The enthusiasm is infectious if no one gets excited by seeing some one fall in love with a machine.. then they will never be able to stand and smell the roses in a garden.
Ah, the fleeting short lived love… …It only lasts until you see the price tag of the thing being the equivalent to ten years worth of your annual income.
So glad to finally show everyone the Nano from Tornos! If you liked the video then stay tuned for our next project! We are going to drill and bore a .008” (.2mm) hole on this thing!
Can’t wait, we do a lot of micro boring on our standard 2 and 5 axis lathes. Micro series 100 boring bars! Smallest bore we do is .100 with a .060 thou boring bar, but the tolerance is plus or minus 3 microns with no taper lol
I love how enthusiastic you are. It is tremendously obvious that you are doing something you are truly passionate about and I really love seeing people's eyes light up and their energy levels go up when they talk about their passion. It is a tremendous gift to be able to have your job and your passion be one and the same thing and it is a gift that is not given to many people. It makes life so much better. I know, because I'm also one of those lucky ones, though my expertise is not machining. Thanks for this great video, the topic was very interesting and the machine is incredible, but what has really made my day is seeing someone engage with their passion
This tiny stuff is seriously fascinating to me. The fact that a tool I can accidentally bend with my finger, can also cut steel with the right parameters is hard to wrap my head around. The Horn tooling is so dope.
9:50 someone on their team went "So we have a surface engraver for our parts. Let's label EVERYTHING." On other things, you'd be lucky if those numbers are in the manual, that no one reads. These guys instead went and used surface marking for the best thing ever: putting the 'instructions' ON the thing itself. They /really/ went above and beyond on that end. Absolutely love it.
When I think of the years I spent handwriting code for CNC screw machines! And then punching tape on an old Flex-O-Writer...... Feeding it into the machine's memory, stepping through the program, debugging, making an updated tape........sheesh! This machine is a dream!!!
Been making tiny intricate parts on a citizen swiss machine for the last ten years. With 1/8 stock i make a 2 inch long .070 dia screw with a 1/64 thread and a slotted 1/8 head. When i first started i was stunned by this part. I knew nothing about swiss machines at the time. Now im a self taught cnc machinist/programmer. In charge of 3 citizen swiss machines and a normal citzen/miyano cnc lathe. Also am in love with the new horn tool holders with the front facing set screw, have the new holders coming any day now, maybe today. Horn not only makes tiny accurate tools, they are also insanely durable.
Stoked to see some micro swiss love on the channel! Been running an L20 with b axis capability for about 4.5 years now. Loving all the tiny tools that come in and I look at and go no way this works. Cutting Ti and making grooves with a .007" wide tool for about 10k parts is bonkers. I do with the live tools on this thing had more ooomph though haha. Ill Have to look into Horn, weve been using Gen Swiss for our stuff and have had really good luck so far!
Really cool seeing this machine in action! It’s crazy how small those parts are and how nice of a thread you got on them That vacuum part catcher is so cool, I wish we had that back in the day instead of having to hunt in the chip bin for missing parts when we had orders of 1000+ of tiny parts 😂
It’s crazy seeing such a massive machine make such tiny parts, and the parts try is adorable lol as a hobby machinist and horologist i and almost exclusively working with very very small parts and most of my machines are dedicated to producing and machine tiny things like screws, gears and watch components, it’s truly such a completely different ball game when you have to machine such tiny parts and in doing so they have to be made with insane tolerances to fit and function properly so, again it blows me away seeing this absolutely massive machine accurately produce such small parts, just amazing
Great video Donnie. You have a great ability to communicate technical knowledge in an interesting way. How do you figure out if the pressure to cut threads on a micro part would be too much stress and fold the part over. Are there calculations available already to figure that out?
What a wild machine. One question as far as that specific flat head screw is concerned; why the standard slot and not a phillips or torx-style? I don't understand why slotted it flat head style screws are even made anymore considering the far superior styles that are being used.
