Radio Rahim talks to Top Rank CEO Bob Arum about Cotto vs. Margarito, Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, and UFC President Dana White calling him a "scumbag promoter."
The only boxers that make the millions are Mayweather and pacman. And maybe Hopkins. other than that, nobody makes that kind of money. In mma, over all, they make exactly what boxers make. Overall.
Jim Morrison Not true at all. Mayweather, Manny, Canelo, Cotto, Chaves Jr., the Klitschkos, Haye, Froch, Groves, Marquez, Kessler are all boxers who repeatedly make prizefights where they earn millions. On top of that, it's not uncommon for fighters to sign promotional contracts worth more than 10 million. Thats just a promotional contract. Without having even fought yet.
There are only 2 fighters that make the insane amount of money. Pacman and floyd. In mma, there are tons of guys that make the big bucks. Not floyd money, but big money. St. pierre. Jon jones, anderson silva, before he was injured. uriah faber. Valesques. etc..
Again, you are completely wrong. I named just 11 of the current fighters that all make multiple millions for fighting. You can add Groves, Bute, Donaire, Mosley, Hopkins, Abraham and Ward to that list. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Klitschko, Cotto, and Froch are the ones that make the hugest paydays, but even the B side fighters in boxing matches make more than MMA stars. Even Rigondeoux, considered the least promotable guy in boxing, earned $750,000 for a bout with Donaire. Thats more than 90% of MMA stars.
^^ only 6 fighters in the whole sport of MMA has gotten atleast a million in a fight. GSP Brock lesner Chuck Liddell Tito Ortiz Anderson silva Jon jones
@airforce7385 exactly..as a fight fan... i want it to get to the level that its fortnightly or weekly. similar to how people we have football games each week. boxing was passable in its time... in todays atmosphere where the world is soooo wired and everything happens so quickly... i think we need a sport that occupies people throughout the year. but yeh..glad we have mma and its only going to get bigger given the fox deal.
I have to agree with Arum on the paychecks. Mixed Martial Arts/UFC is arguably a more popular and revenue generating sport than boxing right now and yet top boxers get payed so much more than even UFC fighters. Guys who are in the preliminary fights usually only get around 5,000-6,000 dollars.
they get offered up to 1000% (thousand) in bonuses, which makes the sport more exciting, its a big motivational tool to give the fans great great fights, IE, fight of the night, sub of the night, KO of the night
True, most boxing matches never get on PPV because they'd lose more money promoting it than they'd profit. Take the Hopkins vs Dawson title fight that did a dismal 40k buys.... not even the worst UFC event comes close & it was for a major title.
@SirMicDre What you are looking at is only a show purse, they don't report the fighters actual salaries to the public. Think of it as a bonus for showing up to work for a day on top of your normal salary. On top of all that there is PPV generated revenue paid out to the main event & sometimes co-main event fighters. Three side bonus's to win on the night including KO; submission & fight of the night. Fighters also make sponsorship money as does the UFC from it's own sponsors ect.
That's silly though because many MMA fighters don't come from boxing. That's like asking a boxer to do a pure wrestling match. Neither athlete is being restricted stylistically in full body combat. With gloves without gloves you still gotta land a punch & it's harder to land a game ending punch then dragging a white belt to the floor.
It's like Tyson said: "Boxing dominated the macho manly scene & now MMA has taken it's place." Sports are just a preference, I'll always prefer MMA over a finite version of combat.
That's because the bottom fighters actually get paid decent money. Also, the promotion, UFC (and Strikeforce) pay over 420 fighters money, whereas promotions like Bob Arum's have maybe 20 fighters max.
Rather you hate on Bob Arum or dislike him for whatever reason you got to give him props. I totally agree with what he speaking on right here, its true
It was between Machida vs Jones 2 or Chael Sonnen who put Anderson (the P4P best) threw the toughest fight of his career. Sonnen was the right choice because more people where excited to see new blood fight for the title.
@CrashArtSkillz According to Lorenzo they payout in the neighborhood of 50% to the fighters. They need to be able to recover money for marketing future events. Fighters have an audit clause in their contract which allows them to go in with a team of accountants to view all the money made by an event. Zuffa never disclose a fighters salary to the public but that doesn't mean they aren't making good money. They have made about 40 fighters millionaires in the last 6 years.
