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*These were horrible...did the people that sent them in, want additions for their own teams at little to no cost.. y'all needa stop playing NHL GM mode on easy......oof*
Habs fans in a nutshell
@@Xerxsion Leafs fans in a nutshell as well
@@sedonisacateris4166 why do leafs fans think woll is the second coming of carey price.
@@Xerxsiondont be a tool
@@sedonisacateris4166you dont be a tool either
Necas with pettersson would be deadly
we said the same thing about lindholm
Pettersson will hopefully be gone
I’d prefer guentzel or toffoli
@@samslone9457lol you clowns said the same thing about miller, boeser and garland.
You have brain damage @@samslone9457
New rumour: everybody is getting traded everywhere and ending up right where they started.
Eyo! I got mentioned! Great vid! Always fun with deal or no deals. I think another video reacting to cap friendly teams and at leas 1 or 2 deal or no deals this summer would be fun! Thanks for the uploads!
There is no way necas gets traded without a quality nhl player coming back to carolina
Did you even watch the video? Hronek is a quality player.
@@alexwinter3272 the first trade
@@alexwinter3272he wants more than Carolina is going to pay. For the money he wants Carolina could keep Necas
thank you habs fans don’t realize that
@@todddavis5433 Not necessarily. BC tax should be much higher than Carolina. Not sure how much they'd want to pay though.
Don’t like the 1 for 1 trade with Necas and Hronek
Necas - Established top 6 elite skating forward that has proven to be able to produce in the regular season AND the playoffs
Hronek - One year of good production (not much of a sample size), and had a horrendous TWO points in THIRTEEN playoff games.
Also, he reportedly wants $8M AAV. You might as well give Skjei that money (probably a little less) and get better assets for Necas
But Hronek played for Detroit every internet losers favourite team so he has that draft lottery pedigree that losers play for.
that first trade was 100% made by a Habs fan
ullmark for necas, i think that line pasta-zacha-necas would be absolutely killer, zacha is a great center, marty would be the one to set up goals for pasta, who'd be ultimately even deadlier
Zacha is a bag of ass at C he’s a winger
Fingers crossed!
Hronek is overrated Carolina wouldn’t want that noise especially with what he wants
What noise? If nobody else is willing to pay Hronek's ask, Carolina certainly shouldn't have to
Evangelista being included in the Marner deal immediately kills the deal for Nashville. He is considered one of Nashville's untouchables. He has already established himself as part of Nashville's future core and Nashville has plenty of other young NHL ready wingers that could take that place. Tomasino is the big one that comes to mind.
But I'd rather the deal just be Saros a 1st and a 3rd for Marner. Don't complicate it any more
Neo did not pay attention tot he Wild last season. 97-14-12 was one of the deadliest scoring lines in the league last year and they have Rossi, Yurov and Heidt as potential* top 6 C options in the future. And the price is just ridiculous for a guy that has never been more than a 2C and dealt with injuries and a really down year last season
Woll being included with that Marner trade is a no go.
Absolutely. It's not even close to enough going back to Toronto. That's absolutely wild
you're getting saros, a 1st, and evangelista. stop complaining that you won't get to keep your injury prone backup when you're getting a top 5-7 starter, a second line forward, and a 20ish pick.
Why not? He's not untouchable and you're getting one of the best goalies in the NHL in return. Stop being attached to these players cause it they can fetch assets then you trade them.
We can’t be too greedy… with all that cap space we can sign a decent backup
He's made of glass, and if you're getting Saros, he won't be your starter anyway.
If Ottawa finds another goalie, Korpo can be easily be bought out. If done this year, they would only suffer a cap hit of $333K this year, a high of $2.33M in 27-28, which drops to $1.3M till '31-'32.
buying out korpi would be such a mistake. if we really want to compete let’s not set ourselves back for the next 8 years
@@stefanhopper-naud162lol “compete” the sens?
The Canes don't want Hronek. The Canes don't need Hronek. The only way the would need another RHD is if they lose BOTH Pesce and Chatfield and I don't see that happening. And even then, Hronek for Necas isn't remotely fair value.
