if the $$$ bag that MS gives to the developers to put their games on GamePass covers all potential game sale or more, then i dont see an issue here. For example, if the game was going to sell 500K copies of their game and MS pays them the amount of what 500K copies is worth, the developer still makes money. No issue here lol
I think MS' long-term plan is to acquire Netflix (after the ABK deal closes) and create a $50 tier that replaces the current $15 GP Ultimate tier. It will include Netflix/GP Ultimate. They increase the price, but they disguise that increase by giving you more value in the form of movies/tv shows.
With all of gaming jumping up to $70 per title, Game Pass is easily the most consumer-friendly service out there. It may or not be financially sustainable for Microsoft in the long run (only time will tell), but for now, I can say without hesitation that it’s financially sustainable for me. 😆
Consumer friendly doesn't just mean cheap. Quality suffers under this model. I'd rather pay a bit more for good games than a small fee for a mountain of trash. We aren't there yet, but how will Xbox fund future projects? Daddy MS can't cover them forever.
@@airdrighmor1439 True, but like I said, for now it’s a great deal. Stuff like Vampire Survivors, which I’m currently addicted to, I would’ve never even given a second look if Game Pass didn’t offer it. I totally skipped the Xbox One in favor of the PS4, so even going back and checking out a bunch of first-and-second-party Microsoft games I missed has been fun.
It makes sense that sales would go down for games put on gameness. But for a lot of these games when it comes to me, I would have never even bought them in the first place if it wasn’t for gamepass. So I guess if it’s a low budget game or a first time breakout game it should be on gamepass since it’s guaranteed to have people play it.
The issue with that statement is I don’t think they ever say for what games. And obviously if it was a huge issue wo long and other wouldn’t get put on there day one. So it would be interesting to see if it’s 1st party games or all games. Bc devs have come out and said other wise for games they had on game pass so who knows
I'm not a publisher so I have no idea how this benefits publishers or how it would be sustainable in the long run but Gamepass has been a godsend for me I'm saving so much money and playing so many games I would have never bought so many awesome indie games being made and lots of big games coming this year Recently started playing age of empires 2 and looking forward to Atomic Heart, Wo long fallen dynasty, Redfall and Starfield so yeah it benefits me
Those are average games lol. Ok maybe some are good'ish but not great. They are budget-rack games lol. Starfield we don't know of it will be good and redfall is generic xbox shooter number 937373. Go borrow a PS5 from a friend and play it for a month or 3-6 with some of their premium games and you'll never look back. You're wasting time with xbox, and that's coming from an ex xbox player who switched camps. It's just lacking quality big time. Plus PlayStation has PlayStation Now. Which is a service similar to Gamepass. It has loads of games including indie games but also AAA games, i wonder why xbox players don't even know this lol.
@@deyh5664played atomic heart on ps5 recently and got the platinum. Very average game for sure but combat wasn’t all to bad. Cutscenes and voice acting were cringe asf though. Starfiled definitely is way worse then atomic though and an abysmal of an exclusive
As someone that Just got a Series S and fairly limited funds, gamepass has been great for me since alot of $70 games will be on there which i can't afford. It eventually lets me make up my mind to purchase it later anyways
@@iftycent8 there are plenty of games that you may not like that other people do that come out on games pass. He didn't say every game would be on it. But personally, I was thrilled when something like dragon quest eleven came out. And I purchased it before it left. Keep your negativity to yourself.
@@gobosox2080 Where was @iftycent8 being negative? It was a valid comment because while you may not share what the question was asking, there are people that are thinking that some AAA titles will end up day & date on Gamepass. I don't speak for the community, but somebody out there probably has their fingers crossed that a game like Starfield will be out on Gamepass to avoid paying the $70 price point.
@@nonamer29 he was being negative because the original statement never said anything about third party games, just seventy dollar games. Who cares if hogwarts does or doesn't come to game pass. That's not what the post was about.
@@gobosox2080 Alot of $70 titles could cover AAA 3rd party games though. Again, you may not subscribe to the idea of a game like Hogwarts Legacy going to Gamepass or not, but there are a group of people that have invested in Gamepass with the hope of something like that happening.
Phil Spencer was really thinking we were retarded enough to pay 10 dollars a month for a service, and pay full price at the same time for a game that is on the Game Pass. Of course it's gonna tank the sales. Business-wise, Microsoft/Xbox is playing a really weird game (no pun intended). The problem is that we are now getting games that are ok-ish for 10 dollars, but a total scandal for their retail price (Redfall I'm looking at you). And it has become a new normal. Xbox should rather focus on bringing true AAA exclusives to its consoles. I mean, it's been almost three years and frankly, we have nothing to chew on.
The nice thing about Gamepass is it's helped me find other games not on the service. I played the Yakuza games and immediately bought the Judgment and Lost Judgment games because they were so good
Which won't happen if they don't release that much Triple A exclusive. Xbox was literally bragging for having Persona at the end of last year, a bonafind Playstation game. That's the state of the market for them.
Yes, obviously. And that is what people forget. And that makes Phil's whining about the Competition wanting to grow so outrageous and we should have talked more about what he said there. Because Phil Spencer complained that Competition exists and that its only OK if XBOX grows at the cost of others, not others at the cost of XBOX. HOW DARE THEY!!!11
@@awsomeboy360 They don't just need more Games. They need to be better than Playstation and Nintendo in every way possible. They didn't even try with XBOX Series... The most obvious ones are wireless headsets -> BT Support on Nintendo, Standard USB Audio devices on Playstation. Storage Expansion -> both Playstation and Switch use Standard Storage devices, µSD for Nintendo, PCIe 4.0 m.2 for Playstation. XBOX uses proprietary, firmware locked stuff. And the BIG one that people don't like to talk about: Controller features. If you experienced the PS5 Vibrations, you know what I mean. Its stronger, more immediate and also finer. Which makes Games more interesting, when you feel the footsteps in your hands. But also Gyro Aiming and other stuff. XBOX only repackaged their OG XBOX Controller without adding much to the mix. Most people probably don't know that the XBox One Controller has vibrators in the Trigger (because, for the most part, it was only used in FORZA Games).
The two sections in the document that talk about the sales going down because of game pass. One of them is talking about something happening in the future (Section 7 part 83 page 99) the other one is talking about game sales going down after one year(Section 5 part 61 through 64 page 58). Yet all of that context is removed from these articles and what you have left is a merged concept of both sections that turns into "Microsoft said that GP cannibalizes sales" which turns out that statement isn't really true when you look at the evidence. The reporting on this has been very bad.
when i first subbed to GP Ultimate, i was juiced. almost 2 years later...ive played all of the titles i wanted to/would play, have never played a PC game on GP and pretty much only benefit from the discounts they give for Ultimate subs. i feel like im wasting money because im picky with what i play and havent played on "Day 1" GP release. but at first it was great. i guess it depends how much gaming you do. i grind whole games fast, i ran out of games pretty quick.
I think day one releases definitely will have an impact on sales of their games and other ones like bathesda games since most will simply subscribe to gamepass for a few months beat the game and spend less than they would buying it. I imagine it had tanked sales for day one releases of third party games on it like the Persona games too and they may not sell well even over time on Xbox as a result.
