@@Patte-chan Yes, but that seems to be the full-on hard Brexiters utopia. You wait until someone points out the 1951 UN Refugee convention that we're signed up to which states that people have a right to walk into a country and claim asylum. Won't be long before headbangers like Lee Anderthal suggest leaving the UN.
I believe many of them do understand the consequences and intend to take advantage by becoming evermore right wing and attacking the vast majority in the country, anyone who is seen as different will be targeted, demonised, persecuted.
Oh they just have a kneejerk response to anything with 'Europe' in the title. Give it time and they'll insist this place doesn't geographically belong to the continent of Europe.
Well.... So many people think that the word Europe, are only EU. Those people are probably the same, who think that USA are all of North America. And that Finland is part of Scandinavia.
@@ai-d2121 From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague.
I find it fascinating, this unstated premise he's operating on that human rights in the UK are automatically secure because Brits are not like other uncivilized to need foreign surveillance. Meanwhile, I open a history book and read about Anne Askew (when they burned her at the stake, they had to carry her, because all her joints were dislocated from the torture) or The Fleet prison, where one guy was forced to eat food that had been dropped in a bucket that had some mange medicine for dogs and they put him in the tiniest cell they could find just to mess with him (he was very tall). His crime? Getting married. No trial, no nothing.
@@Sjb-on5xt There is no British Law Within the UK there is English Law and Scottish Law, Besides , English Law is not completely codified. It is heavily dependent upon case law, precedence and judicial rulings, What is considered to be "enshrined" is therefore not inviolable, unchangeable and written in stone in perpetuam and is thus malleable to say the least,.
@@Sjb-on5xt And those British laws would be changed the moment we're out of the EHRC when the next Tory gov. gets into power. You may not remember the 80s, but EU made us set up the organisations that then forced Thatcher's government to implement the protections we now take for granted, such as maternity leave and racial equality legislation.
@@Sjb-on5xt Clearly the ECHR laws offer stronger protections than our own laws, or certain people wouldn't want to be revoking us of those rights. Which other human rights will those politicians want to revoke in the future by abolishing or changing laws to suit their agenda at the time.
@@David_Bower It's part of the UK uncodified constitution beyond parliaments ability to repeal or amend to never cause harms to our freedoms, liberties or customs. If they do, you know where not to plant your vote at the next GE. Since when has it been a human right to rock up on our shores and have instant right to remain?
@@mementomori7825 I think we deserve better than this crappy lot. I am not impressed with any of them, right or left. They are turning this country into a country I have never known before, one that I can hardly recognise.
Lee Anderson says he doesn't want the ECHR as it was formed eighty years ago but our parliament still follows laws based on Magna Carta made eight hundred years ago!
Magna carta was repelled within months and in any case it didn't give any power to "the people", it just restricted some abusive behaviour from the King to the nobles and stablished a few check and balances Still revolutionary for the time but not the base for modern governance
I wonder how all those voters who voted for him as a member of the Tory party feel now that he isn't a Tory anymore. Should they not get to vote again?.
@@audreymcgready4329 They should indeed, He was very keen that anyone who did such a thing should see whether their voters still wanted them as an MP but of course it doesn't apply to him............
These people hate the thought of any one or any other organisation telling them what to do, whilst reserving the right to themselves to tell everyone else what to do..
@@octavianpopescu4776 which is shit. That's why it was made international so a nazi state could be challenged. I think that's why these arseholes want out
What about my human rights no we must keep ECHR for the sake of humans all over Europe and beyond that includes us Brits, not all of us voted for BRXIT.
Too right we didn't, and for reasons I have explained on numerous occasions. Brexshitters are prime examples of crass stupidity. We should be pursuing closer ties with our neighbours, not distancing ourselves and in so doing diminishing our human rights. We need protecting from the evil traits of our own government just as much as from foreign operators! We Need The ECHR!
The European Convention on Human Rights, which the Court upholds, was largely drafted by David Maxwell Fyfe, a British Conservative. I had to laugh at 7:00 when he said 'We can vote for our own government'. Yes, we can, because Article 3 Protocol 1 of ECHR preserves that right for us.
This guy was an MEP? Winston Churchill advocated for this at the end of WW2. advocacy which led to the European Convention on Human Right in 1948, well before the EEC the forerunner of the EU. Being a moron isn't a pre-requisite to be a Brexiter, but it does help.
They just know those voting for them are stupid enough not to know history so you can re write it. “I know nothing about anything, but them immigrants are taking over with pansy courts in Europe I feel”
We should build huge rockets to push Earth out of its orbit around the sun. Why should we be tied to the sun? It just holds us back. Let's break free and leave the failing solar system. Plucky Earth, striking trade deal across the galaxy and beyond.
All people are descended from Africa. All people are therefore foreigners. Not just foreigners, IMMIGRANTS. I demand that Britain's sovereignty is respected by all people being expelled from Britain immediately.
