I'm using a Palo Alto PA-200 temporarily until I get my new 2 NIC PC. Here's the Palo: pasteboard.co/EwzuinUS2K1e.jpg And here's what I'm getting: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005008589731.html
Here in the Netherlands we have FTTP in half the houses now. Most of the network is managed by KPN Netwerk, and is based on passive optical network (XGS-PON). All newly built houses have gigabit capability, with >1 Gb coming in the near future. Due to some consumer rights law concerning networking, the ISPs were ordered by the court to publish network specs, so you can actually hook up your own ONT, completely bypassing any ISP equipment at home, which I think is really neat
We would have had the same, except the liberals (conservatives, right wingers) decided to cut costs and only go to the node with fibre. Shit decision that has impacted literally like 90% of Australians.
when i built my house 10 years ago - i ran ducting up to my boundary ‘just in case’. Sure enough, 10 years later they run fibre to every house boundary. I signed up and when they arrived for the install - they were expecting to lift 30M of block paving - imagine their joy when I showed the ready made ducting. Like you I have a full IT setup and wanted the internal fibre running to my comms cab - which they obliged with. I ditched the supplied wifi router and use Sophos XG firewall (full version is free for personal use)
I’ve also recently upgraded to Fibre to the Premises internet (FTTP), and I’m very happy with the outcome. Having said that, I do feel like I’ve dodged a bullet. I have learned some important lessons along the way, and I’m guessing that this will be interesting to anyone else planning an upgrade to FTTP, so I’ve written a summary of the process, the equipment, the surprises, problems and solutions, and put it in a google drive doc with pictures here: docs.google.com/document/d/1H1O9SZYlzXd_K_n96Z-wTcgPFhU82O6QOVaXotZA-QI/edit I hope some readers will find it useful to help get the best outcome for their own FTTP upgrade.
I'm impressed you have the wired LAN in the house. I used to have that but in the end we were moving rooms layouts around so much and room reno's I ended up replacing it with wifi for my LAN. Its ok and does what I need it to, even though I've had to throw in an extender or 2. This week I finally get FTTP so I'm hoping the bandwidth can stand up to whatever the kids are going to smash it with.
Great video, thanks for this. I have my FTTP upgrade available in September. I have my switch and router in the living room behind a bar. Outside there is a box on top of the garage which is the only one I can see that looks like it has the land line coming in on. Its probably about 30-35 meters away from where I need it to be in the house. Will give this a go and try and run conduit through to where I want them to install the inside box.
I just dug out my old Palo Alto PA-200 and going to bring that back to life. I orded a little 2 NIC box from Ye Olde China, which I'll put my nftables on when I get it, because I like that.
My brain is small so have stuck with high level config I can read docs for - I use vyos. Hopefully we’ll get another vid on you setting up your new box and config!
@@TallPaulTechSeen all your videos and your raspi router setup - Just saying that I’d be very happy watching a dupe on your new AliExpress box! Even if there’s little real world gain, moving off an “on a stick” setup is decent :)
Great video now I know what to expect, getting my fttp upgrade next week. From katoomba we’ve been waiting quite a bit, unfortunate for the neighbours down the street though they have to wait till 2025
Hi Paul, looks like you did it the way you wanted which is good. I am getting a cabler guy in first before nbn to hopefully help in installing the connection box in my desired location.
Nice video... I would have suggested a cat6e cable to be run for future proofing. So that connector 2 pits down is called a CBT. Connectorised block terminal. Q: when setting up your router do ISP's in Australia use PPPOE, DHCP or static Ip address with a vlan to connect customers? In the UK they use PPPOE with a Vlan which can some time reduce speeds.
That's interesting, we have the same ONT here in NZ, but never seen an enclosure on one like that! Ours are all bare, people always take the AC adapter when they shift out
@@magesnz What is the acronym *lfc?* Liverpool Football Club is as far as I get with Google but I imagine it is the name like RSP (Retail Service Provider) they have in Oz where it used to be ISP (Internet Service Provider).
Just wondering when i get my fttp upgrade next week, will i be able to have them relocate my modem? The current location is terrible, i would like it relocated in the next room.
The house I bought already had FTTP and the installers intalled it on the closest corner to the kerb.... the master bedroom. My suburb was one of the first suburbs in Brisbane so everyone got a UPS with their fibre... Nothing like waking up at 2am to the sound of a UPS battery alarm (that you can only silence for 24hours)... To top it off, the UPS output was to a 6pin connector so I couldn't easily bypass it with a spare IEC laying around!! I think one of the pins was used for monitoring because I disconnected the battery and NBN knew about it "you can't touch our equipment" .. ITS MY MAIN BEDROOM AND BEEPING haha
The fact you need NBN certified pipe is insane. In the US the installer would kiss you if you had any kind of conduit so they dont need to sling cable through the crawlspace or attic.
Pfsense hardware from netgate supports the opensource project and to be honest interested in your opinion on selecting a router as i will be getting fiber sometime in the next 6 months.
Good work - what's the expected upload? Is 1G upload not the norm? Also what's the delivery tech? GPON? I couldn't tell if that was single fiber stand or dual on your modem? Thanks
1000 down / 50 up is the standard speed for the top end NBN for consumer plans. 1000/400 is available as a business plan over the same service but it is about 3 times the price. (Nearly $400 AUD per month). NBN FTTP is delivered via GPON.
I had a janky router setup for a while, upgraded to an EdgeRouter from Ubiquiti. It died. Got a replacement. It died. Finally got a APU2E0 from a OpnSense vendor here in Sweden and couldn't be happier. Doodling around in a lab is cool and fine but when your work needs a stable connection sometimes something made by others, used by many, can be preferable. Mine have worked without a hitch since I installed it a few years back. It does one thing. I don't really have to maintain it other than log in and hit Update once in a while. I know you probably like to roll your own, but give OpnSense a go. Cheers, mate.
My nftables is great for complete control, and the linux box that it runs on gives me easy packet capture ability at the drop of a hat, which is why I like it. Solid as a rock too.
I tried to get superloop fttp upgrade yesterday it was a bloody nightmare had to cancel and find another ISP. Where did you get the conduct with the writing on it. Was going to get Bunnings stuff but don't want NBN to show up and not use it.
@@Nightlifeimages Oh yeah I heard about that. Fully outsourced customer service is 100% going to be a nightmare. But as a former networking graduate and hopefully tech inclined individual I'm hoping to avoid any calls to them and survive with some better speed than Telstra's FTTN.
Great video, fair play for pulling it altogether. Coincidentally 1 & 2 Gb fibre has reached my area recently and while I was fortunate to have 330/35Mb over coax for years, the need for speed always increases. Gonna go with 1Gb. You must be loving the near 20 fold increase in your download though!
I dropped the speed back down because there was no need for it for just me, who would be doing one download at a time maximum generally. Also, most servers I'd download things from don't upload from their at 1Gb/s anyway, so it was overkill.
I'm looking at running a conduit from the POI to my network enclosure - and then run from there dump the NBN equipment for the Nokia FTTH adapter directly.
