Hi all! I had the video playback demo. I will be posting a video series covering how you can do this quality of video playback on the Amiga yourself. I will be doing an overview and then diving into the tools and techniques to get the most out of it. Stay tuned!
When I had an Amiga I spent a fortune capturing video just for the thrill of it. Of course, "video" was highly dithered low res monochrome video at one frame per second, captured through the parallel port, with no audio. To see this on original hardware is incredible.
The fact that someone got 30FPS full motion video with high quality audio running on a 1992 vintage Amiga with the only real upgrade being bigger and faster storage (new disk controller and a modern SSD) is amazing and shows how far ahead the Amiga was compared to other computers of the time.
Seeing the Commander X-16 has me PUMPED. I'm a sucker for 8-bit anything and ever since I heard a brand-new, authentic 8-bit computer was being developed, my attention to the 8-Bit Guy's project has been locked on ever since. I am very excited for this since I was born in 1997, well after the 8-bit era had closed its' doors and I never got to experience the thrill of a new, original computer product that wasn't a Windows, Linux or iMac-compatible.
For cryin' out loud, the origin of the "Meatloaf" moniker is pure lyrical genius. A bit like Jim Steinman himself! What a place to conduct interviews! it seems like it was a case of everything louder than everything else. For an interview, you need great conversation with amazing content creators in a nice quiet environment. Well I guess two outta three ain't bad! Thanks Robin for sharing the experience, it really gave me a feel of the energy of.the festival!
Love how the name Meatloaf came about. I was wondering! While hosting a table, I missed getting a demo of some of these while I was at the show, so I am very grateful for your video :)
There were quite a few kids at the show, some of which made it clear they were the ones bringing their parents there! It does seem many of the young people are interested in old computers because of what they see on RUclips.
Met Jaime at VCFSE, we've been testing it out and making a sort of specialized "browser" for the c64 that we're going to link to a web server. Cool dude.
I actually love the background chatter... it's a nice ambiance. I'm jealous. I would love to go to one of these, talk about nostalgia overload. Man, I grew up with these machines... learned to program on t he TRS80 model 2 and the IBM PC Jr as well as a little on the COCO2... I ran BBSes on my C64 and Amigas... hard to believe it was so long ago now.
ULTIMAX: if he owns an older style station wagon with a flipdown tail gate (like a Holden Kingswood in AU/NZ) he could recreate the the screen and front face panel at the same scale _and_ it would be portable :)
Robin, watching that panel you participated in, it was a trip to see what you actually look like not what I expected. You look like a UNIX admin in the making (your hair and beard are too dark to be one).
The auto captions were helpful and funny. "icy cereal" and "attack of the pesky robots" worked for me. Meatloaf is looking interesting, and the giant keyboard is funny.
Hi all! I had the video playback demo. Robin was kind enough to include an interview and a link to my new channel (thank you Robin!). I will be posting a video series on there covering how you can do this quality of video playback on the Amiga yourself. Consider following me if you are interested. I will be doing an overview and then diving into the tools and techniques to get the most out of it. Stay tuned!
I think with Meatloaf I’ll be able to write markdown files on my Plus4 and mount the storage from my pc and get the “live” preview output (on save), maybe in VS Code.
Yes, I'm very interested in Meatloaf for cross-development work, since it would be a lot more convenient to just zap the compiled .prg files over the network instead of messing around with SD cards.
The Amiga video is a jaw drop moment. I skipped David's section out of principles. The other projects show that the application of modern tech to vintage computing is gathering pace and that is incredibly reassuring for the future of our mutual hobby
As an UK guy who went thru the 8 and 16 bit eras first time round and has started foraging/ collecting / renovating etc at the age of 50+ , I have followed the work of various retro RUclipsrs.. ( more so since the pandemic etc). I am curious as to what the issue is with David Murray?
@@rotordave81 Things are fine :) Normally I wait until the quiet of night to do my recording but I really wanted to get this project done and move on to the next thing, so instead of trying to get my entire family to be quiet (impossible!) or to leave the house, *I* went outside and sat in the van with the mic and laptop.
Awesome video. But, you teased me with that long shot of an awesome Exidy Sorcerer at the beginning, but then no interview with the owner of this lesser known beauty. 🤓
@@8_Bit You own one now! Awesome! The Exidy Sorcerer was pretty successful in my part of the world (Australia / NZ), I think it was bigger than it was in many other countries. Possibly also because, I believe (in Australia at least), it was pretty much the only computer you could buy at the time. Circa 1979.