I used to work in a pub, in Doncaster and we had a specific table for these guys. Same places every night. We, the bar staff, had a special name for them. I can't write it here, but it begins and ends with 'T'
If the UK leaves the ECHR the government can do whatever it wants with its citizens and with anyone who wants to come to the UK. No one will watch their hands.
I think that's the goal. The Tories would like to treat the place like a medieval fiefdom where subjects are at the total disposal of a rich ruling class.
Nothing more than knuckle dragging footsoldiers, elevated far beyond their intellectual capacity, which unfortunately is a sign of the times and very scary !
Wow. Ignorance, arrogance and downright rudeness personified there. Who on Earth thought they were suitable to be given a sniff of being in office anywhere for anything? They wouldn't get through ANY job interview with attitudes like that.
How about if Scotland and NI decided to leave the "shared" british space since they do not share the brexit values of the little englanders ? ... oh wait... they may not :)
@@jameshutton3960TL;DR England isn't bad or the enemy. We (the rest of the UK) just always get what you want. Wall of text: Firstly, the OP is probably not attacking *all* English, only the "Little Englander" Brexiteers. I say probably, because I don't know their personal motivations, but there's a general understanding that the term "Little Englander" is a pejorative term to describe those among the English that still cling to the notions of Empire and still think of the other countries within the UK and the wider Commonwealth as little more than colonies. Added to that group since the whole Brexit thing started have been the rabid brexiteers and the... let's be kind and say "anti-immigration" crowd. That's who I would think he was attacking. Your mileage may vary, and you're entitled to your outrage, should you feel that way. Secondly "Most English don't have brexit values": Maybe not now. Maybe not even then, but of those that voted... Scotland voted 68% to 32% in favour of remain (that's enough for a qualified or super majority (two thirds of the votes), but not enough for an absolute majority (50% of the electorate (the actual number was 41.66% of all Scots eligible to vote, voted to remain)) with a 67.2% turnout. NI voted 55.8% to 44.2% in favour of remain, with only about 62% turnout. Now let's examine England: The English leave votes (15,188,406) comes within a million votes of defeating the remain votes of all the UK countries combined (to be precise, it's 957,835 votes short). Now the Welsh leave vote (842,572) doesn't quite fill the gap (115,263 short), so we can't correctly say that it was *all* England and Wales' fault... 😉 As an added aside, England (73%) and Wales (71.7%) had the highest turnouts in the referendum. As a nation, it's axiomatically true that the UK gets what England wants. I'm not saying that's unfair, or undemocratic, because it isn't. It's just a reflection of the massively different population sizes of the constituent countries. It's a simple fact that the population of England can outvote all other nations combined, several times over. The latest figures I can find for UK parliamentary Electoral Registrations are: England: 38,889,429 Wales: 2,307,877 Scotland: 4,028,717 Northern Ireland: 1,334,429 So the total non-English votes are 7,671,023. This means that England can outvote the rest of the UK 5 times over, with more than half a million votes to spare. Thirdly, the main point of their post, at least as I read it, was that it was a jab at Westminster for not allowing another Scottish Independence referendum. Bear in mind, at the time of the Independence referendum, we were told that only a vote for staying in the Union would guarantee Scotland remaining in the EU. There was a huge amount of fake news and misinformation thrown about during that campaign about how Spain would Veto Scotland's request to join the EU, because of it's situation with Catalunya. Which wasn't even true then, but since when have facts got in the way of a good dose of scaremongering? For context, I'm Scottish, and voted Remain. I have nothing against England or the English, in fact I lived in England for nearly 20 years (had to move to get a job), and now I live in Wales. I have huge problems with Westminster, however, and that's why I'm an advocate for Scottish Independence.
@@jameshutton3960Too bad they didn't show up to vote, then, because the only ACTUAL, documented indication we have is that most English DO share Brexit values... Hence dragging everybody out with them.
RIGHTY HOO, everyone should be allowed to ingest theyr sausages any old way ,any one day but should be banned to buy theyr sausages because of Brexit and due to Red Tape!! Makes sense to me . 😉
The brexiteers are trying to convince us that the echr and the EU are part of the same organization. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there who will believe them.
I guarantee that anyone who suggests the UK leaves the ECHR would be apoplectic lf they felt their human rights had been violated. Also, they need to be asked which human rights don't they want. Right to a fair trial, free and fair elections, right to not be tortured even during an emergency?
It's about a stable continent, where one nation cannot, in the grip of a rogue administration, abuse human rights and possibly destabilise the continent.
It is equally about a rogue administration being prevented from exploiting their own people, rather than an administration governing with the aim of doing their best to create a better country.
If the objection is that we are subject to rules and laws from "unelected" people then why don't they advocate we leave the UN, WTO and NATO? The Security Council isn't directly elected, neither are the WTO reps or the NATO reps. So, just leave then? If you're being consistent then why doesn't Anderson advocate for that? Possibly because they don't have the cheap, easy resonance of the word "European". On every case which involves the UK a UK Judge sits on the panel at the ECHR.
