It's true that much of this was plagiarized, finding this out caused me to read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race" by Ligotti. It sounds like an exaggeration, but that book really fucked with me and put me in a weird head space for close to two months. I'd advise not to read it if you're mentally ill or suffering from depression, it has some compelling ideas about the futility of purpose in human endeavor, and the ways we ignore this in our day to day life. Brilliant book.
Generally, this much introspection can disable a person from his normal functions. Life requires being numb to the truth to operate. Being this sober about life is debilitating.
Absolutely even entertaining these thoughts can deliver an instant dose of nihilistic/existential depression. Everyone around you is living a lie, the society you inhabit is a lie, religion is a lie. There is nothing.
He's a great actor. In the top 10 of greatest modern actors I'd say. Daniel Day Lewis is # 1, followed by Gary Oldman and a few others I can't bother to think of right now.
@@user-ei3qr9un9x it's telling a female friend that she is fat and that she has to get her ass on working out. Not out of malicious purposes, but on the contrary - because you do care. Where fake friends will go with "you are beautiful as you are, darling" bullshit for variety of reasons - from not giving a shit about anyone, to have someone uglier around which will make them look even better.
T. Va. Because it’s uncomfortable for people to be real, there’s a line between being a good friend and being an ass but I believe as long as it’s done in private and not done in a way to embarrass them then it’s ok
@@markjohn9309 you can be an ass and a good friend. Actions speak better than words. It's just today you have to fucking read half a vocabulary for all the variety of meanings of each word you are utilizing in formulating your speech to not, god forbid someone's twisted self-absorption masqueraded as sensitivity. Lies are sweet, honesty tastes bitter. That's beside that it was just a blunt example which was not meant being taking at a face value, but more like - pointing a direction. Which is IRONICALLY reinforces my point. And considering all of the above. How do you even tell someone who has weight problems that they have to do something about it without offending them? I tell you how - you fucking can't. It WILL HURT. It's like if tomorrow everyone will be unable to tell anything but truth (Liar, Liar), then - the next day will be a post-apocalypse. Not because honesty is bad, but because everything is so twisted and rotten.
Personal opinions aside, I think It's really great that a mainstream tv-show is presenting us with this kind of thought-process. Would never have happened just 10 years ago.
***** Twin Peaks is another question entirely. Hardly anything like this show. This show is deeply human. Lynch has never made anything this human in his career, he's concerned with other things and concepts. D.R.
I understand his view and vision but that doesnt mean im just gonna sit around doing nothing because of poinlessness. My life my have no meaning and it maybe just a cycle but it is a thing that exist. So being depressed npt indulging it doesnt benefit me even if it doesnt matter in the end
Wait till you realize anything can be rationalized, not only any of his pessimistic and narcissistic views. Then the responsibility of what is transcendently, self-consistently BETTER to rationalize, falls onto you to determine.
When Cohle says about how you think moving to a new city and thinking you'll meet all these incredible people and be fulfilled resonates so much. I find myself thinking that sometimes, sell myself a story that must be true. God damn, the writing in the first series is just breathtaking
I found myself in this two times. I moved out from a small town in my country to a big city, then l left to foreign country. I also spent plenty of time travelling. Clouded glasses fall down and you start seeing that people pretty much live the same everywhere in a planet (ofc cultural differences, incomes people get.. different). Ppl try to thrive, feed their families, survive.
I believe that this has been Matthew's best performance to date. I'm glad he decided to stop the romcoms temporarily, because he is a remarkable actor.
@TheGooners11 The truth isn't necessarily depressin, it depends on your percpective. Some might find it funny in an ironic way, or some might find it beautiful
I relate to this. Wanting to be dead, but not wanting to die. Suicide is hardwired into us to be avoided. He understands this and doesn't think less of himself for it.
Never mind Heisenberg, Rusty Cole is one of the best and most Interesting characters in modern TV history. Saying the things that we all think at some point in life, but never say.
@Magnolia Trees in the Meadow at some point it’s undeniable that we have had at least one of those thoughts in our head , although there is at least one breed of people I no who just won’t give up there hope and peace bullshit
@magnolia you mean the people that use their brain for something else than daily routines and work (most people evem dont know why they do the work they rly do anyway...)
McConaughey said himself in his book: I didnt watch it before anyone else. i watched this every sunday night on cable and for me it was the best thing ever created on television Dude really went deep for this role
What's alarming is this character is the first man I've encountered in my life with the exact same philosophy and reason as me. Truly. Not some false proclamation, not any false impositions - just perfect observation of reality. Am I really so dead inside that the only person like me is some TV show character?
@@TTKDMS Much of his dialogue is based on the writings of Peter Zapffe and Thomas Ligotti, you may find some of yourself in them, but be aware, Zapffe leaves little to no hope and Ligotti is much the same, antinatalists I'd say.
This is why intelligent people have higher rates of depression. It's so easy to become depressed and cynical if you just analyse life from a cold rational standpoint continuously. Because there's no true answer that you can come to that explains everything and it all begins to look cyclic and dark. I think to some extent you have to disable your rational brain and simply acknowledge you can't unravel it all when attempting to consider cosmic mysteries like spacetime and human nature from a philosophical standpoint. Like Rust himself says, the fact humans can contemplate their own existence is kind of their major design flaw as well as their major strength. I think when he says that he's acknowledging that he realises his own constant contemplation is what makes him so downhearted, but at the same time he's realising that his level of intellect means he can't merely ignore ruminating on life until he's depressed. It's a flat circle.
@Ed M. I hadnt thought about how disturbing this was a literature device for his character. My interpretation was that his world view was just over intellectual bullshit but yes, everything he believes is designed to cope with how extraordinarily awful he thinks the world is.
@@firstnamett4656 Which is why they are called IDEAologies, not humanologies. As soon as the second live human is put in any equasion our atypical nature flaws the original process. It probably is perfect for at least one of us.
I am worried that it didn't change anything in my case. My girlfriend told me Rust reminds her of me. 🤷♂️ I felt like almost everything he said came from my brain.. Spooky.
Absolutely. Cynicism is nothing but a coping mechanism. It is essentially one's psychological "armor" to insulate them from the harsh realities of life that they used to think they could change. It is the result of being disappointed with life.
True Detective season one is the best single season of television ever created, in my opinion. The acting, cast, and scrpit all perfectly crafted. The cinematography, too. Pure genius through and through. Rust is one of my favorite characters ever written. No show ever made me think so deeply about the human condition and life.
Copying my comment from a different video.... If you can get through my rants... I did share some things I learned.. JUST heard/found out that Matthew McConaughey said he could only full immerse himself into this role because of his faith... I believe he said it protected him... I can TOTALLY respect that! I am NOT defending a lot of bs ones like that one or a lot of the shit ones that prey on people suffering...Anyway...The heartbreaking thing about Rust at least at the beginning of his arch is that all the stuff he says IS ABSOLUTELY logical and VERY easy to succumb to... It is the last line that gives me chills though... I wish i knew it verbatim but, the light/hope however dim exists.... What a BEAUTIFULLY written show!!! HOW they fucked it up until presumably this current season 🤞!!!! I will never know! I also on rewatch am REALLY appaulled by what Maggie does!!! I GET IT.... But, she should have gone with the random guy or hell just left.... But, she absolutely devastated Rust (Fuck Marty in that reguard! He is also a complex character... If it werent for his heart and fierce love/protection of children... It would have been hard to love him.. Also DAMN did he have to cheat with like 19/20 year old chicks? It was gross! The second chick LOOKED BARELY 17!!! I AM NOT callng him ANYTHING AWFUL BTW! just wish if he cheated they would have been a touch older... But, maybe when you turn 30 all girls start looking even younger? I dont know.. no cause peope have always thought I was a lot younger... Like when I was 20 people truly thought i was a teenager... Probably because people think 40 year olds look like 50/60 year olds.... I know a few women in their 40s I SWEAR look twenty!! Sorry super weird/stupid rant over! )..ANYWAY the hookup with Maggie.... I think that was real for him! I think he had real feelings for her... Imagine having passionate sex with someone to be told IMMEDIATELY it meant NOTHING and it was JUST to hurt Marty!?!! BROKE MY HEART!!! I was cheated on HORRIBLY like the cruelest way possible and STILL I really felt for Maggie till she did that!!! The fuck!?! I supported her all the way! I could even get he sleeping with Rust (I mean COME ON... I would in a heartbeat..IF he wasnt married oh and the fact it would NEVER HAPPEN!.... Just saying Micelle Mo... Im gonna butcher her name! Is very talented and for sure has worked with some of the all time greats! Talented, Lucky, beautiful lady! ANYWAY IT SUCKS that we could have probably had like 6 years of a GREAT GREAT SHOW! Up there with Breaking Bad, Sopranos, GOT (Minus the last season... well really when they ran out of source material ... But, nope one INCREDIBLE season to absolute trash! Season three had potential but, it just didnt feel like TD... There was something magical about season 1... I truly hope season 4 can be the season 2 we deserved..... There arent very any GREAT shows anymore aside from Yellowjackets... Please if anyone knows any other good ones! Btw you know Marty's daughters? One is the blond fro The Boys the other is the "Look at the flowers" psycho from Walking dead.. just thought that was a cool bit of trivia i just stumbled across watching it again on Prime...
@@dreznoryorkekeenanbuckley2226 The last line was, "You're thinking about it all wrong the light and the dark. First it was only darkness. Seems to me the light is winning."
Oh man elliot alderson tyler durden rust cohle three characters I absolutely love. Rick from Rick and morty is similar too.. But expecting something else.. Can u suggest?
One of THE absolute greatest acting performances of all time. This character would have gotten boring if not for Matthew's spectacular performance, subtlety, complexity and depth as an actor. The way he talks, moves, everything is so well delivered without over doing it that I believe every single word he says. He captivates and captures the inner turmoil and nihilism so perfectly, he feels it, believes in it and then says shit. It's to the point that I can never ever imagine anyone else in this role EVER. The delivery with that pitch perfect incredible voice with such charisma, depth and inflictions is just honestly commendable. The fact that we still long for more seasons with these guys also proved how often less is more. Just 8 episodes of collective 8 hours approximately. I take it as a movie or mini series. Like one of the greatest movies of all time!!!
"The pessimist who's trying to save the world." Rust Cohle is one of the greatest characters ever written and depicted on television. I just love the fact that during the show it's the case that is giving him his lifeline to still want to live in the world that has endured him the worst pain imaginable to a person. Rust and Marty characterization juxtaposes the two main lines to ones self with Rust being the soul and Marty being the heart. Nic Pizzolatto and Cary Joji Fukunaga struck gold when they produced this amazing television series.
Season 2 wasn't that bad. Try to not have such high standards for this show just because Season 1 was amazing. Both seasons accomplished the tones they wanted and they're each their own thing as a standalone anthology series. There was things that I would of wanted to change for season 2 but it's still better television than most stuff the networks show.
And all your life, and All your hate All your memory All your pain It was all the same dream A dream that you had Inside a locked room That dream about being A person
Honestly, I get a certain peace when I listen to Rust, because it resonates within me of lessons I've learned the hard way in life. Shit is not pretty; it's actually very fucked-up, but there is a certain lonesome "peace" to that, in the sense that you've finally figured out this world and your own solitude is what you truly can rely on. It's a hard peace, but strangely a comforting one: no need to believe in the world anymore, no need to hope, just go on with your hard wisdom enjoying a cup of tea, the stars at night and a bubbling stream nearby.
