Fighting The Mud! Hauling Firewood With A Polaris ATV
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- This is an interesting time of year for firewood. Sales are still strong but the warm weather has softened the ground enough to keep the trucks far away from the stacks. Today we discuss the thought process behind my production yard and a solution to getting my firewood into the trucks.
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Really appreciate the stacking in truck explanation. Heard of "full truck, half truck load" "over size truck load" but the amount of wood you get is a matter of opinion. Your method is much more professional and gives customers confidence.
At least in Ohio, JB, the only legal way to sell firewood is in a cord or a fraction of a cord. My truck measures out nicely for all qtys at 1/2 cord and less. Joe
I stack all my deliveries for 2 reasons
1 it looks neater & 2 if the coustomer questions how much they are getting they can Google it before I unload it..
Plus I say what I am using for a truck and trailer in my Craigslist ads.
Nice looking load there Joe.. 👍
Thanks Dan... I think you should film one of your deliveries. Joe
@@ohiowoodburner : I was already thinking about that for 2021..
You were not kidding about the swamp. Your mindset is correct. Fix it with what I have.
Some of us call it the OODA loop. You must know it too. Observe, orient, decide, act. Outstanding progress.
Thanks for the comment Tom. It seems I should have been a civil engineer LOL... I'm always looking for an easier way to do things. I love innovation and feel more comfortable doing things differently but still recognize one must take action and get the work done. Joe
Hi Thomas - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. I used to say to the youngsters at work that tackling problems was just just a question of P,O & I - Planning, Organisation & Implementation. While I started it partly as a joke to enthuse them, it became a bit of a buzzword and they started to actually think about processes instead of just blindly following a procedure. I find it quite sad when I ask folk why they undertake a task the way they do and the response is either "that's the way I was told to do it" or "that's the way it has always been done".
Nothing better than Sunday morning cup of coffee with OWB. Thanks again
Or a cup of tea.. 😁👍 either way works..
Nothing better for me Katelyn than to read such kind words from you and the other subscribers! Joe
Joe my grandfather always said a little hard work will pay off in the end he was right when i was younger my brother and i would cut trees and carry them out of the woods to the truck in deep snow now we have tractors to do it after all the hard work it takes time
I think the other thing about this John is that I am full time so what else do I have to do other than load the trucks and deliver? LOL. It is an enjoyable lifestyle so you will never hear me complaining! Joe
Joe if someone showed up with my load stacked on their truck, I know I would repeat buy, great job !!
Thanks John! It's all part of the total package but it certainly sends a measage! Joe
I didn’t have “subscribe to a firewood channel” on my 2020 pandemic bingo card, but here we are. I am a out your age, Joe, and seeing how many times you have to put hands on a piece of firewood between splitting and delivering makes both my knees and back scream. Ouch. Seems to me the best place to increase efficiency and use less physical labor is the period between splitting and final loading in to your truck. Maybe the IBC totes would be a way to go. Of course that would also be the same area were you would need to invest in more machinery.
How are you doing Brian? Thanks for the comment and it seems you are on the same wavelength as I! lol. yes there has to be an improvement and addition to my process and that will come eventually. I have to make sure I get the correct machine for my needs at the right price. Joe
Great job on developing you business. My firewood business produced and sold over 350 cords each year for the last six years. The key to remember is everytime you touch the wood you loose 10% of your profit. Hand stacking to prove volume is a waste of time. Customers know how much they get when they stack it. Once you earn there trust no problems. I have converted over to face cord bags. In town customers love them. My suggestion is that you invest in a tractor to move your material and pull your dump trailer through the muck. Love the videos. Just keep it fun, not work.
Great post Howard and thanks for sharing your experience. I will be making a move towards what your mention in due time. I have a few steps in my way that must be accomplished before I know what direction to go in but it will happen. I hope you are well and please stick around. Joe
Joe, Great answer on my comment. Keep on Hand Loading.
Will do James! Joe
4:35 Absolutely hilarious!😅 Exactly my sense of humor😁
Like I said Johannes, the ATV is pretty old! Joe
Your base year round customers are restaurants and most of them have really have been hit hard by the covid restrictions . I hope they can all survive and can make it though ‘this , you need them too. It all adds up at the end of the year .
