Both of them are excellent schools depend on what major is. But...“The adopted kid of Ivy League” ?? Excuse me? Do you even have any idea about what you’re saying?
@@bluerulesgreensucks haha your comment doesn't even make sense and you had to copy mine because you couldn't come up with an original reply aww poor baby is so butthurt over the overwhelming amount of people in this comment section that know Columbia is better awww this makes me feel soo much better knowing that I declined NYU since it's basically the safety school to Cornell and Columbia in NY LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
@@bluerulesgreensucks but it's ok. you should really feel honored that NYU was put in the same breath as Columbia haha. all of your desperate attempts in this comment section is exposing your inferiority complex loserrr hahahahahahahahahaha
@@brendonk9476 If the comment was copied from you, but doesn't make any sense, then you've acknowledged your own comment doesn't make sense. You're not worth the effort of original replies when you embarrass yourself without realizing it. Aww, poor baby is so butthurt over the overwhelming amount of people in this comment section that know NYU is better, awww thanks for demonstrating how little intellect is required for Columbia. Well, assuming you actually got into any of these schools because anyone who's been in New York knows that Cornell students have no interest in city schools because upstate New York is completely different - and many miles away - from the city. It would have made more sense if you said Princeton instead of Cornell - but that's right, Columbia is basically the safety school to Princeton LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
Columbia is one of the best colleges and universities in the WORLD and one of the very very best schools in the USA. It is better than most of the other Ivy League Schools and was the THIRD most selective school in the country (SECOND most selective in the Ivy League after Harvard). Further, it is one of the original Ivy League schools along with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. I would need a supercomputer to express to you how much better Columbia is than NYU. The black guy was obviously rejected hard from Columbia and for GOOD REASON.
Pasquale Keim i attend columbia and i completely agree. the black guy clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and the fact that he said “adopted ivy” just pissed me off so much. he probably did get rejected from columbia and it’s not like we would want him here anyways with that attitude.
I don't go to NYU. I love and admire Columbia, but all of your attitudes are making me sick. I always thought that Columbia students were smart, talented and progressive intellectuals who have some decency. Apparently I was wrong, as it looks like the prestige of your school is EXTREMELY important to you, and how dare ANYONE to denounce your historic and selective university! Is that why you go to Columbia, so you can say you are better than kids who go to NYU? Because it sure sounds like it. Your pride was obviously wounded by the teasingly, unthought-out statement "the black guy" made (he obviously struck a chord with you guys ;/ ), but don't go attacking his level of intelligence or degrading his school, poke back with a mock-jab at NYU or something. You guys need to use your large Ivy league school brains and have a long hard think about your elevated self esteem.
Characterizing Columbia as the Ivy League school (along with Cornell) people go to if they can't get into other Ivy League schools is dead wrong. Indeed Columbia was the second-most selective of the Ivies last year, after Harvard; yes more difficult to get into than, say, Yale, Princeton, or Brown. Columbia's intellectual atmosphere and provision for scholarly endeavor in small seminars in the first year, and financial aid (and thus, average net cost) are distinctly superior to what one finds at NYU.
@Xilun Jiang Sorry you were rejected Xilun. No need to spew your sour grapes here though. Columbia's grad schools are top and easily beat out anything at NYU.
@Xilun Jiang Nothing at Columbia is "easy to get into." Columbia is ranked #3 nationally and is the second most difficult Ivy to be accepted into. Enough Said. www.ivycoach.com/2023-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/
@@jasonlawrence8450 US News rankings are a joke and anyone who amounted to something - NYU grads - are aware of this. It's sad Columbia makes their students so insecure.
both are excellent schools, they are both well known in the world but it honestly depends on the major and the area of studies. for instance, NYU wins for film and arts (and maybe business?), Columbia wins for engineering, and basically everything else lol
@@user-nu3el2mo2w Nah Stern is much better than Columbia undergrad business. Columbia grad school for business is better than NYU grad school for business.
Columbia's acceptance rate (5.8%) is lower than that of Yale (6.5%), Princeton(6.1%), MIT (7%), UChicago(7%), and is much much lower than that of Cornell (14%), Brown (8.6%) and UPenn (9%). Columbia's yield rate is higher than Princeton's and slightly lower than Yale's. US News rates Columbia as the second most selective college in the US tied with Yale. Only Harvard (5.4%) has a lower acceptance rate than Columbia in the Ivy League. Columbia has the second most Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize winners of any university after Harvard and almost double as many as Yale and Princeton. Columbia has produced 3 presidents, which is the third most of any University after only Harvard (8) and Yale (5). Princeton has produced 2. Columbia produced Barack Obama, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay. Yale produced George Bush. The "IV" League is named so because the four original schools were: Princeton, Columbia, Harvard and Yale. It was adjusted to "Ivy" League once more than four schools were in the conference. Columbia and Princeton developed the collegiate and professional game of American football.
No, the "IV" League is not named after "four original schools". That's a folk tale that doesn't specify the fourth school outside of Princeton, Harvard, and Yale, so Columbia isn't even a specific part of that story. The name comes from the ivy being ceremonially planted at colleges. And it was actually Rutgers and Princeton who first developed the collegiate and professional game of American football. The first football game was played between them. Also, while three presidents attended Columbia, only one (Obama) graduated. Both Roosevelts withdrew. So that leaves only one true Columbia alumnus who became president.
Of the four original, Columbia probably has the weakest reputation to most, even if it's still better in that department compared to other schools outside the originals. Sharing the name with a country may have something to do with it.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Woah I've seen you on like every comment thread in this video. I'm currently attending NYU and you can f*ck off because you DO NOT represent our school in a bright manner. Unless your objective is to actually make people dislike this institution, then what you're doing - being toxic and overbearing - should not be what prospective students should see when they go to this video in hopes of distinguishing the two different universities.
