Which Fin To Buy? - Scuba Tech Tips: S09E12
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2019
- Fin preference is a very sensitive subject among our viewers. Alec stirs up the discussion by daring to compare the Jetfin vs Sea Nova for comfort, performance and style.
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Yup. I agree completely. I have a pair of classic Scubapro Jetfins hanging on the wall here in my computer room. They are now a room decoration and reminder of the good ol days.
Only be a few more years before kids ask you what they are for.
A
I switched from the jet to the novas and make a huge difference. The way you explain new and old age was spot on. Cheers buddy
Appreciate the feedback and that the change was for the better.
Alec
The jet style fins give me precision and control. I frog kick exclusivity, which means I don't need to frantically flutter as some newer divers do. Also, helicopter turns and back finning is much easier with shorter, stiffer fins. Each fin has an intended purpose for its given design. I don't necessarily feel one is better than the other, as some may suggest.
It is still a very personal decision. Sometimes the comfort and feel is preferred. Either way, if you tried both and picked a favourite, then stick with it.
A
Has nothing to do with newer divers. If you’re in a cave frog is better than flutter. If you’re in open water or drift diving flutter is way better. There is a reason why in freestyle swimming you don’t see people doing the breast stroke. Is less efficient and slower
@@peterk814 exactly ! I would like to see "alias Incognito" (now that's a coward name) frog kick his way while spearfishing or trying to cover a lot of ground... they could still make the fish the old shape and stiffness but not use super heavy rubber that sinks to the bottom or create a ton of inertia...
I simply love to listen Alec. Great video às always
Thanks for your support Sergio.
Alec
Thank you Alex for everything .
You're welcome.
Absolutely what today’s new divers need to see and hear. I’m not a fan of the new look, but do appreciate their efficiency. I just may give those a try on my next new purchase. Thanks for another interesting and entertaining video you two. 👍
They could look like an Octopus Arse for all I care, if they are easy to use and efficient.
Alec
Very, very knowledgeable man. A godsend to the diving world.
Thank you very much, glad you enjoy these.
I use the Seawing Nova Gorilla fin. And I love them. I ran Super Rockets for decades then upgraded to the Novas, and never looked back. Well worth the price tag.
I thinks so too Sam and I grew up on Rockets.
A
I’m headed to the beach next month and want a fast fin to keep up with whatever I come across…. I keep juggling between the gorilla vs nova vs jet/rocket and now the super nova. I’m snorkeling and for a good portion of the week. I want to travel far and fast legs willing. 5’11” 160lbs slim to athletic build. What’s your pick?
@@Stroker69 From what I am reading about the new Super NOVA, I would probably go that route. The Gorilla fins are a stiffer than standard Sea Nova fins. I have huge Calves and Thighs to power them, so I don't cramp up with them.
Enjoy your time at the beach. 😊
Dear Alec, I honestly tried and tested Seawing Nova fins. And I personally never recommend them to my students. If they want "just fins" - I recommend Mares Avanti Quattro, but if they want fins for fancy kicks - jetfin is the best!
Quattro fins are good. They've been around a long time.
I seldom recommend what fins (or mask or snorkel either) to buy.
What's right for you, by choice or by experimentation, is NOT necessarily right for others.
Suggest they try several. Most older divers are happy to let a new diver use their fins.
Take care.
Alec
I retired as diver I use jetfin my daughter inherited it until now she preferred using it.
Thank you! I actually have a pair of rocket fins that I was issued in the Navy. I was planning on taking them to Cozumel after a 20 year hiatus from diving! Now I'm sold on getting a new pair of fins!
I believe your feet will thank you.
A.
I live in hawaii and dive everyday. There are 32 of us who free dive on a daily basis (some scuba). We all have different fins, mostly long blade fins in the group. But 8 of us use gen 3 sea wing novas for free diving and scuba. I own two sets, the regular gen 3 and gorillas. I prefer gorillas for me personally, but I don’t recommend them for everyone.
The gorilla’s are stiff, your feet and calves tend to cramp when you kick hard when free diving, I know scuba is a little different diving style and a different kick, but I’m specifically talking about using sea wing novas for free diving. The regular sea wing novas are perfect overall.
I swam everyday over 6 months with regular sea wing novas, I thought the sea wing fins were breaking down and felt weak when I was kicking hard. But my legs were just getting stronger so I upgraded to the gorillas. I love the gorillas, but of my friends that have tried them think the gorilla stiffness are to stiff, and these guys are free divers.
I hope this feedback helps you choose which fin to buy, the sea wing nova vs the sea wing nova gorillas. Have fun diving!
Thank you for sharing your fin experiences. I wish I could dive daily but time and my ranch chores keep me busy. It's very good to hear from someone who has progressed up to the gorillas through strength training. Congratulations to you and all the free divers still able to enjoy the sea. Take care and safe swims.
Oh my gosh, where was this video when I bought Jetfins a few years ago. You are so spot on! Great video and thank you. I will be picking up some Sea Nova's.
Sorry it was not out sooner. Lots more to watch and learn from.
A
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I'm learning a ton from you, thank you for all you do!
Thank you Alec for taking the time to explain all the details and features. If you have the chance, can you make a review on the new SCUBAPRO Supernova fins? I heard they combined features from both Jet and sewing nova fins.
Glad you liked it. Lots more to see and learn about various scuba gear.
A
I regularly watch your videos and have learnt a lot (from Ranch videos as well). Your (and Kevin's, of course) enthusiasm and hard work is just amazing. Thank you for sharing all this knowledge with me!
I own both Hollis F1 and Nova fins. And while I do all the back-kicks, frog-kicks, your_propulsion_option_here with Nova's in a single tank configuration and while I'm traveling (totally with you here), I find it very hard to find the right balance and find Novas to lack in efficiency in case of a set of doubles and with a deco bottle. In the spirit of your logic, the same company keeps making the same car, so it is more like a Wrangler - it is still produced by the same company that produces other different cars, with some updates.
Thanks very much Arsen.
Personally, I have not tried the various kicks while wearing Novas. My old legs won't do some of those kicks. And, while I appreciate the offer, my friends who claim they can teach me how to frog or backward kick aren't listening - "my old legs won't do that!!".
