
@@WhoThisMonkey Knowledge can be shared without the constant use of the word “I.”
Hey I’m a fangirl, but facts is facts. Matt interrupts, but gets furious when he’s interrupted. He has co-hosts on, but often without giving them a moment to engage with callers, and frequently interrupts them as well. And he is so certain he is right, that he some times doesn’t listen to the caller then accuses the caller of being deceptive.
But Matt does effectively get thru to a lot of people and for that I’m grateful. And when he’s not polishing his ego, he does great work.
@@LOwens-xf8yo
I've heard this a thousand times before.
Look at Matt's history and put yourself in his shoes.
Over two decades of hearing the same arguments over and over.
Think of it like a video game, with a dialogue wheel, when you've played the game a thousand times before, do you need to listen to all the dialogue, or do you see the beginning of what they're saying and already know the rest?
That's exactly what it's like for us who have been doing this for so long.
The majority of humanity are simply holding beliefs that make no sense, they are irrational beliefs and they can't actually be defended.
The problem is, the ones holding those beliefs don't actually understand that, they don't understand that their arguments are lacking, because they've never learned how to construct a valid argument.
You have to learn how to do that.
This is just the way it is, there's no bubble wrapping it.
The Gospel of Prosperity, Indian Style!
Exactly.
Chicken tika! 😂
@@amit_patel654
That's a phrase that was popularised in the UK.
Go to India and say tikka masala, and they won't know what you're talking about.
I don't know why you thought it was okay to say that anyway...
Also, there's so many better curries than Tikka masala, Dhansak for example is delicious.
@@WhoThisMonkey it was a joke bro
@@amit_patel654
Oh dear, it's a Neurotypical.
Yeah no, it wasn't a joke, jokes are funny, this was just generalisation.
My brain hurts.
That'll be the lightbulb for the hologram overheating. Take an aspirin, Apparently, that changes the bulb.
After that conversation, my hologram hurts.
He sounds like he has brain parasite.
R.J. Gumby
India has famously produced thousands of very respected and learned philosophers, Sadly Sam is not one of them. And speaking as an actual holographer, who has created his own holograms and studied them for decades, I can confidently state that Sam has no idea what a hologram even is.
He seems to have invented his own meanings for most of the words he uses.
@@kappasphere I wholeheartedly agree, but felt most qualified to comment on his misunderstanding of any basic holographic principles and terms. 😃
@@kappasphere Sounds like Jordan Peterson.
But how does he know that 1.4 billion Indians believe in god(s)? He doesn't and I'll bet that not all Indian people believe in god(s). So he's wrong to begin with.
Or even the same gods
There's 5 major deities with their own subsects and intermingling. New claimants continue to pop up. The complexities are staggering and that without accounting for nonbelievers.
Right? Signed an Indian Atheist
Maybe one billion know someone hot who says they believe in god - only saying it for social acceptance - so the first person is just agreeing to increase their chances. It happens.
My mother's side of my entire family are Indian and I don't know of a single one of my family members who is not an atheist myself included. Indian atheists definitely exist.
Spiderman is popular, must be real too.
"They can't all be true but they can be all wrong" I am not sure who said this.
Doesnt matter; its just a logical conclusion
First I heard it was from Matt himself. Not sure if he came up with it, but it sounds like something he would.
This was my first thought also
Kind of a theorem if you ask me
Me
All it took was first 30 seconds to completely dismantle callers argument.
But even as the callers argument was being dismantled he still lived in his fantasy world of make believe. There was no ability to be able to use logic to form his thoughts.
As someone who has aphantasia. I dont see anything in my mind. If i close my eyes and try and think of any flower. I just see blackness.
I know some people claim to see flowers, some can even see certain flowers.
But not for me. Theres no hologram.
that's terrible - my thoughts and prayers go out to you.
I hope you took that joke in the spirit it was intended.
Oh I've got that as well! It's always fun trying to explain having both that and anaduralia to people, it's always met with surprise like "What do you mean you can't see or hear anything in your head?" I can't 'think' unless I talk to myself either out loud or under my breath and I never knew until recently that it wasn't the norm.
