Is Dream's 6 Block Jump Possible?
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024
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No no, this is not Hermitcraft Season 8, and its also not hypixel bedwars, or lava rising, or viral Dream, Mr Beast, Dream, Tommyinnit or any other one of those high levels of Pewdiepie virality videos. Oh its also not minecraft, but water rises or minecraft, but lava rises, minecraft manhunt, minecraft speedrun or other challenges similar to that...this is just some psycho squid named That Chief Guy tryna fool the algorithm... I take notes from Dream ;)
I personally love how Dream ended his video with a bit of a cliffhanger, saying that if a player gains just a little more distance with each consecutive jump, a player's jump distance could theoretically go on indefinitely.
It IS true. But it would take *if i remember* 60 THOUSAND jumps just to get enough speed to do a 6 block jump.
@@computer5595 False, due to java's integer limit and plain physics proves that infact, you can not gain enough momentum to even be close.
@@computer5595 You talk about gaining speed but the original comment is about gainning distance tho
@@computer5595 momentum has a limit
@@VinnyGate Then the video i watched about this shit is just a fucking modded TAS bot thats been jumping for 60 thousand blocks or just coded to gain the speed for a 6 block jump. Well, fuck me.
All of the math has been done already, proving that the maximum jump distance with trapdoor headhitter momentum is 5.375 blocks.
For more information, look up "Movement, Misconceptions, and the 6 Block Jump" by Cynimal
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I miss when dream discussed things about Minecraft instead of just screaming and saying "oh George"
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Like the pew die pie seed sires
Its incredible to me the amount of time, sweat and knowledge that has gone into Minecraft from the community.
It really is an amazing game, even just looking at the people that play it.
Im super late to this but what if you used 45 strafes? It's where one tick you position your camera 45 degrees horizontally, and the next tick back to zero. This way, you get increased momentum each jump.
Still will not add enough distance, a single 45 gives +0.02211 blocks of distance but multiple still won't be enough, probably not much more than +0.033
I see, do you think the jump is possible?@@SuperN57
@@bloosixjr7505 It's never been possible, max distance with trapdoor headhitters is 5.375 blocks and that's been answered and proven with math a while back, cynimal has a great video on it
And this kids, is why you should stay is school, so you can mythbust videogames.
No joke though that was impressive Chief!
Stay is school....
Looks like someone did not stay in school
YESSIR
@@coolstickmanpoop9766 did not…. looks like someone didn’t know an apostrophe.
@@alexobuild6026 It is correct though. Also 'did not', looks like someone does not know how to use capital letters.
@@coolstickmanpoop9766 You didn’t either
That Chief Guy: No cheats.
Literally 2 minutes later.
"So i installed an autoclicker"
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Doesnt modifie the game itself technically its possible
@@pajatime2403 bro it was a joke
It is still cheating
@@pajatime2403whooooooosh
Technically it’s not cheating it’s called using your head
Longest is 20 block jump with speed ice a cactus and some honey
Yeah
Thanks
No, ruclips.net/video/dTH2oEqgMvw/видео.html
And jump boost and slow falling
Oh well if options are allowed add jump boost
Hi, I solved the problem:
Alternatively, you could use Steve's jump time to consider how long you would need to be in the air: 0.6s (some guy on hypixel: jumping 500 times and dividing total time by 500) and divide 5.47m by this to get ~9ms-¹. Steve's sprint velocity is almost half of this coming in at 5.6ms-¹ (src:minecraft fandom), and as a result he would not be able to make the 6 block jump.
We can reverse this calculation and find the longest possible jumping distance:
velocity × time = max jump dist.
5.6ms-¹ × 0.6s = 3.36m
A 4 block gap would be 3.47m, as assumed with the logic in your video (gap is always 0.53m less than number of blocks), which is more than the max jump distance, therefore these calculations say that you physically cannot jump even a 4 block gap without some kind of boost while in mid-air. There could, though, be this amount of variance in the variables:
-true distance ±0.005m
-jump time ±0.05s
-sprint velocity ±0.05ms-¹
but this would not affect the conclusion that you cannot jump 6 blocks as you still can't make 4 blocks even with the min distance and max velocity and time.
