This is great content. The thing I’ve always wanted during a club fitting is to try different size grips. I wear a 3x glove, and smaller grips make my grip pressure go up. Good stuff.
Well the hands have to change the club direction so high force required. Once the direction is changed the body takes over and the hands relax I presume
@@ironsideeve2955 All you have to do is look at where the club is in the swing compared to the grip pressure and you can extrapolate the direction of force. No one sees this because no one is looking for it because they are unaware of it's importance.
@@ironsideeve2955 Odd that my comment about how and why my first comment made sense has been removed. I've received replies that agree with me but now they're gone. Why hide the truth? Isn't this channel about learning the truth about golf? Remember the famous quote, "New ideas are always viewed as blasphemy before they are accepted as truth."
This is really interesting! I've been asking some people these questions. I really want to know the force profile through the swing for pros vs. amateurs. This starts answering those questions. Great stuff!
Very interesting. Can't wait to hear the research results on this. Been waiting for such a product for a while in fact. not that I can justify it but interested in research papers.
Interesting about your chart vs the pros. You had an episode with a long driver who said the top of his backswing was when his hands were about hip high on the takeaway. From there and up to top, his momentum was changing directions, which would increase his need to grip it harder to change direction. On the down, the shoulder throw teaching from TGM is verified. A swinger only swings from top to P5, then the club throws out around the corner from the weight of the head. I'd be interested to hear Lee Deitrick's (sp) take on this info. Further, I'd like him to use the info to help you with it. So, we just learned it isn't the knuckle flow stuff, or whatever, that was. It's a shoulder throw. Hands aren't doing it. They are hanging on.
The drill that Scott Stallings gave Brendon is the best overall golf drill I've ever tried. Increases my speed by a lot, gets weight shift back to lead side and gets hip turn going before hands. I've tried a lot of other stuff and nothing comes close to producing the results of that drill.
“Super Speed Golf” has highlighted a correlation between golf grip strength and clubhead speed with higher grip strength associated with long drive competitors . They sell a thicker grip trainer which supposedly will help a golfer train a stronger grip
Brendon, for me, the less grip pressure, the faster I can transfer body angular momentum to the club. Of course, this is my intention, not necessarily what I am actually doing. What are pros actually thinking throughout the swing? Are they figuring out when to hold on to the club for dear life, or just reacting? As always, intentions not apparent. Thanks for your inquiries!
As you are always on the lookout for new technology: what I would really like to see, know and have is an overlay of my downswing over a pros one, so that I can see where and when his is faster or slower than mine. That's been the stuff missing from the robot as well: you can feel how the pro swings (more jerky in some places than in real life due to its construction/levers, felt much narrower at top and in transition than I thought and swing) but not at real speeds.
The "baby bird" analogy is just for setup. You don't want to be standing there squeezing the club like Homer choking Bart, but you need to have good grip pressure during the transition from your backswing into your downswing.
Sam Snead was the player who coined the baby bird analogy and he meant it for the address position, sam did pretty well on tour. Also this some teaching put a premium on the trail trigger finger knuckle, its why the finger is separated the knuckle puts a force into the shaft at impact, force is a little different depending on if your hitting driver or wedge. Also this teacher has won on tour and bombs it.
One guess I have is that in P5 position the pros are manipulating the club face (snapping) into hitting position where they release the pressure to increase speed. What do you think???? 🤔
The first graph you show is not what you say it is, look at the numbers they go up through impact which contradicts what you said about P5 being the maximum pressure then falling off through impact. Have I misunderstood this?
I think you may be taking that advice too literally. I believe that advice is meant to make sure you don’t get too tight in your body before you swing. I don’t think anyone who gave that advice really thinks when you’re swinging the club in the downswing at 100mph you’re not gripping the club tightly….
I'm thinking Pro's tighter grip on the way down is what allows/helps the wrists to maintain the angle as opposed to the angle breaking too soon and losing the speed created when the angle releases
Well you have to be in a position to let it go. If you are in a super p5 spot you can relax the hands. If you are way off plane or the face is off you’ll have to strangle it just to make contact
The difference between lead and trail forces is incorrect. In an overlap grip, the trail hand is covering and "gripping" the thumb of the lead hand, applying force OVER the lead hand, and essentially only 2 fingers of the trail hand are "gripping" the shaft (because the trail thumb and forefinger are applying almost no grip, at least for skilled players). How does this device compensate for the fact that much, if not most, of the trail hand gripping force occurs OVER the lead hand thumb ? Can we see a graph of a baseball swing, where the lead and trail hands do not overlap ? I would suspect that the forces are much more equivalent.
