I have 4 airguns and my 2240 has weakest, thinnest blueing, brass bolt was falling apart, and i had machinist make a copy of it from steel. This pistol was manufactured in 2011. It sat 11 years on shelf in store next to more modern repeater co² pistols.
That’s bizarre. A couple of years ago I ordered a Crosman 2300T Target model and it’s finish was badly discolored and lightly rusted as thought it had been in a damp warehouse for years. Amazon made good on it and that was the only thing like that so far.
I agree on that improvement as well as others. If yours works now I expect it will continue working for a long time. Thanks for sharing your experience. Much appreciated! 👍🏻
I have many "pop its" waiting to be used as hangers , if you have the part and it fixes it tell them to send you a replacement. You saving them the trouble of troubleshooting and fixing it, it's the least they could do. Al
You’re totally correct. I’m quite curious. If forced to guess, I’m betting there’s a problem between the CO2 capsules and that first seal going into the valve. Any bets/guesses?
I ordered my Custom Shop 1300xt as soon as I heard Crosman sold. No custom shop guns now. Crosman had great service and parts availability. Next I'm afraid will be the Crosman Premier Pellets.
Hey Charles, I believe I watched your video on that airgun. Losing the Custom shop and the outstanding parts department will be the hardest. Super sad about that.
Just bought my first 2240 here in the UK thought I was getting a pistol made in the u.s although quality seems good still a bit disappointed if I buy a American gun I want it made there I no its cheaper to manufacture in China but it loses a lot of charm for me growing up watching all those great u.s cop in the 70s and 80s the kid in me wants a American gun that's all rant over😢 enjoying
People are already trying to identify and buy up any NOS (new old stock) made in the USA Crosmans. It really shouldn’t make a difference but it does. If there becomes a substantial quality decline it will be a problem. Let’s all hope for better days. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts.
Far too few people in the hobby cover this kind of thing. Unfortunately it happens in every industry from time to time. Thanks for the transparency. Crosman has always done right by me and I own more of their products than I could count, so I'm very curious to see if they respond and how. My bet is they take care of you. Cheers!
Thanks. I don’t want to jump to the worst conclusion. I’m also aware from my knowledge of firearms manufacturing, moving production from country to country is extremely challenging. And that’s when first world countries like Germany and Austria or Italy and the US do it they often have early trouble. So right now I’m pretty much fingers crossed and praying for the best. Be well and careful not to get tendinitis firing that monster springer pistol you have. 🤣🙃
The wasps and stinkbugs on the back deck have certainly lamented the new toy arriving haha. Coming up on 500 destroyers through it already! 🐝💥- - - - - - - - 🔫🧐
Hey Al, I was hoping you would crack it open and see what kind of mischief you could find. You know you want to. Something I see that's different is the gold 2240, all mine are stamped- recessed into the tube along with the warnings and the place of manufacture. Bloomfield, NY
Brice, you’re to funny 🤣with, “you know you want to”. I’m still grinning 😅 Yeah, I guess you have got me there. I’m horribly curious what the problem is. And diagnosing leaky CO2 guns would seem to be a useful video. Ahhh, 😱 looks like I’ll take a shot at it. Thanks, buddy!
I purchased my first Crosman, a new 2240XL In September 2024. Made in China. The trigger and sear look to be stamped. Polishing the contact surfaces was difficult - not easy like my Diana Chaser. Replaced the weird trigger with a 3D printed 1911 style one. It took a few weeks to receive a suppressor; when it arrived, the suppressor changed the bullet impact a few inches at just 8 yards. Got another suppressor; exactly the same thing. Conclusion, the pressed-on threaded adapter is mis-alligned. Trying to return the gun costs money and no guarantee the replacement will be good, so am waiting on a replacement clean barrel to use with a good quality slip-on threaded adapter. Overall, I like the quality of the Diana a lot more than the Crosman, but the Diana hand grip is awful and had to be replaced with an after market grip from Germany; now it's great.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I’ve heard some horror stories about some of the 2240xl threaded barrels. I believe the standard barrels are more accurate. Good luck and thanks for sharing your experiences.
