Deb, your music selections for each video are great! I always have to shazam them so I can see who it is. I have found some new music to listen to through you!! Keep it up. Sometime the more non mainstream the better!! Keep up the great work! You to Pat!! ;)
Lol, 5:00 those armchair "equestrians" who had a few pony rides at the county fair think they know enough to tell Pat that a horse in his care is looking skinny. Wow, just wow.
Oh that horse, very demonstrative subject and because of his color and physique, an interesting watch. There appears to be some real intelligence behind those eyes, so-to-say. Only guessing, he’ll attach to one rider and be very loyal but hand him off to another rider and always in the back of your mind, “rider be aware” ?? Can he react around other riders and be calm/relaxed ? What do you think…
Thanks for sharing. If I was to do this by myself, would I just work a while on the left eye & then on the right eye & keep doing this exercise until my horse didn't react?
I adopted a 8 year old Devils Garden Forest Service mustang mare over 2 years ago and she is still wild (can not be approached or haltered). We have 11 other mustangs, but this mare is different. We did rope her and with that neck pressure I was able to kind of sneak a halter on her last December. I have been working with her about an hour a day to get her to let me touch her and extend that touch. I can never get her to just let me approach her, I have to give her a tug on a long lead line attached to her halter to get close. In May, she bolted into me when her off eye caught my little finger cross her topline as I was scratching her back, standing just behind her front right leg, close to her. She clobbered me, knocking me hard to the ground and kicking me as she passed over me. The thing is that she could have gone forward, but instead went right into me. That was two months ago and I am still hurting from the fall, my tailbone, my back, my neck...she has taken away a lot of my confidence. I cut her halter off after a few brief sessions, and have not worked with her since. She has become more wild again. We can not get anywhere near her in her 24 by 24 foot pen, although she will come up for a handful of grass, but we can not walk up to her. Sometimes her approach will turn into a spook and she leaves instead of taking the grass. Other times she just refuses to come to you. She will never let you go up to her without that rope pressure. I have no idea why. If we rope her, we can pull her around, but not tie her or usually halter her. I have used a cane pole, done some rope tossing at her like you were doing, and moved her around her small paddock. Nothing seems to get her over her fear. I have an opportunity to send her to a wild horse sanctuary. Should I give up and take the offer? TR
You got a wild horse when she was 6 years old. I don’t understand why people want to adopt these older horses rather than getting a weanling or yearling where you might stand a chance. Even if you were able to get her started, she will never be reliable. There will always be a part of her that will choose to hurt you to preserve herself. Send her to the sanctuary. There are a lot of nice horses out there that you can spend your time with and not worry about dying.
@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you so much for your reply. I wish I had known more before I took her on. I watched youtubers who had such successful outcomes that I just thought I could do it too. I think this mustang is wild as they come. She will do well in a sanctuary. Take care!
@@TMarie-eb8rt Not everything you see on RUclips is accurate and many people leave out a lot of important information. Keep that in mind whenever you see something on RUclips. Watch for edits and cuts. And of course there are some things that just cannot be learned by watching a video. You're making a good choice for both of you.
@@PatnDebPuckett Thanks for your advice. We drove her out to the Black Hills Wild Horse Sanctuary this week. A part of me is sad, but I also know that it was best for her...and probably for me too. It was still hard to do since I had put so much time in to try to gentle her. You helped me make a tough decision a bit easier. Thank you!
Would it be detrimental to do this exercise in a round pen with the horse able to move off as opposed to tying him.? Would you get the same result eventually ? I guess what i am asking is, does the tying make a difference in the outcome of this step in nis training? Thanks if you can explain. I have never done well with fearful horses.
I am left handed! Pat wanted me to get comfortable with both hands as I’m going to focus on roping with my right in the interest of consistency. Pitiful is kind for where I am today, but hope springs eternal!
At what point in training shoould a horse be relaxed about being caught? I find they can be a little standoffish when they know I want to work with them.
Anybody that has raise a lot of horses knows that horses often get their temperament from their genetics, not from abuse. I get pretty tired of fools that think every horse with a touch me not attitude has been abused . It’s always people that have worked with a small handful of horses and think that somehow makes them an expert . Why don’t you people listen to someone who has started hundreds or even thousands of colts and try to learn what the teacher has to say for once and maybe there’d be a chance of a snowball in hell of you getting past your ignorance .
Old fashioned style ,a human predator dominating a confined prey animal, aggravating all its natural instincts until the exhausted animal submits. Just because he can. This horse may eventually become inured to this, and put up a wall for protection. It will obey you,, but it will never bond to you, never try it's best for you, never be glad to be around you. Never give it's trust to you, willingly and gladly. And you will never be able to fully trust it. It will remember every time you made it flinch, forever. Prey animals understand predators completely. Their lives have always depended on it.