Another advantage with FTTH is no second path for lightning to make its way in. lost over 10 modems to lightning (and attached devices) in my adsl/fttn time. What's the tplink modem you are using for the fttn service? FTTH is a long time off as an option
Is it possible to run a patch cable from the fttp box to another place in the house, I.e the modem is in another place and is just plugged into the wall (Ethernet) which is connected to the fttp box
I moved to an apartment which had 1st Gen FTTP. My NBN router has a UPS as a part of the setup. I believe the thinking for that 1st Gen FTTP was; As FTTP was also replacing the copper phone line, if there was a power outage to your residence, then you wouldn't have a phone... So, I noticed your NBN router didn't have a UPS... I'm thinking that the 2nd Gen FTTP was re-speced?
It's all the same, just doesn't have the UPS because the UPS was a severely flawed plan. It was for use with the UNI-V ports, which most ISP's decided to completely ignore (with good reason, the provisioning was a nightmare afaik). Alcatel-Lucent G-240-G ONT's and Nokia SAS-K5 ONT's are the standard for NBN FTTP in residential services. There's Alcatel and Nokia ONT's dedicated for Business services as well that are a bit higher specced too.
Hey Mate - Great Video! Question - does the conduit have to go down the wall cavity? Similar to you I have it in the roof and bends going down each side... but on the PCD side, they have left it in the cavity to drop down for NBN as the location isn't clear for the PCD into brick. On the other side no drama - is a bend and draw string to the telephone port for them to install the new connection internally. Thoughts??
I have a question about the second visit - when they pushed the fibre from outside, did the fibre attached to your string have the green connector on it already (I believe it is called an SC connector). Or did the guy inside pulling the string terminate it once it was through? I am just wondering how much the external hole has to be widened (where the street conduit came out your brick, and the fibre went back in on the outside of the conduit). Wide enough for just fibre, or the connector gets pulled through too?
I'm fairly sure they do a fusion spice inside the tray on the side of the house. They would splice the lead-in to a already terminated SC connector. Not 100% tho
I've been using Mikrotik routers at home since 2016, right now I'm on an RB760GSi (also called hex S), which has no problems with a 1000/1000 Mbit/s line with a few firewall rules.
Lucky you have a simple dwelling for the conduit to run. I'm getting an upgrade in a couple of weeks, and I'm assuming they won't put the NTD where I'd like them to. Will go onto the 2nd story from the garage. Hopefully I get a competent tech who can find solutions. If not looks like I'll be running CAT6 cabling through the house. Question though; the phone line is overhead, does that mean the PCD can be placed in a position which will make the NTD easier to rout? Or does it have to be near the electrical box, or some other regulation on where it needs to go?
@@kerrynball2734 We ended up having it run to the second story; terminating in a bedroom, as it is adjacent to the garage. If you can do this, make sure to tell them so they will add some extra fibre in the roof. It made it a lot easier for running cat cable through the roof and in the position I wanted the router. In future I will get a cabler to move the NTD to that spot as well.
Hey Paul great video looks like you can do great work, I'm looking fwd to my fttp upgrade they did mine a little different first appointment they just ran a orange draw wire from my house to the pit next appointment they do the rest
Where did you get the templates for the Netwrok termination device so i cant have the screw mounts ready and the internal fibre coming out the wall? I'm a certified fibre installer and electrician. I don't trust the NBN guys to do the job well so I'm having everything ready before hand where I want it.
Haha... where did I get the templates? A piece of A4 paper, a pen, and some scissors! As I said, I had to hunt around to find dimensions online and pieced together a template.
FTTP is awesome. AussieBroadband is a great ISP too. I noticed your switch puts out a heap of noise. I changed the fans out of my TP Link switch to 2x Noctua NF-A4x20. Its super silent now despit fans always running. Easy to do and means my network cabinet in my office doesnt disrupt the house. In fact, my work laptop fan is noisier now.
Well, I had a 10 hour outage after the upgrade because of them, so I'm not so quick on the awesome part. As for the fans, check out my switch fan replacement video.
I think that certain japanese websites are supposed to have pixelation ;) I'd recommend pfSense or OpenWRT on some x86 hardware, an old thinclient with an Intel dual or quad gigabit nic should be enough. I'm jealous, I'll be stuck with 100 Mbit/s for another few years (rural Germany).
1:23 It's a side point, I know, but I'm curious as to what this modem is. Is it a VDSL modem in a SFP device, plugged into a TP-Link MC220L? Hopefully within 12 months, I won't care because supposedly an FTTN → FTTP upgrade is coming to my town.
Proscend 180-T, or the like. VDSL2 SFP module. They work well, and can have variants in both VSLAM or Modem mode, if you wanted to play around with using old phone cabling in the walls for up to 300Mbps LAN using only a single pair.
G'day Paul! was wondering how long it takes for the full speed to kick in? I recently went from FTTN to FTTP and speed went from 50ish to 120-150 at times, its been about 24 hours and still not the near 600-1000 download speed i was promised
Just tried going super close to the router with 5ghz and got to 400mb/s, I get about 60mb with Lan connection however its through those adaptors that connect to the wall any ideas how i can improve my speeds on my computer. Cheers @@TallPaulTech
@@rima_387as Paul said below an ethernet cable is the best type of connection when carrying out a speed test. By using your phone you will get inherited losses through RF. Your service should be fully working straight away after usually an ONT and firmware update..
Blooming heck-they stipulate the conduit ? And only 3 bends? You can have as many as you like,I’ve never heard of that anywhere, as long as you don’t have 180 degrees ones. Surprised that NBN are doing such asymmetrical speeds, must be GPON as opposed to XGS-PON
for a small router, mikrotik have some small options that are supposed to be quite good. runs their own os though, which is linux based but not the same afaik
I have just had 944 fibre and was only getting 190 using a Ubiquity USG-3P Security Gateway, turned out I had threat protection on. Turned it off and now I'm getting 950+
From what it looks like to me, you have the nbn that actually has the lines then the isp's are at the other end. In the states each isp is responsible for binging out their own lines for their own service. If that is the case how does that work? Or do I have it all wrong?
NBN do the physical infrastructure around the country. ISP's tap into it and the NBN maps them to your connection. If every ISP had their own lines, there would be shit everywhere
@@TallPaulTech Yeah here in the US, everyone has their own cable/fiber/copper system installed in the ground. Plus then beyond the residential stuff, you have all the business networks as well all with their own fiber networks. Lots of buried and aerial cables for sure all over the place. 👍🤠 Our last fiber provider to install cabling into the neighborhood really made Swiss cheese of the previous infrastructure. They hit multiple water lines, 12KV power lines and other providers lines as well. Thank goodness they didn't hit the natural gas lines in our neighborhood, like they did in a few subdivisions away and had to evacuate a number of homes.
Japanese Pixelization :) I see what you did there.. Also, just buy a pfsense+ box like the SG1100. They are quiet and low power, but super high performance for what they are.
I am on Launtel 1000/50 that runs at 835/47 consistently with a UDM Pro as my Router. Tested the 1000/400 plan and handles upload speed fine-tests at 850/350. Telstra Business Router V7610 would only upload at 48mbps
Ah yes Helstra. After being privatised all those years ago is still ripping off Australians. Guess it's in their DNA after doing it for so long under the PMG. I am envious of the speeds you can get in Launceston as that is what the original NBN was planed to do for the 93% who were going to get FTTP.