The question is, would those people that played it day one, would they have purchased it instead if there wasn't game pass. I think for the majority, the answer is no. Gamepass is a good way of trying the game with minimal risk.
@@edcorners not at all I agree. I don't even have Netflix anymore. It got stupidly expensive but that's beside the point. It was proof of a concept. It forced the hand of the cable industry to move towards streaming. It singlehandedly killed blockbuster. This is the world now. Subscription services are everywhere. The same will happen to gaming. Gamepass is the Netflix of gaming. Other brands will eventually follow... they already are ps+, Nintendo online, ubisoft plus, ea play. This is what it is.
@@R.B.90 Yeah, I guess that was my point, it doesn't feel like a sustainable price vs quality of the games offered. Hope they figure out a way to keep it affordable.
@@R.B.90 okay now compare how many Netflix subs there are to how many game pass subs… one has hundreds of millions, and one has like 30 million… it’s a niche market where tv and movies are not.
The only way I can see it translating into a purchase for me is if I buy a Game Pass game on Steam Deck or Nintendo Switch for portability. I legitimately can't think of another reason, with the exception of maybe a super crazy sale or because I loved the game so much I wanted a physical copy of it. Other than those three reasons, I think it probably means less sales overall.
@gythamh4364 I'm saying the only reason I would buy a game I've already played on Game Pass is for portability sake. In other words, I would buy a port on the Nintendo Switch or Steam Deck, but realistically, once I've played something on Game Pass, I won't buy it at full retail price.
I watched both DreamcastGuy's and SpawnWave's video on this and yet this video is my favorite one. I feel you are expressing my thoughts on the matter better than I have.
PS fanboy here… considering the Xbox. But what happens when gamepass ends on this Generation and they decide to not have it in the future… we won’t be able to keep them right? So gamepass is a rental while the Pass is activated? Hmm I kinda enjoy keeping the games….
I buy games no matter what. Depending on the game, it’s a buy on release day. Some games, I wait until I have the money and then go buy it. I mean that’s what I’ve done my whole life lol. I’m 27. I remember back when I had to save allowance and stuff like that just to finally go to GameStop to buy the game I been wanting. Nothings changed but a price increase
Why do xbox players not know about PlayStation version of gamepass? PlayStation has PlayStation Now. Which is a service similar to Gamepass. It has loads of games including great indie games but also AAA games, i wonder why xbox players don't even know this lol.
I grabbed a Series X around launch and didn't play it nearly as much as I thought I would. I picked up a PS5 in November of last year and haven't even turned my Series X on since. I am really hoping MIcrosoft gives me a reason to do so sooner than later.
Xbox is more for online/co-op gamers, but only at the moment. For someone like me, it made more sense to go with the console that gives you better gameplay experience. Why buy a less powerful system when I have zero interest in God of war or spiderman? ... Obviously I know I'm in the minority here but it only makes sense. 12 tf gpu Quick resume(zero load time) Smart delivery Gamepass And many more feature sony doesn't offer.
@@korkuc26 ye you play where you want and with the platform that has the games you want to play. Xbox does need to get some big single player games though. Starfield, stalker and fable sound good. I'm getting a series s for those.
@@InfectiousGroovePodcast Hopefully starfield is all that's it's hyped up to be. Because in this day and age, software sells hardware. Maybe more sales will help microsoft realize they should probably start hammering out some games.
@@moochoman9948 I have an s and x. One for the living room and bedroom. The s is a good console. 1440 is great. You'll never see a difference unless your into graphics like that. It does stream 4k tho. For the price tho as a secondary console you definitely can't beat it. Ssd alone makes it worth it
If we look at Game Pass from the other side, it gives gamers the possibility to play indie games that otherwise they would never play, In other words, it gives smaller studios a chance to shine.
The next question is ! If the game is successful on game pass and your a independent studio/publisher…do you put the next game on game pass or sell it at full price now that’s it’s proven ?
Yo I subscribed. Question that comes to mind, since Xbox revealed Silksong, is going to gamepass how’s that going to affect sales? Can believe switch hasn’t done any marketing for it yet.
Theres a number of games I have 1000'd on Game Pass and liked enough to buy a physical for the Switch. Theres a few that I have ended up getting outright for XSX. I have bought DLC for game pass games before.
With Game Pass, if there's a game in catalogue I enjoy enough to want to play in my "XBOX Network Off-Season" I will buy that game... Most likely the top of the line edition available.
I guess I fall into the smaller category. I use gamepass to try games and see if they are worth buying because I want to actually own it if I do. I mean I buy digital so I guess I don't own anything if xbox wants to take it away down the line. But I don't have issues with paying full price for a game if I really enjoy it. I know alot of people can't do that so I totally get it. But I agree I think the price will go up and depending on how much it goes up I might bounce off it and just see reviews and buy it.
Agree 💯. Game Pass for me helps me judge to buy the game or not. It's like when you used to buy demo disks if you're old enough to remember. Try before you buy. Unfortunately 80% of what's on gamepass isn't worth full price or you can beat the game in a week. Halo infinite for example would have been a purchase for me without gamepass but the campaign while great didn't have multiplayer built in and is a live service. Halo infinite is maybe worth 40 not 70
Well, that's not the only reason Sony and Nintendo don't have Game Pass. A big part of it is the fact that Microsoft as a company has WAY more money to get Game Pass to a profitable state.
GP has got to be too cheap at the moment to be anything near sustainable given the relatively low install base that has been flouted. As long as they don’t rush the price increase I think churn is going to be the thing that may make or break it. At the moment I can get 1 month of gamepass at a time. With how slow the big first party exclusives come out, I’ll be unsubscribed for the majority of the year, but still be able to play the handful of top tier exclusives I want to.
That's the thing though. I didn't subscribe just for the first party games. I get to try games I otherwise wouldn't play because of the up front cost. So now I can play them and buy the ones that stand out. So far I've bought several games that left Game Pass. There were a few games that I swore I was going to buy when they released, but after playing them I didn't like them.
Game Pass is awesome. What's funny is I've actually spent more on games since starting Game Pass than I would have without it. Raising the price will happen if number of subscribers doesn't increase.
My friend and I run a gaming podcast and reports have come out in the past that Phil Spencer said Game Pass will have to raise their prices although he didn't say what the prices would be raised to. Everybody is assuming the price will go up $5 per month in 2023. If it doubled, I think it would cause a big shock to the Game Pass customer base.
I bought a few games from Game Pass like Super Lucky Tales, Gears of War 4/5 after trying them out. Then I tried games like Shredders Revenge and saved myself $24 as I was to beat it in a few hours.
I found an xbox one x at a thrift store for $150 and got game pass because of the $1 upgrade from live gold. So for about $300 I got a one x and 3 years of game pass. Not a bad deal especially when some of the games are series x/s games.
I am part of the 0.001% of folks who do not and will not buy Gamepass. It's too many games to parse through when I already have too much to play on both PC and Xbox. Honestly, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought the Series X this gen. I still like buying physical copies of games. Gamepass ensures that many third party titles will miss a physical release entirely. Nintendo and Sony consoles get a physical copy, so why are Xbox owners getting skipped? That fat bag of money you mentioned. These days I just buy on PC and at much cheaper prices. Gamepass is a scam when you start really unpacking it.
