This channel is such a dangerous work killer. After a year or two of avoidance, i finally decided to jump into fpv drones for video work. I've probably lost 15+ hours in the past week to these videos. It's been super helpful and easy to understand. Thank you Joshua! My first drone may end up running inav now...
im there right now, hrrrs of reseach right after finding about drones and then fpv in the past 1-2weeks, from dji ->dji hacks->mr steel->analog/digital->building quad->reseach or parts and flow of data/tx/rx -> free style videos-> ordered and waiting on a tx16s now -> watching all of Joshua's videos ever, sun up to sun down very fun and exciting
My first "real" drone ran Cleanflight, but I'm pretty sure my next one's going to get an iNav flash to it. Getting all of those cool automated modes AND still getting the raw FPV experience in the SAME aircraft sounds really exciting. Also being able to rely on the automation during long range sends if I lose video or signal for more than a rudimentary GPS RTH that may or may not work.
@@gautamkrishna7421 if it's a video I watch, like this, it's fine a mid roll add.. But I hate it, when I'm listening to one of his livestreams, while working, and then have to pull out my phone to skip an add every 5 min. To be fair, Joshua is far from the worst. Some have an add every 5 min. And it just makes me quit there channel. Honestly, I mind them trying to gain 2 extra cent on wasting my time. I don't have enough awaken hours to watch all of RUclips anyway.
@@kylehardy7519 well, I don't mind supporting the channels by watching a 5-10s add before watching there video. I know I'm troubling, because I want the best from both worlds. But I think we should stay together and force the influencers to turn down the adds a notch. I watch 95% of the videos on my android phone. Is there even a RUclips app addblock app?
One thing to correct: Both Kiss and FlightOne hardware can run either Betaflight or Emuflight without problem, you can also flash back to the original firmware if you don't like BF or EMU.
@@pippifpv As ImpulseRC OSD boards go, they are compatible with BF OSD protocol. This doesn't mean you can configurate them at the OSD tab in BF configurator, you need to use their stand alone app, but it's pretty much the same.
This is why I consider the MillivoltOSD the 'default best' option if you're not sure - it does basically everything out of the box, and if you decide you don't like any of those options, somebody local will buy it off you used.
Thank you for all your great videos you have taught me so much over the last couple weeks. I’m brand new to fpv and anytime I have a question you seem to have a video with the answer. Keep it up! It is people like you that make it easy for newbies like me to learn and get into a awesome hobby.
About EMUFLIGHT, what attracted me into it has been the 0.3.x version, and its “dynamic rates”. I love them because they can change the feeling of a quad, for example a Cinewhoop with correct dynamic rates “almost” doesn’t need stabilization in post to make cinematic stuff (pilot skill-wise) since it feels so effortlessly smooth!
Joshua is so pleasant to listen to...I could listen to him hours and hours. Clear and structured. Joshua could have been a successful sales representative. :) Keep up the good work!
All I want is having my model to do whatever it is best at. So my big 7 inch long range cruiser is running Inav, my smaller and faster 5 inch runs Betaflight, my trusty old Mini Talon wing do better with Ardupilot and my next build, a micrquad 3 inch screamer will be governed by Betaflight with turtle mode, of course. The learning curve is painfully slow but the rewards are well worth it. And thanks to all the masters on RUclips an RC forums and groups, I can always count with invaluable information, feedback and help. That includes you, Bardwell. Thanks a lot.
I don't have enough experience but that being said watching a couple of videos somehow I feel my drone is tuned perfect and has survived in the air after some amazing crashes. Betaflight
Like most of your content, this was worth watching till the end. As a beta flight user from the start an haven't yet branched out to anything else (even after building 7quads). I'm happy with spending the time to understand all about one software program an all it has to offer. An after flashing 4.2.2 an adjusting the tune an filters (thx to help from a homie on DroneNation for some indepth help) I feel locked precision flight feeling. This video was nice to watch, an gave me good insight on the other programs running out there. I would like to now learn more about inav.
You nailed it👌. I started on betaflight,and as I progressed. Diving into the code. Especially with 4.2 tuning, and all the ff comands,filters. The better my quad flys. It flys so smooth. I love learning betaflight with so many people in this community
Been running Betaflight, very happy with and used to it. Your videos helped me get started. 👍 I'm going to try iNav on my 7" build. And I have the Fettec F7 30x30 fc, waiting on the 45amp esc so I can try Kiss. I love all the options. Happy flying everyone 🤓
Excellent job @joshua Bardwell, I own a couple Betaflight quads but love my Kiss and FETtec quads. The new FETtec OSD is incredible, so much better than the other options for Kiss.
Betaflight can be overwhelming and a lot of pilots don't want to go so deep in the configuration. As you say they want to fly! In my opinion, Betaflight should introduce "layers of complexity". One simple GUI more oriented to ask what do you want to achieve ed another more for fine-tuning. The first one dedicated to quick preset settings for different kinds of quad, maybe asking the user some basilar informations needed to elaborate the setting (as type of quad, motors, props diameter, intended use, weight etc) and, why not, different presets of pilots who want to share their setting (like EMU). It's not simple to do it, but it would be very useful for a lot of people. Thank you Joshua.
Good breakdown of the main differences. I think the biggest reason I use Betaflight is because it came pre configured on both my flight controllers (I got a Tinyhawk RTF and a Tinyhawk Freestyle BNF), and it's good enough for me. Go with the flow, I guess.
