the more she absorbs the faster her matrix goes down, THEN she’s has a cooldown till it refills. It should not be able to eat a reaper or hog. That or just make her more counterable
reduce her matrix time to 2.5 secs increase matrix base cooldown to 5 secs(kinda like sigma cooldown) reduce micro missiles damage so it doesn't guarantee a dead squishy in one charge increase cooldown for micro missiles reduce jet propulsion to 70%(optional) increase spread on micro missiles so most shots don't directly hit
Man, I can't wait to play the next flavor of the month tank after DVA is nerfed... At least DVA is fun to play as a tank compared to other choices: Mauga/Hog/Orisa. I miss when you won the game with your skill and not which character you play.
I like to play dva and dont feel shes that bad in lower ranks but since a lot of higher ranks are complaining then everyone follows suit. Just gonna be infinitely more frustrating when hog, orisa or mauga is meta again instead
@@storm___ it's almost as if another tank is supposed to be there. Ppl will say "DoubLe ShiEld NonOnoNo!" 2 things bad balance and people will be people they'll want to win no matter what.
say what you want about dva meta. none of it is worse than being hooked, stunned from spear, pushed around with a spin spear, rocked, punched, knocked around by wb, etc...shes the only tank with no annoying cc
So many in the community said OW is fun when DVA, Winston, and Rein are the meta. Now look at what's happening, especially in the lower ranks, these tanks have become a frustration. Yes, I would rather have these tanks as meta over Orisa, Hog, and Mauga, but my point is that most tanks if not all are unfun when they're busted and meta
That's kind of a consequence of 5v5 though. Everything now centers around tank, and solo-tanking doesn't function unless tanks are gigabuffed. Thus no matter which tank is meta, they'll be hated for it. Otherwise the role is weak and feels bad to play, and we got back to pre-S9 where tank players complained about how bad tanking felt.
@@rspy24 well that’s cuz bronze-silver dvas walk into the enemy team 1v5 and instantly get rolled over… I think when they’re talking about dva being really annoying in low elo they’re talking about like gold-plat ish
The problem with Dva is that she's too tanky. She has high damage, mobility, an extra life, and a ability that lets her eat a majority of the damage in the game. You cant justify her being uber tanky when she has so much stacked in her favor.
Good, after buffing Orisa again for no reason, when she’s actually a sleeper pick rn that’s almost on par with the Meta tanks, they deserve it. Seriously whose idea was that?
@@illusioncat556 Orisa is hot garbage lol. She's one of the worst tanks in comp, with a WR of 46% in GM (compare that to Reinhardt with 53% WR, and Wrecking Ball with 56% WR), and, as a Rein main, is one of the weakest tanks in the game. She can't peel very well, she's easy to completely ignore, and she's helpless against high-burst damage heroes like Junkrat, or high damage overall heroes like Reaper or Bastion. Believe me, she needed a buff.
Im a rein main. Dva doesnt scare me. Dvas are comfort food for me and i love when dvas make it easy to charge their ult away and block it. Makes me happy. 😊
Dva main for tank here. I feel the same way about rein, he’s my comfort food as well. Blocking firestrikes and flying away when he tries to pin me is fun. I have so much more mobility than rein that I can more easily dive the backline without having to worry about “HAAAAAH!!”, or the stupid bubble, or the punchy-punchy transformer, or the bowling ball who will dive my backline while I dive theirs.
I’m sorry to say this but you are definitely plat. Rein against a dva on 90% of the maps is a terrible matchup. I’m a masters Rein 1 trick and dva just makes the game miserable. She eats all your fire strikes completely removing reins long range abilties. She can just fly away from you every 3 seconds/take high ground…
@@ZomeyEditz yeah that's fair I usually get dvas that just feed the whole game and sit right in front of us. One dva dropped her bomb in the corner the other day. It was so bad. A really good dva tho is honestly insane. I usually just play smarter and charge less. Try and protect my team so they can get the kills. I get more worried about ram, mauga, and orisa in my elo.
@@JA-kr1lz guess my rank and it's cool I prob will never see what's a masters dva looks like anyways. Dvas in my elo most of the time just feed, don't have that much game sense, or they're prioritization is crap. In my elo I have more problems with ram, orisa, and mauga
The other thing annoying about dva, the fact she lives after demech is like her having a second chance at life. All her survival tools plus living after losing mech. If she gets her mech back in time she can kill you up close….
I like this dive meta more than others. Champs are balanced remarkably well considering what the game is. The key with DVA is her ability to easily burst down squishys with her missiles. My friend is a main tank(so am I to an extent) and first thing he does is lock in DVA and says man I feel like DVA just blows up squishys way too easily. He doesn't even pay attention to the meta or top 500 and what people play. It's pretty easy to call out though. If they reduced her missile damage a bit to where good supports or dps have a chance to survive the dive I think the game would be balanced.
Pharah used to be a difficult hero to play in to a Dva, but since the rework its actually a pretty good matchup. As long as you save your jet dash for when she tries to focus burn you, she cant do much.
Cant take any 1v1s. Dva just flies into your face with her 7sec dm. Reaper ult? Useless. Cass ult? Useless. Mercy ult? Useless. Mauga passive? Useless. Cardiac? Useless. Grav? Useless. Mei ult? Useless. Bastion? Useless.
@@ncm-uz6fm IG I'll break it down. The ultimate ability used by Ms. Ziegler has been deemed irrelevant due to Dva's high lvl of mobility and burst dmg.
The dva problem is she has a full kit she has a sheild in dm a lot of movement and also burst damage. They have to nerf at least one aspect and make the other more her personality like rein shield. My hot take is she's one of the only balanced characters in Ow because she has a full kit whereas every other character has an obvious weakness. Some are slow and hit hard some poke some move fast. But if she plays her cards right dva has an answer.some chars in certain situations are literally helpless. If you want the game to be more skill based then everyone need a more rounded kit so the better player not character wins the fight...with that being said i get i may be the odd man out here
Maura you can control with a diva . They literally can’t do anything. Orisa isn’t all that. Medal ranks you see value with these heroes but dva in high elo is an issue. Especially someone who knows DVA very well
Dva as tank is okay but i guess dps and support hates her meta while for orisa its the opposite dps and support players love when she is meta while tanks are miserable
Meeeeh.. So tired with with dva drama. At least tanks players have fun with dva and the rest of us can actually kill 90% of the dva players. Do we forget old tanks meta? Come on people.
Noooooo. They have completly different roles. Ball is for displacment, distraction and flanking. Dva is for peel, high ground domination, countering specific abbilities and generally being quite tanky.
This is ridiculous. I haven't played the game for 2-3 years. Just came into to Overwatch 2 for the first time and noticed that DVA is still unkillable and is still a problem??? WTF, why is she not balanced yet? Since Overwatch launched there was not a single time when DVA was not a meta!