There's actually another way they can get game pass to profit. Crazy as this would sound we don't raise the price but instead release some xbox games on nintendo switch and PS5. This would make it easier to get more money while at the same time get people into xbox.
I've only liked game pass as a way to try games I might buy later. I know it's stupid but I tend to have a much harder time getting invested in a game I haven't really invested in, ya know? So for me it really has been a game seller.
There's been a few indie games I've bought after playing them on Game Pass, like Dodgeball Academia or Unpacking. Granted, I bought the switch versions, but I likely wouldn't have without playing them on Game Pass
Think the strategy with game pass is more of a long term strategy. Actually having a low price is in line with that strategy. My guess is that Microsoft want game pass to become the next Netflix in the long run and be part of stuff like TV:s and so on in the future.
Netflix isn't the hero it is made up to be. Netflix has actually lost many subscribers recently and there are other services which i think do a better job out there.
Microsofts goal is to shift the industry to a subscription based model and then dominate it as they can incur the most losses. What ever timeline they set for success not met is when the entire gamepass model will cease to exist in its current form of day and date releases.
So lemme get this straight I brought a console for 300$ and now your telling me I have to pay 15 more dollars just for Multiplayer. Ya know many PlayStation isn’t so bad for their prices.
When you get to 500k subs are we getting a celebration stream? Balan Wonderlands? WWE 2K18 royal rumble on switch? Maybe borrow one of Wood’s horse stable games?
Does anyone else think games should have dlc? Bethesda for example, I have fond memories of point lookout fallout 3, but I cant play that, lonesome road from new vegas. Kinda sucks to have to buy a dlc for 360 on a game they can yoink from you at any time😐
Out of the three companies Xbox has the least amount of console exclusives. Usually that's what draw people to play on a system...because they can't get the game anywhere else. I honestly don't see how their sales of physical games as improved. I think as you said it causes a decline. I prefer physical over digital but I think what game pass does is kill physical sales
Now honestly I don’t care what anyone says Microsoft is going to eventually raise the price of game pass every company that has a streaming service has done this so Microsoft is no different they are going to raise the price of game pass at some point
I couldn't care less for gamepass.. I buy Playstation and Nintendo Switch physical games. i dont buy xbox games because xbox is heavy on drm and i like to not need an internet connection to play games
There are no problems with game pass but there are problems with Nintendo online service that can’t give new releases or even Nintendo Switch games for online
I think that Microsoft in the long run feels that Gamepass needs much higher numbers of subscribers to maintain success, which is what they are pushing for. Raising the price would help but maybe shortening the time games appear on the service would compel sales. It's probably the most generous try before you buy service out there, but that is not without risks.
@@moochoman9948 very simple. You're all a bunch of failed journalists who had to turn to youtube to vicariously live a real life of acceptance you wish you had as a young individual in school. Your opinion is not fact and that is why they are a trillion-dollar company and we are not
@@moochoman9948 my day is fine, it always is. I have a great life. I'm sorry if my statement offended you but it is what it is. Your response is either vindictive or a means of deflecting.
As much as I didn't want to believe it for a long time.... the PS+ model seems to be the better model for the developers. New games are full price and then come to the monthly service 12-18 months later. Xbox has put so much into marketing "DAY ONE" that they can never go back. That was a really bad decision for Microsoft (a great decision for consumers).
To be honest the subscription service is bad for ppl who buy collect games. Making games that come to the service significantly less valuable and less in demand.
I don't think people see the big picture when it comes to Gamepass and what Microsoft is trying to achieve. If They can get those 50 million subscribers, they are looking for I do not think Gamepass price will raise. I feel Microsoft would rather have 100 million subscribers than selling 100 million Xbox consoles. Think about this for a second, take away Gamepass Ultimate for a second and say 100 million at $10 a month, that is 1 billion dollars a month 12 billion a year and yes that's gross revenue but that is an awful lot of gross revenue. Not saying Microsoft can or will reach 100 million but the potential is there if they prove themselves this year and in 2024.
I think the problem is not everyone buys game pass. People buy things that have their favorite games. And a lot of people love PlayStation exclusives and Nintendo exclusives. Having the games people want still works the best I imagine.
I just don't see how gamepass makes money. Netflix hasn't turned a profit yet on a similar model. Of course gamepass cannibalises sales, that's the whole point!! Why buy it if you have gamepass already??
I think if Microsoft started pulling back how long a game is on Gamepass it would translate to sales. You get someone hooked on a game and if it’s only on the service the first couple months it’s out, most people will have to decide to abandon the game or purchase it.
nah.. you sony people.. you stay on that grind.. we like to SAVE money.. and spend it how we see fit... LIKE GAMING SHOULD BE. BTW.. we got like 20 games this past 20-25 days.. MOST third party AND first party... Age of empires, HI fi rush, Persona 3(X/S, Persona 4(X/S), Persona 5.. is persona 4, persona 5 a bad game?? Monster hunter Rise is that a bad game? ITS ALL ON GAME PASS... okay.. Wo long fallen destiny.. ANDD Atomic heart this next month coming game pass.. are those bad?? that means you can't buy Atomic heart and Wo long fallen destiny.. you will be paying 140-150 dollars on top of a sub, while we pay 0 on top of a sub. We will choose if we want to buy those games WITH A DISCOUNT... thats how you do it... Why? we outsold your AAA services WHILE ON GAMEPASS.. its over. OHH and Minecraft LEGENDS.. REDFALL.. Starfield.. STARFIELD... Motorsport..!!! thats just before JUNE/September... ALL on GAME PASS..
If gamepass doesn't make sense to you as a business, go back to business class. You're saying the only way to maintain it, is to increase the price? If you're an idiot, sure. Another way to do it, is to idk.....make it such a valuable proposition that the subscription count goes up. Then you don't need to raise the price.
I always had a love / hate relationship with Gamepass I had a 3 or 4 month lull where I didn't play my Xbox so basically lost 50 quid on paying for a service I wasn't using. Bet then there are games like Amnesia that I probably wouldn't have played if they weren't on Gamepass. I purchased Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite physical only for them both to be added to gamepass which kinda annoyed me Looking through the gamepass list today I see UBI Soft getting it right with their Assassins Creed line, you can play Origins and Odyssey and they're hoping you'll buy Valhalla But other than that what games 'really' on gamepass that are worth playing? Because there's a whole lot of filler junk on there.
@@Mitch11116 Yes I know but I forgot about the monthly sub. As for Forza and halo I had already pre-ordered them before any Gamepass announcement was made. I now refuse to preorder any Xbox title as a result.
The 3rd party games on gamepass is where it's at honestly. Without gamepass I would never try most of the games. I've actually bought games after they leave gamepass because I really like them. I've actually always been a Nintendo fan but gamepass and the third party games that go to Xbox that will make it to Nintendo I just bought my first Xbox last year. I m loving it so far. 🥰
I feel like I'm the odd person out, I'd rather save the money and own the games I want to play. With the little time I have to play games, it's cheaper in the long run for myself to buy the games outright; especially on sale.
I am a firm believer that Gamepass is killing gaming; at the very least Microsoft first party titles. Easy proof is looking at Halo. All of their games are riddled with micro transactions and release in a near unplayable state now, worse than what has become acceptable in this era of gaming. Gamepass promotes laziness on the part of Microsoft to no longer need to put out quality products as long as they have the quantity. Disney plus and Netflix are having the same issues. It’s all about content and not about quality experiences.