@@dannypickford2101 Woah, I've seen these fake accounts show up on like every comment thread in this video. You aren't at NYU and you can fuck off because do not represent any school in a bright manner. Unless your objective is to further embarrass yourself over the internet, over what - institutions you didn't even attend - then what you're doing - being toxic and overbearing - is just making you more of an embarrassment. Real prospective students aren't going to browse the comment section, let alone click the view replies button. They're actually going to watch the video in hopes of distinguishing the two different universities - not watch the sockpuppets come out from hiding after a months-long hiatus.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Wow, you really are down bad right now. I know that any other real NYU students here are mature enough to respect the other schools in our area as much as our own. Class of 22' speaking here - you are acting as an imposter of my NYU family. We emphasize inclusivity and acceptance in a benevolent manner, the opposite of what you've tried to make out of this comment section. Ever since my first year where I lived in Goddard, I've come to know so many great and understanding people from not just my floor but in my classes and networking events. I have many friends at the CUNYs as well as Columbia and we all support each other in trying to reach our goals. There shouldn't be a divide between my Tandon Engineering program and that for CUNYs/Columbia, but you're trying to emphasize that split with your negative attitude. For you to put others down because of your selfish thinking to assert superiority - it's not that our community can't or won't accept/help you, but you are just pushing yourself out of the picture. The same goes for the people who just say Columbia>NYU because of rankings and whatnot, but as an NYU student, you just get used to it and treat it as a joke because we all know there really isn't much of a difference in terms of the quality between the two schools. My friends and I know that my NYU degree will take me to places just as their CUNY or Columbia degree will too. If you still need help understanding this or overcoming your mental health issues, then I can set up a meeting between us two or you can refer to the NYU service number here: (212) 443-9999.
@@dannypickford2101 Says the guy who completely ignored the actual person not mature enough to respect the other schools in the area as much as their own, but got hissy over a comment that wasn't saying anything bad about NYU or Columbia. I know that other real NYU students here would have recognized that the OP was talking down to NYU while my comment wasn't saying anything bad about Columbia - it was presenting them as always equals in rank. Inconceivably, despite insisting you emphasize inclusivity and acceptance in a benevolent manner, you emphasized the opposite in what you're trying to make out of this comment section by whining about the comment for equality and ignoring the comment about pompousness. For all your talk about great and understanding people and supporting others from CUNY and Columbia, it's the comment saying that NYU and Columbia have always been the same rank that sets you off. Not the comment that supports elitism. Not the comment that actually is trying to emphasize that split with your negative attitude - the comment that is literally about a divide. Not the comment that actually is putting others down. A comment that depicted NYU and Columbia as always equal is what set you off. So either you're completely ignorant to what's being said here, you have ulterior motives, or both. With all the fake accounts that surface here, it's more likely you're not just acting as an imposter of NYU - you are a complete imposter. You want to emphasize a split with your negative attitude and put others down because of your selfish thinking to assert superiority, so you support this position and attack the other. The community can't or won't accept/help you, but you are just pushing yourself out of the picture by not even being honest about what you're trying to accomplish here. Funny how you say you can treat the rankings as a joke, but get offended by a comment in favor of ranking them equally. You say there's no difference between the degrees, but "inadvertently" defend the person who said that there was. You might want to call that number for yourself if any of this registered.
Comparing Columbia and NYU is like comparing UPenn and Penn State. There is no comparison in terms of prestige and academics. However, if you’re comparing other things, like food and campus. It’s all personal preference at that point. Also, most if not all people, if they got into both schools, would choose Columbia over NYU in a heartbeat.
@@bogdandragojlovic6254 That's not saying much considering how many schools are not participating with US News rankings. A better metric is to compare acceptance rates. NYU doesn't even come close to Columbia.
Nope. I had a professor who got accepted to both Columbia and NYU. When she asked the Columbia interviewer what the program would offer her, the Columbia interviewer got offended and emphasized Columbia's reputation instead of answering her question. So, she chose NYU. Times have changed. There is a comparison in prestige and academics and Columbia has fallen.
@@Meyerc-yv2bi That's saying everything because rankings look at all metrics. Acceptance rates ignore how many students are attending the school and who comprises the student body. But it's only natural you would do a 180 on US News now that Columbia is unranked.
Columbia's acceptance rate (5.8%) is lower than that of Yale (6.5%), Princeton(6.1%), MIT (7%), UChicago(7%), and is much much lower than that of Cornell (14%), Brown (8.6%) and UPenn (9%). Columbia's yield rate is higher than Princeton's and slightly lower than Yale's. US News rates Columbia as the second most selective college in the US tied with Yale. Only Harvard (5.4%) has a lower acceptance rate than Columbia in the Ivy League. Columbia has the second most Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize winners of any university after Harvard and almost double as many as Yale and Princeton. Columbia has produced 3 presidents, which is the third most of any University after only Harvard (8) and Yale (5). Princeton has produced 2. Columbia has produced Barack Obama and Yale produced George Bush. The "IV" League is named so because the four original schools were: Princeton, Columbia, Harvard and Yale. Columbia and Princeton developed the collegiate and professional game of American football.
Prescott Smythe actually penn, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton were the first four in the “IV” but ur point stands that it belongs in the ivies as much as anywhere else
@@prescottsmythe4423 No, the "IV" League is not named after "four original schools". That's a folk tale that doesn't specify the fourth school outside of Princeton, Harvard, and Yale, so Columbia isn't even a specific part of that story. The name comes from the ivy being ceremonially planted at colleges. And it was actually Rutgers and Princeton who first developed the collegiate and professional game of American football. The first football game was played between them. Also, while three presidents attended Columbia, only one (Obama) graduated. Both Roosevelts withdrew. So that leaves only one true Columbia alumnus who became president.
