Ford Mustang 2024 , It's A Great Car, But....
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- Ford's 2024 Ecoboost Mustang with the Performance Package is awesome. However it's watching your every move and could turn you in.
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You don't own this car, you simply paid money to drive the manufacturer's car.
The Ferarri way!
It would seem so, at least to some extent.
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
@@ThomisticAmerican13FOX that's what those psychopaths think. not this guy and not anyone i know LOL They can keep that hunger games bull$hit over in the EU! it's not flying here!
EULAs and Licensing in a nutshell. Same goes for many purchase nowadays, save for inanimate objects like clothes and furniture.
Next generation Ford: "I'm sorry Greg, I'm afraid I can't do that."
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when you turn the key....
"Open the door, Car!"
Does this mean that we really will have to name and talk to our cars?
@@BaldGuyYoYo You're mind control chip is malfunctioning. You need to go to CIA headquarters and have that looked at.
I thought I was the only one concerned about this! I just purchased a beautiful 2023 Charger and the telematics send vehicle information to a main Mopar website. They know the condition and history of my car right down to current mileage, etc. It creeps me out and is intrusive to say the least. The vehicle interaction with my mobile phone is more than problematic enough.
What kills me are the folks who shrug this off, in addition to all the other societal violations of our privacy, with a "I have nothing to hide, so I'm not concerned" attitude. They miss the whole concept and principle of "privacy"!
if you have a cell phone or a plan for the car, your already part of the matrix. Your phone shares all this and more about you with Apple/google/ ATT/Verizon etc. The mechanical renaissance will come back one way or another. I'd love to get a decent fox body from 1990, and just daily drive that forever. Government and corporations are into to much BS these days. Mad max predicted the future...
You could always deactivate or block the mobile network modem in the car and not connect the car to home Wifi. It can't transmit anything to anywhere if it has no signal.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 I'd bet the minute you take it to the dealership for any kind of service the first thing they'd do is hook the car up to their network, and all that info that is probably stored in the cars memory is transferred to their database. Then you could say "don't ever take it to the dealership", but that wouldn't be realistic for most consumers as you'd be throwing any warranties out the window
@@bygo6893 It depends on the service that needs to be done, not everything is a OBD hookup. You can block the OBD port as well so no one can hook up to it, as "theft prevention".
Also, new cars / trucks will be on the road longer than their warranties, for the most part (except EVs, that will crap out and get scrapped along with the main battery's 8 year warranty). Once the warranty is up, so are dealership service visits.
@SevenSixTwo2012 no I have something much better. See surveillance aka spying works both ways. If they're spying on us we can use that same equipment to spy on and survey them as well remember S.M.A.R.T. (Surveillance, Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting, Technology) can be used on them as well. It's all about leverage. That being said let's leverage this in our favor and spying back. I think doing so we will learn most everything we need to stop them.
I'm disgusted by the level of surveillance occurring from every convincible angle. The worst part a majority of people don't care. Few can see the inevitable dystopian future that lies ahead as these morally hollow companies incrementally push the boundaries. They now have so much data they wield a dangerous amount of power. Anyway, it's always comforting to hear from others with similar views. It's no surprise someone as wise and articulate as Greg shares some of these views. It's the naive youth that worries me.
Naive idiots exist in every generation, I'd argue it's the older generation that you should be more worried about. The youth come with innate understanding of tech that old folks ain't got. Most of the young people I know wouldn't be afraid to just rip all that surveillance crap out of the car. No antenna = no data for Ford.
@enermaxstephens1051 I'd have to disagree there. Some of my younger relatives have no clue about all of this. And you can thank the schools for this. One of my nieces came home and said that they learned what a lesbian was that day. The bs side is she's only 8 years old. Her dad doesn't really push them to go to school anymore. They still do because you know the law in some states. However, what are they actually learning. The answer is nothing. The stuff I learned about, like the trail of tears and how the 🇺🇸 is a gigantic melting pot of religions and ethnicities all blended together well. One of my older nieces said that they stopped teaching history civics and more. In fact, one of her teachers in middle school who was still trying to teach them was threatened the loss of her job, and the town is too small to find other work she was transferred down there. She said that was the last year it was taught and all they actually learned was about Greek mythology and how great it would be to move to Greece. Thankfully she has a good head on her shoulders and immediately started questioning them. To which they tried programming her and telling her what to do and how to act. She now lives down by me and has learned to question everyone and everything always. I have also taught her to think for herself and when she started with men and women are exactly the same well not to worry I gave her the type of work men do and hobbies they have. Cool side is a couple of the hobbies she wants to know more about. The work side, however is isn't really fond of and would consistently say it's not worth it. Lately that has been changing though and in a good way. She is still taking out the garbage but I no longer teach her the way boys get taught. She was only able to handle a soft push for that way for a handful of days. I explained xx and xy and binary again and she finally started to understand math. She still doesn't like it or want much to do with it lol. I was telling her how easy-going and laid back I am and her and a family friend said yeah right. The family friend had seen my niece try to put back one of my tools 🔧 without cleaning it and starting to put it in the wrong place. I said a place for everything and everything in its place. Then my niece chimed in how my tools are new looking and barely looked used. I said that's because I take care of my tools and you Will learn how to properly do so as well. I said see easy-going and agreeable we all laughed. I'm just glad I was able to get through to one of them. And who knows hopefully more will follow her lead. I am hoping that more start to see what's really going on without the need of help removing the blinders before it's too late. I did hear one of my younger relatives get a little more intrigued when they realized they could do more than they first believed. I just hope they use the new knowledge wisely. I think what they are doing like always is listening but also starting to hear the have the ability to sat NO! to this oddball future if they want too.
@@forsnuggles All of yall are only recently learning about what we knew in the 1990's. I was there and I could see the libtard all over most of my teachers. I can remember in 1996 they really really wanted to teach us this stuff, but they just couldn't. But they dropped every hint they could possibly get away with. As for the tech, there's pretty much no question that older folks are far behind. Just as when they were young, the old folks of that era were behind and my great grandfather told my grandfather his 1970 jeep "looked like it was from mars" and he wouldn't ride in it because of that. This is the way it's always been. Just because those kids aren't taught about their Orwellian overlords, doesn't mean they couldn't dissect the car easily once they have learned. And then have their buddy write or modify software that they later flash the computer with. Completely erasing all of Ford's efforts to spy.
Don’t be scared. As Bobby gulespie sang , ‘what I got in my head, you can’t buy steal or borrow’
I can see it and don't have one of these cars but fear not, the Wef socialists in our government are going to prevent insurance for older cars turning everyone into crimnals or forcing them into black box cars
Meanwhile my early nineties barge is so clueless about its own operation that it won't even throw a code until the engine dies from going too lean
My '81 barge has oil tube connected directly to dashboard pressure gauge and if I don't watch it, it's my fault. The only thing that could be considered 'code' is battery discharge warning lamp.