I got the upgrade to FTTP and also with ABB about 3 months back. I like you think I probably had the same gremlins needing fixed back up from ABB. Mainly, IPV6 address didn’t come across from the old service and IPv4. Additionally I had ABB set a reverse PTR record for the IP to my own rather than their system’s default - Important for my email server setup. I found a few calls to them / email got it all back to normal within 2 days. Still faster support and don’t shove you off like the big telcos. In the end everything transferred across just the way as it should have. For my Router I use a HP Thin Client with a 10G adapter via the m.2 slot. Project TinyLittleMicro has some options and I think Lyndel (Level1Techs) has a few videos. I use PFSense but a thinkclient /1ltr PC could be an option.
If you watch the video, you'll see the speed test, but it doesn't matter. They want the whole country to be fibre, and it should be damn well free since NBN is publicly funded.
@@geletmote ahh had no choice moved to a newly built house and with all no houses fiber is the only nbn option which is good because it's the best option.
Paul, what ISP are you using with your FTTP? (In Brisbane) I now have available free upgrade to FTTP and my current provider Internode doesn’t support the higher speeds. I'm wanting an ISP that has IPv6/56 with reverse DNS support which Internode supports on their standard plans. I’m also wanting a fixed IPv4 address which I think all ISP can now provide (at a cost).
He is with Aussie you can see it in his speed test And I highly recommend you do the same if you are wanting to muck around with IP addresses. The peanut employees at other ISP will have no idea what you are talking about
Not so fast.... yes I'm with Aussie Broadband, but their support for any real network issues is less than stellar. Their DHCP servers in particular are flaky, and if you try to explain that to them you get the same old 'turn it off/on' as you would from any other ISP.
@@jacksoranges6731 yeah can you imagine asking about that though. Their call centre is the worst tech I have ever experienced and I did the same job when I was 17. It was bad enough for me to move providers last week
The drop of 13ms on the round trip time is why ppl should want FTTP. Re the router I struggled to find low power devices (5w) that could do gigabit so ended up with Protectli running my firewall and a few other tasks and it’s 10w of power at 1 Gig
So I’m on ABB aswell but questing when you check your property it says $0 install but there’s additional costs you have to cover is it completely free upgrade or is there additional costs yku have to cover
I went from FTTC to FTTH with ABB and it didn't cost a cent, I made sure the installer had all the access they needed to the area I wanted the fibre box which was next to my primary incoming router and switches. Interestingly they did an aerial fibre run into the house. No issues, I needed to make some changes to the router to get the 250/25 speeds across the network.
Congrats. Have fun with the new fiber. It will be interesting to see which router you choose to replace the Rpi. In the past 12 months or so I experimented with: 1) netgate 2100 running pfsense 2) edge router lite running edgerouter OS 3) a Chinese mini pc with 4 lan ports to run pfsense (I was experimenting with load balancing using 3 fiber lines) All three worked very well. For size and simplicity edgerouter worked out best for me. My next experiment will be an HA setup using two edge routers. Love your videos.
@@TallPaulTech not entirely true. Just need to pay more. I'm on 500/200 with Launtel. I'm on a legacy priced plan so very good price. But residential plans go up to 1000/400 then you can look at EE for Upto 1000/1000
Did they use the copper to the street as a pull-through? Just asking because I said to the guy who did my place to use it as the pull-through but he said they weren't allowed to do that and the copper had to stay there. No idea why because it's just taking up space in the *non* NBN conduit I laid 22 years ago. He did use the copper to the first point in the house as a pull-through after I said for him to do that. Gee, two guys showed up each time, I had one show up and he did the fibre pull-through and the setup inside the house in less than 2½ hours by himself sort of. I did help with the run into the house. I'm on stumps so it was a short and easy length to run. I have a phone pit in my driveway so I was surprised when he had to run the fibre to the pit next ro us.
@Joseph the reason they can't pull the copper out is because it's owned/property of Telstra/Telecom, if they were to remove it they could potentially end up in court.
@@adamcoffee738Nah, it's all owned by NBN now. NBN just don't use the copper to pull thru as it's not good practice, it can cause fibre breaks as the copper will go round bends easier than the fibre.
I have a LinkSys WRT3200 running OpenWRT open source firmware as a router. Initially my NBN was also reporting half the speed, I researched and found that when I enabled "Software Offloading" and "Hardware Off loading", it went to full speed. So probably that is something you may look into for your Raspberry pi. I know not all routers have Hardware Off loading as it requires hardware support. However software offloading is implemented through software.
Eventually I just threw my router onto my proxmox cluster. Pfsense VMs with CARP/VRRP for HA. Works fine for gigabit with 2cores/2gb ram each. You could probably do something similar with openWRT if you want to stick with a linux router. Or even do it from scratch like your rPi router
Thanks for the video! My house has a 20 pair lead in cable (previous owners ran a small business from a home office). I think my conduit will be full - should give NBN something to do!
Useful vid, getting FTTH very shortly. Was wondering how it might work, as the current copper is piped through our garage, then underground (in a shared 50 core cable) through conduit to the house, then no conduit to a patch panel, and if I was to make this happen, multiple bends (9 maybe). Its probably easier for me to plan for termination and conduit in the garage then deal with internal house cabling. Cheers for the useful info.
it really sucks australia is far behind when it comes to internet, also if that's not bad enough, nbn scamming with locked uploaded speeds of 5mb/s on the upload side, that's very very slow, the highest retail speed you can get for home is 1000 download / 50 upload. NBN are milking the upload speeds, there is a symmetric enterprise business plan of 1000/1000 but do you know how much they are charging for a ridiculous price over $2,000+ a month! In other countries especially in Asian, they already have 10gigabit speeds for download and uploads and cost very cheap, yet we still only in garbage 1gbps download and 5mb/s upload, yet australians don't complain or do anything about it, very dodgy and scam aus internet is.
He was on FTTN I assume previous and was only getting close to 50 down. Since the upgrade his test showed close to a GB. Until he sent it to a subpar router lol
You lucky duck #WHERESMYLIGHTPIPE? Tidy install btw! I see so many dodgy NBN installs where they use flexible electrical conduit, in AS/CA S008 it clearly states to use comms conduit and a minimum number of bends & sweeps. I'd trust you doing electrical work more than some DIY hacks, you clearly know what your doing ;)
Let me know if you wanna play around with bypassing the ntd and doing direct fibre to sfp I've managed to get it working on opticomm fttp (gpon) i imagine it's possible on nbn fttp as well I've seen some enterprise nbn fibres terminate to Nokia sfp's
Interesting, not something I'd recommend however as if you're not super careful and break anything Opticomm will happily charge you $297 FFS minimum, then $148.50 per hour labour if past 2hrs, plus any consumables with GST on top.
in australia the highest internet speed you can get in home retail speed is 1000/50 which is a around 125MB/s download and 6.25MB/s upload, the upload speeds in australia is a scam monopoly by NBN and rupert murdoch.
