What an excellent discourse of truth. If only there were no false ministers. If souls would study for themselves, satan would never have been able to deceive the whole of Christendom with false gods. The truth is plain and simple if you take the Word as it reads.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Romans 1:20 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Act 17:29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
We have one Father and one Saviour, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. The Bible is crystal clear about it. Everything else is a deception of Satan, who deceived and will deceive many. The truth needs to be spread before it's too late. 🙏🏻 “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” 1 John 1:3 “And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.” “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:” Revelation 22:1, 22:3
The Holy Spirit is not a third being. It's the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ. If we read throughout the Revelation, for example, everywhere, we can read about the throne of God and His Lamb. There is no single verse in the Scriptures that mentions that the Spirit would be an individual or a third being.
I am new to the Bible. Earthen Vessels consistently make sense of many queries I have. They have done it again in this video. The trinity did not make sense to me. This👆🏻 does. Thank you ❤
I really enjoy these fireside chats diving into fundamental truths of our faith. Thank you Chris and Bill for taking the time to explore the truth about the "trinity". It is so freeing to understand God properly. There is One God, the Father and His only Begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Spirit of God ministers in and through us while we are physically separated from the Father and Son. Oh that glorious day that approaches, when there will no longer be any separation! We will dwell with God when sin, death and the enemy have been destroyed. Praise God always and blessings to you both.
I thank God for guiding me , by His Spirit, into this truth. And I am so grateful for these dear brothers bringing us these videos and sharing the truths from God's Word. Thank you Bill and Chris! You both bring such joy when sharing the wisdom you have received from God.
BE very careful what is coming out of your mouth. Calling scripture/ passages unbiblical opens a can of worms. If you cant believe all of it , you shouldn't believe any of it. Calling a passage unbiblical because you don't understand it, does not make it wrong. After reading the comments, it appears there are a lot of assumptions are being made. I ask that you all humble yourselves and ask in prayer for the correct answer. I also ask that you pray for all of us so that we are not led into damnation by following false doctrine.
If any one has ever truly surrendered their life and will to God, and was heard by Him, you KNOW the feeling of calmness, relief, and happiness that the Comforter then brings to your existence.
I think it's also telling that Jesus tells us in Mat 28:18 that "All power is given unto me..." Well, if Jesus is the same as God with no distinction - then Jesus wasn't given power, he has power already. Jesus is telling them that his Father has given him all power because there is a distinction. He didn't give himself power.
I gave up years ago trying to "Know" who had the right answer. I accept Jesus Christ, Son of God and His Death, Burial and Resurrection 3 days later, as prophesied. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, "Lord you might be one or three, I'm not smart enough to know how you work. I Accept and love The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit."
Your accepting Jesus means nothing. Those few Jesus came to save understand the Bible. Those who give up trying to know are those Jesus did not come to save and this is why they struggle to know and understand the truths of Gods word. You have been deceived by the 100% apostate church.
@@canadiankewldude ,...The sad fact is, you are a perfect example of what fills all the churches. The completely Biblically illiterate. How sad is it when one is given some actual Biblical truth and their response is,...."Have you actually read the Bible"? You are told in 1st John Ch. 2, that the few actual Christians that exist all understand the Bible, and they understand it the same as they have all been taught by the Holy Spirit. They do not, not know the truths of the Bible, and they certainly do not give up trying to know. It is only the fake christians that fill all the 100% apostate churches that don't know and give up trying to know because God has blinded them and has hidden the truths of the Bible from them as they do not belong to him, they belong to the Godless world. This is why they have become snared into the apostate church. The church is for those who do not belong to God but who belong to the Godless world. Repent! "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1 John 2:27 KJV "10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12, For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13, Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16, But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.," Matthew Ch. 13, KJV
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV 19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Luke 3:22 KJV 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Matthew 1:18 KJV 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. God, the only true God; the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ; IS the Holy Ghost. There is no other Holy Spirit than He, & He was manifest in the body of His Son. John 4:24 KJV 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The roman/babylonian false doctrine of the "trinity" professes that Jesus has two different "co-equal, co-eternal" fathers. 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 God + 1 man doesn't = 3 "persons". Take heed that no man deceive you. -Jesus Christ
Growing up Lutheran we would recite the Nicene Creed, in pertinent part, about the Trinity: "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds.....begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made." It never occurred to me how this makes absolutely zero sense: God is the maker of all things - and there's Jesus who is begotten, but not made, because he's the Father. Even though to beget something means to father something via procreation. Poor Arias. I wonder if Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, was a "grievous wolf" in that he was an intentional abettor of Satan, or if he was a egotistic pawn?
While I believe that Jesus came from the substance of the Father (when he was begotten), the statement "being of one substance with the Father" is trinitarian through and through, as it implies that both Jesus and the Father are presently of one substance and therefore the same being. The Nicene creed is rather obscure and even mild in comparison with the more overt definitions of the trinity we see today in church creeds.
Oh-Boy, packed full of good bible quotes! I especially like the contrast between Heb 1:4, and 2:7, showing his birth from the Father, in contrast to his birth in Bethlehem. Heb 1:4 Jesus made BETTER than the angles. Heb 2:7 Jesus made LOWER than angles.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Romans 1:20 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Act 17:29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
I don't know if you've quoted this bible scripture anywhere in your videos, but I thought it was so amazing I wanted to share it with you. It's Romans 1:20. It says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" In other words, the Godhead can be explained by the things God has made. In Genesis 1:26-27 it says, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." I think Adam and Eve, man and woman, represent the Godhead. I think man is supposed to represent God the Father and woman is supposed to represent the Son of God. Eve, a woman, came from Adam, a man (from his ribs). Christ is the begotten Son of God. He came from God the Father (from his bosom, which, according to the Strong's concordance, is anywhere in the rib cage area). Jesus has two natures: divine and human. Men can only be called men. But women can be called man (as in mankind) and woman. I believe God the Father is the one true God and is the first person in the Godhead. I believe Jesus is the second and third person in the Godhead. Jesus in his human nature is the second person and Jesus in his divine nature is the third person.
In regards to your first paragraph, we are in total agreement. The creation of woman from the substance of Adam was an object lesson for all created intelligences. Just is woman is equal with man in nature, so Christ is equal with his Father in nature. "Adam was first formed, then Eve." (1Ti 2:13). It was done in that order to confirm that the man is the head of the woman. Likewise, the Father was first before begetting His Son. So whilst both the Father and Son are equal in nature, the Son submits to His Father because His Father was first "My Father is greater than I." Joh 14:28. In regards to Jesus being the second and third person of the Godhead, I do not see that the same way. The 3rd person of the Godhead is the Spirit of Christ as it was given after His ascension. We have a video on this subject here: ruclips.net/video/k571_ApKN8w/видео.html Blessings, Chris.
@@earthenvesselsministry I thought it would be a good idea to elaborate here on what "man is the head of the woman" means for the sake of people reading these comments because we know that scripture in this area has been misused by men, specifically husbands. Man as head of the woman is referring to the husband/wife relationship. It doesn't mean men are better. It doesn't mean God favours men over women. It's symbolic. And husbands, as head, are supposed to be servant leaders. They are not to flaunt their God given authority nor are they to be oppressive. And the SOP says that any husband who is proud, boastful, etc, should never utter the words "wives submit to your husbands". The bible says wives are to submit to their husbands as is fit unto the Lord. So if a husband asks her to do something that goes against the word of God, she's not to submit. Likewise, if a wife tells her husband to do something that goes against God, he's not supposed to submit. But if they tell eachother to do something that is in accordance with the word of God, they are to submit. SOP also says that wives should not blindly submit to their husbands. And she warns that when a wife blindly submits to her husband, she becomes enmeshed with him, and loses her individuality. When a wife loses her individuality, she loses her ability to critically think. When she can't critically think, she's more susceptible to being deceived. The misuse of scriptures that have to do with husbands and wives have lead people to believe, and teach, that wives have to stay with abusive husbands. But that's not true. The SOP even talks about how sometimes for the sake of the souls of the entire family, husbands and wives will have to separate. Who do you believe is the first and second person in the Godhead?
@@patsda6405 We know that EGW calls the Sprit of Jesus the third person of the Godhead in the context of the post resurrection outpouring of the Spirit given on the day of Pentecost. This term has a very specific meaning and EGW used it to teach a very specific point as is shown in the video link I shared. The word Godhead in the simple sense means divinity. Both the Father and Son possess divinity. Yet I do not feel it is necessary to state that the Father and the Son are the first and second person of the Godhead, as the Bible never does so, nor the SOP in my knowledge. The Bible does not even use the term third person of the Godhead. So outside of the context of the SOP and those who would dialogue upon those SOP statements, I would even avoid the term third person of the Godhead.
Pat,....Sorry, but you have this all wrong. Woman is and represents the devil/satan, absolutely not Jesus and the Holy Spirit as you being satan, have tried to say. The words devil and satan represent the evilness, wickedness, ungodliness, and corruptness eve had hidden in her heart that she imparted into all mankind. The serpent in the garden was eve. The serpent represented this hidden EVEilness eve had in her heart. As a serpent (snake) hides in ambush ready to strike, so too does the evilness in the hearts of all mankind (especially women) hide waiting to strike. You, like eve want to be the one in control and dont want to listen to God or any man (Adam). You, like all women are adverse (satan) to God, Gods commands, laws, and ways, and to the men God put in authority over you. You have shown that you have yet to become born again and remain spiritually dead and blind. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
@@earthenvesselsministry Hi. Did you mean to share the video link called "The Altar of the Lord"? Is this video link supposed to explain the "Spirit of Jesus"? Could you give me the name of the book(s) of EGW where she talked about the "Spirit of Jesus the third person of the Godhead in the context of the post resurrection outpouring...." Thanks so much.
I've tried to watch segments of this video many times to see you where you guys are supposedly "proving" that the Trinity is not biblical. But as far as I can tell, I have not seen you prove that at all. For example, when the one man says that Christ is the core of the faith (which is true), he then leaps to the conclusion that the Trinity is therefore false. But that's a non-sequitur, since *both things* can be true (and are, IMO) at the same time.
But who is Christ? Is He not the Only-Begotten Son of God? But if you believe in the trinity, you do not believe that Jesus is God's only Begotten. A belief in the trinity and the belief that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God are mutually exclusive. How so? Because, as a trinitarian, you believe that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father. This means that Jesus did not have a beginning, and without a beginning you cannot the son of anybody. Holding that Jesus has no beginning, you must necessarily make Jesus' sonship metaphorical, and by denying that father/son relationship you make God a liar and become an antichrist. *Who is a liar* but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? *He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.* (1 John 2:22) When you believe in the spinning globe, you don't really know how absurd your belief is until a flat earther shows you the contradictions you have. The trinity is the same, more serious.
@@earthenvesselsministryI can be a Trinitarians and still believe and do believe Jesus is the SON OF GOD, born of a virgin and died and is glorified with the same Glory he had with His Father BEFORE the world was created. The Father eternally existed and so did the Son. Son was not created, but existed in the beginning with God and is God.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 You cannot believe that Jesus is the Son of God and remain trinitarian because if Jesus eternally existed as the trinity says (He has no beginning), you have no way of explaining how He is the son of God in any real sense. You can’t say Jesus became God’s Son at Bethlehem, as God only sent His Son into the world at Bethlehem. If you want to remain trinitarian the only ‘explanation’ you have is to say that Jesus sonship is metaphorical. But in so doing you make God a liar
@@earthenvesselsministry Trinitarians do not make Jesus’ Sonship metaphorical. You are the one with the incorrect and unbiblical interpretation of the Father/Son relationship. Those who deny the Eternal Sonship of Christ upon the supposition, that the father must exist prior to the son, compare God and His Son to an earthly man and his son, and confound human with divine generation. To compare the generation of God’s Son with that of an earthly man’s son, is absurd. For if there be the least correctness in it, the existence of God might as well be compared with that of a man. But who would suppose that God’s existence is exactly like that of an earthly man? The answer ought to be no one. “A being begets its like-a human father having descended from a father cannot beget a son, who has not also a beginning. God the Father, neither had a beginning, nor a father prior to himself. How then can any one conclude that his Son is like the sons of men, or that he like they must be posterior to his Father? Such a conclusion is absurd, seeing God bears no analogy to human fathers.” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 22. “If God were like a man, they [i.e. Unitarians] might establish this hypothesis. But since He is not like a man, it is vain to compare the generation of God’s Son with that of the son of a man,…” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 23. “…it is to be observed that God exists out of time, for He inhabits uncircumscribed eternity; hence if He have an only begotten Son, the express image of His person, His generation has nothing to do with time, but is eternal, immutable, it is the perpetual resplendence of Jehovah’s uncreated glory.” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 25. “The Father possessed the Son in the beginning of his way, before creation, and, of course, his eternal way; for the Son ‘was set up from everlasting,’ that is, he was eternally set up. There never was a time when the Son was not set up; for he was by the Father as one brought up with him, or his equal in age, ‘rejoicing always before him.’ His ‘goings forth,’ like those of the Father, were ‘of old, from everlasting.’ He was in the beginning ‘God-with God;’ the creator of all things, ‘and before all things;’ ‘the first and the last,’ as is ‘the Lord of hosts.’ Isaiah xliv. 6: ‘I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.’ Hence, nothing can be more evident than that the Son is from eternity, or without beginning, as is the Father.” - John Rankin, “An Antidote for Unitarianism,” 1841, p. 51. “To deny the eternity of the Son, would be to deny the eternity of the Father. One relation can be no older than the other. If there was a time when the Son did not exist, there was no Father at that time; as the Father is such only in reference to the Son. The Father was not the Father before the Son existed; therefore, if the Son is not eternal, the Father is not.” - Hiram H. Mattison, “A Scriptural Defence of the Doctrine of the Trinity,” 1851, p. 54.
