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At least make videos surrounding the other bird pokemon so they get some love like my favorite: Braviary. And please, make a video for the Lucario line; but don't include anything related to furries and other dumb stuff or I will set my Lucario upon you and he will punch you into the sun! I've been waiting for so long now!
I will always still include Pelipper and Fearow in the Regional Bird term. It's like saying "every generation can only have 1 pseudo legendary" and then Hoenn has 2 anyway, so you now have to pick one.
@@dundee6402 Swellow being so uncommon is why I personally saw Pelipper as the regional Hoenn bird. I feel like it just makes more sense too with how water-based the region is (rather infamously) and how Pelipper has actually been useful in the meta. So if Swellow is actually the "Regional Hoenn Bird" I just call shenanigans honestly.
I count the Wingull line as a regional bird in my headcanon. I just like the concept that Hoenn is a region of doubles: introduction of double battles, two evil teams, two pseudo-legendaries, two Pikachu clones, and lots of "paired" Pokémon (Lunatone/Solrock, Zangoose/Seviper). Thus, two regional birds as well. :D
So true. Plus Pelipper just fits better in the region primarily focused on water as one of it's big themes with the legendary pokemon. I think it should count. Fearow though i can be okay with that one not counting lol
I think route 1 critter sounds cuter than regional mammal and more accurate than regional rodent Plus, I think there is a second kind of regional early mamal. Like how there were usually 2 bugs, a cute one and Edgy one (butterfree and beedrill, ladies and ariados, beautyfly and dustox, leavany and scolopide and even now with spidops and lokix) I think there is a more cute mammal and a more Edgy one The nidos Myghtiena Luxray Purloin and stoutland Pyroar Alolan raticate Galarian zigzagoon and Thievul And maybe mabostif in Gen 9 I like to call this the regional beast or predator or something
The unfezant section actually give me feelings, because I have a special place in my heart for unfezant. It was my first ever strong Pokémon card I ever had. 😅
The notion that Noctowl drops the "time" theme entirely isn't really true. Noctowl's head adornments are like a horned owl, but they also look exactly like the tops of old grandfather clocks, with 2 pediments and especially the finial (the prong in the middle) giving this away. These are SUPER common decorations on really old grandfather clocks. For that matter I'm pretty sure Noctowl is supposed to look like a literal grandfather---it's old and wise, he's supposed to have "Father Time" vibes. And I think the reason Noctowl turns its head upside-down rather than backwards is because this mimics the direction clock hands turn in. I wanna say the triangular feathers on the belly also resemble something clock-related, but I no longer remember what the resemblance was. :/
maybe because the hands of a clock are triangular at the bottom? just a guess. I tried to find out a definitive answer / connection but was left with nothing so far
We got the Pirate Bird I wanted in this generation, but it wasn't the starter. The way Quaxly was designed I really thought it would've became a pirate bird. But at least we still got it in Kilowatrel, which I do like.
@noahberan6498 Eh I would've love a Conquistador starter, that would have been my choice instantly instead I used the weed cat for a bit but boxed it after it evolved into meowscarada
@@noahberan6498 That's true. Maybe it's the human-like dance it does then. Hard to tell. I'm just bias. Because I like Meowscarada and Incineroar and they're very human-like too. Lol.
It also sounds like Austeyr, the Australian name for the Steyr Aug, sorta keeping in line with the archer motif, but an upgrade as it has changed from a bow to a FIREarm.
I’d argue with new changing definitions of what a regional bird is that Wingull and Pelipper are in fact the regional birds of Hoenn. They’re avaible before Tailow is and the only reason they weren’t counted as one in the past was due to the water/flying typing as opposed to normal/flying. However the Talonflame, Corviknight and Kilowattrel lines have proven that is no longer the case and therefore Wingull and Pelipper are the regional birds of Hoenn.
I think both are regional birds: they both had BSTs of 430 on release; both evolve via level up in the low 20s; gen 3 already has 2 pseudos so having 2 regional birds isn't out of the question; they represent the land vs water theme. Also, gen 3 was a generation of pairs in general: the introduction of double battles, 2 pseudos legendaries, close Pokemon pairs like Lunatone/ solrock, seviper/zangoose, plusle and minun (also the only gen to have 2 pika-clones, unless you count mimikyu), Volbeat and illumise.
@@InvaltidWord But Pelipper/Wingull is literally everywhere in Hoenn. It's a region famously tied to water. I feel like Pelipper represents Hoenn far better than Swellow (and is a better mon competitively despite the lower BST lol)
Since Hoenn has two of everything, why can't it have two regional birds? Swellow and Pelipper are BOTH the regional birds for Hoenn, and nothing can disprove that
I agree with the "crowing whenever they feel like it". Three of my neighbors have chickens and their roosters go off more in the afternoons than the mornings
Unfezant is actually one of my favorite regional birds, being behind only Talonflame and Pidgeot. I've used one on my main team all the way to the elite four for both bw and bw2. Don't worry unfezant is loved by this trainer.
Same here actually! When I originally happened across the Pidove live I wasn't thinking I would find it anything special (I just wanted to use it because I typically do have a bird Mon on my teams and like using uncommon teams in general) but my Unfezant (named Pidge) was like the star player against Drayton's entire gym and the man himself (I literally didn't have a single good coverage option for dragons at all on my team lol). I donned her the nickname "The Dragon Slayer" for that reason.
I've come up with a single regional bird definition that holds so far for every generation. "The first non starter, non single member evolution line in the regional pokedex that was introduced in it's region's paired games and has every member of the evolution line be flying type." This definition gives the following members: Gen 1 - Pidgey line Gen 2 - Hoothoot line Gen 3 - Taillow line Gen 4 - Starly line Gen 5 - Pidove line Gen 6 - Fletchling line Gen 7 - Pikipek line Gen 8 - Rookidee line Gen 9 - Wattrel line
This is all fanmade anyway but I don't like including Tailow and Swellow for Hoenn. Pelipper just fits better for the region and it's literally just directly after it.