A lot of Watch screws are just flat head like the one in the video. I’m sure eventually I’ll try to make the worlds smallest torx (thanks for the video idea) but when I look at all the watches I have here they use flat head. Probably due to how little torque is needed for watch parts
I was making a 30+ mm long M5 bolts on Doosan Puma 280LM this month. Doing something so small and so long is pretty much a tricky thing. Was forced to divide processing of 5x30 segment into three separate parts, and there was still a need for countercone. Also, we had to buy some good thread cutting dies, cuz thread insert will just simply bend the bar. Small parts are just a pain in ass sometimes. I'm just curious, if this kind of part is somehow easier on a swiss machine. Also, 12mm hexagon bar was used, not a round bar.
Typically longer turned parts are easier, but like he said, you can only retract as far as your guide bushing bearing surfaces are and maintain support of the material. Can get tricky.
It’s pretty cool. I run citizens at our shop. There’s not to much you can’t do on one of them. I guess I’m partial to them because I’ve been running them for 18. + years. Citizen live tool stick out .591 further than the stick tools so supporting the stock isn’t a problem. Anyway nice machine and great content
Could you show us how you program the tool paths, do you have to type G code in line by line or is there a conversational way to do this? Does it show you simulations and things? What about live tooling and threading etc? Also can those live tools do rigid tapping?
I've never run one of these but I run Tsugami swiss machines at work. They also have a FANUC control. There is no conversational programming interface. I actually don't know what CAD/CAM they use at work. I think its Mastercam. The Tsugami machines do have canned cycles that you can use without having to use CAM software to draw a part and generate G-code, but its for simple stuff. We don't use any canned cycles though. Our parts are complicated firearm components. Its mainly production work with some prototyping thrown in. We have done rigid tapping for very small threads but we mainly use thread mills for I.D. and threading inserts for O.D.
@@SirRapTureGames it's just doesn't the citizen version of this software have all sorts of routines you can program conversationally? Like mazatrol. Select a unit, enter your values and it etch a sketches it out for you
Nice tech and well presented. 👍 Funnily enough it reminds me of the old peg board collet lathes that made brass fittings back in the day . Would love to find one clean it up and get it running. 😵💫
I would like to see you make a screw 1,5mm length and 0,3mm diameter with a thread. As a watchmaker I do this on a lathe and would like to see the tornos quality on a screw this size
Why do you end up needing to write direct g-code in the first place? Is g-code faster than UI based WYSIWYG programming for the line of work this machine is made for?
The STAR swiss machine has something similar. so instead of using packing on each cutting tool to create an offset, the entire turret is capable of moving in Z to allow for an offset. ruclips.net/video/fzA8vdHCkx4/видео.html @0:25 you see a labelled diagram of it's axis
Making screws with this machine is just a "Hello World" of micro CNC-ing, right? Surely it doesn't make any financial sense to make $0.02 screws with a $200,000+ machine? 😆
The enthusiasm is infectious if no one gets excited by seeing some one fall in love with a machine.. then they will never be able to stand and smell the roses in a garden.
😂 for real!
It's funny, especially that from CNC operator salary he can barely afford own flat or house
Ah, the fleeting short lived love…
…It only lasts until you see the price tag of the thing being the equivalent to ten years worth of your annual income.
So glad to finally show everyone the Nano from Tornos! If you liked the video then stay tuned for our next project! We are going to drill and bore a .008” (.2mm) hole on this thing!
Smol!
Great video Donnie! Looking forward to next video! Game changer! - Ben
Can’t wait, we do a lot of micro boring on our standard 2 and 5 axis lathes. Micro series 100 boring bars! Smallest bore we do is .100 with a .060 thou boring bar, but the tolerance is plus or minus 3 microns with no taper lol
Its also impressive to see how much you improved your presentation skills.
