Dave Bartosh what are you talking about? of all the underrated movies, this definitely ain't one. it got 5 oscars and high reviews, just like it deserves.
The mirror scene is extremely sad and perfectly executed. The image of himself as a child (dreaming of achievements) is so self-assured and confident - the last moments of him as an adult (having achieved all of his childhood dreams) is of him so fearful and uncertain
I always saw it differently…saw it as him telling himself he had achieved everything he ever wanted to and could now allow his mind to drift off into the void…
maxy mofoo DoCaprio’s career shows me once again how the Oscar’s are not accurate. He deserves an oscar for almost each movie he has made, with exception of the raveant, where he got it just bc they wanted to fix such an injustice
The Abcool Because I can always tell he’s acting, I never get lost in his performance. He’s definitely a good actor, but not great. So overrated. Joaquin Phoenix is a thousand times better than him.
This reminds me of the behavior that Aubrey Plaza experienced when she had a stroke, apparently she just kept saying "I'm 19." over and over again, she would try to say other things, but that was all that would come out. She was 20. She also experienced other kinds of Aphasia. Not that Hughs was necessarily stroking out, but its possible he was having mini strokes, and they were exacerbating his OCD tendencies.
@@Lurklen Strokes don't make you let your fingernails grow out many inches without cutting them, nor do strokes cause one to watch a movie 150 times in a row.
@@dreamlandnightmare No, obviously. But that's not the incident I was referring to, and mini strokes can cause alterations in behavior without causing death. There was a man, a famously smart man ( I cannot remember his name, and I've tried to look up the article, which I think was Nat Geo. but can't find it), who had a unique arterial structure in his skull which meant he was getting twice as much blood flow to his brain as other people, it also meant when he started acting strangely and doctors eventually tried to investigate the cause they had a great deal of trouble identifying it (they searched for issues in the normal place, but were not aware of his physical abnormality until later). When they found out about his situation it was revealed that he had been having numerous (as in possibly hundreds) of mini strokes, likely cause by this increased blood flow and an issue with the artery. Upon doing further research I found that Hughs' brain was seen to be quite healthy at the time of his death (at least according to the opinions of medicine in the 1970's) so it's very unlikely my hypothesis was correct, but it wasn't entirely groundless. Mini strokes can cause alterations of behavior, and can cause exacerbation of previously documented mental health issues, including wild fluctuations in temperament (something Howard was described as exhibiting multiple times and by multiple close people in his life). Long story short, repeated strokes can cause behavior reminiscent of some of Howard's symptoms. Not that I'm saying OCD is caused by mini-strokes, or that it was exclusively the cause of his issues, I was merely raising the possibility, based on a fictional scene no less. As you are someone who has to deal with OCD symptoms, I apologize if I caused any offence, my intent was merely to point out some similarities in behavior between different cases, not to cast any judgment or make any substantive claims. I also have mental illness issues, though differing ones, and find this film has always resonated with me also.
People didn't fly to America from London during the 1930s and 40s. My grandparents said that visiting The United States was like a trip to the moon. You had to be extremely rich to cross The North Atlantic. It was Howard Hughes that revolutionized air travel.
Nowadays you dont even need to be middle class to cross the pond. In fact you can be poor and still fly, thanks to the advent of no-frills budget airlines.
@@tuanjim799 I spent 10 months traveling across the world after working for a couple years and saving my money as a 20-year-old. No help from anyone else. You either have an entry-level job or you lack ambition.
@@tuanjim799 Entry-level job - Lack of ambition - Lack of growth. It's a circle. Learn to think outside the box and play the system that plays you. The victim mentality will get you nowhere. You live in a place where opportunity is plentiful if some effort is applied, try it.
Am I the only one who finds bitter-sweetness in this? Howard feels trapped by his OCD, but also remembers his childhood goals and how he has achieved them all.
I think the line is delivered deliberately like this to show the audience a glimpse of how Howard's paranoia can color normal conversation. Seeing those men with the white gloves clearly sets him off into this episode (and is also probably a nod to how he would meet his eventual end in real life). Everything is deliberate with Scorsese.
@@aladee1 i don't get that last part. Howard died unrecognizable, his body ravaged by malnutrition and neglect, but i don't get how that has to do with men in white gloves.
@@johnyoutuber9781 at the end of his life Hughes was being taken care of by a group of Mormon handlers who were all required to wear large white gloves while in his presence. Eventually a few of them conspired to keep him consistently drugged and sedated while they stole his money. He would eventually slip into a coma under their watch and die while being transported on a plane to a hospital. Needles were found broken off in his arms after his death from all the shots they were giving him. Read about it!
@@aladee1 Ah, yes. Sorry, i didn't get it. Though i never read that the "mormons" deliberately drugged him, but just that they went out of their way to satisfy his every whim, as he spiralled further and further down into insanity.
U guys take this scene too literally. Howard had to keep his mind occupied constantly with plans and ideas to execute. The men in gloves represent reality and a void. He had achieved everything and sooner or later everyone runs out of ideas and are left to fester. Most enjoy festering some turn to alcohol. Howard strived for perfection to an extreme level.