There is no spoon.
Am I supposed to literally see images? I'm told to close my eyes and think of things and I just reflect on the concept; I didn't actually see pictures.
@@fedos My friend, you seem to have the opposite of a super power.
Phew! firstly the claim of all Indians are theists is wrong as a fact. I am an Indian and not a theist!
♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.".
♦"Only fools revere the supernatural myths & fictions just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth.".
♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.".
To me the hologram bit sounded very much like someone trying to talk about chakras without _saying_ chakra.
30% of the worlds population is Christian.
24.9 % are Muslim
15.2% are hindu
Already we have a large percentage of the worlds population that can't agree on the right version of God. The vast majority of the 30% of Christians interpret the Bible differently and have their own specific version of the same god. Why can't the 70% of people who claim to know the truth can't even agree?
If religion is the words of an all powerful being, why
Sheeple is a rare delicacy in parts of India. 💙🙃💙
it's because they don't eat cows.
@@bengreen171 we do!!! A minority, yes, but we do eat cow 😅
@@Yaoigirlforever
haha - shhh! - you'll ruin the joke.
@@Yaoigirlforever
haha - shhh! - you'll ruin the joke.
Atheists meaning of Fact: Something that has and can be tested to be proven to be true. Theist's meaning: Something they believe is true but have no evidence for. And somehow theists think that equates.
I think one of the biggest issues with Sam was a language barrier combined with some cultural differences. When I was in college, I knew an Indian guy who sounded fluent in surface conversation just like Sam, but he had some serious knowledge gaps about how Americans think and analyze information. Sam's use of the word 'hologram' is a big tip off here. I think he's trying hard to get across what we would term a 'mental state' there, but just couldn't make the connection.
The other thing I noted was that Sam was saying that he is inundated with religious culture and doesn't genuinely believe Hinduism is true, but it's so damn hard to escape (sort of like living in the American Bible Belt). He needs help and support, not ridicule.
I'm finnish and I have noticed that, even if we are part of the "western culture", I sometimes have difficulties explaining the European or Nordic cultural mentality to Americans, I don't know why that is..
@@DariusRoland nah i know many Indians and they have no such language barrier. Sam simply sounds like a student of Deepak Chopra. the language he used are word salads philosophical mumbo jumbo brought by Deepak.
Did Sam try unplugging the conversation then plugging it back in? Asking for a friend!
How can 1.4 billion theists all he wrong? Probably the same way all of the other people can be wrong.
I was wrong but I found 2 more people who agreed with me so then I became right since I outnumbered the people who originally said they were right.
1.4 billion people in India are prosperous and/ or fulfilling their desires? Sure let’s go with that, that sounds logical.
clearly this guy does NOT spend time in India. Unless he hasn't;t noticed the overwhelming poverty , crime, gang rape, etc.
@@tooluser Came here looking for this. India is not a great place. They are still a caste system so they are told they are poor because their god wants them to be poor and they just accept it. That's just scratching the surface of that place.
Yeah. This guy is living in denial.
That’s right, they aligned their economy with their god (whatever that means) and now it’s perfect of course.
India is a rich country but religion keeps it poor
Should have ended as soon as he uttered the word "energy".
Talk about a steaming pile of BS from the caller.. how the call lasted almost 15 min is beyond me
To help the audience develop the skill of dealing with bonkers BS sewers.
I think Matth is correct about the lying definition , but i dont think this is Sam's case.
I think making a mistake isn't the same as lying. But in Sam's case, he said he didn't know if X was true, and still pushed for X being true just because it was useful. That's definitely lying.
If I get the amount of money I have wrong, that's not lying.
But if I don't know how much money I have and tell you I have $1000 in my wallet because it's usefull to make other think you're rich, that sure is a lie.
I have never seen anything out of India that would show me enough prosperity to qualify as evidence for God. The opposite actually, the over population and constant suffering goes against the idea
Right? Their gawd told them not to eat all those "sacred" cows wandering around while their children starve
I'll give him credit... I hadn't heard this one before. 😂
Is this Deepak Chopra??
I think they are giving him credit for coherence he isn't demonstrating.