@@ArtisticKid316Since you reject that Jesus’ sonship is metaphorical, you must believe that Jesus is God Only Begotten Son in a true and literal sense then. Now explain to me how Jesus is God’s literal Son without his having a beginning.
The trinity is only a CONVENTIONAL doctrine INVENTED by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. The doctrine of a TRIUNE GOD is NOWHERE suggested by the scriptures. Further, there is HUGE evidence - as big as a mountain - that no trinity can exist: due to the alleged CLOSE UNION of three persons, Jesus were supposed to ALWAYS state that He is with 1. Father and 2. Holy Spirit. On the contrary this NEVER happens. Jesus had NO IDEA at all of what a triune God is supposed to be! He DOZENS OF TIMES crystal clear stated to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER. The inventors of the doctrine didn't figure out that the "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit) is not different from "GOD (the Father) WHO IS A SPIRIT" (Jn. 4:23,24). They are not TWO distinct Spirits but the SAME One. Thus, NO THIRD PERSON EXISTS. This means that in Mt. 28:19 the "Holy Spirit" is the "Father who is a spirit" whereas the "Father" is the Father who is NOT a spirit, i.e. He is the "normal" God who is not here - nobody ever saw Him - and decides the God's actions. He is the DISTANT SOURCE of the "Spirit of God". If you need some more evidence, there are also clear passages that are INCOMPATIBLE with the trinity doctrine "But, of the day and the hour, no man knows, no, not the angels in heaven OR THE SON, but the FATHER ONLY knows." (Mt. 24:36). That verse clearly SPECIFIES that neither the Son nor the ALLEGED third divine person know the future. The trinity doctrine states the opposite: Son and third divine person are CO-OMNISCIENT. Well, Jesus is perfectly right whilst the trinity doctrine states falsehood. Also here you can see that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON exists: " No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.". A private matter between Father and Son, TWO divine Persons.
I totally agree that a triune god is nowhere found in scripture. The inventors of the trinity doctrine knew that that they were saying was a lie. To invent a lie, you must know the truth: 1Jn 2:22 *Who is a liar* but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that *denieth the Father and the Son.* [as the trinity doctrine does] In regards to the day and the hour of Jesus' coming, Jesus is not in the dark regarding this. He is the only begotten Son of God "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) and therefore He possesses all of the divine attributes that the Father does such as omniscience. When Jesus said "that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Mat 24:36) Jesus was not teaching that He doesn't know when He will return, but that it is the Father's prerogative alone to make known the day and hour. The Father will at some point during the 7 last plagues make known the day and hour. The same word for 'know" is used by Paul in the verse below, and Paul did not mean to stay that he was ignorant of all other knowledge, but that he was not going to declare other things. It is in this sense that Jesus used the same Greek word. 1Co 2:2 For I determined *not to know* any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
@@earthenvesselsministry Jesus actually doesn't know the hour. This is why. The almighty God is not here. Where is He? In the past, since He was able to make his work even in a distant past, "before the foundation of the world". At that time (before "universe time" existed) He was able to see into his future, to speak and to take actions in it. This means that from our point of view a kind of TEMPORAL BRIDGE exists: God can reach to us, now, from the past. From the past God is VIRTUALLY here, that is, actually NOBODY is here, this is why you can say that God is "like a spirit" here. He is the "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit). This is why Jesus states "nobody has seen God at any time" "the world has not known you" "God is a spirit". That was from OUR POINT OF VIEW. But from GOD'S point of view things are very different. He was able to complete ALL his "almighty God's work" before the universe started, so that his almighty power was no longer necessary. He got rid of it to become like a normal man: the SON of God. "Son" just means He DERIVES from God, this is why He states "He who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Thus, the Son of God is the only one divine Person actually here, He is the ONLY KING of heaven. He is a non-omnipotent God, but the almighty "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit) is with Him.
Matthew 28:19 KJV 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: = Acts 2:38 KJV 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Hebrews 1:4 KJV 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they. John 5:43 KJV 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 14:26 KJV 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, He that hath an ear to hear let him hear. -Jesus Christ
We constantly affirmed that Jesus is God through this discourse, and understand this verse to refer to Jesus who is God and is indeed great. But do you not accept the verse below that mentions both Jesus and the Father, and says that there is one God, and that the One God is the Father? " *But to us there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.": 1Corinthians 8:6 Jesus is indeed God, but when we talk about the One God, we are not talking about Jesus according to this verse.
The Trinity is Catholic paganism. Jesus is fully God in the flesh. Godhead is body (Jesus), soul (God the Father) and spirit (Holy Ghost) Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.” John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?” We are made in God’s image as a 3 part being: 1 Thessalonians 5:23 “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Yes, In Christ "God was manifest in the flesh". As God's Only Begotten Son, Jesus inherited all the attributes of deity, in other words, "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". Because He possesses divine attributes, Jesus may be called God. But the Father is nevertheless a separate individual to His Son. Jesus was "the Only-Begotten of the Father" (John 1:14) which necessitates that the Father is someone else. You cannot beget yourself. God sent His Son, not Himself. Jesus Himself declares His Father to be the Only True God, who is distinguished in the verse below as distinct from the One who was sent: Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God* , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. There is only One God according to Paul, and it is the Father: 1Co 8:6 *But to us there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. The Lord Jesus Christ has a God and Father, whereas the Father does not: 1Pe 1:3 *Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* , which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
I’m struggling with this concept- Jesus was called God in different scriptures of the Bible, and you say He may be called God, but He is a separate individual from God the Father, and there is only one God. How can these things all be true at once?
@@christinagottesman7264 trinity is God in 3 persons whereas Godhead is three parts of one being I think . Jesus is “God manifest in the flesh” “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)
@@christinagottesman7264 The principle point is that Jesus has a God and Father, while the Father is supreme. Notice that Jesus calls the Father 'My God' Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of *my God* , and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of *my God* , and the name of the city of *my God* , which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from *my God* : and I will write upon him my new name. When the Bible talks about there being 'One God', it is never referring to Jesus but the Father 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but *one God, the Father,* of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him Even Jesus excludes himself from being the 'One God': John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ,* whom thou hast sent. Jesus is God yes, but this title He received from His Father as an inheritance: Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as *he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.* Jesus' divine nature and the titles He bears did not originate in Him, but were passed on to Him by the Father as a birthright: John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; *so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;* It's much like how Adam and Eve were both created equal in nature (not that Jesus was created, He was begotten). Both Adam and Eve were equally 'man' as in an order of being, but Adam was first which gave him the position of authority. As far as their children were concerned, their authority was equal, but between one another there is a deference. Even though Jesus is equal in nature to His Father, the Father is His source. As far as creation is concerned, their authority is equal. But between one another there is a deference. While Jesus is God or Divine, He is not the source of that divinity. For the reason of His beginning being in the Father, Jesus is not the 'One God'.
@@christinagottesman7264Trinity is true, anybody that tries bring up religion other than scripture is trying throw you off and start off with ad hominem attacks instead of going to the Bible. Jesus is God and Son of GOD because he was Born of a virgin… he is not Less than the Father in the sense that he is God, though he SUBMITTED HIMSELF to obedience to the Father, even the death of the cross. He was a picture of sacrifice as Abraham was taking his son to the mountain. 2 Persons, The Father SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON who only has 1 FATHER WHICH MAKES HIM EQUAL TO GOD!!!! Read Phil. 2
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod For starters, here's an example, the Lutheran church recites the Nicene creed. Aside from the part about one holy catholic church it declares the relationship of Father Son and Holy Spirit quite beautifully. Yet they'll also sing about God in three persons and say one being.... which I used to consider as truth now... im questioning leaning toward that being deception. I'm also trying to understand how it's not a semantical argument... ? There are three parts of Yah the God head, His Spirit, and His son... which in essence does make a trinity? Still working it out. Yah has really put this in my mind lately He keeps bringing it back up. So it must be important for me to grasp.
@@LandofMilknHoney the truth is really easy to understand, there is one God the Father, God is one person, monotheism. The Father is the creator of all creatures and all creation. And Jesus is the Christ who was made of a woman, a virgin named Mary, the Son of God started his life as a man (son of man), a descendant of King David (the messiah must descend from David). He died for our sins and God resurrected him exalted him and glorified him. He is the firstborn of the dead, the first of many people. All of the saints just as Jesus was. And Jesus will let us eat from the tree of life, the one that Adam was banned from eating and died. The Holy Ghost is simply the Word of the LORD, God speaking, God saying things. The Word in John 1:1 is God speaking, it's the Holy Ghost. Mary told the angel who said she was going to have a son "Be it so according to thy word" and the Word (what was said) was made flesh, her son was born. (Baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ)
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod There are many verses that talk about Yeshua being with Yah in the beginning, and through him all things are made... so it's not so cut and dry or easy to understand, especially when one has been taught the trinity since childhood.
Trinitarian Adventists like to misconstrue some statements she made to claim that she believed in the trinity. But the catholic doctrine of a three in one god cannot be sustained from any of her writings, neither the word of God. As far as there being three persons, she said words to that effect. But what was being conveyed in those statements was not the trinity, but the truth that the Holy Spirit is in fact the person of Christ, divested of humanity, sent to minister to the church on earth. She was teaching that the Spirit is not just some force as many teach, but the personal presence of Christ. Here are some examples of what she believed in this respect: “The work of the Holy Spirit is immeasurably great. It is from this source that power and efficiency come to the worker for God; and the Holy Spirit is the comforter, as *the personal presence of Christ to the soul..* “PCL 304.1 “The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be…” 8MR 49.3
The "spiritual structure" of God can be discerned by a close reading of Revelation 4 and 5. Revelation 4: There is one God: I AM, who is the ONE who sits on the throne (Rev. 4:2) with his rainbow about him. The 3 Holies (mistakenly identified as, "the Trinity") are the IMAGE of I AM, and together make up the ONE who sits on the throne: Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit. The ONE who sits on the throne is worshiped in his IMAGE in 3 sets of 3: (Rev. 4:8) - Holy, holy, holy (3); Lord, God, Almighty (3); who was, and is, and is to come (3). I AM, the ONE TRUE GOD, is finally worshiped for being The Creator of all things (Rev. 4:11). There is ONE GOD made up of 3 components: Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit; The 3 Holies, The Image of I AM. The Son sits on the Throne on the right of the Father. Both the Father and the Son are 100% fully indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Together, all 3 make up I AM. No inconsistencies; the Father and the Son are ONE in I AM. The Holy Father NEVER leaves the throne (omniscience); The Holy Son goes forth into the world (omnipresence), and the Holy Spirit indwells them each with all the power of eternal existence (omnipotence). The Holy Father and Holy Son are identical named spiritual beings; the Holy Spirit is not a named being, but a separate entity of the eternal power, energy, and living force inside the two beings of Father and Son. Note that all the worship of all the living beings in Heaven is directed to only two entities: I AM, for Creation (Rev. 4:11); and The Holy Son, for His Redeeming Sacrifice which makes Glorified Man “kings and priests” (Rev. 5:9-10). I AM is worshiped by The 24 Elders and the 4 Living Creatures. The 24 Elders are the IMAGE of Glorified Man as Kings (gold crowns) and Priests (white raiment). The IMAGE of Glorified Man is led in prayer by the 4 Living Creatures. The 4 Living Creatures are the IMAGE of The Son, AND the IMAGE of the 3 Holies. The IMAGE of the 3 Holies is the Lion = the Holy Father; the Ox = the Holy Son; the Eagle = the Holy Spirit. The IMAGE of the Son in the 4 Living Creatures is the Lion (King), the Ox (Sacrifice), the Man (the IMAGE of God in the flesh, the physical manifestation of Holy Son and Holy Spirit in Jesus specifically, and Mankind in general), and the Eagle (the Priest). Thus, the IMAGE of the Son, along with the IMAGE of Glorified Man, together worship I AM, the ONE who sits on the Throne in Revelation 4. In Revelation 5, the Son comes to the right hand of the Father on the throne in the IMAGE of the Sacrifice, the Lamb who has been slain. He is identified as the only MAN worthy to open the book in all of Heaven and Earth. Without ever using His Holy Name, Jesus Christ is introduced in the form of the 4 Living Creatures: The Lion of Judah (Lion/King), The Root of David (Man/Flesh), The Lamb who was slain (Ox/Sacrifice), with The Seven Spirits of God, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Eagle/Priest). The Lamb (the IMAGE of the SACRIFICE, the Ox, the Son, Jesus Christ) is then worshiped alongside I AM (the ONE who sits on the throne) by all Creation-represented in the 4 LIVING CREATURES in general, but specifically Glorified Man, in that “He made us Kings and Priests”: Rev 5:9-10 - “…saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests…” Revelation 4 Summary: The 3 Holies are the Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit. They are the Image of I AM. I AM is worshiped for Creation. Revelation 5 Summary: The 4 Living Creatures are the Lion, Ox, Man, Eagle. They are the Image of the Son as King, Sacrifice, fleshly Man, Priest. The Son is worshiped for His Redeeming Sacrifice. I AM and The Son are worshiped equally by all Creation.