I knew I wasn’t seeing the bigger picture! I was taking this scene too literally. I had a feeling those men were Howard’s head playing games with him. Just like the scene where he’s reviewing his film and he puts up his hands and the projector plays on his hands and you can see the planes flying on Howard’s hands just like what he probably feel the germs are doing on his body
Beneath || Paranoia isn’t an essential to OCD, but it can be present. OCD is a shapeshifter; it constantly reforms itself into novel obsessions that demand novel compulsions. Paranoia can be obsessional symptom that drives one to compulsion.
The ending shows us that, though Howard Hughes won against Pan Am and had the Hercules fly, he still hasn't won it starts all over again because of his horrible OCD. The only difference is he finally sees the source.
As someone with OCD his character is just so damn accurate it’s uncanny. Mines not so much verbal like this but mostly repeating things in my mind. I wish he could have gotten better treatment back then for this disorder. I even wonder if medication would have helped had it been around. Makes me have tears just seeing this. Leonardo DiCaprio did a tremendous job in this movie.
I was enjoying the movie quite a lot and then when this ending came in, I was honestly blown away by the acting and the directing. It’s something Kubrick would have been proud of and maybe Scorsese and DiCaprio’s best work. I am reminded of the final seven chords of Sibelius’s fifth symphony when I watch this.
i dont care about awards, i care about talking movies with my friends. none of them have seen this. i dont think i actually know anyone that has. lots of movies win awards, who cares. those awards are nonsense.
@@TheDarkOne508This is one of those movies that deserves the accolades. Great performances and based on the true individual Howard Hughes who did much to advance aviation in the military and civilian sectors.
OCD is something hard to explain and even harder for other people to understand. Things have to be done a certain way and if it isn't I get so angry, and people think you should just get over it, it's nothing. This movie made me aware that there was something wrong with me.
This guy was truly inspired, the tech he helped develop became the way of the future. The way of the future...the way of the future. Shit, now I'm doing it too.
Howard Hughes was a great American innovator who overcame government cronyism pressure to issue in a whole new exciting era for American businesses and consumers.
You know it wasn't the government working against him; it was the competing companies, who happened to own the government. You are talking about crony capitalism AKA neoliberalism AKA monopoly capitalism, all of which are just the natural evolution of a market economy, capitalism.
"When I grow up, I'm gonna fly the fastest planes ever built, make the biggest movies ever, and be the richest man in the world!" The unspoken line as the young Howard and the adult Howard share a look is then "And I *DID*" Modern aviation exists because of this man. A truly perfect scene.
As someone recently diagnosed with Bipolar 1, deeply appreciates the importance of caring friends and family. Having appropriate mental and medical attention for those with a mental illness is critical. Howard is hero and inspiration.
OCD really is a nightmare and way too often it doesn't get treated seriously enough by the media. It's a gimmick or plot device. The show 'Monk' had the guy with OCD being really good at his job because of it. That's completely wrong. If anything it would make him much worse at his job, because of the constant mental chatter and anxiety impeding rational thought. Or 'As Good As It Gets', where Jack Nicholson's OCD is more of a funny quirky than anything. Although I can't totally diss that movie, because it is what gave me the courage to tell my parents about the OCD I had been suffering from for a year by that time. They otherwise could not understand why my marks had crashed and I couldn't get anything done. Or anytime someone says "I'm so OCD". Ha ha. No, you ain't or you wouldn't be saying that. The Aviator has one of the best depictions of just how depraved OCD is. It utterly ruined Hughes' life - all his money couldn't help him. He died about a decade before the first effective treatments and medications for OCD started appearing. Even then, OCD often proves too strong for therapy or medication. The most promising areas of research are coming on fast now though - psychedelics, neurofeedback, direct brain stimulation. Neuroscience is one of the most rapidly developing areas in all of science, and for this 30-year OCD sufferer that does bring some relief, knowing one way or another that they will beat this thing.
I see lots of responses seeing this as sad. I see a man reflecting on his childhood dreams recognising he’s achieved them. He’s saying to his youthful self that he’s going to be “the way of the future”. The smile says it all for me.
I like the part where he says “the way of the future”. The only way this movie could have been better is to have it exactly as it was but the only thing he says in the entire movie, “the way of the future”
It's epic how Leo recalls his past self and says "the way of the... future" and realises his child sellf looking from the miror at what is now this is him in his "future" self, with an with that little smirk on the irony .
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of RUclips. He died malnourished, with needles stuck in his body from rampant drug use and with his mind on fire. I can tell you from experience I'd take being poor over the agony of mental illness. This is no life. It's hell.
Was Howard hallucinating the creepy men or could everyone see them and only Howard thought they were threatening? Either way, I like that detail of the creepy gloved men.
