14:20 Yep: depth and speed control were two fundamentals of the "Spoonplugger" guidelines developed by Professor Buck Perry, back in the 60's... from a 14 foot boat with a 10HP tiller, LOL. Great channel and information!
Jason, I am SO PUMPED that you have accepted my challenge! I am looking forward to hearing how you progress in the world of trolling! More videos coming!
@@MuskyMastery Chas just got back from a long day on the water. Saw huge schools on the charts that looked like solid ground. Trolled up and down alway around but nothing. Last nights luck will get me back out there tomorrow!
Hey Chas you need to get a copy of Precision Trolling. Speed is the least important variable for depth. Line diameter and bill design have more of an effect. Enjoy your vlogs!
I very much agree with you in bill design. Not covered here as this is basics. But interesting point on speed. Of course, regarding floating divers…speed certainly determines running depth. But, once a lure reaches what we might call its “critical velocity,” then yes…speed can be removed as a major contributor to running depth. It would then, as you stated be more determined by line diameter and bill design. These are concepts that I would consider beyond the basics category for most anglers entering the trolling arena for the first time. I suppose it might be time for a follow up video. Great comment!
@@MuskyMastery I’ll let you know after I finish the rest of the video here in a bit. I like the shoutout to Pennsylvania though! Micah, and I will be out trolling again here soon
Ok I’m confused. With the same amount of line out, my lure will run deeper the *faster * I go ? That’s counterintuitive to me. If I stop, the lure will just hang straight down. Slower should equal deeper. In the example @ 24:50 I would expect to only need 60’ of line out to hit 12’ depth @ 2mph.
With floating divers, if you stop moving…they will float back to the surface, and cease to dive. The faster you troll, keeping line constant, the deeper the bait will travel (within some limits). Also… keeping speed constant: more line means greater running depth. Hope this helps. All questions are good questions!
Dude, I would like to see a follow up vlog to this one! If possible, could you dive into the electronics a little more. Screen shots of Cisco pods (regular, mega down and side imaging examples would be cool to see), sensitivity settings, drag setting when holding rod versus rod holder. Does your trolling pass depend on wind direction, speed or current? Are you doing multiple passes in opposite directions? I know you explore different depths from your last video. Do you ever add weight to your leader or modify the DR to achieve even greater depth? I like the camera adjustment to a tighter zoom of the white board. It makes a difference! I also accept the challenge and will make it a point to invest more time trolling in the future.
John, first I am glad that the tighter zoom on the white board helped that is great to hear! And I am very glad to hear that you have accepted my challenge to troll more! I will be covering many of your questions in my user Q&A vlog on trolling that will come out this week. We will likely need a third video with all these amazing questions you and other folks are asking!!!
@@MuskyMastery you rock! Keep up the great work... you and JB had a big influence on helping me catch my first musky years ago. It happens to be my PB, a 50" beast and I've been addicted ever since! LoL
@@Andy_G123 thanks man! And congratulations on that 50 dude!!! I will be working on a new podcast next week as well. Thanks for your email. We will be in touch!
My biggest roadblock for trolling is doing it solo. In NY we can run 5 lines per person, and I have planar boards and the like, but I have an aluminum boat with a tiller. Impossible to keep straight while setting up planar boards and down rods, and even trolling two boards is a hassle trying to reel up at the end of my troll
Troll with the wind I know your problems well it's easier with the wind. At least while setting up multiple lines. Contour trolling is best with one rod in your hand flatline trolling as they say.
I also have a tiller it can be a pain! if you can "lock down" your motor to stop it from turning you can drop your trolling motor ( if you have a bow mount) and use that to stear and keep you straight or on track while your main motor or kicker does the pushing, extremely easy if your trolling motor has auto pilot or a hand remote but it still can be done with just a foot pedal.I know my old mercury does not have a lever to lock down the motor like my newer Yamaha does so this may not help much but I hope it does or at least gives you an idea!
Depending if you have a terrova trolling motor or some sort of minnkota . You can always set it to follow the countour or put auto pilot on that way the boats moving at all times.