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This is some dedication not gonna lie
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this is one of the rare times a youtube comment actually makes me laugh out loud
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0:46 - The edge of the block doesn't end at .000, it ends at .700/.300.
0:53 - It's a 5.4 block jump (.300 from starting block + .300 on landing block).
1:55 - You landed at X: .109 (check 1 tick before landing Y: .12130), you could have moved .191 more to the front (to .300).
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Since there has been a lot of comments coming in regarding this, I believe I will address some (possible) confusion that I am seeing.
1. A 5 block jump IS possible like dream explained in his video. I even did one in this video as well
2. He theorized during his video that 6 blocks might be possible, and that is the jump distance I am trying to validate if it’s possible.
3. I am restricting myself to all the same restrictions that dream had back in his video. This means no slime, ice, potions or damage boosting (Ex: cactus), or jump blipping is not allowed.
4. As for the auto clicker I don’t see it as cheating as the frequency of hits can be simulated by a human, however I didn’t want to put unnecessary stress on my keyboard if I could prevent it.
Hopefully this clears some stuff up, and at the end of the day, who knows, a 6 block jump just like dream theorized might be possible! And I look forward to a video that proves this theory! I had a blast making the video and I hope you found it enjoyable 😄
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"who knows, a 6 block jump just like dream theorized might be possible!"
I know, its not. There is no mystery to be solved. If you check the minecraft code instead of doing your pseudo "math" you will find that every tick your speed is multiplied by some constants, a .91 drag multiplier, then adds some acceleration by using other constants. Due to the .91 drag multiplier your speed will quickly reach a limit.
This video is a mathematical breakdown of Dream’s 6 block gap jump.
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i mean you aint wrong i guess
@@sampletexto2113 ye
thanks g i didn't know, i can't read the title nor watch the video
It actually isn't
And the trapdoor one works if you remove the blocks that is near the 6 block jump because without it you keep losing your constant momentum and without it you can keep your constant speed by your constant momentum.
"sir can you use your brain to cure cancer?"
"nah"
"why not?"
"CAUSE TRYING TO DO 6 BLOCKS JUMP IS MORE FUN"
theres been videos about this before, and to many people with a decent amount of knowledge on parkour, it should be known that after about 8 jumps you cant build up any more momentum thus you cant jump 6 blocks
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@@Parkourist i think thats with speed and/or leaping potions or whatever theyre called
See uberleetzaur video on 18 blocks jump. Its need ices, headhitters, high ping, cactus, and potions
ruclips.net/video/lrmcMaomnEc/видео.html
@@Parkourist i just realised i made a mistake making this comment lol, i meant that after 8 jumps you cant build up any more momentum, thus you cant jump any further
@@Julius-Ver Isn't it that the amount of the increase of the momentum comes to a near grinding halt so that it's too low for minecraft to calculate it... and if minecraft had used double floats for momentum and speed calculations in the first place you'd eventually be able to jump any distance...
A lot of it depends on environmental conditions and which rules you allow.
A straight, horizontal, solid stone to solid stone jump, at default sprinting speed (no special effects) will indeed never reach 6 blocks.
If you allow trapdoors, you should allow ice. If you allow ice, you might as well allow cactus blocks. If you allow a cactus to increase your distance, you might as well allow honey-block slides, redstone-activated launchers, TNT-cannons, enderpearl stasis chambers, entity cramming accelerators, etc...
you preaachin! trrrrueee as helllll!!!
Those rapidly stop being about jumping, and start being random parkour shit, don't try that slippery slope nonsense
You are a god at escalating things
...which means, theoretically, If I were at the lowest y level on one corner of the world and my friend with a stasis chamber was at the highest y level at the other corner of the world, it's technically possible to jump 84852813.7423 blocks in vanilla Minecraft
When dream made that video, I made plenty of calculations. I thought a 17 block jump was possible but I never took into account the fact that you're only jumping 4 blocks! It just never passed me, it's only possible to have a five block jump.