I suppose most people will see only Howard Hughes compulsions in this video, "the way of the future" phrase repeated desperately again and again until he said it "just right", reassures himself and calms down, i.e. his fears, his overwhelming anxiety goes away and finally feels safe again, in control (he recovers his sense of agency). But, if you take a moment, you can also see the external trigger that lead to this bizarre way of acting, perfectly captured by Martin Scorsese... When Hughes takes notice of the guys in blue suits, he starts feeling unsafe, paranoid (also before in the film he had incidents with the goverment searching his houses IIRC and a near fatal plane crash, those are heavy stressors), full of the so called intrusive thoughts, he became obsessed with the perceived danger (hypervigilance), so futhermore his anxiety (feelings of danger) goes way up, and how he copes with those emotions? Trying to be perfect (what is perfect is socially untouchable, and "safe"), in this case, repeating that phrase again and again, until the anxiety and danger feelings goes away. So his OCD is truly a dysfunctional coping mechanism. At the end, he finally feels "perfect" and in control, reinforcing this way of responding to his deep emotional turmoil/distress. What is more interesting is that in the film, after this scene ends, you can clearly see and understand why Howard feels like this: his mother emotionally manipulated him when he was a little boy in order to control him, making him feel deeply unsafe about the world. The mother, by emotionally manipulating him, made him feel guilty and ashamed for his own child's natural needs of exploration and experimentation, making him to see them as something bad and reprehensible (against his mother's wishes and emotional needs). The mother was abusive but the child needs his mother to survive so he unconsciously and instinctively blames himself for his own wants and needs and his mother's abusive and manipulative behavior, and he responded to his mother's abusive behavior trying to be perfect ("When I grow up, I'm gonna fly the fastest planes ever built, make the biggest movies ever, and be the richest man in the world."). From a child immature and narcissistic (all childs are narcissists, not in a pathological sense but naturally, mentally and emotionally undeveloped) point of view this is what it means to be perfect, also to be/feel safe. The anxiety Howard felt here was not a normal mild anxiety, but a primitive, totally overwhelming and out of control form of anxiety that got triggered by the blue suit guys and made him feel in despair, helplessness, like a scared little boy, and be being perfect he is trying to convince himself that he is a "good boy" and safe, so his mother (all this unconcious in nature of course, but we are talking about primordial and unconcious emotions and feelings as the driving force here) is not going to abandon him (the worst thing that can happen to anyone really, but specially to a child, is feeling unloved and alone, exactly what the abandonment feels like, and what the mother's abusive behavior represents, that's the danger he is actually trying to protect from: the emotional pain of rejection). This is exactly what OCD is about: trauma and shattered assumptions about the world, the other people, yourself and your ability to cope with the other two (and not and illness, if you ask me, because as in this film, one does not born with this, it develops, so it's psychosocial, not biological, that means it can be reverted psychosocially), and with it being scared to DEATH (the fear of being alone, abandoned, unloved, rejected, etc, and dying). Awesome film.
The way of the future=To be imagine="When I grow up, I'm gonna make the biggest movies, fly the fastest planes ever built, and be the richest man in the world." But infact, the most important thing is health of mind. İmagines comes from after.
I figured out the ending. Those men work for Trippe, they planned on killing him out of spite due to him being able to fly the Hercules when everyone said it wouldn't work. He went nuts so they left him alone thinking maybe he may off himself in the height of his madness. However at the end when he calmly says those words "Way of the future." More calmly than his initial break down. He's spent most of his life trying to fight his madness with minimum to no success. Here at that last moment, rather than fight it again, he realized the madness was the price of his genius, so rather than try to fight it yet again, he decided to accept it, embrace it.
Imagine where we'd be today if Howard Hughes had a clean bill of health all his life and no one persecuted Alan Turing.... we'd be living on the moon drinking space whiskey dammit!
We get glimpses into what drove Hughs into madness with the memory scenes of his mother and childhood. She is overprotective and also paranoid. The question we don’t know the answer to is was Howard’s insanity drilled into him by his crazy mother or is it a genetic defect he inherited in his genes? Most likely some of both. Like all of Scorsese’s movies they are about a man who’s having an existential crisis. Howard Hughes’ crisis lasted his entire life. Very sad.
He wasn't suffering from "existential" crisis, he was suffering from ocd and ocd obsessions shape themselves based on what you fear. Howard had trauma when it came to illness because of his overprotective mother, hence why his ocd obsessions took this form.
I think this movie underperforms, because americans today, can't really comprehend someone so comprehensively dynamic and innovative and dominating as howard hughes was. His bio almost reads like a greek demigod.