The restaurant struggles is what kept me from hitting my sales goal this year. Not going to lose sleep over it but it reinforced how important being in multiple markets is for me. Joe
G'day Joe, you keep up that hand stacking it's good for men our age. The alternative is to sell it unstacked by weight less handleling and the customer is also getting what they've paid for👍.
How are you Ish? I try to make all my efforts directed at creating value. Stacking certainly is one of the biggest contributors to that! Joe
If I was anymore in shape I'd be dangerous 😜But seriously we've knocked you know what out cold and we're going to have a normal Christmas country wide. Oh by the way that phone message I left you cost me a ten note now I know why you didn't reply. 👍🇦🇺.
Thanks for the fun content. And thanks for letting us know about armans high life
You got it Clinton. He channel is very good. Joe
That's some nice service on a load it shows that you are not a"Billy Bob" with a pick up truck and a chain saw . I for see a lot of regrind coming in to make a new wood lot.At least you are not watching Swamp Loggers for ideas and inspiration . Give heck Joe
LOL good post JRacat. I call it "a Poulan and a pickup." I remember all the grindings at the Causeway launch last summer those would look good at my place! Joe
You do what ever it takes to continue to provide the the service that your customers have come to expect and why , because we are doing it for a better life for us and our family .
Well said Eddie. Here is a short video that I LOVE and hits right at what you are talking about. ruclips.net/video/5XIGu3Kxg2I/видео.html
That 4wheeler is sweet wish I had one!
It is a surprisingly good machine. It is a 1998 and has been taken good care of. It is just covered in mud splatter fro m the previous few days. Joe
Like the trailer, I have one that I built for moving wood around the yard and out of the woods. Holds about 1/2 cord stacked. I engineered it with an ATV winch to dump it at the push of a button. Love the content, keep'em comin!
Thanks Jared. This trailer also has a rotating hitch so if the trailer tips over it won't take my little Polaris 300 with it. Nice little trailer. I like that it's galvanized steel so I don't worry about it rusting like my big trailer. Ugh. Joe
Count your blessings Joe. Being able to have wood uncovered this time of year is a major major major boon for being able to scale your volume. I would trade my dry ground for a swampy mess if I didn't have to deal with tarping and the wood thats still wet under a tarp and the high humidity here in the PNW. Your problem is easily solved. Putting up 100+ cords of wood in the Pacific North Wet is a much bigger task
That must be a challenge indeed NS. Probably if there was an ideal area of the country for firewood production there wouldn't be any trees to cut down. LOL. Joe
@@ohiowoodburner I've been paying all the extra taxes for climate to change. If I could cut a check and wake to be living in Northern California that'd be awesome. Besides the wildfires I guess but it's pretty ideal there. Pine, Fir, Oak, Cedar, dry weather besides the monsoons... Yeah, climate change is going to be great
Good video Joe. I see a road behind you by that dry land. Does your property touch that road? If so could connect a road from their. Low land is a pain. The most ideal way to remedy that is to dig out the soil until you hit solid ground and then fill it back in with larger rip rap, which is just larger chunks of gravel. Then near the top you use normal gravel. That's the way we did it in construction. Those ground mats are another decent way to go too. Well, best of luck Joe. Keep on keeping on!
Thanks for the comment SMHB. The road is a highway. If I cut into it I would have a State Trooper here in 2 seconds LOL. One thing all Ohioans have learned is to NEVER mess with the OSHP! I think what you discuss could work for my back lot but I also want to find the most cost effective way to complete this as well. Joe
Hi Joe...I think you would benefit from the installation of french drains. I also had drainage problems(heavy clay) and we dug a ditch, put 4 inch corrugated plastic pipe in the bottom, and filled the ditch to the top with 2B limestone gravel. You wouldn't have to fill the ditch as I did, but we have run off water that is now draining right into the ditch. My grass is finally growing, instead of drowning. Its an investment, but it looks like you have a sizeable lot there and could make a big difference in draining out quickly. Some experienced excavators could make suggestions for you. Enjoy your videos...keep em coming! Steve in Cumberland County PA
@Steve Keller I thought that too, but the topographical maps of his property show only a ~10 foot drop from the very back (east) to the front road (west) and there's no visible ditch on either side of the road to drain into.