Really, I can't stand it anymore to waste even a minute to listen what rubbish comes out of those British politicians like this example.......no intelligence, no knowledge only idiocy......GREAT Britain? My foot!!
Why is this happening in a pub? My opinion for what its worth; keep it up and mo one will want to deal with the UK in a few years. "Oh you left the ECHR, did you? you don't believe in human rights? Sorry, we don't sign trade deals with countries that aren't members".
Their problem with human rights is that they think that only _some_ people should have human rights. British human rights for Brits, no rights for the immigrants. It’s rather sickening, isn’t it?
@@hughwilson-gm9bw Not much, apparently. You have the right to vote (the "right" party), to work 2 or 3 jobs to be able to keep your place, to go to the food bank, to protest if you do it very quietly somewhere secluded where there's nobody around and, freshly, to avoid jail by paying a couple grand if you weren't actually able to keep your place. Generous rights for better Britain, eh?
"it's in Strasbourg so it's foreign court..." The EU could have set up it's HQ anywhere, in any member Country. I wonder how difficult it would have been for the Brexitons if they had had to argue "we don't want our laws made in Bradford!" or complain about "all those unelected bureaucrats in Milton Keynes"?
The Taliban and the corruption of your fellow people from Afghanistan have done more damage to your country than the UK has ever done. Maybe if your country advanced 1000yrs in your societal beliefs then Afghanistan might get somewhere. Blind obedience to a magic sky fairy in the 21st century is just ridiculous
A referendum is a vote like any other vote. I don't get why people are so opposed to the idea of referendums. As long as the will of the majority is implemented, then it's democratic.
@@octavianpopescu4776"Perhaps the late Lord Attlee was right, when he said that the referendum was a device of dictators and demagogues.” Margaret Thatcher 1975
@octavianpopescu4776 Something doesn't automatically become democratic because it implements the will of the majority, the people have to be *educated* on their choices and the consequences. Additionally, a democratic decision shouldn't limit democracy or even harm it actively. If a majority of the people decide that a minority shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore, is that democratic? There's much more to a democracy than just the will of the majority.
@@_jpg People don't have to be educated. They have a duty to educate themselves. It wasn't the job of the politicians and one should never expect politicians to educate them, they need to do that on their own. It's highly unrealistic to expect politicians to tell them everything they need to know. Would you seriously expect the leave campaign to tell people about the disadvantages of Brexit? And if it is the duty of the politicians, why didn't the remain campaign do it? As for democracy... sure, there are rules to it, but at the end of the day the Brexit referendum was a vote to leave an international group of nations, not anything breaking the rules of democracy. Countries join and leave such groups/organizations all the time and in fact, more often than not, they don't even ask for the opinion of the people.
Not really when you actually read real history, not the British fairytales, what he did , black and tans 1920s to Bengal famine 1943 , one good idea does no make right decades of looting and pillaging .
@@pete_lind.......you are so right...I know of my own family’s experience of the Black and Tans.....by the way they were so called because there was a lack of uniforms after the 1st World War....so one part of the uniform (police) and the other half (army)...they were animals.....and what about the catastrophe that is the Middle East.....take a bow Winston🤮
Purely as a matter of interest, would leaving the ECHR not cause an even deeper division between Scotland and England? The countries have independent legal systems and whilst dragging Scotland out of the EU against the will of its people was one thing; telling them the UK Government has the right to remove them from the protections of the ECHR - that's something else. All that said, it's not going to happen. The Tories won't be in power long enough.
I want to reiterate that if the Tories abolish the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), it would give the UK Government unrestricted power to infringe on people's rights without any consequences. Unfortunately, many people have been misled by the right-wing media and newspapers and do not realise that leaving the ECHR would mean losing our rights, and there would be no one to hold the government accountable for its actions. Recently, I spoke to someone on Reddit who believed that the ECHR should be abolished because, in their view, it is only used by immigrants to stay in the UK. I was frustrated by this person's ignorance, as it is clear that the ECHR serves a much broader purpose than that. When I explained to him that if we were to abolish the ECHR, the government could make changes to the laws that would result in the loss of human rights for British citizens, he dismissed my concerns and claimed that it wouldn't affect us at all. I was blunt in my response and told him that he was an idiot who didn't understand the ramifications of abolishing the ECHR. If Sunak calls for a referendum before an election, I believe he will attempt to secure his position as PM and gain support from the Tory backbenchers, who also voted for Brexit. They may also vote to leave the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) due to their stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to opposing views.
The stupidity of Lee Anderson knows no bounds.
he joined Reform, so what can you expect??
It's not stupidity. He knows exactly what he's up to.
@@danielcraig4974he might know what he’s up to, but that’s probably all he knows.
@@Arltratlo He said he did it because his mother told him to. !!!! Say no more.
@@danielcraig4974no he thinks he knows what he's doing. In reality he's a useful fool of the likes of Tice and Banks.