Sorry, but you have not correctly understood Gods word. God is not three, God is seven as the Bible clearly tells us. You have spoken false manmade unbiblical nonsense. Repent! Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 4:5 "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead." Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;"
@@awatchman-um7vyI’m sorry but you really read between the lines before reading THE LINES… lol If God was 7 it wouldn’t strictly be mentioned in 1 Book out of 66. Sorry, better luck next time
@@JoshuaMSOG7 ,...I already showed you (let the Bible speak) very clearly that the Bible tells us that God is seven spirits, and not three, and not two, not one, but seven. Your statement about the actual truth of the Bible I gave you for your edification only being in one book is beyond ignorant. It gives away the fact that you are spiritually dead and blind, and completely Biblically illiterate. No Biblical truth given to those like you will mean, nor change a thing. The truth of the Bible means nothing to you. It is not understandable to you. Only false teaching is understandable and acceptable to you. Also, I will mention for your edification that you will also reject, because it is the truth of the Bible, why do you think God had Israel make a golden candlestick that represented God to have seven lights/candles? The Menorah that God had Israel make to represent him also tells those with eyes to see, (the spiritually alive) that God is seven spirits. Exodus Ch. 25, 31, "And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same. 32, And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side: 33, Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick. 34, And in the candlestick shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers. 35, And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick. 36, Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one beaten work of pure gold. 37, And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it." I know this is way, way over your head, but nevertheless, the three candles/lights on either side of the center candle/light represent the Bible that is made up of two halves/covenants. These are the two witnesses of Revelation Ch. 11. The old covenant, and the new covenant, the Bible. I have been told (saw a video that explained) that if we add up all the knops and flowers of the candlestick as God told Israel to make, it comes out to be 27 on one side, and 39 on the other with the adding in of the center candlestick. This of course comes out to be 66 altogether. However, I have not worked all this out for myself and cannot confirm this for sure. It doesn't matter as I already understand what the truth of this is. This is just an interesting technicality.
If he said I and the father are one and the same spirit that raised him from the dead lives in us if we believe and we are the body of Christ then we are all one whether you call it a Trinity or not? Is this just semantics?
The Trinity denies the sonship of Christ by way of saying that Jesus had no beginning (Trinitarians claim that Jesus is co-eternal). He cannot be God's Only Begotten Son and have no beginning. The trinitarian denial of Christ is far from semantics
Why can he not be God's only begotten Son and not be Co eternal? I don't see how the two really affect each other? Is it the word begotten itself? When he said let there be light in Genesis? Let us create man in our image? Jesus always was he's the alpha, the Omega, the beginning and the end.
@@RedWhiteBlueYo Since begotten means to be born, Jesus cannot be co-eternal and also begotten because anyone who is begotten has a beginning. Since God gave us His only begotten Son as it says in John 3:16, God first needed to have an only begotten Son to give. In other words, Jesus was God's only begotten Son before God gave him to humanity in Bethlehem. Unlike angels and man who were created, Jesus was begotten of the Father's own divine substance, which makes Jesus as divine as His Father is. Bethlehem was in fact Jesus' 2nd birth, while His first was in heaven long before the earth was created. It was at His birth in eternity that Jesus became God's only begotten Son. The verse below confirms that Jesus had a beginning, as it says that His 'goings forth' (which in Hebrew means family descent) was from 'the days of eternity': Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; *whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.* (KJV Margin)
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Ok. All power in heaven specifically means he is God, the definition of God is that he has all power. That is a pretty strong argument?
Who can deny that Jesus has all power and is God? But this does not make him "the One true God" as Jesus Himself says that title belongs to His Father and not Himself (John 17:3). The fact that Jesus is God also does not deny fact that Jesus Himself has a God and Father (1 Peter 1:3, Eph 1:3). So while Jesus is God, there is only one God Almighty, and that is the Father who is greater than Jesus according to Jesus: Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for *my Father is greater than I.* John 14:28
Read John 14 carefully...you will see that he refers to himself both as the Father and as the Holy Spirit...vs. 9 ...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father...vs 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Of course we need to understand that Jesus is the Fullness of the Godhead Bodily. We are made in His image...Body, Soul and Spirit. Hear Oh Israel the Lord your God is One God. God does Not change.
Jesus is the physical, flesh and blood manifestation of The Holy Son. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual manifestation of The Holy Son. One and the same entity manifested differently.
@@bluevireo425That’s not true, if it was Jesus himself he wouldn’t say “ I will pray to MY FATHER, and he will send you ‘ANOTHER’. He won’t say “ I must go for it I do not, the Comforter can not come.” Please make sense out of scripture and stop reading it your theology.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 I guess you didn't read in verse 18 where Jesus says in John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. And in John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long with you Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ....and 10 "...Believest thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me?"...There is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit...and these three are One. But there is an order...and the Father is greater than Jesus as He describes in verse 28..." I go unto my Father for my Father is greater than I" And don't forget Isaiah 9:6...and Revelation 1:8....Jesus is described as the Almighty. I do not pretend I can understand fully the union between God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I just know that Jesus is also God....for God was In Him reconciling the World unto Himself.
The truth about who God is, and who His Son is, is so simple a child could understand it. The confusion does not come from the Bible, but the theologians who have put false conceptions over plain passages of scripture. We have a book on this subject that may help you static1.squarespace.com/static/5cd8937e6d9714000196ea70/t/632cfac45145c069f1951007/1663892181668/AJAG+Bible+only.pdf And also see this video playlist m.ruclips.net/p/PL7lK9sn7cV1mjrppAl5xENAcVLQflZ9pa May God bless your search
Absolutely not. As the only begotten Son of God, Jesus possesses the attributes of deity in their fulness. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. The difference is that Jesus is subject to His Father. Not because Jesus is inferior in nature, but because His Father pre existed Him, and gave Him existence.
@@earthenvesselsministryThe Father pre-existed the Son? Here’s a clue you’re strongly mistaken …. 1) If God was always been a FATHER even before creation, he is FATHERING SOMEONE 2) If God is a Father, he has a SON 3) If the Father has always existed AS A FATHER, so the SON has ALWAYS existed as a SON 4) If the Son was LOVED BEFORE THE CREATION … then he always was , is and WILL BE Uncreated. Therefore concluding the Son of God, ONLY BEGOTTEN is Truly God, Born of a virgin, under the Law who submitted himself unto the Father whom NO ONE KNOWS EXCEPT THE SON!!! Now about scripture? Where do you want me to start? Genesis? Judges? Zachariah? Isaiah? Jeremiah? Cause it will be too easy to start in the New Testament.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 God was not a Father before He had a Son. You don’t believe the God is the father of Jesus since you believe Jesus to be co-eternal (has no beginning)
@@earthenvesselsministry ”Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?“ Proverbs 30:4 KJV This was in the Old Testament, there was a Son & His Father and they are ONE ! ”And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:“ John 17:22 You’re not that far from a Jehovah witness when they misuse/ misinterpret John 17:3 . God was always a Father who is the source of all things and Through his WORD…. Who became flesh CREATED ALL THINGS. You can’t separate them but you can distinct them. Trinitarians confess and do believe JESUS the SON of God because he has 1 FATHER, not Joseph, but GOD THE FATHER & all what belongs to God the Father belongs to God the SON! This is scripturally & makes sense under Trinitarians theology. John 17:10 - 10 Everything that is mine is yours and everything that is yours is mine; I have been glorified in them.
Ireneaus (c. 130 - c. 202 AD), one of the Early Church Fathers (pre-Nicean) brought up aspects of this as a means to debunk Gnosticism that was pervading the culture and church. Gnostics wanted to claim adherence to Jesus to gain the Christian masses, yet they denied his Father, God. They also wanted to deny anything godly being accomplished in the flesh of Jesus Christ, so made up all sorts of strange teachings about him, yet trying to tie it in with their deities hierarchy (pleroma, demiurge, and so forth). I think Ireneaus meant well by dispelling Gnosticism by claiming you can’t have one (Jesus) without the other (The Father). Sadly, this became more and more conflated, to the point that by Tertullian’s day, (c. 155 AD - c. 220 AD) Tertullian is the first to coin the term “Trinity” in his writings. It’s such a tragedy this has become such a point of division in the Church of Christ, as Ireneaus was simply trying to warn against the dangers of Gnosticism in his most famous work “Against Heresies”.
I am not familiar with what Irenaeus said specifically regarding the trinity issue, but he was certainly on point with many things and did indeed combat the gnostic denial that Jesus came in the flesh.
The term biblical is not in the bible, neither is the term bible, yet they are perfectly valid to use, as you do also. The doctrine of the trinity comes from the word plainly read and believed and not instead 'rationalized' with the understanding of men. Only in the presence of unbelief (e.g. liberal textural criticism) are the meanings of John 1:1-2 and 1 John 5:6-7 so twisted to explain away the mystery of Christ Jesus as Lord and the only begotten of the Father. The conjectures, assertions, red herrings, and straw-manning was terribly painful to sit through and watch. The perspective espoused in this video comes from a place of high-mindedness and headiness and lacks grace.
Thank you, very well done. I do have a question why do you still use the pagan names for YHWH and Yeshua ? You have done a good job of working outside of the Greco-Roman Babylon theology, but you might pray for more understanding. Shalom
Thank you friend. We use the names and titles we do in accordance with the New Testament. When Luke (a Greek physician) wrote the book of Acts, he wrote it in the tongue best suited for it’s intended audience, the Lingua Franca of late antiquity- Greek. Luke penned in Greek the famous line: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is *none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.* The name Luke was referring to was given two verses earlier as “Jesus Christ of Nazareth” not in the Hebrew or Aramaic tongue, but the Greek. Jesus is not a pagan name, but simply a transliteration of the Greek name Iesous. I have heard of the rediculous claim that this has something to do with Zeus. As for the English title ‘God’, apostle Paul (and all the NT writers) used the Greek title that corresponds to this which is Theos. Therefore, using God and Jesus are in complete harmony with NT practice and teaching. The Tetragrammaton does not appear once in the entire NT. Nor does the name ‘Yeshua’. To stress the use of such names and titles is a departure from New Testament religion.
@earthenvesselsministry thank you for your prompt reply. So you are saying that the angel told Mariam to call her son Jesus? Just want to be clear that is your message.
@@davidwenger9821 I am not saying anything about that. What the angel told Mary to call her son is beside the point. The names and titles were penned by the inspired writers in Greek. To argue against the use of Greek names and titles is to argue against the inspiration of God.
@earthenvesselsministry in 7 months I've gone from being trinity believer (57 years) , to then to study of Torah and the Tanach, to the true Sabbath put down by YHWH in the Torah to just recently to the true shape of this world. My prayer is that you, too, can open your eyes to new truth.
By the way, I know that mainline SDAs are Hell-deniers, which is very serious false doctrine which causes legions of people to actually *go there forever.* What say you two, Mr. Chris and Mr. Bill? Do you guys also deny eternal punishment for souls in Hell, just like your fellow SDA colleagues do?
No, we do not subscribe to Roman Catholic theology. The Bible does not teach that the wicked will burn forever, but that they will burn to ashes after the judgment: Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh *shall burn them up* , saith the LORD of hosts, that *it shall leave them neither root nor branch.* Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for *they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this* , saith the LORD of hosts. If the wicked will be burned up as ashes under the saints feet, how can they burn forever? The scripture says they are left neither root or branch. Satan is the root, his servants the branches. After the fire of hell is done with the wicked, they will be "as though they had not been" Obadiah 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and *they shall be as though they had not been.* Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and *devour them;* and there shall *not be any remaining of the house of Esau;* for the LORD hath spoken it. Even the devil will be reduced to ashes: Eze 28:16 … *I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,* from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth *a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes* upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. There are more of these. If you are going to try and prove eternal torment from the Bible, you need to answer these verses first otherwise you will make the Bible contradict itself.
