How Stow Gypsy Fair has changed since Jack Hargreaves went there in 1982 - Jack's Country
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2019
- In 1982 Jack Hargreaves went to Stow Fair to make a programme for Old Country. I went back this year to see how it has change since those days and met Johny Gumble, the son of a man that Jack had filmed, on his flat cart all those years ago.
The video includes some footage from the Old Country programme Stow Fair.
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My first job when I left school was maintenance and grass cutter etc on a local caravan and camping site, and a gypsy family would pull in a mother and son, the mother used to tell fortunes and stuff on the local pier. They had money and were polite fantastic people. Always made sure I was okay for food and stuff. I never forget that job and those gypsy's, the first I encountered. Way back in 1997.
Think they should do re runs of Jack Hargreaves late on a Sunday morning.Everyone watched it before Sunday dinner.Such a lovely programme.I especially loved him going fishing.As a girl I often went with dad.Nowadays kids just sit glued to the telly,mobile texting,non communitive,apart from the odd I'm hungry,order pizza',..I hanker after the old days,growing up in the East End of London.
These are real gypsies. Respectful, honourable, hard working and honest. So different to the modern crime families that hijacked the name for the protections offered to minorities nowadays.
Martin
Hi Martin, thank you for your comment which is in fact very true. Like any group there are always bad and good and certainly the Romany people I have met over the years are very honourable and hard working. We knew the granddaughter of Pricilla Wells (Queen of the Gypsies in the New Forest) and she sold flowers outside Woolworths in Southampton. All the flowers she sold she bought that morning at the market and would not take any state aid. In return they moved her and her husband Alf in their caravan down to live near Marchwood Incinerator which was not a pleasant place to visit let alone live near.
All the best Dave
Josh Gamer totally agree with you on that , this is how I remember the old school travellers in their vardo,s knocking on your door for a bit of water but now some of these younger ones just don’t give a fuck
@@Dannydawson537 Unfortunately that also applies to young non Gypsies too. It is the way of the world these days.
When you give in to sin and temptation the devil and the rest of the fallen angels will use you for all sorts of evil, but one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that jesus christ is lord
Dave Knowles - Filmmaker I totally agree with you on that point but as your vid is about gypsies now and then I thought I’d put my two penneth in whatever my comments say are in know way a criticism about your film great bit of filming and very interesting to watch to a lay man
When i was a kid the traveling ladies use to knock on the door and sell you clover or pegs, mum and dad always bought some thing, these people were friendly the men folk did gardening or knife sharpening, how times have changed
When we first got married and lived on the edge of the New Forest we also often had visits from gypsies selling lucky heather. One lady we became good friends with and she sold flowers outside Woolworths in Southampton. I used to often stop and chat to her when I was working in Southampton at Southern TV. This lady was in fact the grand daughter of the last Queen of the Gypsies who lived in the New Forest at Shave Green. One thing about Harriette was all the flowers she sold were bought early that morning at the flower market and she was a very proud lady and would never take any handouts. She lived in a very nice caravan with her husband and used to travel around until the council decided to give her and other traveller a permanent site. The problem was the site they were given was down a very muddy lane by Marchwood Incinerator where the atmosphere did little for her husband bad health.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker These were really nice people indeed always polite for sure and would help you for a small fee shame the modern ones have ruined their image however so has our current people so sad take care Dave
@@brianchester4218 Not all modern ones but we as humans always seem to remember the worse. When I look at all the mess the non gypsy people left a couple of weekends ago I do sometimes wonder if it is just humans generally that are the problem.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker There's no such thing as a gypsy queen/king,it's a myth made up by non Gypsies/false story by Travellers to earn a few shillings "Dukkering" /Hawking wares.
@@pegknife That is not quite correct. A Gypsy Queen, is a title given to female Gypsies considered leaders within their community, and/or through inheritance of title.
I wondered as a school boy how one man - Jack - could know so much about everything, I very much enjoyed his programs.
Jack is a legend. As someone who has tried broadcasting, I can appreciate just what an amazing talent and influencer he was. Jack Hargreaves has been the biggest influence on my new podcast, Fishing Tales. Great to see that you are keeping his legacy alive, Dave!
Hi Matt, Thank you for your nice comments.
Yes you are completely right. I don't think a lot of people know how special his talent of story telling was. He never had a script even into his late 70's and his memory for facts was better than mine has ever been. He just sat there watching a monitor running the edited sections (which he had only seen once before) and chatted over them.
I wish I could do this as although I now am doing the voice overs I find it very difficult even with a script.
Hi Matt, just enjoyed one of your RUclips videos. Maybe one day we could do a video together following a Jack Hargreaves fishing trip at the same place he fished and comparing it to fishing today.