Well it’s only fair to assume that your interlocutor is of at least sound mind and rational thought. Giving people the benefit of the doubt is the kind thing to do. I would feel bad about ripping this kid up about his clearly unstable mental state.
Consensus is another word for "Argumentum ad Populum" which is the logical fallacy that the number of people who believe or disbelieve an idea somehow affects the validity of that idea.
When reason and evidence refutes the idea, no amount of "belief" can change reality.
*If nothing in reality can change your belief, then your belief is based on nothing in reality.*
I think I know what you are getting at, but they aren't synonyms. The fallacy is in determining something is correct 'because' many believe, whereas a consensus is a statement of fact about an agreement of most. A consensus of scientists describes many scientists coming to a conclusion, not how they got there. Hopefully on the evidence.
Love that last line in your comment.
Just like argument from authority, it's a fallacy depending on how it's used.
Relying on a doctor for their medical expertise isn't fallacious reasoning. But relying on a paleontologist's is.
In the same way, relying on the opinion of a group, if not nearly all, experts in a field who agree is not the same as relying on the opinion of a layman general population.
@@markoshun
A consensus is NOT a statement of fact. It's strictly a statement of opinion.
@@starfishsystems You are conflating the conclusion of a consensus with the fact of a consensus. That a majority of scientists agree X, doesn't mean X is true. But it would still be a fact that a majority of the scientists agree. That's a consensus.
He started with a basic aegument from popularity and then seemed to switch to some kind of colective energy bs.
The way my brain can imagine things is definitely higher than average, and I still wouldnt say it's a hologram that comes from the neck
That's really funny.
Before Einstein the entire world was wrong about gravity. Before Copernicus the entire world thought the earth was the center of the entire Universe.
Isaac Newton postulated gravity, and heliocentric models date back to Ptolemaic Egypt.
@@joshuaf.3723 Newton may have postulated gravity, but he didn't understand what it actually was.
@@charper9Newton figured out how it worked. Einstein figured out what it WAS.
@@denverarnold6210
Splitting hairs even further:
Newton figured out WHAT was the description of its effects, in other words a physical LAW
Einstein was the one to figure out HOW those effects come about, in other words a physical THEORY.
I feel like everyone is missing the point I was trying (apparently feebly) to make. I wasn't intending to give a history lesson, just trying to point out there are plenty of examples in history where large numbers of people believed something that didn't end up being true. Gravity isn't some fundamental force akin to magnetism, it's the warping of space-time and the earth isn't the center of the universe.
Ah, the by the bandwagon fallacy
Bandwagon's full please catch another
8:35 "When I live my day-to-day live, I try not to put my mind into it."
Yeah buddy, that probably explains why this train derailed.
"How can something popular be false?" 😂
As soon as the caller admitted there is no way of knowing whether a god exists or not, I'd have been done with the call.
Gobbledygook
It’s honestly kind of shocking to me that Seth seems to have never come across the difference between something being wrong or mistaken, and something being an intentional lie. Seth seemed genuinely caught off guard by the notion that those might be different. Hey Seth, here’s the difference; a lie involves uttering something that you know to be false with the intent to deceive. It is possible to say something that turns out to be fault, but is a genuine mistake on your part. In other words, you thought it was true, but you were just wrong. That is different than something you know to be false with the intent to deceive.
It is mere semantics, whether you include unintentional untruths into the set of lies.
Merriam-Webster online has one lemma #1 "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth" and another lemma #3 "an inaccurate or untrue statement; falsehood". Seth just used a different definition, that is all.
"It's easier to hypnotize masses of people than one petson" Edward Bernays- father of propaganda. 😂
I have no idea what the caller is talking about.
Well done Matt and Seth for being so patient. I would have been banging my head on the desk.
Seth has such a great voice. I enjoy his books on tape.
“What, you don’t like rice? Tell me Michael, how could a billion Chinese people be wrong?”
A hologram is a combination of a single laser split so that one shines directly on the photographic medium (usually glass) and the 2nd part of the beam shines on the subject and reflects onto the same plate. This creates what's called an interference pattern. The image has 3 ways of being viewed. there are two that manifest beyond the glass and one that can be created on the viewer's side of the glass. all dependent upon how it's illuminated.