There is freedom in knowing you die alone. Every relationship, even the one with yourself, ends. There is no pressure to cling to love, because in the end you leave without it. The existence humans have was never supposed to be this. We are a tragedy.
@@randyrogers1853 you realize one can in fact be Catholic and not be a neocon. Hell to be Christian one swallows multiple blackpille in addition to white pills. You underestimate the depth of faith because you think Nietzsche is edgier. If one assumes God then Nietzsche is a misguided tragic fool, if one assumes no God, a tragic prophet. However I have seen enough that I cannot deny Christ.
@@ep_med7822 I actually don't like Nietzsche, nice try with the labelling though. Please highlight the sentence where I claimed that all neocons are Christian, and that all Christian's are neocons. In fact, please show me where I even specified "Christian."
The creepiest part of his description is when he very vaguely glosses over the idea of sentient beings living outside time observing us. "But to *them*...it's a circle". Who is them? Who is he referring to? How did he come about that idea? Scary stuff
when he says it hes straighten out the can ppl he cut out like he was giving reference point . like they where 2d but where in 3d i guess? @@1headphoneguy
Considering that they were both in production at the same time and were both released in the same year, it’s not unlikely that they had some mutual influence.
"Time is a flat circle. We'll do this again." "In this universe we process time linearly - forward; but outside of our space time from what would be a fourth dimensional perspective time wouldn't exist. And from that vantage could we attain it? We see our space time would look flattened. Like a single sculpture of matter in super-position of every place it ever occupied. Our sentience is just cycling through our lives like carts on a track. See we all got what I call a life trap. This gene-deep certainty that everything will be different. You'll move to another city & meet the people who will be friends the rest of your lives. You'll fall in love & be fulfilled. Fuckin fulfillment & closure. 2 empty jars to hold this shitstorm. Nothing is ever fulfilled until the very end. Nothing is ever over. See everything outside our dimension: that's eternity. Eternity looking down on us. Now to us its a sphere but to them its a circle. In eternity, where there is no time, nothing can grow. Nothing can become. Nothing changes. So death created time to grow the things that it would kill... and you are reborn but into the same life that you've always been born into. I tell myself I bear witness but the real answer is I lack the constitution for suicide. I mean, how many times have we had this conversation, detectives? Well, who knows? When you can't remember your lives, you can't change your lives, and that is the terrible and the secret fate of all life. You're trapped... like a nightmare you keep waking up into. This is what I'm talking about. This is what I mean when I'm talkin' about time, and death, and futility. All right, there are broader ideas at work, mainly what is owed between us as a society for our mutual illusions. Fourteen straight hours of staring at DB's, these are the things ya think of. You ever done that? You look in their eyes, even in a picture, doesn't matter if they're dead or alive, you can still read 'em. You know what you see? They welcomed it... Not at first, but... right there in the last instant. It's an unmistakable relief. See, cause they were afraid, and now they saw for the very first time how easy it was to just... let go. Yeah, they saw, in that last nanosecond, they saw... what they were. You, yourself, this whole big drama, it was never more than a jerry-rig of presumption and dumb will, and you could just let go. To finally know that you didn't have to hold on so tight. To realize that all your life - you know, all your love, all your hate, all your memories, all your pain - it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream, a dream that you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there's a monster at the end of it. The ontological fallacy of expecting a light at the end of the tunnel, well, that's what the preacher sells, same as a shrink. See, the preacher, he encourages your capacity for illusion. Then he tells you it's a fucking virtue. Always a buck to be had doing that, and it's such a desperate sense of entitlement, isn't it? I have seen the finale of thousands of lives, man. Young, old, each one so sure of their realness. You know that their sensory experience constituted a unique individual with purpose and meaning. So certain that they were more than biological puppet. The truth wills out, and everybody sees. Once the strings are cut, all fall down. These still bodies, so certain they were more than the sum of their urges. All the useless spinning, tired minds, collision, ignorance...this is a universe where nothing is solved. Everything we do we're going to do again.I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal. "
Except that In the vantage point of outer dimension higher than ours. It wont look like a flattened circle, it would still be the same 3d sphere and would not become flat. Its just the vantage point constitutes more piece added to the sphere. (3D space plus an extra) its pretty much explained in the concept of tesseract. For example a creature or a being living in a 2D world would only recognize length and width (flat circle concept) and thus an object, like a ball within a 3d (length, width' + height) that is bumped would only be perceived by the 2d creature like a flat shadow circle that is expanding and shrinking. To the 3d observer the 2d structure (length and width) are still there its just that it can perceive the ball at its 3d totality as well. Length and Width still exist but with added extra piece which was height..
@@niallquinn2759 I say no. It's not that I hate happiness, it's just that there is little to be happy about. When happiness abounds in my presence, I enjoy every bit of it until I sink myself again into the abyss of negativity. I'm fine with it because I believe having an occasional dose of positivity helps me appreciate those brief times and also acknowledge the purpose of negativity.
As a Buddhist having watched True Detective, it really puts a perspective on the tendency towards optimism of humans for. Humans are neither good nor evil, we just are. The pessimist is really just a former optimist who realized at some point that optimism is ridiculous. But when you dig deeper, you see how ridiculous pessimism is as well.
When you see certain Hindu Swami's, men and women who have been born in poverty, who've known nothing else. It's easier to let go of everything, to submit yourself and only yourself, not your wants or likes or dislikes. No, all of that is rejected. All you are is this machine for your intellect. This thinking thing born into a physical world. None of us could do it. Even if we gave it our 100%. We're too addicted to everything. Too attached to machine, and blood, and love. From our perspective, living like a Swami is insane. But from their perspective, there is no other way to be eternally blissful.
Microfrog Yes i agree. After years of social and systematic abuse, i really started to gravitate towards s pessimistic view of life but then i realized how arrogant, apathetic, and dangerous that point of view could be and it didn't resonate with the spiritual truth deep within my moral compass. Now, i just choose to bee neutral.
"All your life, all your memories all your love all your hate, it was all the same thing. it was all the same dream. a dream that you had inside a locked room, a dream of being.. A person"
He judges negatively there. Death is actually the only true friend we have. It will never lie to u. Contemplation of death(not in a morbid or self pitying sense) actually gives life true perspective. It prioritizes everything. Whenever perplexed about life, big decisions and choices etc-ask in the light of death. It will never steer u wrong.
EatOrLumby Rust is damaged and hypocritical. He is a beautiful character that can't be taken at face value. He is conflicted and has placed himself in his own personal hell. His actions conflict with his words. That is what is so amazing about True Detective, he is such a rich character. Rust isn't supposed to be looked up to or believed in. If you think Rust is cool and awesome you are missing the point of the show and probably aren't old enough to be watching it. Rust represents a broken man who has given up on himself, but cannot give up on his duty.
CptCanada Until the very last moment, that is. It is in the face of his own undoing, the true fulfillment of that duty that would, really, signify his sacrifice, that he realizes what life is, and the crack in his philosophy finally unravels it completely. That last scene, for me, sums up his character and elevates him rightfully to the status of hero. D.R.
The darker your perspective is; the more likely it's tied to a deep yearning for happiness and prosperity that was shattered by a series of deep trauma.
@@dg-qn5mi True. Also, smoking a blunt isnt going to magically instill you with philosophical concepts like these, much less enhance your ability to articulate them. Dont care if I sound like a buzz kill or if it was 'just a joke bruh', stoner philosophy is *the* worst.
"Don't ever mow my lawn, alright? I LIKE mowing MY lawn." Thinking back to that one, Rust introduced order while simultaneously denying Marty the catharsis of having control. He introduced chaos. On the surface level he disrespected Marty, but in reality he was just cutting overgrown grass that anyone could have cut, even a hired hand. The ridiculousness of such a chore, a routine a man retains as a part of maintaining the illusion of modern, suburban living. On the flip side of the flat-circle, Mowing a lawn is one of the few things a man has control over, after a long week. He can come home and fail all his other house chores, up to and including pleasing his own wife, both sexually and emotionally, but that lawn gets mowed. It satifies him, it sustains him, like being able to hold a job and pay the bills. Is that really living, however, truly living?
My take: that moment was meant to tell us about Hart, not Cohle. I think the lawn mowing was innocuous. Just a decent act by Cohle. Marty lashes out because the lawn -- when mowed by another man's hand -- serves as a stark reminder that he is basically an absent husband, homemaker, and (to some extent) father. This is a topic of great self-loathing for Marty, and he usually does his best to delude himself, as the truth is very painful.
I think the lawn scene itself was more about Marty himself, rather than a big picture idea. Mowing the lawn was something that Marty did to make himself feel better about the way he lived his life. It was a contribution to the family. Marty is self-absorbed and his image of himself is deluded from reality, because he refuses to face who he actually is (the juxtaposition being Rust, who knows exactly who he is). To Marty, Rust mowing his lawn and sharing tea with his wife was an emasculation of sorts. Deep down in places he refuses to explore, Marty knows he doesn’t do right by his family. But it’s his family, he’s got the state detective badge, they should be proud, right? Rust is introducing ideas to Maggie that debilitate from the “perfect” balance of family and debauchery he has built for himself. He’s threatened by the notion of Maggie recognizing Rust as a superior man to him. It’s a point of deep insecurity because at his core he knows it’s true. And he knows Maggie is enjoying time with Rust, as opposed to him. Rather than acknowledging why Maggie might be enjoying Rust’s presence and favors, he works harder to keep his “perfect balance”, rather than actually fix the issue itself that requires that balance. It’s a metaphor to show deeply insecure Marty truly is.
You are all correct. The show is about masculinity, patriarchy, evangelical Christianity, pessimism, optimism, and a whole buncha other shit. It’s not one thing. If anything Marty is stopped by his own frailty and trapped in his performance of traditional masculinity. He’s a bad man who believes he’s good. Rust is a good man who believes all men are evil.
This entire school of throughly is based on a book by Ligotti “The Conspiracy Against The Human Race”. The writer and producer of True Detective admits this is his main source. That book is based off of another named “Haunted Universe”, in which Ligotti helped with the newer editions. Please don’t read unless you want to be perpetually depressed to exhaustion
Perpetually would not be possible. And pessimism isn't about being depressed, it's more of a cynical and critical lense to view life. When most are running behind valueless things, a pessimist would first consider if it's worth it. Combine it with existentialism and stoicism makes for a hardened soul.
People piss all over Season 2 of True Detective and it's just not fair. It was decent in its own right, but there was NO following McConaughey and Harrelson. This story would never have an equal.
Not only that, but Nic had way more time to conceptualize and write season 1, whereas he barely had any time at all to write season 2, he's even stated that it's not something he's happy with, and HBO agreed to give him more time to write the show.
I agree that nothing could have lived up to the first season, but Season 2 was bad on its own terms, not just in comparison to season 1. You can't be too hard on the writer because they gave him so little time to knock out season 2, but the thing really felt like a first draft.
Really? I think Season to was its own artistic expression, it is objectively different and that's what should be appreciated about it. If you can't appreciate both I don't know that you have allowed yourself to truly appreciate the storytelling of Nic Pizzolatto. Rust is the true artistic expressionist in season 1, without him and his character there is no story. Season two was a culmination of so many intertwining necessary characters and that was one of the best aspects, directly contrasting season 1. like cmon. ??
Rust Cohle is definitely the most intelligent, interesting, thoughtful character in a TV series I have ever seen. The dialogue just blew me away. Perfectly played by MM. 10 out of 10.
Not really, it is just a pop culture repeat of Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. These things had been said 200- 300 years ago. Nothing new. Good characther and portrayal, of course. That's an another subject.