I just discovered your channel, and I enjoy it very much. I'm trying to make a decision between the Crosman 1377 and the Crosman 2240. Because of the quality of these two pistols,I became disenchanted with the 2240 being made in China and the gas leak that you mentioned. In your opinion, would you still recommend my purchase of the 2240? I'm 73 and have always enjoyed hunting and using air pistols and rifles with my first being the Daisy model# 25 pump. Thanks for allowing me the time to celebrate you and your channel.💯
Unfortunately I believe the 1377 is produced overseas as well. That being said, I’ve had two new ones go through my hands this last year and they were both great. I suspect my faulty 2240 is not representative of the product overall. And I want to believe any manufacturing problems will be sorted out (if they haven’t been already.) As far as which one to get, the 2240 has convenience and power on its side but unmoderated it’s pretty loud. The 1377 offers variable power, cheaper operation and some people find easier to shoot well. I’m an airgun enabler, so I think it’s more a matter of which one should you buy FIRST. 🤷🏻♂️😁
@@AlsAirguns I'm sold on the 1377. It's publicly well liked and respected,seeming worldwide. Thanks for your reply...and I subscribed to your great channel.👍
Thanks for your subscription. I did not want to push but I think you made a good choice. Every time I shoot a 1377 I am blown away by the accuracy. Time and time again. Have fun.
Is that inner breech screw on yours 1/16" vs .050? I recently purchased one and noticed all the fastener changes including my 1/16" hex fit the breech screw. I thought maybe the hex socket is rounded out from factory but my 1/16" hex fit it perfect.
I'm interested to see what you find when you tear into it Al. The problem with everything/everyone pointing to the transition is, how many of the things had Crosman already moved overseas? The 362, 3622, custom shop and 13xx were made in USA, with 3622 coming out after the buyout. But their break barrels have for sure been chinese manufactured for a while. The new prospect pcp also started as China. Most of the "globally sourced" parts for "assembled in USA" are also of Chinese manufacturing. All of that to say, I am still hopeful that quality will not decline, but I don't think we have even begun to see the real impact of the buyout. 😢
I think you’re correct about it being too soon to see the real impact of the buyout. As I said in another reply, companies don’t purchase other companies with the intention of making them worse. In taking the 2240 apart I saw some encouraging things. The video should post for members today,
i had bought a crossman years ago and it had lasted for so many years it just broke out of no where 3 days ago i bought a crossman F 4 break barrel and crossman has changed a lot the stock and grips are solid plastic for a nitro piston crossman is all Chinese now this industry has changed a lot over the years gamo is a promising
Yes, things are very different lately. While, I perceived it as a good thin ale Gamo purchased BSA in the UK a few years back. At first people freaked out but in the end I think it’s worked out well.
That seems about right. Look at Crosman/Benjamin production they are using both Turkey & China. I know the same thing is true in firearms production as well. Good to see you back here. 👍🏻🕺🏻
Looks like I see one improvement, they left the ugly stamped warning off the co2 tube . I paid for something called a smooth tube which was more expensive than the stamped tube , now it looks like it comes as a standard . They skip a stwp to save money and we all Win in the case of the co2 tube anyway .
Yes, they used to say the roll stamped tubes were not as strong as the smooth or laser marked tubes. Give it time and someone will figure out charging for “vintage stamped markings.” 🤷🏻♂️👀😟
I have their (1322) (1377) (powermaster 760) (crosman fire) all very nice guns and I think those are the last Crossman's I will own unless they step up their game
Good video, eventually seals will need replacement in co2 and pcp rifles and pistols. What concerns me are the barrel manufacturing and specs, not much you can do with a lousy out of spec barrel except to try different head size pellets. Like many air rifle enthusiasts I own upwards of 100 guns, several are from China and have very poor accuracy due to bad barrels. My USA made 2240 is very accurate and would hate to see the quality dissipate.
Hi al....great chanell, bought one of these chinese made 2240 to compare with the rest of my crosman collection of 12 so far. cant fault the chinese version so far. Love the blued barrel, seems a bit better finished, but.......hate the cheap grips, copied from the newer 1377. time will tell. Agree with you,at least they are still being made....all the best.. regards from the u.k.