Don’t worry it’s on GB news nobody is watching.
The trouble is their audience is growing, especially on RUclips. One can only hope OFCOM does its job or the money men give up on it.
The people on there are cringe.
Let's be honest, the scary thing is that many people are watching and believing it
it is the most popular news channel on UK TV. Its the only one that tells the truth
@@rickkarsan4491 hahahhahaha, good joke.
Oh wait, you were serious?
Let me laugh harder! HAHAHAH
Ah yes... let's join that elite and well-regarded group: Russia and Belarus.
Bullseye 🎯
More like North Korea I'd say.
@@EchoBeach501 Though North Korea is not in Europe.
@@Patte-chan Yes, but that seems to be the full-on hard Brexiters utopia. You wait until someone points out the 1951 UN Refugee convention that we're signed up to which states that people have a right to walk into a country and claim asylum. Won't be long before headbangers like Lee Anderthal suggest leaving the UN.
Like that bastion of democracy Ukraine?
They just don't get the consequences and implications of their position. Scary road they want to go down
These muppets believe in the kindness and benevolence of the ( ruling classes ) to look after their best interests.
I believe many of them do understand the consequences and intend to take advantage by becoming evermore right wing and attacking the vast majority in the country, anyone who is seen as different will be targeted, demonised, persecuted.
They just don't give a F
oh no they know the consequences. it just doesn't affect them. they can exploit the labouring class even more when we have fewer human rights
Just like Brexit.
ECHR is nothing to do with the EU🤦
But it has everything to do with humanity. That's disgusting ! /sarcasm
Oh they just have a kneejerk response to anything with 'Europe' in the title. Give it time and they'll insist this place doesn't geographically belong to the continent of Europe.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181if you read the DM comment section they already say that, that's how dumb they are😂
Well.... So many people think that the word Europe, are only EU. Those people are probably the same, who think that USA are all of North America. And that Finland is part of Scandinavia.
Next they'll campaign for our football clubs to leave the European Champions League
I simply despise and despair! This was a British idea! Winston Churchill was the instigator!
you can see what the UK and its policies are worth, nothing!
Written almost exclusively by British lawyers and it is has also been enshrined in UK law too!
No. He wasn’t. Au contrair.
@@ai-d2121 Au contraire Del-boy! He was!
@@ai-d2121 From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague.
Nothing new from these traitors
In the 1930s, Nazis said the same things. What's different is English instead of German. Well done Brittunculi! Make Brexit Great Again! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
He asked, what's the point of it?? Someone lock him in a dungeon for six months, no trail, no food and thumb screws...
My pleasure.
I find it fascinating, this unstated premise he's operating on that human rights in the UK are automatically secure because Brits are not like other uncivilized to need foreign surveillance. Meanwhile, I open a history book and read about Anne Askew (when they burned her at the stake, they had to carry her, because all her joints were dislocated from the torture) or The Fleet prison, where one guy was forced to eat food that had been dropped in a bucket that had some mange medicine for dogs and they put him in the tiniest cell they could find just to mess with him (he was very tall). His crime? Getting married. No trial, no nothing.
Dirty bastard would probably get a semi off of it
This has been the calibre of the government for the last 15 years. Absolutely pathetic and little wonder why the country is in ruins.
The Council of Europe is an international organisation with the goal of upholding human rights, democracy and the rule of law in Europe. 😮
Absolutely, but anything 'Euoropean' with this bucket of siiite is instatntly derided.
I despair for the the people who are losing their lives.
How stupid I am for thinking that having laws to help protect people from basic human rights violations was a value we shared with the EU.
We already have those basic human rights values enshrined in British law. Rights we shared with European nations involved in genocide.
@@Sjb-on5xt There is no British Law Within the UK there is English Law and Scottish Law, Besides , English Law is not completely codified. It is heavily dependent upon case law, precedence and judicial rulings, What is considered to be "enshrined" is therefore not inviolable, unchangeable and written in stone in perpetuam and is thus malleable to say the least,.
@@Sjb-on5xt And those British laws would be changed the moment we're out of the EHRC when the next Tory gov. gets into power. You may not remember the 80s, but EU made us set up the organisations that then forced Thatcher's government to implement the protections we now take for granted, such as maternity leave and racial equality legislation.
@@Sjb-on5xt Clearly the ECHR laws offer stronger protections than our own laws, or certain people wouldn't want to be revoking us of those rights. Which other human rights will those politicians want to revoke in the future by abolishing or changing laws to suit their agenda at the time.
@@David_Bower It's part of the UK uncodified constitution beyond parliaments ability to repeal or amend to never cause harms to our freedoms, liberties or customs. If they do, you know where not to plant your vote at the next GE. Since when has it been a human right to rock up on our shores and have instant right to remain?
The calibre of British politicians today is lamentable.
But on par with its population
Usually you get the politicians you deserve.