Hmm. Seems like cars are kinda like dogs, there's an intelligence sweet spot where they cause the least amount of trouble. Too stupid, and they can't get themselves out of trouble. Too smart, and they get them into trouble.
i draw the line at the seatbelt alarm. any car modern enough to have it will never come to enjoy my fat ass on its seat.
My W123 300D Turbo has no computer chips at all, can be run without a battery, alternator, starter motor, or glow plugs (if plugged up). Same for MFI Peugeot and Isuzu Diesels.
I'll be driving my 04 Jetta TDI until I'm too old to drive. No car with OnStar or any other tracking, monitoring devices will ever have my name on the title.
3:14 - "Dad, I can't get your car to go over 80MPH'. That conversation with my dad would have gone in a whole different direction. LOL
Haha right?
That's normally a butt whooping 😂
That’s what I was thinking 😂
“Dad I can’t get the car over ....... never mind “
Funny....i only have to add.. on the autobahn. Gets my ou of trouble.
My dad would have made that statement before me, but he`d have found that out on the test drive
As a longtime mustang enthusiast, this is a real eye-opener. I haven’t really planned on trading my 2009 mustang in on a new one. Now I know for sure I will not. I will keep my car until either I or it fall apart.
_And when the Mustang falls apart, buy a Toyota/Lexus from 2010 - 2017._
Good decision. My 25 year old Tahoe runs great and as long as you take care of your Mustang you should be able to get at least 30 or even 40 years out of it.
Yea my 01 is still running fine and doesn't talk down to me, think I'll stay in past if this is the future lol
And remember, a good car never falls apart. It's all just a question of maintenance. There will be expenses in the long run but at that point ask yourself two questions: what is the cost of privacy? And what is the cost of depreciation?
Rick, now your on the right track. Do not comply willingly
I think this is an important video. Greg has spelled out the kind of concerns we should have on devices brought to the market. There is legislation on the books to protect our personal information, but it appears not so apply here or manufacturers are ignoring it. Time to force a course correction for manufacturers of all of these devices (cars, cell phones, anything with a cpu)! What appears to be a minor data collection of our personal info can turn nasty very quickly.
On the reverse, congress has passed a law that forces manufacturers to include a system to observe driver's activity and force a shutdown. I think a lot of elected folks are realizing this is bad, but I am worried they are just saying that because it's due this January and some just think that's too soon and not a ridiculously terrible law.
The best 'fix' is to not buy the car. That is a lot late if you find out after the purchase.
I blame all the self driving car tech that WAS promised 10 years back.
@@PatrickKniesler
Leftism:
There is No Power Higher than Government-
The Individual has No Rights-
Don't be fooled by "privacy" laws. The "unintended" consequences are intentional. Stop trusting big government.
@@PatrickKniesler 26% of Congress has Citizenship in other countries ... 43 members of the House & Senate have ISERALI CTIZENSHIP ... This has to END !
I'm glad you brought up this issue. There are so many people out there who love all the services and features, but have no idea just how intrusive all that technology is.
I personally hate all of it. Oh fuel injection is fine, maybe traction control, but anything that collects data or reports back to a mothership is crap
the masses are asses.
@@bb5242which is basically everything in our lives, from phones to refrigerators.
IF you didn't pay enough taxes you own car will lock you in and drive you to the Cop shop and print out the report on you for them when you arrive
Most people are way more stupid than any of us are willing to admit.
I couldn't agree with you more Greg. Modern cars have far too much electronics now, and their internet connectivity creates huge security risks for all of us. This is part of why I don't have a modern car. Most of mine vehicles are 50+ years old because they are simpler, easier to repair, and usually increase in value over time. Keep up the great work Greg!
I bet you don't own a 50+ year old phone, let alone, a 6+ year old phone.
@@qx4n9e1xpwould any mobile (cell) phone over 6 years electronically still be active ?
@@qx4n9e1xp Your phone won't keep you from traveling to another state.
@@qx4n9e1xp A car is isn't a phone, and phones aren't built to last anymore either. Kindly shut up Mr. Did I Catch You Having Fun.
@@qx4n9e1xp *_What is your point, brainless?_*
These items you discussed, from what I've heard were added and passed through both houses in the 2022 infrastructure bill. They will be mandatory in all vehicles in 2026. The only way around it is to defund it. Good video Greg, thanks.
I call that bullshit. Show the parts of the bill that mandate this.
@@sejtamignorance is bliss, isn’t it. Well, google is your friend.
@sejtam It's not BS. It also has a kill switch mandate to disable cars if it detects alcohol, and probably remotely by cops. Thomas Massie has been trying to get it defunded out of the bill for a while now. You are a fool to assume any power grab rumor is BS from this government.
@@sejtam www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text
you want [[Page 135 STAT. 832]] and a little past that.
@@sejtam No, he's correct. They tried to get it removed from the bill just this month, but it died in congress.
It is just a matter of time before your insurance company will require you to allow them to gather vehicle data from the maker of your car... and the car manufacturer will be more than happy to charge them for handing over your data... which means that your insurance company passes the cost of invading your privacy directly back to you.
Progressive already does that.....
@@Flies2FLL Allstate also has a drivewise program where they want you to plug a device into your car so that they can monitor everything you do in it. What I was talking about was insurance companies purchasing your data from your car company so that they can eliminate the choice you have to not plug in the device.
@@srhatfield I doubt any of them do that. Yet.
Progressive has what you are talking about, a monitor system. If you install this, you get lower insurance rates from them. No thanx!!!
@@Flies2FLL yep 👍 they don't do this yet, but they will.
They will start by offering a discount to those who voluntarily hand the data over, then make it mandatory when enough people sign up, or charge you a fee if you refuse. They did this with the smart meters.
100% will effect your social credit score for obedience in compliance to the government. Also expect tickets for all traffic infractions to be mailed to you with your car being the cop giving it to you. Lastly you better vote correctly or you get on a list. One of those lists will restrict your “driving privileges” so if you want to drive, vote the right way.
Holly cow! A face reveal! It's good to finally meet the face behind the awesome voice.
He's shown it before
Yup, I have been on camera a few times over the last few years. With these automotive videos it speeds up production because I can have one of the workers in the shop set it up and film. All I have to do is talk.
Yup. Greg has even been seen in his pilot’s uniform. It even looks official 😎 love the channel G
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobileswait so you own a garage? Neat!
Not what I expected. I was hoping for a Black Native American Latinx Non-binary Transfemme Hijabi in a wheelchair. Disappointed.
I work in automotive R&D and knew these kinds of reactions would happen the moment I was told about the systems being developed. My fear is that people won't understand anything about how/why they're implemented and will just blame the manufacturers for creating annoying products.
These things ONLY exist because of legislation created by the people you vote for, so hold them to account for it!
Stop being a child. Voting makes a difference? Yes and santa is real too along with tooth fairy.