Many tough realities of product manufacture and distribution these days. The global village turns out to be a tough neighborhood. Between that and silly legislation it can be tough having hobbies these days. 🤔
Not an owner of these Crosman pistols myself. But. A question: Has these 2240s ever been sold in a plastic clamshell packaging? Just wondering if it'd be a good sign to tell quickly which one preferrably to buy, whenever preferring a 'Made in the USA" piece.. Myself not having an idea wether these Crosmans always been sold in a box. As an replica pistol enthusiast I just know that the US has gotten many airpistols clamshelled, even though Europe got almost same items in a cardboard box. That "almost same" though is mostly because the US often get more warning texts written on some models. This particular thing I at least noticed very well on the co2 blowback H&K USP BB pistol when I looked at mine and one reviewed overseas, which came clamshelled - and with lots of extra white warnings on the slide, which I had not gotten on mine.. Thus this Crosman thing got my interest.. Might jjst wanna buy myself now a Crosman 2240 made in the US, before it is too late..
They were sold at some retailers in the clamshell plastic containers. Although I don’t know for certain my sense was that clamshell & boxes were made simultaneously for different stores. But that’s really just a hunch.
Iv already seen that there selling individual parts that are made in China for the 2240. If they can at least come close to the same quality it wouldn't be so bad the price is a big difference that for sure. Iv seen a steal breech kit from China that looks identical to the normal steal breech but it was only 25$ for the breech kit but how know what quality it be though. 🤔💯✌️
That’s really interesting. It’s really hard to say where it will all lead. As a musician and stringed instrument tech, I’ve seen guitars, violins, cello’s, basses etc., all go through similar production issues. It’s not that we can’t make excellent handcrafted guitars in America, unfortunately you have to be a Saudi Prince to afford it. Now certainly I exaggerate but the broad truth is certainly there. Economics and price to the consumer play a role. Particularly in non-necessity purchases.
So do you have a Markpoint or are you waiting to win? I’d thought about doing something very similar with a Benjamin Trail 2 Pistol (or whatever it is called.)
@AlsAirguns iv got the mark point in my basket Amazon actually trying to find the parts to modify for a reasonable price . The kit for building a carbines rifle there at 150$ and I'll most likely have to mod it to fit to sense its not exactly the same as a air soft model. So I'm not sure yet If any thing I'd be able to at least add a stock for about 40$ . I really wish they had a size spec sheet for the parts them selves just because I try not to go more in parts then the airgun cost. Its also non refundable for soft air parts I'm also ordering the mark point from Amazon so I can always return or exchange it with in a month if I happen to win it if not no biggie I'll still be building it . 💯✌️👍💪🫡
Hi Al. What a big disappointment on Crosman part. China has a reputation for making cheap and ordinary things. I would never buy an airgun made in china. Japan maybe yes. Very disappointed. By the way, I just discovered your channel and it is very good. Regards from Mexico.
Products made in China can be good or bad, it depends on quality control and oversight. Many things are considered "cheap Chinese garbage" because the company chose to allow corner cutting for $$. The same thing is true in any country.
I just bought a new 1377. Same thing. I have a 1978 first edition 1377 and a 1997 second edition. This new one is nowhere near as good as the old ones. I have decided that any Crosman air guns I buy in the future will be older ones. I had rather buy an American made, or at least American assembled, used gun and rebuild it myself than a new one that is poorly made.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course stories like this break my heart. I sincerely hope that things will improve again. I often talk about my experience in the music industry where we have actually seen employees, original owners and fan based investment groups buy companies back from corporations and restore the quality. Also as my old business partner would remind me, Al people (companies) don’t usually purchase things (other companies) with the intention of making them worth less. In short, “Almost no one buys a business to ruin it.”, could be their plan sucks or they are having transitional issues, we’ll just have to see.
Hand assembled by lil kids that are prob forced to work there & live under their workbench . Reason why older US made used airguns are fetching a pretty penny on eBay & rightly so.
I bought my Grandson a Daisy lever spring rifle for Christmas a couple years ago and it was total garbage straight out of the box , failed at the first shot ‼️
I hear ya, that's a shame to hear! Now I just had another viewer tell me they received one recently and it was really sweet. I wonder if the problems might be transitional and perhaps long term they’ll work out the kinks. Who knows? Certainly unfortunate what happened to you though.
So better no more 2240, 1322, 1377, 363, no more Marauders, Field Target rifles or reasonably priced Silhouette pistols. All gone and we what by Chinese manufactured ones from a European company? We do without until someone in the US can produce them at a price no one can afford for two years until the business fails. I’m a patriot and I love the U.S. but I also believe we may be in the middle of difficult times. Country of manufacture does not necessarily mean anything about quality. Price often does.