Of course you can skew numbers to make boxing sound like it's more generous. There are like 4 big fights a year in the world of boxing. Boxers often walk away with 8 figure purses. But that is like 5-6 fighters. With the UFC, you have 2-3 events a month, many of them are free, fighters get paid solid livable wages, health insurance, bonuses, and the opportunity for sponsorships. The economic impact of the the UFC brings to city after city beats top tier boxing based on sheer volume.
"The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless, to adopt an individual's own style and not following the system of styles." Bruce Lee
@jimijackson agreed, but the ufc holds big fights every month..... boxing holds a two big fights every year, paq and mayweather are never going to fight so R.I.P BOXING... YOUR RIGHT BRO
@Immortalsyn83 Not to mention them trying to put a last minute show in the same city as Hendo's SF debut to spite him. Banning clothing lines, telling fighters if they're in EA MMA they can never fight in the UFC etc. This is a ridiculous act of strong arming an industry and despite what you think, that is plenty reason for them to be under investigation and possibly be charged with monopoly and unethical business practice.
I did the numbers of the pay outs and on the Diaz vs condit fight the gate was 2.4 million and the pay out to the fighters was 1,311,500 witch is 54%. 80% in boxing sounds a little high to me
To some people checkers is more appealing because it's easier to understand. Some people prefer chess because it has more strategy & dimensions to the game. All combat sports have the potential to be very exciting (so long as you understand the game.)
Hmm, I really disagree. Silva cuts to 185.. Hes walkaround weight is about 200. He looked kinda awesome against Griffin. Very fast and much much more powerful. Almost every powershot really stunned him. Ofcourse JJ,is in another league compared to Griffin. But I think it would be a nice matchup. I think the reach advantage would really be a problem but other then that, silva is an amazing striker. DANA WHITE SHOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN thats the point and I think you agree with me on that
@poolboyinla Agree, but that also is due to the lack of exposure of boxing on network TV. I watch boxing on all channels and I have seen some great young fighters but you have to afford cable and follow up. Come on his gloves were fixed against Coto Arum.
because they have a monopoly on the mma scene. You fight for zuffa essentially or dont fight in a major promotion If you dont fight in the UFC you get paid even less. Theres no other promotion bidding on big fights or fighters.
That excuse would be valid, IF, UFC in private shared all financial records with Fighters and fighters Managers and Promoters. But UFC doesnt do that which puts fighters at a huge disadvantage in ANY negotiation with the UFC.
I remember that, but JJ is in a different league compared to FG. Not saying FG isn't good but he's not JJ good. In the AS and FG fight the weight didn't matter because the skill levels equalized everything. But if AS and JJ fought, there would be no equalizing because JJ is like the AS of the LHW division. It's like AS fighting a LHW version of himself. Thats not going to be a good match up. Not saying it wouldn't be an awesome fight, but AS would be at a disadvantage.
strikeforce was definetily not a "joke of a promotion" i agree . but it was always in the shadow of ufc . that's why the ufc bought out strikeforce and not the other way around . Alot of fighters in strikeforce were actually guys who had been cut from ufc and any good fighters in strikeforce were always going to end up at the ufc . in the end the whole company ended up at ufc .
If world class boxing came on network telavision mma would slowly but surly die slow. all they would have to do is air the big fights that come on showtime and HBO first then air it maby a week later on a network television channel
boxing has 2 huge names around pacman n mayweather.. nobody else is interesting in the sport.. ufc fighters make no money compared to boxers hopefully that changes but i love mma and boxing n ive competed in both so ill support both
"boxing is only punching" thats the most ignorant thing i might have ever heard. boxing is the most complex sport on the planet. mma came out when floyd mayweather jr was dominating amateurs. and y'all mma fans say boxers couldnt last in a cage, so? put the best in mma in a boxing ring with a 16 year old golden gloves champion, i'd gaurantee you they would lose bad... i watch mma, i see all the looping punches, and slow hands, what y'all fight with 4 oz gloves? cmon man stop it
@MrMatt5252 Its common knowledge, reported by multiple journalist/sources that the top fighters, title holders, & popular fighters get a % of PPV revenue. Brock makes like 5mil PER fight, GSP like 4mil. Anderson mils per fight too. So do Matt Hughes. Also popular fighters like Rampage, Wand they get %. Forrest etc. UFC also has a middle class of fighters that do good with their fights, lots of bonuses, etc. Boxing only 3 people take it all. Mayweather, Pac, Bob Arum.
