Catholic Unscripted 6:-Crossing yourself now illegal in UK, & Synodality shenanigans
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Mark Lambert
is the author of a well-known Catholic blog at marklambert.blo...
He is a husband & father of five who studied Catholic Theology for five years. He has been published in the Catholic Press and has a huge network of Catholic friends across the world who keep him up on the pulse of Church affairs.
Katherine Bennett,
Former stand up comic, with a BA in theology, an MA in political philosophy; PGCE secondary ed. commissioned as deanery mentor for evangelisation by Arch John Wilson 2022. Formation lead at St Boniface Parish. Catholic Voice public speaker. Confirmation catechist. Blogger, you tuber etc Daughter. Wife. Mother. Step mother.
Gavin Ashenden,
After training as a lawyer, become an Anglican minister, broadcaster, author, 23 year an academic, and finally, and with inordinate joy, a lay Roman Catholic writer. Failed opera singer.
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Fr Gavin, Katherine, and Mark: I am new to your programme in its current format. Although I’m an Anglican, I congratulate all three of you on a wonderful discussion. You’re not scared to tackle the controversial issues of the day and give sound reasoning on these subjects. What a breath of fresh air. God bless you in your internet ministry. Many thanks, Arthur (South Africa).
This is the first time I have come across this channel. I would never have guessed that Gavin is a priest. He signs himself as Dr G. Ashenden. How sad.
@@desireboezio9911 With all due respect but he is no longer a priest. He is a catholic layman, therefore, correct in signing off as Dr G Ashenden.
@@desireboezio9911he isn’t a priest. How did you think that?
He WAS an Anglican priest and he converted to Catholicism. But, now he is a layman.
It fills my heart with joy to hear people speak up so clearly and unequivocally for the the right to life.
"If my children want candy for dinner, who am I to judge." Brilliant ending to a brilliant episode.
No, you don`t tax your listeners. This is terrific stuff and very important.
Thank you for your kind and welcome encouragement.
It seems to me that everywhere now it is the separation of the wheat from the chaff. Even at the highest levels of the Church.
It is a difficult time and will get much worse but these times must happen.
That does seem to be a sensible reading of these very turbulent times.
God bless you all for your great work on behalf of his Holy Church.!
Thank you for your kindness and support.
In Egypt, the Israelites took lambs blood to mark their door posts and lintels so that the angel of death passed over them. Christianity believes that our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit, so when we cross ourselves, we are marking our "temple" with the Blood of the Lamb who died on the Cross, taking away the sins of the world.
This synodality thing seems to me what is ‘civic participation’ in the secular realm. It comes down to giving all kinds of activists and special interest groups a foot in the door, whereas ordinary people just don’t want to be bothered by politics, they want to lead their lives and be governed properly and justly. It leads to government by minority groups of activists in stead of the opinion of the majority. And what’s more: behind those activists are corporate and oligarchic interests. It’s cloaked despotism. And as for the Church: it’s an invitation to Satan and his hosts.
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Regarding prayer outside of abortion clinics being outlawed, to the point that the prayer and holy water is moved one street away, I think that's an opportunity to surround the area with prayer. If you can't march because you can't get a permit, then have strolls around the vicinity with the abortion clinic in the central part of the prayer square or circle or meandering path.
I'm reminded of the account of an Evangelical Christian organizaron that managed somehow to purchase an abortion clinic, which they planned to use as a pro-life pregnancy center. The day they received the keys, they gathered at the back door to begin prayers of exorcism. The door was one of those solid steel security doors, with solid working locks. It was locked and secured shut as they began to pray. Just as they reached the end of the prayer the door flew open. They entered the facility and continued praying throughout. I won't go into detail of what they described finding left behind, but it was terrible. Once they completed the exorcism prayers they began the clean up operation. As they left for the day, the neighbor lady across the street came to speak to them. She said that there had been a strange gargoyle above the front entrance to the facility ever since the abortion staff had moved in. She said she thought it was odd that a supposed health clinic would place such an odd decoration above the main entrance. But then she said that sometime after she saw the new owners enter the property, that gargoyle flew off. It had startled her, and she just wanted them to know what she had witnessed. It was at a clinic in the West of the US State of Michigan, so it caught my attention, because I live on the East side of the State. I think certainly that praying around the whole vicinity is helpful, because the people going in and out have to cross the path that's been prayed over. Of course it's best to be able to reach out to women who are going inside, and to offer them real options of support, but if you're denied that, then persevere in prayer. And like one of you said, who can tell the difference between holy water and unblessed tap water or bottled water, or even seltzer? If local government or law enforcement claim to detect that the water has been blessed, well that indicates demonic possession. Not that you could use it against them, but I suppose then you'd know who to pray for that they would seek to be released.