@@earthenvesselsministry We too do not subscribe to Roman Catholic theology, but we do subscribe to the Bible. And the Bible clearly teaches that the wicked will be eternally punished in Gehenna whether you subscribe to the Bible or not. “THOSE who oppose the Bible doctrine of everlasting punishment present a number of texts of Scripture that to them seem like bulwarks of truth in opposing a never-ending hell. These scriptures they quote as fluently and as confidently as if they were right in their belief and all else must be wrong. But when such texts are critically examined and compared with the general voice of inspiration, they are found to harmonize perfectly with all the truth in the previous chapters. Many of these texts, however, have no bearing on the subject; hence the theories built on them are but a refuge of lies, which the hail of eternal truth will sweep away.” - H. M. Riggle, “Hell and Eternal Punishment,” 1907, p. 51. Now to address your misinterpretation of the verses you presented above: “Take that oft-perverted text, Mal. iv. 1: … Observe, it is contended that this will be literally fulfilled in the punishment of sinners. Take, then, fifty sinners, including all grades, from one offence to those of repeated crimes of deepest dye, and throw them all into a fire that burns like an oven; and how long would they survive? Would any of them remain conscious five minutes? We think not. To show, the quickness of extermination, it is said that they ‘shall be stubble, and the day shall burn them up.’ Now, how long will stubble exist in a fire that burns as an oven? If this is literal, can there possibly be any conceivable degrees of punishment among ‘all that do wickedly,’ in proportion to their crimes? Would any of them survive as long as Mr. Hastings [an Annihilationist] says God was punishing Adam with death, namely, nine hundred and thirty years? Here are two criminals in court. One is a boy who has stolen a penknife. It is his first offence. The other is a man, a hardened wretch, who is guilty of repeated acts of murder in the first degree. The judge sentences them both to be thrown into ‘a fire that burns as an oven,’ to be burned up. What would be thought of such a sentence, and the law that would sanction it? Could the people be made to see that there was any equity in the punishment? Would they not cry out against its injustice, saying that there was a world-wide difference in the crimes, while they were punished exactly alike? Most assuredly they would, if any sense of justice remained in them. There is no Scripture quoted more by Annihilationists than this. We have heard it quoted by their speakers with a kind of savage triumph, showing how God would exterminate all sinners by burning them up ‘in the day that cometh;’ and that they expected to dwell on the purified earth, treading the ashes of the wicked under their feet.” - N. D. George, “Annihilationism not of the Bible,” 1870, pp. 182-83. Whether the prophecy of Malachi 4:1 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem or the final judgment of the wicked, it does not change the final condition of the wicked. Though we believe the prophecy of Malachi 4:1 refers to the former. “It has been, and continues to be, my judgment that the prophecy [in Joel 2 and Malachi 4] had the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish age in view. A comparison of Joel’s prophecy and the last words of Malachi seems to confirm this conclusion. Joel describes the coming of the Holy Spirit and the great wonders and signs as occurring ‘before the great and terrible day of Jehovah’ should come. Malachi uses the same phrase in quoting Jehovah as saying, ‘Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come’ (Mal. 4:5). Malachi describes ‘that day,’ a day that Jehovah would make (3:17; 4:3), as one that should burn as a furnace, leaving neither root nor branch, whereas unto those that fear Jehovah’s name, righteousness would rise as a sun with its ray beaming upon them; and in their victory they would tread the wicked as ashes under their feet. The close proximity of the coming of John the Baptist (Malachi) and the Holy Spirit (Joel) and of their work to the destruction of Jerusalem seems more fitting to apply it to that destruction than to identify either of the two or both with the final destruction of the world. The day of Jerusalem’s destruction was certainly a ‘great and notable day’ in the history of mankind and the religion of our God and his Christ.” - Homer Hailey, “The Day of the Lord,” in _The Doctrine of the Last Things: Florida College Annual Lectures_ , 1986, pp. 143-44. “It is said [by Annihilationists] that the wicked will be literally burned up with material fire after the judgment. But the supposed proof of this is made out by converting figurative language into plain; and by applying texts to a future state that belong to this life. … The following is quoted to prove destruction of being to the wicked: ‘For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.’ Mal. 4:1. This is highly figurative language, and represents that the nation of the Jews will soon be so effectually ruined, that it will be as impossible for them to be returned to their land, as a nation, and flourish again, as for a tree to be returned to its place, after being taken up and burned, roots and branches. And as the stubble is prepared for the fire, so the Jews were prepared for the judgments of God. This is its meaning.” - E. B. Fletcher, “Theories of the Annihilation Doctrine: Also, Immortality Demonstrated, and the Annihilation Doctrine Proved Untrue,” 1869, pp. 202-203.
@@earthenvesselsministry Concerning Obadiah 1:16-18, “This text is in frequent use to prove the annihilation of the wicked. To use it thus is a perversion. … ‘They (the heathen) shall be as though they had not been.’ To understand any prophecy, we must consider its scope or design. The prophecy of Obadiah was delivered on account of the tyranny of the Edomites over the Jews; and, in this verse, it is said that the heathen should do the same against Edom that Edom had done against Judah. This was accomplished a few years after, when the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, ravaged Idumea. In this verse, it is prophesied of the Babylonians, who are meant by ‘the heathen,’ that they should be destroyed, not as individuals, but that nationally they should cease to exist, … should ‘be as though they had not been.’ The same thing is prophesied against Edom in the 18th verse: ‘There shall not be any remaining in the house of Esau.’ It is plain, that, in these two verses, there is no reference whatever to the future condition either of the Babylonians or of the Edomites, as individuals, but to their utter extinction as nations; and in this sense the prediction has long since been fulfilled.’ All who will examine will see the correctness of this exegesis. The text has not the least reference to the future state. The destruction of a nation is no proof whatever that the conscious existence of the sinner shall cease; and yet, judging from its frequent use, it is considered by annihilationists one of the strongest proof-texts in favor of their theory. We find it used as a motto on the title-pages of several of their works before us. Poland was once a nation. It is so no longer. In this sense, it is as though it had not been. But who would think of raising an argument from this to prove the annihilation of the wicked in the future state?” - N. D. George, “Annihilationism not of the Bible,” 1870, p. 158. With regards to Ezekiel 28:16-18, when God says of Satan “I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee,” it means that Satan shall be no more accounted of, not in the sense of being reduced into non-existence, but in the sense of being no longer relevant in the affairs of men. Satan will cease to be of concern because he will have been consigned to an eternity in the Lake of Fire. The devil and his angels are not to be annihilated but tormented, and wicked men are to partake with them in their punishment (Matt. 25:41). That fallen angels are not to be annihilated is plain from their apprehensions of future _torment_ . “Art thou come to _torment_ us before the time,” said the fallen angels to Christ. It is torment, and not extinction, that they are to suffer. Hence, they “believe and _tremble_ ” (Pet. 2:4) and “shall be _tormented_ day and night, for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10). “Let us take one of the most emphatic of the words used-‘the second death’ of the Apocalypse: does the expression imply a sentient condition, or absolute extinction of existence? We are not left without means to answer this question. Rev. ii. 11.-‘He that overcometh shall not be _hurt_ of the second death.’ Here, if annihilation be meant, hurt or injury would not be possible; the word ‘hurt’ (đôikērv), means to inflict something that is felt; e.g., Luke x. 19.-‘I will give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means _hurt_ you.’ Rev. ix. 10.-‘Their power was to _hurt_ men five months.’ Rev. xi. 5.-‘If any man _hurt_ them, he must be killed.’ …We conclude, therefore, that to be hurt of the second death implies a capacity for suffering. In Rev. xx. 14, the lake of fire is identified with the second death-‘cast into the lake of fire; this is the second death;’ and in that lake of fire (xx. 10) ‘there is torment day and night for ever and ever;’ such too, therefore, must be in the second death. The second death is plainly represented as something more formidable than the first death; but how is it more formidable if it be only a painless sleep? The first death has a sting; the second death can have none, if sin and pain, weeping and wailing, are all at an end.” - George Sidney Smith, “The Doctrine of Eternal Punishment. Examined Chiefly in Relation to the Testimony of Scripture,” 1865, pp. 5-6.
God is a three part being as we were created in Their image. The Father, The Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost. We are a living soul that possesses a spirit that lives in a body. Jesus Christ wasn't created. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus Christ is God. It's simple. Man makes it hard. There is one God. They each have their own voice. They are the Holy two or three witnesses that bare record in Heaven.
"one" in Hebrew can mean multiple. Also, the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus at least four times in the book of Acts. They knew the assignment in regards to the Great Commission.
@@earthenvesselsministry There isn't one scripture that says He's not a three part being. John 10:30 KJV. They are one. Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV. Let's just get to it. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or No?
@@joshuafichtelman2605 Saying that there isn't a scripture specifically refuting your doctrine does not make it sound doctrine. If you are to be consistent regarding your interpretation of John 10:30, you must conclude that Jesus meant that His disciples are to become one being, as Jesus likens the oneness of the disciples to the oneness He shares with His Father : John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; *that they may be one, even as we are one* But if the oneness Jesus has with His Father is the same as the oneness the dispels are to have with each other (which is the only honest way to interpret this statement), then we are talking about them being one in terms of character, action, purpose etc. and not in being. The scriptures call Jesus God. But whenever they talk about the One God, or the One true God, the scriptures are always referring to the Father alone. For example: 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us *there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; *and one Lord Jesus Christ* , by whom are all things, and we by him. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.* The fact is that Jesus has a God and Father (1 Peter 1:3). And the Father calls Himself the God of Jesus (Hebrews 1:9).
@@earthenvesselsministry Correct. Jesus last prayer before going to the cross was that we be one as He and the Father are one. True unity is in Christ alone. Also, Correct. Jesus is God. Romans 9:5 KJV, Titus 2:13 KJV, John 20:28 KJV, 2 Peter 1:1 KJV, Revelation 1:8 KJV, John 5:58 KJV, Matthew 4:6-7 KJV. Now, Is Jesus Christ "The Word"? John 1:1 KJV, John 1:14 KJV, 1 John 5:7 KJV, Revelation 19:13 KJV.
I'm only 10 minutes into this video and feel the need to pause and add this comment.. I believe in God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. with that said, I find it ironic how you can literally lineup 50 people at once… 10 christians, 10 baptists, 10 catholics etc, with that including everyday people, pastors/ministers, theologians, and more. Let them speak the Bible for an hour and I guarantee you there will be 35 different views on the passages and their interpretations. If they're ALL truly believers and fear our creator and have Jesus in their heart as their savior, who's right and who's wrong? Only HE knows. It never ceases to amaze me HOW MANY of these speakers claim to know the absolute truth of the bible. Again, NO human does, it's CLEARLY designed that way. My walk with God is somewhat new but I've learned a few things along the way....He said himself that ALL men are liars. (Whether they know it or not) Just keep your eyes on the cross my friends---and I guess the moral to this long story is to not put your faith into ONE speaker, let alone a man, and do not worship him on that one day a week. (Whether this video is your belief or not)....your faith belongs in God and if you seek him, he'll steer you down the truthful path. God bless❤
There is such a thing as absolute truth, and anything that is opposed to it is an absolute lie. God will show you the truth, but you must be willing to do His will first. "If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself." John 7:17 If you don't believe that, then you don''t believe Jesus words and there is nothing He can do for you until you do.
@@earthenvesselsministry for someone who has the word ministry in their profile you sure are judgey? How about finding a different way to minister because if you're looking to bring people to God, this isn't the way. And for your information, I HAVE the Holy Spirit in me and I see the truth. May God bless you whatever path YOU choose.
@@JoyinFlorida Your comment was essentially a denial that anyone can know what the truth is and that nobody has the right to claim to have the truth, or to say that someone who hold contrary opinions (you used the example of a Catholic) is in error. I was simply refuting this untrue sentiment with Jesus' words and challenging you to exercise faith and believe His words for your own admonition. The word of God is the judge, and by professing to believe it you make yourself liable to being admonished by it. Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: *the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.* If you feel that the word of God judges you in this regard, then you would do well to allow it to admonish you.
Of course He cares Aaron. It is life eternal Jn 17:3. Your salvation depends upon it. Why would God give us such minute details if He didn't want us to know?
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What an excellent discourse of truth. If only there were no false ministers. If souls would study for themselves, satan would never have been able to deceive the whole of Christendom with false gods. The truth is plain and simple if you take the Word as it reads.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Romans 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Act 17:29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Thank you and bless you guys for this important teaching and clarification of Scripture truth...
Amen, thank you for continuing to speak truth on these controversial and unpopular topics
Great channel. I would love to see you and Sean Griffin from the "Kingdom in Context" channel have a discussion.
We have one Father and one Saviour, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. The Bible is crystal clear about it. Everything else is a deception of Satan, who deceived and will deceive many. The truth needs to be spread before it's too late. 🙏🏻
“That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” 1 John 1:3
“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.”
“And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:” Revelation 22:1, 22:3
The Holy Spirit is not a third being. It's the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ. If we read throughout the Revelation, for example, everywhere, we can read about the throne of God and His Lamb. There is no single verse in the Scriptures that mentions that the Spirit would be an individual or a third being.
@lex superior You are welcome. But please read the Scriptures for yourself, it will bring you to the Lord closer and closer. God bless You 😊🙏🏻
I am new to the Bible. Earthen Vessels consistently make sense of many queries I have. They have done it again in this video. The trinity did not make sense to me. This👆🏻 does. Thank you ❤
I really enjoy these fireside chats diving into fundamental truths of our faith. Thank you Chris and Bill for taking the time to explore the truth about the "trinity". It is so freeing to understand God properly. There is One God, the Father and His only Begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Spirit of God ministers in and through us while we are physically separated from the Father and Son. Oh that glorious day that approaches, when there will no longer be any separation! We will dwell with God when sin, death and the enemy have been destroyed. Praise God always and blessings to you both.