1.6 million is the all time highest UFC's had for PPV in the US. However UFC doesn't need to beat them to remain highly successful. Boxing does 1-3 big events a year while UFC does over 30+. There is no best sport, sports are a preference. I watch boxing too but IMO MMA is the most exciting combative competition.
I think the fighters should be paid more dont get me wrong but at the end of the say they sign the contract that says 'you get paid this much' They don't really help them selves by not standing together and asking for more money
i dont mean to rain on your parade but ive seen 3 or 4 seperate times where they showed how much each fighter was being paid and how much of a bonus they could make for: fight of the night, submission of the night and knockout of the night. just sayin.. but i do agree with you that they are well paid. GSP makes between 2 and 5 million per fight. even mid-card fighters make around 75,000 to 200,000. 200 g's for 3-5 months of training and a max 15 minute fight. sounds pretty fair to me
some boxers get 500 bucks a fight in boxing that shit dont happen in the ufc and mma fighters fight more in a year than the once every 2-3 years boxing fighters.
In their heyday Pride paid more than the ufc at the time which is why most of the big names were there. Now the ufc blows those salaries out the water.
That is because you dont understand the sport.. but if youre looking for a brawl, then you need to know the ufc fighters.. cus different fighters has different gameplans.. thats it-
@SuperGonggong Boxing isn't a single company, its several companies working together to promote fights. UFC has done well in acquiring much of the top talent in MMA but they don't own everyone. I agree UFC is the premiere league for MMA but they are only one of many companies representing MMA.
I don't know to much about boxing but isn't there only 1 fight that you have to pay to watch. You pay for UFC and you watch up to 10 fights, thats PPV/FX/Facebook. The UFC has to pay up to 20 fighters compared to boxing that only have to pay 2 fighters. Thats a pretty big difference.
Paperview..yes they are.. they are beating both boxing and WWE... But i will say one thing that you're right about and that is money. These top boxers get like 20, 30 million+... in that aspect, yes boxing is winning. But by paperview viewers, MMA has passed boxing up in popularity. at least in the U.S.
@sanchexalex still if you do the math you can see that the lower level guys on the UFC cards are really getting screwed deep and hard. 6k to fight 6k to win is a joke. If a fighter in the UFC wins his first 3 fights he will get around 40k minus the 4k to his manager and minus the 10-15k for his training and traveling and with taxes he is likely making 10/hr in U$D.
There is no question that a season mma fighter will have his way with a season boxer(using mma rules that is)BUT in a boxing match most definitely the mma fighter will get his tailed whooped,is all about styles as clicheish as it sounds.
Here is some facts for you Since 2005, fighter pay has grown at twice the rate of revenue growth. 29 fighters on the current roster receive a cut of pay-per-view profits. 39 UFC fighters have become millionaires as a result of their earnings from the company Since 2005, the first year the UFC became profitable, the company has paid more than $250 million to its fighters So basically do abit of research before you comment. p.s the info was from January this year so it will be ever more now
Machida went undefeated to a title as did Rashad Evans & Ronda Rousey is still an undefeated champion. Mayweather is best boxer, not fighter “Because you have to have a lot of abilities. You have to be so multi-functional, you have to be a wrestler, you have to be a good kickboxer, you have to be a good boxer, you have to be with good condition. We can go forever what they have to be to keep winning for a long time and be a champion, consistent champions, it’s very difficult." Wladimir Klitschko
Arum is not that bad.....he might just be interested in money but he helps boxing to stay exciting so that it wont die. Arum dosent care about Mayweather or De la Hoya, Arum competes with UFC and other sports. Arums brain is in a bigger perspective......he is way ahead.
@Immortalsyn83 Actually I'm pretty sure the UFC owns the rights to all Affliction footage now. As well as Elite XC with the purchase of Strikeforce. You don't need to tell me who ran Affliction, I know who ran it. Zuffa really is running a monopoly. It's pretty plain to see. Not because of the fact they own most of the top fighters but also because they strong arm the industry and use unethical business tactics such as stripping credentials from any writer who speaks out against them.
Please Aurm. The UFC doesn't disclose the official amount of money they pay their fighters because the fighters don't want it to be public. Also, the money paid out to the fighters is extremely more well distributed. The top ten boxers in boxing get 90% of the money in boxing, the rest get shit. It's very poorly distributed, Pacman and Mayweather make most of the money, it's disgusting. Another point, is that the UFC invest their money to go global, and go into new markets in other countries.