As always, 3 Hail Marys prayed immediately upon listening.
Thank you so much for this important discussion.
I really appreciate your work on our behalf!
Who ever thought we’d have to even discuss these issues,, God / Mary help us. Thanks guys 😀
My favourite time of the week on yt. Thank you all for being so eloquent and being able to say what I feel I can't put into words in defence of our beautiful faith and Mother Church xx
aaaaah ... so nice to bask in adult company, all your points thick with meaning and consequences, ... thank you. And briefly, total agreement with Dr G's catechism comments. Such a book could not be produced today.
Thank you for expanding the company and joining us here.
I listened to all this, and thank you from my heart. You have encapsulated many of my own thoughts and emotions, and of those close to me. It is beyond credulity what appears to be going on in the Catholic church- your points around Islam are very relevant here- it offers a clarity in a sea of chaos. That said, all we can do, is walk forward in faith, our Lord and master Christ walked the same road.
I suspect the conscience of women going to the abortion clinic are activated by those praying outside and they are actively denying the instinctive voice inside them and do not want to be reminded by those saints outside praying for the unborn. It does set up a tension, and possible guilt!
I think the issue of their consciences is central to what is happening; and this is not just a psychological matter, but a spiritual one as well.
What you are describing as happening in the Catholic Church is exactly what is happening in the protestant seminary where I have been teaching part time. It is all the same tactics and underlying anthropology, accompanied by turning away from sound doctrine.
I just heard a plug for you on Anglican Unscripted.
That's very nice of them I usually follow, I'll try to catch up.
Just subscribed. You guys are awesome. It’s amazing how much better Catholicism sounds in the high British idiom. This was an excellent discussion.
How about making it a safe space for the unborn children?
I would echo Joaquin Capiro's sentiments and others too. Also, the idea of "moving away" and getting under the radar is a fairly common theme in conversations between and me and my wife. The totalitarianism is suffocating for me in so many areas of life from work, social space, kid's school. Lots of treating the symptoms (poorly) and not enough root cause (respecting ourselves and others - interesting about the clarity around Islam!). This is great work you are doing! Brilliant points from all!
The best one so far (and a much more sensible length). Thank you.
35 years ago my wife and I decided to home-educate our children. Over the years we've seen how this choice has saved the sanity, and in some cases, the lives of many children. Some schools are definitely not safe spaces, especially nowadays. If I was a parent of young children today there is no way that I would send them to school. Sadly, for Gavin's neighbours in France, home-education is not an option. It was illegal, and remains so.
I think the hope is to crowd-fill the local schools in certain communities with both pupils and teachers.
Our Lady said that when Communism makes a comeback it is time for the triumph of her immaculate heart.
This by-law is specifically against Catholics and is discriminating, does this not breech the equality laws?
Some people (Muslims) are more equal than others (Catholics). 🐽🐽🐽🐽🐽🐽🐽🐽
Let us pray to Pope Saint Alexander VI and the other great devotees of the Blessed Mother. They will surely help guide the bark of Peter into safer waters.
Love you guys. Keep up the good work
Are we not we are seeing the realisation of the aims of the 'Frankfurt school'?
We certainly are. What is extraordinary is the worldwide success of the FS strategy.
Would you explain the acronym PAL, please ? I don't know about England but in Britany there are plenty of calvaries each being the occasion to cross...Hello !
Soviet Synodality: the Devil wants us to Discern our way to Hell.
Thank You for this.
I pray God sends his Holy Church a traditionalist Pope as the next Vicar of Christ. I truly believe most of the bishops that follow the current “line” promoted by the Vatican were moles placed on the the road to power many years ago.