Idk I get these points but if you just return her wider spread and or just reduce missile dmg she’s fine. Also speed should prob be reduced for her with Juno ring.
Its not just Dva. We are in a situation, where almost all tanks are a problem, that cant be balanced in 5vs5. The only „weak“ tanks right now are Hog and Zarya and even those are not „bad“ if you compare them to the full hero roster. They are just the worst tanks. They have to bring down all other tanks to Zaryas Powerlevel. But that isnt directly possible, because the kits are too different. Dva and Winston aspecially are tanks that either feel massively OP or just useless. But even the other tanks have a huge potential to just get broken with small buffs. Im at a point where I think none of the tanks can be „balanced“. Aspecially in 5vs5. But if we go back to 6vs6 they have to make tanks so extremely weak because you have 2 of them that probably no one wants to play them. Then we are back at 1 hour queue times. Gamedesign is straight up trash.
I hate how Balancing team never have the balls to nerf the character into oblivion in order to shift the meta. Most of the patch notes these days are either .5 damage changes, changing rate of fire, changing damage dropoff range or just a small countdown tweaks.
imagine having a hero that disables everyone elses skill with the press of a button. Feels great to be at the receiving end of it. Not to mention shes unkillable. Such an annoying character
I hate mauga, hog and Orisa meta but at least back then i felt like i had more freedom on what i could play. Almost Every game its play mei, Zarya, Symmetra, Reaper, brig, Moira or lose. They dont even hard counter Dva, a decent Dva can play around them. It’s genuinely so frustrating and boring that it feels like 80% of the hero’s don’t get to play the game against Dva. She rushes in with boosters past your tank holds DM, feeds you micro missles, Dm goes down no way you get through the armor, takes you out then she gets to leave for free because her cooldowns are so low and health so high it’s hard to punish. I rarely play Dva but even I can stomp teams if they don’t counterswap me but even if they do I can avoid them because all dvas “counters are super immobile compared to her. I’ve been a Dva hater since OW1 I’m praying whatever nerfs they eventually give her put her 6 feet under until they bring back 6v6 or rework her.
Goes to ahow 5v5 broke more then it fixed. She was easier to balance as an off tank butt now they need to make her effective as a solo which she was never designed for. Couple of tanks from ow1 feel this way. Best they can do is come up with a rework imo.
Brah its sooo simple Look there are 3 reasons why she is hard meta 1. Her tankyness 2. Her dmg 3. Juno speed ring If u nerf one or two of those thing boom she isnt meta anymore and then we are back to shooting a ram with so much armor. Yay at least dva is gone only for mauga or roadhog to be meta again but hey yall wanted this.
Great video, didn’t see your other one yet but zero mention of: 1: OW1 being left to die for 3 years while blizzard “makes” OW2 2: OW2 comes out as a buggy mess with less features than the original (player cards, player borders, on fire system, competitive rewards, stats from OW1, find group system, and other shit I can’t remember.) 3. OW2 “moving” to 5v5, butchering an entire role that only worked through synergizing with other tanks who made up for each others weaknesses, only to make Overwatch 2 pvp appear different than Overwatch 1, and because the new shittier game engine couldn’t handle 6v6. 4: Locking new heroes in the battlepass when before we had them for free. Essentially making a game(OW2) that is far more reliant on hero swapping than its original that relied on team play and strategy(OW1). 5: Removing the OW1 game client, forcing you to play Overwatch 2 which is now so much different and removed from the first game due to the balance and reworks fundamentally changing characters on a seasonal model. I often ask “if they were confident in the success of Overwatch 2, why would they shut down OW1?” And the answer is because of money. 6: Poor game balance and. The devs still have yet to fix counterswapping. They have yet to separate the sweatiness of competitive from quick play because the modes are too similar. I often queue up a warm up for comp in quick play and my friends and I lock in and forget that it’s just quick play! They just don’t see that counterswapping sucks sooooo bad for tank and dps players and it makes the game so much harder and less fun and it can only be solved by mitigating the value of swaps with one extra player. 7: Poor game direction. It is now 2 years into ow2 and the devs get a round of applause for adding features to OW2 that were in OW1 for yearssss. One example is the ranked system, which was shit for a year and a half and they finally made it the same as OW1 BUT WORSE because you can’t see your peak number or try to aim for it. Are we going to applaud the devs for adding player cards at the end of the match like in OW1 instead of just bringing you to you fucking battlepass progression that nobody gives a shit about because battlepasses are garbage and outdated just like how loot boxes were in 2016. Another feature they added are these weird hero mastery icons that nobody understand and don’t make sense and are small and have no impact on anything. I don’t understand why they don’t add player borders back, maybe the shitty engine can’t handle it yet so they added a dinky little icon to show at the end of each match that only applies to one character for a game that requires you to swap multiple times a match. 8: No new features, where tf is the clan system, tournament system, workshop game engine updates, community support, path to pro system, or any other type of social interaction in the game that isn’t just randoms yelling at either to get off their favorite hero’s in the match chat???? 9: As someone who played the game for years, loves the gameplay, but was there for all of the ups and downs I seriously don’t understand how people don’t see all of the glaring issues or remember all of the ways OW has dumpstered its player base when there’s games out there that are 10x better and are less expensive than an Ana mythic butt plug weapon charm in this game. It’s still my favorite game but like god damn.
Junker queen and ram meta I could see people like. Nobody wants rein though. Definitely nobody wants orisa, hog, zarya, mauga meta. I’ll take dva Winston over anything though. I’m ngl though I think ball is way harder to kill than dva anyway
Okay guys pretty unpopular opinion which I didn’t think was.. this is the best meta of ow2 for me personally… (keep in mind I play support and tank not dps) I know ppl hate being dove but in low ranks it’s really not that effective going a group up brawl comp will usually win but for the first time both brawl and dive feel viable down there… poke is kinda dead but in my personal opinion poke is the least fun ow comp as it doesn’t really utilize what makes ow unique like standing at a distance and shooting people to keep them off an objective that’s like… every shooter. And in high ranks sure it’s DIVE DIVE DIVE but also the “high rank go to’s” are all mostly viable. Yall love Winston (he’s great) dva is fun to play as even if not against her, all the viable supports are fun (Juno, Ana, Lucio, (kinda kiriko and bap) and none of the really toxic tanks that ppl hate like Mauga, orisa, roadhog are all not very viable. I don’t know how rough dps is with hits and mostly sucking but Ashe is viable if u want hit scan and ppl love tracer, not to mention picks like reaper, and venture are pretty good which hasn’t happened in like ever. Idk this meta feels so different and I get it may not be to everyone’s taste but I genuinely think they shook it up and made it fresh (also Idk if it’s cause ppl at my rank are just shitty but if I get a tiny peel from my other support I usually find myself able to sneak in a sleep dart on the dm cooldown)
I don't really care because she has enough counters. Things are ok being broken as long as they have enough counter play which she does... They can even buff Genji, he has enough counters and checks. I came from playing Pokemon and I'm used to constant switching... Gen 8 DOU Kyrem-Black was allowed because of how relevant the Tapus and Heatran were enough counter play to allow a broken character.
just bring 6vs6 back 6vs6 is really good they just have to make shields weaker by giving them higher cooldowns and then its all good and fun and if you kill 6 players you feel far better than if you kill 5 its just more fun
Honestly they wouldn't even need to tweak shields that much, double shield happened specifically because of Orisa and Sigma. Orisa doesn't have a shield anymore, so double shield literally can't happen anymore if the game was 6v6.
tbh 90% of your points are just any dive tank ever--- the higher kill potential is the one reason shes currently better than winston. Id rather have a dva, winston or even doom meta than orisa, hog, mauga, or zarya meta, because the tank is fun to play as and not really as frustrating to play against comparatively to the others when theyre meta. All of the mobility, survivability and focus potential is also basically on every dive tank, dva's just better at killing fast than the other tanks*.