10:41 i thought about that trade idea but why would it make sense? If the hurricanes don’t have enough money to sign pesce,skjei and necas, how could they sign hronek?
Nashville would say no deal. Saros is worth a trade 1 for 1 for a top line winger, let alone in addition to taking on a injury prone goaltender like Woll. Toronto can keep dreaming, as they aren't getting a kings ransom on top of a top 5 vezina finalist goaltender
lmao you’re delusional if you think saros has more value than a consistent 90+ guy, especially on a time that has one all-star forward. Saros just came off a down year and is going to be overtaken by Askarov in a few years. If anything adding Woll to the deal is too much.
No way could you get a Marner type player straight up for Saros.
goalies dont ever have good value.
There's talks that Saros is saying he would take a discount if he were to resign with Nashville. If that's the case, Nashville would wanna go after Necas at that point.
Canes don’t want Hronek he wants 8 mil a year! There are better options
As a habs fan that offer is so weak if you swap harris with struble and kidney with mesar it would be a big step up in value.
I feel like the necas and hronek one for one deal doesn’t make sense because hronek wants 7-8m and the canes can’t sign necas because they don’t have capspace
coming from a MTL fan, that Necas trade is pretty weak imo. The value isnt there, sure Harris is pretty decent but Kidney is pretty underwhelming and a late first doesnt get you a player like Necas. At the very least swap Kidney for a better prospect like Mesar
Good take, but I would argue Mesar is near worthless rn, neither provide much value imo
I don't understand why people think draft picks with prospects is unattractive to Toronto.
Gaining cap space and adding prospects and picks (two things Toronto doesn't have) seems like that would make it much easier to sign another need or make a trade.
I really think this left or right handed defensemen is over rated. Back when the Red Wings were winning Stanley cups. It didn't matter if defensemen were right or left. They adjusted to the situation. Talk to Mickey Redmond. Good defensemen are good defensemen, whether right or left handed.
I don't feel like that was a good trade for Toronto at all. The padding out the value with picks wouldn't work. The team is in win now mode
@@mking1982098 I get the sense that Marner doesn't wants to leave the Leafs. So a trade won't happen. So they have to look beyond the higher paid players, to make changes in the team, to make it better. Not resigning or signing Bertuzzi, might allow them to trade him for a defenseman.
A better MN Wild trade idea would be Marco Rossi, Jared Spurgeon and Carson Lambos for Martin Necas. Carolina gets Rossi with 1 year left on his ELC and then a likely 2 year bridge deal, Veteran Spurgeon for 3 years as an affordable top 4 short term stopgap with all of Carolina's UFA's on D and 1st round D Prospect Lambos as compensation for taking 3 years of Spurgeon's contract, this helps keep Carolina's cup window open with 2 starters at $7.5 million...Wild could even retain 10-15% of Spurgeon's caphit for 3 years as a kicker if needed...Wild finally gets a RH shot top 6 center/wing they would then extend for 8 years with Spurgeon's capspace, Wild has more than enough prospects to replace Rossi and Lambos with...it also helps the Wild get bigger at forward and D....
Love this as a canes fan, but I’m not sure MN would want to part ways with that many assets just for a top 6 winger with good upside
@@tylerkurz6838 Spurgeon is 35+ and coming off 2 surgeries this season...Lambos is an unknown, the problem is we have 5 other D prospects just like him...Spurgeon would need to be included to help with the cap this season after extending Necas. Necas would give us a RH shot that can play center and our PP, something we've never had...
Ekblad and bennet to ottawa and brady florida😄
I would take that trade for both teams.
Yes, I'm a Florida fan and it would be easy to give up ekblad, but Bennet has been a really important piece. However, Lundell will take the second center position at some point and I would like to see both brothers in a Florida jersey😄
lol that’s hilarious, brady tkachuk is worth more than mitch marner by a lot.
ekblad has been really bad as of late and bennet is old. ottawa yells no from the top of a mountain
@@stefanhopper-naud162 is Draisaitl old? Or Point? Or Pasta? Same draft
ekblad is 1 hit away from irreversible brain damage and bennett is no brady.
brady in playoffs i would like to see first
Dorion just HAD to sign Korpi for 4 years on his way out the door. He couldn't help himself. Korpisalo has had a couple of decent stretches over the years but he was never proven. Now they're handcuffed because of it.