Lots of great suggestions below here by folks who have run multiple lines. I am in agreement with all of these suggestions too. I have had success using my bow mount in constant set on a contour line at a very slow speed, while you organize your lines / boards. Most of the time I just keep the motor in gear with my tiller and put the boards out. My tiller arm is pretty tight so the boat doesn't walk. I would also recommend getting comfortable with 2 rods and working your way up to 5 slowly.
Dude, you forgot to mention to spray some grape' flamme' on the trolling lures. Great stuff. Trying it tomorrow on the lake you know that we are on. On this lake you have to be ready to vary your speeds because of the sudden depth changes.
My next musky investment is a trolling setup. However holding a rod for prolonged periods of time doesn’t make me want to troll. So I think a blog on holders and such is necessary especially if I talk my wife to go out fishing with. No way is she going to hold a rod.
@@MuskyMastery many of the Muskies Canada anglers use the Down East Salty rod holders on custom rail mounts. I hope to have some on my boat next year. Cheers.
@@thelonesomefisherman7425 Not only did he never actually prove his '' theories '' with actual VIDEO, he was DISPROVED with modern fishing electronics.
@jerrylanglois7892 Yes and no. Some of his theories have been proven false, or have been modified with new information. Still, he was right in that fish do relate to structure, which was revolutionary at the time he came up with his theory
@@thelonesomefisherman7425 Why would any of his '' theories '' need '' modification '' ?...and, he was even wrong about '' structure '' claiming it had to extend from shallow to deep. Structure is just anything DIFFERENT from the surrounding area, be it 1ft. deep or 50 ft. because gamefish instinctively relate to anything different.
Chas I love almost all your videos, but this one falls short. A discussion of "basics" should include how the drag should be set, how the rod should be positioned and the best leaders to use. Also, do you recommend line-counter reels, and if not, what's the best way tp determine how much line you have out? And, how do you know you have a fish (if in rod holder) and what should you do when one bites? Those are basics I wish you would have addressed.
Wally, I appreciate your constructive criticism - and that is why I asked if folks wanted to dive into a second “basics” video to put their questions in the comments section - which you have now! I will create a second video and address these very important questions and many others. Thank you dude!
Respectfully, this video is called "trolling basics." So if you found it boring...I'd assume you already know these fundamental tactics. Not sure if an angler like yourself needs any information (perhaps you are well versed...) but if you would like a vlog with higher level tactics...please ask those questions here! Thank you.
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Fantastic intro video!!!
@@finmanpoozie4756 thank you!!
14:20 Yep: depth and speed control were two fundamentals of the "Spoonplugger" guidelines developed by Professor Buck Perry, back in the 60's... from a 14 foot boat with a 10HP tiller, LOL. Great channel and information!
Just got done watching again added more to my notes
David!!! This is so great to hear! DUDE!
Thanks for the lesson, Mr. Martin. Always love to hear what you have to say, always great stuff Chas. Much love, Cole.
Thanks Cole! The pleasure was all mine! I am pumped that you enjoyed the video - more on the way!
I have never tried to troll for Musky.. After this video I think I'm ready to give it a shot here in Kentucky... Thanks Mr. Martin
Ronnie, now YOU are getting me fired up! Give it a go! And let me / us know how you do!
Wow excellent vlog definitely learned alot
Thank you David!
I accept your challenge Chas!
I can’t wait for the next video!
Jason, I am SO PUMPED that you have accepted my challenge! I am looking forward to hearing how you progress in the world of trolling! More videos coming!
@@MuskyMastery Chas just got back from a long day on the water.
Saw huge schools on the charts that looked like solid ground. Trolled up and down alway around but nothing.
Last nights luck will get me back out there tomorrow!
Hey Chas you need to get a copy of Precision Trolling. Speed is the least important variable for depth. Line diameter and bill design have more of an effect. Enjoy your vlogs!
I very much agree with you in bill design. Not covered here as this is basics. But interesting point on speed. Of course, regarding floating divers…speed certainly determines running depth. But, once a lure reaches what we might call its “critical velocity,” then yes…speed can be removed as a major contributor to running depth. It would then, as you stated be more determined by line diameter and bill design. These are concepts that I would consider beyond the basics category for most anglers entering the trolling arena for the first time. I suppose it might be time for a follow up video. Great comment!
And a copy of "Spoonplugging" by Buck Perry.