Let's see... Could make her have to reload Her cooldowns are too fast Make it so she can't fly and extend her DM at the same time. Look at Soldier 76. Dude can't walk and chew gum at the same time Ulting AFTER her mech is destroyed is just dumb Speaking of Ult, hers should be able to be countered like many others. With a Sombra hack or Lucio/Pharah knockback or something like that
@@chrisrudi9166 I agree with most of this except for making her ult counterable. Remech you can already stun/hack her out of and bomb is literally only a zoning tool because you have like a year to find cover before dying.
I genuinely LOVE Dva. Always have since OW1. She was my go to as an off tank. I defended her a lot out of my personal bias. BUT she should never be meta as a main tank, especially in 5v5.
@@Fairy-Uvinq The only way you’re playing on a console against/with pc players is if you’re in a custom game with them, you’re grouping together outside of competitive mode with one, or you think they’re PC when they’re ximming on console.
@@comedial6829 zarya, hog hook, sigma rock, orisa javelin, ramatra punches, winston or just any hero that can get behind the enemy, as her matrix is now 360°
I love dva. I love playing her, playing with her, and playing into her. She creates an enjoyabel meta. Her and sigma are two of the healthiest tank imo.
Realize how Dva wasn’t an issue before Juno. Let’s look at the bigger picture.. most frustrating meta?? Mauga was the most frustrating.. the people complaining are the people who refuse to counter swap. Ur gonna stay on widow/ashe and refuse to switch? Then just don’t complain. This is one of the first time dvas meta in Overwatch 2. It’s been Mauga,Orisa the whole time if I’m not wrong Orisa is meta again 😭 and Dva is fun to play unlike Orisa and mauga. Realize the fun tanks are almost never meta it’s always once again Orisa and Mauga. Again dva wasn’t much of an issue before Juno. Im sure by next season Orisa and Mauga is gonna be meta again. Dont cry and complain when they are meta cuz you guys want it.
I hate the argument of 'if it were 6v6, tanks would have less hp and do less dmg' Who cares. Combined, there wouild be more hp between 2 tanks, there would be more cooldowns to wait out, there would be more dmg to be dished out. In totality, 2 tanks means more HP, dmg, and cooldowns you have to deal with. Yes, individually tanks would be weaker in 6v6, but together they would be stronger and more oppressive
@@TheGameMachineYT the biggest problem with 6v6 was just tank oppression, no? With metas like double shield and goats it doesn’t really make sense to argue that tanks are too oppressive now. The main issue with 5v5 is that tank counter swapping is extremely prevalent and people can just shut down a tank completely in ranked and there’s nothing you can do about it but swap.
1. Remove stacking of all other movement abilities with her rocket booster. 2. Remove the ability to fire missles AND have defense matrix active, make her choose one or the other. It creates a window of choice for her and of opportunity for the enemy. which creates counter-play. 3. If they intend to keep this iteration of her I think that brings her down enough without over buffing the rest against her.
Eats flame strike, eats Moria orbs, hell eats healing grenades from Bap. At least flame strike goes through barriers and shields. Flame strike should at least go through.
Right but not for everyone who isn't playing tank. Like as DPS I'm forced to play a small pool of characters EVERY single game. As they are the only characters who can escape DVA
It’s funny, all the metas that people hate the most are the ones that I end up enjoying the most. Then again most people don’t like me and I don’t like most people
I will take a Dva meta over just about any tank. Maybe a sigma meta would be okay, and possibly a junker Queen meta would be okay. Otherwise dva is the best meta for tank. The rest of the tanks when they are op make life terrible.
agreed--- winston isnt that bad of a meta either and ram is ok as long as its not hard ram meta. Every other tank in the game (yes, including rein--- I genuinely despise rein) makes life miserable when theyre hard meta.
@@XSkimmilkmanX I’m sorry I disagree with rein meta. Nothing against rein mains, but he feels really shit to play against when he’s good unless you’re rein mirroring and trolling. Also he syncs way too well with other annoying characters like weaver, who can just pull the rein out of the enemy backline after he kills one and deny what should’ve been just a free kill on the tank. Plus, imo rein is boring to play as for awhile.
@@ncm-uz6fm I don’t think Rein metas are overwhelming at all. You can just play poke characters with verticality. Just kite him everytime they rush in with Lucio speed
You would've quit the game if you played the game when Doom still had his 3 second punch lol. Doom is the most balanced tank in the game, he's only good if the Doom player is good
People still don’t understand this. Another huge mistake people make is retreating straight backwards when she dives. This sets up a perfect boop in a straight line so all missiles connect. You need to fade left or right when she dives so she has to track missiles.
Yeah, characters like reaper and mei sees a lot of play......because of their freaking healthbar! Not because they are deadlier or troublesome for a dva to deal with, but litterly because their healthpool is so large they dont immediatly fold over.
thats actually not entirely true--- reaper is strong because he basically 2 taps most mobile heroes now with the health change, and mei is just physically painful to deal with as a tank in general--- Id say shes been a sleeper pick for ages. The health bar is a bonus.
@@PandoloFox that’s why they have the health bar? They have no mobility so they have to compensate for it somehow, and the mobile characters are still really strong right now because the meta is basically hyper dive. (IMO they should nerf mei to 275 tho bc she literally has a second life)
@@ncm-uz6fm reaper has a fade and a teleport. Thats more mobility than hanzo, mei has a wall and an invincibility state. They are already quite survivable without the health bar, especialy reaper who life steals as well.
But the main reason they are being played is because of dva. Not because of mobile characters in general but because their large health pool makes it so that dva cant burst them down which is redicolous. The fact they nerfed Winston before dva is just out of this world. Yeah Winston was very good but he didnt insta delete people.
Yeah can we stop whining about dva? She has less than a 53% winrate in gm and about a 51% winrate average. How about we talk about the 56% winrate jq has in gm this last month? Or the fact that rein and jq both have better winrate than dva across all ranks. Please stop falling for ragebait content.
