Remember to use a scope to check fibre as just relying the fibre cleaners alone is not best practice. Great to see a good install and in particular using torque spanner, nice work.
not enough time. click clean fibre, green light, done. VM need to give more time if they want it scoped too. Fibre ferrules can have both minor damage, be extremely dirty and still work flawlessly with no UCERs at the CPE. It is of course wise to clean any fibre termination but scoping it is a waste of time and is only used in fault finding.
What I can't work out is why they use coaxial for the last mile, when they could use ethernet (which can do up to 10Gbps) or just run the fibre cable all the way to the customers apartment and use an ONT.
The reason is, all the services will run on that fibre, and when you need to split the signal from the ONU (ONU is the unit that convert from fibre to coaxial) to the Router, and to a TV Box, and to a second TV Box, is much more safer, and to be honest much more cheaper to do the work. And they don't have TV Box with fibre input.
@@lewisnorth1188 Then pay more and upgrade to a faster package and the upload will increase. 100mb is not enough bandwidth anyway for "multiple people" it's VM's poverty package.
fiber within 100m to the customer is very minute differece (infact you would need electronic equipment to verify the difference of 1 or 2 ms)...RFOG in this case is to relay both TV and data more cheaply...
Any fibre has to go through a conversion at some point. This is no different. It's still fibre, and there are many types, it's in no way 'wrong'. They're using RFoG to ensure it's compatible with their systems so that they don't have to adopt a whole other way of organising their network in terms of hardware/software. It's not going to limit them when providing speeds in the future, for example with full-duplex DOCSIS 3.1 Are you telling me you're not going to be happy with 10Gb synchronous in the future? Lol
and they fool people that they are providing fiber connections as they fooled me but when tech came to install it was cooper installation. i was very disappointed.
Why use coax when Cat6 cable would deliver up to 10gig data transfer between ONT and Modem. I'm amused with a 100meg down load and 6meg upload readings on fibre. Here in New Zealand that is a good VDSL speed. Common basic Fibre Speed packages in NZ are now 300meg down and 100meg up. A lot of home connections are also now taking the Gig packages available of up to 1000meg down and up to 500meg upload.
What they heck kinda crap is that where you have to add a 4 way to drop the signal because it’s to hot off the ONU?? I work for att and ours are called ont s one fiber plugged into it a reg power cord no coax adapter and a cat 6 from ont to modem. No coax crap. Also what is up with only 6 meg upload??? It’s fiber you can easily get 100 up and 100 down. My speed tests if they get 100 is 100 down and like 120 up haha
That is virgin media in the uk. When i was connected I had 50mb download and 2mb upload. Thats how they do business, and thats the reason I switched to other isp and got 38download and 20 upload straight away. It was in 2015 though
the reason it's hot off the ONU is because if the customer upgrades to more CPE in the future then the splitter is already there for it and the levels will be good not requiring any further signal adjustments. isn't that obvious? the download is faster than subscribed and the upload is low as that is what the virgin network deem to be suitable for most customers. if you need a fast upload then upgrade to a faster package or choose someone else. simple. it's competitively priced
@@RUclipsSupportTeams this isn't a GPON system and most of VM's FTTP build uses RFoG. To be fair to VM they do supply TV across some of that spectrum space and also have to keep things simple for the customer with packages. It will be interesting to see how they handle the upstream in the near future as this is probably one of the hardest things for any cable supplier no matter where they are in the world.
@@RUclipsSupportTeams If your ISP is offering slow connection speeds, you don`t have any. But if you need or want to have high upload speeds through coax cable, then you have issues and you end-up regretting you didn`t went with fiber all the way. If you don`t know the limits of technologies, google can be your friend. :)
@@trollobite1629 yet again my initial question: why switch to coax when you have deployed fiber? Even with superior speeds of DOCSIS 4 you are still limited. you do realize that XGSPON has symmetrical 10Gbps with low latency, right? More than that, GPON and XGSPON can coexist on the same fiber as well as another optical wave length for TV streaming if needed. Why complicate the architecture?