Anyway, I'm guessing there aren't many fins that are efficient while wearing all that stuff. It's kinda like trying to haul a 40' house trailer (caravan to my Brit family) with a Mini.
Good points.
Take care.
Alec
Always an evergreen topic, Alec. Add my name to list of happy SeaWing owners, for certain.
I can tell that you use Novas - the smile gave you away.
Alec
Another great video sir... i own the Novas and could not agree with your more... 🏆 you rock
Thanks for watching.
Alec
I really enjoyed the review! Thanks for all the info!!👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
A
I've a pair of jetfins for sidemount diving here in the tropics (so I only use 4lbs). I find they're so negatively buoyant that they counter the two tanks quite nicely when running through your air. I also find that when hovering and side kicking to maintain that trim, the thick side cross section gives a LOT of control.
Having said that. When diving backmount, packing my divebag, or doing literally anything else, I've a set of modern, light, composite fins which I will never give up.
Jetfins are heavy compared to newer models, I pulled many a leg muscle in my youth using them. Glad to know you pick equipment for each dive style to get the best out of your gear. Thanks for watching and not being bored with me.
A.
Hi Alec, I'm a great fan of your show. You are right when you use the jetfin for normal finning (flippering). It is bad for this technique. But when you use the jetfin with the frog kick it is the absolute king. the large sides are ideal for backwards swimming, turning or helicoptering. The stiffness of the blade makes the backward kick (or pull) really powerful too. Any other fin (made for the flipper technique) will be too floppy. So, the reason why these black old fins are still sold is because they are perfect for the newest techniques in diving. (And yes, the foot pocket is awful)
My answer to that would be that there are technical fins and recreational fins. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I've only owned 1 pair of fins (scubapro Jetsport) and have yet to do my AOW, so... Yeah.
In any case, if I was to get the nova, I think I'd do the same as Kevin and get them pink. Even better, if someone I know had the same fins (same size too) trade one to get different colors on each foot. That'd look good! (maybe not, but I guess it'd be a fun way to recognize me!)
I don't think I'd call the Nova fin floppy. It's actually quite stiff. Its easy finning comes from design, not material.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I think I was too judgemental and I do not want to offend you. No, the novo are not floppy but they are also not made for a frog kick technique, just like the jet fins are no good for a flippering technique. They have both their own purpose. The jet fins have their PRO's too. Including the weight which is perfect for dry suits. And the frog kick is not only for hard core DIR style cavers (as others point out). I live in a country with very fine river sediment. Flipper there once and the visibility is gone for the rest of the day. We learn the frog kick as only technique, including the open water starters.
Hey Alec! Let me weigh in on this debate.
Now tech divers, and tech instructors always seem to favour the Jet/Rocket fins and will always give some spiel along the lines of "hinged and split fins are fine for recreational divers but when you have to move around in heavy technical gear you need a good heavy rigid fin." Now, they always seem to manage to sound a little derogatory/snarky when they say that, but you made a good faith argument based on physics and science, so forget those guys, I'm going to do the same!!
First, let me say you've nailed Newton's first two laws of motion. 1) Objects with mass don't like to change velocity (Inertia.) 2) The more massive (heavy) an object is the more it will resist changes in velocity. But let me try and poke a few holes in your argument!
The assumption seems to be that the point of finning is to overcome the inertia of your *fins*. But that's not the case! The point is to overcome the inertia of *you*!! We're not trying to move our fins for the sake of moving our fins, we're moving our fins so we can swim to where we're trying to go! Now the inertia of me in a bathing suit with an aluminium tank on my back is substantially less than the inertia of me with a twin set of steel tanks on my back, a drysuit, 10lbs of lead, a stage bottle, and a deco bottle.
And that brings us to Newton's 3rd law of motion: For every force there is an equal and opposite reaction force. This is what ultimately moves us through the water. The more force I can apply on the water behind me, the more force goes into moving me forward... and when I'm very heavy, I require a lot of force to overcome my inertia!
So the question of efficiency doesn't just boil down to which fin is lighter or which one is more hydrodynamic. Just because a fin requires less force from me to kick with it, doesn't mean it will be more effective at displacing water behind me when I'm this big, bloated, heavy object floating in the water column. Case in point, I was a snorkeler before I got my OW certification. So, naturally, like a newbie, I thought my flimsy, plastic, full-foot snorkelling fins would be perfectly sufficient for diving. (They were sufficient for snorkelling, so why not?) Nope. They were hell to kick when I was at 60' with a scuba unit on my back because they were too flimsy and could not displace enough water! Most of the force I put into them just bent the silly things like paper in the wind and did nothing in terms of moving *me* forward. When I bought myself a *bigger*, *heavier* pair of open-heel diving fins my life got much easier! And it doesn't come down to how the fins channel water or if they buffer excess force in their hinge if I mistakenly overkick.
That said, I've tried my heavy Jet/Rocket fins in warm water with just a single aluminium tank. In this scenario they feel like lead boots! They're heavy and noticeably cumbersome. I don't recommend them! But I don't notice the added weight when I need to move heavier, cold water kit around.
The plastic hammer you might buy for your grandson/granddaughter for driving their square pegs through their square holes is perfectly fine for that, but for repairing your fence, your'e going to choose a proper rigid hammer with some weight to it - even though, yes, it takes more force to overcome its inertia.
Anyways, love your tech tip videos! Cheers!
Wow! Love it. You can comment anytime Chris.
Take care.
Alec
Amazing reply Chris, thanks for that explanation.
@@Wolfhound_81 You're welcome! Though I'm still glad Alec made this video. The fact is, Jet fins are not going to benefit the vast majority of divers. Just those of us foolish enough to go diving with 90lbs of steel on our backs or bigger guys who have to wear a lot of lead with their drysuits. ;)
... and he's right about the foot pocket; they could definitely be a lot better!
Great reply! Thank you.
For me it summarizes up to: in warm water with light system go for a light, modern, flexible fin. in a cold lake with drysuit, two cylinders or more strong, heavy, classic tech fins.
I agree with the foot pocket thing too, could be much better.
Amazing response!
That said, I dive my old jet fins year round and love them.
Thanks! Great info. Actual physics!
Glad you liked it!
