2019 Annual GWPF Lecture - Prof Michael Kelly: Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality
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- 2019 Annual GWPF Lecture
Prof Michael Kelly FRS FREng
Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality
London, 11 November 2019
Institution of Mechanical Engineers
Read the full transcript here: www.thegwpf.org/prof-michael-...
Extraordinarily compelling case is made for more rational thinking on climate change policy. Curious why this 2019 conference took so long to get posted. The rush to massively subsidized renewables has crippled and crushed both Spain and Germany with other countries lined up to follow. Note that China, who’s done nothing to reduce their carbon footprint is singularly benefiting enormously from providing solar, wind and rare earth materials to the rest of the world. Let that sink in.
It is increasingly difficult to have a civil conversation with climate catastrophe believers. I was all in 15 years ago in believing all the hype. The full court press by the media to propagate this climate hysteria only makes me ask more questions. Is it only propaganda? Is it truthful? Its it factual or opinion?
I look at the hypocrisy coming from our political leaders as they pretend to know the solutions on affairs they know nothing about is nothing short of alarming. The language being used to fight this boogeyman is getting more desperate all the time. Desperate people make detrimental decisions that have negative consequences. I hope cooler heads prevail and commonsense returns.
@@shelleyfairbrass1314 Good idea! I think I will do the same.
I think this lecture proves the climate change policy has the ulterior motive of restricting the energy usage of the masses with the effect of enslaving them with a lower share of global resources. This means the global elite can live rich lives with almost unlimited resources. Ordinary people are not going to like this, and will be persuaded to live smaller, colder, hungrier lives in order to ‘save the planet’.
At about 20 mins in, the Prof drops in the comment that - and I paraphrase - "no practical form of change is possible, with whst we understand now, in an acceptably democratic way. Short of War".
3 years later, all the prerequisites are in place. The irony is too thick to cut.
I don't believe in coincidence......
war is far more likely if AGW is not halted.
2019 Lecture, Nov 2021 posted to RUclips, 500+ views and zero comments at the start of April 2022, and it is profoundly important and extremely instructive.
We are in a GSM and the worldwide weather extremes are consistent with pause in warming out of the last ice age minimum, torrential rain and flooding and dam breaches and interruption of sowing and reaping of crops expected when water and clouds are understood to be major variables of surface temperature (and not CO2) while the increase in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions mirror those recorded during the Maunder and Dalton Minimums.
Regardless of long term planetary surface temperature rising, level or decreasing we get from this presentation that widespread nuclear power stations will be necessary as soon as possible and their construction needed to commence now.
The delusion that mankind is in charge of the climate is set to go the way of other barking mad errors like, the earth is flat, life spontaneously pops out of slime and ooze, disease is caused by really bad smells and combustion releases stuff called phlogiston.
Phlogiston was by no means a "mad" error. An error, alright, but it wasn't mad to uphold it at the time, given the circumstances. Just because successing theories appear to be 'closer to the truth', former theories don't become 'mad'. It's just anachronistically to claim this
The Earth cannot warm itself by its on chemistry.
own (my hands are cold)
@@peterharris3096 ?
I would use shorter sentences
As an engineer what a great presentation! 16acres and we could build a nuclear power station and produce 225 MW plant, in wind and/or solar we would need 60,000 and 2,500 acres of land respectively. I had to smile with his conclusions at the end, on the cost of investing in climate change , because he notes 'what about '...pandemics ...' 3mths later the world went into COVID crisis. And we are still in it economically 3 1/2 yrs later!
No mention of the problems caused by retro fitting houses with cladding and insulation that they weren't designed for. Ends up using more energy to heat and dry out the damp caused by ill thought out blanket schemes.
Also, tell me European society isn't rapidly deteriorating...
Europe is doing better than the USA. Higher standard of living. Better education. Less crime. Less violence. Better infrastructure. The US is a third world cpuntry compared to europe. Its a shithole.
Can anyone tell me why are we not doubling down on nuclear power to make hydrogen, which in turn can be converted to Methane, which would mean little or no major infrastructure changes and all cars homes etc could be run on it, methane is a far better battery than lithium and does not require the massive environmental damage to produce
And from Methane we can go to DME (Di Methyl Ether) as a substitute (higher quality) diesel fuel.
But:The powers that be don't want any real solution. Instead they want the whole western world to collapse in order to build their Utopia along socialist lines. This time there will be even more dead than 100 million from the experiments in the last century. 'Doing Good' lets them get away with bloody murder.
Sorry for the ranting. I got a bit carried away but that's how I see things.
@@jerankorak7997 Well that's perhaps why methane was suggested. In road transport as an example, Thailand's heavy trucks have had CNG for years, achieving major reductions in Diesel oil consumption.
@@philhealey4443 Interesting. I might look into that.
