I didn't know much about the ECHR until I watched this video but knowing that the like of Rees Mogg, Farage, Braverman and their ilk wanted us out was enough to know that I should be in favour of remaining in the ECHR.
Yes citizens of the UK never ever give ECHR away. Fight to retain it. Never give the Tories or Reform or Farage the power to take away your working rights and human rights and place it with a severe watered down version of nothing.
Look what the Government has gotten away with so far. All those dead people that should still be here. Just imagine what these cruel hateful monsters would do to us if they got the chance.
@@grahambretman4010 Let's not go letting Blair and Brown off the hook, here. They were hardly champions of human rights or even humans in general, either. Arguably, not as bad, but guilty of at least attempting some underhanded, shady shit. My point is... I've forgotten my point... hold on... oh, aye. It was 'f*ck the lot of them'.🙂
The problem is a lot of people (Reform voters basically) see it as way to take away rights from those 'darn foreigners' and either don't realize that they will be losing protection too or just don't care as long as it hurts the foreigner too.
A very interesting and informative discussion: The ECHR is an essential, complicated and necessary system, it offers judgements on the wrong-doings of "law-abiding" countries, it should not be allowed to be tossed aside via a simple "populist" referendum, as was the case with leaving the EU under Brexit. If we want decent governments, who can be held to account for their actions, our politicians must ensure right wing charlatans in the political arena are kept in check and exposed as Shysters.
This should be wall to wall prime-time TV in the form of old party political broadcasts where it was a simul-cast. Everyone should watch this rather than being spoonfed lies about it. A truly wonderful podcast. ❤️
Thanks to both Alun and Max for this excellent summary conversation on the importance of the ECHR. Those who promote a view of this supra-national court as a dangerous meddling antagonist are simply interested in taking away #human #rights protections. Membership of the ECHR is essential.
without rwanda plan there's zero reason for anyone to even argue about leaving it, unless they have other plans that go against human rights. I hate that people are falling for farage's bait and now think the echr is controversial at all
So clearly explaiined Alun . Really good to listen to, and your book is fantastic too. This information needs to be spread far and wide so that people not only know, but also appreciate and value the work of the ECHR and how important it is for the UK to remain an active and positive part of it. Well done for this interview, Alun and Max.
it was great listening to what Alun had to say Max. It was enlightening. Downside of course is nothing Alun said will ever matter to the likes of Farage and co.
"Curses! That's another organisation (the Council of Europe) with 'Europe' in the name of which we are a member! Will this never end!!!???" Thanks for this very in-depth exposition, Max. I learned quite a lot.
I get it now. Hard wired Brexiteers would want an exit from the Council of Europe, because they would see it as an extra obstacle to the reversal of Brexit.
Brilliant Max! What a really interesting and informative interview. This should be compulsory viewing for all Tories and, especially, Farage sycophants. Whether the latter would comprehend any of it though is an entirely different matter.
It's the same as I said yesterday although I didn’t cover all of the 14 articles of the convention as thought would have made the comment too long so I kept it short. Drake has gone into more detail to explain to the public the importance of the convention. As I mentioned yesterday if the Conservatives had won the election they would have pulled out of the ECHR Convention and that would have had a detrimental effect on everyone you would lose your rights to a fair trial, and your rights to council whilst the wealthy elite see themselves above the law of the land and we are all peasants and scoundrels. It would mean that your employer could change your contract of hours of work from 40 hours per week to 76 hours per week because the Government pulled the UK out of the ECHR convention that would me as an employee you would lose all your rights. And this is what people like Drake need to get across to the public who believe in hypocrites like Farafe and extreme right-wing Conservatives who want Britain back to the days when you didn't have any human rights you didn't have a right to live or a right to one property or a right to have your say and a right for your employer not to discriminate against you because you was disabled.