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the Worst was good enough for you
Not really a contest at all. Except for the Law, Business, and Journalism programs (which are roughly equivalent in stature) Columbia vastly exceeds NYU in academic quality, especially liberal arts. The Columbia students are generally more serious less party animals, fratboys etc. As one would expect from an Ivy league institution over 2 centuries old vs. a long time (and once Bronx-based) commuter school who only became a serious player intellectually about 3 decades ago. In other words, Columbia is "old money", NYU "Noveau riche".
Tuition strike from students. Unranked by US News for unreliable information. Inviting a dictator to speak on campus. Imposing quotas on Jewish students and being the last Ivy League to admit female students. Columbia coasts on name recognition and nothing else. And calling NYU "a long-time commuter school" is laughable when 67% of the students are out of state.
@@bluerulesgreensucks For most of its existence, NYU HAS been a commuter school. Not very intellectually high-ranked until the mid-90s when it suddenly went on a spending spree to attract higher-quality faculty. And still lacking the academic and research prestige of Columbia by all the relevant metrics including number of Nobel Prize winners on faculty, research accomplishments etc. (as well as the meaningless US News rankings). None of the regrettable factors you mention affect its current status while things like visiting dictators and early twentieth century anti-semitic quotas are certainly not unique to Columbia or other universities of even higher ranking.
@@NYCOPERAFAN The keywords there are "HAS" and "until". Even if that was the case in the past, that's not the case today (and better to be a commuter school than deny Jonas Salk and Richard Feynman over being Jewish). Nobel Prize winners on faculty and research accomplishments are irrelevant metrics that place the school above what actually matters, the students. Getting students so angered they go on a tuition strike does affect its current status with the only relevant metric, the students, and while US News rankings are meaningless, it still hurts the school in the public eye to be accused of providing unreliable data. The quota isn't unique, but that doesn't excuse its existence, and inviting a dictator on campus in the 21st century is pretty unique. It says something for NYU to even have comparisons with Columbia, despite being nearly a century younger. And let's face it - employers have stopped paying attention to educational backgrounds, unless there's graduate degrees involved - and you acknowledged the main graduate programs are roughly equal.
@@bluerulesgreensucks jealous much nyLuSER? What's it like being a Columbia reject, live in mommy's basement and troll the internet all day spewing lies. Can't get a job, because you went to a second tier school. LOL!!
@@dantove963 jealous much ColumbIDIOT? What's it like being an NYU reject, live in mommy's basement and troll the internet all day spewing lies. Can't get a job, because you went to a second tier school. LOL
Congrats! I guess you dodged a bullet with NYU tho considering there's some freak in this comment section who is obsessed with that school lmao I've been living in his head rent-free this entire time haha
@@bigjuicypickle8318 thank you luv 😍 I did not apply to NYU as I only focused on Columbia in my application 😊 i wish to get along with all the nyc unis! ☺
lol my bad on assuming you applied to NYU (usually ppl do it as a safety option to Columbia) again, congrats on this accomplishment! it's always great to see diversity!
As a Columbia student I guess I should give my opinion. I think there are valid criticisms and benefits of both schools. In terms of engineering academics, Columbia has more prestige, which is all that really matters when you are job hunting. In terms of location, Columbia has a nicer campus, though NYU has a much nicer surrounding area and better local food imo. Being so far uptown can be annoying, but also def exaggerated a bit (its about 20 min train from campus to Times Square, and from there you can get anywhere on Manhattan pretty quickly). I don't really know much about the NYU administration, but the Columbia administration can definitely be quite a headache at times, so that is something to watch out for. But for a genuine answer, I would say that if you are serious about the education aspects, you should favor Columbia. But if you are looking more for an experience, maybe NYU is for you. Though, maybe a normal college outside of a main city would be more your style if you are looking for the 'college experience'. NYU's lack of centralized campus makes it feel a little disconnected from my pov. All serious points aside, the NYU students hate us cuz they aint us 😎
Needless to compare.Cause absolutely Columbia,which is belonging to IVY league,but another one?One is ranking more higher than another one.That’s it:One is academic college,another one is just college.At least I know US RANKING,QS RANKING which one is more higher.
A top 50 ranking is not "just college". But nobody serious about their future takes rankings seriously because rankings can't gauge a student's fit to a school.
Xilun Jiang Columbia was better for me IMO. NYU was definitely more social but its far easier to find long lasting friends at Columbia. Also NYUs STEM curriculum definitely wasn’t as good Columbia’s, and I noticed in my first couple of internships there were concepts I wasn’t taught that were standard for CS majors at other colleges. And a huge thing I didn’t like about NYU was the campus. The first week I was there the open campus was a lot of fun to explore but after that it started to feel somewhat lonely. Columbia’s campus, is not only gorgeous but I felt a closer sense of community. But both schools are great it just depends on what you want from a NYC college experience.
NYU is way more unique, ppl hardly name another school that is comparable,,,but I would say there are a list of schools that share similar features with columbia lol
What's so unique about it? It's a lower-tier version of Northwestern and similar universities whose Professional schools outrank their liberal arts and P.h.D programs. Columbia is near the top in EVERY field it represents.
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
@@bluerulesgreensucks Did you pick up a copy of US NEWS 2021 college rankings yet? Maybe on your way to the psyche ward you can stop at a news stand little eddie.
@@bryantcooke8357 Still lying about attending Columbia, broke Bryant? At this rate, you won't even be able to read your tin rankings after you're taken away.