Thanks Steve. I used to work out your way in Carlisle, York, Dallastown... Great part of the country. I had an excavator out here in the fall and discussed reworking the land, tiles etc. Very expensive. That was right before Logger Jesse fell into the oak mats. At least that can get me back to the back 40. Once I'm there I can figure out what needs to be done back there. I'm sure that is a lot of mud waiting to be kicked up there too. Joe
Great video Joe. A man's got to do what a man's got to do. What ever it takes to get the job done in a professional manner. I look forward to watching your business evolve. Did you ever make a video on the tarp contraption that helps you unload the wood? Go luck Monday night Browns are on a roll.
I have used it in a number of my delivery vids but never one dedicated to it. I have a link in my Amazon affiliate store in the description. Best $30 I have ever spent. Joe
Joe a lot of good info in this one and inefficient yes. I do many of those same things causing me to touch the firewood too many times but learn as we go. Love the trailer would really come in handy behind the Polaris Ranger hauling from the neighbors property. I just realized I wasn’t subscribed also, take care brother.
I subscribed to you guys as well Ben. lol. I need one of those Rangers. My little Polaris 300 is the little engine that could. It does a good job but it's getting old. It's a 1998. Joe
I feel your pain. I no longer stack firewood i sell. Just dont pay for the pain. And i brought a dumptruck.
Thanks Bird Hunter. The way I see it the value stacking brings is well worth the effort. I have found the best solution is to pay a HS kid $20 to do it. Joe
Great video Joe. Awesome to see and be a part of the journey as you grow. You have a great strategy going forward and planning your wood yard layout is awesome to hear. To me, having a goal and a vision is what keeps the “fire lit” so to speak to keep pushing forward. You are growing at a healthy rate by the sounds of it. Profits will come, more so after the first 5 years when it seems you are investing the most to get the equipment, tools, etc you need to support your growth. Keep up the great work Joe, your customers see it and have a great reason to come back to you. Have a great day Sir
Thanks for the super post Crazy Man. I really enjoy making the vids and it is people like you and your kind words that make me want to be even better at this. I hope you are doing well. Joe
Adapt, overcome!! I like the attitude of fixing problems without going into huge debt. Man dude, you are growing fast. Great video.
Thanks Harold. I keep doing what I'm doing. I remember when I first had a big growth spurt I just kept my head down and kept moving wood. When I looked up for a quick breath I was shocked at where I was! Joe
Another excellent video, thanks for posting it.
I've heard you mention the Posch PackFix a few times, and I'd like to offer a few thoughts on the subject, if I may.
You guys in the US appear to produce the great majority of your firewood in 16" splits, which I suspect grew from and fits neatly into your 'cord' measurement system, and for which I also suspect the great majority of your customers' burning systems are built to handle.
Over here in Ireland, and across Europe generally, we produce firewood in smaller sizes to suit our relatively smaller domestic fireplaces and indoor stoves.
The PackFix is a tremendous method of seasoning, storing, and handling firewood, but the bigger the material put into it, the less efficiently it works.
Almost all my product for sale is cut to 200-250mm (8-10"), which is what my domestic market demands, which tumbles and 'flows' nicely straight into the PackFix off the processor. It settles well, and yields a well shaped stable package when complete.
I cut bigger stuff for my own outdoor burner 450-500mm (18-20") or so, and this material does NOT play nicely with the PackFix!
It tends to bridge and create voids, and the final package is misshapen and unstable, becoming more unstable and saggy as the wood seasons and shrinks. Sometimes to the point of the whole thing falling over. They're also much less tolerant of handling and moving.
I'd strongly suggest you get the real-world experience of someone producing your standard firewood size in the PackFix system before you commit any money to it.
Keep up the good work!
Excellent post Ivor...Thanks for your sharing your insight and experience. I have talked with a gentleman from Michigan USA who uses the Posch a LOT and he too has learned the hard way you mention about voids, teepees, that can cause a blowout. I think the big challenge I have is I don't have a consistent paved work area that the Posch looks like it would enjoy. He LOVES his Posch however and has calculated the ROI to where it appears to be a better long term solution than the bags also considering when he retires he has a machine that has value which can be sold. I still don't know what to do and sinking the $10-$15k into a Posch and the $$ for rolls of wrap is a big mental hurdle for me. Joe
Does Polaris know that they had a vehicle that contributed to us history? Lol Seriously, the U.S. Military currently has Polaris UTV deployed and they are awesome. Another great video Joe! Be careful out there.
