Osage Orange - Simple Method for growing from seed
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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We love growing Osage Orange from seed. Over the years we've learned how to simplify and distill out steps to what feels like a very low energy and reliable method to get a huge number of seedling trees of Osage.
We collect fruits in the fall as they drop, then store them in crates over winter, outside but sometimes with some leaves and wood chips over the crates, but no real protection. They freeze solid, they thaw, they freeze, thaw, rot, break down, over and over. By spring the fruits are covered in mold and soft and the seeds are super ready to germinate and grow!
Smeared out on decent garden soil and covered with a little soil they germinate well and can grow quite nicely in their first year.
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I remember reading somewhere but I cant remember exactly where, that farmers used to gather these and put them in a bucket over winter and it spring they would dig a trench on their property line and just dump the fruits into the trenches to make a sort of living fence out of them. This method seems similar, very cool to see it in action.
My dad is a farmer, I don't know if that is true but growing up he would cut hedge trees out on the farm and make them into posts that he would then lean up against a giant mulberry tree to be used for fences at a later date. Probabaly still has them up there if I would just go look. On my own property there are still some in the ground where there used to be livestock gates. They're also incredible fire wood. One hedge log in the fire and it burns nice and hot. Just don't make your entire fire of hedge logs. Lol
You can do it in knasas but the problem is that osage, while being useful for keeping away pests like mosquitoes, smell really bad to us as well
@@riddlersroad3802 I grew up with Osage orange fencerows and solitary trees, they fruited nearly every year and I never remember an odor, either the trees or the fruit??
@@amandajarboe1131 in knasas it gets very hot and the ones the squirrels open up start to smell worse than anything else in the heat
I remember an article in Mother Earth News from way back
“Aroma is normal” 😂. What a joy to see and hear from Juan!
I really appreciate the clear crisp noise when spreading the fruit.
Wow great guy
That is great! I gathered some in a hurry when out, brought them home put them in a squat pot out near the compost pile and literally forgot about them all winter. The chickens scratched compost and mulch into the pot and this spring had dozens of little seedlings coming up that I transplanted out.
Hi Juan, lovely to see you again. nice to see you get the fun jobs!
We both get some pretty rich jobs with our project :)
So simple! I stored some Osage in buckets over the winter. Last week I dumped into a wheel barrel and mixed with compost and dirt. That was scattered around the edge of my property and cover with wood chips. Hoping this will add another layer to the hedge I am trying to start. I also saved plenty of seed for a bed, just in case.
How did that method work? Anything pop up during the year?
This was super helpful. I was just "throwing" the fruits along my fence row (for the past 3 years). I never got any germination. I will be trying this in the upcoming season. Thank you!
Worth trying a little more deliberate way to start so you can get some nice plants going along with some more informal experiments like you described. Go both ways and you get some good info out of it all!
I just love the practicality of it all! So simple yet so effective.
These are not native in my area, and I'd never seen this before, but I took a fallen osage orange from a famous London botanical garden this week - slipped it in my pocket (it's fine, there were a dozen trees and fruits spread around everywhere, and everyone was super intruiged!!) and I really want to germinate it for our garden, so this is the second video I watched and I'm happy to inform you that when you smeared the slurry I laughed out loud saying "eeeewwww, I love it" 😂😁 thanks for the advice!!
I like your style! I borrow plants too! 😆
Nice to see Juan around :)
Would love to see your progress, please do an update to this procedure.
The method with a bucket and a paint mixer that you or akiva have shown in the past works best for me. I just add some dirt when I'm mixing them and then spread them out in air prune beds.
We did this with just 1 little apple. We got about 150 trees sprouting and were super excited. But then... the chickens broke in and cleaned us out. It was tragic.
Interesting. Osage is a nice plant & has a lot of uses.
Just figured out what to do with the osage oranges I picked up last year. Well frozen, thawed, colorful- I have the perfect berm to plant them to! Thanks for the inspiration. ( I have my last years experiment to0-we'll see how that did over winter.)
Hope it works!
Ha ha, didn't expect to give a thumbs up to someone for making me want to retch! Normally I have a strong stomach but the sounds... thank you for the technique tho. Would appreciate learning more about how you utilize this as a hedge and other purposes.
Wow nice one keep on watching from Ghana
with your humor and style and a few notes!
Osage is one of the worst trees on my farm. The thorns are horrible! I’ve flattened tractor tires and I’ve pulled them out of goat, sheep, horse and pig hooves. The pigs like to eat the fruit when they fall so I’ll probably keep a few but I’m slowly getting rid of the rest.
Wow!
They are certainly a specialized character. Like most plants with thorns, they have their upside if used well, but can make you pay in prickles. 😜
love yall always! where did you manage to salvage those crates from? or did you buy them, I've been having trouble finding any locally that aren't prohibitively expensive.
on a side note yall have been extremely inspirational to me here on my small farm, started doing perinial nursery work this year and am loving the addition to the market garden.
We found a good local source for them and have really enjoyed them. Keep an eye out and hopefully you can find a nice source where you are.