Very helpful, thank you
Bought Nova after seeing your first video and all I can is whoaaa. Had the luxury to try 4 fins in a controlled environment (all geared up in deep pool doing 50m laps) and those were the best/least effort. I hunt so I need to cover a lot of ground. Love they are neutral/float even with my drysuit. Seen many friend loose heavy fins sink to bottom. Light for travel too
I tried to use every new fin before we chose them to sell. I've clearly used a lot of different fins.
The Nova sure seemed to stand out.
Alec
I love the Nova fins too. They work great and look cool too.
Thanks for watching Toby.
Alec
I think they look dorky.
Talking about the color, I just bought a pair of jet fin with camouflage, and I like them =)
Camo is cool, just don't drop them.
I have scuba pro fins from the 90s... it's kinda like an older version of the scubapro fins you showed... I love them... I have jet fins too.. I don't like those to much.
Another fin I really like for snorkeling and diving in the pool is a scuba pro open toe fin, really comfortable! They remind me the old Voit fins and sea hunt.
Vintage gear is fun but not always as comfortable or powerful as today's products. Still they are nice to dive.
Great vid. Maybe that’s why I get crumps in my calfs using RK3. I also have the Neo. Going to switch back to them 😉
Right on
Good video sir, I had a pair of jet fins,back in the day, I couldn’t wear them, too narrow a foot pocket for my wide feet. I ended up with full foot fins
That fit and are comfortable.
You're right. As good as the Rocket/Jets were at one time, the foot pocket was always a joke.
Alec
My favorites are the ones behind you, aqua lung x-shot!
Nice fin. A bit heavy, a very standard design - not necessarily as efficient as the latest designs.
Alec
Fabulous to get your perspective Mr Peirce.
Saw it after I picked up a
set of USED Apeks RK3s, but before my ‘check out dive’ with them. The RK3s were intended to be at least an alternative, worst case back-up, to my SuperNova Gorillas for drysuit diving.
I do have large old drysuit boots (original AquaLung Fusion/Whites), that I would like to not replace. But, the boot gets super-suction-stuck in the SuperNovas at the end of a dive.
So far, just dove RK3 only with wetsuit-not dry. I am favoring the RK3s-more mobility, control of movement, easier frog kick.
intend to do more testing, including timed swim/snorkel. May end
up using both!
Good to have fins for specific diving, cold/warm. I used rocket fins for decades until my calfs said 'enough'.
A
Oooooh! And one more side note - the Jet fins come in more than one colour now as well! My brother has a bright white pair and my wife dives a red pair.
Still a 60 year-old fin!!
It's like putting make-up and tattoos on an 80 year-old lady so she can get a young man to buy her.
Alec
We have the seawing nova fins. Love them
Me too! Thanks Tony.
Beautiful review! That is definitely what I was looking for! (: Respect and subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
A
I really like how you explain Alec. Thinking to buy the orange instead of rk3
Orange is very easy to see colour underwater and had to miss on a dive boat. Enjoy them Robby.
Very good video. Thank you. I was looking for a pair of fins for this season in Egipt and I was comparing Seanova and Scubapro go sport. But it is obvious from this video what to choose :).
Having used Jet fins since they first came out, I understand why some divers believe they are perfect for everyone but the Seanova's are light, powerful and comfortable. Wanted to give new divers the confidence to try both to decide not buy what a buddy or store recommends.
Alec
Yeah I used to buy into the “fancy” new tech as well. I had a pair of those nova’s they’d totally buckle at the slightest effort and gave 0 propulsion. On top, I’d get cramps almost every dive. Needless to say they went in the bin. Then I got a pair of jet fins, effortless propulsion with even the slightest frog kick. And best of all not a single cramp EVER since I made the switch. Different strokes... I guess
Exactly. No one item is perfect for everyone, well except air.
lol Kevin's always having to take the heat.
Enjoy your video's
You got that right!
I use a seawing nova and a similarly designed fin to the jet fin, OMS slipstream, just lighter and with a drain hole but everything else is the same. I still find the slipstream design more effective in strong currents. i have the gorilla Seawings and they are a huge improvement from the first release with dual hinges but for strong currents, i feel more confident with the OMS slipstream,
Good stuff.
I've used sea wings and rocket fins. The rocket fins would make you fly. The sea wings made it easier to kick your legs but you didn't go nearly as fast. I'd take the rocket fins if given the choice.
Pick which ever make you feel comfortable. But at some time in the future if they feel heavy and slow, check out other models.
A
Hey Alec , been a while since i commented on your terriffic videos :) ,
The Old School Jet Fins are offered in various Cam and Pastel Colours over here in Europe ,
with a further Hole in the Blade :-o !!!!!
apparently for hanging them up , to dry and not become a Museum Display , ;)
I do admit i love my Mares quattro,s been in the North and Red Sea, Lakes Pools and caverns with em
and against the odds , am still alive and " kicking " ;)
Keep up the great work SIr
Greetings Lenny
Thanks for your comments and support Lennie.
Thiose Quattros have been around almost as long as Jets!
take care.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter you would know that better than me sir , but also great to see as you expected , so much sh.. getting stirred up with emotions , just cos , this is , that is ,maybe , better :D
Great review. I dive with the old school (read archaic) Jetfins barefoot in warm water (Turtles dry). The biggest drawback I found was the shear weight - both when traveling and diving. Without booties, they sink like bricks making it difficult to dive head down. They do offer these anchors in a new color (yellow) though. I just don't understand they didn't bother to make it in a lighter modern material.
I don't know either. Today you have softer, lighter material, but still divers of any age, like their Jetfins. Maybe that's why some divers still use tables vs computers. Thanks for watching.
This is not really a fair comparison as Scubapro Jetfins are probably the worst traditional shaped tech fin you can buy. Here in the UK we have the Apeks RK3 and Holllis F1 which are far more comfortable and easier to use. They also come in different weights/densities to suit your individual trim. I tried the Sea Nova and the Apeks RK3 and found the Apeks to be a good 2 inches shorter in effective length on the foot. For me this means greater manoeuvrability, whether when kitting up on a RIB or when in those tight spaces in a wreck. Fin length is certainly an individual thing, and the longer fins make me feel like I'm pedaling a bike in too high a gear. I'm with Anton Porteus below, I don't need to go shooting round but I do need lots of fine control to place myself accurately. Horses for courses I guess.