I love how enthusiastic you are. It is tremendously obvious that you are doing something you are truly passionate about and I really love seeing people's eyes light up and their energy levels go up when they talk about their passion. It is a tremendous gift to be able to have your job and your passion be one and the same thing and it is a gift that is not given to many people. It makes life so much better. I know, because I'm also one of those lucky ones, though my expertise is not machining. Thanks for this great video, the topic was very interesting and the machine is incredible, but what has really made my day is seeing someone engage with their passion
This tiny stuff is seriously fascinating to me. The fact that a tool I can accidentally bend with my finger, can also cut steel with the right parameters is hard to wrap my head around. The Horn tooling is so dope.
This guy was born to be on camera. Enthusiastic, professional and comical every time. The machine is impressive too.
It's really great that you guys make videos because it gives regular people like me an insight into the machining world.
Tornos + TISIS + Titans of CNC = 💯
9:50 someone on their team went "So we have a surface engraver for our parts. Let's label EVERYTHING."
On other things, you'd be lucky if those numbers are in the manual, that no one reads.
These guys instead went and used surface marking for the best thing ever: putting the 'instructions' ON the thing itself.
They /really/ went above and beyond on that end. Absolutely love it.
Excellent video Donnie! (per usual) PhHorn was the go-to for small tool applications; boring bars, I.D grooving, etc. ✅
Cool to see something so tiny being made, using a vacuum for the part retrieval is genius!
One of the best CNC videos i have ever seen. Appreciate the enthusiasm and explanations Donnie. Kudos
When I think of the years I spent handwriting code for CNC screw machines! And then punching tape on an old Flex-O-Writer...... Feeding it into the machine's memory, stepping through the program, debugging, making an updated tape........sheesh! This machine is a dream!!!
Great explanations Donnie. That is super cool that you can adjust the live tools as needed. I've never seen that before
Been making tiny intricate parts on a citizen swiss machine for the last ten years.
With 1/8 stock i make a 2 inch long .070 dia screw with a 1/64 thread and a slotted 1/8 head.
When i first started i was stunned by this part. I knew nothing about swiss machines at the time.
Now im a self taught cnc machinist/programmer. In charge of 3 citizen swiss machines and a normal citzen/miyano cnc lathe.
Also am in love with the new horn tool holders with the front facing set screw, have the new holders coming any day now, maybe today. Horn not only makes tiny accurate tools, they are also insanely durable.
Great video Donnie. Lots of great features in such a small machine! Looking forward to seeing more TINY parts!😎
Donnie is the polar opposite of Rodney Dangerfield: he gets all the respect! Swiss Machining will never not blow my mind!
Stoked to see some micro swiss love on the channel! Been running an L20 with b axis capability for about 4.5 years now. Loving all the tiny tools that come in and I look at and go no way this works. Cutting Ti and making grooves with a .007" wide tool for about 10k parts is bonkers. I do with the live tools on this thing had more ooomph though haha. Ill Have to look into Horn, weve been using Gen Swiss for our stuff and have had really good luck so far!
Man, so much good locking Footage❤ Big Props for the Camera ! I cant imagen how much pain in the a** was to get these shots😮
Awesome machines. Love that threading operation, pretty sick. Much love and gratitude 💥
Amazing shots on the NANO!!!
Always a good watch Donnie!
Thanks ma!
Really cool seeing this machine in action! It’s crazy how small those parts are and how nice of a thread you got on them
That vacuum part catcher is so cool, I wish we had that back in the day instead of having to hunt in the chip bin for missing parts when we had orders of 1000+ of tiny parts 😂
It’s crazy seeing such a massive machine make such tiny parts, and the parts try is adorable lol as a hobby machinist and horologist i and almost exclusively working with very very small parts and most of my machines are dedicated to producing and machine tiny things like screws, gears and watch components, it’s truly such a completely different ball game when you have to machine such tiny parts and in doing so they have to be made with insane tolerances to fit and function properly so, again it blows me away seeing this absolutely massive machine accurately produce such small parts, just amazing
What's crazy is that of all the big brands that make machines, that particular "massive machine" is the smallest on the market.
Great video!
Great Job Donnie! Another Awesome Video!
I have seven years experience in swiss machining. It is very cool place to work. India🇮🇳
Are you from India??