Thanks for using mine!
Even if both team says YES to the Ullmark trade, I can't really imagine Ullmark willing to waive his NTC for Ottawa.
3-Team Trade
To VGK: Linus Ullmark
To BOS: Jacob Chychrun and SJ 2025 3rd Rd Pick (From VGK)
To OTT: Adin Hill and VGK 2025 2nd Rd pick
Ullmark's NTC and desire to play in Boston makes a trade with one of the popular destinations almost impossible. He has no reason to block any teams that already have established starters so, that's 6-8 teams directly out of the running without needing to use any block slots. He has 16 teams to block until Jul 1st when it goes down to 15. That's only going to leave 7-10 teams to make a deal with and most of them aren't going to be chomping at the bit to give up much for a slight upgrade in their goal tending.
BOS maximizes their return in a trade like this. Ullmark and Hill's contracts are basically identical next year so, VGK gets an upgrade to their goal tending for essentially a 2nd and 3rd rounder after Hill lost the starting job to Logan Thompson this year (even though he kind of won it back in the playoffs) and historically VGK has been known to not care much about picks while they're trying to win now. OTT gets an upgrade to their goal tending (even though Hill lost his job to Thompson he was still better than either of OTT's goalies) and a little sweetner in the form of the 2rd rd pick since they didn't land the big fish in Ullmark.
If Boston trades Ullmark, it better be for a first-line center. The weakness down the middle was noticeable in the playoffs.
Linus will get traded for a 1-2 line center and a prospect or a 1st, or an equal value trade, as much as the market values good goalies historically good goalies in expiring contract rarely get great returns.
ur on crack if u think ullmark is worth a 1st line center let alone a 1st line player... lmao
It's the asking price, it might be higher, historically goalies don't get that kind of return but it seems some teams are trying to set the market.
@@ry4nx There's so many teams that are having issues icing even one competent goalie. Boston has two of the best in the league. You don't think a Vezina-winning goalie is worth a top line player? Toronto, New Jersey, Edmonton, etc. would kill to have a goalie like that.
You do understand that Carolina is trading Necas for money reasons right? Why would they pay more for Horonek?
Boston getting an injury prone Chychrun for a goalie like Ullmark is pointless. Their blue line doesn’t need anymore help. Give Pasta someone to play with
As a Bruins fan I say no cause that Top 4 is great but doesn't help our biggest need of Centers
Marner isn't waiving his NTC....he is going to put the screws to the leafs after he walks next year
No deal on the Ullmark trade. The Bs don’t need another defenseman. They need a true 1C and prospects. Their top 4 is already solidified,
McAvoy - Lindholm
Loheri - Carlo.
So if anything on defense they need depth defensemen. They have Peeke on their third pairing so just finding a good fit for him would be enough. Wotherspoon looked decent this, year when needed, but they need a consistent guy they can rotate in the lineup if need be. So, if Ullmark is moved at all, it would be for a 1st and prospects or a true 1C and a 2nd.
Great Video, as usual, Nyquist. I only got done watching Best Contract Video.
defending Necas the way he did early in the video then trading him 1 for 1 for Hronek?? lost me with that idk if he hates him or loves him
I've watched almost every game that Necas has played in Carolina.. trust me when I say there's a reason he hasn't got a long term deal
I haven't seen him play. Can you give me your take?
@@mr.invisable6919 if you have a team that trades chances back and forth then he's your guy. If your team likes to forecheck and play defense then I would stay away from him. He's excellent in open ice like 3 on 3 ot but his puck management and decision making is mostly trying to be cute with soft behind the back passes that end up in a lot of bad turnovers
@@todddavis5433that’s true but it also results in plenty of highlight reel goals and assists
@@todddavis5433 ty.... Good luck.