Notice how he said maybe 20%, true be told he has know clue what MMA fighters make. According to Lorenzo Fertitta co-owner of the UFC has a youtube video talking about fighters making over 10 million every year & several making millions every year.
@TheRatchetkid Because they live a simple life doesn't mean, that they don't have any money. I guess he's very similar to me. I also live in a relative simple apartment, but i'm pretty wealthy. I actually don't really know what to do with my money. I don't need much to live a happy life. A lot of fighters seem to be similar in that respect. I know that Nick Diaz is.
@ARMONI555 Zuffa does not have a monopoly there is still Bellator, MMA fighters don't want to box because of their pedigree and MMA is taking off thats why James Toney and Ray Mercer have jumped ship. I agree that boxing makes more but GSP makes around 5 million per event with sale % and that is without endorsements. He also fight 3 times a year.
I've seen many great athletes fall to lesser athletes because they were too one dimensional. You can use your Kimbo example... but he quickly washed out of UFC & is 7-0 as a pro boxer. Very few athletes train to be street fighters because nobody want's to do for free what they can get paid to do. It's like Mike Tyson said: "Boxing dominated the macho manly scene & so now MMA has taken it's place."
You can't even back fist in boxing! Boxing is to MMA what miniature golf is to 18 hole. A boxer isn't limited in MMA where a wrestler would be as useless in boxing as a boxer would be in wrestling. It's like David Haye said: “I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power. After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap."
You know the money that the ufc fighters make in the fight night is just a side paycheck right? They also get paid monthly thats what I heard. They also have free doctors. Thats why everybody is trying to get in the ufc not boxing.
If UFC just released all the actual numbers from Each Fight and what they make in total every year, it would become so much more fair to fighters and other promoters since they would then know how much money "we" are talking about. Fighters deserve atleast 50% of the proceeds, anything less and I just cannot support it.
@spkrcity Just the disclosed salaries. Many of the UFC top fighters get ppv revenue shares that is not disclosed. Anderson, GSP, Brock, Rampage,Jones, Forrest, many others get a percentage of the PPV. There are many fighters in the UFC end up getting millions a year vs Boxing where generally Mayweather, Arum,Pac take everything and others make shit. Plus in the UFC there is a middle class of fighters making a living also. Kos owns a lambo, houses. Plus the UFC is growing the sport
The only fighters crying in UFC are the ones still fighting to make a name for themselves. Boxing is already established, MMA is still expanding world wide. All sports started with pioneers in it for the love of the game.
A boxer is like a lion but in a shark tank hes just another meal. A wrestler can't compete in boxing like a boxer can't compete in wrestling... in MMA they both can compete without being restricted.
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And now here we are with the Crawford situation
Amazing how Innocent people die in Afghanistan and this dufus is still alive and hes like 90 years old and full of health lol a crook.
he reminds me of Mr. Wilson in Dennis the menace....
I think top UFC fighters get paid too little and top boxers get paid too much
The only boxers that make the millions are Mayweather and pacman. And maybe Hopkins. other than that, nobody makes that kind of money. In mma, over all, they make exactly what boxers make. Overall.
Jim Morrison Not true at all. Mayweather, Manny, Canelo, Cotto, Chaves Jr., the Klitschkos, Haye, Froch, Groves, Marquez, Kessler are all boxers who repeatedly make prizefights where they earn millions. On top of that, it's not uncommon for fighters to sign promotional contracts worth more than 10 million. Thats just a promotional contract. Without having even fought yet.
There are only 2 fighters that make the insane amount of money. Pacman and floyd. In mma, there are tons of guys that make the big bucks. Not floyd money, but big money. St. pierre. Jon jones, anderson silva, before he was injured. uriah faber. Valesques. etc..
Again, you are completely wrong. I named just 11 of the current fighters that all make multiple millions for fighting. You can add Groves, Bute, Donaire, Mosley, Hopkins, Abraham and Ward to that list. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Klitschko, Cotto, and Froch are the ones that make the hugest paydays, but even the B side fighters in boxing matches make more than MMA stars. Even Rigondeoux, considered the least promotable guy in boxing, earned $750,000 for a bout with Donaire. Thats more than 90% of MMA stars.
^^ only 6 fighters in the whole sport of MMA has gotten atleast a million in a fight.