We are all praying this with you!
The St. Gallen Mafia was behind Bergolio. He was their hand picked man.
I heard Cardinal Bernardin give the original seamless garment speech at Fordham University.
Ah yes, the seem-less garment, where abortion seems less than it is. Would that somebody would put a stake in that thing.
Excellent discussion.
It is hard to see any real difference between this "synodality" and the Americanist Heresy.
Quite.....
I went to the parish synod meeting and was told I could not attend again. I was not rude. What the leaders did not like what I said, as I asked for the Latin mass. I also pointed out that Christianty, Judaism Islam and Hinduism are incompatible with each other. Something that any proper Christian, Jew, Muslim or Hindu would agree. One of the central tenants of both Judaism and Islam is the rejection of Jesus as God. Hinduism rejects the notion of a transcendent God who is not part of the Universe. The synodal way is the blatant rejection of the truth that different religions are incompatible. The synodal way is the way of John Paul ll at Assisi in October 1986 who at that event definitely did not believe in the splendour of the truth. What we see in society is the result of Saint Paul's letter to the Romans (first chapter verses 18- 32). Society is blind because we want to be blind, so we can fulfil our worldly desires.
Meetings are the 10th level of Hell anyway.
I suggest we call them a Quanco instead (after Quangos)
Quasi-Autonomous Non Catholic Organisations.
Thank you……….excellent stuff…….
I can easily understand that a woman who is already under considerable stress might feel threatened and harassed by people making such gestures. The ban seems rather excessive, but it might be warranted if the situation was very tense.
You tend to be overly baffled by the compromise, silence and destruction being wrought: but isn’t it being done on purpose?
Fr Chad Ripperger for Pope!
Sin On, Oh Sin-Odd!
On point thanks
The Elizabethan persecution was very cruel but we need to remember that the Pope had issued a death threat against Elizabeth and that a Te Deum was sung in Rome on the news of the St Bartholomew’s day massacre in France. The whole issue was dominated by politics .
THat's true of course. The situation was politically complex; but I have been struck re-visiting the history as a Catholic how although the matter was presented as one of political necessity, there was no evidence that Catholic priests were fomenting insurgent uprisings... it was clear to the Government of the day that they were simply providing Mass for people who stayed faithful to the Church that had been in the Islands for over 1,000 years before this new state-led schism. Since they tortured all the priests they caught, they were not short of information. What began to astonish me was that it becomes clear (despite state propaganda) that the hatred was directed towards the Mass, and the faithful Catholics in a way that was disproportionate to any issue of national security. One might explain it as the over-reaction of a reason that was insecure about its own legitimacy, but the matter of proportionality still exists I think. It's not really a matter of tit for tat, as the history is so often presented as, but of an assessment of the intense hatred and fear.
@@DrGAshenden Not unlike the tactics & psychological manipulation used in the 1930's & 40's by Hitler, in persecuting the Jews (creating a perceived "enemy," and then prodding people to root out & destroy that enemy) 😢
It is far more complicated than you think. The Papal sanction of killing Elizabeth in 1570 was a response to her suppression of the rising of the northern Catholic earls in 1569 and the genocidal policies of her regime against Catholics in Ireland, as well as her intervention in the religious wars in France on the side of the Huguenots. The Massacre of St Bartholemew's day in 1572 was the result of a combination of factors, including the residual fear within the French royal family of a repeat of the Conspiracy of Amboise in 1560. Add to this 10 years of war against the Huguenot heretics, their sacking of churches, killing of priests, and desecration of relics and the Eucharist, the hot weather and 3,000 armed Huguenots in Paris, then it is not at all surprising that the Paris mob eagerly joined in what was initially a targeted removal of Huguenot leaders in 1572.
Yes, you're right. And Bloody Mary certainly worked hard for her name, too. : )
I am not afraid of the synodal process, however, the sin-nodal process is another matter. We can see that much of the church in Germany, for instance, is far gone, not Catholic, and in the hands of confused men at best and knaves at worst, but either way, it is not good.