My friend hasn’t bought a single Xbox game in years due to gamepass. It always made me wonder how this is financially sustainable if subscriber numbers aren’t at a constant uptick.
Im a gamer. i play whatever as long as i like it, and it's fun. Im not a Sony Pony, but I will say Xbox is a joke right now. Putting games on gamepass on the surface looks good, but it's not. What that basically has done has made Xbox work on next to nothing as far as games go. AAA games everyone is flooding to isn't on Xbox. If Xbox had games i wanted to play that wasn't online 24 hours a days i would have no issue buying a next gen version. However, Im dont with Xbox until they show me games come first. Xbox games pass is not putting games or gamers first no matter what people think. 10 dollars for fluff is still fluff.
with games these days gearing themselves towards profit over playability, it only makes (financial) sense for microsoft to continue on under the current dynamic. a drastic change to pricing might shake their playerbase, and would absolutely alter the trajectory of that newfound developer appeal.
Game pass is basically Blockbuster Video. Just all digital video games and with that being said. All good things must come to an end. I'm just surprised that Microsoft hasn't tried to make a deal with Nintendo to get Game pass on a Nintendo system.
Good Stuff RGT 85. Game Pass is still the Best Value in Gaming, you can Buy a Series X or S and be an Xbox Only Owner and not even have too Buy a Game for Years. The only problem i see with Game Pass is Microsoft's 1st Party Titles not coming out fast enough and at a regular basis aswell. I don't think Microsoft is worried about their Games being on Game Pass, cuz that is why Game Pass was made and Microsoft needs Game Pass. With Game Pass Microsoft is Primed for the Xbox too go All Digitally in the near Future.
Gamepass is nice but i don't "need" it, so if the price goes up i'm out. I buy games physical, so they aren't loosing a sale as i probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place. But if i tried the game on gamepass and end up liking it and a physical comes out , i'll be buying it.
I usually don't comment on videos. But this time I think i should. Game pass is a great service. What people don't see is that I got games on game pass and they removed said games. So I had to buy said games. So it would make sense if they rotate games in and out so if players like the games they will but them when they are gone.
I personally have my series s because of game pass, I only play game pass games on it. I'm a very casual gamer. So having game pass prevents me buying games that will sit around untouched for years.
Video about Xbox pass, xbot defense force: But Sony! You woukd think that having some many games on xbox pass would be an incentive to play them instead of coming here and cry about Sony, crazy idea i know And for the record yes that remastee was a pointless remake but dumb people went and buy it because reasons , same reasons fifa and madden keep selling i guess
@@TheDanimal91 And now a projection attempt has been made, ironic you complain about that but not a single word about OP , never understood what drives people to blindy defend corporations , lawyers do it because they get paid but you people on RUclips dont
I don't think your expectation with the numbers equate. How can all of the streaming services survive with similar monthly fees? They pay for and host significantly more content than Game Pass. If xbox only has to give money out to 100+ games companies (and eat the cost for the ones they own), that surely can be a larger payout then what Netflix has to do to produce /purchase media in the thousands. I recognize the user base size difference between the 2 services, but that seems to scale with the amount of products being offered too.
I think if they double the price of game pass,it's going to hurt sales of the Xbox franchise.its a great deal using game pass,and is part of the reason I've been an Xbox fan boy.ive been a loyal owner since the og Xbox.but,like everything,the price goes up on items,and there's nothing we can do about it.i know if Xbox starts playing price games,I might have to move on to the ps5...
You'll be ok with Xbox, PS+ increased it's price way more in 2023. PS+ doesn't have much to offer and they remove their 1st party games from the service at random without a headsup
What do you think of this whole thing? Interesting that the government can get the real answers but we can't. lol
you threaten us to sub to you now XD... man you are funny sometime.
if the $$$ bag that MS gives to the developers to put their games on GamePass covers all potential game sale or more, then i dont see an issue here. For example, if the game was going to sell 500K copies of their game and MS pays them the amount of what 500K copies is worth, the developer still makes money. No issue here lol
@@podunk3202 Agreed
I think MS' long-term plan is to acquire Netflix (after the ABK deal closes) and create a $50 tier that replaces the current $15 GP Ultimate tier. It will include Netflix/GP Ultimate. They increase the price, but they disguise that increase by giving you more value in the form of movies/tv shows.
Dude, companies lie to the government all the time. And they get away with it because of bribes... I mean campaign donations.
With all of gaming jumping up to $70 per title, Game Pass is easily the most consumer-friendly service out there. It may or not be financially sustainable for Microsoft in the long run (only time will tell), but for now, I can say without hesitation that it’s financially sustainable for me. 😆
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What games did you enjoy on game pass during 2022?
Consumer friendly doesn't just mean cheap. Quality suffers under this model. I'd rather pay a bit more for good games than a small fee for a mountain of trash. We aren't there yet, but how will Xbox fund future projects? Daddy MS can't cover them forever.
@@airdrighmor1439 True, but like I said, for now it’s a great deal. Stuff like Vampire Survivors, which I’m currently addicted to, I would’ve never even given a second look if Game Pass didn’t offer it. I totally skipped the Xbox One in favor of the PS4, so even going back and checking out a bunch of first-and-second-party Microsoft games I missed has been fun.
@@SubaruMalibu that's fair. I'm just not in favor of shooting myself in the foot.
It makes sense that sales would go down for games put on gameness. But for a lot of these games when it comes to me, I would have never even bought them in the first place if it wasn’t for gamepass. So I guess if it’s a low budget game or a first time breakout game it should be on gamepass since it’s guaranteed to have people play it.
The issue with that statement is I don’t think they ever say for what games. And obviously if it was a huge issue wo long and other wouldn’t get put on there day one. So it would be interesting to see if it’s 1st party games or all games. Bc devs have come out and said other wise for games they had on game pass so who knows
I'm not a publisher so I have no idea how this benefits publishers or how it would be sustainable in the long run but Gamepass has been a godsend for me I'm saving so much money and playing so many games I would have never bought so many awesome indie games being made and lots of big games coming this year Recently started playing age of empires 2 and looking forward to Atomic Heart, Wo long fallen dynasty, Redfall and Starfield so yeah it benefits me
Those are average games lol. Ok maybe some are good'ish but not great. They are budget-rack games lol. Starfield we don't know of it will be good and redfall is generic xbox shooter number 937373. Go borrow a PS5 from a friend and play it for a month or 3-6 with some of their premium games and you'll never look back. You're wasting time with xbox, and that's coming from an ex xbox player who switched camps. It's just lacking quality big time. Plus PlayStation has PlayStation Now. Which is a service similar to Gamepass. It has loads of games including indie games but also AAA games, i wonder why xbox players don't even know this lol.
I can't imagine it always being good for a tiny developer but it might make sense for the big hitters.