@@la7dfasame as New Zealand 😂 they can shit on us for everything else but Fibre we mastered, both quicker than promised, under budget, more houses connected that originally and faster speeds. Most homes have Hyper fibre capabilities already, my previous home had 8000/8000 but moving to Australia…God these upload speeds are terrible.
@@waiskuxx Got 300/300 here a few weeks ago, it is just great and plenty for my need. I live on a remote island and I am so happy we have a govenment sponsoring those who need in remote locations.
NBN tech that updated my FTTC to FTTP did everything exactly how asked - I guess there are good NBN techs after all :D Of course, my run was simple compared to yours!
Now that you have FTTP, are you planning on upgrading your cabling to Fiber too, or are you leaving it as Cat 5/6 (which one do you have). Also did you do your own powerpoint?
@@robertsandy3794 I assume Paul is actually using Cat5E and that will handle 1000Mbps so it's not financially viable to go fibre inside and you don't get a speed boost except to your internal devices but only if they have 10Gb NICs so really what's the point. I regret Cat6 wasn't available when I cable my place 23 years ago when it was at frame stage. I know of a Primary School in Melbourne that ran fibre to all the points in the school in the late 90s and then spent $180 per point to get a 10Mbps fibre to Cat5 adapter. What a WOMBAT! 🤦♂At the time a 3Com 905b NIC cost the same amount.
@@josephking6515 that's interesting to know. I'm looking to cable my place and know that I could do it myself if I ran Cat 6, because the tools are inexpensive and relatively easy to do. We are going into a reno in about 6 months, so I'm in the planning stage and looking which way to go. Some of the runs will probably be longer than Cat 6 permits so that I won't be able to get 10Gb unless I do 6A or optical fibre! Thanks for your response
@@josephking6515 Yeah, Cat5E of course. You can do 2.5Gb/s easily enough with smart rate stuff. I don't have the need for that anyway. As I showed in my soapy server video recently, the only application (other than copy/iperf) that uses high bandwidth is 20MHz RF on the HackRF which is 350Mb/s. That's huge, and rare that I need even that. My LAN is fine with the cabling it's got.
I'm using a Palo Alto PA-200 temporarily until I get my new 2 NIC PC.
Here's the Palo: pasteboard.co/EwzuinUS2K1e.jpg
And here's what I'm getting: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005008589731.html
You actually got two real NBN installers not the usual numpty contractors where they guarantee a shit job, well done!
Hats off to you for doing it properly, such a clean setup!
If there's one thing I like, it's neat cabling.
Here in the Netherlands we have FTTP in half the houses now. Most of the network is managed by KPN Netwerk, and is based on passive optical network (XGS-PON). All newly built houses have gigabit capability, with >1 Gb coming in the near future.
Due to some consumer rights law concerning networking, the ISPs were ordered by the court to publish network specs, so you can actually hook up your own ONT, completely bypassing any ISP equipment at home, which I think is really neat
We would have had the same, except the liberals (conservatives, right wingers) decided to cut costs and only go to the node with fibre. Shit decision that has impacted literally like 90% of Australians.
I install fibre optic to the home for a living and i must say you have depicted a day in my life perfectly! fun to watch! Good job!
Does yours also involve a wire coathanger? I forgot to put that in the video, but it was the hero of the day!
@@TallPaulTech Oh yeah it does!
mate I have the exact same issue with pixelation on Japanese websites! weird
You're all dirtbags!
😂😂😂
when i built my house 10 years ago - i ran ducting up to my boundary ‘just in case’. Sure enough, 10 years later they run fibre to every house boundary. I signed up and when they arrived for the install - they were expecting to lift 30M of block paving - imagine their joy when I showed the ready made ducting. Like you I have a full IT setup and wanted the internal fibre running to my comms cab - which they obliged with.
I ditched the supplied wifi router and use Sophos XG firewall (full version is free for personal use)
Yeah, I guess they're happy when someone has made it easy for them. That was my aim, and it paid off. Also, I'd want it done my way anyway.
I did something very similar routing the fibre to my patch panel, so I appreciate your attention to detail. Thanks for sharing.
Pics or it never happened!
I’ve also recently upgraded to Fibre to the Premises internet (FTTP), and I’m very happy with the outcome. Having said that, I do feel like I’ve dodged a bullet. I have learned some important lessons along the way, and I’m guessing that this will be interesting to anyone else planning an upgrade to FTTP, so I’ve written a summary of the process, the equipment, the surprises, problems and solutions, and put it in a google drive doc with pictures here: docs.google.com/document/d/1H1O9SZYlzXd_K_n96Z-wTcgPFhU82O6QOVaXotZA-QI/edit I hope some readers will find it useful to help get the best outcome for their own FTTP upgrade.
Ah, you did a full write up. Nice.
@@stephenlepage hey, nice one Stephen!
The nonchalant way you made the Japanese website joke made me laugh so hard
Whatever do you mean?
I'm impressed you have the wired LAN in the house. I used to have that but in the end we were moving rooms layouts around so much and room reno's I ended up replacing it with wifi for my LAN. Its ok and does what I need it to, even though I've had to throw in an extender or 2. This week I finally get FTTP so I'm hoping the bandwidth can stand up to whatever the kids are going to smash it with.
Wi-Fi extender..... oh dear...
@@TallPaulTech yeah but its home internet. And I'm too old to be pulling cable. I tend to do it a lot different at work. No extenders there.
Great video, thanks for this. I have my FTTP upgrade available in September. I have my switch and router in the living room behind a bar. Outside there is a box on top of the garage which is the only one I can see that looks like it has the land line coming in on. Its probably about 30-35 meters away from where I need it to be in the house. Will give this a go and try and run conduit through to where I want them to install the inside box.
I just dug out my old Palo Alto PA-200 and going to bring that back to life. I orded a little 2 NIC box from Ye Olde China, which I'll put my nftables on when I get it, because I like that.
is that the tplink Gigabit SFP Media Converter?
My brain is small so have stuck with high level config I can read docs for - I use vyos.
Hopefully we’ll get another vid on you setting up your new box and config!
@@nigelmainsail Just check out my nftables video. It's that sort of thing.
@@TallPaulTechSeen all your videos and your raspi router setup - Just saying that I’d be very happy watching a dupe on your new AliExpress box! Even if there’s little real world gain, moving off an “on a stick” setup is decent :)
Great video now I know what to expect, getting my fttp upgrade next week. From katoomba we’ve been waiting quite a bit, unfortunate for the neighbours down the street though they have to wait till 2025
I recommend a dual-nic ARM-based SBC that is supported by OpenWRT or Armbian, like the NanoPi R4S. They come in really cool metal heat-sink cases too
Hi Paul, looks like you did it the way you wanted which is good. I am getting a cabler guy in first before nbn to hopefully help in installing the connection box in my desired location.
Just tell them where to put it
Love it when drongos think they’re onto it how many sparky’s rolling around after this 😂
Hey mate, thanks for the great video. One question. Where did you get the plans for the NTD wall mount?
Nice video... I would have suggested a cat6e cable to be run for future proofing.
So that connector 2 pits down is called a CBT. Connectorised block terminal.