He's describing the placebo effect.
Most of the proponents of placebo effect severely overestimate/exaggerate what placebo can do.
Placebo is potent when applied to the religious. Simply believing that this is a Gemini week galvanizes the gullible.
anyone could be wrong, we could ALL be wrong
All credit to the caller for a stable connection and clear audio.
The caller has all the tech support people on the planet within arm's reach - he should have a great connection & audio quality! 🤣
Good grief! This whole conversation was unnecessary. 🤦🏽♂️🤣😂🤣
He thought he was calling into the Sci-fi Writer's Idea's Club, not an Atheist call-in show.
It's not his fault his hologram sent him the message: "Help me Matt Dillahunty. You're my only hope".
Excellent love Matt and Seth.
The caller is just making subjective claim after claim.
Ok but can we all agree that Seth is a very handsome man?
I'm a straight male, mid 50s, happily married. And yes, yes he is.
So this guy thinks all religiouns are the same? Wait tilll he learns the truth.
I've been listening to Matt Dillahunty for over two years. Countless hours. And this may be the first truly insane caller I've ever heard. Idk what it is exactly about this guy and what he says but I'm baffled as to how he could think any of what he says is true.
Oh boy, this isn't close to the worst.
A question with another question for Sam. What of the 1.4 Billion next door neighbors who Don't believe be wrong? We Chinese don't believe in Mecha Shiva. They believe in Islam 300 Million, Atheism, Christianity, Chinese Pantheonism, Local dieties, Sea faring Chinese on the coast ie believe in Mazu. Even in India this 1.2 Billion don't just believe in Hinduism many believe in Allah 200 Million, Budda 8 Million Buddhists, or 21 M Sikhs, 26 M Christians (20 Million Catholics, one such Catholic in India a Nun missionary hurt many of them who were terminally ill. Guess who? She also laundered Scammer money, Duvalier money, and Mobster money).
As an indian, I am an indian.
As a non Indian, I can confirm that I am not an Indian.
This is what healthy discussion looks like
Listening to this guy has put me off studying Indian phylosophy - foerever !
Good. Instead you can focus on English spelling
@@0nFoot My spelling isn't too bad but occasionally I may hit the wrong key by mistake. How about you ?
@@wynlewis5357 Why the rush. Have you tried meditation?
@@0nFoot How about you ?
The reality is some of us could be right, all of us could be wrong, but all of us can't be right. Its all belief. Some realize this, the rest don't.
Sam is pulp fiction writer 😂
Nothing this caller said means anything. It's the same nonsense buzzwords repeated by fake gurus on TV. Vibrate to this frequency and become one with the universe!
Sam lost me... over and over again.
If I’m not mistaken, components of religious belief are currently (finally) listed in the MDS. Why even attempt to enlighten someone who, firstly, does not seek enlightenment, and secondly, is clearly clinically psychologically compromised against hearing discerning admitting comprehending anything contrary to what they already want to believe? I hope it’s for the listeners who may currently be deconstructing, because I doubt that it is either helping or hurting the staunch theist.
A lie has intent
Argument from popularity is still a logical fallacy no matter how many people are involved.
unless they are scientists...Right?
You're right, but the implications are important, and it could have been a good start to some reflections on the real reasons for the success of religion. Unfortunately everything ended with the usual zero-sum game.
@@gozardsmooth Wrong. Scientific consensus is not reached by popularity vote, but by evidence. I believe scientists not because they are scientists, but because they can back up what they say with actual evidence, while theists have nothing but "my holy book says..." and usually can't even provide a coherent argument for why they believe what they believe, let alone why someone else should believe it.
@@gozardsmoothnope, but the key point you're missing regarding scientific consensus is that it's not simply saying that "X is true because most scientists agree." It's based on replication of reproducible results by others, scholarly debate, and peer review.
In other words "X was found to be true because it was tested repeatedly by many different scientists and the tests came back with consistent results"
@@Abyzz_Knight Lies. This year they found countless false studies particularly in medicine. It is a false narrative that science is self correcting. And it does not change the new science "Fact" that 50/;50 we are living in a simulation. We live in gods belly and once he poops us we will see the true reality. Science is for suckers. Hitler liked science. And that is evil.