I've always felt that Howard was (despite his wealth and fame) very lonely in his life because of his OCD problems. I felt lonely once, so I know how it feels. 😔😔😔😔
OCD Symptoms Feel the need to check things repeatedly, perform certain routines repeatedly, have certain thoughts repeatedly[1] Complications Tics, anxiety disorder, suicide[2][3] Risk factors Genetics, Biology, Temperament, Childhood Trauma[1]
Before bed I always check my doors are locked and the water faucets are not running. About 10 mins in bed my brain starts to doubt I did these things so I get up and check again. It's mild ocd but ocd nonetheless. It's all i know
His mother tells him he's not safe during Cholera plague. He responds saying he'll fly the fastest planes, make the biggest movies and be the richest man - as a comfort of fearing the plague. And he indeed flies the fastest planes, makes the biggest movies and becomes one of the richest men in the world. But even after doing all of those he still fears plagues. He still has OCD
I'm kinda pissed this movie didn't get the ratings it deserves. Thanks, Mister Scorsese for documenting this great man's life
Dave Bartosh what are you talking about? of all the underrated movies, this definitely ain't one. it got 5 oscars and high reviews, just like it deserves.
Grim TeeshirtYeah, you are right. I was reacting to some movie ratings from idiots.
Well, not everywhere unfortunately... I can't understand why Leo didnt get oscar for this....
Ratings doesnt mean anything. You ejoyed it, that's enough.
olemissfan91 I agree Million Dollar Baby is super overrated.
The mirror scene is extremely sad and perfectly executed. The image of himself as a child (dreaming of achievements) is so self-assured and confident - the last moments of him as an adult (having achieved all of his childhood dreams) is of him so fearful and uncertain
its like the boy is looking at himself in the future as he know about how famous he will be
Did u hear that the russians destroyed the largest plane in the world this morning. Had to rewatch this scene again. So sad.
Di Caprio is simply on another level. He shouldn't be talked about in the same way as 99% of the other actors out there.
That look of agony on his face crushes me. Leo nailed this role.
I always saw it differently…saw it as him telling himself he had achieved everything he ever wanted to and could now allow his mind to drift off into the void…
To this day I say “it’s the way of the future” at meetings repeatedly and nobody gets my reference
Me too
You deserve a raise!!
The way of the future = Hoping for an Oscar
Leo won an Oscar for Revenant
@@Plisken65 I forgot about that one😂😂😂
Penny's
My god the talent that DiCaprio has blows my mind. You really see him completely unravel in this film.
Absolutely, that was what i was thinking. He's been written off for being a pretty boy but the guy can act.
maxy mofoo DoCaprio’s career shows me once again how the Oscar’s are not accurate. He deserves an oscar for almost each movie he has made, with exception of the raveant, where he got it just bc they wanted to fix such an injustice
The Abcool Because I can always tell he’s acting, I never get lost in his performance. He’s definitely a good actor, but not great. So overrated. Joaquin Phoenix is a thousand times better than him.
@@Jay23445I see your Joaquin Pheonix and raise you a Daniel Day-Lewis
@@haroonGTO I raise you with... Jake gylenhaal
As someone who has experienced intense OCD throughout my life, I can't convey how much this movie and scene resonates with me.
me too it brings me to tears all the time
Bless You
This reminds me of the behavior that Aubrey Plaza experienced when she had a stroke, apparently she just kept saying "I'm 19." over and over again, she would try to say other things, but that was all that would come out. She was 20. She also experienced other kinds of Aphasia. Not that Hughs was necessarily stroking out, but its possible he was having mini strokes, and they were exacerbating his OCD tendencies.
@@Lurklen Strokes don't make you let your fingernails grow out many inches without cutting them, nor do strokes cause one to watch a movie 150 times in a row.
@@dreamlandnightmare No, obviously. But that's not the incident I was referring to, and mini strokes can cause alterations in behavior without causing death. There was a man, a famously smart man ( I cannot remember his name, and I've tried to look up the article, which I think was Nat Geo. but can't find it), who had a unique arterial structure in his skull which meant he was getting twice as much blood flow to his brain as other people, it also meant when he started acting strangely and doctors eventually tried to investigate the cause they had a great deal of trouble identifying it (they searched for issues in the normal place, but were not aware of his physical abnormality until later). When they found out about his situation it was revealed that he had been having numerous (as in possibly hundreds) of mini strokes, likely cause by this increased blood flow and an issue with the artery.
Upon doing further research I found that Hughs' brain was seen to be quite healthy at the time of his death (at least according to the opinions of medicine in the 1970's) so it's very unlikely my hypothesis was correct, but it wasn't entirely groundless. Mini strokes can cause alterations of behavior, and can cause exacerbation of previously documented mental health issues, including wild fluctuations in temperament (something Howard was described as exhibiting multiple times and by multiple close people in his life). Long story short, repeated strokes can cause behavior reminiscent of some of Howard's symptoms.
Not that I'm saying OCD is caused by mini-strokes, or that it was exclusively the cause of his issues, I was merely raising the possibility, based on a fictional scene no less. As you are someone who has to deal with OCD symptoms, I apologize if I caused any offence, my intent was merely to point out some similarities in behavior between different cases, not to cast any judgment or make any substantive claims. I also have mental illness issues, though differing ones, and find this film has always resonated with me also.
People didn't fly to America from London during the 1930s and 40s. My grandparents said that visiting The United States was like a trip to the moon. You had to be extremely rich to cross The North Atlantic. It was Howard Hughes that revolutionized air travel.