You choose who you work for. If they ask you to commit heinous acts it's your choice whether you comply or not. Oh but you were just following orders. Because they pay you.
only exist because corporations lobbied the government to do it
Forget the airplane videos, this was hands-down, the best video I’ve ever watched from your channel. I am firmly set against government intrusion in peoples lives, and I’m glad you brought this to peoples attention. Thank you and carry on
This is corporate surveillance, not government surveillance.
@@endall39Don't be so stupid , anything that surveils you , as stated " when requested by Law Enforcement , is Government based .
@@endall39 Do you think there's a snowball's chance in hell they aren't hand in hand?
@@endall39 Government funded this surveillance using our tax dollars, it's a corporate dictatorship at this point... and it's communist/marxist in nature, don't get it twisted.
Greg, just out of curiosity, how is the "Right to Repair" dealt with in this car? The one that has gotten John Deere in trouble with farmers?
I feel like 'nanny state mode' delete its going to be a valuable service to offer on the near future, would be interested to see how this could be achieved
Just replace all the wiring with a stand alone system. It’s difficult but it’s what we do with older Muscle cars or newer cars with race engines and aftermarket turbos.
@@scottsvt9104 What about smog checks?
@@jimmyfleetwood1118 Some states don’t have smog checks. You can still run emissions control and catalytic converters on a stand alone computer. You can pass the sniff test. However if the inspector is smart about cars he will notice the ECU has been converted and you’ll get failed if the inspector is a EPA fanatic. There are some shops that will pass you regardless. It all depends. Stay away from California.
@@jimmyfleetwood1118 Move to Alabama, no vehicle inspections at all.
When the nanny state like this or worse happens, you wont be allowed to remove it, assuming you even could remove it all.
disconnect the telematics module, or the antenna group to disable ability to connect to cell/wifi. The car will think it's always in the middle of nowhere.
I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. The surveillance state is completely out of hand. I appreciate as someone living in the Detroit area coming from a family that worked for Ford for 3 generations making the distinction that all automakers are doing this. I love my Ford and I love some of the projects their doing in the area like renovating the old train station into a advanced capabilities centered campus. They’re just following what the tech companies have been doing as car become more and more computerized. That said I feel more and more violated by the surveillance aspects of technology. 2/3’s of the ads I’ve see on media platforms are either scammy, suspiciously targeted or seem to be put out by bad actors taking advantage of the corporate surveillance state to push an agenda. 100% right that they’re going to pull the trigger soon Michigan just passed a “safe driving law” that requires you only your phone In connectivity mode while driving. I’m sure it’s the same in most states whatever lobbyists who exercise undo influence over various levels government are all angling to slip their interests through in similar ways. It’s enough to make me want to run for the hills and become a Luddite. Though that’s a temporary stopgap I think the best path is an perhaps an opportunity for people get themselves well enough versed in how the surveillance works and take a page from the unfortunate citizens of the ultimate surveillance state China. There was a whole industry dedicated to avoiding surveillance for example apps to map walking paths so as to avoid street cameras before they crushed any hint of freedom in the past 10 years. The only way to get a leg up the data industry which is now the most valuable resource in the world (more so that oil) is to drag it into the open. In so doing hopefully foster a privacy industry/movement I have to say it seems an insurmountable task as of now.
Great post, thank you.
Vote with your money. Don't buy these "appliances".
This is basically my fears of the past decade or more being realized. It’s one of the reasons I’ve been so hesitant towards driverless cars. No longer are features being added for the owner’s convenience but the manufacturer and government.
The same can easily be said of the features on your mobile phone or tablet.
@@markfryer9880 yes but also no. I have a problem with them on my phone and would really like to get rid of them and don’t want them anywhere else. Government and megacorps already have too much personal information to abuse.
But there is a major difference between a phone or tablet costing $500-$1000 and a car costing $50,000 to $75,000. One is much easier to get rid of if need be.
Additionally to this point in time the major phone manufacturers have steadfastly refused to provide data to authorities beyond what is required by law. The wording of the owners manual seems to suggest the vehicle manufacturers will have a closer relationship with the government. That is speculation at this point and the phone manufacturers could alter course which brings us back to the first point. A phone is a convenience (a very nice one I admit which is why I put up with their shit for now) but not yet a necessity the same way the family vehicle is.
Now that situation may be different for you if you live in a place you don’t need to drive anywhere but do require instantaneous communication although in that case you are likely under a much greater surveillance umbrella than just a phone or car.
Since my phone isn't welded to my a$$ and I (gasp) sometimes go to work without it, there not quite the same as the car, since walking to work isn't an option@@markfryer9880
Why do you think Government is pushing so hard for electric cas...total government coontrol
Private companies that manufacture and the government gives them taxpayer money and they working against the people.. 🤔
Isn't there a name, a word for that.. starts with an "F" I believe but has been misconstrued by the "progressive" left democrat party.. 🤔
So this car basically breaks into your phone and grabs all the data from it and sends it to Ford.
I don't think Ford would call it breaking in, as you agree to it via all the user agreement stuff when you buy the car. However I don't think many people are aware of it, hence this video.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles What kind of Data are they getting? How you drive and where you go to? What you plan on buying?
Ford can't break into your phone. It only steals the information if you connect your phone to the infotainment system and allow permissions to access messages and contacts. Just don't give permission on your phone and you're safe.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles even the gov can't get that data without a warrant. pretty sure it's illegal for a corporation to demand such a violation of privacy in a contract. but until someone takes them to court they'll get away with it.
Wake up. Google is reading all of your emails. And the virtual keypad on your phone is logging every key stroke. And, 90% of the "free apps" on your phone are tracking your location.....
I highly recommend watching Louis Rossman's video "Judge rules its legal for automakers to download and store your text messages". It goes into discuss how some are trying to legally push back against this mentality by manufacturers, and its not getting anywhere just yet, but it has potential.
I wouldve never thought this car would collect so much data. I figured some day they would, it just felt like we had a bit more time. Now i guess we'll be seeing cars calculate your blood pressure, weight, and heart rate in order to sell that data to pharmasutical companies...
His recent video on GM was good too.
I agree! I read a story the other day that car manufacturers are selling your driving data to insurance companies, causing people's insurance premiums to go up! Pretty discusting!!!
As a computer geek, it jumps out at me that knowing the car is reading certain messages would be a possible "attack surface", for example malicious code sent as a text message.
@@leonglassglow3854didnt something along those lines happen in a goddamn fast & furious movie
Haha, I always wondered what the face behind the voice looked like! Good to see you Greg!
Reminds me of my friend who nearly got in a real bad accident, he had a firebird with that silly shift lockout GM had back in the day and it hindered his ability to accelerate from the on ramp, tried to drop a gear and floor it but the car bogged down and he was nearly rearended by an SUV going 90.
I had a 96 Trans Am conv that had a 6-speed manual that had that feature. You had to be above a certain speed, or instead of going from 1st to 2nd, it would bump you into 1st to 3d gear instead. It was annoying but I loved the car!! I sold it a couple of years ago. Biggest mistake ever!! You get used to it. You just had to make sure you went fast enough before you shift.