Stock BF PIDs are best as a starting point for 5inch X- and elongated X-frames, with a conservative pitch 2-4 blade prop on 2000-2400kv motors and a 1200-1300mah 4s pack mounted on top. Three or four years ago, that covered most basic introductory setups, save for high end RTF and BNF kits. I remember my first betaflight whoop board, it came tuned with PIDs over triple stock BF values and felt perfectly locked in, right around the same time UAVFutures was giving almost all the new eachine 5-inchers a "pretty good" out of the box tune rating.
I use all of them Have a kiss quad 2 on beta 1 on emu (with helio spring) 1 quad with a H7 with falco And a plane on inav I like to play with all I agree with the kiss thing that its difficult to trouble shoot wobbly wobbly stuff I think I like the feeling of emu flight the most And the ease of setup falcoX (as long everthing works because when you have trouble its very very closed source)
I enjoyed watching this video. Very informative. 👍 As far as I you know don’t have to have a barometer or compass to run iNav. But when you want to use the full GPS functions, then you do. I run Silverware on some brushed tiny whoops, iNav on the Tyro129, Betaflight on my ET115 and EmuFlight on my Mobula 7. And I need much more time to tweak them all.... 😶
Thank you i have a betaflight compatible fc so i have tried emuflight and will be testing inav on my 5" because i bought a fc that supports the features you talk about in this video thanks
KISS came around when we were still running the Hobby King KK flight controllers lol Definetly pre BetaFlight, and right around when CleanFlight was getting bigger, if I remember correctly. They were sooooo expensive when they first started coming around, like $32 per ESC! My homeboy built a BlackOut with KISS ESCs, Cobra motors, and the newest Naze32 and that thing ripped.....until it got lost in a feild 😩
KISS is out of the box the best FC for me and also in terms of using more than one Copter. Betaflight might be constantly updating and improving but you have to start from scratch everytime and it is difficult to make two kwads with the same hardware fly as the others.
I am in this hobby for around 15 months. I started with Naze32 + cleanflight. Then immediately came into my rig Emax Buzz with betaflight 4. It was flying pretty good, as what I can tell based on my small experience then. I have already get rid of buzz and I have been flying other 2 kwads. Few weeks ago I decided to switch all my betaflight stuff into Revolt FalcoX and Kiss Fettec. Also bought TBS Tango 2 and HDO2 (switching from Attitude v5 - there is huuuuuge difference). With all this stuff I am feeling that I am entering this hobby once again, from scratch, from zero to hero xD Thanks Joshua for sharing. Keep posting great stuff. Take care and stay safe and healthy! Btw, good to mention that FlightOne is working on H7 new boards! Check Wild Willy channel! Cheers m8!
I suggest beginners to use EmuFlight first as they have presets that tuned by pilot testers for some of their builds. If the default or presets is not good, then switch to BetaFlight for more deep dive! LOL!
1:00 - BOOM, the honest fact of the matter. I struggle with the constant premise out there that "brand X" (whatever that is) is so much better. Whelp if so, why is it not the most popular? Be careful, Emu does NOT have all BF targets (yet?). Same with iNAV. :-/ One thing, Emu and iNAV are much more complicated than BF. Folks never recognize that fact. BF gets the most flack for being complicated, but it is really not compared to other open source projects. Finally, Revolt (FlightOne) boards do have a BF target too! So did KISS till recently.
@@blackchromemusic any one of these firmwares if you tune properly and make sure all your hardware is in check. Guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell any one apart from the other. They all do the same thing for the same end game just get there in a different way. If all your getting is propwash then you must be trying to use too heavy of a prop for your motor combo or something is up with the hardware. Not trying to be argumentative but they all use a pid loop and if you tune it proper then your good to go.
Joshua, have you ever considered doing an arducopter build video series? I think you could make some very cool videos where you start with the very basics and then cover advanced topics. For example: RTK GPS, optical flow, precision optical-based autonomous landing, and (if you reaaly want to show off your engineering skills) implementing a companion computer running a custom python script developed using DroneCode that adds custom sense and respond capabilities.
awesome JB ... after watching to the end .... I agree with you at the begining - I just want to lfy the fricken thing. lol - - - but it was good o listen to what goes on behind the curtain about this topic. Cheers JB.
There aren't many of us using ardupilot. It simply doesn't handle agressive acro the way betaflight can. That being said, I believe an honorable mention should have been included when speaking of GPS/barometer/sonar. INAV = Betaflight + Ardupilot
@@dr0n3droid For sure that is not true, it is neither BF (it is actually worse behaving) nor AP(it is awesomely far away from AP possibilities and features)... It took all possible disadvanteges of both, but no benefits are taken...
I'm really looking foreward to a school-project for upcoming schoolyear: building a copter with GPS and variable payloads, including different cameras and so on. We are planning to use iNav.(With experience in Betaflight) Great overview, thank you for the video!
@@tehllama42 thank you for the offer but I've got a great teacher who is into drones and as a non english as motherlanguage-guy (sorry by the way for mistakes in spelling or grammar) it is easier that way. But one question: Does somebody know if a RaspPi can communicate with an FC? Weird question, I know. We are thinking about following people (if possible) who are detected by a programme on the RaspPi in an immage and then the copter might be able to keep them in frame.
I put emuflight on a beecore v2 bushed whoop and on a mobula 6 PMB and I love how they fly. I'm still fairly new but I did noticed a difference and prefer emuflight
I agree… I personally started with libre pilot, then CF then BF.. tried Emu and FlightOne and eventually found my way to KISS and never looked back! That being said everyone I fly with runs BF
Great video, Joshua! 😊 I guess the best depends on what you want to do and how you want to fly. There's no wrong choice without considering this part. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
iNav has come a long, long way but resource remapping is the only thing that lets it down, however, proper build planning will get around it. I run a 7 in Bandolero with DJI and xfire on iNav for mid/long range and it's awesome. I can push as far as DJI will go and have full confidence that I can flick a switch and she'll come home, EVER. SINGLE. TIME.