Geometwy dash
Only Extreme demon’s can do a 17 block jump
where tf did you get 17 from
@@itsclawfee6094 Calm down Jamal
@@prollynotzincx me who can't play it because it crashes on ios 15
0:10 If you define "no cheats" as "allowed to use ceiling and ice", Yea it's possible with 1 block of ice+trapdoor momentum, but if you don't want to use ice then it's impossible. Farthest jump you can do with trapdoor ceiling no ice is 5.375 blocks (it's farther than that, but it's impossible to build that distance with blocks, so the closest is 5.375).
0:30 What you're describing is "coyote time", but for minecraft it's a bit more complexe than that.
It wasn't added on purpose, it's because the player's movement updates on the Y axis before the X and Z, resulting that you're off the ground for an extra gametick (minecraft updates every 0.05s, aka every gametick). Now it might sound useful to use that little fact to jump farther, but running on the ground loses way too much speed compared to instantly jumping again, and for those kind of distance jumps, it was calculated that it is better to jump off straight away than to run a bit before jumping off, since that extra distance isn't worth for the speed lost (however this isn't always the case, some jumps are better to run for a bit, but for this jump it is ~.375 better to jumpoff instantly instead of running a bit).
0:50 The gap is correctly smaller than 6 blocks, but not for the right reasons. First off, lets imagine that running an extra gametick IS better than jumping instantly after. Running on the ground more than 1 game tick is totally useless, since it's a LOT of wasted speed for no reason, so your test is wrong (also the edge is .3, not .0). Secondly, the speed at which you run varies from jump to jump. It's not always x or y value, if I stand at the edge and sprint forward, it's .098. If I get a lot of momentum before, it might be .3 or something similar. We usually don't take into account the distance that it gives into the distance of the jump, since it would always vary for the same exact jump. The actual distance is 5.4 blocks, because the players's hitbox is 0.6 long, so you have to jump a total of 5.4 blocks.
1:55 Your coordinates are .194 too far back
1:59 LITERALLY just hold space
2:40 Actual max speed of normal momentum is 7.1267m/s while with trapdoors it's 11.0275m/s
2:51 Speed is not constant, like you gain speed the more you jump. However the amount of speed that you gain slows down, so after ~6-7 jumps on flat momentum, your speed is *basically* a constant. (ignoring the fact that your speed changes 12 times mid jump)
3:30 Value is actually 4.775 blocks
3:52 What. Why?
4:00 From 8.11m/s to 13.93m/s, but then you slow down all the way to 6.72m/s because of drag ("friction")
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The longest possible distance a player can jump without effects is over 9 blocks, by sprint-jumping out of a 2-block-high ice corridor. The longest possible distance a player can jump with obtainable effects in survival is over 11 blocks.
2:20 dream said "just sprinting and holding space" in his video
he also used the roof technique, if you even watched the entirety of it
one thing that I didn't see in the video is the thing that if you look 45 degrees off and hold W+A or W+D instead of running straight, you can actually go a bit faster
(this even makes running across something like a one wide bridge with every other block missing possible)
Sprint jumping is faster than walking diagonally
@@philippplayz combine them
@@Pix_xel How are you supposed to sprint jump diagonally when you cannot sprint diagonally?
@@philippplayz umm... wdym not being able to sprint diagonally??
@@Pix_xel Oh, lol
I didn’t know that minecraft became a physics lesson
but what about 1 block vertical jump for the beef
I feel like I’m learning more from this guy than any math teacher I’ve ever had.
bro its not math its physics and have part of math cal
untrue.
u clearly have a degree in waffling@@hexonjames6209
You actually can jump 10 block by using the jump potion, speed potion and slow falling potion.....
You can jump 11 with a boat
That’s cheating
The question in dreams video is how far you can jump with nothing
@@demoku8949 Pretty sure I’m going to need a keyboard to jump
@@kingofallsteves4757 me on mobile: I am invulnerable to this statement
0:34
These frames are called ‘Coyote Frames’ (after the villain from the cartoon ‘Road Runner’ who doesn’t fall until he looks down, I assume) and are often implemented into platformers to make the gameplay feel more fair. I had no idea they were in Minecraft, though!
actually i think it's the hit box of the player that also contributes to it. Since f3 position is based on the center of your feet but collision is not based on the center so there is a bit of offset to it
It's used ESPECIALLY in first person games, since the perspective does not allow you to judge exactly where you are on a ledge very well.