It's a little known piece of American history Dusty! Thanks for the kind words. Joe
With your growth continuing (congrats on that), minimizing the number of times you have to 'hand touch' the firewood from when it is first split, to stacking, to loading for delivery will be the name of the game. Adam at Hometown Acres, has developed a system using IBC tote cages and a small tractor to move his firewood around his wood yard.
I am looking into IBC but I'm not sure yet what to do. They look great but I don't know if I want to mess with the bladders. Of course if I could find a free source that may make things easier for me too LOL. Joe
Your setup is a lot like mine, I use a quad and trailer for most of my work, I've also started using my scraps and bark off the splitter and sawdust to put in my 4 wheeler paths it works well and is free lol. Both of my little trailers measure around 20 cubic feet so that's how I keep track by counting cart loads but then throw them in the truck or trailer
I think I am at 3 1/2 loads for a half cord. I can't remember bc I forget by the time I am finished! lol. It is a huge help especially this year given the ground isn't frozen. Joe
Another great video Joe!
Thanks Mike! Joe
Morning Joe,I'm going to try to get a small bagged fire wood business going in the fall, never sold wood before just cut and burned it myself about 7 cords a year. I have a lot of wood that my friends are letting me have from there lots so I'm cutting and splitting as much as I can to stock up.
That sounds like a good way to make $$ selling firewood. Split it small and keep your lengths consistent and you should be great. See some of my old vids about bundles. Also my branding vid has an offer that still stands for a good label for your bundles. Joe
And thanks for posting your entertaining and meaningful videos Joe!
Catch you next Wednesday.
God Bless.
Thanks Pierre. I am grateful for your support. Hello from Ohio USA. Joe
I have a Polar trailer I use to haul wood around with. It follows the AVT tires tracks just great.
My 4 wheeler is a 2011 Arctic Cat 350 4x4 pulls the trailer Just fine.
Just do what you need to do
That sounds like a nice set up Larry. Mine is a 1998 and it has been a very reliable machine. Joe
I have a 2008 polaris sportsman 500. The thing is an absolute beast and I havent run into anything that it hasnt been able to pull. The only problem is that its been broken down more then it has ran. But it's running now and I am having mud problems just as bad as you are. I got my truck stuck last week. Luckily my tractor was able to pull it out. I haven't driven back there since.
Ugh... mud My Polaris is a 1998, chain driven, has been pretty reliable for me. Joe
My DR trailer is identical to yours except mine has a little bigger tires from the looks of it. I pull it behind our mahindra side by side and its been a true work horse.
Look at the bright side, at least you have it and the 4 wheeler. Im not really thrilled with tsc or home depot trailers as much, they're not even in the same league as what we have as far as commercial utility trailers are concerned.
200 CORDS A YEAR! Holy smokes that's some serious wood goin on.
Im looking forward to seeing you grow and the changes that will come
Thanks Tom. I can't imagine 200 cords LOL considering where I came from. The Ultratec has come thru huge for me this year. I would be using my wheelbarrows if not for it. It's not fun pushing one of those thru wet mud. Joe
@@ohiowoodburner you know that's right
Looking forward to the evolution of the woodyard.
Thanks Jay. I'm glad to have you around. Joe
I don't know how your plan is but I'd contemplate putting logs on 1 side of your log road and blocks on the other. That way your wood is barely moving and you have 24/7/365 access to both your logs and your blocks.
Hi Alan... I'm not sure yet how far back the timber road needs to go. The ground gets pretty hard back there but still need enough road for the trucks to get in there in all types of weather and seasons. But I agree the relationship to the road and my ability to get the truck loaded and exit are paramount. I'm sure I will plan, change, plan again 100 times before it is good to go. Joe
Still no snow here, we got almost 2” rain Friday night through Saturday. Supposed to be cold next week so it should freeze the ground in the morning and make it solid.
The soft ground is really making things hard on us Joe. Now i got a hole in my muck boots. Need a new pair. Joe
Your doing a great job, Joe. Remember Rome or the Pyramids, weren’t built in a day!👍
Thanks Al. You got that right! Joe
Joe it appears you are going to need a helper if you grow. now would be a good time to start looking for a college kid that wants to work on weekends. and the helper can work during the summer.