@@Dale_BlackburnI get where you’re coming from, but part of what I love about Rust is what these philosophical monologues say about his character. It makes him (Imo) that much more human and empathetic because it creates a conflict between his pessimistic and hopeless view of the world and his desperate attempts to make the world a better place. The way his monologues deepen and flesh out his character by communicating just how much he’s been through and how many unspeakably horrific things he’s seen (And, of course, his interplay with Marty) is what, imo, makes the character so special.
not sure I agree with Mr. Blackburn... Nietzsche never made me actually feel it, smell it, taste it the way Rust Cole did. Maybe the difference between reading music and hearing what it sounds like...? That it reached so many people, touched so many people, who would never read Nietzsche or understand it if they did, well, I think it special despite being derivative. The writing boils it down, intensifies it, and the performance stays true to the spirit of it all. Magnificently dark yet never really hopeless.
My philosophy professor is pretty much that guy, just yells a lot more. I'd give anything for another course with him after this final year. His way of bringing shit up and then sticking to it and pulling a topic from it is a hard thing to do for just any normal person.
I'm not a religious person, but there's something to the Bible's depiction of original sin: Eating fruit from the tree of knowledge. The way I see it, God was saying "Listen man, trust me. You don't wanna know."
@@8888-x4t I love JP but I didn't know he said this. TBH I've been saying this for many years, but surely he had the idea before me. I was raised atheist, to put it mildly. More like "anti-theist." But I wanted to understand why religious ideas and philosophies are still so popular, so meaningful to people, and honestly, so effective at helping people cope with the inherent meaninglessness of life. So I really pondered the messages and found a lot of wisdom there, starting with that one. It kind of lines up with the (heavily paraphrased) zen idea: If you want to be fulfilled, empty yourself.
Why do you feel like your life needs to have an objective meaning.. for it to have a meaning? Of course nothing matters. The universe is going to end at some point, and the sum of our lives will have meant nothing (unless we go reversing entropy, then we're the most important things in the goddamn universe) but that doesn't mean life means nothing. Meaning is a process, a journey. The destination is irrelevant.
***** Who said anything about objective meaning? I'd say the bottom line is that sentience isn't especially good. I'd argue that it's hard to logically defend bringing a sentient being into the world, given what we know of the world. It's not that there's not any purpose, per se, but that there's no real point, and additionally, there's no guarantee that the being's existence won't be mostly miserable. Even misery is relative, of course, but then, there you go.
Matt in the Crown Sentience is the ONLY good. Misery comes from an inability to fulfill your desire for meaning in your life, so this whole issue is about meaning. And I say that life has meaning, even if it will have meant nothing.
"And that is the terrible and secret fate of all life. You're trapped, in a nightmare you keep waking up into" So many good quotes in this show but that is one of my favorites
+Marcus Gorvin it's a bit "messed up" to have the realization that our very species- and you as an entity- are these weird ass, highly-advanced animals that endure a life of higher consciousness, introspection, and complete acknowledgement of our existence, but without any defined reason as to *why* we exist or what on Earth we're doing here. in reference to rust's statement that human consciousness was something of a misstep in evolution, this essentially means that the imprisoning force of consciousness that has been thrust upon the human condition appears, in many ways, to have been an unfortunate and unfavorable mutation, or even mistake, in the natural process of evolution (this statement technically presupposes two unsound implications: 1) that evolution is guided by some intelligent force, and 2) that evolution is some kind of benevolent force that is meant to actually benefit the organisms/life forms that it affects [and no, intergenerational adaptations and whatnot do not necessarily count as benefits because these merely function to continue to chain of evolution, not to actually improve the conscious experiences of said organisms/life forms]). anyway, i already went more into this than i intended to, but the point is: *it is a bit "messed up" to understand the predicament that humans find ourselves in. it doesn't have to be some horrifying, suicide-inducing "messed up," but it can certainly be said that our existence is a bit weird nonetheless.*
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. Nic Pizzolato directly cited the author of said book as an inspiration for this show, and here it shows. I would bet anything Nic read that specific book, and directly used concepts within it to write these segments.
+Honest Op That's the thing, there is no point to anything; we give meaning to live on through delusions we hold in our heads in order to feel a sense of purpose and identity, whether it be through ambitions, religion etc. whereas from a pessimist point of view, we are biologically designed to die. It actually makes suicide seem more natural if you think about it lol Futility at its finest "it's all just one big ghetto man"
+Honest Op but then again, looking at life from an objective standpoint, I would say the only real tangible thing is family; which makes sense as it fits the role of reproduction that we as humans are biologically designed to do.
The true problem with pessimism is that it's actually hyper-realism. It precedes realism so much that it's a problem because people that don't prescribe to pessimism is in fact out of touch with reality.
But we could see it as: why is the truth making us pessimist? Or hyper realistic, handmark of our time Or how would you be so pretentious to believe you are realistic when reality is infinit point of view, but oops i did it again...
+Chris Marku the second you realize the shit you are up to your ears is yours...is the second you start cleaning your mess. life sucks but at least is yours to suck it.
I feel that, pain in my heart while watching this. The same one that drew me into this series in season 1. I’d never felt such a connection with a person as I had with Russ. His truths are raw, agonizing and beautiful.
+Kotazo85 If a show influences you to do things that are bad for your health maybe you should stop watching. Not judging though do whatever the fuck you like. Just a bit of friendly advice.
@@BloodNAshez Sorry bro. Must be the wrong crowd. Back when I was able to partake I had friends that would just make playful jabs at one another and laugh.
this is why i struggle with suicide everyday..not because im depressed but as a person im meaningless..just memories bones and blood waiting to die going through life being pulled apart by the questions of my realities
I feel you. This may sound trite, but when I get stuck I just get out into the woods, a park, whatever, and stare at a tree. A tree has no will but to reach higher and higher for the light, it's beautiful and infinitely complex, made up of stardust from ancient supernovas, it wiggles, bends and sways with the wind but yet stands rigid against it. It doesn't need meaning or purpose or any of that crap. But it belongs here, because it is here. When the emptiness gets overwhelming I do this, I imagine myself a tree, and it helps.
@@baTonkaTruck They just cut all the trees down at our local park. No matter how far you reach to the sky, it can all end in an instant. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't reach. We should just accept the inevitability that one day, we will be cut down.
This is me as well. Suicidal not because of depression, but because of my philosophical views on life. I'll be frank, I aim to kill myself on my own terms in the future, rather than live on because "long life is good". No. Once I begin getting old, that'll be it tbh. That being said, regardless of how meaningless everything is, there are some things I wish to achieve and experience before then. Nowadays I try live in the moment, and aim to enjoy life whenever I can, regardless of my extremely nihilistic outlook. That's really the only reason I stay alive tbh. I get a job because it's fulfilling, and I get money which I can enjoy. I do fun activities to have fun. I do errands because at least in the long run, it means I enjoy life more. All this shit about continuously improving and building...just reminds me of Clash of Clans. Fun at first, until you realise how pointless and futile it all is. Kinda just realised I should just enjoy the moment and shit
Us humans like to think of ourselves as special. Autonomous and all. But...I don't think we really are that special. We think we are in control, but I think we're just slaves to our own urges. That being said, imo we may as well live as if we are in control, instead of just lying in bed all day. We still feel and experience things. May as well try enjoy life before we pass and all
S McC Look into Killer Joe. Or hell even a Time to Kill way back when. The dude has always been a great actor he just had to slum it for a few years first.
Matthew Mendiola Dam right. A time to kill was his breakout and he as supposed to be the next Paul Newman, etc. Then he took shitty roles, made some moeny, and and thankfully got back to serious acting. Dudes always been one of the best. Just wasn't taking it seriously for a minute. Now he's legit serious. Over the top serious. Lol. But it's good for us because his acting is unreal
I rewatched this series while i was depressed as f**k. I can honestly say True Detective saved my life. To see a character so destroyed and so collapsed in life like Cole been able to say "the light is winning". Really gave me hope to believe in the future again. God bless the people who make this possible.
but what's bad about being a realist pessimist? I find more comfort living like that then to have expectations of good things happening and then be disappointed when it doesn't.
The screenwriting here is fucking spectacular, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as meaningful if it wasn't for McConaughey's exceptional acting. He speaks with such conviction and firmness that you can't help but see him as a highly intelligent but deeply wounded man. What an astounding character. Matthew is a marvelous actor. Despite the fact that I am a practicing Catholic who doesn't agree with most of what Rust Cohle says or believes, I am not prohibited from admiring the writing and delivery. This is what you call good drama!
I enjoy the true detective fandom. The dialogue is too clever for there being a bunch of fan girls like there are on Sherlock. People who watch it genuinely appreciate the meanings of the monologues, because they actually take a bit of effort to decipher
Josh Reidy Sherlock has a bunch of bullshit ways that he finds stuff out. The book Sherlock didn’t have some sort of investigative super power- he was simply a well learned and observant man. But the Sherlock in the show, he gets clues off camera that we could never even guess, for instance the “homeless network”
I’ve always thought this way even age a young age.. I’m 35 now an I rarely talk like this to people because it takes them out of their comfort zone.. the reality pill is just simply to big for one to swallow..
I usually get into this conversation with those close to me. People who I just meet, I only give them small doses and see if they will get into it. Unlike the character in this show, I do believe in an afterlife and creator.
@@nuckymancini7013 you should try speaking in any actual language. Whatever you're doing here is nonsensical and makes you look like a preteen trying to make it on Instagram.
When Rust says that humans had become unnaturally over-aware. I paused the show and was like "Whoa ! ... whoa." I was shocked to hear something I've thought for so long spoken out loud and so succinctly. Prehistorically, our brains became bigger and bigger until the ability to reflect on the past and speculate into the future gave rise to language and technology (recording tools / methods that will work for next time). But this scope of worrying about the future and dwelling on the past gives rise to 'person-hood' self-absorption, status anxiety etc. So society has to build a mythological narrative explaining who we are, how we got here, where we are going, and what it is all for.... in other words, religion. So like Rust says, society is fragile sham jerry-rigged to perpetuate the stories we tell ourselves, always holding out fulfillment and closure in various forms. Have a nice day.
Damn! Our evolution fucked us. I guess this is the peak of human development because it seems that we're in a nice downward spiral. It's all vomit from here on out kids... It was fun while it lasted. Lol 😂
Now this video makes more sense. ruclips.net/video/JrBdYmStZJ4/видео.html It seems that the masses do act like a homicidal virus destroying everything and itself.
***** Everyone should just enjoy their life and stop all the pointless conflict, which would be smart and efficient, but I can see nothing at all to be grateful about.
***** It's pointless to argue the greatness of existence, and even more so by citing the feelings of imaginary people. People have to make life great for themselves instead of equating greatness with life, or there's no point to anything.
Been working my way through True Detective over the last few days and finally got round to the final episode this evening. Everything about this show radiated sheer class. The acting, the direction, the screenplay, the scenery. The scenes where Rust Cohle expounds his bleak, nihilistic philosophy through a cloud of tobacco smoke were intense, hypnotic, mesmerizing... Until the last half of the last episode when the spell is rudely broken. It's like watching a version of Apocalypse Now in which at the end Marlon Brando jumps out of a pink wedding cake wearing a red clown nose singing "Always look on the bright side of life." The horror, the horror... I really wish I had just watched the first seven episodes only. Thumbs up if you agree. Or thumbs down. Makes no difference...