Love it - Horses for Courses.
Couldn't put it better.
Alec
US Divers Turtle fins are great for wrecks … love the maneuverability, however, I like the power I get from scuba pro Seawing for strong currents in regular open water non-overhead environments.
It is nice to have so many choices in gear selection, if you can afford it.
A.
Hi Alec. Diving in Sweden/Scandinavia usually means diving with a drysuit and then I recommed heavier rubber fins(personal choice) such as the Scubapro jetfin or simular. Still, I would LOVE to try the seawing nova-s but in a wet suit;) the jetfins are also avaiable in different colors- the blue cammo is awsome:) Take care! / Joakim
I put yellow racing stripes on mine. It didn't make them faster unfortunately, but it looked cool.
Alec
I am a tiny cold water drysuit diver so the novas works absolutely fine for me, but my instructors swears by their seawing gorillas that are a little stiffer so maybe give that a try?
I appreciate that education on the updated Scuba Pro fin. When I arrived in in Philippines the Davao scuba store sold me that Black, stiff, ankle chafing fin that greatly limits my endurance in the Pacific. A few hundred meters even wearing dive boots the discomfort turns into abrasions, that needs time to heal before snorkeling again.
It is a ten hour drive one way to an air fill here in Surigao del sur, gone are the days when I owned a portable Bauer compressor in Roatan Honduras.
The live Coral, Caves, begin 1000 meters from our beach so we time low tide to walk out to the drop off to eliminate two kilometers of fin kicking, but that limits me to a 2 hour window each day. China is selling electric mini scuba compressors around the $200 price. Have you seen these in Canada yet?
That is an amazing experience, thanks for sharing it. Hope your feet get better fins. I have not seen these cheap compressors but not looking also. Save diving John.
I'm 70 yrs old and been diving since 1973 and taught in pools and ocean (gulf of Maine) and worked at a shop where I could try any fins and I have never used a fin that propels better than a jetfin. That said, they are too heavy for travel, but the rest of this is, in my opinion, marketing.
I respect anyone who tried many fins before making their own pick. If your happy then stick with it Mr. Smith. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have a 1979 Trailduster and a 1996 Ram 4x4 Power Wagon. But my wife has a newer Vehicle. LOL! When I buy a new set I’ll get the new Version.. probably still give you blisters if you don’t wear dive boots! Nova means no go in Mexico lol. But I will get a pair of nova blue fins! Alec you and Kevin are Awesome!
No Go??
I didn't;'t know that. Not the best name for a product in the Latn market.
I think you'll like them John.
Alec
when diving with the dry suit i prefer a heavier fin like the jet fin, I think the wheigth/boyancy distrubution becomes much nicer. For a wet suit a ligher fin is nice. Also the drysuit gives so much drag so slow heavy strokes is the ticket cant paddle away in the same way that you can with the wet suit.
It's good to have a heavy fin with a Dry Suit. That helps to keep your feet where they belong - below you.
With a light fin, you'd probably want ankle weights.
Alec
For most recreational diving, the Novas are great, but from my experience the Jetfins are more suitable for alternate kicks. The Novas are some of the best fins for flutter kicking, but struggle when it comes to frog/back kicks. As someone who frog kicks almost exclusively, I love my RK3s.
To my understanding the reason for the vents is to remove a "dead zone" on the fins. The Nova design uses the same principle, just removes the entire dead zone instead of putting holes in it. From my experience this works very well as vented fins kick a lot easier. Other things you mentioned like fitting or comfort have never been a problem for me with the RK3s despite their bulky design (and the fact I have slim feet), I even use them for snorkeling.
TL;DR: both fin types are solid but perform better in different situations
Fins, like cars and BBQs, are a personal choice that need to match the divers style. Right?
A
well put :)
very professional and honest opinions as usual .. can we see a comparison video for NoVa Vs Gorilla Vs supernova ? it's a bit confusing to chose among all these "Wow" fins..thanks
Possibly! I have many topics I want to cover plus viewer requests to fit in. Will add this to my idea's list.
A
We appreciate sharing your long experience with full information and guidance
I just watched this about the supernova ruclips.net/video/yF1-l6wiJhc/видео.html while I love my nova I will have to agree about being a pain to remove after a dive (suction issue) maybe I will drill holes into the pocket :)
Force fin is the bestttt. Love scuba 2000 btw !!
Heck of a good fin; heck of a price.
Yep! Scuba 2000 is a pretty impressive shop.
Alec
Thanx Alec, great clip. Actually I should say great way of thinking. There's one more thing to consider: should I buy something what works or match for me right now or should I buy something what I will have to "grow up" to ? :)
If you're still growing up a lot, not out like most divers, you can consider that and use a thicker boot to fit better. Best to pick what fits you today as some grow a bit but from a size L to XL is a lot of growing.
i think the the short foot pocket is the best feature of the jetfin. It's been around for sixty years for a good reason.
I loved them for decades until my calfs said enough old man. Diving now I want my buddy to tow me!!!
A
I have both for years.they are all good, maybe for different situations. Nova fins those teeth might be a problem for cave line and a little too light for backkick, also a little soft for muti tanks. When it comes to frog kick, Jet fin has better control also heavy good for drysuit. Don't get me wrong, you probably use Nova more often if you dive in a tropical sea.I would recommend get both of them and a pair of full-foot, those works better when you snorkeling or free diving for fun.
Lots of different fins; lots of different divers.
Perfect!
Alec
If you are trying on a set of fins, should your heel be sticking out a bit compared to the bottom of the fins, or should be bottom of the fins (below your heel) extend beyond your heels?
The fin heel should not extend past the foot but that is just one consideration. Does the fin pocket fit snug inside? Not loose or tight on the toe or sides? Comfort is the measure of a good fin fit even if the heel extends a bit. Not everyone has Kevin size 13 wide feet and doesn't need fins!
scuba pro , twin jet max - very awesome
Good fins.
Alec
Thanks for the video, I am looking at buying a pair of fins that can help me improve my skills and use less oxygen when diving. But the nova are a bit out of my budget. Have you tried the Beuchat Aquabionic or the Seac F1 S? Otherwise, which one would you recommend?
Many thanks in advance,
I have seen them both but not actually used them. They look pretty conventional.