Good old Jack. Touched so many lives and covered many subjects to
Hi David, Many thanks for your thoughtful response to my comment. I fully accept that the overwhelming majority of participants in Stow Fair are good people. I very much hope that they will prevail over the rotten apples.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with most of these comments about most of the modern day “travellers”. The few good ones are still welcome and, if they hold up the traffic with their slow caravans, no matter because they are courteous and respectful. Too many however feed off the local population; dog snatching is popular at the moment because of the high price of puppies; a lady we know was walking her dog on a lead when a stranger came up, pushed her over and cut the lead taking the dog. Eventually, the Police summoned up the courage to enter the No- go zone of a caravan “settlement” and found many dogs in there - and their microchips proved that they had been stolen. They also found stolen electric tools taken from peoples sheds. These kind of travellers may not even be the majority but they have indelibly stained the view of many people towards “travellers”.
He's a gentleman. He's holding the brolly over the interviewer.
He sure was Tanja as the rain was really heavy. All the best Dave www.daveKnowles.net
Jack Hargreaves brings back my childhood memories loved watching him 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing your memories with us Mark. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
I was in Stow in May last year and knew nothing about the fair but me and my girlfriend were walking down to maugersbury and we saw this magnificent wagon and stopped to admire it through the fence and the owner of it saw us and invited us in to look at it. It was absolutely stunning and he was so proud of it. Just discovered this channel. 1 new sub
Hi Alex thanks for subscribing. I have always wanted a wagon ever since we met someone locally who made two for his children. There is something magical about them.
i come from a rural background every gypsy camp ive seen leaves a load of rubbish and crap behind for other people to clear up including human waste thanks very much charming people.
Hi David Newman although I am not disputing your comments have you ever seen what is left after a music concert say at Glastonbury or the Isle of Wight. I think it is human beings in general that’s the problem. All the best Dave - Dave Knowles.
One thousand ,three hundred likes mate,and just 65 dislikes !! or would that be 64 plus YOU ?
David, only some travellers leave rubbish on land, most travellers treat the land with respect and have close friendships with gorgers as well!
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker Hi Dave, I am personally upset by all the negative comments that people have been posting on the RUclips comments pages at the moment, although I’m not a traveller myself, I support traveller RUclips users, and I hope that travellers are also able to enjoy your films as much as settled people do as well!
@@jakej2256 Thank you for your comments. I try and police my site and remove the really offensive comments as I will not tolerate abuse to anyone being posted on my RUclips Channel. I even at times get very offensive comments about Jack but on the whole the channels feedback is nice.
Wonderful - I wish they still made documentaries like this - the interviewer allows the people to speak for themselves without interjecting every few seconds so that the interviewee gets proper time to speak and we can actually learn something interesting from them - and the pacing of the editing is spot on - you get time to absorb the scene and the objects - unlike most contemporary television where cuts seem to take place every three seconds.
Hi Yamasaki ZX7R, thank you for your nice comments. I am an old style documentary filmmaker and I try and let the people I interview tell their story and then around this edit the programme. There are going to be a lot more in my series "Jack's Country" next year on all kinds of countryside subjects so I do hope you will keep an eye out for them. All the best Dave - www.DaveKnowles.net
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker Thanks again for a super film Dave, I have subscribed to your channel and look forward to seeing more of your work in the future.
I really struggle to reconcile this with my own experience of travellers. Growing up in Appleby gave me experience of crime, abuse, and horrific mess. It seemed a world away from this.
Hi Anderzander, like any group of people there are good and bad. Throughout our lives we have known a lot of gypsies and like the Gumble family they have been lovely people. I am under no illusion though that there are a lot of not so good and these unfortunately make it bad for the many good ones. What you saw on the film is just how it was. Jen and myself had never met Johnny Gumble and his family and we came across them just by chance and I am so pleased we did. All the best Dave -
One thousand ,three hundred likes mate,and just 65 dislikes !! or would that be 64 plus YOU ?
@@GSXRI300 Actually Ollie, most travellers certainly are honest, hard working folk themselves as well!
@@pegknife folks can like & thumbs-up the film and its romantic style, but the subject matter is as unsavory as a dog turd on the bottom of your shoe........
@@GSXRI300 you have a closed mind. Don't forget the vast majority of the settled community are and/or have been criminal offenders, and royalty's massive wealth has been acquired by theft and pillage and murder etc
I live in Stow on the wold. And we have to close everytime the fair comes because they trash the Pub i live in. Thanks for reading x
When they come to town burglary’s go up massively for the 2 weeks, 4 in one street alone. They come to the gym walk in without paying and because the police we’re phoned they decided to shit all over the showers in the changing room
Lozthewoz, I am sorry to hear about the negative impact some travellers have had on your pub, but I can assure you that most travellers wouldn’t do that and would respect gorgers property as well!
@@MrLukedanger Your reply is just ignorant and racist, most travellers don’t steal at all and you
aren’t supposed to swear on RUclips either, not all travellers are bad, there are many nice travellers
in life as well!