@@kimwit1307definitely, his grift to become an MP may well come to haunt him. I wonder if he wasn't expecting to win? I imagine when it comes time for his scrutiny he'll find some excuse to avoid it
What a great interview and a breath of reality of what the ECHR and just how devastating and damaging coming out of the ECHR will be... Can you imagine not being able to return within a number of days of purchase or not being able to speak about something freely... Reform and some of the Tories want to leave just to control the narrative but all our businesses and relationships around the world would be damaged irrepairably just like the loss of £140billion a year from Brexit just on a bigger and wider scale
Ok it's not likely but imagine a world where you willing vote to give up your human rights and let Nigel farage decide for you what you can and can't have rights for.... seriously stop all this talk and shut him down. This is beyond insane to even consider, not leaving but giving up YOUR rights!!!
@@scottb32a the Tories and Farage wants the Government decide your basic Human Rights fro your freedom of speech Assembly to have any voice be heard free to council in the court of law to be judged by your peers(citizen) Right to vote and choose tour representative and freedom love and marry of your own choosing and freedom of you Religion and believes and and their Rich donors and Business owners big and small to decide your working hours and pay and the condition and the Safety of your work place because they will be making money from their friends that is their Aim to strip the majority of UK citizens their rights for the benefit of the few including them . love from very proud European and EU citizen.
The level of ignorance and complete lack of international awareness in the UK is quite scary. I had a pro Brexit teacher colleague, a science guy, who didn't have a clue that the ECHR had nothing to do with the EU. That's coming from a supposedly educated person that one would expect can check simple facts to base an opinion. Nope, no hope for the UK because there is no interest in "de-ignoratise" the people about basic international matters.
Educating people about what it's about will be the simple measure that will defeat Tories and Reform from unwisely getting us out of it. If they did succeed, then they would be voting away their own human rights
I rather like having human rights. I like that I cannot be tortured by my government(Police), I like the right to life. I like the right to a fair trial. and so much more. WE Absolutely need to stay in the Council of Europe and keep the European Convention.
Interesting the point about Switzerland and the ruling on the environment. It makes you think. Farage is very much against net zero, is he not? Maybe it's not the boats he's targeting with "leaving" the ECHR. 🤔
Makes you wonder if the Tories want out of the ECHR in fear being held to account by the ECHR for all of the rights they have removed - or intended to remove - over the last 14 years?! Slavery of compulsory work (Universal Credit), environmental pollution, inequalities, privacy, etc, etc.
@@eckie4679 Even if that were the case - I wouldn't like to even imagine the horror of what they would have proposed as the far right replacement to the ECHR.
Have a Trial period. For those Politician's who want to leave the ECHR. Conservative and Reform UK Ltd. To have all the rights guaranteed to them for One Calendar month. Preferably one in the winter months. Which one would they like to repeal. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
Good afternoon Max and all here. The name of the Tories and reform and extremists is Ignorance. Silly war against the European court of human rights. My first comment disappeared 😮
The supreme court uphold the rights they are legally required to, don't think for a moment that. I have been on the end of a number of human rights violations by the Government in several aspects and functions of society. This country is beyond a joke as it is.
I'll lay I stall out now Anyone wanting to replace the ECHR needs to create the replacement and get everyone to agree before getting rid of the ECHR. Otherwise it'll just turn into Brexit 2.0
No because she knew that she would be made a fool of because it is clearly stated in the act of devolution Scotland can’t hold a referendum without Westminster’s permission so she would’ve lost instantly if she tried
Quite the opposite. Its like saying you don’t need vitamins because you are healthy. The existence of this court and the Declaration acts as a deterrent to governments against maltreatment of their peoples.
I think the asylum policy in the ECHR is outdated and extremely impractical in this day and age where adversaries weaponise migrants as political bargaining chips but the ECHR as an institution is necessary. Reforming it is the way to go imo.
Fun fact: the ECHR has no asylum policy. It rules on violations of the European Convention of Human rights, which grants basic human rights to all. Like the right to a fair trial, for example. hich can be applicable to an application for asylum. Or the right to live, which can be jeopardized by push-back policies of border authorities.
Think his example of an abused tourist of an official from a member state is example of why the Tories and reform want to leave it to deal with the boats. It means if our border force killed or coast guard killed some refugees their family members couldn’t get justice
That's right it is. It was set up to stop a repeat of what happened in Germany in the 1930s which led to the murder of millions of innocent people and the start of that minor skirmish known as the Second World War. So long may it continue.