@@bryantcooke8357 Still waiting for you to acknowledge the fact that there's zero evidence of "Bryant Cooke" attending Columbia, broke Bryant. If you don't collapse from your own foolishness, your lies will collapse on you. Clearly, you're not alright, but not enough people are worried about your mental health to do something about it.
Who the hell compares Columbia to NYU?
I think it’s because they’re the top NY schools
Some moron stupid shix probably
@@Noneofurbusiness-or6is Only that type of person would complain about the comparison.
The average applicant to New York City colleges.
@@filmolivefilm3571 Only sociopaths with inferiority complexes make such comparisons Josh. No contest here. Columbia wins.
Both of them are excellent schools depend on what major is. But...“The adopted kid of Ivy League” ?? Excuse me? Do you even have any idea about what you’re saying?
Fuck NYU
@@khurramsarwar7851 Fuck Columbia.
@@bluerulesgreensucks haha your comment doesn't even make sense and you had to copy mine because you couldn't come up with an original reply aww poor baby is so butthurt over the overwhelming amount of people in this comment section that know Columbia is better awww this makes me feel soo much better knowing that I declined NYU since it's basically the safety school to Cornell and Columbia in NY LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
@@bluerulesgreensucks but it's ok. you should really feel honored that NYU was put in the same breath as Columbia haha. all of your desperate attempts in this comment section is exposing your inferiority complex loserrr hahahahahahahahahaha
@@brendonk9476 If the comment was copied from you, but doesn't make any sense, then you've acknowledged your own comment doesn't make sense. You're not worth the effort of original replies when you embarrass yourself without realizing it. Aww, poor baby is so butthurt over the overwhelming amount of people in this comment section that know NYU is better, awww thanks for demonstrating how little intellect is required for Columbia. Well, assuming you actually got into any of these schools because anyone who's been in New York knows that Cornell students have no interest in city schools because upstate New York is completely different - and many miles away - from the city. It would have made more sense if you said Princeton instead of Cornell - but that's right, Columbia is basically the safety school to Princeton LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
Transferred from NYU To Columbia. Enough said.
why?
How? lol, I heard that transferring to Columbia is quite rare.
how hard is it to do that
Lol congrats sorry if im late
Same!
Columbia is one of the best colleges and universities in the WORLD and one of the very very best schools in the USA. It is better than most of the other Ivy League Schools and was the THIRD most selective school in the country (SECOND most selective in the Ivy League after Harvard). Further, it is one of the original Ivy League schools along with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. I would need a supercomputer to express to you how much better Columbia is than NYU. The black guy was obviously rejected hard from Columbia and for GOOD REASON.
Pasquale Keim i attend columbia and i completely agree. the black guy clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and the fact that he said “adopted ivy” just pissed me off so much. he probably did get rejected from columbia and it’s not like we would want him here anyways with that attitude.
smell your own farts much #smugalert
^Typical NYU response. Sad.
I don't go to NYU. I love and admire Columbia, but all of your attitudes are making me sick. I always thought that Columbia students were smart, talented and progressive intellectuals who have some decency. Apparently I was wrong, as it looks like the prestige of your school is EXTREMELY important to you, and how dare ANYONE to denounce your historic and selective university! Is that why you go to Columbia, so you can say you are better than kids who go to NYU? Because it sure sounds like it. Your pride was obviously wounded by the teasingly, unthought-out statement "the black guy" made (he obviously struck a chord with you guys ;/ ), but don't go attacking his level of intelligence or degrading his school, poke back with a mock-jab at NYU or something. You guys need to use your large Ivy league school brains and have a long hard think about your elevated self esteem.
@@shrekt1000 I don't go to Columbia or an Ivy League school. That's literally just my opinion on the matter. These two schools are not comparable.
Characterizing Columbia as the Ivy League school (along with Cornell) people go to if they can't get into other Ivy League schools is dead wrong. Indeed Columbia was the second-most selective of the Ivies last year, after Harvard; yes more difficult to get into than, say, Yale, Princeton, or Brown. Columbia's intellectual atmosphere and provision for scholarly endeavor in small seminars in the first year, and financial aid (and thus, average net cost) are distinctly superior to what one finds at NYU.
Columbia is ranked #3 in the nation. It's sad NYU does not prepare their students to deal with facts. www.usnews.com/best-colleges
@Xilun Jiang Sorry you were rejected Xilun. No need to spew your sour grapes here though. Columbia's grad schools are top and easily beat out anything at NYU.
@Xilun Jiang Nothing at Columbia is "easy to get into." Columbia is ranked #3 nationally and is the second most difficult Ivy to be accepted into. Enough Said. www.ivycoach.com/2023-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/
@@jasonlawrence8450 US News rankings are a joke and anyone who amounted to something - NYU grads - are aware of this. It's sad Columbia makes their students so insecure.
@@bryantcooke8357 It's easy to get into when you have money and name recognition. Enough said.
I applied to Columbia & NYU & got accepted by both. Where did I go...Columbia!
Congrats Sharon!!!! I transferred from NYU to Columbia. Never looked back and glad I made the switch. Columbia is a far superior school.
@@bryantcooke8357 good for you!!!
@@bryantcooke8357 No you didn't. You're so peeved about being denied, you failed to realize NYU is a far superior school.
@@sharonwilliams271 He's lying.
@@bluerulesgreensucks NYU NUT JOB MUCH?
both are excellent schools, they are both well known in the world but it honestly depends on the major and the area of studies. for instance, NYU wins for film and arts (and maybe business?), Columbia wins for engineering, and basically everything else lol
I don't know about business. Columbia I think is better.
@@user-nu3el2mo2w Nah Stern is much better than Columbia undergrad business. Columbia grad school for business is better than NYU grad school for business.