@@DigicoolThings Yes, as far as I know Dick Smith quickly started importing it while the more mainstream companies (Apple, Commodore, Tandy) were slow to get their computers down under. Some unusual machines did well down there for a couple years because of that. Neat stuff.
Seeing the Videobrain in the intro... I really wish the APL/S cart for the Videobrain, or a dump of it, would turn up. The manual for it came up in a lot of Videobrain stuff but I hesitated because the lot was $400. There's always been a rumor that a couple of collectors have it but no one has ever shown 'proof of life'. Thanks for doing these.. VCFMW is a bit too far for me but I dig the walk throughs. Feels almost like I'm there.
Interesting - I thought the VideoBrain was infamous for only having the APL/S language. I had no idea the APL/S cartridge itself was rare or non-existent!
@@8_Bit It seems to be extremely rare. I've never seen anyone produce a cartridge or anything. For years I'd heard of the alleged collectors who had it but never could find anything to back that up. I couldn't even find a picture of the cart from the past. I started to think it was either vaporware or something that existed in preproduction form. But then that auction came up on ebay and there was a production quality manual. I was hoping whoever got it would scan it for everyone else but not so far. I should have bought it but I had a deal with my wife to cut my vintage expenses back. :)
What the heck is that flashing bar above the laptop keyboard in the first segment? Did you have to agree to NOT ask Dave about when the Commander X16 would actually be available? 😎
@@8_Bit yep yep... battery is expanding and pressing against the back of the touchbar. I sent it in for the keyboard repair that Adrian mentioned. He said they will sometimes replace the battery in the process. ***fingers crossed***
Oh wow... it is very similar. I have seen similarities in other logos too. (BTS off the top of my head). There are other elements that set Meatloaf apart as well as being more straight lined and shorter. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm curious to see what others might be out there.
Well “Meat Loaf” was a well known singer. Maybe call it “Content Transfer (Xfer) 16” or “CX16” for short. Or Transfer Media Protocol (TMP). Maybe Cached Block Media (CBM) would describe the local caching he mentioned. Perhaps more descriptive would be Versatile Internet Connection (VIC). I suppose Serial Internet Delivery (SID) would work though if it can be parallel also… Hmm. All joking(?) aside I think the name is fine but definitely think of “ML” as Machine Language. Nevertheless I want one, whatever it is called.
I don't have a "TheC64" but at first glance it doesn't look like it has an IEC or User port. It would need those interfaces (real or virtual) for it to work properly. I have been looking at the possibility of creating a Meatloaf virtual device for VICE. That should be doable in the future.
VICE itself allegedly can use something like a ZoomFloppy to talk to real IEC hardware. It would definitely be neat if The C64 could do some kind of USB2IEC functionality like that.
As far as I know TheC64 doesn't support ZoomFloppy or other USB devices that would allow functional IEC or user ports. It's probably possible but unlikely such a niche feature would get development time put into it.
There's the World of Commodore every December near Toronto, and The World of Retro Computing near Kitchener that's happened the last two years in the late summer. Both are much smaller than the VCF shows in the USA, but still can be fun of course.
It's nice to have the UNIX command line available, I guess? I got into Mac as there was a lot of good iOS programming work available starting around 2010.
I really do appreciate your videos, but again, this is just a youtuber product propaganda video. I find that really frustrating because there are a lot of people there, that are not in this little club that get zero attention. Just my feedback, no offence intended.
I've been friends with 3 out of 4 of these people since before RUclipsrs were even a thing. I understand your sentiment with regards to The 8-Bit Guy, but I haven't seen any coverage of the other 3 projects. I wandered around the whole show Sunday afternoon (as shown in my previous video) and said hi to as many people as I could and these are the 4 people I managed to record a conversation with.
1. Say something rude 2. Say no offense intended. 3. Feel good about yourself? Anyway I don’t think “giant keyboard built into a door” guy is in a special club. Neither is Mr Meatloaf. And I rather enjoyed hearing a “casual” conversation out of 8-Bit guy instead of the usual polish on his channel. Different strokes for different folks. For my part I definitely want to see Robin loading things into Turbo Macro Pro and the Super Snapshot machine language monitor via Meatloaf off the internet. Now that is some good show & tell. 😀
Hi all! I had the video playback demo. I will be posting a video series covering how you can do this quality of video playback on the Amiga yourself. I will be doing an overview and then diving into the tools and techniques to get the most out of it. Stay tuned!