I will not stand for this unfezant slander. He quotes one of its pokedex entries "People will sit up and take notice if you become the Trainer of one." But actually, the full entry is "This Pokémon is intelligent and intensely proud. People will sit up and take notice if you become the Trainer of one."
I think drizzle was the main reason to keep Peliper's stats a bit lower. it gives 2 of its best stab moves ( hydro pump and hurricane. ) a huge buff in both power and accuracy. So it didn't need as big a buff as Swellow.
I think a decent definition of regional bird would be: The first multi-stage evolutionary line (not counting starters) of bird pokemon in the regional pokedex. Bird pokemon is just defined as a pokemon that visually resembles a bird, usually flying type but not by requirement. Pidgey is before Spearow Hoothoot is before Natu Taillow is before Wingull Starly is the only Sinnoh bird pokemon with more than one stage (Honchkrow is an added stage of a prior pokemon, and even then Starly is before Honchkrow in the pokedex) Pidove is before Rufflet Fletchling is before Spritzee Pikipek is the only Alolan bird pokemon with more than one stage Rookidee is the only Galarian bird pokemon with more than one stage Wattrel is after Squawkabilly, but Squawkabillly only has one stage. Wattrel is before Flittle. This definition accounts for all the bird pokemon in this video, and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to hold true
This makes sense. Plus we could just look at the 1000th pokemon video the pokemon company made. They grouped together every bird that was considered by fans to be the regional one (sorry wingull) except for gen 9. But they wanted to showcase all the gen 9 ones after the rest.
Same! It ended up becoming my fave Alola region Pokemon as well as one of my fave Normal/Flying types. I also really like that the design is simple and clean. Same with Kilowattrel in Scarlet/Violet.
I had these two cool ideas for how they could implement the regional bird trope in future games. * Do a switcharound and have the regional bird act more like the regional mammal (Ratatta and Patrat for example) like a Turkey pokemon. Meanwhile we get a three stage flying mammal line, like a new three stage bat line or a flying squirrel line. * Give regular Farfetch’d an evolution and pre-evolution to act as a regional bird of sorts. The latter idea is part of a greater idea I had for a Pokemon game where similar to Black and White. Old Pokemon are unavailable until post game except there are old Pokemon available due to them getting an evolution, pre-evolution, regional form, etc.
I make a Fakemon 'early' starter set long similar lines. The bug, the rodent, and the bird were all two stage Pokémon, but the second stage was sort of 'bad' (like Patrat and Watchhog bad). However, they all had baby forms that had a unique signature move. If the middle stage evolved with the signature move, it would go into a better branch evolution.
For my fakemon region based on the Midwest, my regional birds are normal/flying, but this is due to them being Arceus worshipers and being based on Catholocism because they're cardinals, which is both a species and a rank in the papacy.
@lolface_9363 Meanwhile the females evolve into nun birds, Cardinun. They both start as Choirdinal, a little choir bird. The males have a middle evolution called Vesconal, which is Cardinal and Vesco, the Italian word for bishop
@labaccident2010 Thanks. Also the theme my starters share is that they're all based off of controversial industries. The fire starter is based off of mining. The water starter is based off of the fur industry. And the grass starter is based off of industrial farming, the crop kind.
It’s not some clandestine action to compress a series into one video for viewers. I haven’t seen any previous bird videos, so this is convenient for me. It’s also more convenient than a play list.
@@asphaltshingles8594 I have seen other youtubers do the same and I can see why. It can have new viewers to watch his older videos and for people who have seen them (like me) it can reference there memory on what their based on.
Fun fact! Toucans actually hunt baby birds to feed their young, as the protein is useful. They hunt in pairs and one distracts the parent bird while the other birds kills the young
I loved this series and the other bird pokémon videos so much! I couldn't spend 2 hours of my night watching this but I made sure to watch my favourite bits again and all the transitions! Great work from a great channel! ... and remember to always use your noggin!
I loved this! I do consider Wingull and Spearow regional birds, though. At first I was going with the normal flying thing, but then when you mentioned Rookiedee was pure flying (I did not realize that) and you considered Wattrel, then i was like yeah, wingull and spearow confirmed. Because of the normal flying typing, I considered Squawkabilly as the regional bird first. I can't remember if it shows up on earky routes, but i remember it being shown at the opening scenes of the game.
The two Squakabilly that land on the roof of your house in the intro are catchable. If you go back and hold Left Trigger while looking up at them, you can target and throw a ball to start a battle with them! I make sure to catch them every playthrough!
Squawkabilly would fit the bill extremely well due to being shown early in the game and being early in the game, but it's major setback is not evolving like a Chatot situation and possibly being the most underwhelming Pokemon of Gen 9.
I've seen the opening to the Noctowl video so many times that I clued into it being a compilation when Lockstin first started talking about clocks. I just didn't mind rewatching all of the videos again, and giving Lockstin the watch time.
Actually the Unfezant Pokedex Entry about Male and Female could be based of older studies which suggested that while males show higher physical results, like speed and strengh, females tend to be better in terms of endurance, meaning a male can be faster but the female can go for longer... but well these studies were about human sports performances. ^^°
Regional bird: the first wild caught bird "type" introduced in it's region listed in the Pokedex that evolves. Got to make sure Squawkabilly isn't confused in there.
I really like how this video isn’t just a compilation with no extra edits to make it less jarring. Most videos of this sort (that I’ve seen anyway) are just the original videos slapped together with the intros/outros cut out as needed. But I appreciate the extra effort you put in to make the transitions feel like part of the video instead of just a cut. I’ve already seen most of the original videos on the regional birds, I put this on as background noise to draw to, but I did notice (and, again, very much appreciate) how you added interest to this video to make it more than a simple compilation. It adds more than one would think, just having a little segway between each segment to break it up and tie it all together. :)
My first favorite superhero was Falcon and that’s part of why my OC is named Kestrel, hence my screen name, so when you said “various species of falcon” and showed a picture of a kestrel I was just like 👀👀👀👀👀 I’d love to see a Pokémon based on kestrels sometime! Also, given all the godly stuff described in the Pidgey line segment, it’s quite fitting the line has become famous for Twitch’s “Jesus Bird” lmfao.