Boss and Stern is way harder to get into than the Columbia business school (for grad school)
@cindi brady for undergrad stern is ranked higher I think
@cindi brady Citation needed.
Columbia's acceptance rate (5.8%) is lower than that of Yale (6.5%), Princeton(6.1%), MIT (7%), UChicago(7%), and is much much lower than that of Cornell (14%), Brown (8.6%) and UPenn (9%). Columbia's yield rate is higher than Princeton's and slightly lower than Yale's. US News rates Columbia as the second most selective college in the US tied with Yale. Only Harvard (5.4%) has a lower acceptance rate than Columbia in the Ivy League. Columbia has the second most Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize winners of any university after Harvard and almost double as many as Yale and Princeton. Columbia has produced 3 presidents, which is the third most of any University after only Harvard (8) and Yale (5). Princeton has produced 2. Columbia produced Barack Obama, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay. Yale produced George Bush.
The "IV" League is named so because the four original schools were: Princeton, Columbia, Harvard and Yale. It was adjusted to "Ivy" League once more than four schools were in the conference. Columbia and Princeton developed the collegiate and professional game of American football.
Prescott Smythe Alexander Hamilton and John Jay were never presidents...
you forgot FDR
No, the "IV" League is not named after "four original schools". That's a folk tale that doesn't specify the fourth school outside of Princeton, Harvard, and Yale, so Columbia isn't even a specific part of that story. The name comes from the ivy being ceremonially planted at colleges. And it was actually Rutgers and Princeton who first developed the collegiate and professional game of American football. The first football game was played between them.
Also, while three presidents attended Columbia, only one (Obama) graduated. Both Roosevelts withdrew. So that leaves only one true Columbia alumnus who became president.
@@IMPERATOR-EL He dropped out.
Of the four original, Columbia probably has the weakest reputation to most, even if it's still better in that department compared to other schools outside the originals. Sharing the name with a country may have something to do with it.
Since when did NYU begin to be portrayed as an institution that’s in the same rank as Columbia???
Since always.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Woah I've seen you on like every comment thread in this video. I'm currently attending NYU and you can f*ck off because you DO NOT represent our school in a bright manner. Unless your objective is to actually make people dislike this institution, then what you're doing - being toxic and overbearing - should not be what prospective students should see when they go to this video in hopes of distinguishing the two different universities.
@@dannypickford2101 Woah, I've seen these fake accounts show up on like every comment thread in this video. You aren't at NYU and you can fuck off because do not represent any school in a bright manner. Unless your objective is to further embarrass yourself over the internet, over what - institutions you didn't even attend - then what you're doing - being toxic and overbearing - is just making you more of an embarrassment. Real prospective students aren't going to browse the comment section, let alone click the view replies button. They're actually going to watch the video in hopes of distinguishing the two different universities - not watch the sockpuppets come out from hiding after a months-long hiatus.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Wow, you really are down bad right now. I know that any other real NYU students here are mature enough to respect the other schools in our area as much as our own. Class of 22' speaking here - you are acting as an imposter of my NYU family. We emphasize inclusivity and acceptance in a benevolent manner, the opposite of what you've tried to make out of this comment section. Ever since my first year where I lived in Goddard, I've come to know so many great and understanding people from not just my floor but in my classes and networking events. I have many friends at the CUNYs as well as Columbia and we all support each other in trying to reach our goals. There shouldn't be a divide between my Tandon Engineering program and that for CUNYs/Columbia, but you're trying to emphasize that split with your negative attitude. For you to put others down because of your selfish thinking to assert superiority - it's not that our community can't or won't accept/help you, but you are just pushing yourself out of the picture. The same goes for the people who just say Columbia>NYU because of rankings and whatnot, but as an NYU student, you just get used to it and treat it as a joke because we all know there really isn't much of a difference in terms of the quality between the two schools. My friends and I know that my NYU degree will take me to places just as their CUNY or Columbia degree will too. If you still need help understanding this or overcoming your mental health issues, then I can set up a meeting between us two or you can refer to the NYU service number here: (212) 443-9999.
@@dannypickford2101 Says the guy who completely ignored the actual person not mature enough to respect the other schools in the area as much as their own, but got hissy over a comment that wasn't saying anything bad about NYU or Columbia. I know that other real NYU students here would have recognized that the OP was talking down to NYU while my comment wasn't saying anything bad about Columbia - it was presenting them as always equals in rank. Inconceivably, despite insisting you emphasize inclusivity and acceptance in a benevolent manner, you emphasized the opposite in what you're trying to make out of this comment section by whining about the comment for equality and ignoring the comment about pompousness. For all your talk about great and understanding people and supporting others from CUNY and Columbia, it's the comment saying that NYU and Columbia have always been the same rank that sets you off. Not the comment that supports elitism. Not the comment that actually is trying to emphasize that split with your negative attitude - the comment that is literally about a divide. Not the comment that actually is putting others down. A comment that depicted NYU and Columbia as always equal is what set you off. So either you're completely ignorant to what's being said here, you have ulterior motives, or both. With all the fake accounts that surface here, it's more likely you're not just acting as an imposter of NYU - you are a complete imposter. You want to emphasize a split with your negative attitude and put others down because of your selfish thinking to assert superiority, so you support this position and attack the other. The community can't or won't accept/help you, but you are just pushing yourself out of the picture by not even being honest about what you're trying to accomplish here. Funny how you say you can treat the rankings as a joke, but get offended by a comment in favor of ranking them equally. You say there's no difference between the degrees, but "inadvertently" defend the person who said that there was. You might want to call that number for yourself if any of this registered.
Comparing Columbia and NYU is like comparing UPenn and Penn State.