@@Robert-ff9wf my buddy still has his, not too long after that incident happened me and him spent a weekend installing some aftermarket bits to disable the shift lockout and it was absolutely worth it, being able to flat-footshift from first to second while smoking the rear tires felt like we had gained 100hp lol
This video is something everyone who likes having new cars every few years needs to hear.
Soon all cars will be just like phones, youll need to upgrade every five years regardless of what you want, and will be forced into countless software updates and what they call recalls, but are just ways to add the newest hardware to monitor you even harder.
Also, Ford specifically has been monitoring for years already without telling customers and they are already ahead of the rest of manufacturers on that scale.
Any time there's data, it can be subpoenaed. Any flimsy "reasonable cause" is enough for a court order to get your data and they can slap you with a speeding ticket for every time you passed a truck. Guess I'm not buying any new cars... ever... Great video Greg. A very important issue.
I work on new 'patrol cars' and they get worse every year. Two years ago I could put the transmission in reverse with the ignition 'on' to check the back-up lights. Now you cannot move the shifter from 'park' unless the engine is running. While pulling the vehicle into the service bay we used to be able to open the driver's door to see our exact position. Now if you open the door it throws the transmission into 'park'! Screech!
I don't know about you, but I don't want my car 'thinking' for me. I could go on with much more, but suffice it to say, I agree with you! My newest car is a 2004. I still prefer my older car. 'Nuff said!
Seems to me there may be an opportunity here for blossoming industry geared towards empowering the owner over the manufacturer.
@@grabbag6314 Like auto parts stores and internet forums? 😂
@@TurboHappyCar was thinking more of a software upgrade. Would be a warranty issue i’m sure.
Long time listener- mostly your planes content- first time to see you. Keep up the great work!
I know, as soon as I saw him I immediately pictured in my mind one day being tackled in the aisle of an airliner by Air Marshall's screaming "But I know him!!!"
I'm "going Cuban" myself. Love your channel.
I think it was in 1996 when govt created a law to collect data from automobiles, but collection back then was crude and limited and a Code Reader had to be plugged into the car to get the data. Greg's thumbnail is spot on.
You know what freedom is today? My 1974 Dodge Dart. No snitching, no bitching, no telling me what to do. And I can fix it myself.
Gee and i was annoyed enough that cars and trucks didnt have cable throttles anymore.. welp. Seems im definatly sticking to 1960-2000 model cars. Thanks for the insight Greg. Im sure most of that is not explained by the dealer before you hand over the cash.
1996 is the introduction of OBD II. For NJ at least, because of OBD II, 1996 is also the cut off for the inspection requirement. 1997 for diesels for the same reason.
Your still supposed to follow the law, and I intend to, they just aren't going to check. For me, that's become my new cut off. The less surveillance the better.
@@saulekaravirs6585 here in australia in my state there are two inspection times, one is when you buy a registered vehicle or freshly register an unregistered vehicle (eg: if someone let the registration expire) it needs a "roadworthy certificate" which you get from a workshop, they take pictures of the car and of the dash, key on not running to ensure all warning lights work, then another once started to show they all go off (no airbag or abs light etc) the other time is if you are pulled over by highway patrol, they will go over your vehicle looking for "defects" this could be simple things like light globes not working or bald tyres, but also aftermarket steering wheels on cars that came factory with an airbag and gear knobs without the gear pattern stamped in them, also anything that is a modification (loud exhaust, a turbo, even an aftermarket ecu can get you a defect notice and sometimes an epa fine which is very expensive (eg: no catalyst in the exhaust is $12,000 per cylinder) generally you have to have been already doing something wrong to get the going over by a highway patrol officer, but sometimes they just dont like your car (typically skylines, silvias and such) i once got a defect notice for one of 4 brake lights being blown (i offered to change the globe as i had new ones in the car, was not allowed) not having water in the windscreen washer bottle (was not allowed to dump my drink in it to show it worked) and failure to maintain 2/3rds suspension travel (which was bullshit as it was only lowered two inches) and being three items he ticked roadworthy certificate required on the form, which meant a day off work to take it to a mechanic and pay $250 for the certificate and a further $50 to get the notice cleared at our version of the dmv. The whole time the officer was whinging to his collegue about jap crap, pos toyota etc etc so i feel like he just didnt like the car so felt he needed to make my day hard. Yet when i drive my gm car (2000 holden commodore) which has a locked diff, a turbo, no airbag, it has a nardi steering wheel and so fourth, ive never once been pulled over in it, even when doing a u turn and the tyre chirp can be heard by them. Yet in the corona i used to daily. i was constantly getting defected for the same modification. Its all officers disgression here. Same with roadworthys. There is a guide sheet, but if the workshop feels like it, they can say this is no good or this will pass, even if its contrary to the rules. I hate it.
It turns out having the ECU (electronic engine controller) control the spark advance, boost and fuel while letting the biounit (the driver) control the throttle was a bad combination; too often they got out of synch. Better to have drive by wire, you tell the ECU what you want to happen, and it handles all the details.
@@fafner1 yeah make the biounit constantly mad at not being able to quickly rev match up and downshifts, making him less likely to get it right because hes infuriated 🤣
Fair point. I once pulled out to pass a lane of cars only to have the traction control on my VW GTI VR-6 cut the power because I was going around a curve, leaving me stuck out looking like a total a-hole. I immediately turned the traction contol off and left it off. But just becasue ECU and traction contols are often badly done doesn't mean they have to be badly done. @@Colt45hatchback
I have a 2020 Hyundai Palisade, and it has the ‘time to take a break’ feature. I just got back from a 5k km road trip, and I am a retired computer programmer, so I was constantly trying to figure out what was triggering it. It has a circular ‘gauge’ display, where it rated my level of attention like a speedometer, and the needle would jump around almost as much. When the needle got ‘low’, a bell would ring and it would suggest I take a break. 10 minutes down the road, the gauge reads ‘full’ again, even though I hadn’t stopped and my behaviour hadn’t changed at all that I could tell.
The idea that you could potentially get in serious trouble from your car tattling on you, when the systems doing the tattling are subjective and untrustworthy, is troubling.
Unless it has cameras inside the cabin, it probably just monitors your inputs and compares them to how well you are staying in the lane or making accelerations etc. Hence why it's mostly erratic even if you are attentive. I bet, though, it does catch people who are very tired and drifting around, but at that point I don't think the little bell will make them stop...
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The car does have the lane keeping feature, but I almost always turn it off.
For one, it wants me to be in the exact middle of the lane at all times, while I will sometimes 'wander' a bit: going to the left or right a bit to get a better look at what is happening ahead of me; going to either side to keep my distance from a large vehicle I am passing; hitting the apex of the corner because I am bored, that sort of thing. I don't cross the lane lines, but I get far enough from the center of the lane that the lane keep feature feels like a second pair of hands on the steering wheel constantly nudging me back to the exact center of the lane.