@@cristioglice *"...why switch to coax..."* It's not a switch because it's predominantly an HFC network with a 100% RF type of CPE hanging off of it. *"...DOCSIS 4 still limited..."* Firstly, from a user's perspective both services are so fast you probably wouldn't be able to tell if you were using XGSPON or D4.1. Or more simply stated D4.1 is more than capable of competing with fibre but whether ISPs ought to or not is s different discussion. *"...on the same fibre..."* Yeah but that's nothing new and pretty much the definition of CWDM and DWDM. It's how the entire backbone for Transmode and SDH networks work. The different services are wrapped into containers then aggregated up onto a single fibre. *"...why complicate the architecture..."* Either you're view is purely from a theoretical topology or you're working on a network that is a new build and been purpose built because existing networks already have *VERY COMPLICATED* architectures. Pre-existing networks are fraught with technological challenges which will cost vast sums of money to change. These problems are the concomitants of many companies merging over the years and integrating legacy equipment with pre-existing infrastructure. Furthermore, these older networks have fibre spans that have been in the ground 30 years plus which are not capable of passing particular bands of frequencies. At the end of the day, corporate decisions are nearly always driven by the cost of incorporating emerging technologies into existing infrastructure with seemingly bizarre results.
So the equipment gets left loose on the floor gathering dust and getting knocked by the Dyson?!?!? Not neat install. Perhaps a tv stand or furniture gets put back which houses it all.
@@user-kz9ij2ow4h what? I meant that the reason I switched from virgin media to any other isp is because of upload rate that is too slow with virgin. Most of the time you get 2mb, while download is 50. That was a couple of years ago though.
@@portman8909 Netflix uses downstream data not Upload lol. The only upstream data is to select what title you want to watch so upstream is totally negligible
When I worked in CATV I always wore my hard hat. Here in the US the dmarc box is usually put next to the power meter. Stand up once and crack your head in the corner of the meter and you will become a fan of hard hats. I did plant extensions and pre-installs (similar to what you see here) so I never dealt with customers. Half the time the house was still under construction or just been completed when I was there anyway. Plus my full brim hard hat kept the rain off and kept the sun from burning my neck.
It is FTTP by definition, fiber to the premises. Even GPON isn't great - Point-to-point ethernet like B4RN etc use is where it's at. Loved the use of an f-type torque wrench.
@@kieranscott3963 I was replying to Scott Smiths response which was incorrect, as the main question was for FTTC not FTTP. For Coax the upstream return DB is 33-51. Im an engineer for the company so i know what I’m on about 🤣
interesting , actually huawei has a similar product called a pizzabox it can be deployed in Multi tenant dwellings whereby one core of fiber would supply the entire complex....also you guys complaining about copper...copper has a very small difference to fiber when used within a distance of 100m to the customer,, infact it can provide up to 10Gbps service in the shortrun, also Virgin may be leveraging headend equipment tht may be very expensive to replace only to make you happy that u are receiving connectivity using an ONT/ONU instead of a Docsis modem.. for little or no difference to the outcome
abcde the difference that i see is symmetricality, the upload speeds being lower but docsis can easily achieve 300mbps for download but upload would be tricky
@@pwhittak88 Dosn't matter. DOCIS 3.1 and 4 can deliever 10GB. All that's needed is faster superhub and coax is very economical to terminate and route. If you get the speed, what the fuk difference does it make? Would you cry if you connection was an ethernet cable? though the wall?
Paul, playing Devils advocate, how is this significantly different to the BT FTTP product installed in the same property (!!) which you have to plug your router in via copper too? At what point do you say it's not fibre. In fairness, there is a fibre landing in the property. If the RFOG converter was integrated into the router, would that meet your requirements? Not starting to discuss Virgin's seemingly horribly unreliable network.
Nik :/ because not everywhere is covered by BT. My parents are only guaranteed 0.5 mbs by open reach, but 500 mbs by Virgin. Also IMO Virgins customer service is an order of magnitude better then BT
@@invoke4485 This setup is called RFOG (Radio Frequency Over Glass) which is DOCSIS over fibre. The ONU unit is the same as a node in a traditional HFC setup, but for individual units.
@@igeekone Okay RFOG is new to me so does it not have the same benefits as optical fiber i.e. the near-unlimited room for bandwidth (you can get over 2Tbps per fiber atm) or is it ham-stringed by the DOCSIS components I mean we are on DOCSIS 3 atm which can do 1.2Gbits down and 200Mbits up. Yet I'm stuck with a max of 500Mbps (for a ridiculous price you can get 1Gb from fiber-optic ISP for about £50 and that's up and down). Virgin media and every other ISP know that the download speed is fine at the 300+ range but have so little upload in an era where cloud storage is a massive thing is just stupid.
Remember to use a scope to check fibre as just relying the fibre cleaners alone is not best practice.