What good does it do the save a couple of bucks having something built in another country and leave no jobs for those here? Who then can purchase the products if you are not working? Just saying.
Darn, the 2 million people that bought them must have been really confused. I don’t remember ever seeing a commercial or celebrity endorsement so it can’t be marketing. How do you explain their success over the last 75 years? Really? And more importantly, what product do you think is better? Why? I’m being sarcastic but also serious. Ninety percent of people with responses like that are 1) never heard from again. 2) can’t answer those questions or 3) their preferred airgun cost a million dollars or is made from umobtanium.
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I have 4 airguns and my 2240 has weakest, thinnest blueing, brass bolt was falling apart, and i had machinist make a copy of it from steel. This pistol was manufactured in 2011. It sat 11 years on shelf in store next to more modern repeater co² pistols.
That’s bizarre. A couple of years ago I ordered a Crosman 2300T Target model and it’s finish was badly discolored and lightly rusted as thought it had been in a damp warehouse for years. Amazon made good on it and that was the only thing like that so far.
I got my first totally Chinese made 2240 a month ago. So far, so good. The bigger allen hexagonal hole of the breech screw is a real improvement.
I agree on that improvement as well as others. If yours works now I expect it will continue working for a long time. Thanks for sharing your experience. Much appreciated! 👍🏻
They did smooth out the welded areas like I thought over the rougher edged USA 🇺🇸 versions.🤠
So are you saying that you feel like the ones made over seas are finished better than the recent USA airguns?
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Not at all…this will be their selling point over the 🇺🇸 made version.
Refined looks with cheaper parts and labor.
Don't worry, Daisy just bought Crosman, the new improved quality brand will be called Craizy!
Good one.
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I have many "pop its" waiting to be used as hangers , if you have the part and it fixes it tell them to send you a replacement. You saving them the trouble of troubleshooting and fixing it, it's the least they could do. Al
You’re totally correct. I’m quite curious. If forced to guess, I’m betting there’s a problem between the CO2 capsules and that first seal going into the valve.
Any bets/guesses?
I ordered my Custom Shop 1300xt as soon as I heard Crosman sold. No custom shop guns now. Crosman had great service and parts availability. Next I'm afraid will be the Crosman Premier Pellets.
don't say that
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Hey Charles, I believe I watched your video on that airgun. Losing the Custom shop and the outstanding parts department will be the hardest. Super sad about that.
Just bought my first 2240 here in the UK thought I was getting a pistol made in the u.s although quality seems good still a bit disappointed if I buy a American gun I want it made there I no its cheaper to manufacture in China but it loses a lot of charm for me growing up watching all those great u.s cop in the 70s and 80s the kid in me wants a American gun that's all rant over😢 enjoying
People are already trying to identify and buy up any NOS (new old stock) made in the USA Crosmans. It really shouldn’t make a difference but it does. If there becomes a substantial quality decline it will be a problem.
Let’s all hope for better days. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts.
The Crosman pellets definitely have changed in the last 2 years.
I’ve been shooting from inventory so I haven’t noticed. Good to know.
Far too few people in the hobby cover this kind of thing. Unfortunately it happens in every industry from time to time. Thanks for the transparency. Crosman has always done right by me and I own more of their products than I could count, so I'm very curious to see if they respond and how. My bet is they take care of you. Cheers!
Thanks. I don’t want to jump to the worst conclusion. I’m also aware from my knowledge of firearms manufacturing, moving production from country to country is extremely challenging. And that’s when first world countries like Germany and Austria or Italy and the US do it they often have early trouble. So right now I’m pretty much fingers crossed and praying for the best. Be well and careful not to get tendinitis firing that monster springer pistol you have. 🤣🙃
The wasps and stinkbugs on the back deck have certainly lamented the new toy arriving haha. Coming up on 500 destroyers through it already!
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Good for you. Do you notice it breaking in?
Hey Al, I was hoping you would crack it open and see what kind of mischief you could find. You know you want to. Something I see that's different is the gold 2240, all mine are stamped- recessed into the tube along with the warnings and the place of manufacture. Bloomfield, NY
Brice, you’re to funny 🤣with, “you know you want to”. I’m still grinning 😅 Yeah, I guess you have got me there. I’m horribly curious what the problem is. And diagnosing leaky CO2 guns would seem to be a useful video. Ahhh, 😱 looks like I’ll take a shot at it. Thanks, buddy!