Simply rework her, nerf her mobility a lot, put it on a meter instead of cooldown, give her slime bombs on shift that slow down enemies, make her flight on space or ctrl
Mauga??? He got nerfed so bad that he’s almost unplayable it was like 8 months ago, so no ur just TRASH bcz mauga is so easy to counter and there is no way ur struggling with him, GET GOOD👍
This meta sucks as a tank player who can only not play dva and like hog ig.. but I still will say there hasn’t been and will never be a meta worse than Mauga when he was at his best, at least I can play SOME tanks into dva. Into mauga before it was legit mirror or play sig, or just be against a brain rotted mauga player 🥴
no bc fr normally i play quite a bit but the previous season and this season has genuinely been the most I've been trying not to play BECAUSE of her. Look I play echo I don't honestly have a problem with dva diving me. ITS MY BACKLINE. she is a character you just can't Peel for someone for. She breaks every fundamental skill element about overwatch its sickening. It's just not ok having a tank with 700 armor one shot people and no punishment to circumvent her actions. It's worse than roadhog meta and mauga meta combined shit probably even worse than ow1 brig Meta. Because only time I legit stopped playing a game bc of a meta and character was from ow1 goats meta and now it's happened again with this current season with dva. Stop making easy heroes broken blizzard
@@isikuu.tyrant to be fair she doesn’t actually have a one shot like hog, she’s very vulnerable to cc because she has the hit box of a literal house, and dm is useless against beams so you can pretty easily make her struggle to find value with a swap. She’s still very strong and def needs a nerf, but she’s at least kind of punishable and avoidable unlike hog who could literally oneshot you because you peeked a choke 20m away or Mauga who was just flat out immortal and filled the game with insane amounts of visual clutter
@@xBezerkerrr how is dva any lower skill than Winston? I feel like he’d really be the Moira/weaver of tanks if he was hard meta. And most other tanks are easier to play than Winston even though he requires zero mechanical skill, purely because dive tanks require knowing when to dive and kill squishies and when to frontline and peel. Tanks like Mauga, Orisa, Rein, Zarya, Hog and Ramattra are significantly easier to play than any dive tank if they’re hard meta.
I see your point but there is a massive tank problem as it is. Why can't they just Vault Mauga?? Like game is complicated as it is, they need to bring someone in who can balance the game and stop giving all of these different buffs and nerfs to make the game unbalanced
How would you balance DVA in Overwatch 2?
Nerf everyone
Make her stay as baby Dva
Delete her. Permanently.
the more she absorbs the faster her matrix goes down, THEN she’s has a cooldown till it refills. It should not be able to eat a reaper or hog. That or just make her more counterable
reduce her matrix time to 2.5 secs
increase matrix base cooldown to 5 secs(kinda like sigma cooldown)
reduce micro missiles damage so it doesn't guarantee a dead squishy in one charge
increase cooldown for micro missiles
reduce jet propulsion to 70%(optional)
increase spread on micro missiles so most shots don't directly hit
I think the problem with Dva would be fixed with a nerf to Genji
Yeah genji is too strong rn
Put this man in charge of balancing ASAP!
You’ve exposed yourself! You work for the balance team!
@@andrewclarksmith5152 nuh uh
Its almost like the game was ment to have an extra player.
Man, I can't wait to play the next flavor of the month tank after DVA is nerfed... At least DVA is fun to play as a tank compared to other choices: Mauga/Hog/Orisa. I miss when you won the game with your skill and not which character you play.
I feel this entirely, at this point the hate feels so bandwagoned cause the community seems to love complaining
I like to play dva and dont feel shes that bad in lower ranks but since a lot of higher ranks are complaining then everyone follows suit. Just gonna be infinitely more frustrating when hog, orisa or mauga is meta again instead
@@storm___ it's almost as if another tank is supposed to be there. Ppl will say "DoubLe ShiEld NonOnoNo!" 2 things bad balance and people will be people they'll want to win no matter what.
The only good tank metas are when Rein or Winston are meta. Amen
Orisa is next, I’m calling it because they LOVE power creeping her. GG OW2 this game will never be good.
say what you want about dva meta. none of it is worse than being hooked, stunned from spear, pushed around with a spin spear, rocked, punched, knocked around by wb, etc...shes the only tank with no annoying cc
Ram doesn’t have cc either. Unless you count the slow but then we need to count the boop from dva
So many in the community said OW is fun when DVA, Winston, and Rein are the meta. Now look at what's happening, especially in the lower ranks, these tanks have become a frustration.
Yes, I would rather have these tanks as meta over Orisa, Hog, and Mauga, but my point is that most tanks if not all are unfun when they're busted and meta
At lower ranks dva is super easy to kill.. Wydm?
That's kind of a consequence of 5v5 though. Everything now centers around tank, and solo-tanking doesn't function unless tanks are gigabuffed. Thus no matter which tank is meta, they'll be hated for it. Otherwise the role is weak and feels bad to play, and we got back to pre-S9 where tank players complained about how bad tanking felt.
@@rspy24 well that’s cuz bronze-silver dvas walk into the enemy team 1v5 and instantly get rolled over… I think when they’re talking about dva being really annoying in low elo they’re talking about like gold-plat ish
@@Skycube100 At least Rein is fun to play against, unlike Dva and Winton
@@durchfaIIdefine fun, I fucking hate the dude
The problem with Dva is that she's too tanky. She has high damage, mobility, an extra life, and a ability that lets her eat a majority of the damage in the game. You cant justify her being uber tanky when she has so much stacked in her favor.
@@dorrianbrooks9408 yeah if they converted some armor to base health it’d probably be pretty fair tbh. Maybe make the total health like 700.
Arron Keller more like Helen Keller
Ba dum tss
Too soon
Gotta love that (My main) Bastion's hardest counter D.va is turbo meta. HOORAY
u main bastion so.... try getting a new main
I didn't know people actually mained Bastion lol
As a junkrat conneseur I feel your pain we suffer together
Skill issue, you main Bastion.
Heard more employees at blizzard got fired i honestly wish it was the whole balancing team,alec dawson and arron keller that were fired
Fact
All of this
Good, after buffing Orisa again for no reason, when she’s actually a sleeper pick rn that’s almost on par with the Meta tanks, they deserve it. Seriously whose idea was that?
@@illusioncat556 Orisa is hot garbage lol. She's one of the worst tanks in comp, with a WR of 46% in GM (compare that to Reinhardt with 53% WR, and Wrecking Ball with 56% WR), and, as a Rein main, is one of the weakest tanks in the game. She can't peel very well, she's easy to completely ignore, and she's helpless against high-burst damage heroes like Junkrat, or high damage overall heroes like Reaper or Bastion. Believe me, she needed a buff.