Q: when setting up your router do ISP's in Australia use PPPOE, DHCP or static Ip address with a vlan to connect customers?
In the UK they use PPPOE with a Vlan which can some time reduce speeds.
Depends which ISP.
AussieBB uses IPoE/DHCP/Dynamic IP.
Plenty of others use PPPoE however, and some play around with the VLANs too.
Paul, I have a compact comms box just like yours. NBN installed fttp on a tray *in the comms box*
That's interesting, we have the same ONT here in NZ, but never seen an enclosure on one like that! Ours are all bare, people always take the AC adapter when they shift out
Dépends where you are and who your lfc is, cause I got a different ont from the one chorus has since I live in a ultra fast fibre area
@@magesnz What is the acronym *lfc?* Liverpool Football Club is as far as I get with Google but I imagine it is the name like RSP (Retail Service Provider) they have in Oz where it used to be ISP (Internet Service Provider).
@@josephking6515 local fibre company , the ones that own the fibre in New Zealand
Just wondering when i get my fttp upgrade next week, will i be able to have them relocate my modem? The current location is terrible, i would like it relocated in the next room.
Hello, you know the box on the wall that you keep your router in and Ethernet connections? Where can I get that from? Thanks
The house I bought already had FTTP and the installers intalled it on the closest corner to the kerb.... the master bedroom. My suburb was one of the first suburbs in Brisbane so everyone got a UPS with their fibre... Nothing like waking up at 2am to the sound of a UPS battery alarm (that you can only silence for 24hours)... To top it off, the UPS output was to a 6pin connector so I couldn't easily bypass it with a spare IEC laying around!! I think one of the pins was used for monitoring because I disconnected the battery and NBN knew about it "you can't touch our equipment" .. ITS MY MAIN BEDROOM AND BEEPING haha
Jaycar sell pre-made PSU's for FTTP NTD's as well, which has a cable loop that bypasses the battery backup monitoring circuit afaik.
The fact you need NBN certified pipe is insane. In the US the installer would kiss you if you had any kind of conduit so they dont need to sling cable through the crawlspace or attic.
The installers said it didn't actually have to be NBN conduit, but there you go.
Australia, 1 million rules and next to zero enforcement
Pfsense hardware from netgate supports the opensource project and to be honest interested in your opinion on selecting a router as i will be getting fiber sometime in the next 6 months.
Good work - what's the expected upload? Is 1G upload not the norm? Also what's the delivery tech? GPON? I couldn't tell if that was single fiber stand or dual on your modem? Thanks
1000 down / 50 up is the standard speed for the top end NBN for consumer plans. 1000/400 is available as a business plan over the same service but it is about 3 times the price. (Nearly $400 AUD per month). NBN FTTP is delivered via GPON.
I had a janky router setup for a while, upgraded to an EdgeRouter from Ubiquiti. It died. Got a replacement. It died. Finally got a APU2E0 from a OpnSense vendor here in Sweden and couldn't be happier. Doodling around in a lab is cool and fine but when your work needs a stable connection sometimes something made by others, used by many, can be preferable. Mine have worked without a hitch since I installed it a few years back. It does one thing. I don't really have to maintain it other than log in and hit Update once in a while. I know you probably like to roll your own, but give OpnSense a go. Cheers, mate.
My nftables is great for complete control, and the linux box that it runs on gives me easy packet capture ability at the drop of a hat, which is why I like it. Solid as a rock too.
I tried to get superloop fttp upgrade yesterday it was a bloody nightmare had to cancel and find another ISP.
Where did you get the conduct with the writing on it. Was going to get Bunnings stuff but don't want NBN to show up and not use it.
You mean conduit? Any electrical supplier.
Getting my Superloop FTTP upgrade next week. Any reason it was a nightmare?
@@ScaredTrout2nd there customer service is third world
@@Nightlifeimages Oh yeah I heard about that. Fully outsourced customer service is 100% going to be a nightmare. But as a former networking graduate and hopefully tech inclined individual I'm hoping to avoid any calls to them and survive with some better speed than Telstra's FTTN.
@@ScaredTrout2nd yeah right. I've been in IT as well for over 15 years doesn't mean a phone call isn't needed from time to time when there are issues
Great video, fair play for pulling it altogether. Coincidentally 1 & 2 Gb fibre has reached my area recently and while I was fortunate to have 330/35Mb over coax for years, the need for speed always increases. Gonna go with 1Gb. You must be loving the near 20 fold increase in your download though!
I never really had the need for the speed that I had, I just wanted to do a new setup.
What size is that 'on the wall' template please? I need to do soon something identical to what you have done. Any help appreciated...
Thank you. I followed your video to do the same for my house. It worked very well!
The same? haha... pics or it never happened!
There are some Raspberry CM4 router boards which use a second NIC connected thru pci-e without usb. Then it should handle 900Mbit/s routing with ease!
Where'd you get the NBN conduit?
Ps I've watched you cooking videos, you need more seasoning mate.
From an electrical supply place, but it turns out you don't actually need the NBN stuff specifically they said.
Got the upgrade recently. Went from 50mbps to 940mbps. I'm with ABB.
Copper is shit. Every Aussie should have Fibre.
I dropped the speed back down because there was no need for it for just me, who would be doing one download at a time maximum generally. Also, most servers I'd download things from don't upload from their at 1Gb/s anyway, so it was overkill.
We were so far behind. My cousin in California has had gigabit Internet for over 10yrs, and he can upgrade to 2GB now if he wants.
I'm looking at running a conduit from the POI to my network enclosure - and then run from there dump the NBN equipment for the Nokia FTTH adapter directly.
Another advantage with FTTH is no second path for lightning to make its way in. lost over 10 modems to lightning (and attached devices) in my adsl/fttn time.
What's the tplink modem you are using for the fttn service?
FTTH is a long time off as an option
It's not a TPLink modem, that's just the media converter for the Proscend SFP modem in it
Is it possible to run a patch cable from the fttp box to another place in the house, I.e the modem is in another place and is just plugged into the wall (Ethernet) which is connected to the fttp box
did they have any reservations that you wanted the internal box was too high on the wall ?
Im so frustrated i was booked for it 1 pm to 5 pm , nbn tech did not show up
I moved to an apartment which had 1st Gen FTTP. My NBN router has a UPS as a part of the setup. I believe the thinking for that 1st Gen FTTP was; As FTTP was also replacing the copper phone line, if there was a power outage to your residence, then you wouldn't have a phone... So, I noticed your NBN router didn't have a UPS... I'm thinking that the 2nd Gen FTTP was re-speced?
It's all the same, just doesn't have the UPS because the UPS was a severely flawed plan.
It was for use with the UNI-V ports, which most ISP's decided to completely ignore (with good reason, the provisioning was a nightmare afaik).
Alcatel-Lucent G-240-G ONT's and Nokia SAS-K5 ONT's are the standard for NBN FTTP in residential services.
There's Alcatel and Nokia ONT's dedicated for Business services as well that are a bit higher specced too.
Oh man you just did 50% of the work!
Oh, it was more than 50% I can tell you that.
Hey Mate - Great Video!