There might be some truth in Rust's new found perspective, but it was so rushed in the context of the finale. No fucking explanation, "Oh I've seen the light!" End.
the ending couldve been worse, considering how rushed the show was. At least this way, they left it with a cliffhanger ending like 'oh my i was wrong...but maybe im not idk'. And that little bit before the black out where cohle says 'in the beginning there was only dark, ya ask me the light is winning' i thought that was a nice little cliche ending (ya know most people like hopeful endings bla bla). overall, first tv show to compel me to give it a 10/10 rating.
i just hope 2nd season with the new cast (expecting big things from colin farell and vince vaughn) will be able to deliver a narrative as good as 1st season. i dont think they will ever make a better season with better characters than season one's rusty and marty. im curious about rachel and how she will fare as the lead, also interested in how colin's character is gonna be like. cant wait for season 2 :D
@@Blackoah Well at least they think. That majority that neither thinks nor invent would have us stuck in same era forever - which isn't entirely bad thing, but we are not in perfect world yet so we still need to move forward, so we need "free thinkers", eventually someone will get something new or something right to make few more steps towards a better world.
This first season was an absolute masterpiece. It knocked me out.
Yup 1st season was epic. Second season had terrible casting for the lead roles besides Rachel Mcadams who was excellent.
***** Totally agreed.
Luís Almeida me too. Watched the whole thing straight through. Fucking amazing.
It's true that much of this was plagiarized, finding this out caused me to read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race" by Ligotti. It sounds like an exaggeration, but that book really fucked with me and put me in a weird head space for close to two months. I'd advise not to read it if you're mentally ill or suffering from depression, it has some compelling ideas about the futility of purpose in human endeavor, and the ways we ignore this in our day to day life. Brilliant book.
You will experience this again --- time is a flat circle
This is what you get when you set the honesty level to 100 percent.
TARS?
not the honesty level but the intelligence level
Rishujeet Rai nah , not just honesty
This is what you get when you live your life as an absolute real human being
Well said.
Gurmeet Singh from interstellar
Generally, this much introspection can disable a person from his normal functions. Life requires being numb to the truth to operate. Being this sober about life is debilitating.
Generally, yes. But that is solely because of most people's stupidity and weakness.
Absolutely even entertaining these thoughts can deliver an instant dose of nihilistic/existential depression. Everyone around you is living a lie, the society you inhabit is a lie, religion is a lie. There is nothing.
Man you people are easily swayed...
+Krylo22 If you can't articulate an argument, just walk away and watch more cat videos, son.
+US Marine Rifleman Its liberating to be honest... makes me see the truth in situations.
"You'll do this again. Time is a flat circle."
He says, as I watch this season for the 4th time.
4th time? Those are rookie numbers, man, gotta bump those numbers up 😂
just four, shit, I watched it 4 times the week after heart surgery.
@@Uncle_Neil @Cody Lakin you guys are stuck in Carcosa 😂😂
Can you explain what he means
"Listen nietzsche shut the fuck up."
For me, in my opinion, the best McConaughey performance.
He's a great actor. In the top 10 of greatest modern actors I'd say. Daniel Day Lewis is # 1, followed by Gary Oldman and a few others I can't bother to think of right now.
Yes, one of the greatest contemporary actors for sure.
He was amazing in dallas buyers club
Idk, I really liked his Lincoln ads
@@paulden3158 well said
Deep inside every pessimist is a dissapointed optimist.
the only reason someone would hate this world is that they're desperately in love with the experience of being alive
El Tom care to explain? Fear of letting go?
@@user-ei3qr9un9x it's telling a female friend that she is fat and that she has to get her ass on working out. Not out of malicious purposes, but on the contrary - because you do care. Where fake friends will go with "you are beautiful as you are, darling" bullshit for variety of reasons - from not giving a shit about anyone, to have someone uglier around which will make them look even better.
T. Va. Because it’s uncomfortable for people to be real, there’s a line between being a good friend and being an ass but I believe as long as it’s done in private and not done in a way to embarrass them then it’s ok
@@markjohn9309 you can be an ass and a good friend. Actions speak better than words. It's just today you have to fucking read half a vocabulary for all the variety of meanings of each word you are utilizing in formulating your speech to not, god forbid someone's twisted self-absorption masqueraded as sensitivity.
Lies are sweet, honesty tastes bitter.
That's beside that it was just a blunt example which was not meant being taking at a face value, but more like - pointing a direction. Which is IRONICALLY reinforces my point.
And considering all of the above. How do you even tell someone who has weight problems that they have to do something about it without offending them? I tell you how - you fucking can't. It WILL HURT.
It's like if tomorrow everyone will be unable to tell anything but truth (Liar, Liar), then - the next day will be a post-apocalypse. Not because honesty is bad, but because everything is so twisted and rotten.
never watch this on a Monday morning right before going into your daily routine!
makes you think, huh?
Nope, just makes it harder for the rest of the week.
Fuck...Just did that
Nihilism ruins lives!
Nope! I watch this just before making sweet, sweet love to the wife. She still isn't pregnant.
You will come here to listen this again and again and again and forever.
So far it's been true, what u said. Every once in awhile I do. Hah
No I dont...I found one of those sites that rip Audio from RUclips vids and now I have this in my music list forever.
And I have the dvd set lol
i saw this show 10 years ago, and yet i keep finding myself coming back to season 1. again, and again, and again, and again.
Forever
How do I get out?? 🤧
Season 1 was a work of art. Never to be repeated.
Season 1 was a work of art. Never to be repeated.
I wouldn’t be so sure pilgrim. Time is a flat circle.
@@joshuaellison6356 I'm so done talking to you like a man.
Dr. nipples I don’t remember us talking in the first place Doc?
@@joshuaellison6356 maybe you should open up your pineal gland, and remember?
Personal opinions aside, I think It's really great that a mainstream tv-show is presenting us with this kind of thought-process. Would never have happened just 10 years ago.
***** did u mean schopenhauer :D
***** Twin Peaks is another question entirely. Hardly anything like this show. This show is deeply human. Lynch has never made anything this human in his career, he's concerned with other things and concepts. D.R.
Rebphoenix This is the show the normal audience needs to see.
+Rebphoenix Have you never seen The Wire?
Vena Retro Not yet buddy, on my to-watch list though
The most disturbing part is he actually has a point.....
It isn't disturbing... It's honest and that makes people uncomfortable
I understand his view and vision but that doesnt mean im just gonna sit around doing nothing because of poinlessness. My life my have no meaning and it maybe just a cycle but it is a thing that exist. So being depressed npt indulging it doesnt benefit me even if it doesnt matter in the end
He's emotionally disabled.
Wait till you realize anything can be rationalized, not only any of his pessimistic and narcissistic views. Then the responsibility of what is transcendently, self-consistently BETTER to rationalize, falls onto you to determine.
That's what good writing is
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know- Ernest Hemingway
jesse black my friend once said 'sometimes I wish I was stupid, that way I'd know what'd be like to be happy for once'. He was so right
@@stevebn1071 Sadly dumb people like you can also be angry.
@@stevebn1071 Intelligent people is not the same as 'intellectuals' or indeed intellectuals.
Ada Vanja yeah. Wisdom from God is all that matters. Everything else is chasing your tail shit
@@stevebn1071 which god though?
When Cohle says about how you think moving to a new city and thinking you'll meet all these incredible people and be fulfilled resonates so much. I find myself thinking that sometimes, sell myself a story that must be true. God damn, the writing in the first series is just breathtaking
He was so fucking right
Amazing writing and it hits home and close
Can't escape yourself, no matter how far you run
I found myself in this two times. I moved out from a small town in my country to a big city, then l left to foreign country. I also spent plenty of time travelling. Clouded glasses fall down and you start seeing that people pretty much live the same everywhere in a planet (ofc cultural differences, incomes people get.. different). Ppl try to thrive, feed their families, survive.
Nothing is ever over
Life got pretty rough after TARS broke down
Which episode does his long speech/rant/verbal gem occur in?
@@youknowwhoiam2771 i watched it. RIGHT, it's in ALL the episodes lol. Great show!
LMFAO chill bro
@@keller8100gmail you didnt get his joke ......
No...
It's necessary.
I believe that this has been Matthew's best performance to date. I'm glad he decided to stop the romcoms temporarily, because he is a remarkable actor.
This is pure talent
Turned down 10/15 mill in offers for romcoms to go in this different direction
It’s one of the best television characters ever created
Meh😂
Oh you read that piece too?
God, these quotes hit harder and harder every year I get older. Wow phenomenal writing and phenomenal acting.
acting..writing... stories.. .... us.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s quotes
I swear 😭😭💀
It’s all just taken from philosophers
"I don't wanna know anything anymore" - Perfectly sums up my life
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@TheGooners11 The truth isn't necessarily depressin, it depends on your percpective. Some might find it funny in an ironic way, or some might find it beautiful
@@beigestallion2929 well, then you don't know cuz the truth ain't beautiful
@@montsalveri487 Sure, in your perspective
Indeed!
"I lack the constitution for suicide"
@Kurt Rulida doesn't have the balls to kill him self
@@Morg8685 Well put.
I relate to this. Wanting to be dead, but not wanting to die. Suicide is hardwired into us to be avoided. He understands this and doesn't think less of himself for it.
Afraid to die, afraid of living, what a way to exist
Morg8685 committing suicide doesn’t take balls, it’s an easy way out in most cases but not all
Never mind Heisenberg, Rusty Cole is one of the best and most Interesting characters in modern TV history. Saying the things that we all think at some point in life, but never say.
@Magnolia Trees in the Meadow at some point it’s undeniable that we have had at least one of those thoughts in our head , although there is at least one breed of people I no who just won’t give up there hope and peace bullshit
@magnolia you mean the people that use their brain for something else than daily routines and work (most people evem dont know why they do the work they rly do anyway...)
We say it all them time, check who you hang out with, if they dont say these things once in a while, mistrust
I feel and think that way. I think alot of ppl eventually do. You have to right?
You are highly deluded if you think even a majority of people think about this.
McConaughey said himself in his book: I didnt watch it before anyone else. i watched this every sunday night on cable and for me it was the best thing ever created on television
Dude really went deep for this role
which book??
Greenlights probably @@antiksankarmajumder2498
What's alarming is this character is the first man I've encountered in my life with the exact same philosophy and reason as me. Truly. Not some false proclamation, not any false impositions - just perfect observation of reality. Am I really so dead inside that the only person like me is some TV show character?
@@TTKDMS Much of his dialogue is based on the writings of Peter Zapffe and Thomas Ligotti, you may find some of yourself in them, but be aware, Zapffe leaves little to no hope and Ligotti is much the same, antinatalists I'd say.
@@georgerichardson7728 Thank you for that George! I'll definitely read up with your warnings in mind.
This is why intelligent people have higher rates of depression. It's so easy to become depressed and cynical if you just analyse life from a cold rational standpoint continuously. Because there's no true answer that you can come to that explains everything and it all begins to look cyclic and dark.
I think to some extent you have to disable your rational brain and simply acknowledge you can't unravel it all when attempting to consider cosmic mysteries like spacetime and human nature from a philosophical standpoint. Like Rust himself says, the fact humans can contemplate their own existence is kind of their major design flaw as well as their major strength.
I think when he says that he's acknowledging that he realises his own constant contemplation is what makes him so downhearted, but at the same time he's realising that his level of intellect means he can't merely ignore ruminating on life until he's depressed. It's a flat circle.