Hey "Sam"... the "god propaganda" was strong in Germany in 1935. Does that mean god exists, and that he favored what was going on at the time?
TELL ME MICHAEL HOW CAN A BILLION CHINESE PEOPLE BE WRONG.... IT'S JUST RICE~Lost Boys
"Matt, lets contact the Nobel Prize commitee right now, because they need to know about Sam". Great one, Seth!
He is a Troll, 100% , There is no way the hologram thing is legit thinking in India, (ooops its very unlikely)
I think the caller was well-intentioned but not very logical. I lost him at the hologram though.
Sam discounting other religions due to their connection to the economy, I'm sorry to tell you buddy but yours is too. Good luck unpacking that if you're willing to be honest.
I work in tech. Sam sounds like a lot of the Indians I’ve worked with.
Absolutely nothing in his responses seems to connect with the questions.
"Even if one is in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth." MK Gandhi.
I can't see what any of this conversation had to do with the price of cheese. It started with a fallacy of popularity, and then flew off the skip jump and didn't land.
6.6 billion people think Sam is a dumbass. How can they all be wrong?
You prosper if you wake up happy to greet the day. Poverty and overpopulation does not lend itself to great upbringing.
The caller sounds like an AI sentence generator. His answers are so incoherent, I hardly belive he understands English, as if he only has written answers and reads out a random one every time he is suposed say something.
1.4 billion theists, all have different interpretations of the same poor prose in their holy books.
There is no evidence that points towards the truth of deism.
According to most theists, most theists are wrong. I just extend that a bit - I think all theists are wrong
Are arguments for god actually getting worse?
LOL i don't know but comments criticizing arguments for a god are always getting better and more entertaining
The caller might as well say - there’s a god because bananas are yellow and peel fairly easily.
Thus god. Boom! Solved the case 🤣
Someone is asking this question while his religion isn't even the most popular one in the world.
The last Christian said 90% of prisoners are religious are they all right as well.
Hindu Nationalism is a helluva drug.
yes sir, very good point
Sam needs to get better friends if they keep "dragging" him into theism.
Yeah, prosperity! No poverty at all in India.
1.4 billion theists who can't agree on anything.
HUH? Pretty much sums up this whole call.
This caller should get a medal for best word salad chef of the year
As an Indian, I can tell you one thing - Sam is high as a kite! LOL
He has no idea what he's talking about. I noticed that you, Matt, cut him more slack than you usually do for Americans, because you probably thought that there are some cultural differences to account for in this case. But I can tell you, that I was born in India and spent 30 years there as well, and I can't make any sense out of what this guy is saying. You're not alone!
Most Indian people are theist, I'll give him that. But I can tell you one more thing, that many of us are also very very rational - despite the theist belief where we hang our logic outside the temple gate. I have never for instance met a single Indian guy in my life who thought that Bhagwada-Gita was true because it said it was true in Bhagwad-Gita. It was my first at the age of about 23 I think when I first met a Christian (Indian origin guy who drank the koolaid) who told me that Bible is the word of God and he knows that because it's written in The Bible. I felt a little insulted that day to be honest that he felt that he could use such utter BS logic on me. To be clear, this kind of circular logic isn't normal business in India despite the highly theistic nature of the country. My people are irrational, but Sam is an abnormality as far as I can tell.
"How could so many people, living in deeply religious places where everyone believes the same and tries to convince everyone since the day they're born, be wrong?" XD
Turns out that one wrong person can easily be convinced they're wrong, but two wrong people that reinforced each other's wrong beliefs for years are way harder to convince they're wrong. Now bring the number of people up to 1.4 billion, that's a lot of wrong people reinforcing each other's wrong beliefs XD
yep... it's a sad state of affairs for humanity. following the herd has diminishing returns on your intellect
4:25 See this? This is the exact moment Seth, Matt and thousands of people watching this including me went... "Waaahhh?????" 😅😂
what the fuck is this dude waffling about?