On Blue ice can do 5 pretty easily and consistently with the right running start. Add some convenient upward jumps and head hitters and I'm sure 6 or even 7 might be doable.
Can't use ice for this one! It's some type of challenge/problem, it has rules
I'm enrolled in AP Physics right now and I found this video super interesting as an application to what we're learning. Very enjoyable! I personally would love to see the spreadsheet you used.
You ever get that spreadsheet?
@@NooniiToons Sadly no
spreadsheet wouldve been unhelpful anyways this guy tried using kinematics in java minecraft 💀@@satireincarnate16
It's possible. Turn ur screen 45 degrees to the rigth/left, and hold D/A until you land on the block. And you only need to land half a block more. Cuz if you landed at 4.5, but still landed on the 5th block, then you don't need to increase it any further.
You should upload a video of this.
a 45 strafe on flat ground only provides 0.02211 blocks of distance, regardless of initial speed
1:59 “with no cheats”
an old comment, but by cheats he means 'doing something that is impossible for your character to do normally'. The command block and auto clicker simulate the perfect run. It is possible to get perfectly in the center and jump at the perfect moment both by skill and by luck, no modifying of the character's ability. This simply takes his own personal skill out of the equation and tests whether the possibility exists.
You have forgotten 1 BIG part to helping you get to 6 blocks. As I learned from the 5 block jump, momentum is important. So you have to be jumping onto a block higher than the last one. Perhaps with enough momentum, you could get that 6 block jump. If it works, you’re welcome.
Adding a block higher than the path would be just cheating, besides, every block higher you go, add the blocks height to what you got from a previous jump, thats how far you can go if perfectly executed.
momentum has limit so its not possible
Using elevation momentum isn't enough for a six block jump, it's enough for 5 block only
@@theultimatetrashman887 how is that cheating
@@FriendlyHoodi simple physics, putting a block higher would be like adding a block to the path, making it a 5 block jump.
though, it would be less effective than making the jump shorter, cause minecraft falling physics, but still makes a big difference
This has actually been done before there is a map you can play that arranges you so perfectly that you can even make a 6 1/2 block.
Link?
i think you are talking about this? ruclips.net/video/Qw5dyML-KJE/видео.html which was 5 block jump. or this which is actually 6 blocks but ruclips.net/video/as041WOiSUU/видео.html it uses macro and uses glitch which was patched in 1.14+
At 0:25 the the gap in between a 6 block jump is six blocks
Dang! I can’t believe this was my first video watched from chief! I watch his videos weekly now, and one day binged all his videos!
3:52 So using some simple maths equations
Me: That ain’t simple to me
If this is the topic in my math class i would get straight A's
I love these kinds of videos, where math and science are used to mythbust video games. Keep it up!
You can rotate to 45C° while jumping and it will increase distance that you travel by 2%
Using 45 strafes won't make a 6b jump
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Maybe walking at a 45 degree angle? So W+A / W+D in Sprinting? I mean, it is already faster than just W Sprinting
There is a mod that can allow it, it’s called tinkers’ construct
With the skyslime boots and the sling/slingshot
OP travel speed
the slimesling is just too good
way too op
there are much easier ways to do this than using mods that are less cheating 🤦♀
@@magica3526 the boring ways,
Mods make single player Minecraft good, I have 0 friends I can play with
@@epicgaming11195 lightning speed, occasionally it can fail, but it’s easy to start back up.
What about the macro/TAS only(or maybe possible without any tool) 45degree jump glitch
Basically jump and turn 45 degrees in a tick (1/20 seconds)
first of all, thats cheating, but no. unless u use fast math in optifine, but still kinda cheating
@@xinicity no not really; the discussion is on the theoretical possibility of a 6b jump, and all things that a TAS can do, are also technically doably by a human being, given enough attempts.
so no, TASing to prove the possibility of a jump is not cheating.