The problem is it's not even correct
@Ed M. I hadnt thought about how disturbing this was a literature device for his character. My interpretation was that his world view was just over intellectual bullshit but yes, everything he believes is designed to cope with how extraordinarily awful he thinks the world is.
You just be quiet you
@Manny Santiago he has a subjective interpretation of humanity that works as a coping mechanism. It's not rational.
You only think like this for a period of time, this type of thinking does end. For me it did at least.
True detective season 1 will change the way you look at life
Worked in my case. And I don't even know, whether it's good or not.
Real shit
Just discovered it but was already there.
@@firstnamett4656 Which is why they are called IDEAologies, not humanologies.
As soon as the second live human is put in any equasion our atypical nature flaws the original process. It probably is perfect for at least one of us.
I am worried that it didn't change anything in my case. My girlfriend told me Rust reminds her of me. 🤷♂️
I felt like almost everything he said came from my brain.. Spooky.
Some say if you scratch a cynic you will find a broken idealist. ~George Carlin.
Absolutely. Cynicism is nothing but a coping mechanism. It is essentially one's psychological "armor" to insulate them from the harsh realities of life that they used to think they could change. It is the result of being disappointed with life.
I think you find some bad ideals
@@simonbailey2040 Not really it's just a quote.
spoken by a true cynic
@@simonbailey2040 Everyone thinks everything Carlin said was so profound it wasn't. It was a easy way out.
True Detective season one is the best single season of television ever created, in my opinion. The acting, cast, and scrpit all perfectly crafted. The cinematography, too. Pure genius through and through. Rust is one of my favorite characters ever written. No show ever made me think so deeply about the human condition and life.
The Fargo series very well done too, particularly the first season. On par with True Detective imo.
Both were good, but the best is homeland
@@willowwisp1000 Homeland was excellent.
Copying my comment from a different video.... If you can get through my rants... I did share some things I learned..
JUST heard/found out that Matthew McConaughey said he could only full immerse himself into this role because of his faith... I believe he said it protected him... I can TOTALLY respect that! I am NOT defending a lot of bs ones like that one or a lot of the shit ones that prey on people suffering...Anyway...The heartbreaking thing about Rust at least at the beginning of his arch is that all the stuff he says IS ABSOLUTELY logical and VERY easy to succumb to... It is the last line that gives me chills though... I wish i knew it verbatim but, the light/hope however dim exists.... What a BEAUTIFULLY written show!!! HOW they fucked it up until presumably this current season 🤞!!!! I will never know! I also on rewatch am REALLY appaulled by what Maggie does!!! I GET IT.... But, she should have gone with the random guy or hell just left.... But, she absolutely devastated Rust (Fuck Marty in that reguard! He is also a complex character... If it werent for his heart and fierce love/protection of children... It would have been hard to love him.. Also DAMN did he have to cheat with like 19/20 year old chicks? It was gross! The second chick LOOKED BARELY 17!!! I AM NOT callng him ANYTHING AWFUL BTW! just wish if he cheated they would have been a touch older... But, maybe when you turn 30 all girls start looking even younger? I dont know.. no cause peope have always thought I was a lot younger... Like when I was 20 people truly thought i was a teenager... Probably because people think 40 year olds look like 50/60 year olds.... I know a few women in their 40s I SWEAR look twenty!! Sorry super weird/stupid rant over! )..ANYWAY the hookup with Maggie.... I think that was real for him! I think he had real feelings for her... Imagine having passionate sex with someone to be told IMMEDIATELY it meant NOTHING and it was JUST to hurt Marty!?!! BROKE MY HEART!!! I was cheated on HORRIBLY like the cruelest way possible and STILL I really felt for Maggie till she did that!!! The fuck!?! I supported her all the way! I could even get he sleeping with Rust (I mean COME ON... I would in a heartbeat..IF he wasnt married oh and the fact it would NEVER HAPPEN!.... Just saying Micelle Mo... Im gonna butcher her name! Is very talented and for sure has worked with some of the all time greats! Talented, Lucky, beautiful lady! ANYWAY IT SUCKS that we could have probably had like 6 years of a GREAT GREAT SHOW! Up there with Breaking Bad, Sopranos, GOT (Minus the last season... well really when they ran out of source material ... But, nope one INCREDIBLE season to absolute trash! Season three had potential but, it just didnt feel like TD... There was something magical about season 1... I truly hope season 4 can be the season 2 we deserved..... There arent very any GREAT shows anymore aside from Yellowjackets... Please if anyone knows any other good ones!
Btw you know Marty's daughters? One is the blond fro The Boys the other is the "Look at the flowers" psycho from Walking dead.. just thought that was a cool bit of trivia i just stumbled across watching it again on Prime...
@@dreznoryorkekeenanbuckley2226 The last line was, "You're thinking about it all wrong the light and the dark. First it was only darkness. Seems to me the light is winning."
I have no idea why I keep revisiting this again, and again, and again...
because its masterpiece
because time is a flat circle.
your gonna make this comment again and again and again and I am going to repy to it again and again and again.
Grounding day!
Because it's a spoon of nice and clear truth that you don't get that often in life
This is the most relatable character I’ve seen in a looooooooong time.
Watch Mr. Robot.
what other relatable characters have you known?
@@thededman5054 Tyler durden from fight club
Influence is a strong thing.
Oh man elliot alderson tyler durden rust cohle three characters I absolutely love. Rick from Rick and morty is similar too.. But expecting something else.. Can u suggest?
"Surely this is all for me... me, me, me, I, I, I... I'm so fuckin' important... I'm so fuckin' important, right?... Fuck you!"
Favorite part. :)
Mine too.
+Harold Davidson *2:40*
+HorriblyImmature And why you smile?
Absolutely son
+Harold Davidson Your all going to hell... Mislead fools..
One of THE absolute greatest acting performances of all time. This character would have gotten boring if not for Matthew's spectacular performance, subtlety, complexity and depth as an actor. The way he talks, moves, everything is so well delivered without over doing it that I believe every single word he says. He captivates and captures the inner turmoil and nihilism so perfectly, he feels it, believes in it and then says shit. It's to the point that I can never ever imagine anyone else in this role EVER. The delivery with that pitch perfect incredible voice with such charisma, depth and inflictions is just honestly commendable. The fact that we still long for more seasons with these guys also proved how often less is more. Just 8 episodes of collective 8 hours approximately. I take it as a movie or mini series. Like one of the greatest movies of all time!!!
And the best part is he is totally opposite and not even close to th character in real life
Pity they couldn't end it properly.
Lol it feels like they made him construct a diorama of beer people to keep the audiences attention
@@atomatopia1 "Beer" people can't have depth and melancholy???
@@timmywright7099Wdym?
I thought the first season of True Detective was more of an 8-part movie than a TV show.
so is game of thrones, every episode is a movie
Raul Cabral some of them are just really bad movies
I agree. Game of Thrones is trash.
Johnny Felcher How so? Is it the fantasy setting? The plot is amazing, the characters and scenes are good. What's not to like?
Johnny Felcher The problem is, they compress it and stretch it out at the same time to make it fit into the episodic show format.
"The pessimist who's trying to save the world." Rust Cohle is one of the greatest characters ever written and depicted on television. I just love the fact that during the show it's the case that is giving him his lifeline to still want to live in the world that has endured him the worst pain imaginable to a person. Rust and Marty characterization juxtaposes the two main lines to ones self with Rust being the soul and Marty being the heart. Nic Pizzolatto and Cary Joji Fukunaga struck gold when they produced this amazing television series.
Chris Martinez just a shame season 2 was a bag of shit,but then again how can you beat season 1.for me it's the best show ive seen.
Season 2 wasn't that bad. Try to not have such high standards for this show just because Season 1 was amazing. Both seasons accomplished the tones they wanted and they're each their own thing as a standalone anthology series. There was things that I would of wanted to change for season 2 but it's still better television than most stuff the networks show.
fair comment,let's see where they go from hear..
Exactly! I'm hoping they bring back Cary Fukunaga on the helm.
+Artic Spartan Yeah try to remember not everything is white and black.
And all your life, and
All your hate
All your memory
All your pain
It was all the same dream
A dream that you had
Inside a locked room
That dream about being
A person
And like a lot of dreams, there's a monster at the end of it.
Why do people cut that part out.
they haven't found the monster inside of themselves ... yet.
Eight Virtues it's almost like Some Edgar Allen Poe shit....Epic!
Just a match of "Roy" XD
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@@HistorianTrevi Grass... tastes bad
Honestly, I get a certain peace when I listen to Rust, because it resonates within me of lessons I've learned the hard way in life. Shit is not pretty; it's actually very fucked-up, but there is a certain lonesome "peace" to that, in the sense that you've finally figured out this world and your own solitude is what you truly can rely on. It's a hard peace, but strangely a comforting one: no need to believe in the world anymore, no need to hope, just go on with your hard wisdom enjoying a cup of tea, the stars at night and a bubbling stream nearby.
Amen brother. I resonate with this and rust lifestyle.
There is freedom in knowing you die alone. Every relationship, even the one with yourself, ends. There is no pressure to cling to love, because in the end you leave without it. The existence humans have was never supposed to be this. We are a tragedy.
@@Waywardwindfall 🙏
@@Waywardwindfall very true...the only solace a human can really know, is that the rest are alone too.
There is wisdom in seeing the glass half empty
He swallowed the whole bottle of red pills
Blackpilled
Blackpilled, you mean. Redpilled neocons find their mEaNiNg in gOd
@@randyrogers1853 you realize one can in fact be Catholic and not be a neocon. Hell to be Christian one swallows multiple blackpille in addition to white pills. You underestimate the depth of faith because you think Nietzsche is edgier. If one assumes God then Nietzsche is a misguided tragic fool, if one assumes no God, a tragic prophet. However I have seen enough that I cannot deny Christ.
@@randyrogers1853 neocon prots are by definition bluepilled. TradCons and Reactionaries are generally Orthos or Caths
@@ep_med7822 I actually don't like Nietzsche, nice try with the labelling though. Please highlight the sentence where I claimed that all neocons are Christian, and that all Christian's are neocons. In fact, please show me where I even specified "Christian."
I imagine him driving a Lincoln saying all of this
He makes me want to buy a Lincoln tbh lol
I THIK IT WAS A "VIC"
Musty Crustard 'I've been dreaming about being a person for way longer than I've been a person.'
lol, that should be written, on a hallmark card! No. Bad Megan. It should be Marked Down A Hall. True Story.
@@zackburke5459 haha that's fucking hilarious
"to finally know that you didn't have to hold on so tight" goddamn what a masterpiece this season was
the way rust explains time outside of this dimension is exactly what happens in interstellar. crazy.
The idea of time being a circle is portrayed in a similar manner in Arrival.
Coincidentally 2 of my absolute favorite movies :)
The creepiest part of his description is when he very vaguely glosses over the idea of sentient beings living outside time observing us. "But to *them*...it's a circle". Who is them? Who is he referring to? How did he come about that idea?
Scary stuff
@@1headphoneguyit's just reference to Lovecraft.
when he says it hes straighten out the can ppl he cut out like he was giving reference point . like they where 2d but where in 3d i guess? @@1headphoneguy
Considering that they were both in production at the same time and were both released in the same year, it’s not unlikely that they had some mutual influence.
THATS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THEM HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS MAN... I KEEP GETTING OLDER, LIFE IS MEANINGLESS.
390 horsepower, we're talkin' some FUCKIN' MUSCLE
@@ncten6945 I've seen that engine...right next to the sea monkeys
So I'm late to this party, but I just laughed my *** off at this. Thank you for this genius comment.