Question - does the conduit have to go down the wall cavity? Similar to you I have it in the roof and bends going down each side... but on the PCD side, they have left it in the cavity to drop down for NBN as the location isn't clear for the PCD into brick.
On the other side no drama - is a bend and draw string to the telephone port for them to install the new connection internally. Thoughts??
I didn't have conduit down the wall, no. Just the bend at the top to head it down the right way.
Curious what those two 40x4 LCD you have mounted in the cabinet do!
They fill in the gap that would otherwise have been there in that shot. Previously, I had a Powerwall readout similar to what I have in the kitchen.
I have a question about the second visit - when they pushed the fibre from outside, did the fibre attached to your string have the green connector on it already (I believe it is called an SC connector). Or did the guy inside pulling the string terminate it once it was through? I am just wondering how much the external hole has to be widened (where the street conduit came out your brick, and the fibre went back in on the outside of the conduit). Wide enough for just fibre, or the connector gets pulled through too?
I'm fairly sure they do a fusion spice inside the tray on the side of the house. They would splice the lead-in to a already terminated SC connector. Not 100% tho
It was a pre-terminated length they told me. They were out of here by 9am.
What do you use that little raspberry PI screen for? Is there an article on it? It looks like an awesome idea in the switch plate
It's an LCD display of my power usage, taken from data from the powerwall.
I've been using Mikrotik routers at home since 2016, right now I'm on an RB760GSi (also called hex S), which has no problems with a 1000/1000 Mbit/s line with a few firewall rules.
Would that happen to be 2 aruba controllers that appear in the end of the video? looking forward to the video on you setting up your next router
Lucky you have a simple dwelling for the conduit to run. I'm getting an upgrade in a couple of weeks, and I'm assuming they won't put the NTD where I'd like them to. Will go onto the 2nd story from the garage. Hopefully I get a competent tech who can find solutions. If not looks like I'll be running CAT6 cabling through the house.
Question though; the phone line is overhead, does that mean the PCD can be placed in a position which will make the NTD easier to rout? Or does it have to be near the electrical box, or some other regulation on where it needs to go?
what happened with that. I've got overhead telephone line too, but it sounds like they still will only install everything on ground floor.
@@kerrynball2734 We ended up having it run to the second story; terminating in a bedroom, as it is adjacent to the garage. If you can do this, make sure to tell them so they will add some extra fibre in the roof.
It made it a lot easier for running cat cable through the roof and in the position I wanted the router. In future I will get a cabler to move the NTD to that spot as well.
@@shoobiefuYou have to get NBNco to move the NTD, not a data cabler, as if anything messes up you'll be on the hook for the repair costs.
@@PupNuggs Not true. Look up NBN's authority to alter. Document number F0002-31-11678
Hey Paul great video looks like you can do great work, I'm looking fwd to my fttp upgrade they did mine a little different first appointment they just ran a orange draw wire from my house to the pit next appointment they do the rest
That's pretty much what they did the first time with me too.
Where did you get the templates for the Netwrok termination device so i cant have the screw mounts ready and the internal fibre coming out the wall?
I'm a certified fibre installer and electrician. I don't trust the NBN guys to do the job well so I'm having everything ready before hand where I want it.
Haha... where did I get the templates? A piece of A4 paper, a pen, and some scissors! As I said, I had to hunt around to find dimensions online and pieced together a template.
Definitely a smart move to do as much as you can yourself beforehand.
Thanks@@TallPaulTech
FTTP is awesome. AussieBroadband is a great ISP too.
I noticed your switch puts out a heap of noise. I changed the fans out of my TP Link switch to 2x Noctua NF-A4x20. Its super silent now despit fans always running. Easy to do and means my network cabinet in my office doesnt disrupt the house. In fact, my work laptop fan is noisier now.
Well, I had a 10 hour outage after the upgrade because of them, so I'm not so quick on the awesome part. As for the fans, check out my switch fan replacement video.
@@TallPaulTech maybe there's a multi-technology FTTP mix. I'm in the original FTTP trial zone before the LNP/Turnbull created FTTN and FTTC.
I think that certain japanese websites are supposed to have pixelation ;)
I'd recommend pfSense or OpenWRT on some x86 hardware, an old thinclient with an Intel dual or quad gigabit nic should be enough.
I'm jealous, I'll be stuck with 100 Mbit/s for another few years (rural Germany).
1:23 It's a side point, I know, but I'm curious as to what this modem is. Is it a VDSL modem in a SFP device, plugged into a TP-Link MC220L?
Hopefully within 12 months, I won't care because supposedly an FTTN → FTTP upgrade is coming to my town.
He's covered it in a few videos a while back. It's a VDSL modem in an SFP, rather hard to come by.
Proscend 180-T, or the like.
VDSL2 SFP module.
They work well, and can have variants in both VSLAM or Modem mode, if you wanted to play around with using old phone cabling in the walls for up to 300Mbps LAN using only a single pair.
G'day Paul! was wondering how long it takes for the full speed to kick in? I recently went from FTTN to FTTP and speed went from 50ish to 120-150 at times, its been about 24 hours and still not the near 600-1000 download speed i was promised
It went to that speed as soon as they changed the service to it.
@@TallPaulTech Which service provider are you with?
Just tried going super close to the router with 5ghz and got to 400mb/s, I get about 60mb with Lan connection however its through those adaptors that connect to the wall any ideas how i can improve my speeds on my computer. Cheers
@@TallPaulTech
Oh, so you're not even using a proper Ethernet connection plugged into your router? Start with that.
@@rima_387as Paul said below an ethernet cable is the best type of connection when carrying out a speed test. By using your phone you will get inherited losses through RF. Your service should be fully working straight away after usually an ONT and firmware update..
The Japanese websites comment got me😂
Mate ive got fibre to the garage but im only getting 100mbps. Tpg says fiber isnt available at the address 😂 what am i missing?
English
@TallPaulTech never mind obviously asking the wrong person
Blooming heck-they stipulate the conduit ? And only 3 bends? You can have as many as you like,I’ve never heard of that anywhere, as long as you don’t have 180 degrees ones.
Surprised that NBN are doing such asymmetrical speeds, must be GPON as opposed to XGS-PON
Yeah, it's GPON.
Alcatel-Lucent G-240-G and Nokia SAS-K5 GPON ONT's.
for a small router, mikrotik have some small options that are supposed to be quite good.
runs their own os though, which is linux based but not the same afaik
I feel like the japanese joke went over a lot of people's head.
A few got it
I have just had 944 fibre and was only getting 190 using a Ubiquity USG-3P Security Gateway, turned out I had threat protection on. Turned it off and now I'm getting 950+
The Palo Alto is my temporary router/firewall and it's got decent throughput. I can't wait for my new linux box to arrive though.
From what it looks like to me, you have the nbn that actually has the lines then the isp's are at the other end. In the states each isp is responsible for binging out their own lines for their own service. If that is the case how does that work? Or do I have it all wrong?