Two, it isn't perfect. There have been a couple of times when I was passing an exit in the right hand lane on the highway, and the car got confused. The left hand line was straight, but the right hand line headed off on the exit. The wheel twitched a couple of times, then the car decided to follow the right hand line and tried to head off on the exit. It also struggles sometimes if the lines aren't perfect. No thanks, I know how to drive, I'll keep that thing turned off.
However, you are probably right. One of the things it probably uses to determine my alertness level is tracking my position in the lane. However, it doesn't do that very well, which is why my 'alertness level' fluctuates for no apparent reason.
Trucks have cameras monitoring the driver at my ex workplace.
I drive a truck that has forward facing and driver facing cameras. The driver camera uses "AI" to track your eye movements. If you even glance down to check gauges for what it deems too long, it beeps at you announces "DISTRACTED!".
I tested to see if it really did track your eyes, and it does. I had both hands on the steering wheel, looking straight through the windshield, no other traffic on the road (rural 2 lane). I found a perfect angle where I turned my head just right (but still looking dead ahead) and it obviously lost track of my eyes because it yelled at me that I was distracted. It yells at you if you glance down to change the A/C, pick up your drink from the cup holder, etc... very annoying. Every time that happens a 6 second video clip gets sent to management. I know they watch it so I started yelling "shut up" back at the camera.. nothing has been said so far lol
And I thought only the accidents from cars and coffee made the Mustang scary. Great and informative bideo
Scary stuff! Older cars are looking more attractive all the time.
I've watched all your videos multiple times. I put your p47 Playlist on at night to help me go to sleep. I will listen to you talk about anything technical, your engine deep dives are so unique. I keep looking for something comparable on RUclips but have found very few people with the quality to backup the content. Please keep it coming. The more specific and numbers heavy you get the better. Thank you for being a suburb channel. If i ever find myself flying trans-ocean on a 767 I sure hope you are my pilot.
So i am not the onlyone who watch greg's videos to help my my main cpu go stand-by mode. ww2 airplane engine videos are my favourites
LOL, I just discovered this. Greg's my go to guy!
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Though i must add that i have watched those videos while fully awake as well
I shared the same opinion of Greg until I watched this video and then read the 2024 Mustang owner's manual. I couldn't find anything in the manual about a factory set 80 MPH governor or speed limiter. I seems the 80 MPH speed limiter / governor he talks about is the just the adaptive cruise control. Why would he be making speed parts for a car governed to 80MPH? And what was that nonsense about dealers setting the governed speed?
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Greg, auto insurers now have apps that use cell and car data to rate each trip you make. It's a scary intrusion on a person's right to privacy.
The alternative is that insurers charge all drivers, even safer drivers, more, to cover the amount they pay out to dangerous drivers. Consider this: nothing is stopping you from starting a new insurance company that doesn't do this! Why don't you? Well, the good drivers would get cheaper insurance through other insurers, so the only customers you'd have would be ones that run excessive risks.
@@lqr824 No. No it isn't. The amount of control it can give over things that should not matter to an insurer is frightening.
The funny thing about insurers at least is Australia, is that many of them are under the same corporate umbrella. This means that the So called competition is really only skin deep. 😢
I have it with State Farm, strictly voluntary to get an insurance discount.
If you're STUPID enough to sign up to the app in order to get an insurance discount, you deserve everything you get.
You are 100% correct. The problem is people are lazy and quite frankly stupid. The majority don't care about privacy. I certainly do and this is extremely alarming where all this is headed. Bottom line is liberty is slowly dying.
400000 laws on the books just in the U.S.. Chances are you violtaed on today but avoided a ticket because your vehicle didn't tell someone you violated the law.
1972 Skylark GS was the last car I really enjoyed. The only stored data was the station presets on the radio. We have bought at least 25 Fords since then. FOMOCO can keep that "big brother watching" Mustang even if they would offer to sell me one for $7500.
What you need to do is find and disconnect the GPS and wireless antenna. You can tape over the driver assist camera on the wind screen above the rear view mirror. No more speed limiting because the cars doesn't know where it is and can't see the road anymore. It'll throw a GPS fault and communication fault. It actually won't throw a camera fault. You can disable contact sharing in your phone. The car will remain fully drivable.
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The 80 mph nonsense is probably KEY SPECIFIC. If you have two, try the other key. They give you one regular and one restricted key. I think.
You can "disable" sharing, but it seems they can turn it back on. This thing has over the air updates, which enables them to change a lot of stuff at will.
If it's working great, there is no need for any updates.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Well, contact sharing is a permission on your phone side, not on car side.
Grey key for Honda. The courtesy key that keeps the valet from going on a joyride.
Some won't open the trunk of glove box either.
Appreciate the heads up Greg. Something industry-wide could be done, but I suppose it would involve very expensive lawyers. I can imagine this is Wall Street-driven, in that they expect the auto companies to suck as much data out of us as we can.
Generally I am pretty disappointed and fairly frightened about the tech they are putting into cars these days. As per most of our electronics, they are feature-rich but reliability-poor. Case in point, I drove a Turo Model 3 that kept kicking me out of cruise and jamming on the brakes. It did improve a little after I washed it (some camera was occluded I guess) but the software should know better. The newest car I own is a 2013 Leaf, and I am not at all comfortable with the fly-by-wire gear shift or the auto locking doors (Leaf Spy fixed the latter - otherwise a great car tho).
As far as the phone contact list goes, perhaps switching out the radio might fix it. As long as the data formats aren't compatible, Big Data shouldn't be able to see your privates. BTW, I think a lot of apps are stealing contact lists tho. Super creepy.
You might also be able to find an after market antenna that corrupts the on-air update signal (works for FM but not for cellular). Hmmm, something you might be interested in selling?
It isn't Wall Street driven, it's gov't driven. The same SOB's that want to convert all your money into CBDC's and digitally dangle your entire existence in front of you, threatening to take it for any infraction. China is already doing this, but most American sheep can't be bothered to consider the implications. I'll never be buying a new car again because of this. Some fools are actually willing to PAY for their own enslavement....
I wish we could do that. But any device intended to interfere with any other radio transmission is illegal. It's that "this device complies with part 15 of FCC..." Notice you find on some electric devices.
@@Xsiondu Oh gimme a break. I can just see the FCC police inspecting antennas at a freeway checkpoint, and all the fringe internet wackos getting all freaked out. Besides, a filter is very different from a jammer.
Does anyone know what a radar detector is? How about a tuning chip? Don't think all these are legal.
@@Xsiondu In this case, it wouldn't be interfering with a transmission, but the ability of the car to receive that transmission.
@@ejt3708You're one of those fringe internet weirdos now. You care about the car spying on you. Also, just cut the wire to the antenna. Ford gets no data if you do this. Problem solved.