7 years..
You’ll read these comments again....Over and over again
Forever...
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time is a flat circle
🤣😂🤣😂👍
........ and again
“So Death created Time to Grow the things that it would Kill”
Book of Cohle 8:40
"Time is a flat circle. We'll do this again."
"In this universe we process time linearly - forward; but outside of our space time from what would be a fourth dimensional perspective time wouldn't exist. And from that vantage could we attain it? We see our space time would look flattened. Like a single sculpture of matter in super-position of every place it ever occupied. Our sentience is just cycling through our lives like carts on a track. See we all got what I call a life trap. This gene-deep certainty that everything will be different. You'll move to another city & meet the people who will be friends the rest of your lives. You'll fall in love & be fulfilled. Fuckin fulfillment & closure. 2 empty jars to hold this shitstorm. Nothing is ever fulfilled until the very end. Nothing is ever over. See everything outside our dimension: that's eternity. Eternity looking down on us. Now to us its a sphere but to them its a circle. In eternity, where there is no time, nothing can grow. Nothing can become. Nothing changes. So death created time to grow the things that it would kill... and you are reborn but into the same life that you've always been born into. I tell myself I bear witness but the real answer is I lack the constitution for suicide. I mean, how many times have we had this conversation, detectives? Well, who knows? When you can't remember your lives, you can't change your lives, and that is the terrible and the secret fate of all life. You're trapped... like a nightmare you keep waking up into. This is what I'm talking about. This is what I mean when I'm talkin' about time, and death, and futility. All right, there are broader ideas at work, mainly what is owed between us as a society for our mutual illusions. Fourteen straight hours of staring at DB's, these are the things ya think of. You ever done that? You look in their eyes, even in a picture, doesn't matter if they're dead or alive, you can still read 'em. You know what you see? They welcomed it... Not at first, but... right there in the last instant. It's an unmistakable relief. See, cause they were afraid, and now they saw for the very first time how easy it was to just... let go. Yeah, they saw, in that last nanosecond, they saw... what they were. You, yourself, this whole big drama, it was never more than a jerry-rig of presumption and dumb will, and you could just let go. To finally know that you didn't have to hold on so tight. To realize that all your life - you know, all your love, all your hate, all your memories, all your pain - it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream, a dream that you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there's a monster at the end of it. The ontological fallacy of expecting a light at the end of the tunnel, well, that's what the preacher sells, same as a shrink. See, the preacher, he encourages your capacity for illusion. Then he tells you it's a fucking virtue. Always a buck to be had doing that, and it's such a desperate sense of entitlement, isn't it? I have seen the finale of thousands of lives, man. Young, old, each one so sure of their realness. You know that their sensory experience constituted a unique individual with purpose and meaning. So certain that they were more than biological puppet. The truth wills out, and everybody sees. Once the strings are cut, all fall down. These still bodies, so certain they were more than the sum of their urges. All the useless spinning, tired minds, collision, ignorance...this is a universe where nothing is solved. Everything we do we're going to do again.I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal. "
Thanks for transcribing that for us bub 🤘🏻
I appreciate the way you pieced together those conversational snippets into one coherent piece. Saved.
Facts
Except that In the vantage point of outer dimension higher than ours. It wont look like a flattened circle, it would still be the same 3d sphere and would not become flat. Its just the vantage point constitutes more piece added to the sphere. (3D space plus an extra) its pretty much explained in the concept of tesseract. For example a creature or a being living in a 2D world would only recognize length and width (flat circle concept) and thus an object, like a ball within a 3d (length, width' + height) that is bumped would only be perceived by the 2d creature like a flat shadow circle that is expanding and shrinking. To the 3d observer the 2d structure (length and width) are still there its just that it can perceive the ball at its 3d totality as well. Length and Width still exist but with added extra piece which was height..
Thank you for your effort....It is greatly appreciated... Calgary Canada
A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists
Amen.
@c ball It is.
People ask if I’m an optimist. I say, I hope so
@@niallquinn2759 I say no. It's not that I hate happiness, it's just that there is little to be happy about. When happiness abounds in my presence, I enjoy every bit of it until I sink myself again into the abyss of negativity. I'm fine with it because I believe having an occasional dose of positivity helps me appreciate those brief times and also acknowledge the purpose of negativity.
Or pessimists. Because misery loves company.
People who have been through existential crisis would feel these speeches
Brave Heart yep
So pretty much everyone, lol
I went through psychosis and I understand what he’s taking about
"Through"? You mean that you can get through it and still live to read comments on youtube?
Others are dumb enough to see the truth...
As a Buddhist having watched True Detective, it really puts a perspective on the tendency towards optimism of humans for. Humans are neither good nor evil, we just are. The pessimist is really just a former optimist who realized at some point that optimism is ridiculous. But when you dig deeper, you see how ridiculous pessimism is as well.
Then you dig even deeper and you see ridiculous digging deep is.
When you see certain Hindu Swami's, men and women who have been born in poverty, who've known nothing else. It's easier to let go of everything, to submit yourself and only yourself, not your wants or likes or dislikes. No, all of that is rejected. All you are is this machine for your intellect. This thinking thing born into a physical world. None of us could do it. Even if we gave it our 100%. We're too addicted to everything. Too attached to machine, and blood, and love.
From our perspective, living like a Swami is insane. But from their perspective, there is no other way to be eternally blissful.
Get of your high horse and join us
Microfrog Well said.
Microfrog Yes i agree. After years of social and systematic abuse, i really started to gravitate towards s pessimistic view of life but then i realized how arrogant, apathetic, and dangerous that point of view could be and it didn't resonate with the spiritual truth deep within my moral compass. Now, i just choose to bee neutral.
"All your life,
all your memories all your love all your hate,
it was all the same thing.
it was all the same dream.
a dream that you had inside a locked room,
a dream of being..
A person"
And like many dreams.......there's a monster at the end of it.
@@shanewalsh620
Wow
Good stuff
Some - *body*
I hope you understands who is the monster…
@@corvoattano5632you
I listen to this to prep myself to play dark souls.
lolled so hard
That boss that keeps fucking you is gonna be in that room again... and again... and again... forever...
i love you for this comment. this is definitive prep work to play a souls game!
I never link the fire. I always let it go dark lol.
lmao
The fact that Kevin Spacey won best TV series actor that year kills me
spacey deserved it much more
Right? Lunacy..
@@PretentiousStuff you are a nutbag
ТурбоТОП you’re crazy as all fuck
Frank was a fantastic character but Rust was also amazing, close call tbh.
"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill"
This made me laugh, what a way to see the world
He said it as I read your post. Spooky. Great line
Lol same he said it as I read what you wrote...it's all cyclical
Seems accurate.
He judges negatively there. Death is actually the only true friend we have. It will never lie to u. Contemplation of death(not in a morbid or self pitying sense) actually gives life true perspective. It prioritizes everything. Whenever perplexed about life, big decisions and choices etc-ask in the light of death. It will never steer u wrong.
Darrell Smoke Maven Simeon thats nature.
Animals, seasons, spinning in the universe.
But humans long broke out.
When I'm having a bad day, I listen to this and then I feel better.
Criminally underrated comment
I’m having one of those days right now, and here I am again, listening to these videos
Same
Fuck that hits
"I got a bad taste in my mouth out here: aluminum, ash." --(Rust) (Coal).
"Some people, no matter where they look, they see themselves."
Now that was truly a mind fuck.
Aluminum doesn't Rust though, my dude.
I’d have suggested he get some Listerine....😜
He said that in the scene shown above and the scene in where they find "scarface's" home. Was never sure as to why he said that.
@@Fatbeard87 this... and coal isn't ash til after it finishes burning.
"The real answer is that it's obviously my programming...and I lack the constitution for suicide" hilarious, lmao
Sounds like his ptsd talking to me
Funny? Its prophetically true.
EatOrLumby it was funny at the time I watched the episode
EatOrLumby Rust is damaged and hypocritical. He is a beautiful character that can't be taken at face value. He is conflicted and has placed himself in his own personal hell. His actions conflict with his words. That is what is so amazing about True Detective, he is such a rich character. Rust isn't supposed to be looked up to or believed in. If you think Rust is cool and awesome you are missing the point of the show and probably aren't old enough to be watching it. Rust represents a broken man who has given up on himself, but cannot give up on his duty.
CptCanada Until the very last moment, that is. It is in the face of his own undoing, the true fulfillment of that duty that would, really, signify his sacrifice, that he realizes what life is, and the crack in his philosophy finally unravels it completely. That last scene, for me, sums up his character and elevates him rightfully to the status of hero. D.R.
I play this video before work each morning.
It makes me smile.
U need help lmao
The power of letting go, right
Same.
What do you do
No you don’t and no it doesnt
The darker your perspective is; the more likely it's tied to a deep yearning for happiness and prosperity that was shattered by a series of deep trauma.
There is no dark. There just is.
Philosophical pessimism is a function of wisdom and not individual misfortune. Though he does come across as sulky throughout the show.
If you stare too long into the abyss the abyss stares into you
Bob's and vagene watches not do mainstream tv shows philosophy video , salute
Richard James oh tough guy has entered the chat
The Abyss would tell Rust to chill the hell out.
Dark..
@@matthew1882 lol
HBO needs to make a spinoff of True Detective called Rust, just about Rust.
If that happens than it won't be considered as a masterpiece anymore...
agree
Undercover in the biker gang, that'd be incredible
Rust and Marty complement each other
As much as I love his character I think it’s better to quit while you’re ahead.
This show is responsible for the best single take ever.
Yes!
@k brown I think it's episode 4 or 5 if I remember correctly. Just search it, it's on here.
@k brown Yeh I've watched season 1 about 4 times now, nothing else like it. 👍
I think its the bikers at the crack house scene
false. the health inspector episode from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is the best single take ever. S10 E4
Beautiful and amazing. I wrote a masters thesis on Nietzsche but everytime I watch this scene I learn something new. Just stunning.
Matthew Mcconaughey is so good in this, delivers lines like its extemporaneous.
Nice 8 point word. Props
don't feel threatened just because you have to look words up.
Patrick Butler What the fuck dude.
facetubemyassplug
sorry, don't play well w others..
fucks sake Patrick, you had to go and ruin it!
I promise I won’t get all philosophical
3 blunts later:
Why would you promise something like that
EVERY. GODDAMNED. TIME.
Some of us don't need drugs for that
@@dg-qn5mi Why would you mention that?
@@dg-qn5mi True. Also, smoking a blunt isnt going to magically instill you with philosophical concepts like these, much less enhance your ability to articulate them. Dont care if I sound like a buzz kill or if it was 'just a joke bruh', stoner philosophy is *the* worst.
this guy should be an Motivational speaker
for who? suicidal people ?
well that was hilarious
Motivation is useless spinning. Don't bother
inspired me. at least gave hope in knowing im not alone among all the happy-drug pushers and fake smilers
Matthew Bienko, well you had a motivation to reply to the comment, if that's useless, why did you bother?.
"Don't ever mow my lawn, alright? I LIKE mowing MY lawn."
Thinking back to that one, Rust introduced order while simultaneously denying Marty the catharsis of having control. He introduced chaos. On the surface level he disrespected Marty, but in reality he was just cutting overgrown grass that anyone could have cut, even a hired hand. The ridiculousness of such a chore, a routine a man retains as a part of maintaining the illusion of modern, suburban living.