My personal definition of "regional bird" still fits: The first evolving bird-like pokemon in every regional pokedex respectively that is no starter. 😊
One thing that always confused me about the Pidgey line was their names. Why weren't the names for Pidgeotto and Pidgeot swapped around? The final evolution should have the longer, more complicated, cooler name.
I love Unfezant!!!! It could be because I'm from South Dakota where it's our state bird, and it's super tasty as well!!! I really love the design of the male. I'd have to say Unfezant is my favorite regional bird and then noctowl
I really love regional birds. I used a team in my second playthrough of Scarlet that was half made up of regional birds. They are versatile and reliable even in the late game. Staraptor was my MVP, but Talonflame and Kilowattrel also stood out a lot on this team. Kilowattrel is a monster in ScarVio.
Pidgey is actually NOT a pigeon, it's a sparrow (eurasian tree sparrow specifically) , and Spearow is NOT a sparrow, it's a Sparrowhawk. The rose breasted grosbeak looks very similar, but Kanto is a japanese based region, and honestly TONS of birds look extremely similar to a pidgey.
Arent we missing Wingull and Sqwakabilly? I mean, you can get Wingull hella early as well and sqwakabilly is literally on top of the player house and yes, you can catch those before even falling to Inlet Grotto
The definition I've seen a lot of commentators use (but apparently none of the poll replies which Lockstin read) is that the regional bird is the first flying-type bird pokémon in the gen's pokédex that can evolve (and isn't also a starter, so rowlett doesn't count because it is a starter). This definition disqualifies wingull due to its being listed after taillow in the pokédex, despite its appearing in the wild earlier (along with Ash's never catching one before he stopped catching regional birds altogether, I guess), and disqualifies squawkabilly due to its not being able to evolve.
I love how everyone doesn't accept Wingull and Pelipper as regional birds, literally can be caught 1 route before Taillow in its debut gen, and appearing in other regions like Taillow years later. Wingull and Pelipper are regional birds of Hoenn alongside the Taillow line.
It should be counted. Not only did Hoenn have an unsaid theme of duality or doubles as another comment pointed out, but it's also heavily water-based and Pelipper just fits the region so much better. If I wanted to represent Hoenn as a region with a bird Pokemon it would be Pelipper.
1:29:56 there's also the rookery, where bird masters would train and keep messenger birds, like ravens, for recon or secret messages. Part of why the Rook is used to "castle" the king in chess
Regional bird = the first bird-like pokémon line that appears in a regional pokédex Spearow and Wingull can be considered extra regional birds of gen 1 and 3 respectively because they appear right after the main ones and can be considered their counterparts.
Wingull line definitely should count imo. Fearow gets way too overshadowed by Pidgeot though and is pretty forgettable, but I think anyone who's played Gen 3 will know the Wingull line lol hell it may be more recognizable than the Swellow line
@@shyguyrocks1 I like the idea of wingull being the regional bird, but I saw in another comment something that offers way more evidence that swellow would be the "official" regional bird if that was an official term used by the Pokemon Company. In their 1000th pokemon video, they grouped together all the birds that would be considered "regional birds" save for gen 9 because they wanted to showcase them at the end. In that grouping, they did include swellow as gen 3's representative
the name of the region alola being the local language word for hello is really funny actually, because it implies foreigners showed up, asked "where are we" and the friendly natives just greeted them with "alola"
In Fearow & Pelipper’s cases I feel like you just have to accept that a region can have more than one of a “staple” Pokémon category (ex: Hoenn has Salamence and Metagross as pseudo-legendaries and neither of those are contested) or that people didn’t like counting them bc compared to their alternatives, they just think they’re ugly
Regional birds are such a staple of the franchise I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who played Pokemon who didn't know at least a few of them, used them on their teams or are even their favorite Pokemon of all. They are such iconic inclusions to the world that, despite being just...you know, birds, still manage to hold a special place within the Pokemon universe and fanbase. I myself find it incredibly difficult to not include at least one bird in a playthrough of any Pokemon game, I like them that much.
Birds are my favorite, so obviously I love bird Pokemon too. Thanks for showing why all the regional birds are awesome (even Unfezant, I love him and he gets too much hate)
I usually call Staraptor "The Bird That Can Fight Anything". Mostly because of Close Combat, and Brave Bird letting it take on the very things that once decimated it and it's flock. Ice, Steel, and Rock. Types very common in it's home. It really is the bird which through it's journey has become strong enough to protect the thing most important to it.
Okay, I made a definition.- Regional bird/bug/animal - The first Flying-type/Bug-type/Normal-type [these can be swapped for bird/bug/non-bird and non-bug animal that is also at least part-Normal-type] Pokemon encountered in the regional PokeDex that evolves.* *If there are multiple next to each other on the PokeDex, they are both the regional bird/bug/animal. *If the first Flying-type is also a Bug-type, then it becomes the regional bug, not the regional bird. *If the first Normal-type is also a Flying-type, then it becomes the regional bird, not the regional animal. *If the first Bug-type is also a Normal-type, then it becomes the regional bug, not the regional animal.
i watched the Pokemon 1008 encounters and all of these regional birds are in the same frame/group. it's like the pokemon company acknowledging this fan term but they were not specific about on what we should call them. in the start of the video they show the starters then the early route regional mammals, then they show all the regional birds, and all the birds that were shown in 1 frame, is pidgey, hoothoot, taillow, starly, pidove, fletchling and rookie. (wattrell is not there because they showed it in the list of new pokemon when they introduce all the pokemon in paldea. and also wingull/natu/spearow are not in that frame/group.) and also yes their total base stats total are close to each other, it's just like how we call a line of pokemon with 600 total base stats as "pseudo legendary".