@@ab-ym3bf Sadly, I have to agree with you!
@@mementomori7825 I think we deserve better than this crappy lot. I am not impressed with any of them, right or left. They are turning this country into a country I have never known before, one that I can hardly recognise.
If you allow people like Boris Johnson & Liz truss to be leaders in power this is the result.....
Lee Anderson says he doesn't want the ECHR as it was formed eighty years ago but our parliament still follows laws based on Magna Carta made eight hundred years ago!
No, it doesn't.
@@asburystan Only very few Magna Carta provisions are still in law.
Magna carta was repelled within months and in any case it didn't give any power to "the people", it just restricted some abusive behaviour from the King to the nobles and stablished a few check and balances
Still revolutionary for the time but not the base for modern governance
When The Lee Anderthall left the Tory Party to join Reform he increased the IQ rating of both parties
I wonder how all those voters who voted for him as a member of the Tory party feel now that he isn't a Tory anymore. Should they not get to vote again?.
@@audreymcgready4329 They should indeed, He was very keen that anyone who did such a thing should see whether their voters still wanted them as an MP but of course it doesn't apply to him............
These people hate the thought of any one or any other organisation telling them what to do, whilst reserving the right to themselves to tell everyone else what to do..
It is about HUMAN RIGHTS!!!!!
As has been said before if you hate being stopped by human rights maybe you should stop
Yes, but they have BRITISH rights which are supposedly better.
@@octavianpopescu4776 which is shit. That's why it was made international so a nazi state could be challenged. I think that's why these arseholes want out
@@octavianpopescu4776 Rest assured, they will get rid of those too.
Brexit is like watching your favourite library being burnt down by people who cannot read...
That's a good analogy actually.
What about my human rights no we must keep ECHR for the sake of humans all over Europe and beyond that includes us Brits, not all of us voted for BRXIT.
👍👏👏
Too right we didn't, and for reasons I have explained on numerous occasions. Brexshitters are prime examples of crass stupidity. We should be pursuing closer ties with our neighbours, not distancing ourselves and in so doing diminishing our human rights. We need protecting from the evil traits of our own government just as much as from foreign operators! We Need The ECHR!
Lee Anderson really is that stupid.
so, what to make of those who voted for him, yeah?
Meeting of no minds!!
There's mince then there is Lee Anderson! 🤦🤡
There is mince, there are two short planks, then there is 5 miles of pig shit and then there is the Lee Anderthal.
The European Convention on Human Rights, which the Court upholds, was largely drafted by David Maxwell Fyfe, a British Conservative.
I had to laugh at 7:00 when he said 'We can vote for our own government'. Yes, we can, because Article 3 Protocol 1 of ECHR preserves that right for us.
But you're missing the point, they don't want us to be able to vote, unless it's Tory
Until now, yes he can ... once ECHR is away, not sure ...
So, lets leave the UN, NATO, UNESCO, WWF... actually anywhere that has its HQ in a place other than the UK.
and FIFA and UEFA, please leave this too
At least England. You can leave Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland there. ;-)
I've seen brexiteers state they want that. Seriously.
UK is a joke of a country at this point.
This guy was an MEP? Winston Churchill advocated for this at the end of WW2. advocacy which led to the European Convention on Human Right in 1948, well before the EEC the forerunner of the EU. Being a moron isn't a pre-requisite to be a Brexiter, but it does help.
They just know those voting for them are stupid enough not to know history so you can re write it. “I know nothing about anything, but them immigrants are taking over with pansy courts in Europe I feel”
While we are about it we should leave the United Nations because it is based in America!! Help!
While we're about we should leave the WHO if their new treaty is passed.
Nah, you liberals are too fucking soft. I ain’t sharing my air with anyone on this planet. Fuck sharing. Let’s leave the planet.
We should build huge rockets to push Earth out of its orbit around the sun. Why should we be tied to the sun? It just holds us back. Let's break free and leave the failing solar system. Plucky Earth, striking trade deal across the galaxy and beyond.
All people are descended from Africa. All people are therefore foreigners. Not just foreigners, IMMIGRANTS. I demand that Britain's sovereignty is respected by all people being expelled from Britain immediately.
@@Sjb-on5xt oh yes? What treaty would that be?
Bang on the Money Thanks Max ❤
They live amongst us.
I used to work in a pub, in Doncaster and we had a specific table for these guys. Same places every night. We, the bar staff, had a special name for them. I can't write it here, but it begins and ends with 'T'
That guy sets a good example as to why we need to stay in the ECHR
07:00 how did anyone this this nugget, "We can vote for our own government", yes because it's protected by the ECHR.
What ever 52% may have voted for in 2016 is ancient history. Most now wish they hadn’t voted brexit at all.
52% of those that voted! Abstentions should have counted as remain votes.
17.4 million is not 52% of the 56 million elegible voters
17.4 million is roughly 33% of the voting public.
Still sore losers 😂
@@petermack8398 We're all the losers. You people just don't understand it!