GSP
Brock lesner
Chuck Liddell
Tito Ortiz
Anderson silva
Jon jones
I agree!! I´m a fight fan and like both sports! Fight fans like boxing and MMA!
I agree. 100% But a broken clock is right twice a day.
@airforce7385 exactly..as a fight fan... i want it to get to the level that its fortnightly or weekly. similar to how people we have football games each week.
boxing was passable in its time... in todays atmosphere where the world is soooo wired and everything happens so quickly... i think we need a sport that occupies people throughout the year. but yeh..glad we have mma and its only going to get bigger given the fox deal.
I have to agree with Arum on the paychecks. Mixed Martial Arts/UFC is arguably a more popular and revenue generating sport than boxing right now and yet top boxers get payed so much more than even UFC fighters. Guys who are in the preliminary fights usually only get around 5,000-6,000 dollars.
He sounds like Roger Meyers Jr.
they get offered up to 1000% (thousand) in bonuses, which makes the sport more exciting, its a big motivational tool to give the fans great great fights, IE, fight of the night, sub of the night, KO of the night
Yeah I agree and that goes for ANY weight class. Anderson would school them all.
True, most boxing matches never get on PPV because they'd lose more money promoting it than they'd profit. Take the Hopkins vs Dawson title fight that did a dismal 40k buys.... not even the worst UFC event comes close & it was for a major title.
I love MMA and boxing, but it's true that top MMA fighters get paid crap compared to to top boxers
wow , Arum is good at telling stories with a straight face ! Thats years of practice
I love both boxing and MMA and if i had to pick a promoter for either, i'd choose Dana White over Bob Arum every day of the week and twice on sunday.
@SirMicDre What you are looking at is only a show purse, they don't report the fighters actual salaries to the public. Think of it as a bonus for showing up to work for a day on top of your normal salary. On top of all that there is PPV generated revenue paid out to the main event & sometimes co-main event fighters. Three side bonus's to win on the night including KO; submission & fight of the night. Fighters also make sponsorship money as does the UFC from it's own sponsors ect.
That's silly though because many MMA fighters don't come from boxing. That's like asking a boxer to do a pure wrestling match. Neither athlete is being restricted stylistically in full body combat. With gloves without gloves you still gotta land a punch & it's harder to land a game ending punch then dragging a white belt to the floor.
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@theirishmaniac08 "and your a bitch" by dr. Phil lol
It's like Tyson said: "Boxing dominated the macho manly scene & now MMA has taken it's place." Sports are just a preference, I'll always prefer MMA over a finite version of combat.
Boxers get paid a rate win or lose, that is a high purse for mma, high boxing purses are tens of millions...
That's because the bottom fighters actually get paid decent money. Also, the promotion, UFC (and Strikeforce) pay over 420 fighters money, whereas promotions like Bob Arum's have maybe 20 fighters max.
Rather you hate on Bob Arum or dislike him for whatever reason you got to give him props. I totally agree with what he speaking on right here, its true
for them its not about the money...but the sport...he dosent want his fighters to start fighting for the most money, but for the fans
He's right do he actually made sense
It was between Machida vs Jones 2 or Chael Sonnen who put Anderson (the P4P best) threw the toughest fight of his career. Sonnen was the right choice because more people where excited to see new blood fight for the title.
@CrashArtSkillz According to Lorenzo they payout in the neighborhood of 50% to the fighters. They need to be able to recover money for marketing future events. Fighters have an audit clause in their contract which allows them to go in with a team of accountants to view all the money made by an event. Zuffa never disclose a fighters salary to the public but that doesn't mean they aren't making good money. They have made about 40 fighters millionaires in the last 6 years.
Of course you can skew numbers to make boxing sound like it's more generous. There are like 4 big fights a year in the world of boxing. Boxers often walk away with 8 figure purses. But that is like 5-6 fighters. With the UFC, you have 2-3 events a month, many of them are free, fighters get paid solid livable wages, health insurance, bonuses, and the opportunity for sponsorships. The economic impact of the the UFC brings to city after city beats top tier boxing based on sheer volume.