Thanks Bill. I do have some help. I have two HS boys that stack for me. I don't put them in the vids bc they are minors...not sure how their parents would feel so I just avoid it. As for a FT employee I'm not sure yet. That is a major development that I don't know how and what to do with that yet. Someday maybe. Joe
Awesome video 🇺🇸👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it Mike!
Muck Boots are great I have been wearing them for over 15 years , they are especially good for sloging in the mud !
They are a requirement to live in Ohio Eddie! LOL. Joe
Hi Joe - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. I assume that your new muck boots, known here as Wellingtons, will be steel toe capped. Over 40 years ago a smallish split log fell onto my foot and I had a blackened big toe for months afterwards!
You make very good quality videos. Keep up the awesome work and even though I don’t know you I am very happy for you on the success of being self employed. I will get there one day!!!
Thanks for the kind words Jon. I still can't believe that I am where I am. It happened quickly but with purpose it seems. I know that you can do it too! Just start developing a plan and execute it. Joe
Look like a skid steer with a grapple and forklift attachments is needed in your future.
I totally agree Dale. I will need something but I have a few things to figure out before I know what direction to go in. I certainly could use some firm packed ground too! Joe
Joe, its never perfect, unless its on concrete and covered under roof, the freeze thaw cycles here in va change constantly in the winter, if we had not been for raising cattle for years, I would be in the same muddy conditions as you! Your doing fine! Take Care!👍🏼🇱🇷
Wouldn't that be awesome to be in a giant, vacant building, well lit, well ventilated. Ahh to dream! Thanks for watching Larry. Joe
Hello there, Anders form Norway again :-) I really enjoy your video´s . Here in Norway it has been extremely wet this winter...... only rain, rain and rain so it´s all muddy here as well. I am so glad that I build a pole house last summer, so I don´t have to worry that the wood are getting wet. All my wood have roof over it. I can recommend this ! There is just one thing that I wonder about in your production...... You are stacking and handling your logs indipendently many times..... You really spend a lot of time doing this. I am producing my firewood in big bags that fits on the pallet, or in smaller (60 or 40 liter) bags. That way I am lifting bags instead of single logs. This will still look verry organized and neat for your costumer I think, and they can still measure it to see that they get the correct amount of wood. I always produce the firewood that I am going to pack in smaller bags in IBC "cages" first, to dry, before I pack them in smaller bags. That way I wount have the shrinkage (10%) of the firewood when the drying happening in the bags. This way the bags stays tight and full at all time. :-)
Thanks for the great post Anders! Hello from Ohio USA. I like the idea of bags and perhaps I will give them a try sometime but I have a few steps that must take place before I get there. Only time will tell but I do realize I must improve and increase my machine footprint if I am to maintain and hopefully grow.
@@ohiowoodburner Time is money, but not compromize the quality :-)
Hi Joe- it's Big Rodders in Ireland again. Enjoyed Anders post and the good advice. However, my understanding is that the Scandinavians produce smallish logs so Ivor Clegg's excellent comments about log size is highly relevant when considering bagging, increasingly so as the bag size reduces.
@@rodneysweetnam8653 There is a good point there.... :-) Normal length for the firewood in Norway (and Scandinavia in general) is 30 cm (12``- ish...). But I thought that maybe because the "normal length" is longer "over there" that bags where made accordingly.... :-)
Hi Anders - it's Big Rodders again. The American Market seems to demand a minimum of 16 inch logs. I split to 12 inch max, often smaller and thinner than many others, just like the log sizes I observed during a wonderful coach holiday in Norway. Check out Ivor Clegg's Post in this video on the implications of log sizes with the Posch Packfix system.
Joe, I had to give you a like and comment for how old your four wheeler is!
Thanks jusbra! It is a 1998 but is very dependable. I hope you are doing well. Joe
Had my wood trailer stuck several times over the last few years. Mud is no fun! Keep thinking of solutions to issues.
Firewood and mud don't mix Steve! LOL. Joe
Hey what’s the first thing to do with movin to new location ? Build a road . Make area for logs ? These plans would make good content for upcoming video . Thanks. Craig. H burg
That is my plan Craig. It should be fun but it works better when my daughter is home from school She is my key camera person LOL. Joe
You get more wood in back of truck when you stack it also. Have you ever thought about putting some kind of drainage system in your yard for the water to run off.