On the flip side of the flat-circle, Mowing a lawn is one of the few things a man has control over, after a long week. He can come home and fail all his other house chores, up to and including pleasing his own wife, both sexually and emotionally, but that lawn gets mowed. It satifies him, it sustains him, like being able to hold a job and pay the bills. Is that really living, however, truly living?
My take: that moment was meant to tell us about Hart, not Cohle. I think the lawn mowing was innocuous. Just a decent act by Cohle.
Marty lashes out because the lawn -- when mowed by another man's hand -- serves as a stark reminder that he is basically an absent husband, homemaker, and (to some extent) father. This is a topic of great self-loathing for Marty, and he usually does his best to delude himself, as the truth is very painful.
@@Supwisebs it was clearly disrespectful, plus the fact he was in Marty’s home talking to his wife when he wasn’t there..
Damn you
I think the lawn scene itself was more about Marty himself, rather than a big picture idea.
Mowing the lawn was something that Marty did to make himself feel better about the way he lived his life. It was a contribution to the family. Marty is self-absorbed and his image of himself is deluded from reality, because he refuses to face who he actually is (the juxtaposition being Rust, who knows exactly who he is).
To Marty, Rust mowing his lawn and sharing tea with his wife was an emasculation of sorts. Deep down in places he refuses to explore, Marty knows he doesn’t do right by his family. But it’s his family, he’s got the state detective badge, they should be proud, right?
Rust is introducing ideas to Maggie that debilitate from the “perfect” balance of family and debauchery he has built for himself. He’s threatened by the notion of Maggie recognizing Rust as a superior man to him. It’s a point of deep insecurity because at his core he knows it’s true. And he knows Maggie is enjoying time with Rust, as opposed to him.
Rather than acknowledging why Maggie might be enjoying Rust’s presence and favors, he works harder to keep his “perfect balance”, rather than actually fix the issue itself that requires that balance. It’s a metaphor to show deeply insecure Marty truly is.
You are all correct. The show is about masculinity, patriarchy, evangelical Christianity, pessimism, optimism, and a whole buncha other shit. It’s not one thing. If anything Marty is stopped by his own frailty and trapped in his performance of traditional masculinity. He’s a bad man who believes he’s good. Rust is a good man who believes all men are evil.
This entire school of throughly is based on a book by Ligotti “The Conspiracy Against The Human Race”. The writer and producer of True Detective admits this is his main source. That book is based off of another named “Haunted Universe”, in which Ligotti helped with the newer editions. Please don’t read unless you want to be perpetually depressed to exhaustion
Thanks much
Perpetually would not be possible. And pessimism isn't about being depressed, it's more of a cynical and critical lense to view life. When most are running behind valueless things, a pessimist would first consider if it's worth it. Combine it with existentialism and stoicism makes for a hardened soul.
But if that is the cost of the truth then so be it.
@@mikhael.j7 could you elaborte and explain more your last sentence if u dont mind?
@@seeker11 there is no turning back once you swallow the red pill
*Damn, this was a really long Lincoln commercial.*
(one of the best damn crime dramas ever made imo)
God level comment
@@starman519 LoL thanx
@@user0m170 thanx
People piss all over Season 2 of True Detective and it's just not fair. It was decent in its own right, but there was NO following McConaughey and Harrelson. This story would never have an equal.
+bradblazer
I liked it, but I wish they didn't get rid of the interrogation/flashback format.
Not only that, but Nic had way more time to conceptualize and write season 1, whereas he barely had any time at all to write season 2, he's even stated that it's not something he's happy with, and HBO agreed to give him more time to write the show.
I agree that nothing could have lived up to the first season, but Season 2 was bad on its own terms, not just in comparison to season 1. You can't be too hard on the writer because they gave him so little time to knock out season 2, but the thing really felt like a first draft.
I wish in the future they would reprise their roles in a new story, just a perfect pairing.
Really? I think Season to was its own artistic expression, it is objectively different and that's what should be appreciated about it. If you can't appreciate both I don't know that you have allowed yourself to truly appreciate the storytelling of Nic Pizzolatto. Rust is the true artistic expressionist in season 1, without him and his character there is no story. Season two was a culmination of so many intertwining necessary characters and that was one of the best aspects, directly contrasting season 1. like cmon. ??
Rust Cohle is definitely the most intelligent, interesting, thoughtful character in a TV series I have ever seen. The dialogue just blew me away. Perfectly played by MM. 10 out of 10.
Not really, it is just a pop culture repeat of Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. These things had been said 200- 300 years ago. Nothing new. Good characther and portrayal, of course. That's an another subject.
@@Dale_BlackburnI get where you’re coming from, but part of what I love about Rust is what these philosophical monologues say about his character. It makes him (Imo) that much more human and empathetic because it creates a conflict between his pessimistic and hopeless view of the world and his desperate attempts to make the world a better place. The way his monologues deepen and flesh out his character by communicating just how much he’s been through and how many unspeakably horrific things he’s seen (And, of course, his interplay with Marty) is what, imo, makes the character so special.
not sure I agree with Mr. Blackburn... Nietzsche never made me actually feel it, smell it, taste it the way Rust Cole did. Maybe the difference between reading music and hearing what it sounds like...? That it reached so many people, touched so many people, who would never read Nietzsche or understand it if they did, well, I think it special despite being derivative. The writing boils it down, intensifies it, and the performance stays true to the spirit of it all. Magnificently dark yet never really hopeless.
The terrible and secret fate of all life. You're trapped.
Terrible secret, or ultimate libertarian?
+cole davidson Amen
#AMEN
Kyle Kane I don't think I'm trapped i am sure I am a pretty trap
Kyle Kane. Agreed. Forever trapped. Better to just see, accept and enjoy.
It’s like pessimism and nihilism had a three way with cynicism then had a baby together and this was the result.
Right. And Antinatalism.
McConaughlism
In other words, real life.
There's a real life guy like this called Gary Inmendham.
Rather Ligottian, of course...
One of my favourite characters of all time.
Im glad Im not the only person, who loved this character and the words that came out of his mouth.
If this guy was my college philosophy professor I would have gone to every class.
Everybody would have killed themselves by the end of the semester.
My philosophy professor is pretty much that guy, just yells a lot more. I'd give anything for another course with him after this final year. His way of bringing shit up and then sticking to it and pulling a topic from it is a hard thing to do for just any normal person.
well, either themselves, everybody else in range, or just absorbed the lesson and moved on.
Thought+Time=Psychological Suffering
I'm not a religious person, but there's something to the Bible's depiction of original sin: Eating fruit from the tree of knowledge. The way I see it, God was saying "Listen man, trust me. You don't wanna know."
@@baTonkaTruck you're right but you also didn't credit Jordan Peterson
@@8888-x4t I love JP but I didn't know he said this. TBH I've been saying this for many years, but surely he had the idea before me.
I was raised atheist, to put it mildly. More like "anti-theist." But I wanted to understand why religious ideas and philosophies are still so popular, so meaningful to people, and honestly, so effective at helping people cope with the inherent meaninglessness of life. So I really pondered the messages and found a lot of wisdom there, starting with that one. It kind of lines up with the (heavily paraphrased) zen idea: If you want to be fulfilled, empty yourself.
888 Berzerk888 This concept actually came from Tolle, not Peterson. Was discussed at length in Dan Millman’s works as well.
Jiddu Krishnamurti?
He's right. More right than any character I've ever come across. That's the horrible truth.
Absolutely. He describes reality, not some fables that people need to believe in to get through the goddamn day!
"They welcomed it." I will too.
Why do you feel like your life needs to have an objective meaning.. for it to have a meaning? Of course nothing matters. The universe is going to end at some point, and the sum of our lives will have meant nothing (unless we go reversing entropy, then we're the most important things in the goddamn universe) but that doesn't mean life means nothing. Meaning is a process, a journey. The destination is irrelevant.
***** Who said anything about objective meaning? I'd say the bottom line is that sentience isn't especially good. I'd argue that it's hard to logically defend bringing a sentient being into the world, given what we know of the world. It's not that there's not any purpose, per se, but that there's no real point, and additionally, there's no guarantee that the being's existence won't be mostly miserable. Even misery is relative, of course, but then, there you go.
Matt in the Crown
Sentience is the ONLY good. Misery comes from an inability to fulfill your desire for meaning in your life, so this whole issue is about meaning. And I say that life has meaning, even if it will have meant nothing.
"And that is the terrible and secret fate of all life. You're trapped, in a nightmare you keep waking up into"
So many good quotes in this show but that is one of my favorites
It's messed up, but he has a valid point.
You understand that he is the manifestation of a writer(s)... jaundiced eyes that cannot see most of the light spectrum.
He only has a half-truth. It's worth considering, it's also worth to *not stop here*. The suffering of life has an antidote.
Ok that's a fair description lol... I was drunk when I wrote that.
What's messed up about it?
+Marcus Gorvin it's a bit "messed up" to have the realization that our very species- and you as an entity- are these weird ass, highly-advanced animals that endure a life of higher consciousness, introspection, and complete acknowledgement of our existence, but without any defined reason as to *why* we exist or what on Earth we're doing here. in reference to rust's statement that human consciousness was something of a misstep in evolution, this essentially means that the imprisoning force of consciousness that has been thrust upon the human condition appears, in many ways, to have been an unfortunate and unfavorable mutation, or even mistake, in the natural process of evolution (this statement technically presupposes two unsound implications: 1) that evolution is guided by some intelligent force, and 2) that evolution is some kind of benevolent force that is meant to actually benefit the organisms/life forms that it affects [and no, intergenerational adaptations and whatnot do not necessarily count as benefits because these merely function to continue to chain of evolution, not to actually improve the conscious experiences of said organisms/life forms]). anyway, i already went more into this than i intended to, but the point is: *it is a bit "messed up" to understand the predicament that humans find ourselves in. it doesn't have to be some horrifying, suicide-inducing "messed up," but it can certainly be said that our existence is a bit weird nonetheless.*
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. Nic Pizzolato directly cited the author of said book as an inspiration for this show, and here it shows. I would bet anything Nic read that specific book, and directly used concepts within it to write these segments.
Is there anything wrong with incorporating a philosophical idea into a characters script?
bjl34565 No, what made you think I was implying that?
Omega172 Oh i must have been cooked when i was reading it. my bad
Whatever is in that book, I bet it still originally dates to ancient Greece or even further back in time.
Translation - life has no meaning except for the meaning we give it.
But how could the wold/nature, which has no meaning, create something that gives it meaning?
+Honest Op the meaning we give is subjective delusions we create in our minds so practically, it means nothing.
Yeah. I see that point being made in the show but i would have to disagree. There has to be objective meaning otherwise whats the point in going on?
+Honest Op That's the thing, there is no point to anything; we give meaning to live on through delusions we hold in our heads in order to feel a sense of purpose and identity, whether it be through ambitions, religion etc. whereas from a pessimist point of view, we are biologically designed to die. It actually makes suicide seem more natural if you think about it lol Futility at its finest "it's all just one big ghetto man"
+Honest Op but then again, looking at life from an objective standpoint, I would say the only real tangible thing is family; which makes sense as it fits the role of reproduction that we as humans are biologically designed to do.
One of the most human roles I’ve ever seen. Watched it twice in the same week. I needed to process it.
The true problem with pessimism is that it's actually hyper-realism. It precedes realism so much that it's a problem because people that don't prescribe to pessimism is in fact out of touch with reality.
But we could see it as: why is the truth making us pessimist? Or hyper realistic, handmark of our time
Or how would you be so pretentious to believe you are realistic when reality is infinit point of view, but oops i did it again...