4:32 An interesting point. I'm down with the modified changes with B.F. as new versions are brought but as a beginner it's hard to differentiate what each little attribute may or may not help me with a particular tuning quirk I may be trying to smooth out or sharpen. P.S. The last vid with Ryan Harrell was an eye opener for my Butter Kwads weird movement issue. I took his observations with the ESC kHz thing and "BAM" spontaneous problem solved.
KISS is definitely superior when it comes to ease of setup, flight performance and feel, however the hardware and build process is a pain point for me. I fly 6S and don't want to tediously add caps to every ESC, but also don't want to use the KISS 4-in-1 which explodes into flames. So, I used the Fettec ESC which works well, but you have to add extra spike absorbers to your caps to prevent it from popping. Additionally, KISS/Fettec FC's require external OSD's which is yet another part you need to buy and install. When the KISS V2 went out of stock I installed the Fettec FC which randomly died after disarming about 6 inches above the ground during my second flight session on it. The added time and cost needed to build a KISS quad (plus reliability and availability issues with hardware) has pushed me to go back to Betaflight. Although BF is not as straight forward to setup/tune, the build process is simpler, cheaper and in my experience more reliable.
i just started flying FPV, with BF for a beginner like me it's madness. FL1 save me due to it's wizard, but i am looking forward to try BF , just need more time
There is a tempting answer that the RevoltOSD and MillivoltOSD are ideal choices - not because of FL1 specifically, but because they're actually really good Betaflight/Emuflight/Cleanflight targets, and can also run FL1 (just need to rewire certain receivers)... provided you can find them. Just run different (more available/affordable) ESC's, the budget ones work just fine, and you'll end up with a great quad that is super flexible.
With the combination of price, user friendliness and ripping performance silverware whoops are just plain awesome who can deny? Got my first with the armor65 lite and it is able to handle zippin around and bouncing off objects without crashes and when it does it can't be destroyed only a little dinged up a real tough little bugger it is.
I fly only on stock pids and Bidirectional DShot using my own rates with BF and I have no issues. 5in /7in all fly great in my view. Yes I can fine tune if i wish but instead of wasting time tuning, I prefer to go out and practice. No matter how good your tune if you can't fly well it makes no diff. Practice Practice and more Practice and you will be fine with BF 4... Plus out out of the box.
Betaflight's PID has been an absolute nightmare, helped my brother with his KISS FC V2 build, literally assembled and soldered the quad, flashed firmware and it flew. I spent 1 whole week tuning PID's and I still need to do some fine-tuning.
I was a big fan back in the day of OpenPilot CC3D boards -> They had a great setup wizard and my favourite part; the user made templates for some 5-inch 1806/2206 quads, 450mm quads etc. And it flew pretty damn well... I came back to flying recently and found its forked to Dronin... but don't see many people using it? Where is the Dronin love.
BETAFLIGHT 3.4.7 is great, i have tested EMUFLIGHT 0.3.2 is great buuut, i have switched to BF 4.2 with RPM Filter enabled, tuned pids, rates and filters (honestly! amazing experience, i love it!), FLIGHTONE with FALCOX is incredible experience (flies good all the time, have two of this), I hope to test a Kiss setup at some time. Thanks for the informations JB.
Also, only CF, BF, PX4 and ArduPilot and FalcoX have support for the latest H7 processors where as EmuFlight and INAV currenly support upto F7. Though INAV is currently working on H7 support.
You do not need a FlightOne FC in order to fly FalcoX... they support other F411 fc like Matek and Diatone etc, you just need to buy FalcoX license to install it!
I have quads on BF, Inav, Silverware and Butterflight. I'm pretty well versed in the first 3. I like inav the most and if you wonder why it doesn't have turtle mode "IMO" is because inav if for level flight i.e. like the DJI systems you mentioned. SUPREME Agility and acrobatics are not the vision but nice and easy, long, level endurace flights are. We need GPS more than propwash handling. This whole expectation of having a FW that just does it all on a push of a button is redonk
Man I was hoping you’d close with “This brings us to the end of the video, and as always the question .. should you fly it?” Ahhhhhhh. I’m going to try Emu, thanks for roundup
Inav is always my goto.... but i fly fix wing. I finally picked up quad parts and tossed betaflight on it. Oddly wouldn’t arm or work, but inav worked. This pointed me to why! Inav doesn’t use bidirectional esc, but betaflight does... damn wiring!
Great video, its a very tricky subject. I believe you dont fly kiss all the time because you are a tinkerer. You love that betaflight command line too much :)
Imagine the world if you had only one flavour of ice cream? I like a couple of flavours, Betaflight for my 3 and 5" quads. Just works on a variety of FC's , especially the cheap ones. Betaflight just works. For my fpv planks and wings I use inav. Love gps, barometer and autonomous functionality for those flight controllers. I"m no racer or freestyler i just love to fly!
Great job as usual 😎 if I’m a fan of a RUclips channel, I’ll sometimes just let it play through even if I’m not paying attention anymore 😁 not in this case of course 😎✌️❤️
Preston loves it when I point out how good of a BF target it is... runs RPM filtering/dynamic idle and BF GPS RTH really well. I flashed my race rigs back over to Falco, but that's so I can keep doing A/B tests
@@tehllama42 Preston works with the Devs, or hired assistance, to make sure their board has a BF target. Same with upcoming H7. They want to sell boards. BF is the most widely used FW. It is just good business. Although their focus on FW vs. supply chain issues seems like bad business to me, but what do I know.