That’s pretty cheap talk when you have no content showing your methods on your channel. Our horses are our working partners. They trust us. They understand the job we do and do it willingly. If we didn’t trust each other, we couldn’t do the things that we need to do such as doctoring cattle in the open with just a horse and a rope. We also get at least a dozen calls every year about horses that we have worked with who have not freaked out and injured themselves or their riders when they get tangled in brambles or reports of horses that have stood for hours with a foot caught in a fence without injury. When you can post a video showing your results, we can have a conversation.
Damn you're ignorant. Working cowboys don't have time to fart around bribing Butter Cup with carrots and soft talk. They have a job to do. That horse will turn out just fine.
When you can sit parked on a horse without pulling on it's mouth and your horse has a relaxed body, someone may actually care about your opinion. Your profile photo exposes your lack of knowledge and skills 😂
Would you trust somone who approaches you silently not one word with a rope making eye contact but not trying to communicate with you. NO people forcs animals to read them with no help THATS THE HATD AND LONG WAY.
Interesting y'all, would like to know his backstory on what made him so fearful? Keep going to Group, its taking the tarnish off. Might just turn you into a woke cowboy some day y'all?
„ive been going to group over my social skills - it aint workin“ 😂😂
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This Man is very Wise .
Some of us could stand to have our ribs show .
Thanks for not turning your comments off 😂
This guy is awesome 😊
Thank you Pat for your kind words about Rick. Like you he was one of the last real ones. Love to you and Deb.
All well said!!! Much wisdom!!!
Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Deb, your music selections for each video are great! I always have to shazam them so I can see who it is. I have found some new music to listen to through you!! Keep it up. Sometime the more non mainstream the better!! Keep up the great work! You to Pat!! ;)
I'm not going in with a soft brush- priceless
Thank you for the explanation of how the horses think, and love all the stories.
Always great info
Sorry for the loss of your friend. Good words of wisdom at the end of your video.
Like your methods up here in Minnesota iam Kent I like the cowboy way thanks pat and Deb
Great instruction, thanks
Thanks Pat. This is exactly what I'm dealing with with one of mine.
My condolences on the loss of your friend.
Thanks for another wise lesson. I always look forward to your videos. Keep Smiling and Stay Grateful
❤love the video...GOD BLESS 🙏
Top shelf ! Thank You.
Thanks for your teaching. I look forward to your next video with this horse.
Sorry for the loss of your friend. The good ones always go too soon.
I love you guys!
😂😂😂 the horse was watching you walking back and forth in his steps with his ear up just watching 😂😂😂😂
He definitely reacted differently to you and Gabby!
Enjoy learning from you thank you
Adorable horse!❤ and you're doing this because??!!??
Thank you again
Lol, 5:00 those armchair "equestrians" who had a few pony rides at the county fair think they know enough to tell Pat that a horse in his care is looking skinny. Wow, just wow.
Oh that horse, very demonstrative subject and because of his color and physique, an interesting watch. There appears to be some real intelligence behind those eyes, so-to-say. Only guessing, he’ll attach to one rider and be very loyal but hand him off to another rider and always in the back of your mind, “rider be aware” ?? Can he react around other riders and be calm/relaxed ? What do you think…
I wish I had his wisdom with my lunit mare 😅
Thanks for sharing. If I was to do this by myself, would I just work a while on the left eye & then on the right eye & keep doing this exercise until my horse didn't react?
I don’t know who Spotted Fever is? You mean Homer?
I adopted a 8 year old Devils Garden Forest Service mustang mare over 2 years ago and she is still wild (can not be approached or haltered). We have 11 other mustangs, but this mare is different. We did rope her and with that neck pressure I was able to kind of sneak a halter on her last December. I have been working with her about an hour a day to get her to let me touch her and extend that touch. I can never get her to just let me approach her, I have to give her a tug on a long lead line attached to her halter to get close. In May, she bolted into me when her off eye caught my little finger cross her topline as I was scratching her back, standing just behind her front right leg, close to her. She clobbered me, knocking me hard to the ground and kicking me as she passed over me. The thing is that she could have gone forward, but instead went right into me. That was two months ago and I am still hurting from the fall, my tailbone, my back, my neck...she has taken away a lot of my confidence. I cut her halter off after a few brief sessions, and have not worked with her since. She has become more wild again. We can not get anywhere near her in her 24 by 24 foot pen, although she will come up for a handful of grass, but we can not walk up to her. Sometimes her approach will turn into a spook and she leaves instead of taking the grass. Other times she just refuses to come to you. She will never let you go up to her without that rope pressure. I have no idea why. If we rope her, we can pull her around, but not tie her or usually halter her. I have used a cane pole, done some rope tossing at her like you were doing, and moved her around her small paddock. Nothing seems to get her over her fear. I have an opportunity to send her to a wild horse sanctuary. Should I give up and take the offer? TR
You got a wild horse when she was 6 years old. I don’t understand why people want to adopt these older horses rather than getting a weanling or yearling where you might stand a chance. Even if you were able to get her started, she will never be reliable. There will always be a part of her that will choose to hurt you to preserve herself. Send her to the sanctuary. There are a lot of nice horses out there that you can spend your time with and not worry about dying.