There is no comparison in terms of prestige and academics.
However, if you’re comparing other things, like food and campus. It’s all personal preference at that point.
Also, most if not all people, if they got into both schools, would choose Columbia over NYU in a heartbeat.
The difference is not even remotely close, ofc Columbia is better but give NYU props, they are a top 25 school in the country
@@bogdandragojlovic6254 That's not saying much considering how many schools are not participating with US News rankings. A better metric is to compare acceptance rates. NYU doesn't even come close to Columbia.
Nope. I had a professor who got accepted to both Columbia and NYU. When she asked the Columbia interviewer what the program would offer her, the Columbia interviewer got offended and emphasized Columbia's reputation instead of answering her question. So, she chose NYU.
Times have changed. There is a comparison in prestige and academics and Columbia has fallen.
@@Meyerc-yv2bi That's saying everything because rankings look at all metrics. Acceptance rates ignore how many students are attending the school and who comprises the student body. But it's only natural you would do a 180 on US News now that Columbia is unranked.
@@bogdandragojlovic6254 That is close.
Adoptive IVY ? Hardly.
moviedude22 exactly...Columbia is harder to get into than Cornell Dartmouth brown AND UPENN....that's 4 out of the 7 ivies
Columbia's acceptance rate (5.8%) is lower than that of Yale (6.5%), Princeton(6.1%), MIT (7%), UChicago(7%), and is much much lower than that of Cornell (14%), Brown (8.6%) and UPenn (9%). Columbia's yield rate is higher than Princeton's and slightly lower than Yale's. US News rates Columbia as the second most selective college in the US tied with Yale. Only Harvard (5.4%) has a lower acceptance rate than Columbia in the Ivy League. Columbia has the second most Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize winners of any university after Harvard and almost double as many as Yale and Princeton. Columbia has produced 3 presidents, which is the third most of any University after only Harvard (8) and Yale (5). Princeton has produced 2. Columbia has produced Barack Obama and Yale produced George Bush.
The "IV" League is named so because the four original schools were: Princeton, Columbia, Harvard and Yale. Columbia and Princeton developed the collegiate and professional game of American football.
Prescott Smythe actually penn, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton were the first four in the “IV” but ur point stands that it belongs in the ivies as much as anywhere else
@@prescottsmythe4423 No, the "IV" League is not named after "four original schools". That's a folk tale that doesn't specify the fourth school outside of Princeton, Harvard, and Yale, so Columbia isn't even a specific part of that story. The name comes from the ivy being ceremonially planted at colleges. And it was actually Rutgers and Princeton who first developed the collegiate and professional game of American football. The first football game was played between them.
Also, while three presidents attended Columbia, only one (Obama) graduated. Both Roosevelts withdrew. So that leaves only one true Columbia alumnus who became president.
@@zachslav1844 The story does not specify the fourth school and it's not a true story.
Cornell is a great school. Better than NYU. Maybe not Columbia.
Better than NYU most definitely, but not better than Columbia.
No it isn't.
@@bryantcooke8357 Definitely better than Columbia, but not better than NYU.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Is that a yes or a no? Can't tell little eddie.
@@bryantcooke8357 Maybe if you stopped upvoting your own comments, you'll have a better chance of attending Columbia. Think about that, little Bryant.
notice how the only pressed comments are about columbia
Notice how only the Columbia stans melted down.
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered!
Columbia = The Worst!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered!
Columbia = The Worst!
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
I don’t know about others, but I must go to Columbia University.
Hi "Bryant Cooke".
Way to contradict yourself with the Brown avatar.
@Bryant Jones ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the Worst was good enough for you
Not really a contest at all. Except for the Law, Business, and Journalism programs (which are roughly equivalent in stature) Columbia vastly exceeds NYU in academic quality, especially liberal arts. The Columbia students are generally more serious less party animals, fratboys etc. As one would expect from an Ivy league institution over 2 centuries old vs. a long time (and once Bronx-based) commuter school who only became a serious player intellectually about 3 decades ago. In other words, Columbia is "old money", NYU "Noveau riche".
Tuition strike from students. Unranked by US News for unreliable information. Inviting a dictator to speak on campus. Imposing quotas on Jewish students and being the last Ivy League to admit female students. Columbia coasts on name recognition and nothing else. And calling NYU "a long-time commuter school" is laughable when 67% of the students are out of state.
@@bluerulesgreensucks For most of its existence, NYU HAS been a commuter school. Not very intellectually high-ranked until the mid-90s when it suddenly went on a spending spree to attract higher-quality faculty. And still lacking the academic and research prestige of Columbia by all the relevant metrics including number of Nobel Prize winners on faculty, research accomplishments etc. (as well as the meaningless US News rankings). None of the regrettable factors you mention affect its current status while things like visiting dictators and early twentieth century anti-semitic quotas are certainly not unique to Columbia or other universities of even higher ranking.
@@NYCOPERAFAN The keywords there are "HAS" and "until". Even if that was the case in the past, that's not the case today (and better to be a commuter school than deny Jonas Salk and Richard Feynman over being Jewish). Nobel Prize winners on faculty and research accomplishments are irrelevant metrics that place the school above what actually matters, the students. Getting students so angered they go on a tuition strike does affect its current status with the only relevant metric, the students, and while US News rankings are meaningless, it still hurts the school in the public eye to be accused of providing unreliable data. The quota isn't unique, but that doesn't excuse its existence, and inviting a dictator on campus in the 21st century is pretty unique. It says something for NYU to even have comparisons with Columbia, despite being nearly a century younger. And let's face it - employers have stopped paying attention to educational backgrounds, unless there's graduate degrees involved - and you acknowledged the main graduate programs are roughly equal.