Im a rein main. Dva doesnt scare me. Dvas are comfort food for me and i love when dvas make it easy to charge their ult away and block it. Makes me happy. 😊
Dva main for tank here. I feel the same way about rein, he’s my comfort food as well. Blocking firestrikes and flying away when he tries to pin me is fun. I have so much more mobility than rein that I can more easily dive the backline without having to worry about “HAAAAAH!!”, or the stupid bubble, or the punchy-punchy transformer, or the bowling ball who will dive my backline while I dive theirs.
I’m sorry to say this but you are definitely plat. Rein against a dva on 90% of the maps is a terrible matchup. I’m a masters Rein 1 trick and dva just makes the game miserable. She eats all your fire strikes completely removing reins long range abilties. She can just fly away from you every 3 seconds/take high ground…
@@ZomeyEditz yeah that's fair I usually get dvas that just feed the whole game and sit right in front of us. One dva dropped her bomb in the corner the other day. It was so bad. A really good dva tho is honestly insane. I usually just play smarter and charge less. Try and protect my team so they can get the kills. I get more worried about ram, mauga, and orisa in my elo.
@@JA-kr1lz guess my rank and it's cool I prob will never see what's a masters dva looks like anyways. Dvas in my elo most of the time just feed, don't have that much game sense, or they're prioritization is crap. In my elo I have more problems with ram, orisa, and mauga
And now they’re nerfing beam against dva. Great. Wonder who balances this game, the devs or their children.
nothing like losing that insane amount of hp suit, and then instantly hoping into another one, 2lives at times, seems kind of busted to me.
not to mention her possible 5 kill ultimate, at least 1-2 if you're not dog shiet and that's basically unavoidable.
When dva flies at you i can just hear the classic music jingle from a truck.
Simple fix
When dva summons her mech it crushes her for an insta kill.
Punish players for losing their mech by rushing in.
Dva is absolutely everywhere wtf is even going on?
The other thing annoying about dva, the fact she lives after demech is like her having a second chance at life. All her survival tools plus living after losing mech. If she gets her mech back in time she can kill you up close….
I like this dive meta more than others. Champs are balanced remarkably well considering what the game is. The key with DVA is her ability to easily burst down squishys with her missiles. My friend is a main tank(so am I to an extent) and first thing he does is lock in DVA and says man I feel like DVA just blows up squishys way too easily. He doesn't even pay attention to the meta or top 500 and what people play. It's pretty easy to call out though. If they reduced her missile damage a bit to where good supports or dps have a chance to survive the dive I think the game would be balanced.
There is no "balanced" for DVA that doesn't rework Defense Matrix to not negate SO many abilities.
No man just no… 🤦♂️
Pharah used to be a difficult hero to play in to a Dva, but since the rework its actually a pretty good matchup. As long as you save your jet dash for when she tries to focus burn you, she cant do much.
Cant take any 1v1s. Dva just flies into your face with her 7sec dm. Reaper ult? Useless. Cass ult? Useless. Mercy ult? Useless. Mauga passive? Useless. Cardiac? Useless. Grav? Useless. Mei ult? Useless. Bastion? Useless.
@@sacrificemercy5234 tf you mean mercy ult useless???
@@ncm-uz6fm IG I'll break it down. The ultimate ability used by Ms.
Ziegler has been deemed irrelevant due to Dva's high lvl of mobility and burst dmg.
@@ncm-uz6fm💀💀
Hotel? Trivago.
The dva problem is she has a full kit she has a sheild in dm a lot of movement and also burst damage. They have to nerf at least one aspect and make the other more her personality like rein shield. My hot take is she's one of the only balanced characters in Ow because she has a full kit whereas every other character has an obvious weakness. Some are slow and hit hard some poke some move fast. But if she plays her cards right dva has an answer.some chars in certain situations are literally helpless. If you want the game to be more skill based then everyone need a more rounded kit so the better player not character wins the fight...with that being said i get i may be the odd man out here
Dva is no where near the most frustrating tank meta. Ball orissa hog doom and mauga are all much more frustrating and should never be strong.
mauga is easy to control with no supports he is no one
Ball and Doom are so easy to kill though. I can only think of that one time where Doom was busted when the One Punch Man collab came out.
@@CrackedMidsoles you can shoot them and see yourself doing damage with dva she holds DM and micro missiles and you don't see yourself doing damage
The difference is that dva is unpunishable, zero risk high reward, doom and ball can be counterplayed
Maura you can control with a diva . They literally can’t do anything. Orisa isn’t all that. Medal ranks you see value with these heroes but dva in high elo is an issue. Especially someone who knows DVA very well
It was made as a 6v6 game for one, and there was no freaking role q. 😂
Dva as tank is okay but i guess dps and support hates her meta while for orisa its the opposite dps and support players love when she is meta while tanks are miserable
Meeeeh.. So tired with with dva drama. At least tanks players have fun with dva and the rest of us can actually kill 90% of the dva players. Do we forget old tanks meta? Come on people.
So dva is basically a better ball from what im hearing that is?
Noooooo. They have completly different roles. Ball is for displacment, distraction and flanking. Dva is for peel, high ground domination, countering specific abbilities and generally being quite tanky.
This is ridiculous. I haven't played the game for 2-3 years. Just came into to Overwatch 2 for the first time and noticed that DVA is still unkillable and is still a problem??? WTF, why is she not balanced yet?
Since Overwatch launched there was not a single time when DVA was not a meta!
Idk I get these points but if you just return her wider spread and or just reduce missile dmg she’s fine. Also speed should prob be reduced for her with Juno ring.
Id rather play against double shield than against this
Its not just Dva. We are in a situation, where almost all tanks are a problem, that cant be balanced in 5vs5. The only „weak“ tanks right now are Hog and Zarya and even those are not „bad“ if you compare them to the full hero roster. They are just the worst tanks. They have to bring down all other tanks to Zaryas Powerlevel. But that isnt directly possible, because the kits are too different.
Dva and Winston aspecially are tanks that either feel massively OP or just useless. But even the other tanks have a huge potential to just get broken with small buffs.
Im at a point where I think none of the tanks can be „balanced“. Aspecially in 5vs5.
But if we go back to 6vs6 they have to make tanks so extremely weak because you have 2 of them that probably no one wants to play them. Then we are back at 1 hour queue times. Gamedesign is straight up trash.
I hate how Balancing team never have the balls to nerf the character into oblivion in order to shift the meta. Most of the patch notes these days are either .5 damage changes, changing rate of fire, changing damage dropoff range or just a small countdown tweaks.
I think roadhog orisa and Zarya have all been nerfed to oblivion at one point in overwatch 2s history just to change the meta
yeah that's the job of a balancing team, make things BALANCED not choosing a punching bag for the season
Nerfing a hero into oblivion? I think you and i know the answer to that. Hanzo.