The 45 strafe isn't cheating, and no it doesn't give you enough speed to make a 6b jump (longest flat jump being the 5.375b, which is a 5block jump to a fence)
Nope, a single 45 strafe only provides 0.02211 extra blocks of distance on a flat jump
This went from minecraft to physics really fast
As technoblade said: stay in class it makes you better at Minecraft (I think that’s what he said)
Add ice blocks it makes you jump farther
Ice blocks are considered a gimmick
The momentum loss is because the speed from the jumping comes from the fact that on the upwards part of the jump, it has the speed, but on the descent, the horizontal speed is slower. So remove the very last trapdoor, but none of the other ones.
Jump boost potion: I’m gonna ruin this man’s whole career
same with speed lol
A 6 block jump is possible, but you would need a lot of momentum forwards, and upwards as well. As is seen in the 5 block jump.
Facts
@LEMON KAI what way
False, due to java's integer limit and plain physics proves that infact, you can not gain infinite momentum.
@@VinnyGate I didnt say infinite
Its could happen but
Its just a theory a game theory XD
4:17
1 minecraft block = 1 meter
So your traveling more than 5 m/s
There is a thing called flight time in projectile motion which determines the amount of time u r in air, so velocity x time = displacement, so you need to either increase the flight time or increase the velocity
I love how chief spent an entire video on this whilst someone has done this as a neo
? 5block neos aren't possible lol
“Remember kids go to school it will make you better at Minecraft” a quote from a legend
2:18 if the flor is ice you’l Go even faster
Now that's makes sense , he used maths and physics in a perfect way !!
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didnt think i would be watching a guy comparing graphs and calculating numbers on a spreadsheet about the terminal velocity of a minecraft player jumping like 1 more meter further than usual
Using jump boost 2, speed 2, slow falling, blue ice and trapdoor headhitters, a 16 or maybe even a 17 block jump is possible
In his video, Dream specifically said that headhitters weren't allowed
Ye
jsut do a shit ton of perfect 45 strafes on like a super long block
They're showing that even with something as simple as headhitters it ain't possible to reach 6 blocks..and you'd need headhitters to even make 5.
"the farthest I can jump without cheats"
*installs autoclicker*
Technically some people are skilled enough to press as fast as an autoclicker, well not when it is at max power
4:24 = Conclusion
Have we ever thought about a potion cald swiftness and an elytra
If when you look exactly 45° while sprinting, sprintjumping jumping etc you go like 2% fazter
You won't be able to make a 6b jump
when a genius plays mincraft…
Me: it is dangerous
3:20 MANS TURNED INTO A ZOMBIE
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Chief being awesome as always.
You know that if you jump from a 90 degree position you can do a 5 block jump right? Maybe combine that with standing on the edge and maybe it works.
You can't do a 5b jump with flat momentum.
Strafing is faster than straight walk
your so underrated! great video!
Hahaha I am learning about velocities and acceleration in physics right now.
Yasssss! #teamphysics!
@iGalactic Math is used a lot in physics, yes, so it's not uncommon to learn a little physics in math :)
1:16 i thought u go faster by tapping w and s/d in a certain angle
yeah I thought the 45 degree jump is the best too
Umm, as a gamedev that time in the jump where you float, its known as coyote timing, because the first people to implement it called it that with the coyote from roadrunner in mind
This has given me the courage to face my maths test on Tuesday cause I will need it for minecraft. Danke chief ❤❤
Dose this count as my math class?
That's not really a good way to test it, and not all of it is correct such as the starting things like saying the gap is actually 5.47 blocks (it's 5.4 blocks, but for a different reason)
Though there is proof by Cynimal that a 6 block jump is not possible, and at most 5.375 blocks is possible
ruclips.net/video/qUFzMkDYsXc/видео.html
nice i was looking for someone who knew that video
Wouldn't the .530 apply to both sides of the gap? If you can run that far off, I would think you can land that far early.
Not quite, "coyote" time as its often called isn't based on the collision of the block, but rather is a grace period you are given after leaving the collision, after a couple moments you fall, even if standing still
However ledge collision extends about a third of a block out anyway(its weird stuff), so the coyote time only applies for about .230 distance
@@syrelian what do coyotes have to do with this?