@@deyh5664played atomic heart on ps5 recently and got the platinum. Very average game for sure but combat wasn’t all to bad. Cutscenes and voice acting were cringe asf though. Starfiled definitely is way worse then atomic though and an abysmal of an exclusive
As someone that Just got a Series S and fairly limited funds, gamepass has been great for me since alot of $70 games will be on there which i can't afford. It eventually lets me make up my mind to purchase it later anyways
Is hogwarts legacy on there? Will RE4 remake be on there? What new $70 games will be on there? AAA 3rd parties aren’t putting games on gamepass
@@iftycent8 there are plenty of games that you may not like that other people do that come out on games pass. He didn't say every game would be on it. But personally, I was thrilled when something like dragon quest eleven came out. And I purchased it before it left. Keep your negativity to yourself.
@@gobosox2080 Where was @iftycent8 being negative? It was a valid comment because while you may not share what the question was asking, there are people that are thinking that some AAA titles will end up day & date on Gamepass. I don't speak for the community, but somebody out there probably has their fingers crossed that a game like Starfield will be out on Gamepass to avoid paying the $70 price point.
@@nonamer29 he was being negative because the original statement never said anything about third party games, just seventy dollar games. Who cares if hogwarts does or doesn't come to game pass. That's not what the post was about.
@@gobosox2080 Alot of $70 titles could cover AAA 3rd party games though. Again, you may not subscribe to the idea of a game like Hogwarts Legacy going to Gamepass or not, but there are a group of people that have invested in Gamepass with the hope of something like that happening.
Phil Spencer was really thinking we were retarded enough to pay 10 dollars a month for a service, and pay full price at the same time for a game that is on the Game Pass.
Of course it's gonna tank the sales. Business-wise, Microsoft/Xbox is playing a really weird game (no pun intended).
The problem is that we are now getting games that are ok-ish for 10 dollars, but a total scandal for their retail price (Redfall I'm looking at you). And it has become a new normal.
Xbox should rather focus on bringing true AAA exclusives to its consoles. I mean, it's been almost three years and frankly, we have nothing to chew on.
The nice thing about Gamepass is it's helped me find other games not on the service. I played the Yakuza games and immediately bought the Judgment and Lost Judgment games because they were so good
You should have been playing that series since the PS2 days.
@@DP12321 Didn't even know it existed until a couple of years ago.
@@chadmax4087 I'm sorry to hear that. Better late than never!
I think Microsoft wants to take over a large part of the gaming market in the future
Which won't happen if they don't release that much Triple A exclusive. Xbox was literally bragging for having Persona at the end of last year, a bonafind Playstation game. That's the state of the market for them.
@@awsomeboy360 Very True
Yes, obviously. And that is what people forget.
And that makes Phil's whining about the Competition wanting to grow so outrageous and we should have talked more about what he said there.
Because Phil Spencer complained that Competition exists and that its only OK if XBOX grows at the cost of others, not others at the cost of XBOX.
HOW DARE THEY!!!11
@@awsomeboy360 They don't just need more Games. They need to be better than Playstation and Nintendo in every way possible.
They didn't even try with XBOX Series...
The most obvious ones are wireless headsets -> BT Support on Nintendo, Standard USB Audio devices on Playstation.
Storage Expansion -> both Playstation and Switch use Standard Storage devices, µSD for Nintendo, PCIe 4.0 m.2 for Playstation. XBOX uses proprietary, firmware locked stuff.
And the BIG one that people don't like to talk about: Controller features. If you experienced the PS5 Vibrations, you know what I mean. Its stronger, more immediate and also finer. Which makes Games more interesting, when you feel the footsteps in your hands. But also Gyro Aiming and other stuff.
XBOX only repackaged their OG XBOX Controller without adding much to the mix. Most people probably don't know that the XBox One Controller has vibrators in the Trigger (because, for the most part, it was only used in FORZA Games).
Uh isn't that the point?
The two sections in the document that talk about the sales going down because of game pass. One of them is talking about something happening in the future (Section 7 part 83 page 99) the other one is talking about game sales going down after one year(Section 5 part 61 through 64 page 58). Yet all of that context is removed from these articles and what you have left is a merged concept of both sections that turns into "Microsoft said that GP cannibalizes sales" which turns out that statement isn't really true when you look at the evidence. The reporting on this has been very bad.
when i first subbed to GP Ultimate, i was juiced. almost 2 years later...ive played all of the titles i wanted to/would play, have never played a PC game on GP and pretty much only benefit from the discounts they give for Ultimate subs. i feel like im wasting money because im picky with what i play and havent played on "Day 1" GP release. but at first it was great. i guess it depends how much gaming you do. i grind whole games fast, i ran out of games pretty quick.
When a service is your favourite thing about Xbox instead of the games....
It’s actually games for me but Ultimate is all I need though to play online and and check things out including perks.
I use gamepass for it discounts. Gamepass games are boring and trashy to me.
I think day one releases definitely will have an impact on sales of their games and other ones like bathesda games since most will simply subscribe to gamepass for a few months beat the game and spend less than they would buying it. I imagine it had tanked sales for day one releases of third party games on it like the Persona games too and they may not sell well even over time on Xbox as a result.
The question is, would those people that played it day one, would they have purchased it instead if there wasn't game pass. I think for the majority, the answer is no. Gamepass is a good way of trying the game with minimal risk.
@@EckmanJones that's all well and good but the point is how much does Microsoft pay to get persona on gamepass vs profit (not revenue) generated?
@@moochoman9948 If they do it at a loss, that would look good for them in terms of the acquisition. Or at least I think it would.
ive bought more since having gamepass tbh.
Gamepass feels unsustainable. But.. I'll use it while it lasts
I bet ppl said the same about Netflix 15 years ago...
@@R.B.90 Netflix is not necessarily doing great lately economically speaking
@@edcorners not at all I agree. I don't even have Netflix anymore. It got stupidly expensive but that's beside the point. It was proof of a concept. It forced the hand of the cable industry to move towards streaming. It singlehandedly killed blockbuster. This is the world now. Subscription services are everywhere. The same will happen to gaming. Gamepass is the Netflix of gaming. Other brands will eventually follow... they already are ps+, Nintendo online, ubisoft plus, ea play. This is what it is.
@@R.B.90 Yeah, I guess that was my point, it doesn't feel like a sustainable price vs quality of the games offered. Hope they figure out a way to keep it affordable.
@@R.B.90 okay now compare how many Netflix subs there are to how many game pass subs… one has hundreds of millions, and one has like 30 million… it’s a niche market where tv and movies are not.
The only way I can see it translating into a purchase for me is if I buy a Game Pass game on Steam Deck or Nintendo Switch for portability. I legitimately can't think of another reason, with the exception of maybe a super crazy sale or because I loved the game so much I wanted a physical copy of it. Other than those three reasons, I think it probably means less sales overall.
Xbox Game Pass ain't go to Nintendo Switch.
@gythamh4364 I'm saying the only reason I would buy a game I've already played on Game Pass is for portability sake. In other words, I would buy a port on the Nintendo Switch or Steam Deck, but realistically, once I've played something on Game Pass, I won't buy it at full retail price.
I watched both DreamcastGuy's and SpawnWave's video on this and yet this video is my favorite one. I feel you are expressing my thoughts on the matter better than I have.
PS fanboy here… considering the Xbox. But what happens when gamepass ends on this Generation and they decide to not have it in the future… we won’t be able to keep them right? So gamepass is a rental while the Pass is activated? Hmm I kinda enjoy keeping the games….