You need to remember that (a bit like the brexit vote) those friends, family and neighbours that use their democratic right to give up their own rights and freedoms at the same time are happy to take yours away too.
No reason for it to split UK politics. It’s irrelevant with Labour in such a powerful position. If Labour bring in PR, it should never be an issue again, because progressive parties get most of the votes.
@@thomasbootham2707 Evidently you’re not aware of consistent vote share in the UK. Even when Thatcher was getting three figure majorities in the 80s, the progressive vote was over 50%.
One of the most important cornerstones of our freedom and the rights we possess is the ECHR. These rights are far too valuable to lose and tinpot fascists like Fartage and hard right wing tory imberiles like Braverman. Individuals like these should not ever be a position to decide what the population of the UK should have as the fundamentals of the justice system. Our membership of the ECHR needs to be reinforced in law with a clause put in that membership is irrevocable.
I didn't know much about the ECHR until I watched this video but knowing that the like of Rees Mogg, Farage, Braverman and their ilk wanted us out was enough to know that I should be in favour of remaining in the ECHR.
Our protection is needed.
Alun Drake A Voice of Reason ❤
Now you're just repeating my comment 😂
very well done with this interview what a great catch
Fight as hard as you can to keep the ECHR please !
Referendum 😂😂😂 your Nigel 😂😂
Yes citizens of the UK never ever give ECHR away.
Fight to retain it. Never give the Tories or Reform or Farage the power to take away your working rights and human rights and place it with a severe watered down version of nothing.
Absolutely Spot on Well said Alun ❤
Look what the Government has gotten away with so far. All those dead people that should still be here. Just imagine what these cruel hateful monsters would do to us if they got the chance.
You mean the previous Tory government?
@@grahambretman4010and the people that vote for them.
They don't give a toss about the wellbeing of their fellow man/citizen.
@@grahambretman4010 Let's not go letting Blair and Brown off the hook, here. They were hardly champions of human rights or even humans in general, either. Arguably, not as bad, but guilty of at least attempting some underhanded, shady shit. My point is... I've forgotten my point... hold on... oh, aye. It was 'f*ck the lot of them'.🙂
Brilliant. Outstanding. Thank you Max. ♥️
This is a huge issue for a lot of important issues but in particular in relation to the Good Friday Agreement.
This was absolutely brilliant! Highly informative and great questions, thanks Max.
Alun's presentation on the ECHR, and its history and function, should be broadcast on UK national media as an important public information programme.
As a human, I’d like to keep my rights please
The problem is a lot of people (Reform voters basically) see it as way to take away rights from those 'darn foreigners' and either don't realize that they will be losing protection too or just don't care as long as it hurts the foreigner too.
I would NEVER have any faith in a Tory government to protect me
A very interesting and informative discussion:
The ECHR is an essential, complicated and necessary system, it offers judgements on the wrong-doings of "law-abiding" countries, it should not be allowed to be tossed aside via a simple "populist" referendum, as was the case with leaving the EU under Brexit. If we want decent governments, who can be held to account for their actions, our politicians must ensure right wing charlatans in the political arena are kept in check and exposed as Shysters.
Will ECHR be able to protect us against digital IBs. I was just wondering if you know??
@@craigedwards7062 The only protection against digital IBs is to carry out your own research and even then nowt is guaranteed..
This should be wall to wall prime-time TV in the form of old party political broadcasts where it was a simul-cast.
Everyone should watch this rather than being spoonfed lies about it.
A truly wonderful podcast. ❤️
Most Informative
Great Analysis
Thank you Max ❤
Thanks for this Max and Alun. 👍🏻
What a thorough and clear explanation ❤️
Adding a comment and a like, to boost this informative and rather timely episode. Thanks to the guest; i found this really useful 👍
Thanks to both of you! I really enjoyed that.
Looking forward reading the book.