It's pretty much confirmation on the swellow vs. wingull competion for regional bird. The pokemon company gave an answer, even if they didn't slap the words "regional bird" on there, they pretty much solidified most ideas on what a regional bird is 1. Evolves 2. Non starter 3. Bird 4. First dex wise
1. I am surprised that he didn't mention the easy connection of the Talonflame line. Fletchling and Fletchinder also come from Kindling, the baby fuel needed to start a fire from scratch, and Tinder, the necessary spark needed to keep the fire going. Combine those two and you have a flame! 2. Another detail about the Kilowattrel line is that its theming of piracy even goes into it mechanically. It's Electric/Flying, and is therefore supereffective against every other regional bird, and can bully them into giving them whatever they want.
My definition is 1: A Pokémon that contains at least 1 evolution. 2: Must be flying type for at least one of its forms and still be a bird (such as if we got a Pokémon that was say Water/Flying then in second stage became Water/Grass or electric) 3: Must be the first line of new Pokemon for its introduction region that meets this criteria in its regional dex. (I.E. Wingul can be found first but tallow is still listed first in the honenn regional dex)
This definition is probably going to change later though. I just say why not count Wingull in there. Why can't there be two in a region? Hoenn did this with both the pika clones and the pseudos for instance why wouldn't it do so with the birds?
For most youtubers, I see a 45-minute video and think, too long. However, when it's a gnoggin video, 2 hours is not enough. I would watch Austin and his channel for 5 hours and still be entertained. Well done 👏 👍 👌
Can't argue that Pigeons are smart, Where I work we had a few of them living under a couple of our warehouse dock plates. When we tried to block off access to keep them from making their nests in there, they figured out that if they just waited for us to raise them to load and unload trucks, they could just get back in and out in that time window.
i actually think unfezant has some use. it gets super luck which is quite hefty when used with scope lens. on top of that i pretty much like all birds, eiscue and cramorant being my two favorites, but ive used unfezant before and was quite pleased
Same. I kept it throughout my entire BW playthrough. I feel like Unfezant gets a lot of hate. It's not as pretty or cool as other regional birds but I don't hate it.
I've always enjoyed the rpg aspect of pokemon more than the competitive scene. For thst reason, I always enjoy this channel. Histories, inspirations and in-world mythology are discussed brilliantly here.
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At least make videos surrounding the other bird pokemon so they get some love like my favorite: Braviary.
And please, make a video for the Lucario line; but don't include anything related to furries and other dumb stuff or I will set my Lucario upon you and he will punch you into the sun! I've been waiting for so long now!
Bird Pokemon are the best Pokemon, it's great you're giving them the attention they deserve
Cats next mabye?🤔😺
Thanks for da Mythomons
Pidgey made me misspell the word pigeon as pidgeon for like 15 years.
ME TOO
Same, the script for this video didn't spell pidgeon correct once.
Eevee's flying evolution: Pidgeon
What it isn’t spelled pidgeon?
@@mistermangoman69oh no
I will always still include Pelipper and Fearow in the Regional Bird term. It's like saying "every generation can only have 1 pseudo legendary" and then Hoenn has 2 anyway, so you now have to pick one.
Even the official Pokémon channel didn't include them in the regional bird section of their 1000th Pokémon celebration video, I'm sorry to inform 🤷♂
I always choose spearow over pidgey as a kid. Too bad it didn't get any buffs.
Based on what has been explained, the regional bird is the first original bird from that region found in the pokedex that is not initial
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Swellow being so uncommon is why I personally saw Pelipper as the regional Hoenn bird. I feel like it just makes more sense too with how water-based the region is (rather infamously) and how Pelipper has actually been useful in the meta. So if Swellow is actually the "Regional Hoenn Bird" I just call shenanigans honestly.
@@shyguyrocks1 So? Wingull and Pelipper are just the Zubats of the sea lmao. Pretty sure you see them way more in Sinnoh than Staraptor too.
I count the Wingull line as a regional bird in my headcanon. I just like the concept that Hoenn is a region of doubles: introduction of double battles, two evil teams, two pseudo-legendaries, two Pikachu clones, and lots of "paired" Pokémon (Lunatone/Solrock, Zangoose/Seviper). Thus, two regional birds as well. :D
So true. Plus Pelipper just fits better in the region primarily focused on water as one of it's big themes with the legendary pokemon. I think it should count.
Fearow though i can be okay with that one not counting lol
Lockston has clear bias
I hope we get another video like this with the other regional staples like the regional bugs and route 1 mammals
I think route 1 critter sounds cuter than regional mammal and more accurate than regional rodent
Plus, I think there is a second kind of regional early mamal.
Like how there were usually 2 bugs, a cute one and Edgy one (butterfree and beedrill, ladies and ariados, beautyfly and dustox, leavany and scolopide and even now with spidops and lokix) I think there is a more cute mammal and a more Edgy one
The nidos
Myghtiena
Luxray
Purloin and stoutland
Pyroar
Alolan raticate
Galarian zigzagoon and Thievul
And maybe mabostif in Gen 9
I like to call this the regional beast or predator or something
The unfezant section actually give me feelings, because I have a special place in my heart for unfezant. It was my first ever strong Pokémon card I ever had. 😅
I like male form unfeazent
Masquerade mask
I think Unfezant is cool because of the gender differences it has
@@tangerinepaint3643 yeah it’s actually lit
I love how birds have become more complex with time, I cant wait to see what they'll do next!
The notion that Noctowl drops the "time" theme entirely isn't really true. Noctowl's head adornments are like a horned owl, but they also look exactly like the tops of old grandfather clocks, with 2 pediments and especially the finial (the prong in the middle) giving this away. These are SUPER common decorations on really old grandfather clocks. For that matter I'm pretty sure Noctowl is supposed to look like a literal grandfather---it's old and wise, he's supposed to have "Father Time" vibes. And I think the reason Noctowl turns its head upside-down rather than backwards is because this mimics the direction clock hands turn in.
I wanna say the triangular feathers on the belly also resemble something clock-related, but I no longer remember what the resemblance was. :/
maybe because the hands of a clock are triangular at the bottom? just a guess. I tried to find out a definitive answer / connection but was left with nothing so far
We got the Pirate Bird I wanted in this generation, but it wasn't the starter. The way Quaxly was designed I really thought it would've became a pirate bird. But at least we still got it in Kilowatrel, which I do like.