@@AlsAirguns 😉👌
I purchased my first Crosman, a new 2240XL In September 2024. Made in China. The trigger and sear look to be stamped. Polishing the contact surfaces was difficult - not easy like my Diana Chaser. Replaced the weird trigger with a 3D printed 1911 style one. It took a few weeks to receive a suppressor; when it arrived, the suppressor changed the bullet impact a few inches at just 8 yards. Got another suppressor; exactly the same thing. Conclusion, the pressed-on threaded adapter is mis-alligned. Trying to return the gun costs money and no guarantee the replacement will be good, so am waiting on a replacement clean barrel to use with a good quality slip-on threaded adapter. Overall, I like the quality of the Diana a lot more than the Crosman, but the Diana hand grip is awful and had to be replaced with an after market grip from Germany; now it's great.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I’ve heard some horror stories about some of the 2240xl threaded barrels. I believe the standard barrels are more accurate. Good luck and thanks for sharing your experiences.
I just discovered your channel, and I enjoy it very much. I'm trying to make a decision between the Crosman 1377 and the Crosman 2240. Because of the quality of these two pistols,I became disenchanted with the 2240 being made in China and the gas leak that you mentioned. In your opinion, would you still recommend my purchase of the 2240? I'm 73 and have always enjoyed hunting and using air pistols and rifles with my first being the Daisy model# 25 pump. Thanks for allowing me the time to celebrate you and your channel.💯
Unfortunately I believe the 1377 is produced overseas as well. That being said, I’ve had two new ones go through my hands this last year and they were both great. I suspect my faulty 2240 is not representative of the product overall. And I want to believe any manufacturing problems will be sorted out (if they haven’t been already.)
As far as which one to get, the 2240 has convenience and power on its side but unmoderated it’s pretty loud. The 1377 offers variable power, cheaper operation and some people find easier to shoot well.
I’m an airgun enabler, so I think it’s more a matter of which one should you buy FIRST. 🤷🏻♂️😁
@@AlsAirguns I'm sold on the 1377. It's publicly well liked and respected,seeming worldwide. Thanks for your reply...and I subscribed to your great channel.👍
Thanks for your subscription. I did not want to push but I think you made a good choice. Every time I shoot a 1377 I am blown away by the accuracy. Time and time again. Have fun.
Is that inner breech screw on yours 1/16" vs .050? I recently purchased one and noticed all the fastener changes including my 1/16" hex fit the breech screw. I thought maybe the hex socket is rounded out from factory but my 1/16" hex fit it perfect.
I’m taking mine apart today so guess we’ll know the answers soon enough. 🤷🏻♂️Looking at it I suspect you’re right about the 1/16.
I'm interested to see what you find when you tear into it Al. The problem with everything/everyone pointing to the transition is, how many of the things had Crosman already moved overseas? The 362, 3622, custom shop and 13xx were made in USA, with 3622 coming out after the buyout. But their break barrels have for sure been chinese manufactured for a while. The new prospect pcp also started as China. Most of the "globally sourced" parts for "assembled in USA" are also of Chinese manufacturing.
All of that to say, I am still hopeful that quality will not decline, but I don't think we have even begun to see the real impact of the buyout. 😢
I think you’re correct about it being too soon to see the real impact of the buyout. As I said in another reply, companies don’t purchase other companies with the intention of making them worse. In taking the 2240 apart I saw some encouraging things. The video should post for members today,
i had bought a crossman years ago and it had lasted for so many years it just broke out of no where 3 days ago i bought a crossman F 4 break barrel and crossman has changed a lot the stock and grips are solid plastic for a nitro piston crossman is all Chinese now this industry has changed a lot over the years gamo is a promising
Yes, things are very different lately. While, I perceived it as a good thin ale Gamo purchased BSA in the UK a few years back. At first people freaked out but in the end I think it’s worked out well.
What grips does that 2240 have on it? Did they change those too?
They changed those a while ago. They are the same grips used on the current 1377 and 1322 as well.
Darn it! I was going to get one. I already got the better grips.
You'll probably still want to get one. They generally make really good air guns! I’m going to tear into this one and find out what’s up.
@@AlsAirguns Thank you! I will subscribe and stay tuned. Very nice video. ;-] -and at least it's a design we can work with. ;-]
I wonder if China 🇨🇳 will have the Custom Shop version of the CROSMAN line?