@@demigurlxd5781 all completely deserved--- literally nobody likes when those tanks are meta
1:50 good
What if you wanted to use primary fire or get healed, but DVA said: "Initiating defense matrix!"
imagine having a hero that disables everyone elses skill with the press of a button. Feels great to be at the receiving end of it. Not to mention shes unkillable. Such an annoying character
I hate mauga, hog and Orisa meta but at least back then i felt like i had more freedom on what i could play. Almost Every game its play mei, Zarya, Symmetra, Reaper, brig, Moira or lose. They dont even hard counter Dva, a decent Dva can play around them. It’s genuinely so frustrating and boring that it feels like 80% of the hero’s don’t get to play the game against Dva. She rushes in with boosters past your tank holds DM, feeds you micro missles, Dm goes down no way you get through the armor, takes you out then she gets to leave for free because her cooldowns are so low and health so high it’s hard to punish. I rarely play Dva but even I can stomp teams if they don’t counterswap me but even if they do I can avoid them because all dvas “counters are super immobile compared to her. I’ve been a Dva hater since OW1 I’m praying whatever nerfs they eventually give her put her 6 feet under until they bring back 6v6 or rework her.
Bring back the Junk Queen tank meta -_-
Reminds me of kasante in league😂
I will take a DVa meta over an Orisa meta any day. Orisa is so oppressive, yet so boring to play with/against when she is meta.
OW balancing is so damn funny man, another hero somehow gets "OP" every other month and people cry about it
me: dva is good cause her porche skin :D. zooming in with a car engine sounds so cool and satisfying
Goes to ahow 5v5 broke more then it fixed. She was easier to balance as an off tank butt now they need to make her effective as a solo which she was never designed for. Couple of tanks from ow1 feel this way. Best they can do is come up with a rework imo.
Brah its sooo simple
Look there are 3 reasons why she is hard meta
1. Her tankyness
2. Her dmg
3. Juno speed ring
If u nerf one or two of those thing boom she isnt meta anymore and then we are back to shooting a ram with so much armor. Yay at least dva is gone only for mauga or roadhog to be meta again but hey yall wanted this.
Its almost as if 5v5 makes tank balance impossible wooooow
Great video, didn’t see your other one yet but zero mention of:
1: OW1 being left to die for 3 years while blizzard “makes” OW2
2: OW2 comes out as a buggy mess with less features than the original (player cards, player borders, on fire system, competitive rewards, stats from OW1, find group system, and other shit I can’t remember.)
3. OW2 “moving” to 5v5, butchering an entire role that only worked through synergizing with other tanks who made up for each others weaknesses, only to make Overwatch 2 pvp appear different than Overwatch 1, and because the new shittier game engine couldn’t handle 6v6.
4: Locking new heroes in the battlepass when before we had them for free. Essentially making a game(OW2) that is far more reliant on hero swapping than its original that relied on team play and strategy(OW1).
5: Removing the OW1 game client, forcing you to play Overwatch 2 which is now so much different and removed from the first game due to the balance and reworks fundamentally changing characters on a seasonal model. I often ask “if they were confident in the success of Overwatch 2, why would they shut down OW1?” And the answer is because of money.
6: Poor game balance and. The devs still have yet to fix counterswapping. They have yet to separate the sweatiness of competitive from quick play because the modes are too similar. I often queue up a warm up for comp in quick play and my friends and I lock in and forget that it’s just quick play! They just don’t see that counterswapping sucks sooooo bad for tank and dps players and it makes the game so much harder and less fun and it can only be solved by mitigating the value of swaps with one extra player.
7: Poor game direction. It is now 2 years into ow2 and the devs get a round of applause for adding features to OW2 that were in OW1 for yearssss. One example is the ranked system, which was shit for a year and a half and they finally made it the same as OW1 BUT WORSE because you can’t see your peak number or try to aim for it. Are we going to applaud the devs for adding player cards at the end of the match like in OW1 instead of just bringing you to you fucking battlepass progression that nobody gives a shit about because battlepasses are garbage and outdated just like how loot boxes were in 2016. Another feature they added are these weird hero mastery icons that nobody understand and don’t make sense and are small and have no impact on anything. I don’t understand why they don’t add player borders back, maybe the shitty engine can’t handle it yet so they added a dinky little icon to show at the end of each match that only applies to one character for a game that requires you to swap multiple times a match.
8: No new features, where tf is the clan system, tournament system, workshop game engine updates, community support, path to pro system, or any other type of social interaction in the game that isn’t just randoms yelling at either to get off their favorite hero’s in the match chat????
9: As someone who played the game for years, loves the gameplay, but was there for all of the ups and downs I seriously don’t understand how people don’t see all of the glaring issues or remember all of the ways OW has dumpstered its player base when there’s games out there that are 10x better and are less expensive than an Ana mythic butt plug weapon charm in this game. It’s still my favorite game but like god damn.
I'm pretty convinced single tank is just ass
Junker queen and ram meta I could see people like. Nobody wants rein though. Definitely nobody wants orisa, hog, zarya, mauga meta. I’ll take dva Winston over anything though. I’m ngl though I think ball is way harder to kill than dva anyway
Everyone play Dva
Me trying Doomfist and fail again again 😂
I play Ashe so I understand the isolation at times
Okay guys pretty unpopular opinion which I didn’t think was.. this is the best meta of ow2 for me personally… (keep in mind I play support and tank not dps) I know ppl hate being dove but in low ranks it’s really not that effective going a group up brawl comp will usually win but for the first time both brawl and dive feel viable down there… poke is kinda dead but in my personal opinion poke is the least fun ow comp as it doesn’t really utilize what makes ow unique like standing at a distance and shooting people to keep them off an objective that’s like… every shooter. And in high ranks sure it’s DIVE DIVE DIVE but also the “high rank go to’s” are all mostly viable. Yall love Winston (he’s great) dva is fun to play as even if not against her, all the viable supports are fun (Juno, Ana, Lucio, (kinda kiriko and bap) and none of the really toxic tanks that ppl hate like Mauga, orisa, roadhog are all not very viable. I don’t know how rough dps is with hits and mostly sucking but Ashe is viable if u want hit scan and ppl love tracer, not to mention picks like reaper, and venture are pretty good which hasn’t happened in like ever. Idk this meta feels so different and I get it may not be to everyone’s taste but I genuinely think they shook it up and made it fresh (also Idk if it’s cause ppl at my rank are just shitty but if I get a tiny peel from my other support I usually find myself able to sneak in a sleep dart on the dm cooldown)
Holy rage bait 💀
I don't really care because she has enough counters. Things are ok being broken as long as they have enough counter play which she does... They can even buff Genji, he has enough counters and checks.
I came from playing Pokemon and I'm used to constant switching... Gen 8 DOU Kyrem-Black was allowed because of how relevant the Tapus and Heatran were enough counter play to allow a broken character.