COLUMBIA is far superior to crappy nyu.
@@meyer8199 NYU is far superior to crappy columbia.
Just cause Columbia has a campus, you are not confined to it or in a "bubble" 😂
exactly
And at least Columbia has a campus. NYU has nothing.
@@jasonlawrence8450 At least NYU is easy to get to. Columbia is a nightmare.
@@Makasituation No.
But you are.
What’s NYU?
Who are you? ;)
@@bluerulesgreensucks says the nyLuSER.
Oops, now Dan Tove is getting filtered.
CONGRATULATIONS COLUMBIA!!! US NEWS RANKED 2ND BEST SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY!!! AMAZING!!! Sorry nyu........ :/
@@dantove963 Waste of life, much?
CONGRATULATIONS COLUMBIA!!! US NEWS RANKED 2ND BEST SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY!!!
NYU's biggest reject always returns to stink up this comment section.
You should know nyLuSER.
@@dantove963 You know nothing.
@@bluerulesgreensucks jealous much nyLuSER? What's it like being a Columbia reject, live in mommy's basement and troll the internet all day spewing lies. Can't get a job, because you went to a second tier school. LOL!!
@@dantove963 jealous much ColumbIDIOT? What's it like being an NYU reject, live in mommy's basement and troll the internet all day spewing lies. Can't get a job, because you went to a second tier school. LOL
These generalizations seriosuly makes me doubt these people...
Columbia ED 2025!!!! Nigeria represent!
Congrats! I guess you dodged a bullet with NYU tho considering there's some freak in this comment section who is obsessed with that school lmao I've been living in his head rent-free this entire time haha
@@bigjuicypickle8318 Says the freak obsessed with the comment section of schools he didn't attend. No wonder you keep stealing from taxpayers.
@@bluerulesgreensucks calm down luv 💋 nyu is an ok school too 👍Nigeria supports 🇳🇬
@@bigjuicypickle8318 thank you luv 😍 I did not apply to NYU as I only focused on Columbia in my application 😊 i wish to get along with all the nyc unis! ☺
lol my bad on assuming you applied to NYU (usually ppl do it as a safety option to Columbia) again, congrats on this accomplishment! it's always great to see diversity!
As a Columbia student I guess I should give my opinion. I think there are valid criticisms and benefits of both schools. In terms of engineering academics, Columbia has more prestige, which is all that really matters when you are job hunting. In terms of location, Columbia has a nicer campus, though NYU has a much nicer surrounding area and better local food imo. Being so far uptown can be annoying, but also def exaggerated a bit (its about 20 min train from campus to Times Square, and from there you can get anywhere on Manhattan pretty quickly). I don't really know much about the NYU administration, but the Columbia administration can definitely be quite a headache at times, so that is something to watch out for. But for a genuine answer, I would say that if you are serious about the education aspects, you should favor Columbia. But if you are looking more for an experience, maybe NYU is for you. Though, maybe a normal college outside of a main city would be more your style if you are looking for the 'college experience'. NYU's lack of centralized campus makes it feel a little disconnected from my pov.
All serious points aside, the NYU students hate us cuz they aint us
😎
Both are great, but I went to Princeton
Congratulations Columbia! US NEWS ranks Columbia Second Best in the Nation!!! Sorry nyu.......... not even close :/ Awe.......
@@dantove963 Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/
Lol at all the people in the comments throwing a tantrum about the joke the guy made about Columbia not being a real ivy
Jokes are supposed to be funny Kayla.
@@bryantcooke8357 It was.
@@bluerulesgreensucks uh.... nope. No one laughed.
@@bryantcooke8357 You did.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Guess again. And what precinct did you have your mug shot taken?
Columbia
Indeed! COLUMBIA WINS!
@@mickeyradomes6484 Nope.
@Ellen Jones Nope. Cry, cry, cry.
@Ellen Jones No one cares but you.
@Ellen Jones Only you care.
nyu doesn‘t have a campous lol, so real
@Ellen Jones Says the sociopathic freak who was previously claiming to be an NYU student. You can't even keep your personas straight and that's scary.
@Ellen Jones You lost, loser ;)
@Ellen Jones No one cares but you.
@Ellen Jones Only you care.
@Ellen Jones Easy Ellen is really a he.
not even a debate. we all know the answer.
Yes we do.
USN = COLUMBIA #2 IN NATION! CONGRATULATIONS COLUMBIA!
#2, like a turd!
@@bluerulesgreensucks a "turd' that just shit all over nyu. LOL!
@@chriscolumbia9579 Way to just admit that Columbia is an unhygienic turd, ya turd. No wonder you're jealous.
NYU students are good at turning their negatives into positives(or pretending it is)
And Columbia is all negative.
@Ellen Jones No one cares but you.
@Ellen Jones Easy Ellen is really a he.
@Ellen Jones Easy Ellen is really a manchild.
@ed bailey is a Sociopath Triggered.
Needless to compare.Cause absolutely Columbia,which is belonging to IVY league,but another one?One is ranking more higher than another one.That’s it:One is academic college,another one is just college.At least I know US RANKING,QS RANKING which one is more higher.
A top 50 ranking is not "just college". But nobody serious about their future takes rankings seriously because rankings can't gauge a student's fit to a school.
@@bluerulesgreensucks NYU NUT JOB MUCH?
@@mickeyradomes6484 The Columbia crazy never stops his stalking.
@@bluerulesgreensucks LOL! You went to NYU. What a joke.
@@mickeyradomes6484 LOL! You didn't go to college. What a joke.
Of Course Columbia is far better. Like you have to ask?
Of course Columbia is unranked by US News because of course NYU is far better. Like you have to ask?