I buy games no matter what. Depending on the game, it’s a buy on release day. Some games, I wait until I have the money and then go buy it. I mean that’s what I’ve done my whole life lol. I’m 27. I remember back when I had to save allowance and stuff like that just to finally go to GameStop to buy the game I been wanting. Nothings changed but a price increase
Why do xbox players not know about PlayStation version of gamepass? PlayStation has PlayStation Now. Which is a service similar to Gamepass. It has loads of games including great indie games but also AAA games, i wonder why xbox players don't even know this lol.
I grabbed a Series X around launch and didn't play it nearly as much as I thought I would. I picked up a PS5 in November of last year and haven't even turned my Series X on since. I am really hoping MIcrosoft gives me a reason to do so sooner than later.
Xbox is more for online/co-op gamers, but only at the moment. For someone like me, it made more sense to go with the console that gives you better gameplay experience. Why buy a less powerful system when I have zero interest in God of war or spiderman? ...
Obviously I know I'm in the minority here but it only makes sense.
12 tf gpu
Quick resume(zero load time)
Smart delivery
Gamepass
And many more feature sony doesn't offer.
@@korkuc26 I hear ya on all of that. I'm not into Spider Man but I did enjoy the heck out of God of War Ragnarok.
@@korkuc26 ye you play where you want and with the platform that has the games you want to play. Xbox does need to get some big single player games though. Starfield, stalker and fable sound good. I'm getting a series s for those.
@@InfectiousGroovePodcast Hopefully starfield is all that's it's hyped up to be. Because in this day and age, software sells hardware. Maybe more sales will help microsoft realize they should probably start hammering out some games.
@@moochoman9948 I have an s and x. One for the living room and bedroom. The s is a good console. 1440 is great. You'll never see a difference unless your into graphics like that. It does stream 4k tho.
For the price tho as a secondary console you definitely can't beat it. Ssd alone makes it worth it
If we look at Game Pass from the other side, it gives gamers the possibility to play indie games that otherwise they would never play, In other words, it gives smaller studios a chance to shine.
But if they don't get get paid for their game they don't make more games
The next question is ! If the game is successful on game pass and your a independent studio/publisher…do you put the next game on game pass or sell it at full price now that’s it’s proven ?
They don’t sell consoles.
@@holyheretic3185 yeah but doesn’t Microsoft pay them a salary or something upfront to put the game on gamepass?
Indie 💩😂 I Only Play Quality Games. Your Paying For Games You’d Never Play…PS+ Is Superior Anyway 👩🦳🙏
Its all indie games, kid garbage or stuff you've played years ago.
Yo I subscribed. Question that comes to mind, since Xbox revealed Silksong, is going to gamepass how’s that going to affect sales? Can believe switch hasn’t done any marketing for it yet.
Theres a number of games I have 1000'd on Game Pass and liked enough to buy a physical for the Switch. Theres a few that I have ended up getting outright for XSX. I have bought DLC for game pass games before.
"These companies aren't going to lie" 🤣 That is the only thing they do lol
As does the government?
So, what is your point exactly?
@@MysteriouslyMilitant the government lies even when they tell the truth lol!😂
With Game Pass, if there's a game in catalogue I enjoy enough to want to play in my "XBOX Network Off-Season" I will buy that game... Most likely the top of the line edition available.
I just got a series x and love game pass didn't have to buy all my star wars titles again
The problem with Xbox game pass in 2023 is that there’s too many haters, imho
I guess I fall into the smaller category. I use gamepass to try games and see if they are worth buying because I want to actually own it if I do. I mean I buy digital so I guess I don't own anything if xbox wants to take it away down the line. But I don't have issues with paying full price for a game if I really enjoy it. I know alot of people can't do that so I totally get it. But I agree I think the price will go up and depending on how much it goes up I might bounce off it and just see reviews and buy it.
I guess u can just buy a few years of gamepass ultimate, wich is enough to get bored of some games that will stay long enough on gpu
Agree 💯. Game Pass for me helps me judge to buy the game or not. It's like when you used to buy demo disks if you're old enough to remember. Try before you buy. Unfortunately 80% of what's on gamepass isn't worth full price or you can beat the game in a week. Halo infinite for example would have been a purchase for me without gamepass but the campaign while great didn't have multiplayer built in and is a live service. Halo infinite is maybe worth 40 not 70
There seems to be some clipping/popping in the audio for this and the last video (check 9:15 for an example). You might want to check your cables
It's been happening in every video for months. He's definitely got some kind of audio issue that needs to be worked out.
People shouldn't have to pay subscriptions for games.
if they don’t do this already, maybe they should do what music does - x amount of streams/downloads = 1 sale
No developer is going to go for that. You might as well just sell it normally. The whole incentive is the upfront money from Microsoft.
Well, that's not the only reason Sony and Nintendo don't have Game Pass. A big part of it is the fact that Microsoft as a company has WAY more money to get Game Pass to a profitable state.
Reduced sales does not necessarily mean reduced profit.
The words ‘high quality’ and ‘starfield’ should never be in the same sentence together, unless you’re highlighting the difference between the two.
GP has got to be too cheap at the moment to be anything near sustainable given the relatively low install base that has been flouted. As long as they don’t rush the price increase I think churn is going to be the thing that may make or break it. At the moment I can get 1 month of gamepass at a time. With how slow the big first party exclusives come out, I’ll be unsubscribed for the majority of the year, but still be able to play the handful of top tier exclusives I want to.
That's the thing though. I didn't subscribe just for the first party games. I get to try games I otherwise wouldn't play because of the up front cost. So now I can play them and buy the ones that stand out. So far I've bought several games that left Game Pass.
There were a few games that I swore I was going to buy when they released, but after playing them I didn't like them.
Game Pass is awesome. What's funny is I've actually spent more on games since starting Game Pass than I would have without it. Raising the price will happen if number of subscribers doesn't increase.
Microsoft said it hurts sales of games after 12 months. Every game start to lose game sales after 12 months.
My friend and I run a gaming podcast and reports have come out in the past that Phil Spencer said Game Pass will have to raise their prices although he didn't say what the prices would be raised to. Everybody is assuming the price will go up $5 per month in 2023. If it doubled, I think it would cause a big shock to the Game Pass customer base.
Yep. Most will leave
Even a $5 dolar rise is massive
I bought a few games from Game Pass like Super Lucky Tales, Gears of War 4/5 after trying them out. Then I tried games like Shredders Revenge and saved myself $24 as I was to beat it in a few hours.
Well Shawn, you hit the nail on the head, I totally see Xbox game pass going up and I’ll pay as you get so much stuff for what you pay.
I found an xbox one x at a thrift store for $150 and got game pass because of the $1 upgrade from live gold.
So for about $300 I got a one x and 3 years of game pass. Not a bad deal especially when some of the games are series x/s games.
Nice, and nice username
i feel like if i dl and play atleast 2 to 3 new games on their service. i get my yearly value worth..
I am part of the 0.001% of folks who do not and will not buy Gamepass. It's too many games to parse through when I already have too much to play on both PC and Xbox. Honestly, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought the Series X this gen. I still like buying physical copies of games. Gamepass ensures that many third party titles will miss a physical release entirely. Nintendo and Sony consoles get a physical copy, so why are Xbox owners getting skipped? That fat bag of money you mentioned. These days I just buy on PC and at much cheaper prices. Gamepass is a scam when you start really unpacking it.