@@Sensoredge Please post such videos to your channel. The golf tour pro videos show 60-30, 70-30, 80-20, difference in grip pressure between lead and trail, but I believe that baseball players will have less of a difference between lead and trail, because a golf grip trail hand covers the thumb of the lead hand, which creates a misleading difference in grip pressure.
This is so interesting. I have found that relaxing around P5 /right thigh I get better shots but my brain still wants to kill the ball. I think I can get this right but the hardest part is how the grip pressure works in transition so as not to cast the club. Perhaps a good drill for this is the one where you have a pile of towels or a blanket and you actually let the club go as it hits the rolled up blankets. I have seen a couple of videos where some people have found it makes a big difference to their swing
Maybe just me but not a fan of the AI generated pictures added in, really jarring and takes me out of the good material and info being covered in the video. They're more distracting than helpful
People need to realise the baby bird myth is in fact nonsense. The past meta was to grip it. Tommy Armour said grip it as hard as you can, same with Bobby Jones, especially the leading hand.
This is great content. The thing I’ve always wanted during a club fitting is to try different size grips. I wear a 3x glove, and smaller grips make my grip pressure go up. Good stuff.
Wow. Very cool new data to give us more understanding of the golf swing
So this data shows that pros are swinging toward the ground and then letting the club freewheel through impact, as I've been saying for years now.
Well the hands have to change the club direction so high force required. Once the direction is changed the body takes over and the hands relax I presume
That's a wild interpretation of the data.
@@ironsideeve2955 All you have to do is look at where the club is in the swing compared to the grip pressure and you can extrapolate the direction of force. No one sees this because no one is looking for it because they are unaware of it's importance.
@@ironsideeve2955 Odd that my comment about how and why my first comment made sense has been removed. I've received replies that agree with me but now they're gone. Why hide the truth? Isn't this channel about learning the truth about golf? Remember the famous quote, "New ideas are always viewed as blasphemy before they are accepted as truth."
This is new information?
This is super useful! Thx!
lol that was giving me Ivan Drago vibes with killing the bird comment
@@Mbsmoothe if he dies. He dies.
This is really interesting! I've been asking some people these questions. I really want to know the force profile through the swing for pros vs. amateurs. This starts answering those questions. Great stuff!
@@TedInoue more information on the way. This is groundbreaking stuff and just scratches the surface. Potential to be bigger than ground forces
Very interesting. Can't wait to hear the research results on this. Been waiting for such a product for a while in fact. not that I can justify it but interested in research papers.
“What Sam Snead didn’t tell you is that the bird was a fucking Eagle”- Jackie Burke Jr.
Will be very cool to see different shots full swing: driver, iron, fade, draw etc, distance wedges, short game shots and putting ;)
Interesting about your chart vs the pros. You had an episode with a long driver who said the top of his backswing was when his hands were about hip high on the takeaway. From there and up to top, his momentum was changing directions, which would increase his need to grip it harder to change direction. On the down, the shoulder throw teaching from TGM is verified. A swinger only swings from top to P5, then the club throws out around the corner from the weight of the head. I'd be interested to hear Lee Deitrick's (sp) take on this info. Further, I'd like him to use the info to help you with it. So, we just learned it isn't the knuckle flow stuff, or whatever, that was. It's a shoulder throw. Hands aren't doing it. They are hanging on.
@@tiptopsaidhe Lee was there with us watching us film. He had some interesting thoughts I will share
The drill that Scott Stallings gave Brendon is the best overall golf drill I've ever tried. Increases my speed by a lot, gets weight shift back to lead side and gets hip turn going before hands. I've tried a lot of other stuff and nothing comes close to producing the results of that drill.
Can you tell me what video you're referring to?
“Super Speed Golf” has highlighted a correlation between golf grip strength and clubhead speed with higher grip strength associated with long drive competitors .
They sell a thicker grip trainer which supposedly will help a golfer train a stronger grip
@@davecohn6407 do pull ups and hangs
Brendon, for me, the less grip pressure, the faster I can transfer body angular momentum to the club. Of course, this is my intention, not necessarily what I am actually doing. What are pros actually thinking throughout the swing? Are they figuring out when to hold on to the club for dear life, or just reacting? As always, intentions not apparent. Thanks for your inquiries!
Yess ! Been waiting for this one since a few years hehe 🙏
As you are always on the lookout for new technology: what I would really like to see, know and have is an overlay of my downswing over a pros one, so that I can see where and when his is faster or slower than mine.