I thank God for guiding me , by His Spirit, into this truth. And I am so grateful for these dear brothers bringing us these videos and sharing the truths from God's Word. Thank you Bill and Chris! You both bring such joy when sharing the wisdom you have received from God.
BE very careful what is coming out of your mouth. Calling scripture/ passages unbiblical opens a can of worms. If you cant believe all of it , you shouldn't believe any of it. Calling a passage unbiblical because you don't understand it, does not make it wrong.
After reading the comments, it appears there are a lot of assumptions are being made. I ask that you all humble yourselves and ask in prayer for the correct answer. I also ask that you pray for all of us so that we are not led into damnation by following false doctrine.
If any one has ever truly surrendered their life and will to God, and was heard by Him, you KNOW the feeling of calmness, relief, and happiness that the Comforter then brings to your existence.
Very true. Said Jesus, our Comforter:
“ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” John 14:18
I think it's also telling that Jesus tells us in Mat 28:18 that "All power is given unto me..." Well, if Jesus is the same as God with no distinction - then Jesus wasn't given power, he has power already. Jesus is telling them that his Father has given him all power because there is a distinction. He didn't give himself power.
Power is also a synonym for authority
I gave up years ago trying to "Know" who had the right answer. I accept Jesus Christ, Son of God and His Death, Burial and Resurrection 3 days later, as prophesied.
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, "Lord you might be one or three, I'm not smart enough to know how you work. I Accept and love The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit."
Your accepting Jesus means nothing. Those few Jesus came to save understand the Bible. Those who give up trying to know are those Jesus did not come to save and this is why they struggle to know and understand the truths of Gods word. You have been deceived by the 100% apostate church.
@@awatchman-um7vy Have you actually read the Bible.
@@canadiankewldude ,...The sad fact is, you are a perfect example of what fills all the churches. The completely Biblically illiterate. How sad is it when one is given some actual Biblical truth and their response is,...."Have you actually read the Bible"?
You are told in 1st John Ch. 2, that the few actual Christians that exist all understand the Bible, and they understand it the same as they have all been taught by the Holy Spirit. They do not, not know the truths of the Bible, and they certainly do not give up trying to know.
It is only the fake christians that fill all the 100% apostate churches that don't know and give up trying to know because God has blinded them and has hidden the truths of the Bible from them as they do not belong to him, they belong to the Godless world. This is why they have become snared into the apostate church. The church is for those who do not belong to God but who belong to the Godless world. Repent!
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1 John 2:27 KJV
"10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12, For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13, Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16, But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.," Matthew Ch. 13, KJV
This was such a needed blessing! Thank you💛
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Luke 3:22 KJV
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Matthew 1:18 KJV
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
God, the only true God; the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ; IS the Holy Ghost. There is no other Holy Spirit than He, & He was manifest in the body of His Son.
John 4:24 KJV
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The roman/babylonian false doctrine of the "trinity" professes that Jesus has two different "co-equal, co-eternal" fathers.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 God + 1 man doesn't = 3 "persons".
Take heed that no man deceive you.
-Jesus Christ
Growing up Lutheran we would recite the Nicene Creed, in pertinent part, about the Trinity: "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds.....begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made." It never occurred to me how this makes absolutely zero sense: God is the maker of all things - and there's Jesus who is begotten, but not made, because he's the Father. Even though to beget something means to father something via procreation. Poor Arias. I wonder if Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, was a "grievous wolf" in that he was an intentional abettor of Satan, or if he was a egotistic pawn?
While I believe that Jesus came from the substance of the Father (when he was begotten), the statement "being of one substance with the Father" is trinitarian through and through, as it implies that both Jesus and the Father are presently of one substance and therefore the same being.
The Nicene creed is rather obscure and even mild in comparison with the more overt definitions of the trinity we see today in church creeds.
Oh-Boy, packed full of good bible quotes! I especially like the contrast between Heb 1:4, and 2:7, showing his birth from the Father, in contrast to his birth in Bethlehem. Heb 1:4 Jesus made BETTER than the angles. Heb 2:7 Jesus made LOWER than angles.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Romans 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Act 17:29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
I don't know if you've quoted this bible scripture anywhere in your videos, but I thought it was so amazing I wanted to share it with you. It's Romans 1:20. It says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" In other words, the Godhead can be explained by the things God has made. In Genesis 1:26-27 it says, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." I think Adam and Eve, man and woman, represent the Godhead. I think man is supposed to represent God the Father and woman is supposed to represent the Son of God. Eve, a woman, came from Adam, a man (from his ribs). Christ is the begotten Son of God. He came from God the Father (from his bosom, which, according to the Strong's concordance, is anywhere in the rib cage area). Jesus has two natures: divine and human. Men can only be called men. But women can be called man (as in mankind) and woman.
I believe God the Father is the one true God and is the first person in the Godhead. I believe Jesus is the second and third person in the Godhead. Jesus in his human nature is the second person and Jesus in his divine nature is the third person.
In regards to your first paragraph, we are in total agreement. The creation of woman from the substance of Adam was an object lesson for all created intelligences. Just is woman is equal with man in nature, so Christ is equal with his Father in nature. "Adam was first formed, then Eve." (1Ti 2:13). It was done in that order to confirm that the man is the head of the woman. Likewise, the Father was first before begetting His Son. So whilst both the Father and Son are equal in nature, the Son submits to His Father because His Father was first "My Father is greater than I." Joh 14:28.
In regards to Jesus being the second and third person of the Godhead, I do not see that the same way. The 3rd person of the Godhead is the Spirit of Christ as it was given after His ascension. We have a video on this subject here: ruclips.net/video/k571_ApKN8w/видео.html
Blessings,
Chris.
@@earthenvesselsministry I thought it would be a good idea to elaborate here on what "man is the head of the woman" means for the sake of people reading these comments because we know that scripture in this area has been misused by men, specifically husbands. Man as head of the woman is referring to the husband/wife relationship. It doesn't mean men are better. It doesn't mean God favours men over women. It's symbolic. And husbands, as head, are supposed to be servant leaders. They are not to flaunt their God given authority nor are they to be oppressive. And the SOP says that any husband who is proud, boastful, etc, should never utter the words "wives submit to your husbands". The bible says wives are to submit to their husbands as is fit unto the Lord. So if a husband asks her to do something that goes against the word of God, she's not to submit. Likewise, if a wife tells her husband to do something that goes against God, he's not supposed to submit. But if they tell eachother to do something that is in accordance with the word of God, they are to submit. SOP also says that wives should not blindly submit to their husbands. And she warns that when a wife blindly submits to her husband, she becomes enmeshed with him, and loses her individuality. When a wife loses her individuality, she loses her ability to critically think. When she can't critically think, she's more susceptible to being deceived. The misuse of scriptures that have to do with husbands and wives have lead people to believe, and teach, that wives have to stay with abusive husbands. But that's not true. The SOP even talks about how sometimes for the sake of the souls of the entire family, husbands and wives will have to separate.
Who do you believe is the first and second person in the Godhead?
@@patsda6405 We know that EGW calls the Sprit of Jesus the third person of the Godhead in the context of the post resurrection outpouring of the Spirit given on the day of Pentecost. This term has a very specific meaning and EGW used it to teach a very specific point as is shown in the video link I shared.
The word Godhead in the simple sense means divinity. Both the Father and Son possess divinity. Yet I do not feel it is necessary to state that the Father and the Son are the first and second person of the Godhead, as the Bible never does so, nor the SOP in my knowledge. The Bible does not even use the term third person of the Godhead.
So outside of the context of the SOP and those who would dialogue upon those SOP statements, I would even avoid the term third person of the Godhead.
Pat,....Sorry, but you have this all wrong. Woman is and represents the devil/satan, absolutely not Jesus and the Holy Spirit as you being satan, have tried to say. The words devil and satan represent the evilness, wickedness, ungodliness, and corruptness eve had hidden in her heart that she imparted into all mankind.
The serpent in the garden was eve. The serpent represented this hidden EVEilness eve had in her heart. As a serpent (snake) hides in ambush ready to strike, so too does the evilness in the hearts of all mankind (especially women) hide waiting to strike. You, like eve want to be the one in control and dont want to listen to God or any man (Adam). You, like all women are adverse (satan) to God, Gods commands, laws, and ways, and to the men God put in authority over you.
You have shown that you have yet to become born again and remain spiritually dead and blind. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
@@earthenvesselsministry Hi. Did you mean to share the video link called "The Altar of the Lord"? Is this video link supposed to explain the "Spirit of Jesus"? Could you give me the name of the book(s) of EGW where she talked about the "Spirit of Jesus the third person of the Godhead in the context of the post resurrection outpouring...." Thanks so much.
I've tried to watch segments of this video many times to see you where you guys are supposedly "proving" that the Trinity is not biblical. But as far as I can tell, I have not seen you prove that at all.
For example, when the one man says that Christ is the core of the faith (which is true), he then leaps to the conclusion that the Trinity is therefore false. But that's a non-sequitur, since *both things* can be true (and are, IMO) at the same time.
But who is Christ? Is He not the Only-Begotten Son of God?
But if you believe in the trinity, you do not believe that Jesus is God's only Begotten. A belief in the trinity and the belief that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God are mutually exclusive. How so? Because, as a trinitarian, you believe that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father. This means that Jesus did not have a beginning, and without a beginning you cannot the son of anybody. Holding that Jesus has no beginning, you must necessarily make Jesus' sonship metaphorical, and by denying that father/son relationship you make God a liar and become an antichrist.
*Who is a liar* but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? *He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.* (1 John 2:22)
When you believe in the spinning globe, you don't really know how absurd your belief is until a flat earther shows you the contradictions you have. The trinity is the same, more serious.
@@earthenvesselsministryI can be a Trinitarians and still believe and do believe Jesus is the SON OF GOD, born of a virgin and died and is glorified with the same Glory he had with His Father BEFORE the world was created.
The Father eternally existed and so did the Son. Son was not created, but existed in the beginning with God and is God.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 You cannot believe that Jesus is the Son of God and remain trinitarian because if Jesus eternally existed as the trinity says (He has no beginning), you have no way of explaining how He is the son of God in any real sense.
You can’t say Jesus became God’s Son at Bethlehem, as God only sent His Son into the world at Bethlehem. If you want to remain trinitarian the only ‘explanation’ you have is to say that Jesus sonship is metaphorical. But in so doing you make God a liar
@@earthenvesselsministry Trinitarians do not make Jesus’ Sonship metaphorical. You are the one with the incorrect and unbiblical interpretation of the Father/Son relationship.
Those who deny the Eternal Sonship of Christ upon the supposition, that the father must exist prior to the son, compare God and His Son to an earthly man and his son, and confound human with divine generation. To compare the generation of God’s Son with that of an earthly man’s son, is absurd. For if there be the least correctness in it, the existence of God might as well be compared with that of a man. But who would suppose that God’s existence is exactly like that of an earthly man? The answer ought to be no one.
“A being begets its like-a human father having descended from a father cannot beget a son, who has not also a beginning. God the Father, neither had a beginning, nor a father prior to himself. How then can any one conclude that his Son is like the sons of men, or that he like they must be posterior to his Father? Such a conclusion is absurd, seeing God bears no analogy to human fathers.” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 22.
“If God were like a man, they [i.e. Unitarians] might establish this hypothesis. But since He is not like a man, it is vain to compare the generation of God’s Son with that of the son of a man,…” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 23.
“…it is to be observed that God exists out of time, for He inhabits uncircumscribed eternity; hence if He have an only begotten Son, the express image of His person, His generation has nothing to do with time, but is eternal, immutable, it is the perpetual resplendence of Jehovah’s uncreated glory.” - David Henkel, “Against the Unitarians,” 1830, p. 25.
“The Father possessed the Son in the beginning of his way, before creation, and, of course, his eternal way; for the Son ‘was set up from everlasting,’ that is, he was eternally set up. There never was a time when the Son was not set up; for he was by the Father as one brought up with him, or his equal in age, ‘rejoicing always before him.’ His ‘goings forth,’ like those of the Father, were ‘of old, from everlasting.’ He was in the beginning ‘God-with God;’ the creator of all things, ‘and before all things;’ ‘the first and the last,’ as is ‘the Lord of hosts.’ Isaiah xliv. 6: ‘I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.’ Hence, nothing can be more evident than that the Son is from eternity, or without beginning, as is the Father.” - John Rankin, “An Antidote for Unitarianism,” 1841, p. 51.
“To deny the eternity of the Son, would be to deny the eternity of the Father. One relation can be no older than the other. If there was a time when the Son did not exist, there was no Father at that time; as the Father is such only in reference to the Son. The Father was not the Father before the Son existed; therefore, if the Son is not eternal, the Father is not.” - Hiram H. Mattison, “A Scriptural Defence of the Doctrine of the Trinity,” 1851, p. 54.
@@ArtisticKid316Since you reject that Jesus’ sonship is metaphorical, you must believe that Jesus is God Only Begotten Son in a true and literal sense then.
Now explain to me how Jesus is God’s literal Son without his having a beginning.