I built a badger and marmotte hd.. had wobbles. Tried everything couldnt fix it. Went to emuflight. Was less wobbles. But lowering tpa I fixed it. Was set too high. Flies like a dream now. I love emuflight.
One of the reasons I'm strongly considering the Flywoo Explorer is that it has both Betaflight out of the box, and an iNav target and easy provision to add a compass should I desire. Other than it being a superb machine that's well balanced for a variety of types of flying. Also, I've been running a Cleanflight kwad on what is probably stock PIDs and rates for years. The only thing I've found lacking is that the rates are a little slow for freestyle, and I've smashed the poor thing enough times that I think it has a serious problem. It literally yells at me every time I hit something hard enough now. Also why would you fly freestyle on your iNav rig? Simple. Because you CAN, and because I can't afford to buy an individual quad for every individual thing I want to do with quads, as much as I would love to do so!
Emuflight does not support Europe Frsky_LBT protocol on the spi_rx, you will need to flash to US version if you want to run Emu on your gear bought in Europe :)
Why doesn't ardupilot get any love? I put a pixhawk mini in a 5 inch and it's a blast. Can go from full acro to position hold with the flick of a switch and I come right back to home if I failsafe.
I guess it's the learning curve that puts so many people off. I got involved with Ardupilot because I had a job that required us to get a quadplane flying autonomously and there really wasn't any other way to go. That forced me to invest the time and effort into understanding how to get it to do what I wanted to do. A bit like learning Linux or C++, the investment is eventually paid back.
I cut my teeth on Open Pilot, those CC3D boards were often so flaky that some corrupt after flashing, or never work out of the package. I then moved to Clean flight, then Beta flight and then ended up at Butter flight two years ago and then went on hiatus. Now that I'm getting back in, I'm going back to Betaflight, but will also have Emu flight for my Helio powered rigs (now that helio/butterflight is dead). Falco and Flight-one sound very interesting, I don't "race" competitively, but my style is race based, low to the ground, high speed, tight turns, might be worth checking out if one of my Helio boards go up in smoke- I just don't like going with closed source products for the fact that if they go belly up, you are SOL. Oh, and my comparison of what I've flown- Open pilot- clunky, easily apparent it's old, but actually very easy to set up. Clean flight- rounded feel, Betaflight- rounded feel on stock- but tunes can be very very snappy- it is also easy to accidentally tune oscillations into your quad- Butterflight- smooth with a bit of snap near the limits of the sticks- handles oscillation better, but earlier versions were very buggy.
Hi FB I am revamping an old quad I made like 7 years ago . I’ve chosen INav and Speedy bee F7 V2 because I’d like to program flights.I’m wondering if that’s a good choice and where I find more detailed info on wiring and setup.
What is you don't have a computer to do all this on and have an Android phone. I've found speedy bee and some other apps can these do the same without having a computer on hand. Please help
This channel is such a dangerous work killer. After a year or two of avoidance, i finally decided to jump into fpv drones for video work.
I've probably lost 15+ hours in the past week to these videos. It's been super helpful and easy to understand.
Thank you Joshua!
My first drone may end up running inav now...
im there right now, hrrrs of reseach right after finding about drones and then fpv in the past 1-2weeks, from dji ->dji hacks->mr steel->analog/digital->building quad->reseach or parts and flow of data/tx/rx -> free style videos-> ordered and waiting on a tx16s now -> watching all of Joshua's videos ever, sun up to sun down very fun and exciting
im not in a big country so its going to take a while, import is costly so i have to wait on friends traveling
My first "real" drone ran Cleanflight, but I'm pretty sure my next one's going to get an iNav flash to it. Getting all of those cool automated modes AND still getting the raw FPV experience in the SAME aircraft sounds really exciting.
Also being able to rely on the automation during long range sends if I lose video or signal for more than a rudimentary GPS RTH that may or may not work.
00:58 Beta Flight
06:21 Clear Flight
07:55 KISS
11:51 Flight One
15:29 EMU
19:50 INAV
Thank you Joshua, for not putting 10 adds in every one of your videos. Please don't change that. Please don't
Tbh I wouldn’t mind if he did..... I would happily watch like 4 ads a video to make him filthy rich!😂
@@gautamkrishna7421 if it's a video I watch, like this, it's fine a mid roll add.. But I hate it, when I'm listening to one of his livestreams, while working, and then have to pull out my phone to skip an add every 5 min.
To be fair, Joshua is far from the worst. Some have an add every 5 min. And it just makes me quit there channel. Honestly, I mind them trying to gain 2 extra cent on wasting my time. I don't have enough awaken hours to watch all of RUclips anyway.
Why not just use an adblocker?
@@kylehardy7519 well, I don't mind supporting the channels by watching a 5-10s add before watching there video. I know I'm troubling, because I want the best from both worlds. But I think we should stay together and force the influencers to turn down the adds a notch.
I watch 95% of the videos on my android phone. Is there even a RUclips app addblock app?
If you want to support him, join his patreon instead of giving youtube revenue.
One thing to correct: Both Kiss and FlightOne hardware can run either Betaflight or Emuflight without problem, you can also flash back to the original firmware if you don't like BF or EMU.
Does the osd board add on work directly from kiss to betaflight? Never tried kiss, but always wondered if it is as simple to get going on betaflight.