No comparison, Columbia is the best school.
@@meyer8199 No comparison, Columbia is unranked by US News. NYU is the best school.
Columbia is still unranked by US News.
Columbia is still unranked by US News.
Is that even a question lmao
Of course not. Columbia is only defended by people who didn't go there.
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life rejected from Columbia and NYU / Columbia = The Worst
If u wanna be clinically depressed go to Columbia. I dunno what nyu kids do but it looks like fun
I went to both schools and this is flat out wrong
Xilun Jiang Columbia was better for me IMO. NYU was definitely more social but its far easier to find long lasting friends at Columbia. Also NYUs STEM curriculum definitely wasn’t as good Columbia’s, and I noticed in my first couple of internships there were concepts I wasn’t taught that were standard for CS majors at other colleges. And a huge thing I didn’t like about NYU was the campus. The first week I was there the open campus was a lot of fun to explore but after that it started to feel somewhat lonely. Columbia’s campus, is not only gorgeous but I felt a closer sense of community. But both schools are great it just depends on what you want from a NYC college experience.
@@Makasituation I love Columbia but they don't have nursing for undergrads :/
If you want to be unemployed, go to NYU. I know what Columbia kids do and it's a whole lot better than anything NYU kids are capable of.
bryant cooke That was very ignorant. Many if not most nyu kids are employed within graduating.
NYU is way more unique, ppl hardly name another school that is comparable,,,but I would say there are a list of schools that share similar features with columbia lol
What's so unique about it? It's a lower-tier version of Northwestern and similar universities whose Professional schools outrank their liberal arts and P.h.D programs. Columbia is near the top in EVERY field it represents.
@@NYCOPERAFAN downtown chicago vs downtown manhattan? no way...
@@hfddsds4901 You've obviously missed my point entirely (which had nothing to do with the school's locations).
@@NYCOPERAFAN location is a determing factor when picking a school to attend
LOLOLOLOL!!!! Funniest comment on the blog.
I thinks it’s all based on student’s personality
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered! "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life! / Columbia = The Worst! You FAILED to get into Columbia or NYU - not even the worst was good enough for you!!
lol at these Columbia kids trying so hard
lot of those nyu kids didn't try hard enough. That's why they are at nyu and mad as hell they were not accepted at Columbia. Sad :/
@@dantove963 None of the Columbia kids tried at all. That's why they are at Columbia and mad as hell they were not accepted at NYU. Sad :/
Jealous much nyLuSER?
@@dantove963 NYU's biggest reject always returns to stink up this comment section.
jealous much nyLuSER?
interesting
Congratulations Columbia! US NEWS ranks Columbia Second Best in the Nation!!! Sorry nyu.......... not even close :/ Awe.......
Sad that Columbia is unranked by US News!
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/ Awe.......
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/ Awe.......
Congratulations NYU! US NEWS ranks NYU as one of the best in the Nation!!! Sorry columbia....... you are unranked :/ Awe.......
13million subscribers,its
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ColumbIDIOT = Triggered!
Columbia = The Worst!
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered!
Columbia = The Worst!
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered - "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life - Columbia = The Worst
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered - "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life - Columbia = The Worst
ColumbIDIOT = Triggered / "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life / Columbia = The Worst
Seems biased...lol
what happened to this comment section lmfao
A completely deranged person needs to have his internet privileges revoked and be turned over to a caretaker.
@Mew2Win Then why does my channel have uploaded videos? 🤔
@Mew2Win It's quite the rabbit hole.
What a silly comparison. 😂😂😂
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@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered - "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life - Columbia = The Worst
@Ed Bailey Columbia is the worst!
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered - "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life - Columbia = The Worst
@Ed Bailey ColumbIDIOT = Triggered - "Bryant Cooke" = Waste of Life - Columbia = The Worst
Of course Columbia is far far better. Only a nyLuSER would say otherwise. LOLOLOL!
Of course NYU is far far better. Only a coLuSER would say otherwise. LOLOLOL!
@@bluerulesgreensucks nyu is for nyLuSERs. HAHAHAHAHA!
@@Meyerc-yv2bi columbia is for coLuSERS. HAHAHAHAHA!
Of course Columbia is better. Waaaaaaaaay better than NYU.
Of course NYU is better. Waaaaaaaaay better than Columbia.
@@bluerulesgreensucks nyu is for nyLuSERs. HAHAHAHA
@@Meyerc-yv2bi columbia is for coLuSERS. HAHAHAHA
Does anyone in New York have blue eyes? Where’s the diversity?
1:00, "NYU...with way better food."
I transferred from NYU to Columbia, and the food is better at Columbia.
@@bryantcooke8357 The food is better at NYU.
@@bluerulesgreensucks Did you pick up a copy of US NEWS 2021 college rankings yet? Maybe on your way to the psyche ward you can stop at a news stand little eddie.
@@bryantcooke8357 Still lying about attending Columbia, broke Bryant? At this rate, you won't even be able to read your tin rankings after you're taken away.
@@bryantcooke8357 Still waiting for you to acknowledge the fact that there's zero evidence of "Bryant Cooke" attending Columbia, broke Bryant. If you don't collapse from your own foolishness, your lies will collapse on you. Clearly, you're not alright, but not enough people are worried about your mental health to do something about it.
Hahahahahaha 😂
Columbia is far superior. Only a nyLuSER would say otherwise. All Columbia rejects. LOLOL!
NYU is far superior. Only a coLuSER would say otherwise. All NYU rejects. LOLOL!
@@bluerulesgreensucks nyu is for nyLuSERs. HAHAHAHAHA.
@@Meyerc-yv2bi columbia is for coLuSERS. HAHAHAHAHA.