Another fun one is tied to auto insurance. I was watching Steve Lehto’s channel and he reviewed a case in which an insurer canceled a man’s policy because he hadn’t added his 14yo son as an EXCLUDED “POTENTIAL DRIVER” regardless of the fact that the son is not yet of driving age or holding a driver’s license (or even a learner’s permit FFS)!! So apparently now we need to have a lawyer travel with us everywhere we go to *_ATTEMPT_* to catch the ridiculous number of gotcha situations resulting from corporate lawyers and big tech colluding to take away any semblance of freedom from surveillance no matter the venue. Soon enough we won’t even feel comfortably “alone” in the deep Mojave or other wide expanse of natural environment.
WTF do we even have the Bill of Rights for if we’re going to elect pencil-neck backstabbers that will kowtow to every corporation against our best interests? Just my 2c, sorry for the dissertation. Getting more than a little frustrated by all of this like I’m sure any of you that truly understand what all of this means for our rights and way of life going forward.
Insurance companies are ran by A.I. bots now. They are btter at the numbers game than flesh and blood agents.
This is really interesting, thanks for making this video! At the end of last year I bought a used 2021 F150 lariat with the Bluecruise package so I'm sure it's got similar stuff going on, gonna have to take a longer look at the owners manual now lol. I kinda figured it was the case though, as when I brought it to the dealership over the summer to get recall work done, all I had to give the service advisor was my phone number and they had the vin, current odometer reading, and all the pending recalls and alerts that have shown up on the truck, like my low windshield washer fluid reading at the time lmao.
I have the last generation GT. I'm off to check my owner's manual now. I'd never connect my phone to my car, but God only knows if its back dooring a connection.
Thanks Greg - a very important video.
Wow!!! This car and its modern relatives are real nightmares in respect of personal surveillance! I'll never have something like these. I'll keep my old one with minimum eletronics, no location devices turned on without my command and so on. A car is not supposed to be spying (and recording, for instance) its owner all time along. Because of the primitive onboard eletronics of my old green friend, I still can throw the rule book out of the window if the situation requires doing so. Thank you a lot for the very interesting, informative and scary video. A cordial salut from Brazil.
Great thing about owning a 94 is that the carb swap was pretty easy
I drove a rental car that had one of those "fatigue monitoring" systems once and it seemed to pop off randomly, so I don't know how reliable they can be. Luckily for that car it just beeped for a few seconds and went off, but I can imagine it'd be very annoying in the Mustang's case.
A Mazda 6 and a BMW M3 (recent rentals) both have this fatigue monitoring thing, as do cars going back many years. In these cars, it dings (at varying levels of annoying) and maybe shakes the wheel then go quiet for at least 20 minutes. Not great but not as bad as Greg describes (if I understood) with having to turn off the car to reset. That would be intolerable, I think. The 'reading text messages' bit probably relates to the car being able to give those by voice over the audio system. There should be a time out (short) for how long the company keeps that information. All car companies should know that any breach of privacy would be punished not so much (or as quickly) by the government as by its customers. Ford and GM, I would trust. Foreign, not so much (VW, never again).
I was thinking of trading my 2016 Subaru in on a new model, but between this video and other horror stories I've hear about the new cars, I'll stick with old reliable.
Your car has a black box that registers how fast you were going when you crashed, whether your seat belt was fastened and other data. If you read the 2024 Mustang owners manual, you'll find out the 80MPH governor/speed limiter Greg talked about is just the adaptive cruise control. The car collects data, but it doesn't limit you to 80MPH.
You look exactly like I would have expected.
I was done with Mustangs at the 2005 model year.
Ford hasn't made one since 2004 that I couldn't live without.
I can definitely live without this current one.
This has been coming, for a long time. I always recommend the video _"Stare Into the Lights My Pretties"._ It's about surveillance and division ...back before corporations charged us to spy on us.
Greg, you are a wealth of knowledge of the truth.
Thank you, and I am so glad you are on my side of the coin.
Or that I am on your side of the coin.
Love this channel.
The issues mentioned have been a concern since the early Tesla days. Now all the manufacturers are doing the same always on always connected OTA firmware stuff. You will own nothing and you will be happy, and surveilled upon. So glad I invested in my old BMWs
Ring doorbells do the same thing and they've already turned over imagery to law enforcement without the homeowners knowledge or consent, and there's at least one case of them giving imagery from inside the house to law enforcement via their optional security system you can get.
The one I bought for my mom for her house 10 years ago is coming off as soon as I make it to Lowes and buy a replacement button, all I did was buy that thing for her cause she's alone and I wanted her to be able to see who's at the door before she opens it, I didn't buy it to make our current police state even worse.
@@dukecraig2402 those smart home devices and IOT garbage were always a vector for such heinous spying. Imagine all those Alexa devices clueless people put in their homes and all the private conversations they have recorded
This topic seems to be getting additional traction as Steve on Lehto's Law posted about lawsuits in the works about this. But this video here was the first I'd heard about it...thank you, Greg. Sadly, most people will say well... if you're not doing anything illegal, so what. Man, talk about not seeing the bigger picture.
Thanks Ken, it's the big picture I'm concerned with here. The ways this can be used a few years from now are pretty scary. I'm glad Lehto is taking up the cause, he is a heavy hitter. I'm small time here.
Big brother, always watching and listening to you. More than just cars.
My wife wanted a new car last year (first since 1999) and we love it other than the nanny features, especially the engine shut off when stopped in traffic, which we turn it off immediately. We get 33mpg in our SUV (actual measured mileage), so the engine shut off only excessively wears on engine features.
I live on a corner that has a stop sign for the cars coming down the road that's on the side of the house, there's a porch on that side I sit on quite often in the summer months.
A neighbor up the road bought one of the new vehicles with the automatic shut off and everytime they come down the road and stop at the stop sign and I hear that starter engage when they pull away I sit there shaking my head wondering how many starters they're going to be putting on that thing during it's life.
my 2004 Buick Lesabre gets 36-44mpg
@@dukecraig2402 It's not just starter, it's a two mode complex (read more expensive) starter, a more powerful (read more expensive) battery that also wears out sooner, electronic isolation features (read more expensive), fuel systems (read more expensive).
Of interesting note, ammonia (NH3) powered internal combustion is being developed. It's easily renewable, nearly no pollution, cost effective, safer to transport than gas. No car fires from ammonia fuel tank.
As someone who grew up with 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s cars, hearing the engine noise stop is an automatic panic trigger that I don't need in my day or my life.
My 88 y.o. Dad has a car with automatic engine stop and I really don't enjoy travelling in it. If I am driving, I want to know that the engine is running. If the traffic is that bad that I am just sitting still then I probably will pull over and wait it out.
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The reason I laugh about that every time they go by is because of an incident that happened with a buddy of mine years back.
He had an early 90's Jeep that they got new, his wife, who you, um, have to know to appreciate this story, was always the primary user.