Thanks for posting this dude! Trolling can be tricky
For sure Leroy!!! Really appreciate the comment and if you have a question, just drop it here and I’ll do my best!
@@MuskyMastery I’ll let you know after I finish the rest of the video here in a bit. I like the shoutout to Pennsylvania though! Micah, and I will be out trolling again here soon
Ok
I’m confused.
With the same amount of line out, my lure will run deeper the *faster * I go ?
That’s counterintuitive to me.
If I stop, the lure will just hang straight down. Slower should equal deeper.
In the example @ 24:50 I would expect to only need 60’ of line out to hit 12’ depth @ 2mph.
With floating divers, if you stop moving…they will float back to the surface, and cease to dive. The faster you troll, keeping line constant, the deeper the bait will travel (within some limits). Also… keeping speed constant: more line means greater running depth.
Hope this helps. All questions are good questions!
@@MuskyMastery oh! gotcha. Thank you! I’m trying to apply this info to fishing spoons for trout and was having a hard time with that.
But with weighted lures like an Erie dearies, the opposite it true
This video is so helpful
Thanks Nate!!! Really appreciate it! The rules apply on any water you fish! Let me know if you have any questions! Drop em here!
I'll be the one that request part 2! Not sure if I missed it, how do you run your drag Chaz?
Awesome dude!!! Ok, a second video will be on the way! Lots of good questions asked!
Part two please very helpful for a beginner
For sure! Working on some new whiteboard episodes this winter
Thank you for zooming in
Jim, of course! I am trying to listen!! :)
Deer hunting now, I will try trolling next season, excellent vlog.
Thanks as always Mitchell!! Good luck in the stand!
Great video! I know you posted this a long time ago, wondering if you could help me find the articles you referenced about bottom bouncing?
Dude, I would like to see a follow up vlog to this one! If possible, could you dive into the electronics a little more. Screen shots of Cisco pods (regular, mega down and side imaging examples would be cool to see), sensitivity settings, drag setting when holding rod versus rod holder. Does your trolling pass depend on wind direction, speed or current? Are you doing multiple passes in opposite directions? I know you explore different depths from your last video. Do you ever add weight to your leader or modify the DR to achieve even greater depth? I like the camera adjustment to a tighter zoom of the white board. It makes a difference! I also accept the challenge and will make it a point to invest more time trolling in the future.
John, first I am glad that the tighter zoom on the white board helped that is great to hear! And I am very glad to hear that you have accepted my challenge to troll more! I will be covering many of your questions in my user Q&A vlog on trolling that will come out this week. We will likely need a third video with all these amazing questions you and other folks are asking!!!
Excellent vlog really appreciate it- Also i think if you have a vlog on how you use your electronics that would be awesome ! Thanks
Hey Chas, any chance you can make one of these for spring/summer transitions??
For sure man! I’ll be working on some new content this winter!
@@MuskyMastery you rock! Keep up the great work... you and JB had a big influence on helping me catch my first musky years ago. It happens to be my PB, a 50" beast and I've been addicted ever since! LoL
@@Andy_G123 thanks man! And congratulations on that 50 dude!!! I will be working on a new podcast next week as well. Thanks for your email. We will be in touch!
Hopefully not a dumb question, and hopefully i didnt miss it in this video, but how do i know at what depth to run my boat at when trolling?
Great content,,thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! There will be more on the way this winter....
Great info for this "caster". Is there a better time or weather pattern than others to troll?
Trolling works during any weather phases of course but could be best during tough conditions because you can cover so much water!
My biggest roadblock for trolling is doing it solo. In NY we can run 5 lines per person, and I have planar boards and the like, but I have an aluminum boat with a tiller. Impossible to keep straight while setting up planar boards and down rods, and even trolling two boards is a hassle trying to reel up at the end of my troll
Troll with the wind I know your problems well it's easier with the wind. At least while setting up multiple lines. Contour trolling is best with one rod in your hand flatline trolling as they say.
I also have a tiller it can be a pain! if you can "lock down" your motor to stop it from turning you can drop your trolling motor ( if you have a bow mount) and use that to stear and keep you straight or on track while your main motor or kicker does the pushing, extremely easy if your trolling motor has auto pilot or a hand remote but it still can be done with just a foot pedal.I know my old mercury does not have a lever to lock down the motor like my newer Yamaha does so this may not help much but I hope it does or at least gives you an idea!