@@tuanjim799 none of your comment is correct
@@tuanjim799 my income is below 32,000 a year and I fly frequently, I am middle class and I fly
Nowadays you dont even need to be middle class to cross the pond. In fact you can be poor and still fly, thanks to the advent of no-frills budget airlines.
@@tuanjim799 I spent 10 months traveling across the world after working for a couple years and saving my money as a 20-year-old. No help from anyone else. You either have an entry-level job or you lack ambition.
@@tuanjim799 Entry-level job - Lack of ambition - Lack of growth. It's a circle. Learn to think outside the box and play the system that plays you.
The victim mentality will get you nowhere. You live in a place where opportunity is plentiful if some effort is applied, try it.
The way John C. Reilly said, "everybody works for you Howard" comes off as the ending of a Twilight Zone episode.
Spot-on. Yeah
THE SHINING Mr. Grady and Jack in the bathroom at The Overlook.
@@HenryChinaski614 You've always been the Caretaker
YES!!! Thank you, that is EXACTLY what it reminded me of. Just couldn’t get it out, resting for years at the tip of my tongue.
Another tremendously talented actor...imho.
Am I the only one who finds bitter-sweetness in this? Howard feels trapped by his OCD, but also remembers his childhood goals and how he has achieved them all.
I see what you're saying, but he's still trapped - and he resigns himself to that fate.
I like the part where he says "the way of the future"
basically the whole video... I'm just kidding I know the disease... Leo's performance was amazing!!
Brian Russell lolllll
Brian Russell You’re not Brian Russell from Zion are you? Something tells me you are lol
Same
@@kingoziel I'm not, but this sounds like a person I'd like to hang with!
When he says "everybody works for you Howard" it sounds patronizing that triggers his mood.
I think the line is delivered deliberately like this to show the audience a glimpse of how Howard's paranoia can color normal conversation. Seeing those men with the white gloves clearly sets him off into this episode (and is also probably a nod to how he would meet his eventual end in real life). Everything is deliberate with Scorsese.
@@aladee1 i don't get that last part. Howard died unrecognizable, his body ravaged by malnutrition and neglect, but i don't get how that has to do with men in white gloves.
@@johnyoutuber9781 at the end of his life Hughes was being taken care of by a group of Mormon handlers who were all required to wear large white gloves while in his presence. Eventually a few of them conspired to keep him consistently drugged and sedated while they stole his money. He would eventually slip into a coma under their watch and die while being transported on a plane to a hospital. Needles were found broken off in his arms after his death from all the shots they were giving him. Read about it!
@@aladee1 Ah, yes. Sorry, i didn't get it. Though i never read that the "mormons" deliberately drugged him, but just that they went out of their way to satisfy his every whim, as he spiralled further and further down into insanity.
i took that line a bit sincerely, because at this point he was on top of the world
this is such an incredible scene. when the movie ended, i was in complete awe. scorsese is such a genius and leo definitely deserved the oscar
Too bad they robbed him of that oscar
@@BennettFamilyBasketballno Jamie Foxx was just better.
This film is so underrated. Deserved more.
U guys take this scene too literally. Howard had to keep his mind occupied constantly with plans and ideas to execute. The men in gloves represent reality and a void. He had achieved everything and sooner or later everyone runs out of ideas and are left to fester. Most enjoy festering some turn to alcohol. Howard strived for perfection to an extreme level.
I knew I wasn’t seeing the bigger picture! I was taking this scene too literally. I had a feeling those men were Howard’s head playing games with him. Just like the scene where he’s reviewing his film and he puts up his hands and the projector plays on his hands and you can see the planes flying on Howard’s hands just like what he probably feel the germs are doing on his body
ah... no part of OCD is paranoia i know because i had it as a child
@@indeed7289 You dont know how OCD works
@@indeed7289 That's not how it works ..
Beneath || Paranoia isn’t an essential to OCD, but it can be present. OCD is a shapeshifter; it constantly reforms itself into novel obsessions that demand novel compulsions. Paranoia can be obsessional symptom that drives one to compulsion.
The ending shows us that, though Howard Hughes won against Pan Am and had the Hercules fly, he still hasn't won it starts all over again because of his horrible OCD. The only difference is he finally sees the source.
what is the source of the ocd?
@@wesleygriffiths8496 his mother, his choldhood
@@wesleygriffiths8496 his mother
@@el-kiote Always the mother. 🙄 Typical Freudian myth.
As someone with OCD his character is just so damn accurate it’s uncanny. Mines not so much verbal like this but mostly repeating things in my mind. I wish he could have gotten better treatment back then for this disorder. I even wonder if medication would have helped had it been around. Makes me have tears just seeing this. Leonardo DiCaprio did a tremendous job in this movie.
somebody just give this man a goddamn oscar already.
+JasminLeblanc He just got it, finally.
+JasminLeblanc Well, it looks like they did!
+JasminLeblanc this wasn't his best performance
Jumbo Jango Have you even seen Ray? Jamie Foxx killed it!