NBN do the physical infrastructure around the country. ISP's tap into it and the NBN maps them to your connection. If every ISP had their own lines, there would be shit everywhere
@@TallPaulTech Yeah here in the US, everyone has their own cable/fiber/copper system installed in the ground. Plus then beyond the residential stuff, you have all the business networks as well all with their own fiber networks. Lots of buried and aerial cables for sure all over the place. 👍🤠 Our last fiber provider to install cabling into the neighborhood really made Swiss cheese of the previous infrastructure. They hit multiple water lines, 12KV power lines and other providers lines as well. Thank goodness they didn't hit the natural gas lines in our neighborhood, like they did in a few subdivisions away and had to evacuate a number of homes.
Japanese Pixelization :) I see what you did there.. Also, just buy a pfsense+ box like the SG1100. They are quiet and low power, but super high performance for what they are.
Is that the only thing people noticed in this video? Nobody even mentioned the theme music.
@@TallPaulTech We heard The A-Theme, don't you worry :-D
@@TallPaulTech did you resolve the pixelation? Have the same probably so it's probably not just your internet
@@oresteszoupanos Good!
Great prep work!
It made all the difference
I am on Launtel 1000/50 that runs at 835/47 consistently with a UDM Pro as my Router. Tested the 1000/400 plan and handles upload speed fine-tests at 850/350. Telstra Business Router V7610 would only upload at 48mbps
Ah yes Helstra. After being privatised all those years ago is still ripping off Australians. Guess it's in their DNA after doing it for so long under the PMG. I am envious of the speeds you can get in Launceston as that is what the original NBN was planed to do for the 93% who were going to get FTTP.
I may give them a go once I'm settled in with my new router.
Is nbn upgrade free? I lot of people claim it is unless they need extra trenching etc? But why would they need that
It's basically taxpayer funded, so it should be bloody free
its free if someone in your street has already upgraded
I got the upgrade to FTTP and also with ABB about 3 months back. I like you think I probably had the same gremlins needing fixed back up from ABB. Mainly, IPV6 address didn’t come across from the old service and IPv4. Additionally I had ABB set a reverse PTR record for the IP to my own rather than their system’s default - Important for my email server setup. I found a few calls to them / email got it all back to normal within 2 days. Still faster support and don’t shove you off like the big telcos. In the end everything transferred across just the way as it should have.
For my Router I use a HP Thin Client with a 10G adapter via the m.2 slot. Project TinyLittleMicro has some options and I think Lyndel (Level1Techs) has a few videos.
I use PFSense but a thinkclient /1ltr PC could be an option.
I didn't know they'd do a PTR for home users.
how long did you have to wait to change from FTTN to FTTP? as i can't until after the Christmas and new years holidays
it was only like a week or two I think
@@TallPaulTech what speed did you change to have it done for free?
If you watch the video, you'll see the speed test, but it doesn't matter. They want the whole country to be fibre, and it should be damn well free since NBN is publicly funded.
@@TallPaulTech i rent my house what do i say to the real estate about getting the all ok to have FTTP installed?
@@TallPaulTech i rang my real estate they said i can do the upgrade
Fibre getting installed on monday can't wait. Even though i already had 950 + download on hfc.
Pics or it never happened!
@@TallPaulTech drive.google.com/file/d/1gvuLdq6Cqka-dR8SxFQAVGEwset6Gmzv/view?usp=sharing
why would you upgrade to FTTP if you could get 950 on hfc?
@@geletmote ahh had no choice moved to a newly built house and with all no houses fiber is the only nbn option which is good because it's the best option.
One thing you never showed us was where your router is located?
I didn't show you where my speakers are either. What's your point?
@@TallPaulTech doesn't the router have to be close to you connection box?
@@TallPaulTech stick to your tech mate, leave the comedy to the comedians.
Paul, what ISP are you using with your FTTP?
(In Brisbane) I now have available free upgrade to FTTP and my current provider Internode doesn’t support the higher speeds. I'm wanting an ISP that has IPv6/56 with reverse DNS support which Internode supports on their standard plans. I’m also wanting a fixed IPv4 address which I think all ISP can now provide (at a cost).
He is with Aussie you can see it in his speed test
And I highly recommend you do the same if you are wanting to muck around with IP addresses. The peanut employees at other ISP will have no idea what you are talking about
Not so fast.... yes I'm with Aussie Broadband, but their support for any real network issues is less than stellar. Their DHCP servers in particular are flaky, and if you try to explain that to them you get the same old 'turn it off/on' as you would from any other ISP.
@@TallPaulTech Of course you would because you are running residential. Go business if you want real troubleshooting.
Superloop offers free fixed ip
@@jacksoranges6731 yeah can you imagine asking about that though. Their call centre is the worst tech I have ever experienced and I did the same job when I was 17. It was bad enough for me to move providers last week
The drop of 13ms on the round trip time is why ppl should want FTTP.
Re the router I struggled to find low power devices (5w) that could do gigabit so ended up with Protectli running my firewall and a few other tasks and it’s 10w of power at 1 Gig
So I’m on ABB aswell but questing when you check your property it says $0 install but there’s additional costs you have to cover is it completely free upgrade or is there additional costs yku have to cover
I went from FTTC to FTTH with ABB and it didn't cost a cent, I made sure the installer had all the access they needed to the area I wanted the fibre box which was next to my primary incoming router and switches. Interestingly they did an aerial fibre run into the house. No issues, I needed to make some changes to the router to get the 250/25 speeds across the network.
Let's not forget the NBN is taxpayer funded, so it should be bloody free.
Congrats. Have fun with the new fiber.
It will be interesting to see which router you choose to replace the Rpi.
In the past 12 months or so I experimented with:
1) netgate 2100 running pfsense
2) edge router lite running edgerouter OS
3) a Chinese mini pc with 4 lan ports to run pfsense (I was experimenting with load balancing using 3 fiber lines)
All three worked very well. For size and simplicity edgerouter worked out best for me. My next experiment will be an HA setup using two edge routers.
Love your videos.
I'm setting up a Palo Alto as we speak
Great video - I am stuck with FTTN (for now!). I was wondering if you can share the details of the modem you use please? Thank You!
Modem? ... for FTTP?
@@TallPaulTech your old FTTN modem. I think it was TP Link? Thanks.
@@VW_FanIt's a TP-Link Gigabit SFP Media converter and something like a Proscend 180-T VDSL module.
I’m surprised they throttled down your upload speed and at so very low speed also! The selling point in Europe for fiber is its simultaneous speeds
Our uploads are always tiny here
@@TallPaulTech not entirely true. Just need to pay more.
I'm on 500/200 with Launtel. I'm on a legacy priced plan so very good price. But residential plans go up to 1000/400 then you can look at EE for Upto 1000/1000
Did they use the copper to the street as a pull-through? Just asking because I said to the guy who did my place to use it as the pull-through but he said they weren't allowed to do that and the copper had to stay there. No idea why because it's just taking up space in the *non* NBN conduit I laid 22 years ago. He did use the copper to the first point in the house as a pull-through after I said for him to do that.
Gee, two guys showed up each time, I had one show up and he did the fibre pull-through and the setup inside the house in less than 2½ hours by himself sort of. I did help with the run into the house. I'm on stumps so it was a short and easy length to run. I have a phone pit in my driveway so I was surprised when he had to run the fibre to the pit next ro us.
I explained all in the video.