@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you so much for your reply. I wish I had known more before I took her on. I watched youtubers who had such successful outcomes that I just thought I could do it too. I think this mustang is wild as they come. She will do well in a sanctuary. Take care!
@@TMarie-eb8rt Not everything you see on RUclips is accurate and many people leave out a lot of important information. Keep that in mind whenever you see something on RUclips. Watch for edits and cuts. And of course there are some things that just cannot be learned by watching a video. You're making a good choice for both of you.
@@PatnDebPuckett Thanks for your advice. We drove her out to the Black Hills Wild Horse Sanctuary this week. A part of me is sad, but I also know that it was best for her...and probably for me too. It was still hard to do since I had put so much time in to try to gentle her. You helped me make a tough decision a bit easier. Thank you!
Alot of decisions have to do with what you believe is best for the horse everyone is going to have a way they believe is best😊
Would it be detrimental to do this exercise in a round pen with the horse able to move off as opposed to tying him.? Would you get the same result eventually ? I guess what i am asking is, does the tying make a difference in the outcome of this step in nis training? Thanks if you can explain. I have never done well with fearful horses.
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Is Gabby a novice horse owner?
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Is Gabby left handed? She is coiling left handed and throwing left handed? Throwing right handed might be easier.
I am left handed! Pat wanted me to get comfortable with both hands as I’m going to focus on roping with my right in the interest of consistency. Pitiful is kind for where I am today, but hope springs eternal!
@@gab2hell Gotcha. Excellent work.
At what point in training shoould a horse be relaxed about being caught? I find they can be a little standoffish when they know I want to work with them.
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WHY ?
Anybody that has raise a lot of horses knows that horses often get their temperament from their genetics, not from abuse.
I get pretty tired of fools that think every horse with a touch me not attitude has been abused . It’s always people that have worked with a small handful of horses and think that somehow makes them an expert .
Why don’t you people listen to someone who has started hundreds or even thousands of colts and try to learn what the teacher has to say for once and maybe there’d be a chance of a snowball in hell of you getting past your ignorance .
Flag work is your friend
Im a bad horseman. Just wouldn't ever want a horse like that,
Old fashioned style ,a human predator dominating a confined prey animal, aggravating all its natural instincts until the exhausted animal submits. Just because he can. This horse may eventually become inured to this, and put up a wall for protection. It will obey you,, but it will never bond to you, never try it's best for you, never be glad to be around you. Never give it's trust to you, willingly and gladly. And you will never be able to fully trust it. It will remember every time you made it flinch, forever. Prey animals understand predators completely. Their lives have always depended on it.
That’s pretty cheap talk when you have no content showing your methods on your channel. Our horses are our working partners. They trust us. They understand the job we do and do it willingly. If we didn’t trust each other, we couldn’t do the things that we need to do such as doctoring cattle in the open with just a horse and a rope. We also get at least a dozen calls every year about horses that we have worked with who have not freaked out and injured themselves or their riders when they get tangled in brambles or reports of horses that have stood for hours with a foot caught in a fence without injury. When you can post a video showing your results, we can have a conversation.
Damn you're ignorant. Working cowboys don't have time to fart around bribing Butter Cup with carrots and soft talk. They have a job to do. That horse will turn out just fine.
This should be called. How NOT to rehabilitate a fearful horse. Poor horse.
When you can sit parked on a horse without pulling on it's mouth and your horse has a relaxed body, someone may actually care about your opinion. Your profile photo exposes your lack of knowledge and skills 😂
LoL, so true.@@michaelmccaffrey2731
You have no clue what kind of foundation this brings out for a successful solid mount.
Would you trust somone who approaches you silently not one word with a rope making eye contact but not trying to communicate with you. NO people forcs animals to read them with no help THATS THE HATD AND LONG WAY.
Interesting y'all, would like to know his backstory on what made him so fearful? Keep going to Group, its taking the tarnish off. Might just turn you into a woke cowboy some day y'all?
Sorry for the loss of your friend.