"The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless, to adopt an individual's own style and not following the system of styles." Bruce Lee
boxing and mma is fun to watch...just like baseball and basketball
@jimijackson agreed, but the ufc holds big fights every month..... boxing holds a two big fights every year, paq and mayweather are never going to fight so R.I.P BOXING... YOUR RIGHT BRO
@Immortalsyn83 Not to mention them trying to put a last minute show in the same city as Hendo's SF debut to spite him. Banning clothing lines, telling fighters if they're in EA MMA they can never fight in the UFC etc. This is a ridiculous act of strong arming an industry and despite what you think, that is plenty reason for them to be under investigation and possibly be charged with monopoly and unethical business practice.
yea forreal in this case boxing would be chess, you have to have skills to box.
I did the numbers of the pay outs and on the Diaz vs condit fight the gate was 2.4 million and the pay out to the fighters was 1,311,500 witch is 54%. 80% in boxing sounds a little high to me
To some people checkers is more appealing because it's easier to understand. Some people prefer chess because it has more strategy & dimensions to the game. All combat sports have the potential to be very exciting (so long as you understand the game.)
Hmm, I really disagree. Silva cuts to 185.. Hes walkaround weight is about 200. He looked kinda awesome against Griffin. Very fast and much much more powerful. Almost every powershot really stunned him. Ofcourse JJ,is in another league compared to Griffin. But I think it would be a nice matchup. I think the reach advantage would really be a problem but other then that, silva is an amazing striker. DANA WHITE SHOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN thats the point and I think you agree with me on that
@poolboyinla Agree, but that also is due to the lack of exposure of boxing on network TV. I watch boxing on all channels and I have seen some great young fighters but you have to afford cable and follow up. Come on his gloves were fixed against Coto Arum.
MMA is the little brother to boxing. without boxing there would be no MMA
Yeah the MMA fighters do get paid chump change compared to Boxers but they're under on division where boxing is divided over several divisions.
Looks like Bobby's a lil loopy on the Xanax. heheh
I have to agree that the UFC doesn't pay most of their fighters very much money compared to how much the promotion itself makes.
alright then what we talkin about then
if you want more money be a boxer, if you to be treated like a human being be a MMA fighter
Actually it's boxing that's not fucking with MMA, especially not in annual PPV sales since 2005.
Bob Arum is a genius.
because they have a monopoly on the mma scene. You fight for zuffa essentially or dont fight in a major promotion If you dont fight in the UFC you get paid even less. Theres no other promotion bidding on big fights or fighters.
That excuse would be valid, IF, UFC in private shared all financial records with Fighters and fighters Managers and Promoters.
But UFC doesnt do that which puts fighters at a huge disadvantage in ANY negotiation with the UFC.
well that's obvious, since they don't draw crowds. how do you expect them to get paid as much as a fighter in a mainstream organization?
better make that 2:56 lol
I remember that, but JJ is in a different league compared to FG. Not saying FG isn't good but he's not JJ good. In the AS and FG fight the weight didn't matter because the skill levels equalized everything. But if AS and JJ fought, there would be no equalizing because JJ is like the AS of the LHW division. It's like AS fighting a LHW version of himself. Thats not going to be a good match up. Not saying it wouldn't be an awesome fight, but AS would be at a disadvantage.
Because he monopolizes the market.
strikeforce was definetily not a "joke of a promotion" i agree . but it was always in the shadow of ufc . that's why the ufc bought out strikeforce and not the other way around . Alot of fighters in strikeforce were actually guys who had been cut from ufc and any good fighters in strikeforce were always going to end up at the ufc . in the end the whole company ended up at ufc .
agreed my friend
If world class boxing came on network telavision mma would slowly but surly die slow. all they would have to do is air the big fights that come on showtime and HBO first then air it maby a week later on a network television channel
boxing has 2 huge names around pacman n mayweather.. nobody else is interesting in the sport.. ufc fighters make no money compared to boxers hopefully that changes but i love mma and boxing n ive competed in both so ill support both
is it just me or does Bob Arum sound exactly like roger meyers from the simpsons!
nope bob is 100% right on wat he said
True enough UFC fighters still get paid good though I wouldn't mind making what they do maybe thats y they fight more thenn boxers also
"boxing is only punching" thats the most ignorant thing i might have ever heard. boxing is the most complex sport on the planet. mma came out when floyd mayweather jr was dominating amateurs. and y'all mma fans say boxers couldnt last in a cage, so? put the best in mma in a boxing ring with a 16 year old golden gloves champion, i'd gaurantee you they would lose bad... i watch mma, i see all the looping punches, and slow hands, what y'all fight with 4 oz gloves? cmon man stop it
@MrMatt5252 Its common knowledge, reported by multiple journalist/sources that the top fighters, title holders, & popular fighters get a % of PPV revenue. Brock makes like 5mil PER fight, GSP like 4mil. Anderson mils per fight too. So do Matt Hughes. Also popular fighters like Rampage, Wand they get %. Forrest etc. UFC also has a middle class of fighters that do good with their fights, lots of bonuses, etc. Boxing only 3 people take it all. Mayweather, Pac, Bob Arum.