Too good for you ,we're coming a whole week early this year,so look out as we know who you are and your pub,Your beer and decor is shite by the way !
@@pegknife Im NOT against the travellers, I really like them and I totally respect them... I dont Like my decor or my beer btw either not me you should be telling that to... is the brewery!
Had the pleasure of knowing *Herbie Gumble* for awhile now. What a lovely man with a million stories & genuine kindness & warmth to him. Times I've been invited into his & "Aunt Silv's" beautiful house to see pictures of Herbs family & old days with his dear old mum in the painted caravan. These were the *REAL* gypsies & I feel privileged to have met one of what might now be a dying breed.
Thank you Deep Heat for your comments. I found the Gumble family who I met by chance at Stow lovely people and hope that they will allow me to call them my friends. Johnny and Kathleen made both Jen (my wife) and myself so welcome and as you say a privilege to meet. All the best Dave.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker
Many thanks Dave & thank you for these wonderful uploads.
I think the *Gumbles* have a big base in the Harlow area. Unfortunately I haven't seen Herb for awhile now & know he had some health concerns. He is probably one of the kindest most genuine men I know & has this wonderful desire to want everyone around him to be "family" & call him "Uncle Herb" & his Mrs "Aunt Silv" although Aunt Silv wasn't quite as keen on the idea especially when Herb brought a continual stream of people back to the house to show them his wonderful photo collection & artifacts from his traveling life!
Don't get me wrong, Herb was a force back in the day & his smashed & scared knuckles could tell a few stories but he is one of those very rare & special souls these days - a *REAL* character & deeply loved by all who know him. He was famous for breaking into a tap dance if you got enough whisky inside him down the pub!
I'm not easily brought to tears but in light of Herbs unfortunate recent health concerns, the last time I saw him I wanted him to know people loved him so said to him - "You know an awful lot of people think a lot of you Herb...." He just said - "I know boy....I know. "
Amazing. I assumed that everything from that time has gone. I loved Jack Hargreaves as a kid.
Hi RJ3220, No a lots of Jack's world still exists but it is getting less and less. That is why I am trying to capture what is left. Dave Knowles www.DaveKnowles.net
It’s all still there. You just have to visit Dave.knowles.net where you can buy the very same Rosey Lee tinted glasses Dave wore in the making of these films.
What? You knew Jack when he was a kid?
The window in end, is like a ship ❤️
I used to love watching Out of Town, it's where I go my inspiration for our countryside
Thank you Wetwheels. All the best Dave daveknowles.net/jacks-country/
Out of town was a great program have all the DVD’s.
This is how I grew up and I’d go back to living in my own trailer on a bit of ground in a heartbeat.
Good on you I’d say life was better in some ways than it is now
Can't say anyone would blame you joannie
The Town Jonny Gumble is talking about is Harlow. The reason for the order was the damage that kept being done by travellers. Harlow has fixed camps for travellers, yet they kept coming and disrupting sports fields, even the Crematorium. These travellers also stole whatever not welded down, people at funerals had their cars broken into. You reap what you sow.
Maybe that should also apply to non gypsies also.
Great thanks for showing
Thank you William. All the best Dave daveknowles.net/jacks-country/
Wonderful video, many thanks for the upload
Amazing video. Thanks for sharing this wonderful reminder of the past and for the updates.
Hi Thomas you are very kind. I am so glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed making it and being made so welcome by the Gumble family. All the best Dave daveknowles.net/jacks-country/
I love the calm relaxing music at the start... "calm and relaxing", something so juxtaposed against the traveller way of life
Wow what a lovely video, thanks so much for sharing. I found this so very interesting having grown up watching Jack on the TV as a child. Was almost like going back in time, thank you so much!!!
Thank you Trevor. All the best Dave daveknowles.net/jacks-country/
Lovely wee film* Thank you for taking the time & effort to share :-)
Hi nseight my pleasure. I am so pleased you enjoyed the programme. All the best Dave - Dave Knowles producer of Old Country.
Great to see this and well made. Good narration. Thank you!
+matt hale Thank you. It was great to make and I was so lucky by chance meeting Johny and his lovely family.
Another wonderful episode. Looking forward to more. Thankyou.