Great. And how details for watches are made, use the same machine or smaller?
PH Horn is the go to in our shop for hard internal turning
Great video Donnie. You have a great ability to communicate technical knowledge in an interesting way. How do you figure out if the pressure to cut threads on a micro part would be too much stress and fold the part over. Are there calculations available already to figure that out?
Loving these small parts video’s!
That whole system is really cool. Sign me up for the small tool club, No jokes Jessie! LOL
Could you please make another video explaining what blending is and elaborate on what you were saying about the guide bushing depth at ~ 5:50.
What a wild machine. One question as far as that specific flat head screw is concerned; why the standard slot and not a phillips or torx-style? I don't understand why slotted it flat head style screws are even made anymore considering the far superior styles that are being used.
A lot of Watch screws are just flat head like the one in the video. I’m sure eventually I’ll try to make the worlds smallest torx (thanks for the video idea) but when I look at all the watches I have here they use flat head. Probably due to how little torque is needed for watch parts
@@donniehinske Touche good sir touche. Watch parts excluded then, why in the hell are they still being made/used?
@@FiglioBastardo Well I am sure cost has to do with it. Also works fine for house hold stuff. Anything else tho is probably a hex or hexalobe
I agree, awesome video Donnie! 💪
Fabulous machining.
I was making a 30+ mm long M5 bolts on Doosan Puma 280LM this month. Doing something so small and so long is pretty much a tricky thing. Was forced to divide processing of 5x30 segment into three separate parts, and there was still a need for countercone. Also, we had to buy some good thread cutting dies, cuz thread insert will just simply bend the bar. Small parts are just a pain in ass sometimes. I'm just curious, if this kind of part is somehow easier on a swiss machine. Also, 12mm hexagon bar was used, not a round bar.
Yes it does, have made parts that were 250mm long and 4mm diameter on our swiss machine
Typically longer turned parts are easier, but like he said, you can only retract as far as your guide bushing bearing surfaces are and maintain support of the material. Can get tricky.
Парни, это восторг, несите видео про турбо скорее!
Will do!
It’s pretty cool. I run citizens at our shop. There’s not to much you can’t do on one of them. I guess I’m partial to them because I’ve been running them for 18. + years. Citizen live tool stick out .591 further than the stick tools so supporting the stock isn’t a problem. Anyway nice machine and great content
Donnie is the man if he can’t do it no one can. 🎉👊
Amazing man. So Interesting and very Cool to watch.
Could you show us how you program the tool paths, do you have to type G code in line by line or is there a conversational way to do this? Does it show you simulations and things? What about live tooling and threading etc? Also can those live tools do rigid tapping?
I've never run one of these but I run Tsugami swiss machines at work. They also have a FANUC control. There is no conversational programming interface. I actually don't know what CAD/CAM they use at work. I think its Mastercam.
The Tsugami machines do have canned cycles that you can use without having to use CAM software to draw a part and generate G-code, but its for simple stuff. We don't use any canned cycles though. Our parts are complicated firearm components. Its mainly production work with some prototyping thrown in.
We have done rigid tapping for very small threads but we mainly use thread mills for I.D. and threading inserts for O.D.
TITANS is a Mastercam shop. I am not in that area of the industry, but look into the capabilities of Mastercam to have your questions answered.
@@SirRapTureGames it's just doesn't the citizen version of this software have all sorts of routines you can program conversationally? Like mazatrol. Select a unit, enter your values and it etch a sketches it out for you
Nice tech and well presented. 👍
Funnily enough it reminds me of the old peg board collet lathes that made brass fittings back in the day . Would love to find one clean it up and get it running. 😵💫
Cool video man! Y'all should thank Donnie. He must have came into inspection 100 times fine tuning that little screw.
Great explanation!
Thank you for including metrics
Donnie is next level 🤘
I am making a similar screw but it's 11" long. It takes 2 regrips. And is ejected through the long workpiece ejector using the high pressure oil.
That was beautiful...