To Philly: the 11th pick and Mattias Samuelson
To Buffalo: Scott Laughton, Joel Farabee and Florida’s first
As a Sabres fan, I was really turned off by this suggestion at first, but it is intriguing. Ultimately, I'd have to pass, though. Samuelsson is a top-line defenseman and the draft pick swap is too rich here for two middle-six forwards. Sure MS missed half of this past season due to injuries and the previous season wasn't much better, so he has an injury history. When he's playing, he pairs well with Dahlin. The idea isn't awful, but Buffalo has forwards in the pipeline that need spots on the big club. Laughton fills the 3C position wonderfully, though. Again, it's kinda intriguing, but I just don't think this moves the Sabres into the playoffs (which we REALLY need to do this coming season).
No, the value from Sabres is not there
I like it. As a Philly fan. We give up a lot but having another top 15 pick lined up really well for us to walk out with a potential top 2 C or top pairing D both of which we can really use.
Carolina needs to add more to that deal for Hronek, Top 4 RD>>>>2nd Line RW
No Hronek would only cause the same problems for the Canes
Ok. Wouldn’t it be funny if Carolina traded a first to Montreal so they’d take Kokiniemi back? 😂😂
Ducks get Reinbacher and 5th overall
Habs get Zegras and Jackson lacombe
A third for two fifths. This trade will suit the interests of both teams involved
Necas for Hronek was the only realistic trade here. The rest were absolute trash.
Thanks!
the canes know hronek wants 8 million and stays away that
I’m not saying it’s a bad trade but the canes wouldn’t do it
@@CarbonMonoxideBag that's fair, but there's also a chance nobody offers him what he wants. This past season was an outlier heavily influenced by the Canucks as a whole, but even moreso being paired with Hughes.
@@Gergentine Yeah he definitely will be getting less than 8 wherever he is playing next season
lol that markstrom trade is laughable 😂
That Detroit trade for Markstrom is downright insulting!!!
How so? An A level prospect and a 3rd for a goalie who wants out of your team and is leaving? Lol
Jets get: Pulock and a 1st
Islanders get: Ehlers
Islanders need cap space to resign Dobson
These are about the dumbest trade proposals I've seen in a while. Every single trade is one sided.
5:53 HELL TO THE NO WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THE WOLL! Nashville can have Marner but we're keeping Woll come Hell or high water.
Mitch Marner for Elias Petterson. (Assuming Marner is willing to waive his NTC and sign an extension)
Who in Vancouver would want this??? 😂
No no no, I don't care how good Markstrom is we don't need a goalie in his mid 30's. That's ridiculous. Beggren can fetch us much much better.
To MIN: Nikolaj Ehlers (2M retained), 2026 2nd
To WPG: Marco Rossi
I hate the idea of Rossi leaving, but Billy G is allegedly listening to offers on him, and according to Russo would be open to trading him for a faster, bigger forward. They'd also get another 2026 pick, which they seem to be stockpiling for rentals. Ehlers is also in the same age bracket as Kaprizov and Ekker.
Winnipeg would get a long term solution as a 2C behind Scheifele.
If it involves Muffin Marner DEAL. IDC what the trade is. GET HIM OUT
Just when I thought Leafs fans were in a league of their own with outrageous overvalued opinions for Mitch Marner Anaheim fans enter the chat with this nonsense for Trevor Ziegres. The equivalent of two first round draft picks and a second for a guy that has effort questions from his own team and consistent injury problems. Unreal.
Ulmark for mich Marner
If I was Minnesota I wouldn’t do 13th OA for Zegras 1 for 1
I mean Jonas korpasaslo would be a amazing backup for Boston
Ehlers+Stanley to NYI for Pulock+2nd+2nd
* NYI has 3 2nds from dropping down in draft.
If you want can remove the 2 2nds and replace with BrockNelson(UFA24)
I could see us trading Perfetti as well he's 22(RFA) but at times has been 2nd line 4th healthy scratch playoffs. Maybe he just wants out.