@Joseph the reason they can't pull the copper out is because it's owned/property of Telstra/Telecom, if they were to remove it they could potentially end up in court.
Fair point
@@adamcoffee738Nah, it's all owned by NBN now.
NBN just don't use the copper to pull thru as it's not good practice, it can cause fibre breaks as the copper will go round bends easier than the fibre.
@@PupNuggs not in the NT it ain't mate,
I have a LinkSys WRT3200 running OpenWRT open source firmware as a router. Initially my NBN was also reporting half the speed, I researched and found that when I enabled "Software Offloading" and "Hardware Off loading", it went to full speed. So probably that is something you may look into for your Raspberry pi. I know not all routers have Hardware Off loading as it requires hardware support. However software offloading is implemented through software.
No routing engine on a Pi, just good old software-based packet routing.
Huge fan of MikroTik myself, or VyOS on an x86 box.
11:15 - did you set up a UPS for that power point?
I have Powerwall... the whole house is on UPS.
Gateway router upgrade an opportunity to have a play around with pfsense /opnsense on something like a thin client with a multi port nic?
Check my pinned comment
A decent drop in latency between before and after.... oh and nice 6300F :)
A very well done video. :)
What router did you end up going with?
Eventually I just threw my router onto my proxmox cluster. Pfsense VMs with CARP/VRRP for HA. Works fine for gigabit with 2cores/2gb ram each. You could probably do something similar with openWRT if you want to stick with a linux router. Or even do it from scratch like your rPi router
Mate! Those nbn engineers must’ve loved you for all the work you did upfront. I got my installers do all this for my fttp install
Yeah, they were pretty happy with it.
Thanks for the video! My house has a 20 pair lead in cable (previous owners ran a small business from a home office). I think my conduit will be full - should give NBN something to do!
japanese websites that had some pixelation....I see what you did there :)
Yeah, it happens from time to time.
Useful vid, getting FTTH very shortly. Was wondering how it might work, as the current copper is piped through our garage, then underground (in a shared 50 core cable) through conduit to the house, then no conduit to a patch panel, and if I was to make this happen, multiple bends (9 maybe). Its probably easier for me to plan for termination and conduit in the garage then deal with internal house cabling. Cheers for the useful info.
it really sucks australia is far behind when it comes to internet, also if that's not bad enough, nbn scamming with locked uploaded speeds of 5mb/s on the upload side, that's very very slow, the highest retail speed you can get for home is 1000 download / 50 upload. NBN are milking the upload speeds, there is a symmetric enterprise business plan of 1000/1000 but do you know how much they are charging for a ridiculous price over $2,000+ a month! In other countries especially in Asian, they already have 10gigabit speeds for download and uploads and cost very cheap, yet we still only in garbage 1gbps download and 5mb/s upload, yet australians don't complain or do anything about it, very dodgy and scam aus internet is.
One of the many many problems with infrastructure in Australia. It’s ridiculous
The A Team 🤣 thanks for sharing. 😊
I didn’t catch it. Why was your upload worse than coax?
Who mentioned coax?
He was on FTTN I assume previous and was only getting close to 50 down.
Since the upgrade his test showed close to a GB.
Until he sent it to a subpar router lol
You lucky duck #WHERESMYLIGHTPIPE? Tidy install btw! I see so many dodgy NBN installs where they use flexible electrical conduit, in AS/CA S008 it clearly states to use comms conduit and a minimum number of bends & sweeps. I'd trust you doing electrical work more than some DIY hacks, you clearly know what your doing ;)
Proxmox + VM for OPNSense on a spare PC a bit more gruntier than the raspberry pi should do the trick :)
Let me know if you wanna play around with bypassing the ntd and doing direct fibre to sfp I've managed to get it working on opticomm fttp (gpon) i imagine it's possible on nbn fttp as well I've seen some enterprise nbn fibres terminate to Nokia sfp's
I don't think I'm going to play around with that, as it's in now provides me a simple Ethernet connection.
I was looking for that, 😢were can I get more info ?
Interesting, not something I'd recommend however as if you're not super careful and break anything Opticomm will happily charge you $297 FFS minimum, then $148.50 per hour labour if past 2hrs, plus any consumables with GST on top.
@@PupNuggs im qualified so i just go out to my van and grab another pig tail or patch lead
in australia the highest internet speed you can get in home retail speed is 1000/50 which is a
around 125MB/s download and 6.25MB/s upload, the upload speeds in australia is a scam monopoly by NBN and rupert murdoch.
Pretty sick. In Europe, you have 1000/1000 for the same fiber subscription.
@@la7dfasame as New Zealand 😂 they can shit on us for everything else but Fibre we mastered, both quicker than promised, under budget, more houses connected that originally and faster speeds. Most homes have Hyper fibre capabilities already, my previous home had 8000/8000 but moving to Australia…God these upload speeds are terrible.
@@waiskuxx Got 300/300 here a few weeks ago, it is just great and plenty for my need. I live on a remote island and I am so happy we have a govenment sponsoring those who need in remote locations.
NBN tech that updated my FTTC to FTTP did everything exactly how asked - I guess there are good NBN techs after all :D
Of course, my run was simple compared to yours!
Did you make it easy for him? (and therefore hard to refuse)
@@TallPaulTech good point. Probably was a simple install for him the way I wanted it.
I would love to have a fibre cabinet that isn't at least 5 blocks away from me 😲
Thanks for sharing this! Great video as always 🤘
Thanks mate
Now that you have FTTP, are you planning on upgrading your cabling to Fiber too, or are you leaving it as Cat 5/6 (which one do you have).
Also did you do your own powerpoint?
Nah, Cat5 is fine.
@@TallPaulTech interesting, so when would you consider upgrading Cat 5 to Fiber? Btw, why Cat 5 and not Cat 6/6A?
@@robertsandy3794 I assume Paul is actually using Cat5E and that will handle 1000Mbps so it's not financially viable to go fibre inside and you don't get a speed boost except to your internal devices but only if they have 10Gb NICs so really what's the point. I regret Cat6 wasn't available when I cable my place 23 years ago when it was at frame stage.
I know of a Primary School in Melbourne that ran fibre to all the points in the school in the late 90s and then spent $180 per point to get a 10Mbps fibre to Cat5 adapter. What a WOMBAT! 🤦♂At the time a 3Com 905b NIC cost the same amount.
@@josephking6515 that's interesting to know. I'm looking to cable my place and know that I could do it myself if I ran Cat 6, because the tools are inexpensive and relatively easy to do.
We are going into a reno in about 6 months, so I'm in the planning stage and looking which way to go.
Some of the runs will probably be longer than Cat 6 permits so that I won't be able to get 10Gb unless I do 6A or optical fibre!
Thanks for your response
@@josephking6515 Yeah, Cat5E of course. You can do 2.5Gb/s easily enough with smart rate stuff. I don't have the need for that anyway. As I showed in my soapy server video recently, the only application (other than copy/iperf) that uses high bandwidth is 20MHz RF on the HackRF which is 350Mb/s. That's huge, and rare that I need even that. My LAN is fine with the cabling it's got.
Great video, would you explore possibility of be using pfsense ?
I used that years ago. These days I like having a linux box that I can do whatever with manually.