Holy rage bait 💀
just bring 6vs6 back 6vs6 is really good they just have to make shields weaker by giving them higher cooldowns and then its all good and fun and if you kill 6 players you feel far better than if you kill 5 its just more fun
Honestly they wouldn't even need to tweak shields that much, double shield happened specifically because of Orisa and Sigma. Orisa doesn't have a shield anymore, so double shield literally can't happen anymore if the game was 6v6.
great video mills, explained the diva saga well, one of the darkest times. :)
tbh 90% of your points are just any dive tank ever--- the higher kill potential is the one reason shes currently better than winston. Id rather have a dva, winston or even doom meta than orisa, hog, mauga, or zarya meta, because the tank is fun to play as and not really as frustrating to play against comparatively to the others when theyre meta. All of the mobility, survivability and focus potential is also basically on every dive tank, dva's just better at killing fast than the other tanks*.
She.. eats.. everything…
Let's see...
Could make her have to reload
Her cooldowns are too fast
Make it so she can't fly and extend her DM at the same time. Look at Soldier 76. Dude can't walk and chew gum at the same time
Ulting AFTER her mech is destroyed is just dumb
Speaking of Ult, hers should be able to be countered like many others. With a Sombra hack or Lucio/Pharah knockback or something like that
@@chrisrudi9166 I agree with most of this except for making her ult counterable. Remech you can already stun/hack her out of and bomb is literally only a zoning tool because you have like a year to find cover before dying.
Well, hope your happy.
I don’t mind Dva I can kill a Dva I can’t kill a Roadhog or Mauga or an Orisa cuz these guys just don’t die
Always love your vids my man
Idk how it is on pc but dva keeps hitscan in check once she is out gg it become whoever had the better widow or ashe wins
I genuinely LOVE Dva. Always have since OW1. She was my go to as an off tank. I defended her a lot out of my personal bias.
BUT she should never be meta as a main tank, especially in 5v5.
She is way to hot bro like my gf broke up with me just for looking at pics of dva
Nerf her back to her ow1 variant and add 6v6 back bam 💥
Dva is so easy to play
I’m on consoles high masters and I rarely ever see dva. And when I do, the other tank just counters with zarya or ram and they get off dva
console dvas do not move like pc
@@ronald6563i mean, isn't there crossplay?
@@Fairy-Uvinq not unless you’re in group with a pc player
@@ronald6563 i'm pretty sure I've been put with pc players before without being in a group
@@Fairy-Uvinq
The only way you’re playing on a console against/with pc players is if you’re in a custom game with them, you’re grouping together outside of competitive mode with one, or you think they’re PC when they’re ximming on console.
No way dva is more frustrating than mauga
YES SHE IS, her dm is so annoying and boring ability overall and shes so brainless and op, so yea she’s Much more frustrating
You could actually shoot/anti mauga, with Dva you can’t do anything since she mostly eats everything LOL
@@comedial6829 zarya, hog hook, sigma rock, orisa javelin, ramatra punches, winston or just any hero that can get behind the enemy, as her matrix is now 360°
I don't agree on the point that diva has no place in ow2'😑😑
I love dva. I love playing her, playing with her, and playing into her. She creates an enjoyabel meta. Her and sigma are two of the healthiest tank imo.
@@lukeryan1934 I agree! Winston is also not bad, and jq would be really fun. Basically every other tank meta is horrible tho
Realize how Dva wasn’t an issue before Juno. Let’s look at the bigger picture.. most frustrating meta?? Mauga was the most frustrating.. the people complaining are the people who refuse to counter swap. Ur gonna stay on widow/ashe and refuse to switch? Then just don’t complain. This is one of the first time dvas meta in Overwatch 2. It’s been Mauga,Orisa the whole time if I’m not wrong Orisa is meta again 😭 and Dva is fun to play unlike Orisa and mauga. Realize the fun tanks are almost never meta it’s always once again Orisa and Mauga. Again dva wasn’t much of an issue before Juno. Im sure by next season Orisa and Mauga is gonna be meta again. Dont cry and complain when they are meta cuz you guys want it.
I hate the argument of 'if it were 6v6, tanks would have less hp and do less dmg' Who cares. Combined, there wouild be more hp between 2 tanks, there would be more cooldowns to wait out, there would be more dmg to be dished out. In totality, 2 tanks means more HP, dmg, and cooldowns you have to deal with. Yes, individually tanks would be weaker in 6v6, but together they would be stronger and more oppressive
@@SnoozzeYT actually based take ngl
The biggest cope i have read today. Thx
@@TheGameMachineYT the biggest problem with 6v6 was just tank oppression, no? With metas like double shield and goats it doesn’t really make sense to argue that tanks are too oppressive now. The main issue with 5v5 is that tank counter swapping is extremely prevalent and people can just shut down a tank completely in ranked and there’s nothing you can do about it but swap.
1. Remove stacking of all other movement abilities with her rocket booster.
2. Remove the ability to fire missles AND have defense matrix active, make her choose one or the other. It creates a window of choice for her and of opportunity for the enemy. which creates counter-play.
3. If they intend to keep this iteration of her I think that brings her down enough without over buffing the rest against her.
Defense Matrix needs to be nerfed so that it doesn't stop every damn thing. Barriers don't stop everything so DM should not either.
Just bait the DM. and you can destroy a dva. Also, pretty sure barriers stop more things that dm, beam a huge thing.
Eats flame strike, eats Moria orbs, hell eats healing grenades from Bap. At least flame strike goes through barriers and shields. Flame strike should at least go through.
@@verbat1900 bro literally every beam character ever goes through dm but not barriers so you’re just wrong
don't nerf this!
DVA meta is infinitely more fun than Hog, Doom, Ball, Orisa or Mauga meta though lol.
Also in lower ranks DVA generally just gets hard countered.
Right but not for everyone who isn't playing tank. Like as DPS I'm forced to play a small pool of characters EVERY single game. As they are the only characters who can escape DVA
@@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi what rank are you playing in though?
@@AuT0maTe1 I'm top 500 masters 2, I am console though so a bit easier but Xims are everywhere
It’s funny, all the metas that people hate the most are the ones that I end up enjoying the most. Then again most people don’t like me and I don’t like most people
This has to be ragebait
I'm the same way. I don't mind this meta at all. Sigma, Dva and junker Queen meta are just fine by me. Any other tank makes the game terrible.
@alexkennedy7933 he even got his second account to back him up
I will take a Dva meta over just about any tank. Maybe a sigma meta would be okay, and possibly a junker Queen meta would be okay. Otherwise dva is the best meta for tank. The rest of the tanks when they are op make life terrible.
5v5
agreed--- winston isnt that bad of a meta either and ram is ok as long as its not hard ram meta. Every other tank in the game (yes, including rein--- I genuinely despise rein) makes life miserable when theyre hard meta.
Rein/Winston meta are when OW is best
@@XSkimmilkmanX I’m sorry I disagree with rein meta. Nothing against rein mains, but he feels really shit to play against when he’s good unless you’re rein mirroring and trolling. Also he syncs way too well with other annoying characters like weaver, who can just pull the rein out of the enemy backline after he kills one and deny what should’ve been just a free kill on the tank. Plus, imo rein is boring to play as for awhile.