Why not wait a short while as you save a bit more money and get the ones you want and that you know you'll love?
Alec
The jet fins are available in a wide variety of colors now. Although not from Scubapro but there are a tons of companies that put out jet style fins with improvements like lighter materials and better foot pockets.
Anyways why not both? For currents and other entirely open water dives the Seawing Novas are pretty great. But for precise kicks in places like caves or wrecks I find that that the Seawing Nova isn't as good as. Sure you can make it work, but if you want to precisely stay in one place while working a line I found more tech style fins work better. I prefer the more hybrid Dive Rite XTs, as they work better when the flow is up.
Many dedicated divers have more than one set of fins.
The XT fin is about as simple a fin as you can imagine. It is a high-performance fin and best worn by very fit (strong-legged) divers. It is NOT a particularly efficient fin and lacks many of the newer, proven design features that allow a regular diver to fin for a long time and conserve air.
However, as with many pieces of scuba gear, what works best in one underwater environment, is not the best for another - or for a different diver for that matter.
Take care.
Alec
I have the Gorilla version of the Seawing Nova. They are stiffer and provide better feedback. Also, easier to frog kick.
If you have younger, stronger legs or dive in current regularly, the Gorilla may have an edge. I tried them and found no difference but I didn't push them hard either.
Alec
I tried jet fins and found them too heavy and uncomfortable. I much prefer my Oceanic viper fins. Nice and light but pretty strong. Thanks Alec, great video!
The Viper is a great, modern fin. It's actually a new take on the much older Mares Avanti fin that featured rubber inserts that supposedly trap the water and channel it off the tip of the fin.
Take care.
Alec
Terence Callaghan I have a pair of OMS Slipstreams, love them. Same design as a Jet Fin, but barely negative. Not mentioned in the video is durability, compactness and maneuverability. This is why I like this style of fin. I choose the OMS because I dive wet. Take a compact fin into tight places such as wrecks, etc. and the difference is very apparent. Since Alec made the vehicle analogy, I'll make one too. A sea wing nova is like a nice sedan. Gets good mileage and is comfortable. The jet fin type is more like a truck or a jeep. Alec is making the comparison assuming everyone is driving on the highway(open water). Both are capable of doing such, one is better specifically to the task. Many feel that jet types are much better for overhead dives (off road). I would agree. Can you commute in a lifted mudder truck? Yup, gonna be a rougher ride that requires more gas. Can your Camry hang in the slick rock and mud? Probably not the best choice. It's all about picking the tool for the job. Either way, video was a success, it created entertainment, clicks and fun discussion.
I snorkle, and was looking at replacing my old "he man" 60's era Kinugawa Pacific duck foot clones. Was heavily considering getting the SP Jets. My local dive store entrepreneur was showing me the advantages of the Mares x-Stream fin (his personal choice). As an aging retiree science teacher, I like data & application of scientific method. I did some research. I considered what my local dive shop expert told me (the guy has over 35 certifications and years of practical dive experience - think he knows something?). So I'm buying the x-Streams. At my age, I know - nostalgia ain't what it used to be (and neither is my body). Fins don't work right unless they fit right - my local dive shop can do this for me, and can give me service if I have problems w/out shipping probs - big advantage to me keeping wet.
You got it right, a good foot pocket fit starts a good fin. The rest does not matter if you blister or pull muscles, no fun then. Loved my early duck feet and still have a set for vintage diving days.
Alec, great video. I've been divng the Mares XStream for 700 dives.
Today I took a pair of JetFins for a dive.
The lack of full foot pocket is absolutely terrible! It is like you say, puts a lot of force on the midfoot and I cannot use the foot pocket to push away with.
Really, it felt like I put a pair of heavy wooden paddles on the front of my feet.
I had to frog kick from my hips.
Worst of all...they are VERY heavy and VERY negatively buoyant ! I actually had to put air in my wing a bit. It felt like I had a 1lbs additional weight on each ankle !
Yeap, I don't get why people love these JetFins so much...have they actually tried a more modern fin?
Hi Alec,
my wife and I dive the nova. The only problem (especially for women) is, that it actually floats or has positive buoyancy. That is kind of tricky, if you dive only with integrated weights. Can be solved by little food weights...
Ladies always seem to suffer from 'light feet'.
The Nova is supposed to be neutral although it can feel positive if you are used to a heavy fin.
I often suggest to lady divers that they consider trying ankle weights. Most find it really helps.
Alec
I had a similar experience the first few dives with my novas too. I am a tiny cold water diver (5'5",
Still clutching to my rotting US Diver Rockets... Haha!
Hey, they're classics. Hang them up and tell your grandkids you used to be a frogman.
I'd say that's the best use for them.
Great fins - in the 60s'
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I know, I know, good sir!
Over the last while your advocating for the Nova Fin hasn't gone unnoticed.
I would like a video on different types of fins such as travel, or thin long Vs. short wide, stiff vs flexible. Why a fin made for deep skin diving does not work for scuba. And maybe answer why everything I want is the most expensive. Maybe some good second choices to having the best. Like maybe a different material type or style. Is their a price sweet spot for quality? Not getting into brands per say, but is there a big difference between a $90 fin and a $250. Spending 3 times as much gets what kind of improvement?
Every video on fins creates a LOT of discussion: this is great, that is crap, never buy this brand, etc, etc. The same video on wetsuits, no comments. I will be doing more on fins, just did one on fin straps S12E01 so lots more to keep you entertained.
Hi Alec, I really enjoy watching your videos and learn a lot from them. On the subject of the power fins - I have a couple of pairs, one is jet fins, and the other is very old turtle fins made in Japan. Both pairs have the original rubber straps, which present me with a few issues. For one thing, they are a bit cracked, and I fear they may snap any moment. Also, my flag line gets entangled in them (which can probably be remedied with some duct tape). So I'm thinking about replacing them with spring straps, and have a couple of questions that you may be able to help me with: first, do you have any videos on replacing original straps with spring straps? Second, do you recommend spring straps with those little nuts on both sides of the steel posts that go inside the fin, or the once that look like you need to bend them with pliers will also work? Thank you, and my apologies if the questions are not phrased very eloquently!
Your question is perfect Denis.