Hi Kevin. I have looked into tiling the field but it is VERY pricey. That is why I went with the oak timbers and once I get back to the back 40 I will figure out what I'm getting in to then. Joe
@@ohiowoodburner you don't have to till you can rent a thing that pulls the pipe underground to whatever links you want. I can't remember what it is called.
yes, careful hand loading is best. wood is very destructive, belt loading or even hand throwing wood in would destroy the truck box
Thanks for the comment Joel. I like the hand loading. The savings are I don't have to stack by qty in the drying yard, and unloading the truck is much easier. Saves time when delivering Joe
It’s not always about the money. You need to follow though with what you committed to . Call anything you want , but call me back and Pay Me !
I'm hearing you Eddie. Focus on world class customer service and a fun work environment and profit will come Joe
I like your new video you did a really good jop today buddy how is the wood stove doing did you see me on live Friday night i love your video good jop today buddy
I did see you on the livestream TC! Thanks for the kind words. Hope all is well. Joe
Good night too you guys buddy
You hope things freeze up soon, otherwise you will have a mug hole by spring.
LOL I have a mud hole NOW Rosel! Thanks for watching and I hope you are doing well. Where are you from? Joe
@@ohiowoodburner I'm from South central PA, 16 mile north of Carlisle PA, In Perry County. All we have is hills here. I burn wood to heat my house. Don't sell any yet. I really enjoy your wisdom or growing pains that you have given so far. I watch all of your videos so far since you started.
Double the amount of wood so double the time to do deliveries?
How much can one person do?
Do you have a trailer?
Hi Don... I do have a 10' dump trailer but I don't use it for residential deliveries. I still don't think I am at my peak level yet. I can do more but I don't want this to became not fun. Joe
Hey I’m from Northeast ohio as well! Around what city are you from?
That does look like a pain in the butt. Your dealing with it the best you can that's what matters.
Thanks Tom. Dad always said I have two options. Complain or do something about it. Good words to live by. Joe
Take care of your back Joe. All that bending might take its toll.
I agree with you Ken. Honestly my truck usually gets loaded with my hired help but in this case she had to hold the camera! Joe
Tri-axel loads of gravel will get you out of the mud
Looks like a good way to get a dump truck into the mess too
I'm hearing you SF2. I think that will eventually be needed when I get moved out back. Joe
Oh and one other thing it’s the customers job to season/dry their firewood.
#NotOurJob
LOL... To each their own Joe. Hope you are staying out of the mud. Joe
It depends on the business and what they want to do. Not everyone is like you Joe's firewood videos some people appreciate there customers and do what they can for them.
Thank you Ohio wood burner for your videos really enjoy them
You need to get over the stacking delivery wood. As a firewood customer what I care about is amount of wood I pay for I get and that it burns. It looks nice my guy brings it loose but it's the right amount and it burns I'm satisfied. Think about it Joe your not getting any younger
I'm hearing you David. At least with what I am trying to accomplish many of my customers are new to firewood and they are on a learning curve just like me. Very few of them even have racks so that they would even know what I brought was correct to begin with. I still see a value in hand loading and honestly my hired help "usually" does the loading but in this case she had to hold the camera LOL. thanks so much for your comments David. I hope you are well. Joe
What is the posh pet thick?
Hi John... It is called the Posch Packfix. Here is a vid ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=posch+packfix
That thing is pretty slick! Wonder how much they run? You would have to have a good supply of pallets and probably a skid steer as well if ur storing in the yard and not on concrete.
@@juddmuterspaw4081 They run from $9k to $15k. One barrel or two barrels. You need the correct size pallet for each bundle and prob if they are stored on grass they would prob need two pallets...I would think they would sink etc. Joe
@@ohiowoodburner Thanks.
The tires on the trailer are mounted in the WRONG DIRECTION?
LOL you noticed. When I put them on I had the trailer laying on its back. I noticed when I flipped it onto the wheels. I just left them as is figuring it really doesn't matter that much. So much for my spatial reasoning score on the ACT. Joe
Makes no difference, since the trailer isn't powered.
Am I first comment here Joe?
You certainly are Sam! Joe
@@ohiowoodburner awesome! That comment about the 4 wheeler being at gettysburg was priceless Joe lol