These guys spent 55 minutes saying nothing and then denied the Godhead thus calling Jesus a liar and claiming He was a false prophet
The trinity is only a CONVENTIONAL doctrine INVENTED by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. The doctrine of a TRIUNE GOD is NOWHERE suggested by the scriptures. Further, there is HUGE evidence - as big as a mountain - that no trinity can exist: due to the alleged CLOSE UNION of three persons, Jesus were supposed to ALWAYS state that He is with 1. Father and 2. Holy Spirit. On the contrary this NEVER happens. Jesus had NO IDEA at all of what a triune God is supposed to be! He DOZENS OF TIMES crystal clear stated to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER.
The inventors of the doctrine didn't figure out that the "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit) is not different from "GOD (the Father) WHO IS A SPIRIT" (Jn. 4:23,24). They are not TWO distinct Spirits but the SAME One. Thus, NO THIRD PERSON EXISTS. This means that in Mt. 28:19 the "Holy Spirit" is the "Father who is a spirit" whereas the "Father" is the Father who is NOT a spirit, i.e. He is the "normal" God who is not here - nobody ever saw Him - and decides the God's actions. He is the DISTANT SOURCE of the "Spirit of God".
If you need some more evidence, there are also clear passages that are INCOMPATIBLE with the trinity doctrine "But, of the day and the hour, no man knows, no, not the angels in heaven OR THE SON, but the FATHER ONLY knows." (Mt. 24:36). That verse clearly SPECIFIES that neither the Son nor the ALLEGED third divine person know the future. The trinity doctrine states the opposite: Son and third divine person are CO-OMNISCIENT. Well, Jesus is perfectly right whilst the trinity doctrine states falsehood. Also here you can see that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON exists: " No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.". A private matter between Father and Son, TWO divine Persons.
I totally agree that a triune god is nowhere found in scripture. The inventors of the trinity doctrine knew that that they were saying was a lie. To invent a lie, you must know the truth:
1Jn 2:22 *Who is a liar* but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that *denieth the Father and the Son.* [as the trinity doctrine does]
In regards to the day and the hour of Jesus' coming, Jesus is not in the dark regarding this. He is the only begotten Son of God "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) and therefore He possesses all of the divine attributes that the Father does such as omniscience.
When Jesus said "that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Mat 24:36) Jesus was not teaching that He doesn't know when He will return, but that it is the Father's prerogative alone to make known the day and hour. The Father will at some point during the 7 last plagues make known the day and hour.
The same word for 'know" is used by Paul in the verse below, and Paul did not mean to stay that he was ignorant of all other knowledge, but that he was not going to declare other things. It is in this sense that Jesus used the same Greek word.
1Co 2:2 For I determined *not to know* any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
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Jesus actually doesn't know the hour. This is why. The almighty God is not here. Where is He? In the past, since He was able to make his work even in a distant past, "before the foundation of the world". At that time (before "universe time" existed) He was able to see into his future, to speak and to take actions in it. This means that from our point of view a kind of TEMPORAL BRIDGE exists: God can reach to us, now, from the past. From the past God is VIRTUALLY here, that is, actually NOBODY is here, this is why you can say that God is "like a spirit" here. He is the "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit). This is why Jesus states "nobody has seen God at any time" "the world has not known you" "God is a spirit". That was from OUR POINT OF VIEW. But from GOD'S point of view things are very different. He was able to complete ALL his "almighty God's work" before the universe started, so that his almighty power was no longer necessary. He got rid of it to become like a normal man: the SON of God. "Son" just means He DERIVES from God, this is why He states "He who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Thus, the Son of God is the only one divine Person actually here, He is the ONLY KING of heaven. He is a non-omnipotent God, but the almighty "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit) is with Him.
Excellent video. Where might I find Episode 1?
Thank you! ruclips.net/video/HvXr233aFpw/видео.html
Matthew 28:19 KJV
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
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Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Hebrews 1:4 KJV
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they.
John 5:43 KJV
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 14:26 KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
He that hath an ear to hear let him hear.
-Jesus Christ
I’m trying to understand this thoroughly to help explain it to others. Which Bible translation are you using?
Great explanation, always thought the Trinity as a strange concept...😮
ESV has the word "agree" instead of "one" in 1John 5:7.
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Thoughts on this scripture?
We constantly affirmed that Jesus is God through this discourse, and understand this verse to refer to Jesus who is God and is indeed great.
But do you not accept the verse below that mentions both Jesus and the Father, and says that there is one God, and that the One God is the Father?
" *But to us there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.": 1Corinthians 8:6
Jesus is indeed God, but when we talk about the One God, we are not talking about Jesus according to this verse.
The Trinity is Catholic paganism. Jesus is fully God in the flesh.
Godhead is body (Jesus), soul (God the Father) and spirit (Holy Ghost)
Colossians 2:9
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
John 10:30
“I and my Father are one.”
John 14:9
“Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?”
We are made in God’s image as a 3 part being:
1 Thessalonians 5:23
“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Yes, In Christ "God was manifest in the flesh".
As God's Only Begotten Son, Jesus inherited all the attributes of deity, in other words, "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". Because He possesses divine attributes, Jesus may be called God. But the Father is nevertheless a separate individual to His Son. Jesus was "the Only-Begotten of the Father" (John 1:14) which necessitates that the Father is someone else. You cannot beget yourself. God sent His Son, not Himself.
Jesus Himself declares His Father to be the Only True God, who is distinguished in the verse below as distinct from the One who was sent:
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God* , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
There is only One God according to Paul, and it is the Father:
1Co 8:6 *But to us there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The Lord Jesus Christ has a God and Father, whereas the Father does not:
1Pe 1:3 *Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* , which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
I’m struggling with this concept- Jesus was called God in different scriptures of the Bible, and you say He may be called God, but He is a separate individual from God the Father, and there is only one God.
How can these things all be true at once?
@@christinagottesman7264 trinity is God in 3 persons whereas Godhead is three parts of one being I think . Jesus is “God manifest in the flesh”
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)
@@christinagottesman7264 The principle point is that Jesus has a God and Father, while the Father is supreme. Notice that Jesus calls the Father 'My God'
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of *my God* , and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of *my God* , and the name of the city of *my God* , which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from *my God* : and I will write upon him my new name.
When the Bible talks about there being 'One God', it is never referring to Jesus but the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but *one God, the Father,* of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him
Even Jesus excludes himself from being the 'One God':
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ,* whom thou hast sent.
Jesus is God yes, but this title He received from His Father as an inheritance:
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as *he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.*
Jesus' divine nature and the titles He bears did not originate in Him, but were passed on to Him by the Father as a birthright:
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; *so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;*
It's much like how Adam and Eve were both created equal in nature (not that Jesus was created, He was begotten). Both Adam and Eve were equally 'man' as in an order of being, but Adam was first which gave him the position of authority. As far as their children were concerned, their authority was equal, but between one another there is a deference. Even though Jesus is equal in nature to His Father, the Father is His source. As far as creation is concerned, their authority is equal. But between one another there is a deference. While Jesus is God or Divine, He is not the source of that divinity. For the reason of His beginning being in the Father, Jesus is not the 'One God'.
@@christinagottesman7264Trinity is true, anybody that tries bring up religion other than scripture is trying throw you off and start off with ad hominem attacks instead of going to the Bible.
Jesus is God and Son of GOD because he was Born of a virgin… he is not Less than the Father in the sense that he is God, though he SUBMITTED HIMSELF to obedience to the Father, even the death of the cross. He was a picture of sacrifice as Abraham was taking his son to the mountain.
2 Persons, The Father SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON who only has 1 FATHER WHICH MAKES HIM EQUAL TO GOD!!!!
Read Phil. 2
To Christians who stumble on this… skip it… this is nothing but another flavor of Arianism in the ilk of the Millerites or Ellen G White disciples.
@@hillsrus4 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Proverbs 18:13
FIRST... let's strap in for the ride
Thank you, I've been wondering about this subject and am glad to have your perspective. Blessings
I have 🙋 questions.
@@LandofMilknHoney He didn't read my comment either 😥Perhaps I could answer your questions? I am not a Trinitarian.
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod For starters, here's an example, the Lutheran church recites the Nicene creed. Aside from the part about one holy catholic church it declares the relationship of Father Son and Holy Spirit quite beautifully.
Yet they'll also sing about God in three persons and say one being....
which I used to consider as truth now... im questioning leaning toward that being deception.
I'm also trying to understand how it's not a semantical argument... ? There are three parts of Yah the God head, His Spirit, and His son... which in essence does make a trinity? Still working it out. Yah has really put this in my mind lately He keeps bringing it back up. So it must be important for me to grasp.
@@LandofMilknHoney the truth is really easy to understand, there is one God the Father, God is one person, monotheism.
The Father is the creator of all creatures and all creation.
And Jesus is the Christ who was made of a woman, a virgin named Mary, the Son of God started his life as a man (son of man), a descendant of King David (the messiah must descend from David).
He died for our sins and God resurrected him exalted him and glorified him.
He is the firstborn of the dead, the first of many people. All of the saints just as Jesus was. And Jesus will let us eat from the tree of life, the one that Adam was banned from eating and died.
The Holy Ghost is simply the Word of the LORD, God speaking, God saying things. The Word in John 1:1 is God speaking, it's the Holy Ghost.
Mary told the angel who said she was going to have a son "Be it so according to thy word" and the Word (what was said) was made flesh, her son was born.
(Baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ)
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod There are many verses that talk about Yeshua being with Yah in the beginning, and through him all things are made... so it's not so cut and dry or easy to understand, especially when one has been taught the trinity since childhood.
Earthern Vessels, is your belief yours, or that of E G White whom you revear as a prophetess. Didn't she believe in three separate persons
Trinitarian Adventists like to misconstrue some statements she made to claim that she believed in the trinity. But the catholic doctrine of a three in one god cannot be sustained from any of her writings, neither the word of God.
As far as there being three persons, she said words to that effect. But what was being conveyed in those statements was not the trinity, but the truth that the Holy Spirit is in fact the person of Christ, divested of humanity, sent to minister to the church on earth. She was teaching that the Spirit is not just some force as many teach, but the personal presence of Christ. Here are some examples of what she believed in this respect:
“The work of the Holy Spirit is immeasurably great. It is from this source that power and efficiency come to the worker for God; and the Holy Spirit is the comforter, as *the personal presence of Christ to the soul..* “PCL 304.1
“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be…” 8MR 49.3
I wish you guys would debate James White.
Or Sam shamoun. They would get corrected real quick. I’m confused if they even believe Jesus is GOD whom God ALONE is to be worshiped.
The "spiritual structure" of God can be discerned by a close reading of Revelation 4 and 5. Revelation 4: There is one God: I AM, who is the ONE who sits on the throne (Rev. 4:2) with his rainbow about him. The 3 Holies (mistakenly identified as, "the Trinity") are the IMAGE of I AM, and together make up the ONE who sits on the throne: Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit. The ONE who sits on the throne is worshiped in his IMAGE in 3 sets of 3: (Rev. 4:8) - Holy, holy, holy (3); Lord, God, Almighty (3); who was, and is, and is to come (3). I AM, the ONE TRUE GOD, is finally worshiped for being The Creator of all things (Rev. 4:11).
There is ONE GOD made up of 3 components: Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit; The 3 Holies, The Image of I AM. The Son sits on the Throne on the right of the Father. Both the Father and the Son are 100% fully indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Together, all 3 make up I AM. No inconsistencies; the Father and the Son are ONE in I AM. The Holy Father NEVER leaves the throne (omniscience); The Holy Son goes forth into the world (omnipresence), and the Holy Spirit indwells them each with all the power of eternal existence (omnipotence). The Holy Father and Holy Son are identical named spiritual beings; the Holy Spirit is not a named being, but a separate entity of the eternal power, energy, and living force inside the two beings of Father and Son.
Note that all the worship of all the living beings in Heaven is directed to only two entities: I AM, for Creation (Rev. 4:11); and The Holy Son, for His Redeeming Sacrifice which makes Glorified Man “kings and priests” (Rev. 5:9-10).
I AM is worshiped by The 24 Elders and the 4 Living Creatures. The 24 Elders are the IMAGE of Glorified Man as Kings (gold crowns) and Priests (white raiment). The IMAGE of Glorified Man is led in prayer by the 4 Living Creatures. The 4 Living Creatures are the IMAGE of The Son, AND the IMAGE of the 3 Holies. The IMAGE of the 3 Holies is the Lion = the Holy Father; the Ox = the Holy Son; the Eagle = the Holy Spirit.
The IMAGE of the Son in the 4 Living Creatures is the Lion (King), the Ox (Sacrifice), the Man (the IMAGE of God in the flesh, the physical manifestation of Holy Son and Holy Spirit in Jesus specifically, and Mankind in general), and the Eagle (the Priest). Thus, the IMAGE of the Son, along with the IMAGE of Glorified Man, together worship I AM, the ONE who sits on the Throne in Revelation 4.
In Revelation 5, the Son comes to the right hand of the Father on the throne in the IMAGE of the Sacrifice, the Lamb who has been slain. He is identified as the only MAN worthy to open the book in all of Heaven and Earth. Without ever using His Holy Name, Jesus Christ is introduced in the form of the 4 Living Creatures: The Lion of Judah (Lion/King), The Root of David (Man/Flesh), The Lamb who was slain (Ox/Sacrifice), with The Seven Spirits of God, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Eagle/Priest).