I'm personally glad Quaquaval ended up the way it did, I love it and its origins
@noahberan6498 Eh I would've love a Conquistador starter, that would have been my choice instantly instead I used the weed cat for a bit but boxed it after it evolved into meowscarada
I dont mind it. But ill likely never choose it or use it. Its just too flamboyant for me. @noahberan6498
@@Jake38nine ah that's fair, I personally love the flamboyance because it references male birds during the mating season
@@noahberan6498 That's true. Maybe it's the human-like dance it does then. Hard to tell. I'm just bias. Because I like Meowscarada and Incineroar and they're very human-like too. Lol.
Now you got me thinking up names for Talonflame. Ospyre is one that immediately comes to mind. A combination of Osprey and Pyre.
It also sounds like Austeyr, the Australian name for the Steyr Aug, sorta keeping in line with the archer motif, but an upgrade as it has changed from a bow to a FIREarm.
I think a video about regional bug would be a nice sequel to this.
I’d argue with new changing definitions of what a regional bird is that Wingull and Pelipper are in fact the regional birds of Hoenn. They’re avaible before Tailow is and the only reason they weren’t counted as one in the past was due to the water/flying typing as opposed to normal/flying. However the Talonflame, Corviknight and Kilowattrel lines have proven that is no longer the case and therefore Wingull and Pelipper are the regional birds of Hoenn.
I’m here for it. I’ve always admired the line
they are available before taillow but taillow is still before it in the pokedex which is why i think taillow should still be the regional bird
I think both are regional birds: they both had BSTs of 430 on release; both evolve via level up in the low 20s; gen 3 already has 2 pseudos so having 2 regional birds isn't out of the question; they represent the land vs water theme.
Also, gen 3 was a generation of pairs in general: the introduction of double battles, 2 pseudos legendaries, close Pokemon pairs like Lunatone/ solrock, seviper/zangoose, plusle and minun (also the only gen to have 2 pika-clones, unless you count mimikyu), Volbeat and illumise.
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But Pelipper/Wingull is literally everywhere in Hoenn. It's a region famously tied to water. I feel like Pelipper represents Hoenn far better than Swellow (and is a better mon competitively despite the lower BST lol)
Since Hoenn has two of everything, why can't it have two regional birds? Swellow and Pelipper are BOTH the regional birds for Hoenn, and nothing can disprove that
Honestly, the Rookidee line will always be my favorite of the regional birds.
Especially the entire evolution line with Corvisquire and Corviknight.
Rookideez nuts
Hes just so R O U N D
I had a rooster. He crowed whenever the hell he felt like it. God I miss that bird.
I agree with the "crowing whenever they feel like it". Three of my neighbors have chickens and their roosters go off more in the afternoons than the mornings
Justice for SPEAROW and FEAROW!
Justice for WINGULL and PELIPPER!!!
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!
Unfezant is actually one of my favorite regional birds, being behind only Talonflame and Pidgeot. I've used one on my main team all the way to the elite four for both bw and bw2.
Don't worry unfezant is loved by this trainer.
Same here actually! When I originally happened across the Pidove live I wasn't thinking I would find it anything special (I just wanted to use it because I typically do have a bird Mon on my teams and like using uncommon teams in general) but my Unfezant (named Pidge) was like the star player against Drayton's entire gym and the man himself (I literally didn't have a single good coverage option for dragons at all on my team lol). I donned her the nickname "The Dragon Slayer" for that reason.
I hope Pokemon continues on having different types instead of always normal and diverse avian species.
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Why do they even need to be normal type to start with?
We got as many basic fish pokemons too and yet noone are normal/water type.
@@dylanhelvetios2300because they’re supposed to be birds that you could find outside your window.
@pn2294 I mean fish are quite normal too dude 😅
@@johnbarber3572 not really
Only YOU could find a way to talk about bird Pokemon for TWO HOURS!!! You are a master!
I agree but I'm pretty sure this is a compilation of all his regional bird videos
It's just a complication of his other videos on the topic
I've come up with a single regional bird definition that holds so far for every generation. "The first non starter, non single member evolution line in the regional pokedex that was introduced in it's region's paired games and has every member of the evolution line be flying type." This definition gives the following members:
Gen 1 - Pidgey line
Gen 2 - Hoothoot line
Gen 3 - Taillow line
Gen 4 - Starly line
Gen 5 - Pidove line
Gen 6 - Fletchling line
Gen 7 - Pikipek line
Gen 8 - Rookidee line
Gen 9 - Wattrel line
This definition would include Wingull over Taillow, since you can find Wingull first in Hoenn.
@@benblue2647 yes you can find Wingull earlier but Taillow is still listed before it in the Hoenn regional pokedex. Taillow is #25, Wingull is #27.
This is all fanmade anyway but I don't like including Tailow and Swellow for Hoenn. Pelipper just fits better for the region and it's literally just directly after it.
That quick TF2 reference caught me off guard, I loved it
0:22
"This is a bucket"
"Dear god..."
"There's more"
"Nooo..."
I will not stand for this unfezant slander. He quotes one of its pokedex entries "People will sit up and take notice if you become the Trainer of one." But actually, the full entry is "This Pokémon is intelligent and intensely proud. People will sit up and take notice if you become the Trainer of one."
I think drizzle was the main reason to keep Peliper's stats a bit lower. it gives 2 of its best stab moves ( hydro pump and hurricane. ) a huge buff in both power and accuracy. So it didn't need as big a buff as Swellow.
Yeah it was purely for balancing reasons and not because of this made up rule lol
By all accounts Pelipper should count for Hoenn.
This reference at 0:22 made me smile and made my day :)
2 hours worth of BIRDS. I'm so happy. I love long Lockstin videos. It's nap time. Ahah.
I second this, lockstin videos are awesome to fall asleep to haha
same before I sleep when watching this
I think a decent definition of regional bird would be:
The first multi-stage evolutionary line (not counting starters) of bird pokemon in the regional pokedex. Bird pokemon is just defined as a pokemon that visually resembles a bird, usually flying type but not by requirement.