@@ncm-uz6fm I don’t think Rein metas are overwhelming at all. You can just play poke characters with verticality. Just kite him everytime they rush in with Lucio speed
Sorry, no tank meta will ever be worse than Doomfist lmao
Bro is mad he is getting outskilled
You would've quit the game if you played the game when Doom still had his 3 second punch lol. Doom is the most balanced tank in the game, he's only good if the Doom player is good
I’m sorry but no meta is worse than zarya meta. Zarya is the most boring character in the game to play as and play against
Keyshawn Points
DM got nerfed. Here's a tip... don't shot from in front
People still don’t understand this. Another huge mistake people make is retreating straight backwards when she dives. This sets up a perfect boop in a straight line so all missiles connect. You need to fade left or right when she dives so she has to track missiles.
Yeah, characters like reaper and mei sees a lot of play......because of their freaking healthbar! Not because they are deadlier or troublesome for a dva to deal with, but litterly because their healthpool is so large they dont immediatly fold over.
thats actually not entirely true--- reaper is strong because he basically 2 taps most mobile heroes now with the health change, and mei is just physically painful to deal with as a tank in general--- Id say shes been a sleeper pick for ages. The health bar is a bonus.
@@ncm-uz6fm and survives anything the mobile characters does. Without the healthbar those mobile characters would kill them before they could shoot.
@@PandoloFox that’s why they have the health bar? They have no mobility so they have to compensate for it somehow, and the mobile characters are still really strong right now because the meta is basically hyper dive. (IMO they should nerf mei to 275 tho bc she literally has a second life)
@@ncm-uz6fm reaper has a fade and a teleport. Thats more mobility than hanzo, mei has a wall and an invincibility state. They are already quite survivable without the health bar, especialy reaper who life steals as well.
But the main reason they are being played is because of dva. Not because of mobile characters in general but because their large health pool makes it so that dva cant burst them down which is redicolous. The fact they nerfed Winston before dva is just out of this world. Yeah Winston was very good but he didnt insta delete people.
Yeah can we stop whining about dva? She has less than a 53% winrate in gm and about a 51% winrate average. How about we talk about the 56% winrate jq has in gm this last month? Or the fact that rein and jq both have better winrate than dva across all ranks. Please stop falling for ragebait content.
Simply rework her, nerf her mobility a lot, put it on a meter instead of cooldown, give her slime bombs on shift that slow down enemies, make her flight on space or ctrl
@@cookingwitharek9099 L take, we do not want more cc bro
If they got rid of the mini rockets DVA would be fine. Being able to combo them with your primary or matrix is way too much.
Counterargument: DVa is in a freaking mech --- which are notoriously more powerful than people by design.
DVA can’t excel at both defense and offense. It’s ok to have her but they need to nerf matrix, or her damage, then she’ll be fine
yh the damage needs the reduction
Matrix isn’t the problem rn it’s the armor and 25% headshot reduction
@@savage3PC she has that?
The headshot reduction?
@@Bad3abdul yes they gave tanks that back in like season 10 or 11
@@Bad3abdul and less ult charge when shooting them and buffed knockback resistance
Honestly enjoy playing Dva she’s very fun will continue playing her regardless
I’ve literally had no problems with playing dva and playing against dva
Well ofc not, since ur most likely low ranked and aren’t playing against Dva’s who can probably abuse how oppressive her and her kit is lol
@@comedial6829 that makes a lot of sense (I’m silver 2)
Dva is the most fun character for me along with reaper. I would rather she stayed strong lol. Maybe nerf her dmg a tad but do not touch her mobility
Zarya
Dva just seems like Tracer with less skill and consequences plus the best defense in the game
Nerf this ✌
Nobody hates DVa more than Mauga…
Mauga??? He got nerfed so bad that he’s almost unplayable it was like 8 months ago, so no ur just TRASH bcz mauga is so easy to counter and there is no way ur struggling with him, GET GOOD👍
Mauga??? ur just a hog player or Ur just TRASH bcz mauga got nerfed so bad that he’s almost unplayable, get good zawgg😂
This meta sucks as a tank player who can only not play dva and like hog ig.. but I still will say there hasn’t been and will never be a meta worse than Mauga when he was at his best, at least I can play SOME tanks into dva. Into mauga before it was legit mirror or play sig, or just be against a brain rotted mauga player 🥴
no bc fr normally i play quite a bit but the previous season and this season has genuinely been the most I've been trying not to play BECAUSE of her.
Look I play echo I don't honestly have a problem with dva diving me. ITS MY BACKLINE. she is a character you just can't Peel for someone for. She breaks every fundamental skill element about overwatch its sickening. It's just not ok having a tank with 700 armor one shot people and no punishment to circumvent her actions.
It's worse than roadhog meta and mauga meta combined shit probably even worse than ow1 brig Meta. Because only time I legit stopped playing a game bc of a meta and character was from ow1 goats meta and now it's happened again with this current season with dva.
Stop making easy heroes broken blizzard
@@isikuu.tyrant to be fair she doesn’t actually have a one shot like hog, she’s very vulnerable to cc because she has the hit box of a literal house, and dm is useless against beams so you can pretty easily make her struggle to find value with a swap. She’s still very strong and def needs a nerf, but she’s at least kind of punishable and avoidable unlike hog who could literally oneshot you because you peeked a choke 20m away or Mauga who was just flat out immortal and filled the game with insane amounts of visual clutter
NERF THIS!
low skill floor hero that requires no aim and has insane survivability, basically the moira/lifeweaver of tanks
@@xBezerkerrr how is dva any lower skill than Winston? I feel like he’d really be the Moira/weaver of tanks if he was hard meta. And most other tanks are easier to play than Winston even though he requires zero mechanical skill, purely because dive tanks require knowing when to dive and kill squishies and when to frontline and peel. Tanks like Mauga, Orisa, Rein, Zarya, Hog and Ramattra are significantly easier to play than any dive tank if they’re hard meta.
if dva had 1 hitpoint, she'd be a throwpick, if she had 1million hitpoints, she'd be OP
this proves that it is very easy to balance Dva
design=balance
I am actually struggling to understand what you mean by this.
@@peanut4831 it means that dva would not be a problem if she had 152 hitpoints
@@rexoverwatch I mean technically but then Winston would be the problem so
@@ncm-uz6fm so then give winston 177 hitpoints
@@rexoverwatch but then another tank would be a problem
I CANT WAIT until they nerf her
As an Ashe main I’m upset she just dives me and insta kills me and now slower reload ahhhhhh!!
Dva shouldn't be in the game
I see your point but there is a massive tank problem as it is.
Why can't they just Vault Mauga??
Like game is complicated as it is, they need to bring someone in who can balance the game and stop giving all of these different buffs and nerfs to make the game unbalanced