I'm sure there will be some Amgima enthusiasts out there interested. Cool stuff.
great stuff!! can't wait to try it out on my machine.
Watching this during hurricane ian
Working on the format and using deltas would you be able to reduce file size? If 15FPS on regular 1200 is possible i cen envision a standard
When I had an Amiga I spent a fortune capturing video just for the thrill of it. Of course, "video" was highly dithered low res monochrome video at one frame per second, captured through the parallel port, with no audio. To see this on original hardware is incredible.
As on old nerd that was a part dev team at NewTek that worked on the the Video Toaster/Flyer I gotta say I'm damn impressed by this video demo.
I still have a VHS Tape with the Video Toaster demo. I think I got it at a World of Commodore show in Toronto one year.
The fact that someone got 30FPS full motion video with high quality audio running on a 1992 vintage Amiga with the only real upgrade being bigger and faster storage (new disk controller and a modern SSD) is amazing and shows how far ahead the Amiga was compared to other computers of the time.
Seeing the Commander X-16 has me PUMPED. I'm a sucker for 8-bit anything and ever since I heard a brand-new, authentic 8-bit computer was being developed, my attention to the 8-Bit Guy's project has been locked on ever since. I am very excited for this since I was born in 1997, well after the 8-bit era had closed its' doors and I never got to experience the thrill of a new, original computer product that wasn't a Windows, Linux or iMac-compatible.
For cryin' out loud, the origin of the "Meatloaf" moniker is pure lyrical genius. A bit like Jim Steinman himself! What a place to conduct interviews! it seems like it was a case of everything louder than everything else. For an interview, you need great conversation with amazing content creators in a nice quiet environment. Well I guess two outta three ain't bad! Thanks Robin for sharing the experience, it really gave me a feel of the energy of.the festival!
Love how the name Meatloaf came about. I was wondering! While hosting a table, I missed getting a demo of some of these while I was at the show, so I am very grateful for your video :)
The giant... "portable" keyboard somehow steals the show.
Awesome videos (this and the previous one) covering VCF and the fun things that people are building!! Thanks Robin for sharing
It was awesome to see Eric and his amazing project. I really miss going to those events...
Wow 😮I love the meatloaf and the Amiga video!!! Amazing work!❤
Amazing to see so many cool retro projects still worked on.
I really hope spirit of retro stuff will get passed onto younger generations as well...
There were quite a few kids at the show, some of which made it clear they were the ones bringing their parents there! It does seem many of the young people are interested in old computers because of what they see on RUclips.
Hi Robin. It's worth noting that Meatloaf and FujiNet are working together, consolidating code.
Yes, I believe Jaime mentioned that a couple times in our conversation. I'll add a link to the FujiNet website in the video description.
The FujiNet has to be one of the best things to happen to Atari 8-bit systems, and it's awesome to see that the C64 is getting a version as well!
Met Jaime at VCFSE, we've been testing it out and making a sort of specialized "browser" for the c64 that we're going to link to a web server. Cool dude.
After visiting the Meatloafs page i have to say that he is the best kind of insane.
thanks for doing coverage like this
I actually love the background chatter... it's a nice ambiance. I'm jealous. I would love to go to one of these, talk about nostalgia overload. Man, I grew up with these machines... learned to program on t he TRS80 model 2 and the IBM PC Jr as well as a little on the COCO2... I ran BBSes on my C64 and Amigas... hard to believe it was so long ago now.
Thanks for sharing, so great Robin! I'm one of those who would love to go, but that 14-hour drive for me is a bit much. :-)
Really good conversations, excellent video :D
ULTIMAX: if he owns an older style station wagon with a flipdown tail gate (like a Holden Kingswood in AU/NZ) he could recreate the the screen and front face panel at the same scale _and_ it would be portable :)
Robin, watching that panel you participated in, it was a trip to see what you actually look like not what I expected. You look like a UNIX admin in the making (your hair and beard are too dark to be one).