You people 🤣
God, and these people call us idiots.
They know exactly the consequences they and their backers want but they want us to believe it will be for our benefit, not theirs
Indeed, and they laugh and cheer every time, somebody calls them stupid and incompetent!
None so blind as those that refuse to see!
English newspaper headline: "Storm in the Chanel. The Continent is isolated!"...
"it was 80 years ago..." Yeah, so was the end of the second world war, but somehow that is still relevant to the same clowns.
They have to strawman because they have nothing else.
The Torries are that much desperated... they are just looking for ways to leave nothing but spoiled earth on their way out.
It really is like me down my local Spoons. Like talking to planks!
These two old people are afraid of freedom. These two old people are afraid of the glimpse of freedom!🤦♀️
If the UK leaves the ECHR the government can do whatever it wants with its citizens and with anyone who wants to come to the UK. No one will watch their hands.
They wouldn't even need to bother with the hassle of elections.
I think that's the goal. The Tories would like to treat the place like a medieval fiefdom where subjects are at the total disposal of a rich ruling class.
There’s nothing thicker that a thick Brummy
Nothing more than knuckle dragging footsoldiers, elevated far beyond their intellectual capacity, which unfortunately is a sign of the times and very scary !
Problem is they duped the masses along with help from the right wing media! Sad to see
The lights are on but nobody's home.
Well said Matthew A Voice of Reason ❤
It's always fun when the elite talk about the elite
The Pirates of the Cayman Islands have their eyes on whats left of the UK.
In answer to your pleading question about Lee Anderson, the answer is a resounding YES !
Wow. Ignorance, arrogance and downright rudeness personified there.
Who on Earth thought they were suitable to be given a sniff of being in office anywhere for anything?
They wouldn't get through ANY job interview with attitudes like that.
I just can't watch this level of stupidity 😢
Lol. I didn't expect that Anderson ya muppet. 😂😂😂
No wonder that guy is sitting as far away as he is.
he dint want to catch stupid seems to be going round the tories lol
How about if Scotland and NI decided to leave the "shared" british space since they do not share the brexit values of the little englanders ?
... oh wait... they may not :)
Most English don't have brexit values. But by attacking all English you do share those brexit values of intolerance
@@jameshutton3960TL;DR England isn't bad or the enemy. We (the rest of the UK) just always get what you want.
Wall of text:
Firstly, the OP is probably not attacking *all* English, only the "Little Englander" Brexiteers.
I say probably, because I don't know their personal motivations, but there's a general understanding that the term "Little Englander" is a pejorative term to describe those among the English that still cling to the notions of Empire and still think of the other countries within the UK and the wider Commonwealth as little more than colonies. Added to that group since the whole Brexit thing started have been the rabid brexiteers and the... let's be kind and say "anti-immigration" crowd. That's who I would think he was attacking. Your mileage may vary, and you're entitled to your outrage, should you feel that way.
Secondly "Most English don't have brexit values": Maybe not now. Maybe not even then, but of those that voted...
Scotland voted 68% to 32% in favour of remain (that's enough for a qualified or super majority (two thirds of the votes), but not enough for an absolute majority (50% of the electorate (the actual number was 41.66% of all Scots eligible to vote, voted to remain)) with a 67.2% turnout. NI voted 55.8% to 44.2% in favour of remain, with only about 62% turnout.
Now let's examine England: The English leave votes (15,188,406) comes within a million votes of defeating the remain votes of all the UK countries combined (to be precise, it's 957,835 votes short).
Now the Welsh leave vote (842,572) doesn't quite fill the gap (115,263 short), so we can't correctly say that it was *all* England and Wales' fault... 😉
As an added aside, England (73%) and Wales (71.7%) had the highest turnouts in the referendum.
As a nation, it's axiomatically true that the UK gets what England wants.
I'm not saying that's unfair, or undemocratic, because it isn't. It's just a reflection of the massively different population sizes of the constituent countries.
It's a simple fact that the population of England can outvote all other nations combined, several times over.
The latest figures I can find for UK parliamentary Electoral Registrations are:
England: 38,889,429
Wales: 2,307,877
Scotland: 4,028,717
Northern Ireland: 1,334,429
So the total non-English votes are 7,671,023. This means that England can outvote the rest of the UK 5 times over, with more than half a million votes to spare.
Thirdly, the main point of their post, at least as I read it, was that it was a jab at Westminster for not allowing another Scottish Independence referendum. Bear in mind, at the time of the Independence referendum, we were told that only a vote for staying in the Union would guarantee Scotland remaining in the EU. There was a huge amount of fake news and misinformation thrown about during that campaign about how Spain would Veto Scotland's request to join the EU, because of it's situation with Catalunya. Which wasn't even true then, but since when have facts got in the way of a good dose of scaremongering?
For context, I'm Scottish, and voted Remain. I have nothing against England or the English, in fact I lived in England for nearly 20 years (had to move to get a job), and now I live in Wales. I have huge problems with Westminster, however, and that's why I'm an advocate for Scottish Independence.