When it was about 10 years old they had to put what was something like the 5th replacement starter on it and he ask me to help him, we were in their trailer they lived in which was on her family's farm halfway between her parent's house and her grandmother's which were about 50 yards on each side of her, we're sitting at the table getting ready to go up to one of the outbuildings on the farm to do the job and she's cackling away "I'm gonna write a letter to Chrysler, that's the 5th starter that's got to be put on that thing and it's only got 82,000 miles on it!!! Yak Yak Yak Yak", when she was done I explained to her "Mileage has absolutely nothing to do with the life of a starter, it's how often the starter gets used compared to the miles put on a vehicle, every morning you start that thing, back it up 50 feet to the end of the driveway where your mailbox is to get your paper then pull it back up to the trailer and come inside and read your paper and have a cup of coffee, an hour later you start it again and drive 75 yards up the road to your mother's house for your morning visit then start it again and go home, an hour later you start it again and drive 75 yards the other way to check on grandma then start it again and go home, two hours after that you star it up and drive it 100 yards up the road, just past granny's, to the barn to feed your horse, then you start it again and drive it home, an hour later you start it up and back it 50 feet down to the end of your driveway to get your mail, it's not the mileage it's how often you start it, each starter is born with X amount of starts in it and you're using them up constantly starting the thing without really going anywhere, every day you start that thing up 6 or 7 times and only put a quarter mile on it, if anything you should write a letter to Chrysler and congratulate them for making starters that survive your daily lifestyle as long as they do."
Boy did she get mad, her face turned red but she couldn't say anything because she realized what I explained to her was true.
This vehicle is the automotive version of Orwelles' 1984. Very scary. I think I will stick with my 1999 Honda Accord and 1999 Nissan Pathfinder. The Accords' 4-cylinder VTEC is an engineering masterpiece of simplicity, performance and efficiency. At 250,000 mile getting 27 mpg. The Pathfinder is a beast in the snow when I manually shift it into 4-wheel drive. Would still like to drive the 4-cylinder Mustang to check out the performance before that entire model is outlawed.
Thankyou , so good to see honest people speaking up . we need more of this . I hope car makers are seeing this also .
One more reason why I keep driving my old beater *bought used from Hertz 20 yrs ago) that I can maintain and repair myself. The CEL has been on for the past 15 yrs and I don't GAF.. Thanks Greg!
Great video Greg, as always. People need to stop accepting this as the way it is.
I still wonder who can afford to "Buy" these cars in current year?
Interesting; I have a Skoda with a 'driver alert system' which I have only triggered once, being two miles from home on a 400 mile drive at one o'clock in the morning I ignored it. It's amazing how they can tell. I guess my insurer would be interested in that if there was a wreck.
This is IMPORTANT information to share. THANK YOU!!!
After listening to you in your WWII airplanes videos, it's nice to see you.
My wife's 2021 Kia has a feature that comes up at times that says , "you may want to take a break" with a little coffee cup icon as if you are driving erratically or something. How long until they disable the car under the guise that you are an "impaired" driver or perhaps "they" don't like what you post on social media?
These bills are already being passed or have been passed to put that very power into cars, mandating "kill switches" in every new vehicle starting in 2026.
This is absolutely INSANE. Wait until it won't allow you to operate the vehicle when your registration is overdue or the prosecutor in your court case reading off every driving infraction you have ever committed in that vehicle to support there case against you courtesy of Ford.
Welcome to hell world
Select track mode ! Our records show you have already exceeded your fun limit for this period, Limp mode engaged.
I often read my cars manual. But that's me. I don't know why I do it because no one else I know does. But I find there is usually information in there that I didn't know about. I guess it goes back to my youth when I was into motocross and whatever dirt bike I had, I would always buy a Chiltons manual for it, which would show you how to fix anything on that particular motorcycle. They were great manuals, and I could fix and rebuild anything ! I also bought one for my 96 Trans Am convertible so I could fix my power window on the driver's side. I had to replace the regulator and motor. Sometimes, I would read the manual in bed before I went to sleep. I know, I don't have much of a life!
I thought it was bad enough when the city of Chicago was sending me speed warning letters, but this!? You’re not even safe from intrusion in your own car. I feared this years ago when they came out with lane-departure warning systems. And when they announced self driving cars, well you know damn well these vehicles will “need” to know the speed limit of the road. It’s only a matter of time before they force you to follow speed limits everywhere.
Absolutely frightening!
Doesn't look like I'll ever buy a new car again.
Thank you for making this video and bringing more attention to this sort of thing.
good job. thanks for the heads up...
Hey Greg, I drive a 2020 Charger RT and have seen similar statements about data collection in the owners manual and through the uconnect display. To me it seems the simplest solution would be to remove or disable the vehicle's data connection such that it can't send anything to the manufacturer. I don't modify cars as a matter of practice (cheap, fast, reliable - pick two) but I would absolutely purchase a solution to this problem. Once again, nice to see you on camera.
Probably gonna get tons off errors or the car computer won't work properly. Most if not all cars need to constantly update the systems to keep working.
I bet you can't do that without voiding the warranty. If you can afford the risk of doing that on a hyper-complicated $50,000 car, go for it.
@@Mishn0 I’m already out of warranty lol
@@Mishn0 Disabling a radio is easy and reversible since they usually use an external antenna somewhere else on the car. Unplug the antenna coax and plug in a pigtail terminated with a 50 ohm resistor ("dummy load"), if you ever want to revert it just unplug the dummy load and plug the original antenna cable in. The problem I can think of is eventually the systems will throw the vehicle into limp mode after not seeing signal for some period of time so the dealer can fix the "broken" radio for you.
@@treelineresearch3387 Can't be limp mode. There are people, in the US even, that live in areas with no cell service. Are you going to have their cars in limp mode every 90 days? No, I suspect these cars will complain, but work anyway, without a cell connection.
There are even cars with IR cameras pointed at the driver so even if you look to a side a bit longer than it thinks you should it would yell at you.
As far as the privacy goes: your cell phone manufacturer and company are doing even more spying on you and people are okay with it. Sadly your privacy is kinda long gone by now.
PS: not saying that it is ok, it's just a reality we live in for about 10 years now.
I have read that driver face cameras will soon be mandatory, if not already.
Thank you very much for the video, Greg, very informative! I'm keeping my early 90s cars until I can't get parts to fix them anymore (what exactly I'm going to do when I reach that point I don't know).
Thanks for the update. I can see new business opportunities for disabling these systems. I'm wondering if Ford will use the system to disallow warranty claims. The only novel item is that new cars might narc automatically. 2 years ago Ford filed for patents on a system that can have your car repossess itself (if self driving) and/or start disabling onboard systems & play obnoxious sounds thru the speakers. Many GMs have had some "security" features for years, including the ability to locate and disable your vehicle. The "sleepy" sensing might be on all US cars by 2026. All Euro cars supposedly can auto-call police (and transmit sounds inside the car) in an accident and, as of 2022, nag the driver if he's exceeding the speed limit.