Leo's best screen acting performance ever just can't describe how well he had done.
I was enjoying the movie quite a lot and then when this ending came in, I was honestly blown away by the acting and the directing. It’s something Kubrick would have been proud of and maybe Scorsese and DiCaprio’s best work. I am reminded of the final seven chords of Sibelius’s fifth symphony when I watch this.
People talking about this movie being underappreciated? It got 5 oscars and another 6 nominations...
But people don't talk about it much anymore
@@chiara8561 Exactly! The movie did well to earn the awards it did but its not really mainstream anymore and seems to be largely forgotten about.
@@truthteller9154 unfortunately
It is a very good movie with great performances by DiCaprio and Blanchett
i dont care about awards, i care about talking movies with my friends. none of them have seen this. i dont think i actually know anyone that has.
lots of movies win awards, who cares. those awards are nonsense.
@@TheDarkOne508This is one of those movies that deserves the accolades. Great performances and based on the true individual Howard Hughes who did much to advance aviation in the military and civilian sectors.
There’s something terrifying about the line “everybody works for you, Howard.”
I dont know why, but it’s chilling
It’s really unsettling, isn’t it?
At first, i thought he really said that. But i think it was the hallucination.
It’s supposed to be intentional. It’s partially what triggers his ocd episode
Brilliant scene to end the film with.
OCD is something hard to explain and even harder for other people to understand. Things have to be done a certain way and if it isn't I get so angry, and people think you should just get over it, it's nothing.
This movie made me aware that there was something wrong with me.
As someone with severe OCD since before my teens-Leo captured it. This movie destroys me, but I’m so appreciative of his accurate portrayal.
…. And Leonardo didn’t win an Oscar for this? It’s one of the best performances I’ve ever seen by anyone.
He picked a bad year. Jamie Foxx wasn’t losing after being in “Ray.”
What a tortured soul.
I mean, who wouldn't be scared of just seeing random men dressed like that walking towards you?
iron man was inspired on howard hughes...
and Elon Musk(the movie)
He just stares at the world 🎶
Shubho Rou Elon musk
Is just a simulation
So was Mr. House (Fallout: New Vegas) as well as Andrew Ryan (Bioshock).
big MAN... never forget you Howard, our world needs people as you !
Your statement about the future was sufficient, lewis.
lmao
This guy was truly inspired, the tech he helped develop became the way of the future. The way of the future...the way of the future. Shit, now I'm doing it too.
HH was a tortured genius.
Most true geniuses are.
Its the music that does it for me ...playing constantly thru the scene almost resembles life and the way it does NOT stop for us and our problems 😮
TWOTF
Every time i see this ending, i learn something new. That the way of the future is the damn way of the future
Howard Hughes was a great American innovator who overcame government cronyism pressure to issue in a whole new exciting era for American businesses and consumers.
You know it wasn't the government working against him; it was the competing companies, who happened to own the government. You are talking about crony capitalism AKA neoliberalism AKA monopoly capitalism, all of which are just the natural evolution of a market economy, capitalism.
"When I grow up, I'm gonna fly the fastest planes ever built, make the biggest movies ever, and be the richest man in the world!" The unspoken line as the young Howard and the adult Howard share a look is then "And I *DID*" Modern aviation exists because of this man. A truly perfect scene.
what kind of maniac cuts the scene before Moonlight Serenade starts playing. That really tied the scene together.
Scorsese?
As someone recently diagnosed with Bipolar 1, deeply appreciates the importance of caring friends and family. Having appropriate mental and medical attention for those with a mental illness is critical. Howard is hero and inspiration.
"Jet airplanes.. do you know things about jets?"
"You know who are those fellas?"
Such a wonderful mind and person to be destroyed by the very mind that made him so special.
That happens a lot with special minds. They're often unstable and/or not fitting in their society.
OCD really is a nightmare and way too often it doesn't get treated seriously enough by the media. It's a gimmick or plot device. The show 'Monk' had the guy with OCD being really good at his job because of it. That's completely wrong. If anything it would make him much worse at his job, because of the constant mental chatter and anxiety impeding rational thought.
Or 'As Good As It Gets', where Jack Nicholson's OCD is more of a funny quirky than anything. Although I can't totally diss that movie, because it is what gave me the courage to tell my parents about the OCD I had been suffering from for a year by that time. They otherwise could not understand why my marks had crashed and I couldn't get anything done.
Or anytime someone says "I'm so OCD". Ha ha. No, you ain't or you wouldn't be saying that.
The Aviator has one of the best depictions of just how depraved OCD is. It utterly ruined Hughes' life - all his money couldn't help him. He died about a decade before the first effective treatments and medications for OCD started appearing.
Even then, OCD often proves too strong for therapy or medication. The most promising areas of research are coming on fast now though - psychedelics, neurofeedback, direct brain stimulation. Neuroscience is one of the most rapidly developing areas in all of science, and for this 30-year OCD sufferer that does bring some relief, knowing one way or another that they will beat this thing.