Great to see a good install and in particular using torque spanner, nice work.
not enough time. click clean fibre, green light, done. VM need to give more time if they want it scoped too. Fibre ferrules can have both minor damage, be extremely dirty and still work flawlessly with no UCERs at the CPE. It is of course wise to clean any fibre termination but scoping it is a waste of time and is only used in fault finding.
What I can't work out is why they use coaxial for the last mile, when they could use ethernet (which can do up to 10Gbps) or just run the fibre cable all the way to the customers apartment and use an ONT.
Very good point, it seems like a BT thing to do.
The reason is, all the services will run on that fibre, and when you need to split the signal from the ONU (ONU is the unit that convert from fibre to coaxial) to the Router, and to a TV Box, and to a second TV Box, is much more safer, and to be honest much more cheaper to do the work. And they don't have TV Box with fibre input.
@@nelfurdui exactly this and it makes absolutely no difference about the coax as coax can handle well over 1 gig.
@@RUclipsSupportTeams Where is that 1gig upload for coax?
They are just reusing modems and provisioning from their coax to the flat Network.
I like how everything snaps together. Nice clean work. Installer knows what he is doing too!
6Mbps fiber! Wow such speed.
@Ian McGuire 6mb upload was enough 15 years ago, not today, especially if you have multiple people using the same connection
@@lewisnorth1188 Then pay more and upgrade to a faster package and the upload will increase. 100mb is not enough bandwidth anyway for "multiple people" it's VM's poverty package.
Great video. Interesting to see how virgin do it compared to openreach.
Shame virgin are not using fibre modems either. Not a fibre optic connection. Still docsis coax. Shame :(
fiber within 100m to the customer is very minute differece (infact you would need electronic equipment to verify the difference of 1 or 2 ms)...RFOG in this case is to relay both TV and data more cheaply...
Any fibre has to go through a conversion at some point. This is no different. It's still fibre, and there are many types, it's in no way 'wrong'.
They're using RFoG to ensure it's compatible with their systems so that they don't have to adopt a whole other way of organising their network in terms of hardware/software.
It's not going to limit them when providing speeds in the future, for example with full-duplex DOCSIS 3.1
Are you telling me you're not going to be happy with 10Gb synchronous in the future? Lol
No fibre connector in your laptop too, shame...
Whatever the fak that means
and they fool people that they are providing fiber connections as they fooled me but when tech came to install it was cooper installation. i was very disappointed.
Lovely to see the proper BT ONT unit next to it, delivering proper FTTH rather than this worthless coax drop wire.
Even better when someone thinks they know what they are talking about but don't. 🤣
Lovely fibre but they connect it to a turd ! (super hub 3.0)
New build with fibre to the apartment but no CAT6 cabling inside the apartment - pretty stupid.
Why use coax when Cat6 cable would deliver up to 10gig data transfer between ONT and Modem. I'm amused with a 100meg down load and 6meg upload readings on fibre. Here in New Zealand that is a good VDSL speed. Common basic Fibre Speed packages in NZ are now 300meg down and 100meg up. A lot of home connections are also now taking the Gig packages available of up to 1000meg down and up to 500meg upload.
😍. What a coincidence I am working on a similar video compilation soon , posting soon 😚😘
What they heck kinda crap is that where you have to add a 4 way to drop the signal because it’s to hot off the ONU?? I work for att and ours are called ont s one fiber plugged into it a reg power cord no coax adapter and a cat 6 from ont to modem. No coax crap. Also what is up with only 6 meg upload??? It’s fiber you can easily get 100 up and 100 down. My speed tests if they get 100 is 100 down and like 120 up haha
That is virgin media in the uk. When i was connected I had 50mb download and 2mb upload. Thats how they do business, and thats the reason I switched to other isp and got 38download and 20 upload straight away. It was in 2015 though
the reason it's hot off the ONU is because if the customer upgrades to more CPE in the future then the splitter is already there for it and the levels will be good not requiring any further signal adjustments. isn't that obvious? the download is faster than subscribed and the upload is low as that is what the virgin network deem to be suitable for most customers. if you need a fast upload then upgrade to a faster package or choose someone else. simple. it's competitively priced
@@RUclipsSupportTeams this isn't a GPON system and most of VM's FTTP build uses RFoG. To be fair to VM they do supply TV across some of that spectrum space and also have to keep things simple for the customer with packages. It will be interesting to see how they handle the upstream in the near future as this is probably one of the hardest things for any cable supplier no matter where they are in the world.
Nice thanks for the video 👍🏻
Why on earth would you get Virgin in that property when there is an Openreach Fibre ONT on the right for faster speeds?
price
@@RUclipsSupportTeams Bt are offering 900Mbit for £60 right now, they are aggressively pricing to compete with Virgin.