That Meatloaf is actually pretty insane (in the good kind of way).. :)
Thanks for sharing! Excellent video
The auto captions were helpful and funny. "icy cereal" and "attack of the pesky robots" worked for me. Meatloaf is looking interesting, and the giant keyboard is funny.
Hi all! I had the video playback demo. Robin was kind enough to include an interview and a link to my new channel (thank you Robin!). I will be posting a video series on there covering how you can do this quality of video playback on the Amiga yourself. Consider following me if you are interested. I will be doing an overview and then diving into the tools and techniques to get the most out of it. Stay tuned!
Thanks for sharing this!
I think with Meatloaf I’ll be able to write markdown files on my Plus4 and mount the storage from my pc and get the “live” preview output (on save), maybe in VS Code.
Yes, I'm very interested in Meatloaf for cross-development work, since it would be a lot more convenient to just zap the compiled .prg files over the network instead of messing around with SD cards.
petski robots is a whole ass featured packed game for most of the platforms its been ported to
The Amiga video is a jaw drop moment. I skipped David's section out of principles. The other projects show that the application of modern tech to vintage computing is gathering pace and that is incredibly reassuring for the future of our mutual hobby
As an UK guy who went thru the 8 and 16 bit eras first time round and has started foraging/ collecting / renovating etc at the age of 50+ , I have followed the work of various retro RUclipsrs.. ( more so since the pandemic etc). I am curious as to what the issue is with David Murray?
I watched David's section twice
Sounds like you recorded the voiceover in your car :) Thanks for the video
That might be exactly what I did :) I'll see if I can do anything to make it less noticeable next time...
@@8_Bit Next time? Not in the "dog house" are you? :D Hope everything is OK.
@@rotordave81 Things are fine :) Normally I wait until the quiet of night to do my recording but I really wanted to get this project done and move on to the next thing, so instead of trying to get my entire family to be quiet (impossible!) or to leave the house, *I* went outside and sat in the van with the mic and laptop.
@@8_Bit need to get that RV so you can voiceover while you poop while your drive! :D
Awesome video. But, you teased me with that long shot of an awesome Exidy Sorcerer at the beginning, but then no interview with the owner of this lesser known beauty. 🤓
I love that Exidy! In fact... I own one now. I really do need to make a video about it.
@@8_Bit You own one now! Awesome! The Exidy Sorcerer was pretty successful in my part of the world (Australia / NZ), I think it was bigger than it was in many other countries. Possibly also because, I believe (in Australia at least), it was pretty much the only computer you could buy at the time. Circa 1979.
@@DigicoolThings Yes, as far as I know Dick Smith quickly started importing it while the more mainstream companies (Apple, Commodore, Tandy) were slow to get their computers down under. Some unusual machines did well down there for a couple years because of that. Neat stuff.
Seeing the Videobrain in the intro... I really wish the APL/S cart for the Videobrain, or a dump of it, would turn up. The manual for it came up in a lot of Videobrain stuff but I hesitated because the lot was $400. There's always been a rumor that a couple of collectors have it but no one has ever shown 'proof of life'.
Thanks for doing these.. VCFMW is a bit too far for me but I dig the walk throughs. Feels almost like I'm there.
Interesting - I thought the VideoBrain was infamous for only having the APL/S language. I had no idea the APL/S cartridge itself was rare or non-existent!
@@8_Bit It seems to be extremely rare. I've never seen anyone produce a cartridge or anything. For years I'd heard of the alleged collectors who had it but never could find anything to back that up. I couldn't even find a picture of the cart from the past. I started to think it was either vaporware or something that existed in preproduction form. But then that auction came up on ebay and there was a production quality manual. I was hoping whoever got it would scan it for everyone else but not so far. I should have bought it but I had a deal with my wife to cut my vintage expenses back. :)
Cool stuff, though I thought the Commander was under covered. Lots of questions could've been asked.
meatloaf project looks cool
What the heck is that flashing bar above the laptop keyboard in the first segment? Did you have to agree to NOT ask Dave about when the Commander X16 would actually be available? 😎
I believe that's a partially malfunctioning MacBook touchbar!
@@8_Bit yep yep... battery is expanding and pressing against the back of the touchbar. I sent it in for the keyboard repair that Adrian mentioned. He said they will sometimes replace the battery in the process. ***fingers crossed***
You were supposed to ask David when we'll be able to buy the X16! Great video otherwise, esp. the A1200 software FMV!