Thanks to both Alun and Max for this excellent summary conversation on the importance of the ECHR. Those who promote a view of this supra-national court as a dangerous meddling antagonist are simply interested in taking away #human #rights protections. Membership of the ECHR is essential.
without rwanda plan there's zero reason for anyone to even argue about leaving it, unless they have other plans that go against human rights. I hate that people are falling for farage's bait and now think the echr is controversial at all
They will use any case of a failed deportation to call for leaving ECHR. There's no need for the Rwanda scheme.
Nothing to do with refugees, everything to do with removing OUR rights.
@@verystripeyzebraso the same old, same old.
sovietspaceship For racists, bigots and the gullible, it's Brexit all over again.
Exactly.
Great job informing more people about actual facts Max! Thank you!
Fantastic Interview thanks for sharing Max ❤
Alun Drake the voice of reason
What is it? What does it do? Why do we need it? Excellent interview Max. Top marks!
So clearly explaiined Alun . Really good to listen to, and your book is fantastic too. This information needs to be spread far and wide so that people not only know, but also appreciate and value the work of the ECHR and how important it is for the UK to remain an active and positive part of it. Well done for this interview, Alun and Max.
Excellent interview with Alun Drake. Learned a lot.
ECHR, the clues in the last two words - Human Rights. It's simples.
That was an excellent interview. Thankyou Max.
it was great listening to what Alun had to say Max. It was enlightening. Downside of course is nothing Alun said will ever matter to the likes of Farage and co.
Thank you Max, excellent. Shews how important that we protect our position within the ECHR.
Many thanks for posting this one, Max. Very interesting!
That was an absolutely awesome interview. So, so informative. Top stuff MR.
"Curses! That's another organisation (the Council of Europe) with 'Europe' in the name of which we are a member! Will this never end!!!???" Thanks for this very in-depth exposition, Max. I learned quite a lot.
Operative word being protection.
Protection from our protectors!
Thanks Max and thanks Alun. Very informative.
Those who would have us leave do so only because they both hate and fear being held to account & seek to have no law but to do as they wish unchecked.
Hi Max Good Afternoon Everyone ❤
This video needs to be spread far and wide.
Excellent this presentation including the timing.
I get it now. Hard wired Brexiteers would want an exit from the Council of Europe, because they would see it as an extra obstacle to the reversal of Brexit.
That’s what I immediately thought when I heard that.
Anyway thanks for flagging this up, Max. We need to have this conversation!
Afternoon Max and all here.
Brilliant Max! What a really interesting and informative interview. This should be compulsory viewing for all Tories and, especially, Farage sycophants. Whether the latter would comprehend any of it though is an entirely different matter.
Brilliant, thank you both!
It's the same as I said yesterday although I didn’t cover all of the 14 articles of the convention as thought would have made the comment too long so I kept it short. Drake has gone into more detail to explain to the public the importance of the convention. As I mentioned yesterday if the Conservatives had won the election they would have pulled out of the ECHR Convention and that would have had a detrimental effect on everyone you would lose your rights to a fair trial, and your rights to council whilst the wealthy elite see themselves above the law of the land and we are all peasants and scoundrels.
It would mean that your employer could change your contract of hours of work from 40 hours per week to 76 hours per week because the Government pulled the UK out of the ECHR convention that would me as an employee you would lose all your rights. And this is what people like Drake need to get across to the public who believe in hypocrites like Farafe and extreme right-wing Conservatives who want Britain back to the days when you didn't have any human rights you didn't have a right to live or a right to one property or a right to have your say and a right for your employer not to discriminate against you because you was disabled.
But Mr Gove said we didn't need experts anymore. Because he knew better (and they are still at it - Tuggenhat was just today)
The very fact farage wants the UK out is an indication we should stay in...also, do we really want to be in the same room as Belarus and Russia???
Maybe its time we look at how much money Farage had been getting from Moscow...
@@kimwit1307now that he's actually an MP (don't know what Claxton voters were thinking) doesn't he have to submit to scrutiny?
@@grahambretman4010 I believe he does and he doesn't seem to like it one bit. Wonder why?