I've just been investigating. There is lot of material online for Thailand CNG in vehicles. The long term feasibility, energy efficiency and cost for making synthetic methane as an alternative to hydrogen or use of ammonia as a hydrogen storage medium however is another matter!
Excellent presentation.
PEACE AND LOVE failed, and now war and fear fail. What lesson can we get our of this? On which ever side we stand to be right when we give the image to be perfect; to be wrong and give the image we are perfect?.Both have the same type of results, just as much as tears of joy taste the same as tears of sorrow.
If we intend to create problems, even when doing so not consciously, we can surround ourselves with dysfunctions, and have our narratives and actions backfire: it is hard to appreciate that embracing positive perfection is socially and mentally harmful:; to agree and integrate this simple principle would see major interactive improvements.
Non-scientific Humanities are less and less available. Another aspect is that anyone good at maths, at exponential formulas, has the abstractive ability to deal with Philosophies. It does not help when Scientists want to give an illusion of total domination as was radical superstition in the past. Toxic gurus, of all kinds, use generic darkness when aiming at controlling and greed is a faceless part of the conditioning! It is not possible to remain positive without facing darkness, what psychologists call 'shadows'.
? lol
The audience resemble care home residents.
People who say that renewables can't support us are actually saying that humanity has no future, because the "oil tank" can't stay full forever, one day it will be empty, and if we start the shift now it will be easy but if we wait we give our children a big problem.
Interesting point about batteries, that density may increase only by a factor of three over next 20 years.
Censoring and lying
Always makes your point
The Tyrant one..
Open source for ALL to see,is a necessity of this world.
Accountability by the neck.
Is the following one.
We need to have presentations like this touring the country (perhaps a little dumbing down for those who are afraid of numbers) and getting the message across.
The net is full with this garbage. Most people realize that they are paid shills. Grifters mostly milking the ignorant gullible fools
37,00 physicists asked to present to congress but they were blocked!
@@terenceiutzi4003 no
@Aanthanur DC yes Trumps Daughter and Scott Pruitt asked the congress to hear testimony on how urgent climate change was. 3700 physicist asked to testify but they couldn't get one alarmist to testify under oath so the hearing was canceled!
@@terenceiutzi4003 they lied. They had no 37 000 physicist. Those groups cant even get 1000 scientists. Which is why their list of alleged 1000s of scientists is full of lawyers and pet doctors.
Of course this makes sense.
No it doesn't.
A little extra CO2 is a very good thing.
Without a doubt. The climate is not as sensitive to Co2 as the alarmists claim. Not even close.
But we dont do little. We increaEd co2 by 50%. Thats too much.
@@raymondeaton5692 and what is your evidence for that claim?
@@Aanthanur In August of 2022 the Journal of Climate Dynamics ran a comparison of all the pet models. Curiously the models that best forecast the climate were the least sensitive to CO2. Further, hit up Google Scholar with the search phrase "CO2 Enrichment".
I would argue that for solar and wind and etahnol, at least, it takes more fossil fuel energy to build, maintain and run devices than will ever be returned over the life of the devices. Think of windmills, for example, and the amount of concrete required to anchor them, the mining and making of metal, the drives to sites to maintain, the repair parts. Think of the pollution to make ev batteries and solar cells, and energy required if that pollution were fixed. The renewable advocatea don't account for much of the true energy costs of their pet projects. If we eliminated renewable energy now, fossil fuel use would decline, as well as total energy use. It would be the easiest win ever.
If I have to ask one particular type of Professional expertise to review our problems, Electrical-Electronic Engineering would be top of the Management. (Wave-packaging formation)
Prof Kelly is way above my head in his knowledge, but I can understand where he is coming from.
I have solar panels that I have installed myself, something like 2000 volts. storing the energy in car batteries that I purchased at low cost in a sale. But even where I have cut down as much as I can, second hand [panels etc, I would never say that it is cost effective. I get a lot of power outages. This is where it comes into its own. I can still use the internet ,and watch Tv, when my neighbours sit with candles.
Y'all better to go see: suspicious observers videos on RUclips.
Paramount to your survival.
Winter 2022/2023 = Extremely warm... rain instead of snow...
Doesn't matter whether it's cold or warm - it's weather. Where I am writing from in England today, it's minus 3 C...but it's weather. Last week it was so mild that we turned our heating right down...but that was weather.
Today California is in the grips of blizzards__ it's called weather
I live in New Englsnd. Many winters in my 65 yrs have been warm.
The English winter turned out to be typical (according to the Met Office's CET), and not "extremely warm". Last year it was 5.9 c and this year was 5 c. Average for the past 10 years is 5.37 c.