Maybe we can move him plus maybe Pionk,Stanley,Zhilkin,Lucius,Iafallo(UFA),Wagner for a 2nd line Center or another young RFA like Necas,Jarvis,Mercer,Schneider+Kakko,KentJohnson. Or NHL ready prospects Savoie,Mataychuk,Jiricek,Nemec,Zellweger types.
How I'd like team to look 2024
Connor Scheifele Villardi
Lambert Blank Mcgroarty/Chibrikov
Appleton Lowry Neidereitter
Barron Namestnikov Chibrikov/Pearson
Extra Gustafson,Kupari,Blank
Morrissey Pulock
Samberg Demelo
Heinola Hamonic
Salmonsson+ either Staal/Bortuzzo
Goalies
Hellebuyck+ Reimer or Driedger and let Milic have Starter in AHL.
*idk if Pearson fits but he played WJCU20, Barrie with Hawerchuk/Scheifele.
*Hamonic,Pulock,Sanheim,Driedger,Riemer are from Manitoba and Staal/Bortuzzo could be depth add from ThunderBay NorthernOntario.
The 2nd line center spot is hard fit could put Nelson/Monahan but it will need to be someone short term 1-3yrs and preferably could drive own line with Lambert/Chibrikov/Mcgroarty and Barlow later.
And imo Lindholm,Teravainen,Henrique,Monahan,Guentzel are 2nd liners but need top 6 guys to perform.
A 1B center to Scheifele like a Horvat,Barzal,Reinhart,Pettersson,Kadri,Stamkos,Tavares ect wouldn't want to come to a place like wpg. Which is why RFA years matter for us or getting guys from western canada who won't want 0% tax Florida/Nashville/Texas,Nice weather,or take pride playing here.
I doubt Chevy would move prospects. He doesn't. I like the trade of Elhers and Stanley for Pulock and Two Seconds. Nelson, on the other hand, as a replacement for the seconds, I don't think that would fly on the Islanders' side of things when they're still trying to be a playoff team. It is more likely that the Jets will resign Monahan. And keep Perfetti.
I expect their lines to look similar to yours,
Lines:
Connor Scheifele Villardi
Perfetti Monahan Neidereitter
Appleton Lowry Barron
Iafallo Namestnikov Gustafsson
-With Kupari as the 13th forward
-I don't think anything with the top four as you have it laid out would change
Morrissey Pulock
Samberg Demelo
-But the third pair leaves questions, in my opinion
do you play Heinola and Pionk or Schmidt, or do you buy the two out as I doubt anyone would willingly take them off the Jet's hands for free.
And for the Jets prospects, all except Mcgroarty will likely play with the moose next year.
To BOS: Nick Schmaltz
To UTAH: Charlie Coyle and rights to Matt Grezlyck (Must be a pre Jul 1 trade) or a fringe NHL player (Patrick Brown, Jakub Lauko, Marc McLaughlin) if post Jul 1
Nick Schmaltz is a perennial 60-point player, (On a shit team) who can play both center and wing and BOS desperately needs more scoring depth.
The reason Utah might want to move him is because his contract is more heavily weighted in these last 2 years. Which means his cap hit is only $5.85M but, he's making over $8.4M in actual salary for the next 2 seasons and I'm sure the Smith's wouldn't mind dropping his contract for a cheaper one since they just dropped more than a billion on the team.
Enter Charlie Coyle's contract. Same term left, and a slightly cheaper cap hit of only 5.25 but, since Coyle's contract was front-heavy instead of back-heavy he's only making $4.5M in actual salary the last 2 years of his contract.
Coyle is a couple of years older and his career best is 60 points, only hit once this past year so, the Bruins might have to add a little sweetner but, not too much. Either the rights to a guy like Grezlyck. (Or Debrusk if they don't plan on signing him) That will allow UT time to make a pitch to the player to re-sign there instead of hitting the open market. Or a fringe NHL guy who is struggling to make the roster in BOS but, would fit in UT's roster. (Patrick Brown, Jakub Lauko, Marc McLaughlin)
Filip Hronek is a very good hockey player.