+Chris Marku the second you realize the shit you are up to your ears is yours...is the second you start cleaning your mess. life sucks but at least is yours to suck it.
...
....
*****
true. Just hide in a closet and everything gets fixed on its own. Hmmmmm...donuts...
I feel that, pain in my heart while watching this. The same one that drew me into this series in season 1. I’d never felt such a connection with a person as I had with Russ. His truths are raw, agonizing and beautiful.
"Well that sounds, god fucking awful Rust."
i died! 0:25
+Dota 2 Gag damn i almost started drinking and smoking becose of this show. Even my accent got a little texan hehe
+Kotazo85 If a show influences you to do things that are bad for your health maybe you should stop watching. Not judging though do whatever the fuck you like. Just a bit of friendly advice.
Smokey Mcsmoke
I better don't watch Bill maher, i might become a cynical democrat with a joint in one hand and a beer on the other.
+Kotazo85 Hold on now let's not say something we're gonna regret. Stewie from Family guy.
Moetassim Ayoub
Nothing to regret. i hate republicans and most certainly go wash my car than going to some church
Ignorance is a blessing and consciousness is a chronic curse.
Ignorance has it's price, so nah. I'd try having bit of both. Worked well enough so far.
I think Rust would be just fine at parties. He would be blowing stoners minds like you wouldn’t believe.
Nah, every stoner I have smoked with is shallow as fuck and talk that "positive vibes only" bs.
@@BloodNAshez Sorry bro. Must be the wrong crowd. Back when I was able to partake I had friends that would just make playful jabs at one another and laugh.
@@BloodNAshez tbh. Stoners tend to be retards.
this is why i struggle with suicide everyday..not because im depressed but as a person im meaningless..just memories bones and blood waiting to die going through life being pulled apart by the questions of my realities
I feel you. This may sound trite, but when I get stuck I just get out into the woods, a park, whatever, and stare at a tree. A tree has no will but to reach higher and higher for the light, it's beautiful and infinitely complex, made up of stardust from ancient supernovas, it wiggles, bends and sways with the wind but yet stands rigid against it. It doesn't need meaning or purpose or any of that crap. But it belongs here, because it is here. When the emptiness gets overwhelming I do this, I imagine myself a tree, and it helps.
@@baTonkaTruck They just cut all the trees down at our local park. No matter how far you reach to the sky, it can all end in an instant. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't reach. We should just accept the inevitability that one day, we will be cut down.
This is me as well. Suicidal not because of depression, but because of my philosophical views on life.
I'll be frank, I aim to kill myself on my own terms in the future, rather than live on because "long life is good". No. Once I begin getting old, that'll be it tbh.
That being said, regardless of how meaningless everything is, there are some things I wish to achieve and experience before then. Nowadays I try live in the moment, and aim to enjoy life whenever I can, regardless of my extremely nihilistic outlook. That's really the only reason I stay alive tbh. I get a job because it's fulfilling, and I get money which I can enjoy. I do fun activities to have fun. I do errands because at least in the long run, it means I enjoy life more.
All this shit about continuously improving and building...just reminds me of Clash of Clans. Fun at first, until you realise how pointless and futile it all is. Kinda just realised I should just enjoy the moment and shit
Us humans like to think of ourselves as special. Autonomous and all.
But...I don't think we really are that special. We think we are in control, but I think we're just slaves to our own urges.
That being said, imo we may as well live as if we are in control, instead of just lying in bed all day. We still feel and experience things. May as well try enjoy life before we pass and all
@@baTonkaTruck thank you
6:21
"I don't want to know anything anymore"
One of the all-time best lines in a tv series
I'm pretty much like that some days.
I thought Rust was a beautiful character.
Filip - well said
First time I liked Matthew mc conaughey in anything, in most role's I've seen him in he act's like an entitled douche, credit where credit is due : )
S McC Look into Killer Joe. Or hell even a Time to Kill way back when. The dude has always been a great actor he just had to slum it for a few years first.
I agree. The first time I remember MC was in "Contact" with Jodie Foster... and he came off as douchey.
Matthew Mendiola Dam right. A time to kill was his breakout and he as supposed to be the next Paul Newman, etc. Then he took shitty roles, made some moeny, and and thankfully got back to serious acting. Dudes always been one of the best. Just wasn't taking it seriously for a minute. Now he's legit serious. Over the top serious. Lol. But it's good for us because his acting is unreal
"Well, that sounds... god fucking awful Rust."
All these people loving Rust ignore how absolutely unbearable he would be to be around.
I was complaining about the human race, long before anyone paid me to.
Jamie Rose o
He's referring to Mcconaughey
I rewatched this series while i was depressed as f**k. I can honestly say True Detective saved my life. To see a character so destroyed and so collapsed in life like Cole been able to say "the light is winning". Really gave me hope to believe in the future again. God bless the people who make this possible.
but what's bad about being a realist pessimist? I find more comfort living like that then to have expectations of good things happening and then be disappointed when it doesn't.
@@The_Tortoise_and_the_HareYou're voluntarily, deliberately dooming yourself and you're not even aware of it
The screenwriting here is fucking spectacular, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as meaningful if it wasn't for McConaughey's exceptional acting. He speaks with such conviction and firmness that you can't help but see him as a highly intelligent but deeply wounded man. What an astounding character. Matthew is a marvelous actor. Despite the fact that I am a practicing Catholic who doesn't agree with most of what Rust Cohle says or believes, I am not prohibited from admiring the writing and delivery. This is what you call good drama!
Derek Jones: Especially impressive, when one considers McConaughey's publicly stated beliefs. He is the complete opposite of this character.
@Derek Jones
That precious moment when you acknowledge the validity of something that goes against your dogma.
Derek Jones
You're a practicing catholic? How dumb are you?
INF1D3L010 pay attention to the tone of this comment section and realize how different yours is. We don’t want that shit here.
@@JohnDoe69986 This is RUclips. What exactly did you expect?
I enjoy the true detective fandom. The dialogue is too clever for there being a bunch of fan girls like there are on Sherlock. People who watch it genuinely appreciate the meanings of the monologues, because they actually take a bit of effort to decipher
Josh Reidy Sherlock has a bunch of bullshit ways that he finds stuff out. The book Sherlock didn’t have some sort of investigative super power- he was simply a well learned and observant man. But the Sherlock in the show, he gets clues off camera that we could never even guess, for instance the “homeless network”
I’ve always thought this way even age a young age.. I’m 35 now an I rarely talk like this to people because it takes them out of their comfort zone.. the reality pill is just simply to big for one to swallow..
I usually get into this conversation with those close to me. People who I just meet, I only give them small doses and see if they will get into it. Unlike the character in this show, I do believe in an afterlife and creator.
These phony/fake digital/residual know NO-THING $heepy-$heepy @bots WILL NEVER CONCUR/AGREE (*they are what they are)... #stupidINDEED
@@nuckymancini7013 What do you mean? I agree with you that these shows do only give psuedo knowledge.
Right, Makes you feel alone because there's no one in person that can understand what you're saying.
@@nuckymancini7013 you should try speaking in any actual language. Whatever you're doing here is nonsensical and makes you look like a preteen trying to make it on Instagram.
"I'm bad at parties" followed by "I think human consciousness is a mistake" was way too comical
When Rust says that humans had become unnaturally over-aware. I paused the show and was like "Whoa ! ... whoa." I was shocked to hear something I've thought for so long spoken out loud and so succinctly. Prehistorically, our brains became bigger and bigger until the ability to reflect on the past and speculate into the future gave rise to language and technology (recording tools / methods that will work for next time). But this scope of worrying about the future and dwelling on the past gives rise to 'person-hood' self-absorption, status anxiety etc. So society has to build a mythological narrative explaining who we are, how we got here, where we are going, and what it is all for.... in other words, religion. So like Rust says, society is fragile sham jerry-rigged to perpetuate the stories we tell ourselves, always holding out fulfillment and closure in various forms. Have a nice day.
Damn! Our evolution fucked us. I guess this is the peak of human development because it seems that we're in a nice downward spiral. It's all vomit from here on out kids... It was fun while it lasted. Lol 😂
Now this video makes more sense. ruclips.net/video/JrBdYmStZJ4/видео.html
It seems that the masses do act like a homicidal virus destroying everything and itself.
"nothing's ever fulfilled" Rust and Bukowski would get along so damn well
I cannot BELIEVE i havent watched this show yet, I must be fkng crazy, i MUST start watching this show immediately
ghoawaynetcabo
It's really great....and kinda disturbing tbh
Make sure you only go for season 1.
ghoawaynetcabo same
I never even knew it existed. Will be watching now though
verdict?
Sometimes the pessimism is just litle times of reflections.... reflections of wisdom. And wisdom is a price worth paying.
I agree......being born is a death sentence.......now I have to watch this show.
The most redundant statement to ever be typed
My obligatory response is obligatory......which is actual redundancy.
*****
Everyone should just enjoy their life and stop all the pointless conflict, which would be smart and efficient, but I can see nothing at all to be grateful about.
*****
It's pointless to argue the greatness of existence, and even more so by citing the feelings of imaginary people. People have to make life great for themselves instead of equating greatness with life, or there's no point to anything.
To be honest, This is the most intelligent argument I have ever seen in the RUclips Comment Section. Though, I have nothing intelligent to say here.
Been working my way through True Detective over the last few days and finally got round to the final episode this evening.
Everything about this show radiated sheer class. The acting, the direction, the screenplay, the scenery. The scenes where Rust Cohle expounds his bleak, nihilistic philosophy through a cloud of tobacco smoke were intense, hypnotic, mesmerizing...
Until the last half of the last episode when the spell is rudely broken. It's like watching a version of Apocalypse Now in which at the end Marlon Brando jumps out of a pink wedding cake wearing a red clown nose singing "Always look on the bright side of life." The horror, the horror...
I really wish I had just watched the first seven episodes only. Thumbs up if you agree. Or thumbs down. Makes no difference...
There might be some truth in Rust's new found perspective, but it was so rushed in the context of the finale. No fucking explanation, "Oh I've seen the light!" End.
the ending couldve been worse, considering how rushed the show was. At least this way, they left it with a cliffhanger ending like 'oh my i was wrong...but maybe im not idk'. And that little bit before the black out where cohle says 'in the beginning there was only dark, ya ask me the light is winning' i thought that was a nice little cliche ending (ya know most people like hopeful endings bla bla). overall, first tv show to compel me to give it a 10/10 rating.
ihear2paceverywhere Yeah, 99% of the show was still awesome. Which is very nice.
i just hope 2nd season with the new cast (expecting big things from colin farell and vince vaughn) will be able to deliver a narrative as good as 1st season. i dont think they will ever make a better season with better characters than season one's rusty and marty. im curious about rachel and how she will fare as the lead, also interested in how colin's character is gonna be like. cant wait for season 2 :D
All these comments seem like they’ve been made by rational/logical people, I feel less alone.
I agree. Despite slight disagreements, I agree.
Yeah, more so self indulged pseudo-intellect “free thinkers”
@@Blackoah Well at least they think. That majority that neither thinks nor invent would have us stuck in same era forever - which isn't entirely bad thing, but we are not in perfect world yet so we still need to move forward, so we need "free thinkers", eventually someone will get something new or something right to make few more steps towards a better world.
@@Garchist look man I don’t even remember making that comment disregard it
"The most painful state of being is remembering the future, particularly the one you'll never have." - Soren Kierkegaard
That moment when you go to like a video and realize you liked it years ago. Time really is a flat circle.