That's been the stuff missing from the robot as well: you can feel how the pro swings (more jerky in some places than in real life due to its construction/levers, felt much narrower at top and in transition than I thought and swing) but not at real speeds.
Would love to know how grip sizes affect the ability and easiness of putting the right amount of pressure. Thanks!
A very excellent question
The "baby bird" analogy is just for setup. You don't want to be standing there squeezing the club like Homer choking Bart, but you need to have good grip pressure during the transition from your backswing into your downswing.
Sam Snead was the player who coined the baby bird analogy and he meant it for the address position, sam did pretty well on tour. Also this some teaching put a premium on the trail trigger finger knuckle, its why the finger is separated the knuckle puts a force into the shaft at impact, force is a little different depending on if your hitting driver or wedge. Also this teacher has won on tour and bombs it.
One guess I have is that in P5 position the pros are manipulating the club face (snapping) into hitting position where they release the pressure to increase speed. What do you think???? 🤔
Bird will die after each shot 😂😂😂😂. Love it.
The first graph you show is not what you say it is, look at the numbers they go up through impact which contradicts what you said about P5 being the maximum pressure then falling off through impact. Have I misunderstood this?
Love that the old BS baby bird trope is being trashed! Stronger people have different grip strength!
I think you may be taking that advice too literally. I believe that advice is meant to make sure you don’t get too tight in your body before you swing. I don’t think anyone who gave that advice really thinks when you’re swinging the club in the downswing at 100mph you’re not gripping the club tightly….
Sam Snead was the player who said this and it was for address position. I think Sam did pretty well.
Feel isn't real!
I think 6 mos ago Lee Trevino Fans talked about this in a video....he didn't have data tho
I'm thinking Pro's tighter grip on the way down is what allows/helps the wrists to maintain the angle as opposed to the angle breaking too soon and losing the speed created when the angle releases
Well you have to be in a position to let it go. If you are in a super p5 spot you can relax the hands. If you are way off plane or the face is off you’ll have to strangle it just to make contact
@@BEBETTERGOLFI got an open face issue...
The Redhouse777 page has a couple of my swings
We are mainly talking about the left hand too correct? 14:20
do u notice the re-squeeze?
The difference between lead and trail forces is incorrect.
In an overlap grip, the trail hand is covering and "gripping" the thumb of the lead hand, applying force OVER the lead hand, and essentially only 2 fingers of the trail hand are "gripping" the shaft (because the trail thumb and forefinger are applying almost no grip, at least for skilled players).
How does this device compensate for the fact that much, if not most, of the trail hand gripping force occurs OVER the lead hand thumb ?
Can we see a graph of a baseball swing, where the lead and trail hands do not overlap ?
I would suspect that the forces are much more equivalent.
@@CarlBunchCreditRepair you have to watch the calibration process. He accounts for what you mentioned.
I politely disagree with your assumptions. I can show a lot of baseball bat swings and you will find a lot of similarities in grip pressure patterns.
@@Sensoredge Please post such videos to your channel.
The golf tour pro videos show 60-30, 70-30, 80-20, difference in grip pressure between lead and trail,
but I believe that baseball players will have less of a difference between lead and trail,
because a golf grip trail hand covers the thumb of the lead hand, which creates a misleading difference in grip pressure.
It’s part of the equation
Yall really think the hustler of hustlers was going to give away secrets back then? Not a chance.
Maybe even a bit of misdirection on his part.
I wonder if top tennis players think how tight they hold their rackets,?
@@johnnycooper9287 definitely
At what point does P5 occur in the swing?
@@charlesbartholomew2910 left arm parallel to the ground on way down
@@BEBETTERGOLF Thank you, sir!
This is so interesting. I have found that relaxing around P5 /right thigh I get better shots but my brain still wants to kill the ball.
I think I can get this right but the hardest part is how the grip pressure works in transition so as not to cast the club.
Perhaps a good drill for this is the one where you have a pile of towels or a blanket and you actually let the club go as it hits the rolled up blankets. I have seen a couple of videos where some people have found it makes a big difference to their swing
855 facts
Bird will die after each shot. 😒 🤔 😂😂😂
Maybe just me but not a fan of the AI generated pictures added in, really jarring and takes me out of the good material and info being covered in the video. They're more distracting than helpful
agreed
This might end up being more useful for putting than it is for full swing.
People need to realise the baby bird myth is in fact nonsense. The past meta was to grip it. Tommy Armour said grip it as hard as you can, same with Bobby Jones, especially the leading hand.
Это совершенно бесполезно для всех здесь
No it’s actually quite useful, remember your opinion is not the truth, it is relative