Juan & Sean - Can you guys do a follow up on this in a month so we can get a view of the seedlings starting in from this... This is a fascinating concept..
Happy to share an update as it evolves.
Bois D'arc "bodark"
fantastically strong wood, we have 100 year old fence posts around that you can't cut with a chainsaw.
That wood will dull any tool fast.
You said what I was going to, they grow wild and are mostly a trouble around here
I love this guy
Makes me wonder what tool people used to make the posts originally?
A post is said to last 3.5 years longer than stone
Never heard of Osage. Sure has neat looking fruits
@@HoneybeeHollowGardens good to know. I personally wasn’t even thinking about eating one but I’m sure others might have wondered.
Good to know, so I can graft some white sapote on some!
That sound is something else.
awesome! Thank ya'll for sharing!
this is my kind of asmr lol!
Interesting. I wouldn't want to breathe in those mold spores, though.
I live in Phoenix, AZ picked some up last year in Kansas and put in the fridge over the winter. I'm germinating the seeds. We'll see if they can handle the low desert with water.
Good luck!
Love this- I never heard of this tree- but did some research- looks like a great one to grow!
I haven’t heard of them either, you’re not alone! Wonder if they even grow in my area or even in the U.S. for that matter? Where I live it’s a short growing season, so most things I grow need to be harvested around 90 days or likely will get back into cold wet weather. Which sucks
@@ghostridergale native to us. native Americans made bows for bow arrow. Bois de arc
I wonder if mixing the rotten fruits with water with a paint mixer would make the slurry more uniform and easier to spread. Osage isn't native to my area, but I occasionally see the fruits in the supermarket. I'll give this a try next year.
Interesting idea, makes a lot of sense...
I would love to see how EdibleAcres does black locusts from seed.
I've tried various ways, all that don't work so well. My current method is to germinate seeds from a local tree's pods that spent the full winter on the tree. Now it's spring and I've taken the fallen pods. I will soak these in hot water for a night, then plant them into containers the next evening. I am thinking to transplant these into the ground in fall.
Any advice for a guy in a super snowy, long wintered, Zone 4A?
For what it's worth, I've had great luck with honey locust by gathering the seeds from pods that were on the ground all winter, and then pouring boiling water on the seeds and letting that cool to room temp, then planting those seeds in an air prune bed. I've yet to source black locust pods.
@@edenoftheworld1090 Thanks for the tip. I'll try some with an air prune bed too.
the best part of this video was the soundscape of smearing.
Hello Juan! Wonderful video. Sean's method is a bit less icky.
“Another Method” always seems to mean Sean stomping on things (walnuts, charcoal, Osage slurry…).
Some psychadelic-looking mash there. Is this the White Shield cultivar? Sean/Sasha: as a technical critique, I hear a pattern of low audio levels in EA videos, the quick fix would be throwing on a "normalization' filter'. Also, as its mostly talking and voiceover, you could use a light compressor filter to bring some clarity as well. Let me know what software you're using and I could get into specifics.
These are sourced from nice wild areas of trees...
I recognize we need to improve our audio, it just never gets to the top of the list as a todo unfortunately... When it is windy I sometimes take a thin sock and put it over the end of my old Iphone so the audio is less windy, just forgot the sock that day :)
I bet you could use your black walnut dehulling methods to make an osage seed slurry in a bucket and just pour that across the bed.
How did they turn out?
Cool! Couldn't you do that with plant based food wastes in general that you didn't have enough brown additions for to make traditional compost that were accumulating in 5 gallon bucket and after mixing it up, use it to spread over a raised bed to feed the soil and perhaps grow some volunteers from whatever seeds in the paste decided to grow? If so, how soon after applying the "paste" and covering it with soil and mulch, could you start to plant? Or, would it be better to do it on the perimeter of the garden and not directly where you wanted to plant seedlings or sow seeds? Lastly, do you think it would work doing it after your last frost? Just wondering. I'm in zone 8 btw.....Thanks in advance if anyone knows or has any ideas.
I have never seen this!
So wrong but so right.
Listening to him smear the rotten osage orange into the soil is the sexiest ASMR I've ever heard.
Can I buy a few seedlings from you SIr ?? PLease let me know and we will take care of business.
Thanks for the great video. Should I leave them completely exposed to the elements of winter or let them freeze in my garage?
Seems like it works either way really, but maybe a little safer is in the garage...
Thanks!!
Any species you've found that don't germinate well in rotten fruit? Just curious
Mmm... rotting oranges... Yummy!
It's more closer to a Apple since the name HedgeApple and the seed looks like.....apple seeds ;)
@EdibleAcres Safe to assume you are growing these to eventually transplant. No problems with the taproots?
They do just fine
We have some huge old Osage trees down the road from us. They are easily 40 or 50 feet tall with big straight trunks. I have wondered about asking the land owners if they know their story. I should collect fruit from them for some boundary planting. I am into diverse planting from seed right now. What else might work in a living fence with these. Especially in the beginning when they are little?