@@pippifpv As ImpulseRC OSD boards go, they are compatible with BF OSD protocol. This doesn't mean you can configurate them at the OSD tab in BF configurator, you need to use their stand alone app, but it's pretty much the same.
@@ivanlin2603 so connect USB directly to the osd board, to configure? And setup in ports tab in bf configurator?
This is why I consider the MillivoltOSD the 'default best' option if you're not sure - it does basically everything out of the box, and if you decide you don't like any of those options, somebody local will buy it off you used.
@@pippifpv yep
emu flys amazing tbh, def worth a try if all your worried about is ripping.
Agreed!
It’s on 3 of my bitches! And kicks ass 🤣
Dynamic rates are teh bombz! Also, cinewhooping is much smoother with the use of dynamic rates.
Shut up and a CHORIPAN
Guillermo Nespolo I don’t get it..Not funny at all..😒
Ardupilot should not be missed. I have been using it for a long time and it only gets better and better
Thank you for all your great videos you have taught me so much over the last couple weeks. I’m brand new to fpv and anytime I have a question you seem to have a video with the answer. Keep it up! It is people like you that make it easy for newbies like me to learn and get into a awesome hobby.
I’m the beginner that you keep referring to in these videos. Thank you so much Josh. Incredibly helpful. Please keep it up buddy.
About EMUFLIGHT, what attracted me into it has been the 0.3.x version, and its “dynamic rates”.
I love them because they can change the feeling of a quad, for example a Cinewhoop with correct dynamic rates “almost” doesn’t need stabilization in post to make cinematic stuff (pilot skill-wise) since it feels so effortlessly smooth!
Joshua is so pleasant to listen to...I could listen to him hours and hours. Clear and structured. Joshua could have been a successful sales representative. :) Keep up the good work!
All I want is having my model to do whatever it is best at. So my big 7 inch long range cruiser is running Inav, my smaller and faster 5 inch runs Betaflight, my trusty old Mini Talon wing do better with Ardupilot and my next build, a micrquad 3 inch screamer will be governed by Betaflight with turtle mode, of course. The learning curve is painfully slow but the rewards are well worth it. And thanks to all the masters on RUclips an RC forums and groups, I can always count with invaluable information, feedback and help. That includes you, Bardwell. Thanks a lot.
I don't have enough experience but that being said watching a couple of videos somehow I feel my drone is tuned perfect and has survived in the air after some amazing crashes. Betaflight
I think, BF 4.2 is the best for me, just need 4 5 batere for tuning, just slide min max pid and done.
Like most of your content, this was worth watching till the end. As a beta flight user from the start an haven't yet branched out to anything else (even after building 7quads). I'm happy with spending the time to understand all about one software program an all it has to offer. An after flashing 4.2.2 an adjusting the tune an filters (thx to help from a homie on DroneNation for some indepth help) I feel locked precision flight feeling. This video was nice to watch, an gave me good insight on the other programs running out there. I would like to now learn more about inav.
You nailed it👌. I started on betaflight,and as I progressed. Diving into the code. Especially with 4.2 tuning, and all the ff comands,filters. The better my quad flys. It flys so smooth. I love learning betaflight with so many people in this community
Been running Betaflight, very happy with and used to it. Your videos helped me get started. 👍
I'm going to try iNav on my 7" build. And I have the Fettec F7 30x30 fc, waiting on the 45amp esc so I can try Kiss. I love all the options. Happy flying everyone 🤓
Eloquently described magic. Lots of very complex things made understandable. Ya did good my guru!
Awesome video no honorable mention of kk boards, openflight, multiwii and the infamous baseflight though, seems like centuries ago😂
Great summary, for a video of this type that's honestly hard to achieve a useful and informative balance, and you did it.
Excellent job @joshua Bardwell, I own a couple Betaflight quads but love my Kiss and FETtec quads. The new FETtec OSD is incredible, so much better than the other options for Kiss.
Betaflight can be overwhelming and a lot of pilots don't want to go so deep in the configuration. As you say they want to fly! In my opinion, Betaflight should introduce "layers of complexity". One simple GUI more oriented to ask what do you want to achieve ed another more for fine-tuning. The first one dedicated to quick preset settings for different kinds of quad, maybe asking the user some basilar informations needed to elaborate the setting (as type of quad, motors, props diameter, intended use, weight etc) and, why not, different presets of pilots who want to share their setting (like EMU). It's not simple to do it, but it would be very useful for a lot of people. Thank you Joshua.
Right!!!
You became really good at starting your videos in a fun and exciting way! 👍🏽
Thank you, that was very educational, been using Betaflight only, now I understand that there's options (which I knew about, but now understand).
Good breakdown of the main differences. I think the biggest reason I use Betaflight is because it came pre configured on both my flight controllers (I got a Tinyhawk RTF and a Tinyhawk Freestyle BNF), and it's good enough for me. Go with the flow, I guess.
Stock BF PIDs are best as a starting point for 5inch X- and elongated X-frames, with a conservative pitch 2-4 blade prop on 2000-2400kv motors and a 1200-1300mah 4s pack mounted on top. Three or four years ago, that covered most basic introductory setups, save for high end RTF and BNF kits. I remember my first betaflight whoop board, it came tuned with PIDs over triple stock BF values and felt perfectly locked in, right around the same time UAVFutures was giving almost all the new eachine 5-inchers a "pretty good" out of the box tune rating.
It is maybe usefull for some people to know, that it is possible to use standard ESCs with KISS (save some money and get KISS stick feel)
Can you link a video where it is teached to do?