Zebra for the 13OA plus? LOL.
New Jersey receives: Brady Tkachuk, Jacob Chychrun
Ottowa receives: 2024 first rounder, Akira Schmid, Ondrej Palat, 2024 3rd round draft pick
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This isn’t enough to get either of these players let alone both 😂
Great vid as always, the ullmark trade while close just isn't enough for him, would have to be at least their 1st not 2nd... The double, unskippable ads are a tad disappointing but not enough to make me skip your content... Keep up the great work.
Vancouver should try to sign hronek for 7mil.... maybe 5 years...
I lowkey would love to see trouba and kakko traded for someone like marner, cause Mika needs to get off the top line so marner or stamkos could be a good top line fit
You know the Marner trade is good when both sides are hesitant… I love Woll with all my heart and it hurts seeing him go. He’s young and talented but his injuries are not very fun. Knowing you’re getting a star goalie though is great and signing a guy like Brossiott this offseason would make a pretty solid tandem.
Maybe Brossoit will sign with Ottawa and be a starter.
we need necas in anaheim :
He's only 26 so why get an older RHD than Hronek after the Canucks already spent an exorbitant amount of assets to land him? They wouldn't have spent those same assets on Necas I don't think. And Hughes loves Hronek. He might win a Norris thanks in large part to Hronek helping carry the load. And as for his playoff performance, Hronek scored a beauty when they needed him most in the elimination game. The Hurricanes would win that trade.
Canucks only gave up a first and second for Hronek. Not like they gave up prospects or a roster player as well.
What did you watch this past year? Hronek was carried by Hughes,not the other way around. Hronek sucked for a half of the season and playoffs as well. Has a powerful shot but can't hit the goal for the life of him. Hughes needs a defensive warrior with him, not this marshmallow
No the Canes would lose because Hronek would just give them a worse problem than Necas has.
Zegras vs Necas
Man. The leafs have a huge fan base and pissing them off is not a good idea for any hockey youtuber, I understand that. That said - Mitch Marner is a negative value player, without an extension and even more so - WITH one, and giving a Top 10 goalie, a rising star RFA and a 1st for that crybaby would be the end of the road in the NHL for any GM.
Carolina does not want futures
No ty. Marner stays Home and WOLL IS A FRANCHISE GOALIE
Joe Woll is a no go.
The maple leafs would not trade Joesph woll
as a bruins fan i dont understand why people keep saying to trade ulmark for a d man when our d last year was great and lohrei could use a full season with the bruins so why get a guy like chychrun when we could try and get a guy like necas instead
I don't know how you don't put a premium on a RHD.. those are like so rare.. given the age and skill of the player.. like if you told me same skill level, same age same everything.. except one plays RHD the other is a winger.. the RHD is much more valuable.. The RHD UFA pool is not very deep... commenting about Necas for Horonek deal..
Hronek is just going to be another problem for the Canes since he will want 8 mil when the Canes are having trouble with Necas wanting 6 mil. Plus the Canes have a great RHD prospect and if a RHD is so important the Canes just resign Pesce and Chatfield. The replacement the Canucks had in mind for Hronek is Pesce so the Canes can try and keep Pesce since he’s better long term.
Nurse to Toronto. Marner to Chicago. 1st 6th and 7th round draft picks to Edmonton
Edmonton getting shafted ngl…..
This is so funny. Nurse is borderline a bench player
Id like to see vegas the leafs and ducks make a move with marner going to the ducks for salary retention and thedore and zegras going to leafs with lilly and robertson going to the ducks and picks from vegas. Thoughts?
No trade contract.
Mitch would waive for vegas, and i could see theodore waiving for t.o @@johnsummerhill8323
thank you for this xox
Anaheim trades Trevor Zegras to Utah for Dylan Guenther
Why would Utah do that lol? Guenther performed really well in the back half of the season. Plus, he has good chemistry with Cooley.
@@thebreakawayoperation 10 - 4
The ehlers trade I heard floating around from a guy at work was ehlers for chychrun
i would do it, chychrun is almost as overrated as chabot
MArner is not getting a good deal... he is good but hard for many teams to justify the cap hit...