Pidgey is before Spearow
Hoothoot is before Natu
Taillow is before Wingull
Starly is the only Sinnoh bird pokemon with more than one stage (Honchkrow is an added stage of a prior pokemon, and even then Starly is before Honchkrow in the pokedex)
Pidove is before Rufflet
Fletchling is before Spritzee
Pikipek is the only Alolan bird pokemon with more than one stage
Rookidee is the only Galarian bird pokemon with more than one stage
Wattrel is after Squawkabilly, but Squawkabillly only has one stage. Wattrel is before Flittle.
This definition accounts for all the bird pokemon in this video, and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to hold true
This makes sense. Plus we could just look at the 1000th pokemon video the pokemon company made. They grouped together every bird that was considered by fans to be the regional one (sorry wingull) except for gen 9. But they wanted to showcase all the gen 9 ones after the rest.
I love the Pikipek line and glad it is coming back in a week.
Same! It ended up becoming my fave Alola region Pokemon as well as one of my fave Normal/Flying types.
I also really like that the design is simple and clean. Same with Kilowattrel in Scarlet/Violet.
I had these two cool ideas for how they could implement the regional bird trope in future games.
* Do a switcharound and have the regional bird act more like the regional mammal (Ratatta and Patrat for example) like a Turkey pokemon. Meanwhile we get a three stage flying mammal line, like a new three stage bat line or a flying squirrel line.
* Give regular Farfetch’d an evolution and pre-evolution to act as a regional bird of sorts.
The latter idea is part of a greater idea I had for a Pokemon game where similar to Black and White. Old Pokemon are unavailable until post game except there are old Pokemon available due to them getting an evolution, pre-evolution, regional form, etc.
I doubt the Farfetch’d one could actually happen, and it’s mostly that I feel Pokémon has ruled out new evolutions _after_ a Galarian form evo.
I make a Fakemon 'early' starter set long similar lines. The bug, the rodent, and the bird were all two stage Pokémon, but the second stage was sort of 'bad' (like Patrat and Watchhog bad). However, they all had baby forms that had a unique signature move. If the middle stage evolved with the signature move, it would go into a better branch evolution.
For my fakemon region based on the Midwest, my regional birds are normal/flying, but this is due to them being Arceus worshipers and being based on Catholocism because they're cardinals, which is both a species and a rank in the papacy.
Bird pope?
Bird pope!
@lolface_9363 Yes. The males evolve into pope birds. Praecinal, based on pray, cardinal, and the Latin word pracae, which means high one.
@lolface_9363 Meanwhile the females evolve into nun birds, Cardinun. They both start as Choirdinal, a little choir bird. The males have a middle evolution called Vesconal, which is Cardinal and Vesco, the Italian word for bishop
That…is actually SUPER COOL
@labaccident2010 Thanks. Also the theme my starters share is that they're all based off of controversial industries. The fire starter is based off of mining. The water starter is based off of the fur industry. And the grass starter is based off of industrial farming, the crop kind.
I always considered the wingull line to be hoenn's regional bird not tailow
It's literally the videos of the regional birds in one. I was wondering while watching the intro if that was what he was gonna do.
Same, and I couldn’t find any sort of indicator that it was a compilation. Seems a bit shady, hopefully a mistake.
I'm also confused. But having all videos on chronological order by Pokedex is ok I guess... But you could just make a playlist?
It’s not some clandestine action to compress a series into one video for viewers. I haven’t seen any previous bird videos, so this is convenient for me. It’s also more convenient than a play list.
@@asphaltshingles8594 I have seen other youtubers do the same and I can see why. It can have new viewers to watch his older videos and for people who have seen them (like me) it can reference there memory on what their based on.
"unfezant is an outlier because its the only regional bird line that doesn't evolve into a predatory species" meanwhile, toucannon:
Idk man. A large bird with a freaking cannon screams predator to me.
Fun fact! Toucans actually hunt baby birds to feed their young, as the protein is useful. They hunt in pairs and one distracts the parent bird while the other birds kills the young
I always liked male unfezant during my black and white playthrough 😊
I loved this series and the other bird pokémon videos so much! I couldn't spend 2 hours of my night watching this but I made sure to watch my favourite bits again and all the transitions! Great work from a great channel! ... and remember to always use your noggin!
I loved this! I do consider Wingull and Spearow regional birds, though. At first I was going with the normal flying thing, but then when you mentioned Rookiedee was pure flying (I did not realize that) and you considered Wattrel, then i was like yeah, wingull and spearow confirmed.
Because of the normal flying typing, I considered Squawkabilly as the regional bird first. I can't remember if it shows up on earky routes, but i remember it being shown at the opening scenes of the game.
The two Squakabilly that land on the roof of your house in the intro are catchable. If you go back and hold Left Trigger while looking up at them, you can target and throw a ball to start a battle with them! I make sure to catch them every playthrough!
Squawkabilly would fit the bill extremely well due to being shown early in the game and being early in the game, but it's major setback is not evolving like a Chatot situation and possibly being the most underwhelming Pokemon of Gen 9.
I've seen the opening to the Noctowl video so many times that I clued into it being a compilation when Lockstin first started talking about clocks. I just didn't mind rewatching all of the videos again, and giving Lockstin the watch time.
What clued me in was the "just gen one things"
I love how with the thumbnail the first 5 gens birds are all terrified while the most recent 4 are just duking it out with each other lol
Actually the Unfezant Pokedex Entry about Male and Female could be based of older studies which suggested that while males show higher physical results, like speed and strengh, females tend to be better in terms of endurance, meaning a male can be faster but the female can go for longer... but well these studies were about human sports performances. ^^°
Regional bird: the first wild caught bird "type" introduced in it's region listed in the Pokedex that evolves. Got to make sure Squawkabilly isn't confused in there.