I used those old Turtle fins for years - talk about big and heavy! I have to admit that at one time I too was subject to ego issues and I'm sure I wore them sometimes just to show off. How dumb!!
Definitely get the straps with the nuts if you can find them. They are usually Nyloc nuts, the ones that stay on so you don't lose them. The older style with the bendy clips are a nuisance. You may not have a choice.
Also, try to get straps that have a nice big finger hole for putting them on and off. You will appreciate that.
I think that most spring straps will fit. Check with your Scubapro dealer.
Good luck.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thank you for the advice! I'll make sure to get straps with nuts and a finger whole!
I'm sold.
I know you will love them Brad.
I'd take my modern fins over my dad's old rockets simply because its never as pleasant an experience constantly battling with my trim. Even though I'm always drawn to a simple, stiff fin, maybe eventually I'll have the opportunity to try those Novas out. Gotta say one thing though, you won't look nearly as cool in the new style fins as you do with the jets/rockets.
If you like that old. frogman look, you're right.
It just kinda' makes you stand out on a dive boat - the old guy!!
Try the Nova fin. I think you'll be impressed.
Alec
I had a pair of Scubapro Jet Fins back in the '70s, and I liked them a lot. Now I have a pair of Scubapro Seawing Novas, and I like them a lot. If my LDS had carried a version in red I would have got that, but since they didn't I bought basic black; black goes well with just about any wetsuit or drysuit, right? The Seawings are the most-expensive fins I've ever bought, but back when I bought my Jet Fins they were the most expensive fins I'd bought. The more things change, the more they stay the same as the saying goes.
Yep!
Thanks Brain.
Alec
Awesome video. Can you do a tech tip video on dive cameras. For example the go pro or other non professional cameras
I'll add that to my idea list, thanks Kartel.
Alec
Kartel Farley go pro cameras are good but there are tons of great cameras out there that cost much less...don’t forget these things get lost & have accidents & tech moves on so I wouldn’t pay for the brand name..one main thing for me is good light adjustment & good video mode that I can take stills out of.
US military has been using Rocket fins for decades. Tried and true and continued use for a reason. I'll stick to my Rockets.
If you love them, enjoy them. My first fins in 1958 were UDT's!
A
The best fins I ever used are the Mares avanti Tre in full foot pocket, and the Scubapro seawing gorilla (outstanding with a drysuit).
The Avanti style has been around for a long time.
Maybe some of the other drysuit divers should try the Gorilla.
They'd get the best of both worlds - a fin that works with a drysuit and a modern efficient fin too.
Alec
As a tiny cold water diver who dives in the PNW (5'5",
@@alisonho3724 I agree! For me the gorillas work better because although I'm not a very big guy (178cm/67kg), I have quite a bit of stamina in my legs thanks to 10 years of biking and skateboarding. Hence my preference for the gorillas over the novas (more feedback?). For my part I'm a frog-kicker when I do not need to move fast, and a scissor-kicker when I need to put the turbo. What about you?
@@eddieguyvh4765 same~
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Stupid questions time: Why would dry suit diver want the stiffer Gorilla version of the Nova? Is the Avanti considered a stiff fin?
Hi Alec! Great video! I use the jet fins but you've convinced me that I need to change. What are your thoughts on the new Scubapo Go Sport fins as compared to the Seawing Nova? I do like the more compact size of the Go Sport.
I think if you compare the Go Sport to the Nova you'll find there's precious little difference in size.
The Go Sport is a very standard design like many others on the market - good fin but nothing outstanding.
It certainly does NOT have the high-efficiency features that make the Nova so special.
Cough up the extra money Rusty. I'm sure you won't be unhappy.
Alec
Will do sir!
Fantastic video, really enjoyed your opinions of the two fins. Ive currently got Apeks Rk3, which I find great most of the time. I dive mainly in the UK with a drysuit. How do you think the nova's compare to the Rk3? The last few dives I've done I've started to suffer from a bit of calf cramping, so was thinking of changing my fin. Would love to get your thoughts on the rk3 against the novas if you get chance to reply. thanks
I know the Sea Nova's really well and used Jetfin's since the late 50's. Never used the Rk3's but they look very similar to Jetfin's in the foot pocket and would therefore have the same comfort issues. Watch my video S11E05 Fitting A Fin Properly, for points on comfort and see how the Rk3 measures up. If you can, try the Nova's in a pool with the Rk3 and see how they feel after 2-3 lengths of constant finning. That is a better test than just others opinions. Thanks for watching David.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter well after your review, I've bit the bullet today and splashed some cash and purchased a pair of the sea nova 2's.
Ill still keep the rk3 for Wrecks I think what with them being shorter. But can't wait to try them out!
Any tips on how to put a set suit on easier if you are by yourself
I tried a pair of fins from the dive club just for comparison, oh boy was I warn out my legs felt like jelly. I actually use seawing novas and if I had the air I suppose I could dive all day, I don’t know they are on they are so effortless. It maybe me but seawing suits me perfect best investment I made, and would recommend anyone to try.
It's not really fair to criticize something if you've never tried it.
But, some divers are so sold on "their" fin, that they can't even consider changing.
It's 2019 for gosh sakes!
Take care Kev.
Alec
Alec Peirce Scuba I was saying how good the seawing novas are compared to other fins, wasn’t criticising.
would love to see a review on the fairly new Zeagle Recon fins. can't see any independent review on them yet!
I'll see what I can do but it's hard for me to test specific products. I no longer own a diver store.
Alec
Hello!! scubapro seawing nova
fits ok to drysuit with bolt boots???
Thank you.
All I can say is try them on will all your dry suit gear to get the right fit. Some dry divers use rock boots which add a size, so don't buy until you test them. Take care.
I own many pairs of fins. I like the Force Fin but for the life of me I don’t know why it works at all. It is thin, short and flimsy yet it works.
The latest ones I got are the twin jets and I like them as well as the Force Fins.
Lots of fins to try Larry.
When I started diving there were 2 fins for scuba divers - Duck Feet and Churchills.
Alec
Alec Peirce Scuba I wanted to try the force fins because “that is what the navy seals use”....... if that isn’t the dumbest reason. I feel pretty silly.
Durability is an issue for me, hull diving so not traveling far, oysters, barnacles...my fins get ripped to shreds. That's why I'm considering the jet fin.