Can this nano CNC work like a wire bending tool? Like to make tiny springs and such?
I would like to see you make a screw 1,5mm length and 0,3mm diameter with a thread. As a watchmaker I do this on a lathe and would like to see the tornos quality on a screw this size
That’s a great idea! I didn’t want to go as small as possible right out of the gate but I plan on doing that in the future.
Can you say custom watch band screws?
I would be worried about delicate parts getting damaged in that vacuum catcher. Would love to get some better angles of that system.
Hi titans ❤
This guy is so pumped for this machine. Not sure he could handle a Citizen machine.
I used to work a sligly bigger macine were the main spindle was on the rigt and the sup on the left
Its was fun like a lot
What numbers is on the side of that horn boring bar ? ( there is a good chance that I have probably used that model before )
I'm from India 👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌
Hey my mom is a machinist and this is her comment...
I this case they are behind the times, I was doing all of that, 15 - 20 years ago.
Swiss Quality!!😊
Muito bom ! Parabéns.
Wildly regret choosing 316😅
Who produces these Servos with such speeds would like to buy get one..
Dang got Fanuc Interface for it welcome to a ancient control.
I have a job coming up where I have to do a M.8x.2 OD thread in titanium. That should be fun.
how counter spindle grab thread and dont smash it ?
Tornos have been doing this for years. I think the only real difference between the nano and the old Decos, it the computer.
This part is made of 316 SS, I wildly regret choosing this material. 😂😂😂😂
how do they transport the tiny 3.2 mm bars ?
i guess the same way they transport bigger ones
I'm picturing really small trucks carrying them. lmao
😂😂😂@@davecox8922
I gotta know. What does a loaded Nano and bar-feeder even go for?
I had no idea that the bar would get shorter as you made parts
Is it possible to CNC a Kolibri?
ok, but is anything actually nano otherthan the name? like even the tolarances?
Why do you end up needing to write direct g-code in the first place? Is g-code faster than UI based WYSIWYG programming for the line of work this machine is made for?
No problem for a 00 utramatic just did a 00-80 with a die head with slot
What is the cost of this machine
I need a 30+ minute video on how watch parts and their tiny screws are made...
Woow, that's small! 😮
how about true nano = 2mm bar stock.
SO WHAT IS THE THREAD SIZE ...? ? ? 10-32 , 8-32, 6-32.... ? ? ? GARY ...!!!!!
Yeah, but how much do they set you back? Help us out since we'd have to pull teeth to get a quote out of these companies
The STAR swiss machine has something similar. so instead of using packing on each cutting tool to create an offset, the entire turret is capable of moving in Z to allow for an offset.
ruclips.net/video/fzA8vdHCkx4/видео.html @0:25 you see a labelled diagram of it's axis
This machine may be useful for amateurs who do not care about mass production.
Желательно 5 осевой, но и 3 сойдёт
Can anyone provide a rough estimate the Nano costs? I have an email out to the sale team.
Tornos Nano is 400k. Tornos DT is 158k with bar feeder and b axis.
Why doesn't the machine auto-sense the toolholder? That wouldn't be hard to do these days.
Hate flat tip screws.
It´s Swiss, what do You expect?
The TMI SCREEN? Tornos!! Sheesh, don't say that. It's TMI
Honestly, as someone whos made jewlery, the screw in the thumbnail is pretty f'n big lol
Are Rolex watches made on this machine? Is the entire watch made by a robot?
I don't see any micro parts. Such as a watch screw
I have tools that are 100x the size of your stock LOL
"Here's your $500 tiny screw."
Dubleveck
Though you said micro? Let's see some watchmaker parts, now that is small
Medical components can get even SMALLER
Woooo
now make a watch lol
i honestly just want American manufacturing to be great again
You'll impress me when you show me watch screw like 3/10 of a millimetre
🤓
Making screws with this machine is just a "Hello World" of micro CNC-ing, right? Surely it doesn't make any financial sense to make $0.02 screws with a $200,000+ machine? 😆
I feel like he lost some weight.
30lbs since January!