@@jameshutton3960Too bad they didn't show up to vote, then, because the only ACTUAL, documented indication we have is that most English DO share Brexit values... Hence dragging everybody out with them.
@@MrSpleenboy Well said. You saved me answering, thank you.
Saor Alba 2024.
Get rid of ECHR and I would favour UDI for Scotland
Quite right, I won't stand for the ECHR telling me I can't ingest my sausages through my colon.
RIGHTY HOO, everyone should be allowed to ingest theyr sausages any old way ,any one day but should be banned to buy theyr sausages because of Brexit and due to Red Tape!! Makes sense to me . 😉
Where was the part in the brexit vote, to leave human rights?
The brexiteers are trying to convince us that the echr and the EU are part of the same organization. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there who will believe them.
Right next to the bit about leaving the single market.
right of freedom of movement, right to trade goods? same vote
Inside, I'm screaming "Help! HELP!"
Dear god....🤦♀️
Thank you Max ❤
Aren't they aware of the role of Sir David Maxwell-Fyffe KC and Winston Churchill in actually setting up the ECHR?
I guarantee that anyone who suggests the UK leaves the ECHR would be apoplectic lf they felt their human rights had been violated.
Also, they need to be asked which human rights don't they want. Right to a fair trial, free and fair elections, right to not be tortured even during an emergency?
I know that was a rhetorical question but obviously, the first rights to go are those of immigrants
They mean other people's human rights.
That guy would need to stay out of the burger bar more often than try to string an argument against the ECHR.
Please do.Another plot turn in the Brexit soap.
"Brexitannia.The pariah state"
I love it.
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It's about a stable continent, where one nation cannot, in the grip of a rogue administration, abuse human rights and possibly destabilise the continent.
It is equally about a rogue administration being prevented from exploiting their own people, rather than an administration governing with the aim of doing their best to create a better country.
I am deeply disturbed that these ignorant people have a voice.
The preservation of freedom is paramount.
Humanity depends on it!
We must be better!🤦♀️
If the objection is that we are subject to rules and laws from "unelected" people then why don't they advocate we leave the UN, WTO and NATO? The Security Council isn't directly elected, neither are the WTO reps or the NATO reps. So, just leave then? If you're being consistent then why doesn't Anderson advocate for that? Possibly because they don't have the cheap, easy resonance of the word "European".
On every case which involves the UK a UK Judge sits on the panel at the ECHR.
Well said Matthew!👍
Did someone remove his brain through his nose? Sounds like it.
They tried to but found nothing but empty space and a thick plank
Indeed! Both of these two are bonkers!
Yet again scotland will be told to what'd England votes for
Really, I can't stand it anymore to waste even a minute to listen what rubbish comes out of those British politicians like this example.......no intelligence, no knowledge only idiocy......GREAT Britain? My foot!!
Why is this happening in a pub? My opinion for what its worth; keep it up and mo one will want to deal with the UK in a few years. "Oh you left the ECHR, did you? you don't believe in human rights? Sorry, we don't sign trade deals with countries that aren't members".
Their problem with human rights is that they think that only _some_ people should have human rights. British human rights for Brits, no rights for the immigrants. It’s rather sickening, isn’t it?
They don't even believe in human rights for brits either!
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If Brits trust the elite with their human rights, then let it be. Brexit 2.0
@@hughwilson-gm9bw Not much, apparently. You have the right to vote (the "right" party), to work 2 or 3 jobs to be able to keep your place, to go to the food bank, to protest if you do it very quietly somewhere secluded where there's nobody around and, freshly, to avoid jail by paying a couple grand if you weren't actually able to keep your place. Generous rights for better Britain, eh?
@@vencik_krpo yes very true but what rights the British have left will be taken away if we leave the ECHR.
"it's in Strasbourg so it's foreign court..." The EU could have set up it's HQ anywhere, in any member Country. I wonder how difficult it would have been for the Brexitons if they had had to argue "we don't want our laws made in Bradford!" or complain about "all those unelected bureaucrats in Milton Keynes"?
Except that the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.....
@@normanchristie4524 you are correct and its was based in Strasbourg because it is seen as the centre of Europe.
the echr helped the people from hillsborough disaster get justice
“Pain, suffering, and death I feel. ...
No human rights for one, no human rights for anyone.
It's all about taking away workers rights and give corporations free run etc... etc...
I’m willing to go up into space and not come back!🤦♀️
The British truly destroyed themselves😂as an Afghan after destroying Afghanistan I couldn't care less.
The Taliban and the corruption of your fellow people from Afghanistan have done more damage to your country than the UK has ever done. Maybe if your country advanced 1000yrs in your societal beliefs then Afghanistan might get somewhere. Blind obedience to a magic sky fairy in the 21st century is just ridiculous
Because it has the word europe in it. What they mean is want ordinary people to get shafted
A Brexiteer AND 30p Lee! Wow! What a lethal combination!