Is so sad a person that had OCD....the person must struggle for ALL his life..Very Sad.
Warning: Howard.exe stopped working!!
I see lots of responses seeing this as sad. I see a man reflecting on his childhood dreams recognising he’s achieved them. He’s saying to his youthful self that he’s going to be “the way of the future”. The smile says it all for me.
it caused him a lot of pain. it made him one of the most powerful men in the world but at what cost?
Movie is ridiculously underrated
In all fairness, those 3 guys with the gloves scare me too. >.
Holy fuck, Leonardo is a god damn genius when it comes to acting!
I like the part where he says “the way of the future”.
The only way this movie could have been better is to have it exactly as it was but the only thing he says in the entire movie, “the way of the future”
The way of the future
The way of the future
The way of the future
The way of the future
Did Leo say that?
he said it 6 times in the ending but yeah he said that
What scene was that ?
Oh , remember when he said
The way to the future , the way to the future !
@@lohancindy5442 The ending
He did his research so well, even some of it rubbed off on him
Brilliant film, one of my favorites from that decade
That eye twitch at 3:04 should have won him an oscar
Sometimes the best minds are the most tormented
aviator drinking game shot every time he says the word he repeats over and over
I always thought he should have gotten an oscar for this
This was a great performance, however, I personally believe he should have received it for ‘Blood Diamond’
It's epic how Leo recalls his past self and says "the way of the... future" and realises his child sellf looking from the miror at what is now this is him in his "future" self, with an with that little smirk on the irony .
His absolutely best work
And look at the world of aviation now.
That's Luis Carruthers, the biggest doofus in the business.
😂
Haha good throwback
The actual future was predicted. Quarantine the way if the future
woah
Sadly, yes. The world is like Howard Hughes.
Brilliant movie, brilliant ending. Left you wanting more..
Damn what an artist howard is one of the best mans that ever stepped on this world he could understand me very good man respectable
The way of the future.
This looks like the worst thing you could ever experience on a mental level.
So explain to me again why he didn't get an oscar for this? Anyone??
I wish they had made one last scene that showed Howard Hughes looking the way he did in his final days, just to show how tragic this man's life was.
+Walter Stevenson i think the way they did it was perfect. you knew his life would be ruined by the way he looked into that mirror
Walter Stevenson The movie is not about that time of his life. Just the early years. You can't put everything thing into one movie
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of RUclips. He died malnourished, with needles stuck in his body from rampant drug use and with his mind on fire. I can tell you from experience I'd take being poor over the agony of mental illness. This is no life. It's hell.
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of RUclips. Shut the fuck up
Was Howard hallucinating the creepy men or could everyone see them and only Howard thought they were threatening? Either way, I like that detail of the creepy gloved men.
I love this scene x3
Way of the future!!
As an inventor plus having an autistic son, this movie resonates. Great movie 🙏🏻
"The way of the future" R.I.P Howard Hughes.....
This movie surprised me at how good it was and how big it was.
This is sad man. A brilliant man destroyed by a mental disorder.
That scene in the bathroom is really touching, but I think the graphics, you know, thats really what its all about
I suppose most people will see only Howard Hughes compulsions in this video, "the way of the future" phrase repeated desperately again and again until he said it "just right", reassures himself and calms down, i.e. his fears, his overwhelming anxiety goes away and finally feels safe again, in control (he recovers his sense of agency). But, if you take a moment, you can also see the external trigger that lead to this bizarre way of acting, perfectly captured by Martin Scorsese... When Hughes takes notice of the guys in blue suits, he starts feeling unsafe, paranoid (also before in the film he had incidents with the goverment searching his houses IIRC and a near fatal plane crash, those are heavy stressors), full of the so called intrusive thoughts, he became obsessed with the perceived danger (hypervigilance), so futhermore his anxiety (feelings of danger) goes way up, and how he copes with those emotions? Trying to be perfect (what is perfect is socially untouchable, and "safe"), in this case, repeating that phrase again and again, until the anxiety and danger feelings goes away. So his OCD is truly a dysfunctional coping mechanism. At the end, he finally feels "perfect" and in control, reinforcing this way of responding to his deep emotional turmoil/distress. What is more interesting is that in the film, after this scene ends, you can clearly see and understand why Howard feels like this: his mother emotionally manipulated him when he was a little boy in order to control him, making him feel deeply unsafe about the world. The mother, by emotionally manipulating him, made him feel guilty and ashamed for his own child's natural needs of exploration and experimentation, making him to see them as something bad and reprehensible (against his mother's wishes and emotional needs). The mother was abusive but the child needs his mother to survive so he unconsciously and instinctively blames himself for his own wants and needs and his mother's abusive and manipulative behavior, and he responded to his mother's abusive behavior trying to be perfect ("When I grow up, I'm gonna fly the fastest planes ever built, make the biggest movies ever, and be the richest man in the world."). From a child immature and narcissistic (all childs are narcissists, not in a pathological sense but naturally, mentally and emotionally undeveloped) point of view this is what it means to be perfect, also to be/feel safe. The anxiety Howard felt here was not a normal mild anxiety, but a primitive, totally overwhelming and out of control form of anxiety that got triggered by the blue suit guys and made him feel in despair, helplessness, like a scared little boy, and be being perfect he is trying to convince himself that he is a "good boy" and safe, so his mother (all this unconcious in nature of course, but we are talking about primordial and unconcious emotions and feelings as the driving force here) is not going to abandon him (the worst thing that can happen to anyone really, but specially to a child, is feeling unloved and alone, exactly what the abandonment feels like, and what the mother's abusive behavior represents, that's the danger he is actually trying to protect from: the emotional pain of rejection). This is exactly what OCD is about: trauma and shattered assumptions about the world, the other people, yourself and your ability to cope with the other two (and not and illness, if you ask me, because as in this film, one does not born with this, it develops, so it's psychosocial, not biological, that means it can be reverted psychosocially), and with it being scared to DEATH (the fear of being alone, abandoned, unloved, rejected, etc, and dying). Awesome film.