I use all of them
Have a kiss quad
2 on beta
1 on emu (with helio spring)
1 quad with a H7 with falco
And a plane on inav
I like to play with all
I agree with the kiss thing that its difficult to trouble shoot wobbly wobbly stuff
I think I like the feeling of emu flight the most
And the ease of setup falcoX (as long everthing works because when you have trouble its very very closed source)
After 2 years BF and 6 builds i did a Kiss build (Mr.Steele).
I can say its worth the money.
👍🏻 absolutely
Great job Joshua. Betaflight, all the way. Mostly because you have educational stuff on it. Keep making sure I learn something today.
I enjoyed watching this video. Very informative. 👍
As far as I you know don’t have to have a barometer or compass to run iNav. But when you want to use the full GPS functions, then you do.
I run Silverware on some brushed tiny whoops, iNav on the Tyro129, Betaflight on my ET115 and EmuFlight on my Mobula 7. And I need much more time to tweak them all.... 😶
Thank you i have a betaflight compatible fc so i have tried emuflight and will be testing inav on my 5" because i bought a fc that supports the features you talk about in this video thanks
KISS came around when we were still running the Hobby King KK flight controllers lol Definetly pre BetaFlight, and right around when CleanFlight was getting bigger, if I remember correctly. They were sooooo expensive when they first started coming around, like $32 per ESC! My homeboy built a BlackOut with KISS ESCs, Cobra motors, and the newest Naze32 and that thing ripped.....until it got lost in a feild 😩
KISS is out of the box the best FC for me and also in terms of using more than one Copter. Betaflight might be constantly updating and improving but you have to start from scratch everytime and it is difficult to make two kwads with the same hardware fly as the others.
I am in this hobby for around 15 months. I started with Naze32 + cleanflight. Then immediately came into my rig Emax Buzz with betaflight 4. It was flying pretty good, as what I can tell based on my small experience then. I have already get rid of buzz and I have been flying other 2 kwads. Few weeks ago I decided to switch all my betaflight stuff into Revolt FalcoX and Kiss Fettec. Also bought TBS Tango 2 and HDO2 (switching from Attitude v5 - there is huuuuuge difference). With all this stuff I am feeling that I am entering this hobby once again, from scratch, from zero to hero xD Thanks Joshua for sharing. Keep posting great stuff. Take care and stay safe and healthy! Btw, good to mention that FlightOne is working on H7 new boards! Check Wild Willy channel! Cheers m8!
I suggest beginners to use EmuFlight first as they have presets that tuned by pilot testers for some of their builds. If the default or presets is not good, then switch to BetaFlight for more deep dive! LOL!
1:00 - BOOM, the honest fact of the matter.
I struggle with the constant premise out there that "brand X" (whatever that is) is so much better. Whelp if so, why is it not the most popular?
Be careful, Emu does NOT have all BF targets (yet?). Same with iNAV. :-/
One thing, Emu and iNAV are much more complicated than BF. Folks never recognize that fact. BF gets the most flack for being complicated, but it is really not compared to other open source projects.
Finally, Revolt (FlightOne) boards do have a BF target too! So did KISS till recently.
Just because something is popular doesnt mean its any good.
I tried to tune BF and all you get is prop wash.
@@blackchromemusic any one of these firmwares if you tune properly and make sure all your hardware is in check. Guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell any one apart from the other. They all do the same thing for the same end game just get there in a different way. If all your getting is propwash then you must be trying to use too heavy of a prop for your motor combo or something is up with the hardware. Not trying to be argumentative but they all use a pid loop and if you tune it proper then your good to go.
I have the up most respect for cleanflight, even though I use betaflight. Thankyou Dom.
The new Dynamic Rates system makes EMU worth a try, it really lets you tune the stick feel to your preference.
Joshua, have you ever considered doing an arducopter build video series?
I think you could make some very cool videos where you start with the very basics and then cover advanced topics. For example: RTK GPS, optical flow, precision optical-based autonomous landing, and (if you reaaly want to show off your engineering skills) implementing a companion computer running a custom python script developed using DroneCode that adds custom sense and respond capabilities.
awesome JB ... after watching to the end .... I agree with you at the begining - I just want to lfy the fricken thing. lol - - - but it was good o listen to what goes on behind the curtain about this topic. Cheers JB.
No Ardupilot ???
There aren't many of us using ardupilot. It simply doesn't handle agressive acro the way betaflight can.
That being said, I believe an honorable mention should have been included when speaking of GPS/barometer/sonar.
INAV = Betaflight + Ardupilot
@@dr0n3droid For sure that is not true, it is neither BF (it is actually worse behaving) nor AP(it is awesomely far away from AP possibilities and features)... It took all possible disadvanteges of both, but no benefits are taken...
@@lolandypanda Pretty sure that's what I said.
I was about to ask the same!
I felt the same that’s all I use but I’m fixed wing
I'm really looking foreward to a school-project for upcoming schoolyear: building a copter with GPS and variable payloads, including different cameras and so on.
We are planning to use iNav.(With experience in Betaflight)
Great overview, thank you for the video!
If it's a school project, LMK how I can help, especially if it's a science fair flavored one
@@tehllama42 thank you for the offer but I've got a great teacher who is into drones and as a non english as motherlanguage-guy (sorry by the way for mistakes in spelling or grammar) it is easier that way.
But one question: Does somebody know if a RaspPi can communicate with an FC? Weird question, I know.
We are thinking about following people (if possible) who are detected by a programme on the RaspPi in an immage and then the copter might be able to keep them in frame.