Necas is overrated af!!
Hard no to that Necas trade to Habs.
He’s coming to La Belle Provance bud
@@jlove8445 no he isn't
@@jahlion247you and the other 8 fans have no say
@@VvvCgg-e5oyou do know that the Canes have a lot of fans, right? Also that Habs trade proposal is horrible for the Canes
@@jlove8445I mean if the Habs give up at least one of their best prospects then sure
Every single team here hangs up the phone laughing. These are hardly even mock trades. Not 1 listed is close to a fair value, let alone would actually be done by 1 or both teams😂
Soros is probably going to NJ
To NSH: Marner
To TOR: Saros, Tomasino, Afanasyev and a 1st round pick. I’m having a hard time to see Nashville parting ways with Evangelista and Toronto can flip the pick for a defensemen
Ullmark for what? Boston needs centers not d men. Loloolol
kakko to mtl for barron, RHP, 2024 avs 2nd?
Yeah. I of agree with you about The Necas/Hronek Trade & it's likely A Good Move for Both Of The Teams. Let me know what you think
No it would just help the Canucks but the Canes get the same problem with Hronek
@@CarolinaBuckrush Thank You for your comment. So, you don't think a change in scenery would help him (Hronek) at all?
@@mariovaccarella6854 not at all if he is going to cause the same problems with the Canes. He wants 8 mil and so will be a rental. The Canes want to get another elite scorer out if Necas and want to save cap space.
@@CarolinaBuckrush You may be right, but, I'm merely talking change of scenery.
@@mariovaccarella6854 yeah that would only make things worse for the Canes if he prices himself even more out plus the Canes should try and get an impactful player that will stay and maybe some draft capital.
Why would the Canes trade a player for a rental when they can get a more impactful player for longer? Change of scenery means nothing when the player already priced himself out.
Every Zegras mock is just bait lmao, he's staying put and is indispensable to the Ducks
if you're looking at that deal and thinking it's the ducks getting screwed, you've lost your mind.
@@doaftheloafI never once said any team would be getting screwed in that deal, I’m simply pointing out how it makes zero sense for Anaheim to trade their dynamic young playmaker and one of the few guys who can consistently enter the zone and create something out of nothing. They’re on a pathway to contention soon and his skillset perfectly complements Gauthier who they literally just traded for.
@@doaftheloaf Ducks lose a player that's put up 60+ points in both the seasons he was healthy. Jets lose two players who have no guarantee of being better than 3rd liners when all is said and done. You're heavily overrating unproven players who weren't/aren't even top 10 picks.
Not to mention, Ohgren is a LW... I'll take half our prospects over Ohgren and keep Z lmao.
I like OhNyquist, but he's a Wings fan. And Wings fans are the worst when it comes to irrational Zegras hate. Maybe it's because he dunks on them every time he plays the Wings.
@@Sniper1052 to be fair to OhNyquist he doesn’t hate Zegras and really never has, he’s a pretty rational and educated Wings fan. But you’re spot on with your other points, and Z put up that production with Eakins as his coach and linemates without an ounce of skill for the majority of his career. 60+ points over a fully healthy season is his floor and people can’t grasp that
He is definitely not in the Ducks long-term plans, let alone "indedispensible".
Marner to Smashville will never happen under GM Trotz. His sticker price is way too much. The Preds have a lot of cap and will likely seek multiple assets like Necas and Stephenson.
Leafs aren’t giving up Woll 😂
I would say saros 3rd for marner.
Ehlers will go for Necas . Remember this comment
No deal
I wouldn't trade Marner at this price and this time. Let's see what the new coach does with this core.
No way I'd give up Zegras for that price.
Another moron who hasn't seen enough of Marner's disappearing act when the going gets tough.
Marner needs to be traded or resigned.
LA needs saros
Demko and Hronek for Marner/2024 1st pick/
Canucks won't be trading Demko.