He was right, it was the way of the future.
It sounds like he's saying "the way of the future."
"everybody works for you, Howard"
Absolutely goddam right.
Verbal OCD is very painful mostly due to lost of opportunity.
Damn, what a great ending
A bittersweet sacrifice ending like The Lovely Bones style, if you seen it does the ending feel the same ?
The way of the future=To be imagine="When I grow up, I'm gonna make the biggest movies, fly the fastest planes ever built, and be the richest man in the world." But infact, the most important thing is health of mind. İmagines comes from after.
As early as this film, he would've won an oscar...
He shined light on our air travel today, jets are our way of travel.
Take a shot every time he says "the way of the future".
I figured out the ending. Those men work for Trippe, they planned on killing him out of spite due to him being able to fly the Hercules when everyone said it wouldn't work. He went nuts so they left him alone thinking maybe he may off himself in the height of his madness. However at the end when he calmly says those words "Way of the future." More calmly than his initial break down. He's spent most of his life trying to fight his madness with minimum to no success. Here at that last moment, rather than fight it again, he realized the madness was the price of his genius, so rather than try to fight it yet again, he decided to accept it, embrace it.
Shanethefilmmaker so wrong lmao
mdhcccc took someone two years to find out how wrong this guys comment was I guess haha
@@dandosapershing6103 lol
@@mdhcccc lol people are still here thats great
That's how I see it, he's basically riding the madness instead of letting it ride him.
the part where his child self is looking at him is peak cinema.
Imagine where we'd be today if Howard Hughes had a clean bill of health all his life and no one persecuted Alan Turing.... we'd be living on the moon drinking space whiskey dammit!
We get glimpses into what drove Hughs into madness with the memory scenes of his mother and childhood. She is overprotective and also paranoid. The question we don’t know the answer to is was Howard’s insanity drilled into him by his crazy mother or is it a genetic defect he inherited in his genes? Most likely some of both. Like all of Scorsese’s movies they are about a man who’s having an existential crisis. Howard Hughes’ crisis lasted his entire life. Very sad.
He wasn't suffering from "existential" crisis, he was suffering from ocd and ocd obsessions shape themselves based on what you fear. Howard had trauma when it came to illness because of his overprotective mother, hence why his ocd obsessions took this form.
The way to end...
When Elon Musk will go this crazy?
Hopefully never. Really need him to make Space Flight a reality first.
In about 35 hours and 7 minutes
This scene alone should have guaranteed Leo an Oscar for playing Hughes.
Moonlight Serenade always hits different after seeing this film.
man as actor i feel like that would be such a hard scene to pull off
I think this movie underperforms, because americans today, can't really comprehend someone so comprehensively dynamic and innovative and dominating as howard hughes was. His bio almost reads like a greek demigod.
I've always felt that Howard was (despite his wealth and fame) very lonely in his life because of his OCD problems. I felt lonely once, so I know how it feels. 😔😔😔😔
OCD
Symptoms Feel the need to check things repeatedly, perform certain routines repeatedly, have certain thoughts repeatedly[1]
Complications Tics, anxiety disorder, suicide[2][3]
Risk factors Genetics, Biology, Temperament, Childhood Trauma[1]
Before bed I always check my doors are locked and the water faucets are not running. About 10 mins in bed my brain starts to doubt I did these things so I get up and check again. It's mild ocd but ocd nonetheless. It's all i know
His mother tells him he's not safe during Cholera plague. He responds saying he'll fly the fastest planes, make the biggest movies and be the richest man - as a comfort of fearing the plague.
And he indeed flies the fastest planes, makes the biggest movies and becomes one of the richest men in the world. But even after doing all of those he still fears plagues. He still has OCD
You do not know de wei of de future
He got robbed he should have got a Oscar for this.
HE FINALLY SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE!!! WELL PLAYED MR. HUGHES
So who are the men who walks towards him???? Someone plz answer thank u