I put emuflight on a beecore v2 bushed whoop and on a mobula 6 PMB and I love how they fly. I'm still fairly new but I did noticed a difference and prefer emuflight
I agree… I personally started with libre pilot, then CF then BF.. tried Emu and FlightOne and eventually found my way to KISS and never looked back! That being said everyone I fly with runs BF
Great video, Joshua! 😊
I guess the best depends on what you want to do and how you want to fly. There's no wrong choice without considering this part. 😊
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
iNav has come a long, long way but resource remapping is the only thing that lets it down, however, proper build planning will get around it. I run a 7 in Bandolero with DJI and xfire on iNav for mid/long range and it's awesome. I can push as far as DJI will go and have full confidence that I can flick a switch and she'll come home, EVER. SINGLE. TIME.
Great video Joshua! I think you missed that you always need an external OSD for KISS hardware. For me it's the wolf PDB or the TBS unify evo.
4:32 An interesting point. I'm down with the modified changes with B.F. as new versions are brought but as a beginner it's hard to differentiate what each little attribute may or may not help me with a particular tuning quirk I may be trying to smooth out or sharpen. P.S. The last vid with Ryan Harrell was an eye opener for my Butter Kwads weird movement issue. I took his observations with the ESC kHz thing and "BAM" spontaneous problem solved.
Thanks for another very informative video Joshua, I learned a lot again.
KISS is definitely superior when it comes to ease of setup, flight performance and feel, however the hardware and build process is a pain point for me. I fly 6S and don't want to tediously add caps to every ESC, but also don't want to use the KISS 4-in-1 which explodes into flames. So, I used the Fettec ESC which works well, but you have to add extra spike absorbers to your caps to prevent it from popping. Additionally, KISS/Fettec FC's require external OSD's which is yet another part you need to buy and install. When the KISS V2 went out of stock I installed the Fettec FC which randomly died after disarming about 6 inches above the ground during my second flight session on it. The added time and cost needed to build a KISS quad (plus reliability and availability issues with hardware) has pushed me to go back to Betaflight. Although BF is not as straight forward to setup/tune, the build process is simpler, cheaper and in my experience more reliable.
I do watch all the videos all the way to the end.
i just started flying FPV, with BF for a beginner like me it's madness. FL1 save me due to it's wizard, but i am looking forward to try BF , just need more time
Thanks for best introduction!.
There is a tempting answer that the RevoltOSD and MillivoltOSD are ideal choices - not because of FL1 specifically, but because they're actually really good Betaflight/Emuflight/Cleanflight targets, and can also run FL1 (just need to rewire certain receivers)... provided you can find them.
Just run different (more available/affordable) ESC's, the budget ones work just fine, and you'll end up with a great quad that is super flexible.
Great, informative video Joshua. I learned some things. 😋
With the combination of price, user friendliness and ripping performance silverware whoops are just plain awesome who can deny? Got my first with the armor65 lite and it is able to handle zippin around and bouncing off objects without crashes and when it does it can't be destroyed only a little dinged up a real tough little bugger it is.
I fly only on stock pids and Bidirectional DShot using my own rates with BF and I have no issues. 5in /7in all fly great in my view. Yes I can fine tune if i wish but instead of wasting time tuning, I prefer to go out and practice. No matter how good your tune if you can't fly well it makes no diff. Practice Practice and more Practice and you will be fine with BF 4... Plus out out of the box.
Gyro vs Setpoint is all we need to see from all of these. Betaflight can prove how good it can do the job.
suggestion. What would a perfect DJI drone look like?
Betaflight's PID has been an absolute nightmare, helped my brother with his KISS FC V2 build, literally assembled and soldered the quad, flashed firmware and it flew. I spent 1 whole week tuning PID's and I still need to do some fine-tuning.
I was a big fan back in the day of OpenPilot CC3D boards -> They had a great setup wizard and my favourite part; the user made templates for some 5-inch 1806/2206 quads, 450mm quads etc. And it flew pretty damn well... I came back to flying recently and found its forked to Dronin... but don't see many people using it? Where is the Dronin love.
BETAFLIGHT 3.4.7 is great, i have tested EMUFLIGHT 0.3.2 is great buuut, i have switched to BF 4.2 with RPM Filter enabled, tuned pids, rates and filters (honestly! amazing experience, i love it!), FLIGHTONE with FALCOX is incredible experience (flies good all the time, have two of this), I hope to test a Kiss setup at some time. Thanks for the informations JB.
Also, only CF, BF, PX4 and ArduPilot and FalcoX have support for the latest H7 processors where as EmuFlight and INAV currenly support upto F7. Though INAV is currently working on H7 support.
You do not need a FlightOne FC in order to fly FalcoX... they support other F411 fc like Matek and Diatone etc, you just need to buy FalcoX license to install it!
Love your work!!!!
Whenever I fly a quad I’ve tuned with Betaflight 3.5.whatever I am reminded of how good it was
I have quads on BF, Inav, Silverware and Butterflight. I'm pretty well versed in the first 3. I like inav the most and if you wonder why it doesn't have turtle mode "IMO" is because inav if for level flight i.e. like the DJI systems you mentioned. SUPREME Agility and acrobatics are not the vision but nice and easy, long, level endurace flights are. We need GPS more than propwash handling. This whole expectation of having a FW that just does it all on a push of a button is redonk
You can flash FalcoX on matek 411 targets. Not just F1 boards
Putting betaflight on flight one flight controllers is pretty good as well because of the filtration that those boards use. Great video as always 👍
CHORIPAN FIRMWARE JB !!!! CHORIPAN
Good job man!
Love simplicity but it always turns to be the most complex as well and exactly like you said there’s no tutorial videos in abundance
TY Joshua.