There's actually another way they can get game pass to profit. Crazy as this would sound we don't raise the price but instead release some xbox games on nintendo switch and PS5. This would make it easier to get more money while at the same time get people into xbox.
I've only liked game pass as a way to try games I might buy later. I know it's stupid but I tend to have a much harder time getting invested in a game I haven't really invested in, ya know? So for me it really has been a game seller.
I got a x for Xmas specifically for game pass. I also have a ps5, don't really need another console... so hopefully they don't mess with gamepass
There's been a few indie games I've bought after playing them on Game Pass, like Dodgeball Academia or Unpacking. Granted, I bought the switch versions, but I likely wouldn't have without playing them on Game Pass
Think the strategy with game pass is more of a long term strategy.
Actually having a low price is in line with that strategy.
My guess is that Microsoft want game pass to become the next Netflix in the long run and be part of stuff like TV:s and so on in the future.
Netflix isn't the hero it is made up to be. Netflix has actually lost many subscribers recently and there are other services which i think do a better job out there.
Netflix used to be $10, now it's practically double that. I can see Gamepass raise their prices.
Microsofts goal is to shift the industry to a subscription based model and then dominate it as they can incur the most losses. What ever timeline they set for success not met is when the entire gamepass model will cease to exist in its current form of day and date releases.
This right here. And gamers will this own nothing
So lemme get this straight I brought a console for 300$ and now your telling me I have to pay 15 more dollars just for
Multiplayer.
Ya know many PlayStation isn’t so bad for their prices.
When you get to 500k subs are we getting a celebration stream?
Balan Wonderlands?
WWE 2K18 royal rumble on switch?
Maybe borrow one of Wood’s horse stable games?
Does anyone else think games should have dlc? Bethesda for example, I have fond memories of point lookout fallout 3, but I cant play that, lonesome road from new vegas. Kinda sucks to have to buy a dlc for 360 on a game they can yoink from you at any time😐
Sure it has an impact. And it saves me money so 🤷🏻♂️ I like it. Big CEO’s aren’t gonna be happy anyways
Out of the three companies Xbox has the least amount of console exclusives. Usually that's what draw people to play on a system...because they can't get the game anywhere else.
I honestly don't see how their sales of physical games as improved. I think as you said it causes a decline. I prefer physical over digital but I think what game pass does is kill physical sales
RGT you hit the nail on the head when it comes to this topic.
Now honestly I don’t care what anyone says Microsoft is going to eventually raise the price of game pass every company that has a streaming service has done this so Microsoft is no different they are going to raise the price of game pass at some point
Even if they don't the culture of not buying games is eventually going to make 3rd parties struggle on xbox.
I couldn't care less for gamepass.. I buy Playstation and Nintendo Switch physical games. i dont buy xbox games because xbox is heavy on drm and i like to not need an internet connection to play games
There are no problems with game pass but there are problems with Nintendo online service that can’t give new releases or even Nintendo Switch games for online
I think that Microsoft in the long run feels that Gamepass needs much higher numbers of subscribers to maintain success, which is what they are pushing for. Raising the price would help but maybe shortening the time games appear on the service would compel sales. It's probably the most generous try before you buy service out there, but that is not without risks.
I feel that none of you know what you're talkin about . That's why they have a trillion dollars and we don't
@@pr6046 he's basically right, they need to hit a certain scale so that it funds itself. So what are you talking about?
@@moochoman9948 very simple. You're all a bunch of failed journalists who had to turn to youtube to vicariously live a real life of acceptance you wish you had as a young individual in school. Your opinion is not fact and that is why they are a trillion-dollar company and we are not
@@pr6046 okay mate. Hope tomorrow is better for you 🤣
@@moochoman9948 my day is fine, it always is. I have a great life. I'm sorry if my statement offended you but it is what it is. Your response is either vindictive or a means of deflecting.
As much as I didn't want to believe it for a long time.... the PS+ model seems to be the better model for the developers. New games are full price and then come to the monthly service 12-18 months later. Xbox has put so much into marketing "DAY ONE" that they can never go back. That was a really bad decision for Microsoft (a great decision for consumers).
Sony is the reason prices are going up. They take 30 percent of sales from software driving devs to raise prices. Nintendo and xbox followed suit.
@@korkuc26 30% is the industry standard… steam takes 30% from their store, as does Xbox and Nintendo. So… no.
To be honest the subscription service is bad for ppl who buy collect games. Making games that come to the service significantly less valuable and less in demand.
I don't think people see the big picture when it comes to Gamepass and what Microsoft is trying to achieve. If They can get those 50 million subscribers, they are looking for I do not think Gamepass price will raise. I feel Microsoft would rather have 100 million subscribers than selling 100 million Xbox consoles. Think about this for a second, take away Gamepass Ultimate for a second and say 100 million at $10 a month, that is 1 billion dollars a month 12 billion a year and yes that's gross revenue but that is an awful lot of gross revenue. Not saying Microsoft can or will reach 100 million but the potential is there if they prove themselves this year and in 2024.
I think the problem is not everyone buys game pass. People buy things that have their favorite games. And a lot of people love PlayStation exclusives and Nintendo exclusives. Having the games people want still works the best I imagine.
Game pass sucks quality and exclusives high quality game wise imo.
@@bombyo3634 thanks for bringing me back to this post. Pretty on point for this moment in time ha. But I hope it gets better for Xbox fans.
@@Ray-dl5mp 😁😁
I just don't see how gamepass makes money. Netflix hasn't turned a profit yet on a similar model.
Of course gamepass cannibalises sales, that's the whole point!! Why buy it if you have gamepass already??
I think if Microsoft started pulling back how long a game is on Gamepass it would translate to sales. You get someone hooked on a game and if it’s only on the service the first couple months it’s out, most people will have to decide to abandon the game or purchase it.
nah.. you sony people.. you stay on that grind.. we like to SAVE money.. and spend it how we see fit... LIKE GAMING SHOULD BE. BTW.. we got like 20 games this past 20-25 days.. MOST third party AND first party... Age of empires, HI fi rush, Persona 3(X/S, Persona 4(X/S), Persona 5.. is persona 4, persona 5 a bad game?? Monster hunter Rise is that a bad game? ITS ALL ON GAME PASS... okay.. Wo long fallen destiny.. ANDD Atomic heart this next month coming game pass.. are those bad??
that means you can't buy Atomic heart and Wo long fallen destiny.. you will be paying 140-150 dollars on top of a sub, while we pay 0 on top of a sub. We will choose if we want to buy those games WITH A DISCOUNT... thats how you do it... Why? we outsold your AAA services WHILE ON GAMEPASS.. its over.
OHH and Minecraft LEGENDS.. REDFALL.. Starfield.. STARFIELD... Motorsport..!!! thats just before JUNE/September... ALL on GAME PASS..
If gamepass doesn't make sense to you as a business, go back to business class. You're saying the only way to maintain it, is to increase the price? If you're an idiot, sure. Another way to do it, is to idk.....make it such a valuable proposition that the subscription count goes up. Then you don't need to raise the price.
I always had a love / hate relationship with Gamepass
I had a 3 or 4 month lull where I didn't play my Xbox so basically lost 50 quid on paying for a service I wasn't using.