@@kimwit1307definitely, his grift to become an MP may well come to haunt him. I wonder if he wasn't expecting to win? I imagine when it comes time for his scrutiny he'll find some excuse to avoid it
@@grahambretman4010 He will try his hardest.
What a great interview and a breath of reality of what the ECHR and just how devastating and damaging coming out of the ECHR will be... Can you imagine not being able to return within a number of days of purchase or not being able to speak about something freely... Reform and some of the Tories want to leave just to control the narrative but all our businesses and relationships around the world would be damaged irrepairably just like the loss of £140billion a year from Brexit just on a bigger and wider scale
Amazing everyone should watch this very informative
Excellent, thanks Max.
This was a great interview, thank you for this! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Really really good content Max. So informative. Please more interviews with people of this calibre if you can.
Fantastic interview, thank you!
Ok it's not likely but imagine a world where you willing vote to give up your human rights and let Nigel farage decide for you what you can and can't have rights for.... seriously stop all this talk and shut him down. This is beyond insane to even consider, not leaving but giving up YOUR rights!!!
Brexit. Say no more.
that is quite chilling ! Let farage decide our Rights , jesus
@@verystripeyzebra they need to learn a lesson from that
@@scottb32a yep.. remember it next time some suggest we leave or even we talk about it
@@scottb32a the Tories and Farage wants the Government decide your basic Human Rights fro your freedom of speech Assembly to have any voice be heard free to council in the court of law to be judged by your peers(citizen) Right to vote and choose tour representative and freedom love and marry of your own choosing and freedom of you Religion and believes and and their Rich donors and Business owners big and small to decide your working hours and pay and the condition and the Safety of your work place because they will be making money from their friends that is their Aim to strip the majority of UK citizens their rights for the benefit of the few including them . love from very proud European and EU citizen.
Mr. Drake speaks well and makes a good case.
Excellent explanation, Alan!
All you have to do is look at how the the Hillsborough families were helped by the ECHR
Spot on. YNWA.
Absolutely. There people would have been denied justice had it not been for the ECHR.
A very helpful explanation.
Thank you! Very clear and very informative 🎉
The level of ignorance and complete lack of international awareness in the UK is quite scary. I had a pro Brexit teacher colleague, a science guy, who didn't have a clue that the ECHR had nothing to do with the EU. That's coming from a supposedly educated person that one would expect can check simple facts to base an opinion. Nope, no hope for the UK because there is no interest in "de-ignoratise" the people about basic international matters.
Educating people about what it's about will be the simple measure that will defeat Tories and Reform from unwisely getting us out of it. If they did succeed, then they would be voting away their own human rights
Don't forget the same idiots voted brexit believing lies that the tories spouted 🤦🤷♂️
I rather like having human rights. I like that I cannot be tortured by my government(Police), I like the right to life. I like the right to a fair trial. and so much more.
WE Absolutely need to stay in the Council of Europe and keep the European Convention.
Thank you, very informative.
Absolutely brilliant video
Didnt the postal workers in the UK use the ECHR to hear part of their case?
Also when Farrage had that banking problem wasn't there talk that he might appeal to the ECHR? Though I may be mis-remembering that
What a good interview 👏 👏👏
Excellent interview
ROBESPIERRE MY GOAT 🐐
Interesting the point about Switzerland and the ruling on the environment. It makes you think. Farage is very much against net zero, is he not?
Maybe it's not the boats he's targeting with "leaving" the ECHR. 🤔
Makes you wonder if the Tories want out of the ECHR in fear being held to account by the ECHR for all of the rights they have removed - or intended to remove - over the last 14 years?!
Slavery of compulsory work (Universal Credit), environmental pollution, inequalities, privacy, etc, etc.
@@eckie4679 Even if that were the case - I wouldn't like to even imagine the horror of what they would have proposed as the far right replacement to the ECHR.
Thank you Very informative
Have a Trial period.
For those Politician's who want to leave the ECHR. Conservative and Reform UK Ltd. To have all the rights guaranteed to them for One Calendar month. Preferably one in the winter months. Which one would they like to repeal.