1.6 million is the all time highest UFC's had for PPV in the US. However UFC doesn't need to beat them to remain highly successful. Boxing does 1-3 big events a year while UFC does over 30+. There is no best sport, sports are a preference. I watch boxing too but IMO MMA is the most exciting combative competition.
I think the fighters should be paid more dont get me wrong but at the end of the say they sign the contract that says 'you get paid this much'
They don't really help them selves by not standing together and asking for more money
Dana White's said that he won't release figure of fighters' pay because it becomes a media target and that's all they'll ever be asked about
i dont mean to rain on your parade but ive seen 3 or 4 seperate times where they showed how much each fighter was being paid and how much of a bonus they could make for: fight of the night, submission of the night and knockout of the night. just sayin.. but i do agree with you that they are well paid. GSP makes between 2 and 5 million per fight. even mid-card fighters make around 75,000 to 200,000. 200 g's for 3-5 months of training and a max 15 minute fight. sounds pretty fair to me
some boxers get 500 bucks a fight in boxing that shit dont happen in the ufc and mma fighters fight more in a year than the once every 2-3 years boxing fighters.
Because he actually payes all of his fighters in boxing only the big names get paid.
In their heyday Pride paid more than the ufc at the time which is why most of the big names were there. Now the ufc blows those salaries out the water.
You'd tap out like a bitch if you rolled with a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner ; )
exactly. and no matter what people say, this Bob Arum dude speaks with more class than Dana White. i mean he talks facts instead of attacking people.
That is because you dont understand the sport.. but if youre looking for a brawl, then you need to know the ufc fighters.. cus different fighters has different gameplans.. thats it-
@SuperGonggong Boxing isn't a single company, its several companies working together to promote fights. UFC has done well in acquiring much of the top talent in MMA but they don't own everyone. I agree UFC is the premiere league for MMA but they are only one of many companies representing MMA.
I don't know to much about boxing but isn't there only 1 fight that you have to pay to watch. You pay for UFC and you watch up to 10 fights, thats PPV/FX/Facebook. The UFC has to pay up to 20 fighters compared to boxing that only have to pay 2 fighters. Thats a pretty big difference.
Bob Arum makes a point when discussing how much MMA fighters get paid. Why does Dana White only pay fighters such a small percentage of the proceeds.
Paperview..yes they are.. they are beating both boxing and WWE... But i will say one thing that you're right about and that is money. These top boxers get like 20, 30 million+... in that aspect, yes boxing is winning. But by paperview viewers, MMA has passed boxing up in popularity. at least in the U.S.
Bob is doing my drunk impression...not bad bob
@sanchexalex still if you do the math you can see that the lower level guys on the UFC cards are really getting screwed deep and hard. 6k to fight 6k to win is a joke. If a fighter in the UFC wins his first 3 fights he will get around 40k minus the 4k to his manager and minus the 10-15k for his training and traveling and with taxes he is likely making 10/hr in U$D.
The last 7 years UFC has been dominating the PPV industry & is the world wide leader in PPV. Perhaps you should check them numbers. =P
There is no question that a season mma fighter will have his way with a season boxer(using mma rules that is)BUT in a boxing match most definitely the mma fighter will get his tailed whooped,is all about styles as clicheish as it sounds.
Here is some facts for you
Since 2005, fighter pay has grown at twice the rate of revenue growth.
29 fighters on the current roster receive a cut of pay-per-view profits.
39 UFC fighters have become millionaires as a result of their earnings from the company
Since 2005, the first year the UFC became profitable, the company has paid more than $250 million to its fighters
So basically do abit of research before you comment. p.s the info was from January this year so it will be ever more now
Machida went undefeated to a title as did Rashad Evans & Ronda Rousey is still an undefeated champion. Mayweather is best boxer, not fighter
“Because you have to have a lot of abilities. You have to be so multi-functional, you have to be a wrestler, you have to be a good kickboxer, you have to be a good boxer, you have to be with good condition. We can go forever what they have to be to keep winning for a long time and be a champion, consistent champions, it’s very difficult." Wladimir Klitschko
they pay there lesser known fighters more than boxing does though
Arum is not that bad.....he might just be interested in money but he helps boxing to stay exciting so that it wont die. Arum dosent care about Mayweather or De la Hoya, Arum competes with UFC and other sports. Arums brain is in a bigger perspective......he is way ahead.