Want to see Breaking Bad playing on the 1200. Retro cooking yo.
21:16 I bet you'd get quite a number of people over to Amiga with demos like Bad Apple. Wonder if anyone's tried to port the PC-98 games to Amiga.
Is there going be a video of the Commander x16 soon?
34:21 Seems like C64s are somewhat valuable today.
34:39 It's more like a 7K/9K split.
Unfortunately, I see an issue with the "Meatloaf" logo: the "M" part is identical to the Isuzu logo from the 80s and 90s.
Oh wow... it is very similar. I have seen similarities in other logos too. (BTS off the top of my head). There are other elements that set Meatloaf apart as well as being more straight lined and shorter. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm curious to see what others might be out there.
Well “Meat Loaf” was a well known singer. Maybe call it “Content Transfer (Xfer) 16” or “CX16” for short. Or Transfer Media Protocol (TMP). Maybe Cached Block Media (CBM) would describe the local caching he mentioned. Perhaps more descriptive would be Versatile Internet Connection (VIC). I suppose Serial Internet Delivery (SID) would work though if it can be parallel also… Hmm.
All joking(?) aside I think the name is fine but definitely think of “ML” as Machine Language. Nevertheless I want one, whatever it is called.
Can meatloaf be modified to work through a usb port to work through usb on TheC64 retro (and vice emulator)
I don't have a "TheC64" but at first glance it doesn't look like it has an IEC or User port. It would need those interfaces (real or virtual) for it to work properly. I have been looking at the possibility of creating a Meatloaf virtual device for VICE. That should be doable in the future.
VICE itself allegedly can use something like a ZoomFloppy to talk to real IEC hardware. It would definitely be neat if The C64 could do some kind of USB2IEC functionality like that.
As far as I know TheC64 doesn't support ZoomFloppy or other USB devices that would allow functional IEC or user ports. It's probably possible but unlikely such a niche feature would get development time put into it.
you who know this business well should develop a really fun console.
Hey Robin, are there any retro conferences in Canada?
There's the World of Commodore every December near Toronto, and The World of Retro Computing near Kitchener that's happened the last two years in the late summer. Both are much smaller than the VCF shows in the USA, but still can be fun of course.
Here for the 8 bit guy woot woot! Big win on getting him! The others are just need really worth it….
Be real careful teaming with Jaimie. He will go behind your back to change your role & not pay you back for advertising.
Why do lots of Retro collectors use modern Macs?
It's nice to have the UNIX command line available, I guess? I got into Mac as there was a lot of good iOS programming work available starting around 2010.
@@8_Bit: Linux also has a Unix command line. Are these guys not nerdy enough for Linux?
@@csbruce Only speaking for myself, I'm happy to have a computer that Just Works and then I can do command line stuff when I want to.
I can develop for Windows, Linux, Mac, IOS, Android, web, and more with a Mac so it made sense to make the Macbook Pro my main system. :)
@@idolpx You don't need a Mac to run MacOS.
Wow. That Meatloaf thing just seems pointless.
I really do appreciate your videos, but again, this is just a youtuber product propaganda video. I find that really frustrating because there are a lot of people there, that are not in this little club that get zero attention. Just my feedback, no offence intended.
I've been friends with 3 out of 4 of these people since before RUclipsrs were even a thing. I understand your sentiment with regards to The 8-Bit Guy, but I haven't seen any coverage of the other 3 projects. I wandered around the whole show Sunday afternoon (as shown in my previous video) and said hi to as many people as I could and these are the 4 people I managed to record a conversation with.
Actually, in the previous video I included some of the shorter conversations, particularly in the telecom section.
Same here Robin. 8-bit guy was the only one I had seen before, the other projects were new to me.
1. Say something rude
2. Say no offense intended.
3. Feel good about yourself?
Anyway I don’t think “giant keyboard built into a door” guy is in a special club. Neither is Mr Meatloaf. And I rather enjoyed hearing a “casual” conversation out of 8-Bit guy instead of the usual polish on his channel. Different strokes for different folks.
For my part I definitely want to see Robin loading things into Turbo Macro Pro and the Super Snapshot machine language monitor via Meatloaf off the internet. Now that is some good show & tell. 😀
Its just feedback.