We have Miscanthus, Red Bud, Black Locust, River Locust and Schisandra inter-planted with young Osage right now
...that sound when hear smears the goo...
It's intense but meaningful :)
I saw a video of someone planting one foot apart ten Osage Orange seeds, then ten Honey Locust and last ten Black Locust around his 80 acres. Wonder what it will look like in ten years and how effective it will be?
That sounds like a very interesting design, hoping it works wonderfully for them!
I wish to plant this fall (like now) can I just put the hedge apples in the freezer for a few days, then thaw them and plant?
I would not freeze them, I would just plant in the fall and then let winter do the work while they are in the soil
Hahahahahah ds ASMR is REAL!!!
What do you use Osage for? I have one growing from a rootstock where the graft didn’t hold. Was going to try and cut it back and graft onto it but maybe I’ll keep it and let it fruit if there are other good uses for it.
Fantastic live fence species as well as top wood for bowmaking
The most rot resistant posts, the best firewood in North America, food for now extinct giant sloths, and excellent for flattening tractor tires.
@@cletushatfield8817 LMAO food for extinct animals... Im glad I know so I can prepare for their return 🤠
Lots of stories online about cure for cancer.
Archery bow shaft & staves, knive handles, and walking sticks. I would never use it for fire wood as primary fuel.
The wood like cedar is pest immune. In TX these tree are freeze and drought resistance. I've been trying to grow them for 5 years with little to no success. I think the cold stratification process i use is not cold enough as in we do not get as many freeze or sub 34deg days for the seeds to prep.
Oh that’s what osage oranges are. There are some in the city park .... do they have practical uses ?
We have whole fencelines of them on our place in Virginia, planted by my great-grandfather back in the 1890's. We also have a truly ancient huge one in the yard which is a male tree that pretty much is the pollinator for many of the others and it does not drop fruit. It has the most magnificent sprawling branches that produces luscious shade and we pretty much live under it in the summertime. I have a picture of my mom sitting on our front porch when she was 2... that was in 1914 and the tree looks exactly the same as it did then, so it truly must be ancient. Osage Oranges create a natural hedge. Apparently they kept the cattle and the hogs out of the yard. When we were kids, we invented all sorts of bowling type games with them, and also created a funky archery contest with them as targets. When one fell my brother-in-law made beautiful bowls from them and recently my son built a Tagelharpa (ancient Norse instrument) out of the wood from that tree. It is beautiful.
Do you ever worry about persistent herbicides in your hay??
On this subject, I leaned that the "persistent" is only when not in living root systems. The herbicide may remain viable for years in dead plant matter or compost, but it breaks down in a matter of days in contact with living plants. Yes, it may stunt to kill some but the most effective way to neutralize any herbicide is to introduce it to a living plant. In this microbe rich and plant diverse context, it is not likely to slow them down.
@@argentvixen interesting thanks for the info
We are very careful about that... We always ask when we bring in hay and the bales in this video are from a long time organic farmer...
Did you plant them in the spring or in the fall, 6 month or 12 months later?
You can probably put the fruits out in the fall and let them overwinter in place to sprout and grow the next year...
@@edibleacresI put a couple outside in containers like yours and have two more I can try that with, thanks.
hog tight,bull strong,horse high
Ese galan quien es!?!?
Is it necessary to let the fruits rot for a year? Why not just plant the fresh fruits in the ground? (Not making any point, I'm sincerely curious.)
Reasonable question for sure. We found that planting cut/whole fruits in the fall and putting mulch on top worked just fine to produce strong seedlings in the spring, so what you see in this video is certainly a reasonable way and so is just planting in the fall...
@@edibleacres Thank you! Thinking of starting some in pots, just skipping the rotting phase and dropping some fruit in instead (hence my asking). Glad to know it can work both ways!
Grossest ASMR I’ve ever listened to. But, it starred Juan! So… Four out of Five stars! Why would people want to grow Osage orange? I mean, I think I know, but other folks may be interested.
Amazing, nasty, wonderful ASMR.
We plant the thornless cultivars White Shield and Wichita (here in Louisville, KY) sometimes as a street tree/parking lot island tree-its pretty tough and tolerant of urban stresses. I dont have a lot of applications where I could plant straight species with thorns but there are always pockets of landscapes that are largely unvisited by humans and perfect for a species like that to flourish.
This gives me uncomfortable feelings, not because of the sounds, or the rotten appearance, not even the smell a vision. It's the fact I know that at some point blood will be drawn by one of these soon to be concrete like devil's..my riparian strip timber is 1/3 Osage. 1/3 of that 3rd is the remnants of the living fence folks desire cut and left to lay over 70years ago. The fact they grow on the creek banks at an angle , then being about as heavy as any species can get, they rip out from the sheer banks and leave he's for more erosion. I cut as many as I can stand to cleanup.
Do use caution with the mould. A friend of mine messed up her health from eating moldy maple syrup and I am thinking that mold is not very different.
I understand the concern. This shouldn't be a problem since it is just a moment of spreading them out, then soil on top.
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Warning: don't watch while eating!
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Uhh...I know that this is amazing....but still gross :))