That is something you really need around those sharp points. Up here in Canada we had a zebra mussel outbreak for a decade. They are small but very sharp edges. I would end a lake or river dive and have tiny cuts in my gloves and knees from them. Be safe and thanks for watching.
Alex, for tec divers who are looking for shorter fins for smaller spaces, what are options for fin types?
What are your thoughts on the Force Fin, which is a modern fin design with simular design concepts to the Nova Fin.
I LOVE Force Fins for open water, though I find frog kicks hard with them... and now its hard for me to do anything but frog kicks.
Both the old Jet fins and Force Fins are shorter than average, if that's what you want.
If you actually measure the fins, side by side, as I did in this video, it's only about an inch or two.
The Force Fins are excellent although I'm not convinced the price is justified.
The Nova is a bit cheaper and offers several nice features.
Alec
Atomic split fins are awesome. They are the best fins I ever had.
Jess Peoples friends don't let friends dive split fins.
Ha!!
Splits WERE a big improvement but they've lost their luster, partly because of the NOVA.
If they work for you, stick with them.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter how does the nova perform vs the split fins?
Agree...my Tusa Xpert Zooms have given me great service for over 15 years!
Hi Alec, just one question why comparing fins made for different divers? When doing frog kicking, especially when you need to move with precision (not only in tec or caves, but also when near corals, when doing photography,... Lots of other cases), rigid fins are king as they both transfer the movement of the foot with better precision and give better feedback to the diver as to what is is doing and how it moves with the current and water arround it.
The nova are nice, but most of the features seem to be aimed at enhancing the performance of the flutter kick, which is a kick used to move large distances quickly or to battle strong current.
I feel like this video should have been about how the nova is a more modern fin than the jet, and how scubapro should make a new jetfin with these modern features like less weight and better pocket / comfort... Rather than actually saying one is better.
I think the closest match I could think of being like a jet fins with modern features, lighter, and made by Scubapro, that would be Go Sport Fin.
@@Caesar.Aquanaut Yep. I have the Go Sport Fins and I like them better than the Seawing Nova for that reason. I like how they feel, great for precision frog kicking and great feedback.
@@frangalarza That's exactly the same reason why I'm considering to get myself a pair of the Go Sports fins. Seawing Nova is comfy and really good with flutter kicks, although I could do the heli turns, frog kicks and back kicks with Nova but the lacks of precision and feedback are what makes me feel unhappy about it. Tell me Franciso, is the Go Sports fin neutral or positive buoyant? Have you tried this fins for multi tanks rig (i.e, double tank side mount)?
Hey, you may be right John.
Perhaps that's the answer to settling this discussion (argument?).
Scubapro should make a "new" Jet Fin incorporating some of the better features of the NOVA - in black only of course, for the old guys.
Alec
Hey Alec,
Very handy vid!, I have a question that I couldn't seem to find an answer to anywhere online and was hoping you'd help :), do bright coloured or white fins make a difference underwater other than visibility? would white fins attract fish or sharks?
Thousands of dollars have been spent trying to find a color or design (stripes, spots, etc) that would repel or at least not attract sharks. No luck.
I wear white fins and love them. My wife and I can be seen for miles! (or a long ways anyways).
They seem more visible than Hi-Vis yellow or pink or any other color.
Alec
it's a normal development process, at first, the improvements comes fast and closely spaced , when the product becomes to maturity, the improvements are few and far spaces, then, it's the time to scrap the design and begin a new one, it's the concept of obsolescence.
Exactly. Perfectly normal and straightforward process and it works.
The good stuff survives the vetting process. The junk, not so much.
Alec
I think the price of the Nova Fin deters a lot of divers from this work of art, but if you consider that this piece of gear will probably last the rest of your diving career, and the comfort that it affords, not to mention the effort and air consumption that can also be saved, you will find the Nova Fin to be a worthwhile investment.
Main issue is they do not last a long time. There are a slew of reports from users that the hinge of the fin tends to crack, they made some changes to the new nova model but it IS inherently a more fragile design than most other fins.
Another argument to be made is that most people who are really into diving and diving gear will use frog kick, not flutter kick. I have yet to see that this fin is measurably better at frog kicking than a traditional rigid fin... It sure is lighter than most rigid fins and more efficient at frog kicking than most standard fins, but for me these fins looks more like a compromise than a solution for the advanced diver.
Compromise? Hmmm. I don't see that myself.
The vast majority of divers use the flutter kick. Best or not, it is the standard kick for swimmers, snorkellers and scuba divers.
As for the Nova not being as good for the Frog kick, I don't know. I can't Frog kick and most negative comments have come from die-hard Jet fin owners who I can pretty much guess have not tried to Frog kick with Novas. There's no practical reason why they wouldn't work equally well, if not better. Their shape and size is virtually the same.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
I use both styles, just depends on my dive plan.
Smart.
Alec
Hi sir , what are your thoughts on scubapro go sport fins?
Thank you
POS...tested them on a recent dive...absolutely no substance to them and they are so light and flimsy when I jumped off the boat and hit the water I thought they came off. Very little power underwater as well.
Hi Alec, Old vs new designs in fins. When i was say 10 the adults had fins with a slip into fin, fins back then for kids had the rear strap not the whole foot type. Now all i see on high end fins are the strap type, is this true or am i just nuts ? Enjoyed your Fins new vs old designs. 👍
Full Foot Fins were the norm for all diving at one time. The early fins with straps were simply made to fit lots of different feet, particularly kids.
Since today's scuba divers want to wear a dive boot, the Full Foot has given way to the strap style.
Alec
I’ve been diving since 1990 and have had several pairs of fins going back to the 1970’s when I had rubber VOIT fins. For past twenty or so years ive been diving with mares Avanti, aqualung blades and blades II. Blades II were too stiff so I took down the ribs with a wood planer. Last year I bought a pair of Seawings. For me they are the best fin due to my kicking style. The fin is effortless for me. In fact I recently bought a second par with the foot pocket. All my other fins are worthless to me compared to the Seawings.
Thanks for sharing your 'stone age' experiences Eugene. I'm offering tips and suggestions for divers to consider without the pressure of a sales person. Maybe in a few years a fantastic new fin will come out and we will tell crazy stories of using Seawings to the grand kids.