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I saw a bird attacking a monitor lizard one time I was at mcdonald's
I even took a picture of it
good times
I really like how this video isn’t just a compilation with no extra edits to make it less jarring. Most videos of this sort (that I’ve seen anyway) are just the original videos slapped together with the intros/outros cut out as needed. But I appreciate the extra effort you put in to make the transitions feel like part of the video instead of just a cut. I’ve already seen most of the original videos on the regional birds, I put this on as background noise to draw to, but I did notice (and, again, very much appreciate) how you added interest to this video to make it more than a simple compilation. It adds more than one would think, just having a little segway between each segment to break it up and tie it all together. :)
My first favorite superhero was Falcon and that’s part of why my OC is named Kestrel, hence my screen name, so when you said “various species of falcon” and showed a picture of a kestrel I was just like 👀👀👀👀👀
I’d love to see a Pokémon based on kestrels sometime! Also, given all the godly stuff described in the Pidgey line segment, it’s quite fitting the line has become famous for Twitch’s “Jesus Bird” lmfao.
My personal definition of "regional bird" still fits:
The first evolving bird-like pokemon in every regional pokedex respectively that is no starter.
😊
One thing that always confused me about the Pidgey line was their names. Why weren't the names for Pidgeotto and Pidgeot swapped around? The final evolution should have the longer, more complicated, cooler name.
Not nessesarly. That's a tryhard way to think about it.
Pidgeot doesn't need a long introduction. He ends your life before you can say "oh look, a pidgeot-"
I love Unfezant!!!! It could be because I'm from South Dakota where it's our state bird, and it's super tasty as well!!! I really love the design of the male. I'd have to say Unfezant is my favorite regional bird and then noctowl
Is this like an hour long compilation of the bird videos?
I really love regional birds. I used a team in my second playthrough of Scarlet that was half made up of regional birds. They are versatile and reliable even in the late game. Staraptor was my MVP, but Talonflame and Kilowattrel also stood out a lot on this team. Kilowattrel is a monster in ScarVio.
Pidgey is actually NOT a pigeon, it's a sparrow (eurasian tree sparrow specifically) , and Spearow is NOT a sparrow, it's a Sparrowhawk.
The rose breasted grosbeak looks very similar, but Kanto is a japanese based region, and honestly TONS of birds look extremely similar to a pidgey.
i swear gen 1 they were just gunning it
Arent we missing Wingull and Sqwakabilly? I mean, you can get Wingull hella early as well and sqwakabilly is literally on top of the player house and yes, you can catch those before even falling to Inlet Grotto
The definition I've seen a lot of commentators use (but apparently none of the poll replies which Lockstin read) is that the regional bird is the first flying-type bird pokémon in the gen's pokédex that can evolve (and isn't also a starter, so rowlett doesn't count because it is a starter). This definition disqualifies wingull due to its being listed after taillow in the pokédex, despite its appearing in the wild earlier (along with Ash's never catching one before he stopped catching regional birds altogether, I guess), and disqualifies squawkabilly due to its not being able to evolve.
I love how everyone doesn't accept Wingull and Pelipper as regional birds, literally can be caught 1 route before Taillow in its debut gen, and appearing in other regions like Taillow years later. Wingull and Pelipper are regional birds of Hoenn alongside the Taillow line.
It should be counted. Not only did Hoenn have an unsaid theme of duality or doubles as another comment pointed out, but it's also heavily water-based and Pelipper just fits the region so much better. If I wanted to represent Hoenn as a region with a bird Pokemon it would be Pelipper.
1:29:56 there's also the rookery, where bird masters would train and keep messenger birds, like ravens, for recon or secret messages. Part of why the Rook is used to "castle" the king in chess
0:22 "This is a pigeon"
"Dear god"
"There's more"
I see what you did there
Regional bird = the first bird-like pokémon line that appears in a regional pokédex
Spearow and Wingull can be considered extra regional birds of gen 1 and 3 respectively because they appear right after the main ones and can be considered their counterparts.
Torchic, Piplup, Rowlet, and Quaxly: Am I a joke to you?
@@trapinch4939 obviously starters don't count
@@XIII_Vanitas Squakabilly
Wingull line definitely should count imo. Fearow gets way too overshadowed by Pidgeot though and is pretty forgettable, but I think anyone who's played Gen 3 will know the Wingull line lol hell it may be more recognizable than the Swellow line
@@shyguyrocks1 I like the idea of wingull being the regional bird, but I saw in another comment something that offers way more evidence that swellow would be the "official" regional bird if that was an official term used by the Pokemon Company. In their 1000th pokemon video, they grouped together all the birds that would be considered "regional birds" save for gen 9 because they wanted to showcase them at the end. In that grouping, they did include swellow as gen 3's representative
Oddly enough my two favorite regional birds are Fearow and Unfeazant.
the name of the region alola being the local language word for hello is really funny actually, because it implies foreigners showed up, asked "where are we" and the friendly natives just greeted them with "alola"
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Jerk mentioned, but what about the other three literal legends?
I heard the Loon and immediately thought, “I am in the deep wilderness, hundreds of miles from civilization, and hopelessly lost.”
In Fearow & Pelipper’s cases I feel like you just have to accept that a region can have more than one of a “staple” Pokémon category (ex: Hoenn has Salamence and Metagross as pseudo-legendaries and neither of those are contested) or that people didn’t like counting them bc compared to their alternatives, they just think they’re ugly
Just like how Plusle and Minun are a duo pair of Pikachu clones that also aren't contested and also come from the same region as the pseudos.
Funny thing is...I've always seen Wingull as the regional bird, and not Tailow. I forget Tailow exists half the time.
Regional birds are such a staple of the franchise I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who played Pokemon who didn't know at least a few of them, used them on their teams or are even their favorite Pokemon of all. They are such iconic inclusions to the world that, despite being just...you know, birds, still manage to hold a special place within the Pokemon universe and fanbase. I myself find it incredibly difficult to not include at least one bird in a playthrough of any Pokemon game, I like them that much.
0:21 Gotta love a TF2 reference. Keep up the great work man! Love the vid!