So the synodal thing will allow things to float to the surface and allow it all to be seen. The church will then have to actually confront what has been secreted away in the hearts of many, which is to say it is an exercise of exposing realities. It will not be pleasant for those committed to the faith, but it will shine a bright light on what needs to be seen. After that I suspect a long and painful period for faithful Catholics, and those aspiring to be faithful Catholics. I suspect severe persecution among those "in the way" of "progress" unless the pope fixes it. It could be generations, it may be longer, it may be after an atomic war that devastates the earth. Let's face it, things in the world are headed in very bad directions: ZERO statemen in the world, massive genocide against babies for decades, rampant sexual deviation and perversion, tinkering with human DNA and other Frankenstein stuff.
'Heresies must exist and even abound. They are a probation to Faith' - Tertullian.
You might be interested in EWTN's Raymond Arroyo's recent interviews of Cardinal Mueller and Archbishop Schneider on the trends within the "synodal path".
@@soniavadnjal7553 I am sure the trends are not good. They're not good anywhere.
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Where does scottish independence come in under subsidiarity?
Maybe the reason young men are being drawn to Islam is that once they consider the state of contemporary young women, the guys yearn for a safe space where the rules of conduct are clearer. The tenets of Cultural Marxism find their greatest proponents and acolytes in the ranks of teenaged women up to around age 35 here in the States, and a lot of them, judging by their social media posts, are pretty much out of control.
This is very click bait prone. Be careful that you aren’t serving yourselves and the world. It is a nasty trap that is pulling you in.
It may not be a good idea to talk of the Church of England when discussing Anglicanism! 😀🙃
You may well be right.
The sign of the cross is illegal?
In a proscribed area in Bournemouth - constituting a safe zone around an abortion clinic.
@@DrGAshenden "safe zone" for abortion, God help us.
Rather misleading title, which suggests a national ban, rather than a very localised one.
Can any of you answer this: Why do you prefer to describe yourselves as "Catholics", rather than as "Christians"? Other friends of mind have commented upon this tendency. Personally, I try to follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who I believe was the God of Israel, embodied. Following his death, many of his most intimate followers testified that they had seen Jesus; and accorded him the title of Messiah ('Christos'): so I think the word 'Christian' is an honourable one. According to the late RPC Hanson (A Dictionary of Christian Theology: Ed, Alan Richardson), the phrase 'the Catholic Church' first appears in the writings of Ignatius, around 112 AD. Thus it is not a term found in our canonical scriptures: so why is it to be preferred?
Because while all Catholics are Christians, not all Christians are Catholic.
@@billhilly8143 I'm sorry; but not "all Catholics are Christians". Do some History of the Church. As Christians we have a model to follow: a man who 'reduced' the Commandments to two. THOSE are the measure of our 'catholicity': not membership of a 'club-church'.
Have thought this over from yesterday (after being irritated by your headlines click bait impact, straight talking here)
But anyway with your contacts, is there no one that can legally argue that crossing oneself is obviously not human communication! As it is between a human and a Deity (and in some circumstances is a warding off again, of an unseen entity).
Obscene gestures are banned , however this is a sacred and not a conversational gesture.
Unless the only argument now is "if it made someone anxious" which basically means that most useless and disordered amongst us have been given the unlimited power of Tyrants, that never ends well.
But l never understood why we don't have church bells anymore, or even when that happened, the oh but, then acquiescing ... Not with a bang but with a whimper ...
We need somebody to be 1) arrested and 2) tried (pleading guilty). for making the sign of the cross, ✝ and 3) sent to prison to call attention to Catholic persecution.
@@adrianjohnson7920 The sign of the cross is my number 1 "shield of faith" and yet it has almost fallen into abeyance amongst Catholics (except during Mass). It is literally the first thing l reach for when l first open my eyes in the morning, it consecrates and dedicates my day. It is how l reset my focus when self will surfaces.
We are truly in the end times when atheists call on the name of Jesus (for inappropriate emphasis) more than Catholics do in earnest.
Yes we need a test case with the defence l outlined as this ban is a smear and a boundary violation.
there is no sound on this video.
Yes there is sound. What do you mean? Must be your equipment.
Fortunately there is, - but you have to change browsers to access it? Sometimes this works to help.
Jesus is God .he said I and my father are one ..Jesus saves only him don't waste your prayers praying to anyone else