@Immortalsyn83 Actually I'm pretty sure the UFC owns the rights to all Affliction footage now. As well as Elite XC with the purchase of Strikeforce. You don't need to tell me who ran Affliction, I know who ran it.
Zuffa really is running a monopoly. It's pretty plain to see. Not because of the fact they own most of the top fighters but also because they strong arm the industry and use unethical business tactics such as stripping credentials from any writer who speaks out against them.
Please Aurm. The UFC doesn't disclose the official amount of money they pay their fighters because the fighters don't want it to be public. Also, the money paid out to the fighters is extremely more well distributed. The top ten boxers in boxing get 90% of the money in boxing, the rest get shit. It's very poorly distributed, Pacman and Mayweather make most of the money, it's disgusting. Another point, is that the UFC invest their money to go global, and go into new markets in other countries.
Notice how he said maybe 20%, true be told he has know clue what MMA fighters make. According to Lorenzo Fertitta co-owner of the UFC has a youtube video talking about fighters making over 10 million every year & several making millions every year.
@TheRatchetkid
Because they live a simple life doesn't mean, that they don't have any money. I guess he's very similar to me. I also live in a relative simple apartment, but i'm pretty wealthy. I actually don't really know what to do with my money. I don't need much to live a happy life. A lot of fighters seem to be similar in that respect. I know that Nick Diaz is.
@ARMONI555 Zuffa does not have a monopoly there is still Bellator, MMA fighters don't want to box because of their pedigree and MMA is taking off thats why James Toney and Ray Mercer have jumped ship. I agree that boxing makes more but GSP makes around 5 million per event with sale % and that is without endorsements. He also fight 3 times a year.
80% to the big fights. -.....-
I've seen many great athletes fall to lesser athletes because they were too one dimensional. You can use your Kimbo example... but he quickly washed out of UFC & is 7-0 as a pro boxer. Very few athletes train to be street fighters because nobody want's to do for free what they can get paid to do. It's like Mike Tyson said: "Boxing dominated the macho manly scene & so now MMA has taken it's place."
@bfmyac yea 300 bucks and doesnt even give em insurance during training and shit
You can't even back fist in boxing! Boxing is to MMA what miniature golf is to 18 hole. A boxer isn't limited in MMA where a wrestler would be as useless in boxing as a boxer would be in wrestling. It's like David Haye said:
“I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power. After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap."
The truth is you can no longer call yourself the best fighter in the world if you can't defend simple kicks & submissions.
You know the money that the ufc fighters make in the fight night is just a side paycheck right? They also get paid monthly thats what I heard. They also have free doctors. Thats why everybody is trying to get in the ufc not boxing.
yeah your really fuckin brave man do you want me to give you a medal
If UFC just released all the actual numbers from Each Fight and what they make in total every year, it would become so much more fair to fighters and other promoters since they would then know how much money "we" are talking about.
Fighters deserve atleast 50% of the proceeds, anything less and I just cannot support it.
@spkrcity Just the disclosed salaries. Many of the UFC top fighters get ppv revenue shares that is not disclosed. Anderson, GSP, Brock, Rampage,Jones, Forrest, many others get a percentage of the PPV. There are many fighters in the UFC end up getting millions a year vs Boxing where generally Mayweather, Arum,Pac take everything and others make shit. Plus in the UFC there is a middle class of fighters making a living also. Kos owns a lambo, houses. Plus the UFC is growing the sport
The sad thing is, he doesn't actually care about what the MMA fighters get paid, it's just something to throw at MMA.
bob arum tell true
The only fighters crying in UFC are the ones still fighting to make a name for themselves. Boxing is already established, MMA is still expanding world wide. All sports started with pioneers in it for the love of the game.
These comments aged nicely😂
A boxer is like a lion but in a shark tank hes just another meal. A wrestler can't compete in boxing like a boxer can't compete in wrestling... in MMA they both can compete without being restricted.
you missed a headbutt ha ha good shit my friend!!