@@RUclipsSupportTeams I used to have Virgin's 100mbps service. Cost me 50 quid a month. I'm on bt FTTP on 150mbps and I'm paying 40.
@@VarissNI prices change
Still waiting on FTTP to come to my town. What's taking so long?
how tf does internet go down a glass tube the size of a hair lol
All that effort to run the fiber ... just to end-up in coax cable. :(
what's the problem exactly? please do enlighten us with your armchair technical response
@@RUclipsSupportTeams If your ISP is offering slow connection speeds, you don`t have any.
But if you need or want to have high upload speeds through coax cable, then you have issues and you end-up regretting you didn`t went with fiber all the way.
If you don`t know the limits of technologies, google can be your friend. :)
@@cristioglice Yes Google can be your friend but it seems as though you missed the part about DOCSIS 4 specs at 10/6 Gbs over an HFC network
@@trollobite1629 yet again my initial question: why switch to coax when you have deployed fiber? Even with superior speeds of DOCSIS 4 you are still limited. you do realize that XGSPON has symmetrical 10Gbps with low latency, right? More than that, GPON and XGSPON can coexist on the same fiber as well as another optical wave length for TV streaming if needed.
Why complicate the architecture?
@@cristioglice *"...why switch to coax..."*
It's not a switch because it's predominantly an HFC network with a 100% RF type of CPE hanging off of it.
*"...DOCSIS 4 still limited..."*
Firstly, from a user's perspective both services are so fast you probably wouldn't be able to tell if you were using XGSPON or D4.1. Or more simply stated D4.1 is more than capable of competing with fibre but whether ISPs ought to or not is s different discussion.
*"...on the same fibre..."*
Yeah but that's nothing new and pretty much the definition of CWDM and DWDM. It's how the entire backbone for Transmode and SDH networks work. The different services are wrapped into containers then aggregated up onto a single fibre.
*"...why complicate the architecture..."*
Either you're view is purely from a theoretical topology or you're working on a network that is a new build and been purpose built because existing networks already have *VERY COMPLICATED* architectures.
Pre-existing networks are fraught with technological challenges which will cost vast sums of money to change. These problems are the concomitants of many companies merging over the years and integrating legacy equipment with pre-existing infrastructure. Furthermore, these older networks have fibre spans that have been in the ground 30 years plus which are not capable of passing particular bands of frequencies.
At the end of the day, corporate decisions are nearly always driven by the cost of incorporating emerging technologies into existing infrastructure with seemingly bizarre results.
So the equipment gets left loose on the floor gathering dust and getting knocked by the Dyson?!?!? Not neat install. Perhaps a tv stand or furniture gets put back which houses it all.
so that was a pointless comment then yeah?
6mb upload is the reason why I don't use virgin
Tablet Sam it work tho don’t it
@@user-kz9ij2ow4h what? I meant that the reason I switched from virgin media to any other isp is because of upload rate that is too slow with virgin. Most of the time you get 2mb, while download is 50. That was a couple of years ago though.
@@tabletsam9505 upgrade to faster package if you want to live stream. your package is too low for your requirements.
@@RUclipsSupportTeams Netflix requires 1 mb upload minimum. Now add a family to the mix. Not enough.
@@portman8909 Netflix uses downstream data not Upload lol. The only upstream data is to select what title you want to watch so upstream is totally negligible
Got the Gig1 package, Virgin where i am is the best.
Yeah fast download but pretty poor upload speed!!!!!
whats with the hard hat?
Any work site in the UK requires a hardhat
When I worked in CATV I always wore my hard hat. Here in the US the dmarc box is usually put next to the power meter. Stand up once and crack your head in the corner of the meter and you will become a fan of hard hats. I did plant extensions and pre-installs (similar to what you see here) so I never dealt with customers. Half the time the house was still under construction or just been completed when I was there anyway. Plus my full brim hard hat kept the rain off and kept the sun from burning my neck.
Carlos Gonzales to make them look like there doing it professionally, to make them look good. when they did mine they had nothing on whatsoever
@@compspud this is completed residential though, not a construction site
There is no FTTH service...not real GPON...
It is FTTP by definition, fiber to the premises. Even GPON isn't great - Point-to-point ethernet like B4RN etc use is where it's at.
Loved the use of an f-type torque wrench.