Thank you Fergus. All the best Dave www.daveKnowles.net
Thank you again for these wonderful programmes. I must say this has such great sound quality; something of a rarity today! Bless you and yours. G
+Gerald Hannibal Thank you Gerald for your kind words. I am a traditional filmmaker (no fast cuts and lots of loud music with no story) which seems to go down well on my channel. My early days in television taught me documentary filmmaking and that’s what I enjoy. I’m looking forward to being able to get out again with my camera soon and cover the numerous subject a I have on my list.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker Hello David. Thank you for your reply and I would encourage you to get that clapperboard working. Back in the sixties, I think I was there, I was at Watford School of Art with a real desire to make films. After qualifying they employed me as a technician to establish a film production unit, Bolex 16mm cameras, some pretty ordinary Black and white video cameras, very cutting edge then, and a moviola 16mm editing bench. By that time I bought an 16mm Arriflex and Uher tape recorder and set up Silver Fox Films. (Bet you never heard of me!) I bought these from a contact at the BFI called Jack Winters I think. He taught me about achieving a level sound response in my sound recordings. I went out and spent my Grant on a Ferrograph 8 recorder. Happy but silly times. I met Jack when I was applying for a grant at the BFI under Bruce Berrisford, to make my first short 'Horney Toad'. At that time an up and coming actress called Helen Mirren had just finished her first project and I think she went on to do ok. Unfortunately the Government cut Grant's before I got any finance. My goodness today it's so much easier with amazing equipment and technology so cheaply. But it's funny how things turn out because my son Thomas is now a special effects editor working mainstream and on several successful films. If you decide to make a film in Monmouthshire let me know as I live in Usk and would willingly come and carry your tripod. Best wishes Dave and thanks for what you are doing and will achieve. G
Gerald Hannibal Gerald thank you for your reply. It’s interesting how our lives develop. I wanted to go on the stage as my Grandmother herself in once parent of a family trick cyclist team (they even appeared on the London Paladium) spent hours with me helping me learn lines for school plays in the hope one day I would follow in her footsteps. She unfortunately died when I was about 11 and with her died the drive to take up acting and at the age of 16 my parents suggested I went for a job behind the cameras so I with the help of a family friend got a job in the BBC. Unfortunately it was behind a desk in artists index but I was told the was the bottom step to becoming a cameraman. Well surprise surprise it was not but it was the 60’s and I had lots of fun in and around London. Having come to dead end at the BBC I moved on once again with a little help from a friend who was a senior cameraman at the BBC to ITN. ITN was the place to be at that time. The camera crews were paid a fortune, they drove around in E Type Jags with blacked out windows and had girlfriends who always looked like they had just stepped out of Vogue. Unfortunately non of this was for me as I was down in the film traffic department shipping syndication films all over the world. I did however soon get promoted to the cutting rooms, via a short time in the film library where I worked with some interesting people such as a girl who was all edged to be the wife of Arthur Brown of the Crazy World of Arthur Brown fame and another strange person who was a personal friend of Peter Cushing and editing horror books when not logging films in the library.
Anyway back to the Cutting rooms where I became a cutting room assistant and while there I worked on the moon landing and many more amazing events including the Vietnam War and Dawsons Field where terrorists blew up a plane and we had an exclusive on it.
After this I moved to Southern Television as an assistant editor. After a year or two I was made up to News Editor then a full editor working or programmes such as Afloat, Out of Town, Famous Five, Talking Bikes (an episode I have on my Vimeo Channel) and their magazine programme Day by Day. After this I left Southern just before they lost their franchise and set up my own production company with a friend and when we eventually decided to go our own ways I decided to work on my own with my my wife as a producer on projects.
Well done Dave, a fine way to splice old and new, and keep alive Jacks' style of commentary.
Thank you Ingramdumpkiss. There are more on the way next year so please keep an eye for them. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
Exactly what I thought. well said buddy
Dave your doing a great job 👏 Thankyou very much for putting all this time and effort in so Jack's legend can live on. The man who once told great stories has become a great story himself. I'm only 22 and orginaly from Pakistan, I have a lot of love for old English history and peaceful times when everyone got along without so many fears lurking around. And thanks to you I I enjoy a beautiful part of glorious English history and learn so much. I will definitely be buying the full collection of this program so I can watch one episode a day every Sunday mornings.
Thank you Janan for you kind words and I am so pleased you are enjoying the programmes. As you probably have seen I am also making documentaries for the channel and they are the sort of stories that Jack would have made if he were still with us. I do hope that you enjoy these also.
Janan i'm 57 and never really travelled far from urban dorset - i remember watching these programmes as a child when they were first on the tele so its great to see them again and great that someone from a very different climate and culture enjoys them. The internet has made an opportunity for all of us to share our cultures in peace and interest.
as a boy in scotland loved the Jack Hargreaves
Being from nova Scotia I never grew up with jack. Just starting to learn about him now, we had a show called (On the road again ) that was similar. But Jacks show seems to be more about country farmers , very enjoyable. Thank you for sharing your time with jack. Cheers
Hi, Thank you for taking time to comment on the video. Unfortunately a lot of the subjects that Jack did are no longer but I am trying to root out what I can. I worked with Jack for many years and produced with him the Old Country series and it is these types of subjects I am always looking for. All the best Dave daveknowles.net/jacks-country/
Just found your channel. Brought back memories. Thank you.