Oil pollution and the inevitable scarcity of this resource due to the diminishing reserves is the problem. Hiring the most aggressive cretins money could buy to keep control over the rest of the society, will only lead to abuses of power against the creators, the problem solvers, the successful entrepreneurs and the most productive people in the society which in turn leads to decadence if nothing is done about it. To solve the problem I propose the new capacity to organize in groups of commerce and cooperation that will use the clean, safe, abundant and inexpensive energy of water…vertical water displacement or the gravity buoyancy solutions!
Anyone spot the sleeping guy at 35:59?
Earth's greenhouse effect is the model of a system always in saturation. A system in saturation can not have any more effect with the addition of more of its active elements. All the greenhouse radiant energy from the earth’s surface is entirely absorbed by greenhouse gases within 20 meters of the surface to add 10°F (5.55°C) to earth's average temperature. After 20 meters from the surface there is no more radiant greenhouse energy. Its further heat transfer is by convection i.e. molecules bumping into each other. This is high school taught science.
The United Nation's IPCC science report makes it clear it is not discussing active greenhouse gas behavior when in the back of a 200 page report it declares it took its greenhouse gas samples at 20 THOUSAND meters altitude and only at that one altitude! This is a legal back stop to protect the instigators from prosecution of criminal fraud. It can be argued a reasonably high school educated person would know better than to accept the report as being relevant to global warming caused by greenhouse gases because by only sampling greenhouse gases at 20,000 meters altitude the report has made it transparent it is not discussing active greenhouse gas behavior or earth's greenhouse effect. Such legal back stops are common when misrepresenting products through vague wordings. Such items as a beverage labeled "All Natural Fruit Drink Flavor" might be discovered when reading the ingredients to have a statement "contains no actual fruit juice".
Noncondensing greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide can have a share in the greenhouse effect, but they can not change the overall greenhouse effect because it is always in saturation due to the strong greenhouse gas water vapor. At 1% average tropospheric water vapor 99-1/2% of earth's greenhouse effect is due to the strong greenhouse gas water vapor.
After global warming was rising at 2/10°C per decade in the 1970s and 1980s it suddenly paused in 1991 when global warming was reported at 1.1°C and has not gone any higher than that reported temperature as of 2022 when global warming was reported at 1.1°C. Global warming has been stalled at about 1°C for thirty years prior to 2022.
59 Comments posted but where are they all as only 20 available! Have they been deleted due to being rejected by the algorithm? as telling the truth!
So our lives are being run by algorithms?
Human lifestyle changes must include the termination of the cosmetics industry!
The GW models are hugely wrong. SEE Princeton atmospheric physicist William “Will” Happer (at YT two months and two years ago), who measures Estimated Climate Sensitivity to a CO2 doubling at a mere 0.5C. And other measurements, such as surface launched weather balloons (JRA58 adjusted for UHI) and you come to roughly supported measurements. Therefore, we’re close to saturation effects where adding more CO2 is globally BIGLY beneficial and the negatives…? Delusional.
” on global warming, the GWPF website has a banner depicting a short-term temperature graph that suggests the world is not warming." William Happer and the rest like Richard Lindzen get funded by dirty oil and coal to engage in lies to contradict what facts have been admitted by these dirty corporations destroying all life on earth.
We need a Guillotine Base justice system in public and with witnesses, televised open source for ALL to see.
Cleaning up the corruption in and on the system '$ , from the top down.
Accountability by the neck.
Keeping the data for future reference.
I would love to see the trials where you clowns try to show the science wrong.
But i guess you would just murder ppl based on your conspiracy bemiefs instead of giving fair trials. You conspiracists are beco ing a problem with this thinking.
Bottom line, we just need some common sense and for ideologues and corrupt politicians to stop lying and fearmongering.
And why is carbon bad? It has nothing to do with climate!
55:38 The John Christy graph/evidence/study has been debunked and Christy has admitted his data is flawed - see how easy it is to be fooled?
Maybe so, but he does say with that particular graph that even if the lines were reversed ... everything else he said in his lecture up to that point would remain the same (ie. climate change models do not solve humanities energy challenge (700 new coal burning power plants for west Asia - China belt project) and climate policy does not make sense economically)
I am informing you of the falsehood as you asked.
Quoting the Bible during a scientific lecture 😜
He used an analogy from an ancient story to make a point. Come on, I’m sure a smart guy like you can do better - why dont you attack his tie?
@@nicklindner2506 quite
Seriously, that’s your take away from all this?
You noticed he has a tie issue and you think I need to do better❓
@@nicklindner2506 what was the point?
Not a very diverse crowd. 🇨🇳
I don't know how you can tell that, they could have all sorts of viewpoints.
Who Cares?
@@peterr6988 Black people don’t care about this green bullshit; they’re not that gullible. 💩 FJB 🖕🇨🇳
What makes you think that? There were people of many different ethnic groups in attendance!