I’m guessing a big, Nope. 👎🏼
Most of my new air guns are made in Turkey or China today.
That seems about right. Look at Crosman/Benjamin production they are using both Turkey & China. I know the same thing is true in firearms production as well. Good to see you back here. 👍🏻🕺🏻
Looks like I see one improvement, they left the ugly stamped warning off the co2 tube . I paid for something called a smooth tube which was more expensive than the stamped tube , now it looks like it comes as a standard . They skip a stwp to save money and we all Win in the case of the co2 tube anyway .
Yes, they used to say the roll stamped tubes were not as strong as the smooth or laser marked tubes. Give it time and someone will figure out charging for “vintage stamped markings.” 🤷🏻♂️👀😟
@@AlsAirguns lol you are so right . I literally laughed for real . Great Answer to my comment .
These days I think a little laughter can be really welcome. Take care and glad you are having fun.
I have their (1322) (1377) (powermaster 760) (crosman fire) all very nice guns and I think those are the last Crossman's I will own unless they step up their game
I’m hoping it’s a bump in the road and somehow they make it through.
@@AlsAirguns I do to I dont want them to go away
Me either. It’s been a part of out culture for so long. For that matter Crosman is really big in Britain and other countries too.
Good video, eventually seals will need replacement in co2 and pcp rifles and pistols. What concerns me are the barrel manufacturing and specs, not much you can do with a lousy out of spec barrel except to try different head size pellets. Like many air rifle enthusiasts I own upwards of 100 guns, several are from China and have very poor accuracy due to bad barrels. My USA made 2240 is very accurate and would hate to see the quality dissipate.
You’re right, without good barrels airguns aren’t much fun. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
Hi al....great chanell, bought one of these chinese made 2240 to compare with the rest of my crosman collection of
12 so far. cant fault the chinese version so far. Love the blued barrel, seems a bit better finished, but.......hate the cheap grips, copied from the newer 1377. time will tell. Agree with you,at least they are still being made....all the best..
regards from the u.k.
Many tough realities of product manufacture and distribution these days. The global village turns out to be a tough neighborhood. Between that and silly legislation it can be tough having hobbies these days. 🤔
Not an owner of these Crosman pistols myself.
But. A question:
Has these 2240s ever been sold in a plastic clamshell packaging?
Just wondering if it'd be a good sign to tell quickly which one preferrably to buy, whenever preferring a 'Made in the USA" piece..
Myself not having an idea wether these Crosmans always been sold in a box. As an replica pistol enthusiast I just know that the US has gotten many airpistols clamshelled, even though Europe got almost same items in a cardboard box. That "almost same" though is mostly because the US often get more warning texts written on some models. This particular thing I at least noticed very well on the co2 blowback H&K USP BB pistol when I looked at mine and one reviewed overseas, which came clamshelled - and with lots of extra white warnings on the slide, which I had not gotten on mine.. Thus this Crosman thing got my interest.. Might jjst wanna buy myself now a Crosman 2240 made in the US, before it is too late..
They were sold at some retailers in the clamshell plastic containers. Although I don’t know for certain my sense was that clamshell & boxes were made simultaneously for different stores. But that’s really just a hunch.
Iv already seen that there selling individual parts that are made in China for the 2240. If they can at least come close to the same quality it wouldn't be so bad the price is a big difference that for sure. Iv seen a steal breech kit from China that looks identical to the normal steal breech but it was only 25$ for the breech kit but how know what quality it be though. 🤔💯✌️
That’s really interesting. It’s really hard to say where it will all lead. As a musician and stringed instrument tech, I’ve seen guitars, violins, cello’s, basses etc., all go through similar production issues. It’s not that we can’t make excellent handcrafted guitars in America, unfortunately you have to be a Saudi Prince to afford it. Now certainly I exaggerate but the broad truth is certainly there. Economics and price to the consumer play a role. Particularly in non-necessity purchases.
So do you have a Markpoint or are you waiting to win? I’d thought about doing something very similar with a Benjamin Trail 2 Pistol (or whatever it is called.)
@AlsAirguns iv got the mark point in my basket Amazon actually trying to find the parts to modify for a reasonable price . The kit for building a carbines rifle there at 150$ and I'll most likely have to mod it to fit to sense its not exactly the same as a air soft model. So I'm not sure yet If any thing I'd be able to at least add a stock for about 40$ . I really wish they had a size spec sheet for the parts them selves just because I try not to go more in parts then the airgun cost. Its also non refundable for soft air parts I'm also ordering the mark point from Amazon so I can always return or exchange it with in a month if I happen to win it if not no biggie I'll still be building it . 💯✌️👍💪🫡
My 2240 was made in E. Bloomfield NY usa..