Hi Mick, Thank you for your comments. I hope you will be keeping an eye for further programmes. I have a lot in the pipeline. All the best Dave www.daveKnowles.net
Dave Knowles - Filmmaker Yes, certainly will be doing. I like your subject matter but I am peeping over your shoulder to get some ideas for improving my own videos. Thanks and keep it up 👍
@@MickGrewcock If I can be of any help on your filmmaking please let me know. You can always PM me and I will try and help. All the best Dave
Dave Knowles - Filmmaker Thank you Dave. Appreciated.
Lovely idea to go back to Stowe Fair then and now. Thanks Dave
Thank you Tim, I have some other programmes planned where I will go back and find out how things have changed since Jack made a film on them.
loved the film , you have a new subscriber here thanks for the memory's
Thank you Brian. There are a lot more programmes such as this to come next year. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
It was a different breed of traveler 40/50 years ago, I knew a few, decent people with a completely different perspective on values than a lot of their modern day grand and great grand children. Thanks for the Vlog. BTW Dave do you remember Monty Modlyn? old Johnny Gumble is like a silver fox version !!!!
Barry Roach 50 years ago ‘No Travellers’ signs were common place outside pubs and other establishments that valued there lively hood and the safety of their regulars and Some might say that’s a very good reason. Even today pubs will shut in the area of a gypsy wedding, funeral or gathering. The police support this action too.
It was a totally different breed of society in those days. Not just the travelling Community.
Monty from my old manor, family shops down the Lower Marsh.
thank you
Enjoyed that Dave, cheers
Thank you English Country Life. I am so pleased you enjoyed the programme. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
I thought this a good basis for a series of films showing how things are now, compared to how they were then 😉
@@EnglishCountryLife I am thinking that I may do a few more like this comparing the days when Jack made "Old Country" to today especially as this one seems to have been very well received. They may also not only include Jack as I am building up a number of contacts who do remember the past as it was.
I think that's a great idea. Its also worth thinking that what seems commonplace to my youth (e.g. taking a rifle to school) IS "Old Country" now
@@EnglishCountryLife I have just been having a quick look at you channel. Your life looks just the life that Jack would have approved of. What part of the country do you live? If you don't want to put the answer on public view please PM me.
lovely painted caravans & its nice to see this fair still going its a shame its not bigger with more various stalls
Blackfurryrat yes it is a shame that it has got so much smaller than when Jack visited the fair but it's still worth visiting. All the best Dave - www.DaveKnowles.net
Thank you
what a great short flim,it is great to hear the tales on how they lived and got about,its so sad that this way of life is fading away,life now is moving so fast and thats a great shame,hope you make another flim on this way of living,x x
Hi Haley, thank you for your nice comments and I am so glad you enjoyed the programme. I have many more programmes similar to this one that I will be making next year so please keep an eye out for them. If you subscribe and hit the bell (if you have not) you will be automatically notified when I put the up. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker dave i like to live the old fashion life and im only 46,this modern living is way to fast,if i had my way i would live in the hills where you have peace,you keep your good work going and looking forward to watching your next one all the best and have a lovely xmas and a briilant new year x x
@@haleyayres5258 Thank you Haley and have a great Christmas yourself.
Great viewing
So pleased you enjoyed the programme. I never thought when we shot it that it would be so popular.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker it's wonderful viewing Dave. Thanks for uploading 👍
As a small boy I found jacks programs entertaining he covered all different kinds of things 👍
Hi Brian I think many of us remember watching Jack when we were kids. I certainly did. He and Mr Crabtree were my two fishing heroes. All the best Dave - www.DaveKnowles.net
Wonderful film .. all my relatives on my mums side where travelers . I spent all my growing years with them helping on fair grounds and staying with them when they stopped for the winter ... good people long gone , afraid most of today’s so called travelers have never stayed in a trailer much preferring there centrally heated houses ... a way of life I am afraid just about gone
Hi John, thank you for sharing your memories. There are you probably know a few who still live on the road and I am hoping to meet one next year to make a programme on them. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
Amazing history. Each year they all stopped on the Mynydd Mawr common, in nowadays Cross Hands area near me, South Carmarthenshire, West Wales.They used to help the shepherds with the sheep and grazing cattle end of each Summer, rounding up. A few still visit each year, but not many.
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They used to help the shepherds…by rustling their sheep
Could listen to Jack, all day long 😊
lovely
Thank you. Have you seen my Wickham Fair video ruclips.net/video/3KOqxc1TcdQ/видео.html
Sadly the travellers are not the same as they were back then , they have no respect for any thing or any one .
A bit like most People today sadly.
And why is that maybe because of the harrasment and bullying they received
‘Back then’ is a romanticised rewriting of history.
The dog fighting must have went on later
@@chucky2316 total nonsense...you have obviously never had the displeasure of having to live near a traveller camp
Boy that takes me back, i was a kid in the seventies, my best friend was a gypsy, his house had a huge Crown Derby on display along with a handsome saddle, if at school my mate got fed up he would open a class window & jump out, he'd wait for me at end of school so we could go exploring.