The Lamb (the IMAGE of the SACRIFICE, the Ox, the Son, Jesus Christ) is then worshiped alongside I AM (the ONE who sits on the throne) by all Creation-represented in the 4 LIVING CREATURES in general, but specifically Glorified Man, in that “He made us Kings and Priests”:
Rev 5:9-10 - “…saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests…”
Revelation 4 Summary:
The 3 Holies are the Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit.
They are the Image of I AM.
I AM is worshiped for Creation.
Revelation 5 Summary:
The 4 Living Creatures are the Lion, Ox, Man, Eagle.
They are the Image of the Son as King, Sacrifice, fleshly Man, Priest.
The Son is worshiped for His Redeeming Sacrifice.
I AM and The Son are worshiped equally by all Creation.
Sorry, but you have not correctly understood Gods word. God is not three, God is seven as the Bible clearly tells us. You have spoken false manmade unbiblical nonsense. Repent!
Revelation 5:6
"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
Revelation 4:5
"And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
Revelation 3:1
"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."
Revelation 1:4
"John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;"
@@awatchman-um7vyI’m sorry but you really read between the lines before reading THE LINES… lol If God was 7 it wouldn’t strictly be mentioned in 1 Book out of 66.
Sorry, better luck next time
@@JoshuaMSOG7 ,..What you have just stated is absolute ignorance as well as total denial of the truth of the Bible. Repent!
@@awatchman-um7vy let’s let the Bible speak, cmon. I’ll let you go first.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 ,...I already showed you (let the Bible speak) very clearly that the Bible tells us that God is seven spirits, and not three, and not two, not one, but seven.
Your statement about the actual truth of the Bible I gave you for your edification only being in one book is beyond ignorant. It gives away the fact that you are spiritually dead and blind, and completely Biblically illiterate. No Biblical truth given to those like you will mean, nor change a thing. The truth of the Bible means nothing to you. It is not understandable to you. Only false teaching is understandable and acceptable to you.
Also, I will mention for your edification that you will also reject, because it is the truth of the Bible, why do you think God had Israel make a golden candlestick that represented God to have seven lights/candles? The Menorah that God had Israel make to represent him also tells those with eyes to see, (the spiritually alive) that God is seven spirits.
Exodus Ch. 25,
31, "And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.
32, And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:
33, Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick.
34, And in the candlestick shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers.
35, And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick.
36, Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one beaten work of pure gold.
37, And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it."
I know this is way, way over your head, but nevertheless, the three candles/lights on either side of the center candle/light represent the Bible that is made up of two halves/covenants. These are the two witnesses of Revelation Ch. 11. The old covenant, and the new covenant, the Bible.
I have been told (saw a video that explained) that if we add up all the knops and flowers of the candlestick as God told Israel to make, it comes out to be 27 on one side, and 39 on the other with the adding in of the center candlestick. This of course comes out to be 66 altogether. However, I have not worked all this out for myself and cannot confirm this for sure. It doesn't matter as I already understand what the truth of this is. This is just an interesting technicality.
If he said I and the father are one and the same spirit that raised him from the dead lives in us if we believe and we are the body of Christ then we are all one whether you call it a Trinity or not? Is this just semantics?
The Trinity denies the sonship of Christ by way of saying that Jesus had no beginning (Trinitarians claim that Jesus is co-eternal). He cannot be God's Only Begotten Son and have no beginning.
The trinitarian denial of Christ is far from semantics
Why can he not be God's only begotten Son and not be Co eternal? I don't see how the two really affect each other? Is it the word begotten itself? When he said let there be light in Genesis? Let us create man in our image? Jesus always was he's the alpha, the Omega, the beginning and the end.
@@RedWhiteBlueYo Since begotten means to be born, Jesus cannot be co-eternal and also begotten because anyone who is begotten has a beginning. Since God gave us His only begotten Son as it says in John 3:16, God first needed to have an only begotten Son to give. In other words, Jesus was God's only begotten Son before God gave him to humanity in Bethlehem. Unlike angels and man who were created, Jesus was begotten of the Father's own divine substance, which makes Jesus as divine as His Father is.
Bethlehem was in fact Jesus' 2nd birth, while His first was in heaven long before the earth was created. It was at His birth in eternity that Jesus became God's only begotten Son. The verse below confirms that Jesus had a beginning, as it says that His 'goings forth' (which in Hebrew means family descent) was from 'the days of eternity':
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; *whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.* (KJV Margin)
Father - Son - HS are titles.
Yes. And the titles hold meaning. Jesus is titled the Son because He came out of and has His origin with His Father.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Ok. All power in heaven specifically means he is God, the definition of God is that he has all power. That is a pretty strong argument?
Who can deny that Jesus has all power and is God?
But this does not make him "the One true God" as Jesus Himself says that title belongs to His Father and not Himself (John 17:3). The fact that Jesus is God also does not deny fact that Jesus Himself has a God and Father (1 Peter 1:3, Eph 1:3).
So while Jesus is God, there is only one God Almighty, and that is the Father who is greater than Jesus according to Jesus:
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for *my Father is greater than I.* John 14:28
@@earthenvesselsministry Agreed on all you say!
Did not jesus say i leave you the holy spirit?
Read John 14 carefully...you will see that he refers to himself both as the Father and as the Holy Spirit...vs. 9 ...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father...vs 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Of course we need to understand that Jesus is the Fullness of the Godhead Bodily. We are made in His image...Body, Soul and Spirit. Hear Oh Israel the Lord your God is One God. God does Not change.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jesus is the physical, flesh and blood manifestation of The Holy Son. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual manifestation of The Holy Son. One and the same entity manifested differently.
@@bluevireo425That’s not true, if it was Jesus himself he wouldn’t say “ I will pray to MY FATHER, and he will send you ‘ANOTHER’.
He won’t say “ I must go for it I do not, the Comforter can not come.”
Please make sense out of scripture and stop reading it your theology.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 I guess you didn't read in verse 18 where Jesus says in John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. And in John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long with you Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ....and 10 "...Believest thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me?"...There is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit...and these three are One. But there is an order...and the Father is greater than Jesus as He describes in verse 28..." I go unto my Father for my Father is greater than I" And don't forget Isaiah 9:6...and Revelation 1:8....Jesus is described as the Almighty. I do not pretend I can understand fully the union between God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I just know that Jesus is also God....for God was In Him reconciling the World unto Himself.
Why is the whole topic so confusing? I do not get why God would let it be so confusing. Not intended in a blasphemous way, I genuinely wonder.
The truth about who God is, and who His Son is, is so simple a child could understand it.
The confusion does not come from the Bible, but the theologians who have put false conceptions over plain passages of scripture.
We have a book on this subject that may help you static1.squarespace.com/static/5cd8937e6d9714000196ea70/t/632cfac45145c069f1951007/1663892181668/AJAG+Bible+only.pdf
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Its not confusing. Jesus was God in the flesh as the Bible plainly states.
I have not read through these comments, but is the removal of the trinity nullify the deity of Christ?
Absolutely not. As the only begotten Son of God, Jesus possesses the attributes of deity in their fulness.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
The difference is that Jesus is subject to His Father. Not because Jesus is inferior in nature, but because His Father pre existed Him, and gave Him existence.
@@earthenvesselsministryThe Father pre-existed the Son?
Here’s a clue you’re strongly mistaken ….
1) If God was always been a FATHER even before creation, he is FATHERING SOMEONE
2) If God is a Father, he has a SON
3) If the Father has always existed AS A FATHER, so the SON has ALWAYS existed as a SON
4) If the Son was LOVED BEFORE THE CREATION … then he always was , is and WILL BE Uncreated.
Therefore concluding the Son of God, ONLY BEGOTTEN is Truly God, Born of a virgin, under the Law who submitted himself unto the Father whom NO ONE KNOWS EXCEPT THE SON!!!
Now about scripture? Where do you want me to start? Genesis? Judges? Zachariah? Isaiah? Jeremiah?
Cause it will be too easy to start in the New Testament.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 God was not a Father before He had a Son. You don’t believe the God is the father of Jesus since you believe Jesus to be co-eternal (has no beginning)
@@earthenvesselsministry ”Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?“
Proverbs 30:4 KJV
This was in the Old Testament, there was a Son & His Father and they are ONE !
”And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:“
John 17:22
You’re not that far from a Jehovah witness when they misuse/ misinterpret John 17:3 .
God was always a Father who is the source of all things and Through his WORD…. Who became flesh CREATED ALL THINGS.
You can’t separate them but you can distinct them.
Trinitarians confess and do believe JESUS the SON of God because he has 1 FATHER, not Joseph, but GOD THE FATHER & all what belongs to God the Father belongs to God the SON! This is scripturally & makes sense under Trinitarians theology.
John 17:10 - 10 Everything that is mine is yours and everything that is yours is mine; I have been glorified in them.
Ireneaus (c. 130 - c. 202 AD), one of the Early Church Fathers (pre-Nicean) brought up aspects of this as a means to debunk Gnosticism that was pervading the culture and church. Gnostics wanted to claim adherence to Jesus to gain the Christian masses, yet they denied his Father, God. They also wanted to deny anything godly being accomplished in the flesh of Jesus Christ, so made up all sorts of strange teachings about him, yet trying to tie it in with their deities hierarchy (pleroma, demiurge, and so forth).
I think Ireneaus meant well by dispelling Gnosticism by claiming you can’t have one (Jesus) without the other (The Father). Sadly, this became more and more conflated, to the point that by Tertullian’s day, (c. 155 AD - c. 220 AD) Tertullian is the first to coin the term “Trinity” in his writings.
It’s such a tragedy this has become such a point of division in the Church of Christ, as Ireneaus was simply trying to warn against the dangers of Gnosticism in his most famous work “Against Heresies”.
I am not familiar with what Irenaeus said specifically regarding the trinity issue, but he was certainly on point with many things and did indeed combat the gnostic denial that Jesus came in the flesh.
The term biblical is not in the bible, neither is the term bible, yet they are perfectly valid to use, as you do also. The doctrine of the trinity comes from the word plainly read and believed and not instead 'rationalized' with the understanding of men. Only in the presence of unbelief (e.g. liberal textural criticism) are the meanings of John 1:1-2 and 1 John 5:6-7 so twisted to explain away the mystery of Christ Jesus as Lord and the only begotten of the Father.
The conjectures, assertions, red herrings, and straw-manning was terribly painful to sit through and watch. The perspective espoused in this video comes from a place of high-mindedness and headiness and lacks grace.
Thank you, very well done. I do have a question why do you still use the pagan names for YHWH and Yeshua ? You have done a good job of working outside of the Greco-Roman Babylon theology, but you might pray for more understanding. Shalom
Thank you friend. We use the names and titles we do in accordance with the New Testament.
When Luke (a Greek physician) wrote the book of Acts, he wrote it in the tongue best suited for it’s intended audience, the Lingua Franca of late antiquity- Greek.
Luke penned in Greek the famous line:
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is *none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.*
The name Luke was referring to was given two verses earlier as “Jesus Christ of Nazareth” not in the Hebrew or Aramaic tongue, but the Greek.
Jesus is not a pagan name, but simply a transliteration of the Greek name Iesous. I have heard of the rediculous claim that this has something to do with Zeus.
As for the English title ‘God’, apostle Paul (and all the NT writers) used the Greek title that corresponds to this which is Theos. Therefore, using God and Jesus are in complete harmony with NT practice and teaching.
The Tetragrammaton does not appear once in the entire NT. Nor does the name ‘Yeshua’. To stress the use of such names and titles is a departure from New Testament religion.
@earthenvesselsministry thank you for your prompt reply. So you are saying that the angel told Mariam to call her son Jesus? Just want to be clear that is your message.
@@davidwenger9821 I am not saying anything about that. What the angel told Mary to call her son is beside the point.
The names and titles were penned by the inspired writers in Greek. To argue against the use of Greek names and titles is to argue against the inspiration of God.
@earthenvesselsministry in 7 months I've gone from being trinity believer (57 years) , to then to study of Torah and the Tanach, to the true Sabbath put down by YHWH in the Torah to just recently to the true shape of this world. My prayer is that you, too, can open your eyes to new truth.
@earthenvesselsministry shalom or would it be proper to say peace? Luke was a physician agreed but Greek you can't biblical prove that. Just saying.
You really keep going back to the "They don't beleive in the Father/Son litterally!". That is the core of your argument. Hmm. Not that compelling.
Help me understand why is that not compelling.
By the way, I know that mainline SDAs are Hell-deniers, which is very serious false doctrine which causes legions of people to actually *go there forever.*
What say you two, Mr. Chris and Mr. Bill? Do you guys also deny eternal punishment for souls in Hell, just like your fellow SDA colleagues do?
No, we do not subscribe to Roman Catholic theology.
The Bible does not teach that the wicked will burn forever, but that they will burn to ashes after the judgment:
Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh *shall burn them up* , saith the LORD of hosts, that *it shall leave them neither root nor branch.*
Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for *they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this* , saith the LORD of hosts.
If the wicked will be burned up as ashes under the saints feet, how can they burn forever? The scripture says they are left neither root or branch. Satan is the root, his servants the branches.