Don't worry Fearow and Pelipper, you'll always be regional bird pokemon in my heart
Birds are my favorite, so obviously I love bird Pokemon too. Thanks for showing why all the regional birds are awesome (even Unfezant, I love him and he gets too much hate)
My man acting like his baby shark do is better than the MySpace pics lol
"This is a bucket" Dear God... "There's more" No?! Is possibly my favourite joke ever and seeing it here in pokemon form made my year
18:12 I like how the joke works as both "In ca-hoots" and "Inca Hoots"
Lockstins meta/ ironic joke on ahoge or “idiot hair” was hilarious
“I’m going to let the universe tell me what to do”
The universe: Plays an ad for a streaming service
I usually call Staraptor "The Bird That Can Fight Anything". Mostly because of Close Combat, and Brave Bird letting it take on the very things that once decimated it and it's flock. Ice, Steel, and Rock. Types very common in it's home.
It really is the bird which through it's journey has become strong enough to protect the thing most important to it.
Love the 2 hour video drop. You've enlightened my day with interesting Pokemon facts
I did not know that Loons are what made that sound, but I knew that sound signaled dusk.
Hearing my home country Cape Verde being mentioned was not on my bingo list
Okay, I made a definition.-
Regional bird/bug/animal - The first Flying-type/Bug-type/Normal-type [these can be swapped for bird/bug/non-bird and non-bug animal that is also at least part-Normal-type] Pokemon encountered in the regional PokeDex that evolves.*
*If there are multiple next to each other on the PokeDex, they are both the regional bird/bug/animal.
*If the first Flying-type is also a Bug-type, then it becomes the regional bug, not the regional bird.
*If the first Normal-type is also a Flying-type, then it becomes the regional bird, not the regional animal.
*If the first Bug-type is also a Normal-type, then it becomes the regional bug, not the regional animal.
Bro, even tho this came out 7 hours ago, I swear I heard the "yup, that's a turkey 🐦" bit before 💀💀
that reference to spy and soldier’s iconic exchange at 0:21
I am a Toucannon fan and it was one of the strongest Pokemon on my team. Took it all the way from Route 1 to the Elite 4. Madlad!
Fun fact: Rookiedee is one of the only 2 pure flying types, and the other pure flying type is tornadus
i watched the Pokemon 1008 encounters and all of these regional birds are in the same frame/group. it's like the pokemon company acknowledging this fan term but they were not specific about on what we should call them. in the start of the video they show the starters then the early route regional mammals, then they show all the regional birds, and all the birds that were shown in 1 frame, is pidgey, hoothoot, taillow, starly, pidove, fletchling and rookie. (wattrell is not there because they showed it in the list of new pokemon when they introduce all the pokemon in paldea. and also wingull/natu/spearow are not in that frame/group.) and also yes their total base stats total are close to each other, it's just like how we call a line of pokemon with 600 total base stats as "pseudo legendary".
It's pretty much confirmation on the swellow vs. wingull competion for regional bird. The pokemon company gave an answer, even if they didn't slap the words "regional bird" on there, they pretty much solidified most ideas on what a regional bird is
1. Evolves
2. Non starter
3. Bird
4. First dex wise
A wise man once said "Ornithology is my swing".
I'm ready to watch some bird Pokémon!
1. I am surprised that he didn't mention the easy connection of the Talonflame line. Fletchling and Fletchinder also come from Kindling, the baby fuel needed to start a fire from scratch, and Tinder, the necessary spark needed to keep the fire going. Combine those two and you have a flame!
2. Another detail about the Kilowattrel line is that its theming of piracy even goes into it mechanically. It's Electric/Flying, and is therefore supereffective against every other regional bird, and can bully them into giving them whatever they want.
You forgot to include that they must evolve in their introductory region into the final definition because now Honchkrow counts.
Tbh, I never considered Tailow line as regional bird because I encountered wingull first.
My definition is
1: A Pokémon that contains at least 1 evolution.
2: Must be flying type for at least one of its forms and still be a bird (such as if we got a Pokémon that was say Water/Flying then in second stage became Water/Grass or electric)
3: Must be the first line of new Pokemon for its introduction region that meets this criteria in its regional dex. (I.E. Wingul can be found first but tallow is still listed first in the honenn regional dex)
This definition is probably going to change later though.
I just say why not count Wingull in there. Why can't there be two in a region? Hoenn did this with both the pika clones and the pseudos for instance why wouldn't it do so with the birds?
0:22 Wonderful TF2 reference
2 hour's?...I thought for sure I was seeing things for a sec lol
Watching Lockstin explain the deeper parts of pokemon is so comforting
When Trumbeak said "Noot noot", I felt that.
For most youtubers, I see a 45-minute video and think, too long. However, when it's a gnoggin video, 2 hours is not enough. I would watch Austin and his channel for 5 hours and still be entertained. Well done 👏 👍 👌
You either die a Pokémon generalist, or live long enough to see yourself become obsessed with birds.
Hoenn has two Psuedo-legendaries, two evil teams, and it has two regional bird lines: one for the land and one for the sea.
Exactly
Oh my god, Lockstin really managed to punch a bird.
0:23 The TF2 reference is gold!
K the Turkey thing had me laughing for about 30 seconds...well done 🤣
Can't argue that Pigeons are smart, Where I work we had a few of them living under a couple of our warehouse dock plates. When we tried to block off access to keep them from making their nests in there, they figured out that if they just waited for us to raise them to load and unload trucks, they could just get back in and out in that time window.
I did not expect this to be a 2 hours video talking about birds, I don't mind that :)
This thumbnail is GLORIOUS.
The way my eye twitched when he said Golden Sonic
The Toucannon line is the best. There are no other contenders for the throne.
i actually think unfezant has some use. it gets super luck which is quite hefty when used with scope lens. on top of that i pretty much like all birds, eiscue and cramorant being my two favorites, but ive used unfezant before and was quite pleased
Same. I kept it throughout my entire BW playthrough. I feel like Unfezant gets a lot of hate. It's not as pretty or cool as other regional birds but I don't hate it.
I've always enjoyed the rpg aspect of pokemon more than the competitive scene. For thst reason, I always enjoy this channel. Histories, inspirations and in-world mythology are discussed brilliantly here.
30:50 ahh a good ol Team Fortress 2 Soldier meme, a classic one at that
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