I was told that a fair at Kenilworth was drawing more travellers these days at the same time as Stow is on (can't remember if that is the May or October fair though).
I used to love watching Jack program and before that he was in "HOW" that was another great programme.
There is also show similar to that Stow one but it's the biggest in the UK at Appleby in Cumbria and there is thousands of them descend on the town and the shows on for a week. They bath their horses in the river and gallop them up the main street.
They used to bath the horses in the river,it ran a lot higher 40 yrs ago. you could paddle across it now.
@@lewiscollins1045 I'm on about them bathing the horses at the Appleby fair where they have police and vets who decide whether or not they can take their horses down the concrete slipway into the river where the horses have to swim some years as there is deep parts to the river Eden. Then they race them the main street to show off the horses to sell them. The Gypsy's were given a charter by a king hundreds of years ago and this is the first year that they have not had the Appleby fair.
@@1MartinWaite I know exactly what you're talking about, we had a caravan in Bramton when i was a kid, and would always be there for the horse fair. they would take them down the ramp at the side of the little shop by the bridge, the water would be half way up the horses neck back then.... i was there about 3 months ago, nothing like the same depth anymore.
@@lewiscollins1045 The depth really varies a lot, last year it was about 2 or 3 days into the fair before the horses were allowed in the river as it was that deep and fast flowing even then the horses were still swimming when they finally got into the water. This year with all the sun we've had it is a lot shallower.
I'm a traveller my self great video
Thank you Anthony I am so glad you enjoyed the programme. All the best Dave
judging by the weather i'm guessing this is the one in the summer.
In the later 1990's they held the fair at Andoversford, is it still?
No Whippets lol thanks for sharing sharing
Thank you Tony.I am so glad you enjoyed the programme. There are many more to come. Dave Knowles www.DaveKnowles.net
my mothers side of my family are romany gypsys and very proud to be , sadly i never got to see or talk to my mothers farther as he passed away not long after i was borne.
These are the true gypsies of past and present honourable guys , nothing like the ones around here Manchester they’ll take your grandma to the bank for a missing slate , sad how it’s got like this who’s to blame?
We have a horse fair in our town, once a year.
Teenage travellers walked into McDonald’s, started stealing people’s food, spitting on people. Women and children left distressed. Staff rang police, got them ushered out.
Later there dads came down, and beat the manager up, because he
“Showed disrespect for standing up to them”
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Please do not judge all by those that do bad. Both Jack Hargreaves and myself have known many very good Gypsies and I include those I met at Stow who would condemn the types you are talking about as I would condemn those who carry out awful crimes in our community. All the best Dave
Dave Knowles - Filmmaker
Thank you for your feedback. I spent 2 decades in private sector. I mostly see the bad, it’s hard to remember that overall is good.
However there’s a video of a gypsie site. Where visitors were shot at, then pursued on public roads like smokey and the bandit.
Every town has its players.
Dealers
Thieves
The difference I find when tackling these individuals is they don’t cry about the disrespect in being pulled up.
For me it’s the entitlement these travellers have, and asking others to obey laws, they don’t stand by at all.
I understand a part of the feeling of home free. My van is ordinary looking, however I converted it inside. Bunk, stores and supplies. Some stove. I get surveillance and security work. Even though I’m retired, I get the odd job. I also still train others, so rather than getting expenses like hotel accommodation, I use spare funds to keep van updated.
I find a dark corner or an isolated verge. When I leave an area there’s no trace of my presence. Another reason people get miffed, (fly tipping)
The feeling of freedom, waking up in a different place and living in your own terms, I get it.
Cromwells Ghost that’s truly shocking disgusting behaviour like ferrel animals I watched a gang of travelling kids run into my local supermarket and ransacked the place in broad daylight while the parents encouraged them
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker Might condemn them but wouldn't dob them in .
We get gypsys collecting scrap lad that took old oven was one of the most polite
Lads I've met all gypsys I've met have been grand
Thank you for your comment Indiana 146. Happy New Year.
Back in the 80s in Torquay the handmade carnation flowers on the B&B tables were all made by the travellers & didicoys that came door to door.
Good horses and tack
A lot of it. But horses are so much the way of Gypsy life.
I grew up in Barnet, north of London and each year the fair would come, Danters fun fair one side of the road and the horse fair on the other side. As a 13/14 year old I would get paid 2 shillings for every wild pony I rode that sold. These pony were straight off the moors, new Forest etc and had never had a weight on their backs, I would hang on for dear life, no bridle or saddle, just a rope put on the pony's head like a bridle.
When the fair closed I would rush home and get out of the muddy clothes, have a shower and then head for the fun fair, with 2 bobs jingling in my pocket.