Bet then there are games like Amnesia that I probably wouldn't have played if they weren't on Gamepass.
I purchased Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite physical only for them both to be added to gamepass which kinda annoyed me
Looking through the gamepass list today I see UBI Soft getting it right with their Assassins Creed line, you can play Origins and Odyssey and they're hoping you'll buy Valhalla
But other than that what games 'really' on gamepass that are worth playing? Because there's a whole lot of filler junk on there.
Agreed, there is ALOT of filler junk on there. No titles that leave a lasting experience, or showcase what the series x hardware is capable of.
Do you know You can sub on a monthly basis ? Forza and halo were day 1 gamepass games.
@@Mitch11116 Yes I know but I forgot about the monthly sub.
As for Forza and halo I had already pre-ordered them before any Gamepass announcement was made. I now refuse to preorder any Xbox title as a result.
The 3rd party games on gamepass is where it's at honestly. Without gamepass I would never try most of the games. I've actually bought games after they leave gamepass because I really like them. I've actually always been a Nintendo fan but gamepass and the third party games that go to Xbox that will make it to Nintendo I just bought my first Xbox last year. I m loving it so far. 🥰
I tried SINNER when it was on gamepass. I liked it so much, I bought it on pc and switch. And then xbox years later.
Gamepass has saved me so many times from buying top-tier games that become boring after 3 weeks.
I feel like I'm the odd person out, I'd rather save the money and own the games I want to play. With the little time I have to play games, it's cheaper in the long run for myself to buy the games outright; especially on sale.
I am a firm believer that Gamepass is killing gaming; at the very least Microsoft first party titles. Easy proof is looking at Halo. All of their games are riddled with micro transactions and release in a near unplayable state now, worse than what has become acceptable in this era of gaming. Gamepass promotes laziness on the part of Microsoft to no longer need to put out quality products as long as they have the quantity. Disney plus and Netflix are having the same issues. It’s all about content and not about quality experiences.
I’ve gotten a bit bored with gamepass honestly but since it basically just comes with live it’s whatever. Could be better.
Truth all day
My friend hasn’t bought a single Xbox game in years due to gamepass. It always made me wonder how this is financially sustainable if subscriber numbers aren’t at a constant uptick.
Im a gamer. i play whatever as long as i like it, and it's fun. Im not a Sony Pony, but I will say Xbox is a joke right now. Putting games on gamepass on the surface looks good, but it's not. What that basically has done has made Xbox work on next to nothing as far as games go. AAA games everyone is flooding to isn't on Xbox. If Xbox had games i wanted to play that wasn't online 24 hours a days i would have no issue buying a next gen version. However, Im dont with Xbox until they show me games come first. Xbox games pass is not putting games or gamers first no matter what people think. 10 dollars for fluff is still fluff.
I disagree , so so games can get a chance to played and go that really fun. I pick that up 9.99$ genius
no problems at all, in fact seems to be getting much better, i think your being a bit overdramatic
This is Very Good Information. Something to Consider and Think about. Thanks for the Wealth of Knowledge.😊
I think 19.99 is a fair future price once library is there
yo ihave a doubt what if i get a gamepass on feb27 will it continue for 30 days or does it end at feb28th
pls reply as quick as possible
They lied and will lie to you Xbox fans.
with games these days gearing themselves towards profit over playability, it only makes (financial) sense for microsoft to continue on under the current dynamic.
a drastic change to pricing might shake their playerbase, and would absolutely alter the trajectory of that newfound developer appeal.
Ever since I got Xbox GamePass, I haven't bought a game for a very long time.
I couldn't agree with you more
When Phil said gamepass leads to more game sales he's talking about in game purchases like Forza Horizon DLC alot of ppl purchased that as GP members
Uh Xbox is the problem it's a smashed up heap of trash yet people still buy it lmao
Game pass is basically Blockbuster Video. Just all digital video games and with that being said. All good things must come to an end. I'm just surprised that Microsoft hasn't tried to make a deal with Nintendo to get Game pass on a Nintendo system.
Good Stuff RGT 85.
Game Pass is still the Best Value in Gaming, you can Buy a Series X or S and be an Xbox Only Owner and not even have too Buy a Game for Years.
The only problem i see with Game Pass is Microsoft's 1st Party Titles not coming out fast enough and at a regular basis aswell. I don't think Microsoft is worried about their Games being on Game Pass, cuz that is why Game Pass was made and Microsoft needs Game Pass.
With Game Pass Microsoft is Primed for the Xbox too go All Digitally in the near Future.
Gamepass is nice but i don't "need" it, so if the price goes up i'm out. I buy games physical, so they aren't loosing a sale as i probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place. But if i tried the game on gamepass and end up liking it and a physical comes out , i'll be buying it.
I usually don't comment on videos. But this time I think i should. Game pass is a great service. What people don't see is that I got games on game pass and they removed said games. So I had to buy said games. So it would make sense if they rotate games in and out so if players like the games they will but them when they are gone.
I got Final fantasy XV and Final fantasy X because of them being on Gamepass before buying later on.
I personally have my series s because of game pass, I only play game pass games on it. I'm a very casual gamer. So having game pass prevents me buying games that will sit around untouched for years.
Everyone just hates it because it’s a good deal and doesn’t allow Sony to monopolize the market with overpriced remasters, cough Last of Us cough.
Exactly ^^^
Video about Xbox pass, xbot defense force: But Sony!
You woukd think that having some many games on xbox pass would be an incentive to play them instead of coming here and cry about Sony, crazy idea i know
And for the record yes that remastee was a pointless remake but dumb people went and buy it because reasons , same reasons fifa and madden keep selling i guess
Why wouldn't they sell a last of us remaster when the hbo show just started?
@@shadowmaverick15 you're the one who's on this video whining 😂😂
@@TheDanimal91 And now a projection attempt has been made, ironic you complain about that but not a single word about OP , never understood what drives people to blindy defend corporations , lawyers do it because they get paid but you people on RUclips dont
I may just buy a couple years worth of gamepass in anticipation of the price hike lol.
I don't think your expectation with the numbers equate. How can all of the streaming services survive with similar monthly fees? They pay for and host significantly more content than Game Pass. If xbox only has to give money out to 100+ games companies (and eat the cost for the ones they own), that surely can be a larger payout then what Netflix has to do to produce /purchase media in the thousands.
I recognize the user base size difference between the 2 services, but that seems to scale with the amount of products being offered too.
Phil Spencer said it wasn’t bad for “ our” games…… but his “OURS” is about Xbox games not the industry
How about just paying for Gamepass with Microsoft reward points and not spending a penny?
Hey RGT I hope you are doing well my friend!
I think if they double the price of game pass,it's going to hurt sales of the Xbox franchise.its a great deal using game pass,and is part of the reason I've been an Xbox fan boy.ive been a loyal owner since the og Xbox.but,like everything,the price goes up on items,and there's nothing we can do about it.i know if Xbox starts playing price games,I might have to move on to the ps5...
You'll be ok with Xbox, PS+ increased it's price way more in 2023. PS+ doesn't have much to offer and they remove their 1st party games from the service at random without a headsup
Sold my xbox because how boring gamepass was.
I did too but not bc it was boring but bc my game catalog is already huge on other consoles and been playing some retro games