Hang on to it. It may grow in value.
Hi Al. What a big disappointment on Crosman part. China has a reputation for making cheap and ordinary things. I would never buy an airgun made in china. Japan maybe yes. Very disappointed. By the way, I just discovered your channel and it is very good. Regards from Mexico.
Hey welcome and thanks for the comments. It’s disappointing to be sure. Regards from Oregon, USA
there is some pretty good chinese made products out there
Products made in China can be good or bad, it depends on quality control and oversight. Many things are considered "cheap Chinese garbage" because the company chose to allow corner cutting for $$. The same thing is true in any country.
@@PapaTAdventures You are spot on. The Chinese are capable of producing whatever level of quality and quality control you’re willing to pay for.
Yes. And yes it is intentional.
Why do you think intentionally?
I just bought a new 1377. Same thing. I have a 1978 first edition 1377 and a 1997 second edition. This new one is nowhere near as good as the old ones. I have decided that any Crosman air guns I buy in the future will be older ones. I had rather buy an American made, or at least American assembled, used gun and rebuild it myself than a new one that is poorly made.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course stories like this break my heart. I sincerely hope that things will improve again. I often talk about my experience in the music industry where we have actually seen employees, original owners and fan based investment groups buy companies back from corporations and restore the quality. Also as my old business partner would remind me, Al people (companies) don’t usually purchase things (other companies) with the intention of making them worth less. In short, “Almost no one buys a business to ruin it.”, could be their plan sucks or they are having transitional issues, we’ll just have to see.
Hand assembled by lil kids that are prob forced to work there & live under their workbench . Reason why older US made used airguns are fetching a pretty penny on eBay & rightly so.
So it’s made next to my iPhone? 😟
@@AlsAirguns unfortunately so GM !;Got you a sub , Al. Commies have taken the rc World by the cojones , too lol
Since the 90's: poor q.c. and terrible customer service
I had no idea?
I bought my Grandson a Daisy lever spring rifle for Christmas a couple years ago and it was total garbage straight out of the box , failed at the first shot ‼️
I hear ya, that's a shame to hear! Now I just had another viewer tell me they received one recently and it was really sweet. I wonder if the problems might be transitional and perhaps long term they’ll work out the kinks. Who knows? Certainly unfortunate what happened to you though.
yes for years and theyr customer service was never good since 1990
Been getting worse for a while, huh?
Any American company that moves its operation to a foreign country should be banned. And tariff in the bankruptcy.
So better no more 2240, 1322, 1377, 363, no more Marauders, Field Target rifles or reasonably priced Silhouette pistols. All gone and we what by Chinese manufactured ones from a European company?
We do without until someone in the US can produce them at a price no one can afford for two years until the business fails.
I’m a patriot and I love the U.S. but I also believe we may be in the middle of difficult times. Country of manufacture does not necessarily mean anything about quality. Price often does.
I wont buy crosman after having 2 bad rifles
Wow, so what happened. Please share.
The fit and finish was bad and i couldn't sight it in even with a scope. This was a wood 392 not the newer plastic ones@AlsAirguns
Man that really stinks. Sorry to hear that.
MY BEEMMAN C1, TEMPEST & HURRICANE ARE STILL FUNCTIONING PERFECT AFTER MORE THAN 40 YEARS. CROSSMAN IS DEAD TO ME......
I totally understand where you’re coming from.
What good does it do the save a couple of bucks having something built in another country and leave no jobs for those here? Who then can purchase the products if you are not working? Just saying.
Very true.
There is a reason the manufacturing costs is cheaper in China. Its inferior.
Could be.
Never was very good to begin with .
Darn, the 2 million people that bought them must have been really confused. I don’t remember ever seeing a commercial or celebrity endorsement so it can’t be marketing. How do you explain their success over the last 75 years? Really?
And more importantly, what product do you think is better? Why?
I’m being sarcastic but also serious. Ninety percent of people with responses like that are 1) never heard from again. 2) can’t answer those questions or 3) their preferred airgun cost a million dollars or is made from umobtanium.
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