Oh yes I would buy mum a box of Cadburys each day, as she had those muddy clothes to wash.
Thinking back now I just hope they went to good homes.
+Good Moaning Vietnam Thank you so much for sharing such a nice story.
Hard to reconcile this image of traveller folk with experience of people who’d nick anything not nailed down, leave rubbish - including human waste - behind for others to clear up - and seem to see the rest of society as a cash cow to be milked or victims.
It's Me Here Most it is only the few that are bad just like non travellers. If you look at the behaviour of non travellers/Gypsies on our beaches and in places such as The New Forest (where I live ) every day at the moment I think you may say the same of them but they are only a very small proportion of the population fortunately. The only difference is that in the future we will forget how those people have behaved but seem unable to forget how the very few bad gypsies have behaved in the past.
Go ask any farmer what he thinks
One thousand ,three hundred likes mate,and just 65 dislikes !! or would that be 64 plus YOU ?
Its not just the loss of gypsy culture its also our culture, a culture we had no problem with for centuries. Everyone non gypsy loves the fairs but get suddenly hypocritical if they pull over for a few days near them.
Thank you for your comment.
Not allowed to provide your own shelter these days, you have to rent or buy a home.
Is this still going?? What about Abergavenny horse auction?!
I filmed this video at Stowe last year so yes it is still going although these days much smaller than the time Jack visited it. I am not sure about Abergavenny so maybe someone else who visits here can comment on this.
My uncle George king 221 rip xx
My grandad John King, miss him dearly x x
The rip off king
@@strontiumstargazer3124 get fucked!
Such a rich old culture. Peace.
Frank your not dead !
I love the "proper" gypsy way of life - have the honour of knowing a few gypsies where I live!! Thank you for you-tubing this 😊
+galen marick I am glad you enjoyed the video.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker certainly did thank you
Lurcher dogs .. brings me back to Belfast. of course not all travelers are bad people there’s good and bad in us all. Well done Jack.
as the song goes”, I’m a freeborn man of the traveling people”
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can't see any periwinkle blue.
ive got traveler blood in my veins my ancestors where fair ground travelers love them
Now there's not so many people who would understand your name one or two of the old speak people like us might LOL kushti bok
Who else could go to sleep listening to his voice
the canvas topped traveling home, is called a Winnebago, if somebody died in it, it had to be burnt and replaced with a new home. that's why you won't see a lot of them around today. nowadays it's trailers and vans, and there's still a problem, of where will they let you camp ? the authorities just want them all to disappear, as if, they never existed
5.57 Should be the same everywhere
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2:46 isn't that Royal Worcester...?
Not sure but generally they like Crown Derby,
Is there any left in Ireland or are they all over here.
follow the lead.. you will find them
What a wonderful film my wives Roma, my side just gypsy was lovely to watch my god that guy was a double for his dad
Thank you Richard. I am so glad you enjoyed it. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker and to you
@@richardsmith70 If you enjoyed this video I hope you will enjoy the many other Jack's Country videos I have ready to be made. All the best Dave
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker look forward to seeing them
The good lob day s 🍀🍀
Great memories..of a great programme..
Whenever i hear the tarrega theme tune i think of jack .
Quite a lot of negative comments regarding modern travellers.
I once heard a story of romany being blamed for making the crucifixion nails.?
Then another of stealing some of the nails,thus making jesus' death easier..so they were pardoned for theft?
Perhaps your work will give more insight into a community on the fringe of society,who once flowed against the grain.
But are becoming more mainstream and being consumed,like us all ,by commerce.
Look forward to your research.
Hi Jms signwriting. Thank you for your comments. Please note the following is not aimed at anything you have said it is just explaining what my channel is all about.
My programmes are far from commercial ventures. Stow Fair for instance probably cost me about ten times the amount in expenses that I will ever earn back from it from RUclips. It took also two days travel and filming and over a week to develop and edit it once shot.
I am just a documentary filmmaker who makes programmes based on what I see and hear when filming a story. I don't do a lot of planning as I prefer the story to develop from what I find. I do hope that my programmes are honest in their views and I do not wish like so many these days (especially on social media) to take sides and often express the extreme views on others without researching those views to see if they are correct. This is not my job as the producer and director of "jack's Country".
Jack did not in his programmes make judgement and neither will I. I will just tell the story as I see it without judgement.
There is too much hate in this world and I will not allow this channel to add to it.
Once again this is not at all aimed at your comments which I found rather interesting and ones that I have not heard before.
All the best Dave
Who will clear up all their mess this time !!
Hi Warren, as I explained in the programme the field is privately owned by three Gypsies so I assume they will clear up any mess. I would say though there was little mess when we were there. As for the town there was hardly any signs of the travellers there and in fact when we went out to eat the night before I wandered if we were at the correct place as everything was very quite. All the best Dave - DaveKnowles.net
Fuck off. Leave em be.
fool they own the field what a fool
John Slack If only they would leave us be
Alan Shillito Probably tarmaced over now like the gypsy owned fields round my area
Jack Hargreaves , the Patron saint of the shed.....