Great video Greg, and good to see your face! The scope of the surveillance capabilities of modern cars is frightening, and it will be abused. The reward and temptation to use/sell/persecute will be too great to withstand. One thing about the price between this car and its V8 cousin, you say it’s about $10K cheaper. Presumably your performance package/tuning adds up to somewhat less than that $10K?
I guarantee it's already being abused. Who is watching the users of the data? no one.
Why would you buy a performance upgrades from Greg after he told you the EcoBoost Mustang is limited to 80 MPH?
@@larrysmith6797You never fail to deliver, larry, leaping to conclusions and supplying your own interpretations.
If you dislike the channel so much why do you keep coming back?
Remember when your car's computer only monitored timing and spark advance? Ah, the good ole days
That is crazy! Sounds like something from the old Soviet Union days. Me personally being a 90s kid I hate new cars. I wouldn't buy a brand new car if you paid me too! I grew up in the early 2000s during the golden days of hot rods and import tuners where me and my friends would modify and race our cars all the time. I miss the days of easy maintenance and freedom. Me personally I really love the 60s mustang's but I grew up with fox body stangs the most and those are the ones I love. The 5.0 3rd gens are awesome.
Well that is very invasive! It would be interesting to know how all this would work in the European models as the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) would make almost all of this data collection very, very illegal (leading to very, very expensive fines) . Perhaps there is a way to get the EU version set up somewhere in the vehicle settings..
the problem is that 'settings' can be changed remotely. and they will be changed.
Thanks Greg! I don't plan on buying any new vehicle anytime soon. What does concern me is that I rent cars for work quite frequently, and if these systems are enabled on rental cars, the rental car company may have accepted this voluntary anal exam by the vehicle, but I guarantee I have not agreed, and it's pretty unlikely at this point that language specifically waiving my privacy during the car rental process is not yet in the car company rental agreements, and if it is then somebody needs to start a class action lawsuit. This kind of joins up with the trend for some automotive manufacturers having the purchaser pay subscription fees for options like heated/cooled seats, a/c functions, etc.
Sorry, but why would a purchaser require a paid subscription service for features that are built into the car? Did I miss something?
@markfryer9880 In some of the newer cars, various options now require subscription fees to enable the use of some of the installed options. If you don't pay the subscription fee, the optional equipment will not function.
@@markfryer9880yes, car manufacturers are already doing this for real.
I guarantee you have never read a rental car agreement.
@@larrysmith6797 Wrong. Apparently you enjoy making erroneous conclusions about others based on your own behaviors.
Great video. Trucking industry has been dealing with similar issues for quite some time now.
Interesting topic. Thanks!
NTSB now wants to enforce speed limiters on all new cars. Welcome to the future.
As a Sr. IT engineer, I'm all too familiar with this sort of nonsense. You will have to go in and disable the cellular radio (best way is physically disconnect it via SIM or the antennae wires) and never connect it to wifi. That's the only way to stop it from reporting home without doing too much modification to the vehicle. To stop it from recording all sorts of metrics requires a lot more, such as deleting a number of vehicle sensors by one means or another. Even then, you car is going to light up like an xmas tree to complain about it.
This why I drive a 73 car. This is gonna hurt new car sales big time.
Good disertation. Thank you.
This sort of technology should be opt-in only. It should be illegal to record or transmit any activity or data that would identify, incriminate, or report on a driver without the drivers express consent. Thank you for sharing this, it’s absolutely outrageous.
It should be illegal, period. "Express consent" is too easy to work around. Just bury it in the TOS of a TOS of a TOS that you have to agree to to drive the car.
I can almost feel the value of late 1990s computerless Diesel pickup trucks taking another 10% leg up in value as I'm watching this.
Yes, a BMW parts guy offered me $22,000 for mine. I will wait a little longer.
@@Qrail the value of those things is only going to go up.
There is nothing wrong with computers, it's the monitoring and tracking that's the problem.
For example, most of the BMW ECUs from the 90's and early 00's have been hacked and the FW binaries decompiled and modified and fully understood. I can change my E36 M3 fuel and ignition maps with a laptop and OBD2 adapter. Look up RomRaider.
Early OBD II is the sweet spot for me. EFI for better reliability, but the sensors aren't good enough to actually detect a problem lol
Probably something you already know as professionals at Eurocompulsion, there should be a BEMM (Body & Equipment Mounting Manual) available from Ford that can give you some useful information about the suspension system and it's interfaces.
Also a very handy book to have around if you need to ask 'What did I just put a drill through?'
its interfaces.
Well done, Greg, thank you for the information. I think something should be done, but not sure who to talk to or how.
My next cars is going to be a 1965 Ford Falcon...!!!!
A Falcon with the engine out of this Mustang would be amazing. Standalone ECU to get rid of the nanny features...
The car was a extension of our freedom but they found away to take that freedom away also
That's a good way of putting it. I'm going to use that.
I read years ago in one of the car mags that Nissan was voiding the warranties of Skyline owners who raced their cars and broke the engine, since the car's ECM could record the relevant data. Ergo I've been aware of this snoopery for many years. One rule: if buying a car with a screen be suspicious- it may very well rat on you if needed. BTW, my newest vehicle is an '86 4Runner....
Thx 🙏. I now know one car I WILL NOT be buying, but was considering until I seen this. Thx again.
Wait until the kill-switches come on all cars by 2026. Imagine those being activated accidentally. . .
There’s a workaround by getting an aftermarket ECU, but you’d need a custom patch harness for whatever model you drive. I guess I’ll stick to buying cars where a patch harness is likely to be made thus allowing me to throw the factory computer in the 🗑️.
The 2024's can bus system makes that nearly impossible, or at the least so impractical and expensive that only .00001 percent of people will do it, and it's illegal.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles it’s expensive, and impractical yes, but it’s never been cheap nor easy to begin with (at least not for me). Legality depends on location and ability of enforcement, where I live fines and charges for removing the factory ECU would never be checked or enforced. And I guess we will see what the folks at Motec and Haltech are able to do with the 2024+ models, I’ll keep my fingers crossed! It’s unfortunate this kind of monitoring has begun to take place with automobiles, but thanks for bringing it to light, I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. It all seems so unnecessary of the manufacturers to do.
Yeah, I live in Alabama, they don't care here.@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
We all will accept all information your willing to share. This is great & if you hear more plus keep letting us know! God bless you sir & many thanks!
Hello Greg, long time.. all good on the 777 side. I was considering a Mustang for my kid, but now I have to reconsider it. Cheers buddy. Great channel!!!
Thanks, I rode on a 777 deadhead recently. It's a fantastic plane.
You have great videos. Good job!!!
I will note that some of the manufacturer's ability to see things, like the phone's full contact list, may also be subject to how you have your phone configured.
I recall being asked if I wanted connected devices to see my contact list or not - and I'd assume the phone would prevent that if configured to do so. Though that trades off the convenience for that data protection; because now the car can't place calls using your contact list, or use the contact list name for incoming callers.
First video I see Greg’s face.