The returns people seem to think Necas is worth are mind blowing. This is a winger who's not under contract. Who in 5 full seasons has 2 years over 50 points 1 year over 60, and it wasn't this year. This year he took a huge step back from last year. Which should be a red flag. Why do people think this kid is worth a package of more than a 1st? Absurd. If he was a center who wins more than 50% of his draws maybe. If he was a first year player who had this seasons production? Sure. He's not either of those things. Not at the NHL level anyway. He's listed as a center but he's terrible at draws. It's not like Carolina is deep at center beyond Aho he couldn't win being a center for them he's going to struggle winning being a center anyway. I don't get why his return warrants anything close to these predictions. Giving up a huge amount for a kid who declined who you still have to negotiate a contract with seems exceptionally stupid.
Necas has a lot more promise since he doesn’t fit the Canes system and would do well for another team and he is more of a winger. His price is also so high because of his speed. Actually stuff like the first trade proposal is a low ball and people have been low balling the Canes like proposing the Canes trade Necas for Hronek who is just going to make things worse for the Canes.
@@CarolinaBuckrush I'm sorry but a player on a declining season. Who wants to be a center despite all the evidence being he's not. Who's leaving under dramatic terms forcing a trade because he wants to be in a more impactful position. Who isn't under contract isn't worth a lot. Hronek on the other hand makes perfect sense as it's the exact same situation. The Canes are going to lose a bunch of dmen over the next two seasons. Hronek is over valuing himself and forcing a trade just like Necas is. Of course the issue is that if they were willing to pay Hronek 8m per they could probably just keep Skjei instead. But yeah that's not a bad trade offer regardless.
@@exturkconner no it is a horrible trade when Hronek also priced himself out of Carolina. If Necas priced himself out and it’s less than Hronek then why go for Hronek? It only further worsens the problem for the Canes. The Canes can resign more of their Dmen and have elite prospects about to come and fill the fills. Hronek is also way too expensive for the Canes.
Necas is fast and every team knows that he can do much better in a system he actually fits in. He also plays the wing. Necas has a whole lot more promise and is a RFA thus he can get a very high price just because he is playing without PP time and in a system he doesn’t fit but it still getting 50-60 points a season.
@@CarolinaBuckrush Necas didn't just price himself out. He priced himself out and said he wants to be a center despite clearly not being good at it. Again the reason why Hronek makes total sense for the team and Necas doesn't is because Carolina is preparing to lose potentially two important d. They've said they couldn't come to terms with Pesce so he's out. And it looks like Brady Skjei is out too. Can't see them bringing DeAngelo back. Chatfield is also up. Then next year they are going to have to try and sign Slavin as well as having Burns, and Orlov up. I don't think they'd be looking to keep either but if you don't keep them you need to replace them. Carolina needs d. In a a big way.
@@exturkconner Hronek will only make them unable to resign more Dmen and will just be a rental. They have a better chance at resigning Pesce than Hronek if they trade for Hronek. If Pesce is gone they are going to keep Skjei. Also Chatfield will likely be resigned. Next year Slavin will likely take a team friendly cap deal and Orlov will be the harder sign but impossible if they get Hronek. If they trade for Hronek he will only make resigning other players much harder. Next year Buens should go and the Canes got some top prospects ready to make the team when Burns is gone. DeAngelo is likely gone but the Canes have replacements. If the Canes are going to resign most players then Hronek would only hurt the Canes. Hronek wants 8 mil and that would only hurt the Canes in terms of resigning other players. He won’t help the defensive situation he would only make it harder to resign other players like Orlov on defense. The Canes will want an elite scorer for Necas anyways.
You’re completely forgetting that Hronek also priced himself out of Carolina and would make everything worse. Your whole comment also explained why Hronek wouldn’t work in Carolina. There are resigning that need to be made. Yeah the Canes have to resign this year and the next and Hronek would prevent some resigning deals. Your reasoning why Carolina should try to get him actually explains why they shouldn’t try and get him. He would only eat up cap and prevent them from resigning other players.
Necas is fine player winger is bigger problem is that he is not being utilized as much as he would like, he doesn’t fit the system, and he doesn’t get PP time.