🇮🇪🇪🇺
This should be compulsory on the National Curriculum. It won't be though will it.!
Tx 👍
Only A tyrant would want to remove human rights from their own population. Telling that Farage is the one calling for it.
Good afternoon Max and all here. The name of the Tories and reform and extremists is Ignorance. Silly war against the European court of human rights. My first comment disappeared 😮
The supreme court uphold the rights they are legally required to, don't think for a moment that. I have been on the end of a number of human rights violations by the Government in several aspects and functions of society. This country is beyond a joke as it is.
Thanks
Thanks so much Deboorka!! Have a great Friday
Very cool guy
Great video max
I'll lay I stall out now
Anyone wanting to replace the ECHR needs to create the replacement and get everyone to agree before getting rid of the ECHR.
Otherwise it'll just turn into Brexit 2.0
😮😮
Critical thinking would be great to be taught in schools, investment skills, and morality with it's dilemmas
So, did Nicola Sturgeon go to the ECHR, within four months after the UK Supreme Court said that Scotland did not have the right to have a referendum?
No because she knew that she would be made a fool of because it is clearly stated in the act of devolution Scotland can’t hold a referendum without Westminster’s permission so she would’ve lost instantly if she tried
3 applications for every million. The fact that it's use is minimal leaves a question mark over its purpose.
BOT
Quite the opposite. Its like saying you don’t need vitamins because you are healthy. The existence of this court and the Declaration acts as a deterrent to governments against maltreatment of their peoples.
It’s wild how much is done on good faith. Plenty of bad faith actors out there.
I think the asylum policy in the ECHR is outdated and extremely impractical in this day and age where adversaries weaponise migrants as political bargaining chips but the ECHR as an institution is necessary.
Reforming it is the way to go imo.
Fun fact: the ECHR has no asylum policy. It rules on violations of the European Convention of Human rights, which grants basic human rights to all. Like the right to a fair trial, for example. hich can be applicable to an application for asylum. Or the right to live, which can be jeopardized by push-back policies of border authorities.
Why anyone would want to get rid of this,I domt understand
Hopefully the British soldiers can finally be prosecuted. Not one minute served. If you add it up Republicans spent 10,000 years in jail .
Look up 'the british army torture of the hooded men. Then look at the judgement.
Think his example of an abused tourist of an official from a member state is example of why the Tories and reform want to leave it to deal with the boats. It means if our border force killed or coast guard killed some refugees their family members couldn’t get justice
Unfortunately too many instances .....Enough said.
The ECHR is getting in the way of a Pure White Engerlaaaaand.
Liking your own comment is sad 🤔
@@JerryCans101 Jerry and the pacemakers. Take your hate elsewhere. If you don't like it here....
That's right it is.
It was set up to stop a repeat of what happened in Germany in the 1930s which led to the murder of millions of innocent people and the start of that minor skirmish known as the Second World War.
So long may it continue.
You need to remember that (a bit like the brexit vote) those friends, family and neighbours that use their democratic right to give up their own rights and freedoms at the same time are happy to take yours away too.
Why not taking BoJo and brexit to the ECHR?
No reason for it to split UK politics. It’s irrelevant with Labour in such a powerful position. If Labour bring in PR, it should never be an issue again, because progressive parties get most of the votes.
Tell that to the Netherlands and Italy 😂
@@thomasbootham2707 Evidently you’re not aware of consistent vote share in the UK. Even when Thatcher was getting three figure majorities in the 80s, the progressive vote was over 50%.
Alan Drake could apply to become a French citizen and he'll get his EU citizenship back.
Hi Jack, Alun Drake lives in Strasbourg....he is a manager at the Council of Europe🤩
One of the most important cornerstones of our freedom and the rights we possess is the ECHR. These rights are far too valuable to lose and tinpot fascists like Fartage and hard right wing tory imberiles like Braverman. Individuals like these should not ever be a position to decide what the population of the UK should have as the fundamentals of the justice system. Our membership of the ECHR needs to be reinforced in law with a clause put in that membership is irrevocable.
Something Starmer is using to hide behind like the race card .
Nope
What do you mean???