God fkn forbid!
its will be soon that you can sell a village with its people inside, because your king likes it this way...
Its really, getting bad,in England , every one , is screwed , Scotland run run now,
An international court protecting Brits from their own government... are you mad?! we can't have that!
We DEMAND elections, NOT referendums.
A referendum is a vote like any other vote. I don't get why people are so opposed to the idea of referendums. As long as the will of the majority is implemented, then it's democratic.
@@octavianpopescu4776"Perhaps the late Lord Attlee was right, when he said that the referendum was a device of dictators and demagogues.”
Margaret Thatcher 1975
@octavianpopescu4776 Something doesn't automatically become democratic because it implements the will of the majority, the people have to be *educated* on their choices and the consequences.
Additionally, a democratic decision shouldn't limit democracy or even harm it actively. If a majority of the people decide that a minority shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore, is that democratic?
There's much more to a democracy than just the will of the majority.
@@_jpg People don't have to be educated. They have a duty to educate themselves. It wasn't the job of the politicians and one should never expect politicians to educate them, they need to do that on their own. It's highly unrealistic to expect politicians to tell them everything they need to know. Would you seriously expect the leave campaign to tell people about the disadvantages of Brexit? And if it is the duty of the politicians, why didn't the remain campaign do it?
As for democracy... sure, there are rules to it, but at the end of the day the Brexit referendum was a vote to leave an international group of nations, not anything breaking the rules of democracy. Countries join and leave such groups/organizations all the time and in fact, more often than not, they don't even ask for the opinion of the people.
He basically sees it as another way of getting rid of foreigners. Just like throwing away freedom of movement. Well said
is it just because it has the word European in it perchance?
Yep too many morons think the word Europe means the EU. Mind half of them couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map let alone Europe
Did you know that UEFA is a FRENCH name and it translates as the EUROPEAN UNION of Football Associations? England should leave UEFA immediately.
@@octavianpopescu4776 if that isn't sarcasm you should lose anything that in arses a brain
Do they appreciate that we are European?!
@@normanchristie4524 no they don't. They think like that headline. "Fog in the channel, continent cut off"!
Should ask those who want to withdraw from ECHR which specific Protocols they do not think should apply to UK citizens.
Thicker than a Submarine door !
Frightening
Winston Churchill would be turning in his grave !
rotating!
150.000rpm
Not really when you actually read real history, not the British fairytales, what he did , black and tans 1920s to Bengal famine 1943 , one good idea does no make right decades of looting and pillaging .
@@pete_lind.......you are so right...I know of my own family’s experience of the Black and Tans.....by the way they were so called because there was a lack of uniforms after the 1st World War....so one part of the uniform (police) and the other half (army)...they were animals.....and what about the catastrophe that is the Middle East.....take a bow Winston🤮
WC would be turning and doing triple somersaults if he knew what the ECHR had become.
@@pete_linddoesn’t change the fact that he was pro European and advocated for a United States of Europe, because he knew Britain alone was weak.
Nowadays, countries seem to
be ruled by conspiracy theorists
It's just because there's "European" in the name.
Headbangers all ! .Saints preserve us .
The human rights of immigrants go first, then the rest.
Re: 1930s Germany
Purely as a matter of interest, would leaving the ECHR not cause an even deeper division between Scotland and England?
The countries have independent legal systems and whilst dragging Scotland out of the EU against the will of its people was one thing; telling them the UK Government has the right to remove them from the protections of the ECHR - that's something else.
All that said, it's not going to happen. The Tories won't be in power long enough.
Its a case of only accepting the 'ruling' we agree with...!
Do you trust the current Tories/Reform to maintain your/my human rights? That's why we need ECHR membership
I'm always baffled when the elite bang on about the elite.
Elite = anyone who knows words longer than 6 letters.
I want to reiterate that if the Tories abolish the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), it would give the UK Government unrestricted power to infringe on people's rights without any consequences. Unfortunately, many people have been misled by the right-wing media and newspapers and do not realise that leaving the ECHR would mean losing our rights, and there would be no one to hold the government accountable for its actions.
Recently, I spoke to someone on Reddit who believed that the ECHR should be abolished because, in their view, it is only used by immigrants to stay in the UK. I was frustrated by this person's ignorance, as it is clear that the ECHR serves a much broader purpose than that. When I explained to him that if we were to abolish the ECHR, the government could make changes to the laws that would result in the loss of human rights for British citizens, he dismissed my concerns and claimed that it wouldn't affect us at all. I was blunt in my response and told him that he was an idiot who didn't understand the ramifications of abolishing the ECHR.
If Sunak calls for a referendum before an election, I believe he will attempt to secure his position as PM and gain support from the Tory backbenchers, who also voted for Brexit. They may also vote to leave the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) due to their stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to opposing views.
They didn't care about things being from 80 years ago when they designed that ugly pub set.