After the fire of hell is done with the wicked, they will be "as though they had not been"
Obadiah 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and *they shall be as though they had not been.*
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and *devour them;* and there shall *not be any remaining of the house of Esau;* for the LORD hath spoken it.
Even the devil will be reduced to ashes:
Eze 28:16 … *I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,* from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth *a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes* upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
There are more of these.
If you are going to try and prove eternal torment from the Bible, you need to answer these verses first otherwise you will make the Bible contradict itself.
@@earthenvesselsministry We too do not subscribe to Roman Catholic theology, but we do subscribe to the Bible. And the Bible clearly teaches that the wicked will be eternally punished in Gehenna whether you subscribe to the Bible or not.
“THOSE who oppose the Bible doctrine of everlasting punishment present a number of texts of Scripture that to them seem like bulwarks of truth in opposing a never-ending hell. These scriptures they quote as fluently and as confidently as if they were right in their belief and all else must be wrong. But when such texts are critically examined and compared with the general voice of inspiration, they are found to harmonize perfectly with all the truth in the previous chapters. Many of these texts, however, have no bearing on the subject; hence the theories built on them are but a refuge of lies, which the hail of eternal truth will sweep away.” - H. M. Riggle, “Hell and Eternal Punishment,” 1907, p. 51.
Now to address your misinterpretation of the verses you presented above:
“Take that oft-perverted text, Mal. iv. 1: … Observe, it is contended that this will be literally fulfilled in the punishment of sinners. Take, then, fifty sinners, including all grades, from one offence to those of repeated crimes of deepest dye, and throw them all into a fire that burns like an oven; and how long would they survive? Would any of them remain conscious five minutes? We think not. To show, the quickness of extermination, it is said that they ‘shall be stubble, and the day shall burn them up.’ Now, how long will stubble exist in a fire that burns as an oven? If this is literal, can there possibly be any conceivable degrees of punishment among ‘all that do wickedly,’ in proportion to their crimes? Would any of them survive as long as Mr. Hastings [an Annihilationist] says God was punishing Adam with death, namely, nine hundred and thirty years? Here are two criminals in court. One is a boy who has stolen a penknife. It is his first offence. The other is a man, a hardened wretch, who is guilty of repeated acts of murder in the first degree. The judge sentences them both to be thrown into ‘a fire that burns as an oven,’ to be burned up. What would be thought of such a sentence, and the law that would sanction it? Could the people be made to see that there was any equity in the punishment? Would they not cry out against its injustice, saying that there was a world-wide difference in the crimes, while they were punished exactly alike? Most assuredly they would, if any sense of justice remained in them. There is no Scripture quoted more by Annihilationists than this. We have heard it quoted by their speakers with a kind of savage triumph, showing how God would exterminate all sinners by burning them up ‘in the day that cometh;’ and that they expected to dwell on the purified earth, treading the ashes of the wicked under their feet.” - N. D. George, “Annihilationism not of the Bible,” 1870, pp. 182-83.
Whether the prophecy of Malachi 4:1 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem or the final judgment of the wicked, it does not change the final condition of the wicked. Though we believe the prophecy of Malachi 4:1 refers to the former.
“It has been, and continues to be, my judgment that the prophecy [in Joel 2 and Malachi 4] had the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish age in view. A comparison of Joel’s prophecy and the last words of Malachi seems to confirm this conclusion. Joel describes the coming of the Holy Spirit and the great wonders and signs as occurring ‘before the great and terrible day of Jehovah’ should come. Malachi uses the same phrase in quoting Jehovah as saying, ‘Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come’ (Mal. 4:5). Malachi describes ‘that day,’ a day that Jehovah would make (3:17; 4:3), as one that should burn as a furnace, leaving neither root nor branch, whereas unto those that fear Jehovah’s name, righteousness would rise as a sun with its ray beaming upon them; and in their victory they would tread the wicked as ashes under their feet. The close proximity of the coming of John the Baptist (Malachi) and the Holy Spirit (Joel) and of their work to the destruction of Jerusalem seems more fitting to apply it to that destruction than to identify either of the two or both with the final destruction of the world. The day of Jerusalem’s destruction was certainly a ‘great and notable day’ in the history of mankind and the religion of our God and his Christ.” - Homer Hailey, “The Day of the Lord,” in _The Doctrine of the Last Things: Florida College Annual Lectures_ , 1986, pp. 143-44.
“It is said [by Annihilationists] that the wicked will be literally burned up with material fire after the judgment. But the supposed proof of this is made out by converting figurative language into plain; and by applying texts to a future state that belong to this life. … The following is quoted to prove destruction of being to the wicked: ‘For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.’ Mal. 4:1. This is highly figurative language, and represents that the nation of the Jews will soon be so effectually ruined, that it will be as impossible for them to be returned to their land, as a nation, and flourish again, as for a tree to be returned to its place, after being taken up and burned, roots and branches. And as the stubble is prepared for the fire, so the Jews were prepared for the judgments of God. This is its meaning.” - E. B. Fletcher, “Theories of the Annihilation Doctrine: Also, Immortality Demonstrated, and the Annihilation Doctrine Proved Untrue,” 1869, pp. 202-203.
@@earthenvesselsministry Concerning Obadiah 1:16-18, “This text is in frequent use to prove the annihilation of the wicked. To use it thus is a perversion. … ‘They (the heathen) shall be as though they had not been.’ To understand any prophecy, we must consider its scope or design. The prophecy of Obadiah was delivered on account of the tyranny of the Edomites over the Jews; and, in this verse, it is said that the heathen should do the same against Edom that Edom had done against Judah. This was accomplished a few years after, when the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, ravaged Idumea. In this verse, it is prophesied of the Babylonians, who are meant by ‘the heathen,’ that they should be destroyed, not as individuals, but that nationally they should cease to exist, … should ‘be as though they had not been.’ The same thing is prophesied against Edom in the 18th verse: ‘There shall not be any remaining in the house of Esau.’ It is plain, that, in these two verses, there is no reference whatever to the future condition either of the Babylonians or of the Edomites, as individuals, but to their utter extinction as nations; and in this sense the prediction has long since been fulfilled.’
All who will examine will see the correctness of this exegesis. The text has not the least reference to the future state. The destruction of a nation is no proof whatever that the conscious existence of the sinner shall cease; and yet, judging from its frequent use, it is considered by annihilationists one of the strongest proof-texts in favor of their theory. We find it used as a motto on the title-pages of several of their works before us. Poland was once a nation. It is so no longer. In this sense, it is as though it had not been. But who would think of raising an argument from this to prove the annihilation of the wicked in the future state?” - N. D. George, “Annihilationism not of the Bible,” 1870, p. 158.
With regards to Ezekiel 28:16-18, when God says of Satan “I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee,” it means that Satan shall be no more accounted of, not in the sense of being reduced into non-existence, but in the sense of being no longer relevant in the affairs of men. Satan will cease to be of concern because he will have been consigned to an eternity in the Lake of Fire.
The devil and his angels are not to be annihilated but tormented, and wicked men are to partake with them in their punishment (Matt. 25:41). That fallen angels are not to be annihilated is plain from their apprehensions of future _torment_ . “Art thou come to _torment_ us before the time,” said the fallen angels to Christ. It is torment, and not extinction, that they are to suffer. Hence, they “believe and _tremble_ ” (Pet. 2:4) and “shall be _tormented_ day and night, for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).
“Let us take one of the most emphatic of the words used-‘the second death’ of the Apocalypse: does the expression imply a sentient condition, or absolute extinction of existence? We are not left without means to answer this question. Rev. ii. 11.-‘He that overcometh shall not be _hurt_ of the second death.’ Here, if annihilation be meant, hurt or injury would not be possible; the word ‘hurt’ (đôikērv), means to inflict something that is felt; e.g., Luke x. 19.-‘I will give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means _hurt_ you.’ Rev. ix. 10.-‘Their power was to _hurt_ men five months.’ Rev. xi. 5.-‘If any man _hurt_ them, he must be killed.’ …We conclude, therefore, that to be hurt of the second death implies a capacity for suffering. In Rev. xx. 14, the lake of fire is identified with the second death-‘cast into the lake of fire; this is the second death;’ and in that lake of fire (xx. 10) ‘there is torment day and night for ever and ever;’ such too, therefore, must be in the second death. The second death is plainly represented as something more formidable than the first death; but how is it more formidable if it be only a painless sleep? The first death has a sting; the second death can have none, if sin and pain, weeping and wailing, are all at an end.” - George Sidney Smith, “The Doctrine of Eternal Punishment. Examined Chiefly in Relation to the Testimony of Scripture,” 1865, pp. 5-6.
God is a three part being as we were created in Their image. The Father, The Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost. We are a living soul that possesses a spirit that lives in a body. Jesus Christ wasn't created. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus Christ is God. It's simple. Man makes it hard. There is one God. They each have their own voice. They are the Holy two or three witnesses that bare record in Heaven.
"one" in Hebrew can mean multiple. Also, the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus at least four times in the book of Acts. They knew the assignment in regards to the Great Commission.
There isn't one scripture that says God is a three part being
@@earthenvesselsministry There isn't one scripture that says He's not a three part being. John 10:30 KJV. They are one. Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV. Let's just get to it. Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or No?
@@joshuafichtelman2605 Saying that there isn't a scripture specifically refuting your doctrine does not make it sound doctrine. If you are to be consistent regarding your interpretation of John 10:30, you must conclude that Jesus meant that His disciples are to become one being, as Jesus likens the oneness of the disciples to the oneness He shares with His Father :
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; *that they may be one, even as we are one*
But if the oneness Jesus has with His Father is the same as the oneness the dispels are to have with each other (which is the only honest way to interpret this statement), then we are talking about them being one in terms of character, action, purpose etc. and not in being.
The scriptures call Jesus God. But whenever they talk about the One God, or the One true God, the scriptures are always referring to the Father alone. For example:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us *there is but one God, the Father* , of whom are all things, and we in him; *and one Lord Jesus Christ* , by whom are all things, and we by him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know *thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.*
The fact is that Jesus has a God and Father (1 Peter 1:3). And the Father calls Himself the God of Jesus (Hebrews 1:9).
@@earthenvesselsministry Correct. Jesus last prayer before going to the cross was that we be one as He and the Father are one. True unity is in Christ alone. Also, Correct. Jesus is God. Romans 9:5 KJV, Titus 2:13 KJV, John 20:28 KJV, 2 Peter 1:1 KJV, Revelation 1:8 KJV, John 5:58 KJV, Matthew 4:6-7 KJV.
Now, Is Jesus Christ "The Word"?
John 1:1 KJV, John 1:14 KJV, 1 John 5:7 KJV, Revelation 19:13 KJV.
The Trinity is indeed Biblical and no one can call Jesus Lord but by the spirit of God.
the trinity is biblical and anything otherwise is blasphemy!
I'm only 10 minutes into this video and feel the need to pause and add this comment.. I believe in God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. with that said, I find it ironic how you can literally lineup 50 people at once… 10 christians, 10 baptists, 10 catholics etc, with that including everyday people, pastors/ministers, theologians, and more. Let them speak the Bible for an hour and I guarantee you there will be 35 different views on the passages and their interpretations. If they're ALL truly believers and fear our creator and have Jesus in their heart as their savior, who's right and who's wrong? Only HE knows. It never ceases to amaze me HOW MANY of these speakers claim to know the absolute truth of the bible. Again, NO human does, it's CLEARLY designed that way. My walk with God is somewhat new but I've learned a few things along the way....He said himself that ALL men are liars. (Whether they know it or not) Just keep your eyes on the cross my friends---and I guess the moral to this long story is to not put your faith into ONE speaker, let alone a man, and do not worship him on that one day a week. (Whether this video is your belief or not)....your faith belongs in God and if you seek him, he'll steer you down the truthful path. God bless❤
There is such a thing as absolute truth, and anything that is opposed to it is an absolute lie. God will show you the truth, but you must be willing to do His will first. "If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself." John 7:17
If you don't believe that, then you don''t believe Jesus words and there is nothing He can do for you until you do.
@@earthenvesselsministry for someone who has the word ministry in their profile you sure are judgey? How about finding a different way to minister because if you're looking to bring people to God, this isn't the way. And for your information, I HAVE the Holy Spirit in me and I see the truth. May God bless you whatever path YOU choose.
@@JoyinFlorida Your comment was essentially a denial that anyone can know what the truth is and that nobody has the right to claim to have the truth, or to say that someone who hold contrary opinions (you used the example of a Catholic) is in error. I was simply refuting this untrue sentiment with Jesus' words and challenging you to exercise faith and believe His words for your own admonition. The word of God is the judge, and by professing to believe it you make yourself liable to being admonished by it.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: *the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.*
If you feel that the word of God judges you in this regard, then you would do well to allow it to admonish you.
@@earthenvesselsministry lol please stop replying. God bless.
Do you think God really cares? As long as our acts are 'Christ like' does God care about the minutiae?
Of course He cares Aaron. It is life eternal Jn 17:3. Your salvation depends upon it. Why would God give us such minute details if He didn't want us to know?
AA,....Wow! Are you ever deceived. Repent, and learn what the Christianity of the Bible actually is.