What's the target dB reading for device signal, in the standard FTTC coax to the home installation?? 🤔
Exactly the same, -6 to plus 10db. Upstream power is between 33db and 51db
The DS is the same the US return is 31 to 47
@@scottsmith2173 33 - 51 db for US
@@EpicXProtocol incorrect.
it’s fibre so the upstream is actually 27db-45db.
Coax is 33db-51db
@@kieranscott3963 I was replying to Scott Smiths response which was incorrect, as the main question was for FTTC not FTTP. For Coax the upstream return DB is 33-51. Im an engineer for the company so i know what I’m on about 🤣
interesting , actually huawei has a similar product called a pizzabox it can be deployed in Multi tenant dwellings whereby one core of fiber would supply the entire complex....also you guys complaining about copper...copper has a very small difference to fiber when used within a distance of 100m to the customer,, infact it can provide up to 10Gbps service in the shortrun, also Virgin may be leveraging headend equipment tht may be very expensive to replace only to make you happy that u are receiving connectivity using an ONT/ONU instead of a Docsis modem.. for little or no difference to the outcome
Anderson Pyaban I don’t dispute this, their advertising of true fibre broadband with a fibre optic modem is false
abcde the difference that i see is symmetricality, the upload speeds being lower but docsis can easily achieve 300mbps for download but upload would be tricky
7:42 Using a 4way splitter because using an attenuator would be too difficult? 🙄
i wouldn't lose sleep over it
@@RUclipsSupportTeams I wasn't, but thanks for replying to a 3 month old comment...
@@sarahjrandomnumbers what matters if it's 3 months old!? i seen it yesterday lol
@@RUclipsSupportTeams I'm replying 2 years later as I've also just seen the comment lol.🤣🤣🤣
I'm getting better speeds on a 38 year old copper cable! I'm at 110/40 now.
Why RFoG and not GPON ?
This isn't real FTTP. I have fibre in my home. If your using copper coaxial then how is it any better than FTTC?
@daro2096 still not FTTP. That's my point.
@daro2096 wanting to spend more doesn't turn FTTC into FTTP. It's FTTP or it isn't.
@@pwhittak88 Dosn't matter. DOCIS 3.1 and 4 can deliever 10GB. All that's needed is faster superhub and coax is very economical to terminate and route. If you get the speed, what the fuk difference does it make? Would you cry if you connection was an ethernet cable? though the wall?
its Fibre to the PREMISES it's at the premises the last few meters means very little over all. You would never know the difference.
Paul, playing Devils advocate, how is this significantly different to the BT FTTP product installed in the same property (!!) which you have to plug your router in via copper too?
At what point do you say it's not fibre. In fairness, there is a fibre landing in the property. If the RFOG converter was integrated into the router, would that meet your requirements?
Not starting to discuss Virgin's seemingly horribly unreliable network.
So its not true fttp because from the junction box to the router its coaxial copper cable ? True fibre to the premises is fibre to the router!
6mbps on fiber, what a joke
What's the point in getting Virgin if there is a ONT there which can easily supply a 300/50 connection with bt: www.bt.com/broadband/ultrafast/
Nik :/ because not everywhere is covered by BT. My parents are only guaranteed 0.5 mbs by open reach, but 500 mbs by Virgin. Also IMO Virgins customer service is an order of magnitude better then BT
virgin can supply 1 gig if you want. virgin is also likely cheaper at time of comment.
Not to mention, BT's tv services (now box) is absolutely shocking
considering its a new build, shame they didn't get proper boxes made to properly mount equipment without needing to use cable ties - disappointing.
They are doing fiber to the house and still capping the speed WTF (also the coax doesn't matter would be no different to using an ethernet cable ect)
@@invoke4485 yeap, a real crap show.
@@invoke4485 This setup is called RFOG (Radio Frequency Over Glass) which is DOCSIS over fibre. The ONU unit is the same as a node in a traditional HFC setup, but for individual units.
@@igeekone Okay RFOG is new to me so does it not have the same benefits as optical fiber i.e. the near-unlimited room for bandwidth (you can get over 2Tbps per fiber atm) or is it ham-stringed by the DOCSIS components I mean we are on DOCSIS 3 atm which can do 1.2Gbits down and 200Mbits up.
Yet I'm stuck with a max of 500Mbps (for a ridiculous price you can get 1Gb from fiber-optic ISP for about £50 and that's up and down).
Virgin media and every other ISP know that the download speed is fine at the 300+ range but have so little upload in an era where cloud storage is a massive thing is just stupid.
its light and holds it in place and has a cover put over the top, its not going anywhere, whats the problem
Q.
Who wants to be friend 🤩😁.