Alec
Hey Alec, I am a proper mermaid when swimming without a tank but am really missing surface skills to swim in current to the boat 200 meters with dive gear (and catch bag). Can you give some tips on how to scuba surface swim?
Some skills are to be as buoyant as possible, go face down with a snorkel or on your back as taught in open water. Maybe the key is set a swim pace and keep at it. Or do what I do, hang on to Kevin's tank.
A.
Hello Alec. Nice video! I really want your opinion. I am working at fish farms 6 day the week and I am diving about one hour and half. The seac propulsion I own are killing my legs!!! On summer I dive wetsuit and winter dry. Do you believe that they will be ok for my job? Do you think it will have duration through time? I am doing about 300 dives per year.
I am also looking the apex rk3. What is your opinion?
Thank you!
I could give my option but that does not matter as its your legs that need some comfort. Suggest visiting your local dive shop and if they have a pool or pool night, ask to try 2 or 3 candidate fins. Be scientific and do 2 slow finning only pool lengths. Rest and try another pair. Use the same kick style and stroke and by the end you should feel if one style is more comfortable than another. An alternate is to borrow different fin models and try at work for a day each. Hope this helps.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thank you for your answer.
Unfortunately there is no dive store around here. So I can not try.
I have to buy the fins...
So if you can suggest me I would appreciate it.
Thanks for your time. 😀
The Jetfin was first and sold as the Beuchat Tarzan Jetfin for only one year, 1964. I have a pair. The US Divers Rocket Fin was shortly after. The Rockets did not have tapered vents like the Jetfins so there was no "turbo effect". Scubapro bought the Jetfin design from the inventor Georges Beuchat in 1964. I wonder if I could sell my Tarzan Jetfins to a museum. I think they would still work but were always near impossible to adjust the footstraps. They are 56 years old! Myself I'm not a believer of putting, vents, splits, or holes of any sort in fins. It just doesn't make any intuitive sense to me, but I could be wrong.
Scuba fins are like women, all are beautiful but only one is a perfect match to you. Thanks for watching Kendall.
A.
I am still using the original Beuchat Tarzan Jetfins (full foot pocket). Made a few attempts/tries to replace them with anything available on the current market. No luck - no fins make me as comfortable under water as those old ones. However, yes, I absolutely agree that foot pocket could be improved during these almost sixty years.
Alec,
Do you have any thoughts on the Force Fin?
Does uncomfortable count? I have used force fin's for decades as they were the only fin's 'real' divers used in the 1960's and 1970's. Still made today but not as comfortable as my Sea Nova's on these old feet. Thanks for watching Judson.
I’m a size uk 8 us 10 what size scuba fins would you recommend for me 4:13
I don't know UK comparisons but their website should have a size guide. Also size guides are a starting point, fins are very important so comfort & fit are key to avoiding blisters. Visit your local dive shop with the boots you normally wear: maybe 5mm or 7mm, to test the fit. Watch my tips on fins 5. S11E05 "Fitting A Fin Properly". Hope this helps get you started.
A
Alec, why did us divers change to aqua lung? Where does the aqua lung brand stand in comparison with the top brands?
US Divers still exists. You will see it on a lot of their snorkelling gear, the stuff sold in Big Box stores (Walmart, etc).
The name 'Aqua-Lung' is very widely recognized and carries no negative connotations sometimes associated with the USA so it has been adopted as the "new" name for the company.
The name Aqua-Lung was owned by Air Liquide. Air Liquide was formed in 1902 by two French chaps who discovered, or at least produced, the first liquid air.
Emile Gagnon, the engineer and true inventor of the first scuba regulator, worked at Air Liquide and arranged for them to make the first ones to be used by himself and JYC in 1943. Air Liquide formed a company called Spirotechnique in France to manufacture their new scuba gear. Spirotechnique is now called Aqua Lung International.
Aqua-Lung, literally 'water lung', was a great name, easy to say and practically unforgettable.
The Aqua-Lung brand of gear was the first to be sold in North America, brought to the USA by Rene Buzzo (via Canada) through his new company called US Divers.
Aqua-Lung was one of the Big 5 scuba companies that dominated the sport in the 50s and 60s - Aqua-Lung, Voit, Healthways, Sportsways and Scubapro. These companies were so intertwined that most were started by former employees of the other four!!
The well-known Voit scuba gear was almost all produced by Aqua-Lung with slight changes in design to make it uniquely Voit. Parts for Voit regulators are identical to Aqua-Lung parts. Everyone knew everyone else and they cooperated (in public at least) with each other. They were all divers and often dived together along the CA coast.
Only Aqua-Lung and Scubapro remain and Aqua-Lung is now part of a large equity corporation. They make money - not scuba gear.
Aqua-Lung today sells a full line of gear and it is equal to anything else on the market. They are NOT the leaders in innovation and design as they were at one time. They do not manufacture most of their own products as they once did.
Nor does Aqua-Lung dominate the market as it once did but, partly because of that long-standing name recognition, Aqua-Lung continues to be a well-recognized brand.
There you go Richard - a long and complete answer.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
When diving in the UK with 7mm semi dry. I need the heavier fin along with ankle weights to help my trim. Otherwise I'll be upside down.
The single advantage to the old rubber fins - they are heavy.
Take care Nathan.
Di and I love the UK. Visited 4 times. My Dad was from Kent.
Take care.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter be sure to try and dive in my home town of Falmouth! Water is a bit cold but it's good diving!
scubapro did not invent the jetfin, it was invented by Georges Beuchat in France.
But I agree with you, the new scubapro fins are a great improvement, maibe the first really relevant in the past 60 years.
Thanks Gaspar.
I bought my Nova fins 3 years ago, because I kept on getting leg cramps, and I haven't gotten leg cramps since I bought the Nova fins.
Sounds like they are perfect for you.
Alec
I'll never use another fin.
Thanks so much Alec. I want to get some seawing nova fins but I'm not sure about the size. Should the foot pocket completely cover the foot?
For a comfortable fit, with your most common type of footwear boot, e.g. 7mm/5mm or beach shoe (lucky you), the foot will slide in until the top almost touches the leg. Suggest watching S11E05 Fitting A fin Properly to see where the top and bottom stop. Good luck and I know you will love them.