Man I was hoping you’d close with
“This brings us to the end of the video, and as always the question .. should you fly it?”
Ahhhhhhh. I’m going to try Emu, thanks for roundup
Thank you man you're the best !
I startet flying with a cc3d and
openPilot. But i changed it to cleanflight and later to betaflight. I think betaflight has the Best tuning settings.
Inav is always my goto.... but i fly fix wing. I finally picked up quad parts and tossed betaflight on it. Oddly wouldn’t arm or work, but inav worked. This pointed me to why! Inav doesn’t use bidirectional esc, but betaflight does... damn wiring!
Good summary ! 👍
Betaflight is super awesome
Great video, its a very tricky subject. I believe you dont fly kiss all the time because you are a tinkerer. You love that betaflight command line too much :)
Clean fight is probably my favorite just because I've been using it for so long. Since back win the cc3d first came out
Imagine the world if you had only one flavour of ice cream? I like a couple of flavours, Betaflight for my 3 and 5" quads. Just works on a variety of FC's , especially the cheap ones. Betaflight just works. For my fpv planks and wings I use inav. Love gps, barometer and autonomous functionality for those flight controllers. I"m no racer or freestyler i just love to fly!
you should do a kiss and falco x tutorial, that would be great
Great job as usual 😎 if I’m a fan of a RUclips channel, I’ll sometimes just let it play through even if I’m not paying attention anymore 😁 not in this case of course 😎✌️❤️
I‘m using BetaFlight, the logo is cool, the interface is easy to use. Plus, „I float like a butterfly & sting like a bee.“ 😉
Flightone fcs can be flashed to betaflight they are not locked down to only Falcox
Preston loves it when I point out how good of a BF target it is... runs RPM filtering/dynamic idle and BF GPS RTH really well.
I flashed my race rigs back over to Falco, but that's so I can keep doing A/B tests
@@tehllama42 Preston works with the Devs, or hired assistance, to make sure their board has a BF target. Same with upcoming H7. They want to sell boards. BF is the most widely used FW. It is just good business.
Although their focus on FW vs. supply chain issues seems like bad business to me, but what do I know.
I built a badger and marmotte hd.. had wobbles. Tried everything couldnt fix it. Went to emuflight. Was less wobbles. But lowering tpa I fixed it. Was set too high. Flies like a dream now. I love emuflight.
One of the reasons I'm strongly considering the Flywoo Explorer is that it has both Betaflight out of the box, and an iNav target and easy provision to add a compass should I desire.
Other than it being a superb machine that's well balanced for a variety of types of flying.
Also, I've been running a Cleanflight kwad on what is probably stock PIDs and rates for years. The only thing I've found lacking is that the rates are a little slow for freestyle, and I've smashed the poor thing enough times that I think it has a serious problem. It literally yells at me every time I hit something hard enough now.
Also why would you fly freestyle on your iNav rig?
Simple. Because you CAN, and because I can't afford to buy an individual quad for every individual thing I want to do with quads, as much as I would love to do so!
One that I was hoping you would have had on your list to talk about is ArduPilot/ArduCopter. Do you have any options on this FC firmware ?
It would also be nice to note which do and don't play well with DJI.
Wow, it took you a while but you finally acted on my suggestion to compare FWs. Thanks!
Excu-u-use me! Where is the ArduCopter?
And what about baseflight?
Agreed. I was wondering where ArduCopter was.
😂
Excussssse you. You already know this is a drone channel not helicopters!!
thanks for all that useful info
Emuflight does not support Europe Frsky_LBT protocol on the spi_rx, you will need to flash to US version if you want to run Emu on your gear bought in Europe :)
Why doesn't ardupilot get any love? I put a pixhawk mini in a 5 inch and it's a blast. Can go from full acro to position hold with the flick of a switch and I come right back to home if I failsafe.
I guess it's the learning curve that puts so many people off. I got involved with Ardupilot because I had a job that required us to get a quadplane flying autonomously and there really wasn't any other way to go. That forced me to invest the time and effort into understanding how to get it to do what I wanted to do. A bit like learning Linux or C++, the investment is eventually paid back.
can you use betaflight compactable FC with inav ?
I cut my teeth on Open Pilot, those CC3D boards were often so flaky that some corrupt after flashing, or never work out of the package.
I then moved to Clean flight, then Beta flight and then ended up at Butter flight two years ago and then went on hiatus.
Now that I'm getting back in, I'm going back to Betaflight, but will also have Emu flight for my Helio powered rigs (now that helio/butterflight is dead).
Falco and Flight-one sound very interesting, I don't "race" competitively, but my style is race based, low to the ground, high speed, tight turns, might be worth checking out if one of my Helio boards go up in smoke- I just don't like going with closed source products for the fact that if they go belly up, you are SOL.
Oh, and my comparison of what I've flown- Open pilot- clunky, easily apparent it's old, but actually very easy to set up. Clean flight- rounded feel, Betaflight- rounded feel on stock- but tunes can be very very snappy- it is also easy to accidentally tune oscillations into your quad- Butterflight- smooth with a bit of snap near the limits of the sticks- handles oscillation better, but earlier versions were very buggy.
Hi FB I am revamping an old quad I made like 7 years ago . I’ve chosen INav and Speedy bee F7 V2 because I’d like to program flights.I’m wondering if that’s a good choice and where I find more detailed info on wiring and setup.
What is you don't have a computer to do all this on and have an Android phone. I've found speedy bee and some other apps can these do the same without having a computer on hand. Please help
I wish you would have covered silverware in here also. Very interested in your opinion on this compared to the others. Whoop Whoop!