+Kim Fielding Never thought of that before....
Never knew he was a Chelsea supporter.
Australian "Redback" Boots .Do your feet a Favour.
Is this stow, as in stow on the wold just heard it is, I used to work round the cotswolds but i hope the travelers don't shit this place up, like they do a lot of places hopefully they respect this place of beauty.
Yes it is Stow-on-the-Wold and having been there to film I found no problems at all. I cannot talk about other years but in 2019 the town was so quite both my wife and myself when we went out to eat the evening before the shoot thought that fair may not be on. The following day when we went to the fair we were treated with great friendliness by all the travellers we met and talked to. As for the Johny Gumble and his family who we met for the first time I would now call them friends.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker yeah it wasn't the noise I was on about, like someone else mentioned If you look at the comments on another event similar at appelby, it was carnage and is every year with rubbish everywhere the council have to hire lots of rubbish pickers with black bags after it to go all round the fields cleaning up.
The fair is now held in a field owned by the Gypsies and it all seemed quite clean to us. Unfortunately as for mess though this seems to be a human thing when big groups get together just look after a pop festival how much rubbish and filth is left.
Please pardon my ignorance, does that mean Johnny gumble has indian blood? Like the ones in Romania and here
Not sure John.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker it really puzzles me the romanis are different to the irish ones. If you trace it back ,all be it rudimentary on my part, they're related to the darker more commonly eastern European ones. Dont bother replying😂 im rambling. I hope somebody will read this and set me straight
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker side note. Did they go to the moon?
Pleasant positive video, a pity the ways have been changing and society has made the travelling life harder. A pity too there is so much hostility towards and persecution of romanies and travelling people.
I do try and keep the bad comments off my channel and therefore remove any I find. I would add I also have had really nasty comments about Jack Hargreaves which I also remove. A lot of the hostility seems to come from people who have not experienced the things they accuse the the gypsies of doing so to me this makes it even worse. I do however realise like any walk of life there are good and bad people but it is unfair to lump them all together.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker Well said
What is a traveler?
Stow-on-the-Wold now shuts down for the Stow Fair. Pubs and shops get boarded up. Why? Because of the crime and abuse from the travellers. In 2012 men from the Fair urinated in the Tesco freezer chests. When the unsaleable stock was thrown into the bins at the back their women picked it up. The same year a party of twelve went to a pub in Burford, ate and drank to the value of £400, then “discovered” a piece of glass on one of their plates and left refusing to pay a penny. If Travellers want to stop discrimination against them (and some of it is undoubtedly unfair and unjust) they should better control the wronguns. It’s easier to live a free lifestyle if you don’t selfishly wreck other people’s lives. Respect is a two way thing.
Hi Adam thank you for your comments but I do not recognise the description you gave. The year we went to film there, we arrived in the afternoon and there were no gypsies to be seen. The shops were open and trading. In the evening we went to eat very close to where the fair is held on private land and once again no one to be seen other than a few people eating out at the restaurants that were open. I do not dispute that there may have been problems in the past although I cannot comment on that as I was not there and know that sometimes things are exaggerated. One thing I will say is most Gypsies that I have met despise the way the few bad ones behave and don’t forget that non Gypsies (just look at the beaches after the first lockdown) often behave badly but once again it is only the minority.
Just wondering!! And their belongings??
Having known many Gypsies the majority like non Gypsies are very law abiding people.
Love and respect to this, but nothing like my experience of gypsys in any way shape or form.
Johny and his family were lovely people and I have kept in touch since meeting them by chance that day.
Where are all the stolen tools etc?
It’s changed very little but nowadays Dogs and Catalytic converters are more popular among our Nomadic brethren.
No lurchers at the recent fair.
I didn't notice any Lee but the weather was awful so I was trying to get all the filming done before the rain came down too heavily to film and therefore may have missed them. All the best Dave www.DaveKnowles.net
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker no worries
The old Gypsies used to travel round the country doing crop picking and hop picking jobs , now its tarmack your drive with 1mm tar and run .
Ainsley not Crown Derby…
The UK has changed so much. Travellers have been forced to live in fixed accommodation and all the common land is going. Travellers don't help themselves though. My grandmother was a Romany Gypsy. Could never understand why they thought they were better than "Gorja's"
I must agree with you but unfortunately I don’t think things will ever change the gap has grown far too wide. I try on my channel to moderate views as I really do not believe the majority of Gypsies are bad. I have and know quite a few but like non gypsies the bad ones get remembered and the ones that are law abiding and just get on with their lives do not get noticed.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker I'm from the new forest and loving the content btw. Learning about towns I've cycled through.