Depending if you have a terrova trolling motor or some sort of minnkota . You can always set it to follow the countour or put auto pilot on that way the boats moving at all times.
Lots of great suggestions below here by folks who have run multiple lines. I am in agreement with all of these suggestions too. I have had success using my bow mount in constant set on a contour line at a very slow speed, while you organize your lines / boards. Most of the time I just keep the motor in gear with my tiller and put the boards out. My tiller arm is pretty tight so the boat doesn't walk. I would also recommend getting comfortable with 2 rods and working your way up to 5 slowly.
@@nicholasamorose4365 i got an old generation power drive, but ive got a 20 foot pedal cord so that might be what I'll do. Good idea thanks!
We miss you at pats man. Ain’t the same without ya
Who is this? haha!! I miss you guys too! I am sure you are kicking some butt! Send a message on Facebook! Go Rocks!
More trolling videos would be great I troll vilas county and any more info helps.
Dylan, awesome dude... more on the way!
Good video. I’ve haven’t caught a fish trolling yet
You will dude... thanks for the comment! :)
@@MuskyMastery I just haven’t had the confidence to stick with it. Lot of good info here tho I’ll give it a good shot. No problem thanks for making it
Dude, you forgot to mention to spray some grape' flamme' on the trolling lures. Great stuff. Trying it tomorrow on the lake you know that we are on. On this lake you have to be ready to vary your speeds because of the sudden depth changes.
Joe, troll that steep east shoreline out there! And yes, you gotta put a little grape flame scent on your cranks!!! Keep us posted!
Nice video
Thanks!! Much appreciated!
My next musky investment is a trolling setup. However holding a rod for prolonged periods of time doesn’t make me want to troll. So I think a blog on holders and such is necessary especially if I talk my wife to go out fishing with. No way is she going to hold a rod.
Awesome - a vlog on rod holders will be in order! Thank you for the suggestions!
@@MuskyMastery many of the Muskies Canada anglers use the Down East Salty rod holders on custom rail mounts. I hope to have some on my boat next year. Cheers.
I use Scotty Orca rod holders and like them. Some guys run Folbes holder which is similar. I troll for salmon and musky and even use them for walleye.
session 2 pls
Joshua, I will work on it for sure dude!
Thanks Mr. Martin 🥵
Buck Perry: Spoonplugging; Your Guide To Lunker Catches. The bible on how to troll for any species.
Much agreed. Buck Perry is the Godfather of trolling.
@@MuskyMastery He's the Godfather of all modern fishing theory.
@@thelonesomefisherman7425 Not only did he never actually prove his '' theories '' with actual VIDEO, he was DISPROVED with modern fishing electronics.
@jerrylanglois7892 Yes and no. Some of his theories have been proven false, or have been modified with new information. Still, he was right in that fish do relate to structure, which was revolutionary at the time he came up with his theory
@@thelonesomefisherman7425 Why would any of his '' theories '' need '' modification '' ?...and, he was even wrong about '' structure '' claiming it had to extend from shallow to deep. Structure is just anything DIFFERENT from the surrounding area, be it 1ft. deep or 50 ft. because gamefish instinctively relate to anything different.
Chas I love almost all your videos, but this one falls short. A discussion of "basics" should include how the drag should be set, how the rod should be positioned and the best leaders to use. Also, do you recommend line-counter reels, and if not, what's the best way tp determine how much line you have out? And, how do you know you have a fish (if in rod holder) and what should you do when one bites? Those are basics I wish you would have addressed.
Wally, I appreciate your constructive criticism - and that is why I asked if folks wanted to dive into a second “basics” video to put their questions in the comments section - which you have now! I will create a second video and address these very important questions and many others. Thank you dude!
I hope you are a better guide.
It’s a BASICS video lol. Why do you say that? Where’s the link to your video 😂
respectfully - way too much talking with not enough information. Watched for 15 minutes at 1.5x speed and could not take it any longer :(
Respectfully, this video is called "trolling basics." So if you found it boring...I'd assume you already know these fundamental tactics. Not sure if an angler like yourself needs any information (perhaps you are well versed...) but if you would like a vlog with higher level tactics...please ask those questions here! Thank you.