@@refrigeratorrex4184 Its in reference to the antics of Wile E. Coyote, of Loony Toons fame, and his habit of ending up hanging in the air after walking off a cliff, as if ground was still beneath him, only for gravity to resume function the moment he notices his predicament
Math teacher: Math is important for your life.
Him: Yea totaly..FOR MINECRAFT
Momentum increases speed which means if you get perfect jump combination then you can. Camman18 did a RUclips shorts on it.
But still very hard
It's still possible if you have enough momentum
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Nope, it is impossible
Man shut up comment stealing bot
Can U Be My Math Teacher?
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0:50 me: JUMP IS JUMP
“No cheats, just run and jump”
“so i installed an auto clicker”
Dream: just running and jumping, no head hits
this is actually possible, but you need a lot of momentum to do it
Edit: woah I didn't expect my comment to get 25 likes
no, it's impossible
prove it
my man gonna show us how to get a lot of momentum in a video game
it kinda really do be impossible tho because momentum caps out.
look at dudes profile pic bruh
Little late dude... Parkour community has already talked about this on multiple occasions due to the outrage on dream for spreading false information. Also 18 block jump is possible with ice trapdoors and stuff. Cool though I guess...
150+ block jump
Not ice and trap doors only. It requires a ton of other things to do an 18 block jump. Ice blocks, trap doors, punch 2 arrows from skeleton, being on fire, hitting a cactus, jump potions, speed.
Plus dreak talking about false information is fucking bullshit. Dream talked aboit actual real information. The map dream used also got made by some parkour guy named "ub3r". So it is true. By the way, dream talked about just doing a 5 block jump by sprinting and jumping. Not ice and trapdoors. So its not fake information. Im not a dream stan either. You damn pricks saying im a dream stan cause im just saying stuff.
@@computer5595 dream stan lmao.
literal white knight tier 3 sub
@@computer5595 uber was a pedo so... also it literally is impossible. dream spread actual false info because momentum caps out after 10-11 sprint jumps
We have to acknowledge how much time this guy put into doing all this math, I come to conclude, he’s a genius
Stay in school kids - it’ll make you better at Minecraft
- The Pig King
You forgot the 45 stafes that can help you to go a little bit further without headhitters (its also possible with I think but it’s inhuman and a tickrate changer is needed I think)
ye
Haven’t seen Dream’s video, but I have an idea how to do a "6 block jump" without headhitters, ice or anything like that…and yeah, I am aware of the fact that this probably doesn’t even count as "6 block jump" but I had an idea to use falling as the factor that "boosts" us, so technically, if you build up high enough, build a path, earn some momentum and then jump and just hold the W key, you should be able to "jump more than 6 blocks"…or maybe it’s just me overthinking things lol
When it comes to camman18 . He said "its all about momentum" no headhitters no ice nothing you supposed to used
In case you didn’t want to watch this 4:30 video the answer is no. It’s not possible.
0:45 the max you can get is .656 off the edge of the block
Him: no cheats
Him: ima use a autoclicker and command block
1:22 "Perfectly straight")))
There’s already a map(one dream used) designed for any player to replicate the 6 block jump. I’ve done it before and so did my friends. Just try it yourself
That Chief Guy: without cheats
Also That Chief Guy: I used a command block and an auto clicker.
Except how trapdoor jumping is against the rules of. “Just running and jumping”
when, with no ice, head hitter, the best jump possible is 4.7 block ( jump of 5 blocks). but only with perfect timming jump, perfect elevation and totally straight run.
Munbo jumbo when does "simple redstone"
I mean, technically, a thirteen-block jump is possible in survival
this could seem crazy, but the 11 block jump is possible!!! If you use trapdoors and a blue ice sidewalk, and you jump at the right moment when you take damage from a cactus, you can jump very far, and all this without any effects
Use blue ice and put another trapdoor in top but open making have more chance of getting some result. You can also put a piston with slime block that impulses while also using the trapdoor and blue ice could maybe do a 6 block jump.
Teatcher: ''You can't learn anything from youtube''
That Chief Guy:
The solution to this is head bumping your head for a imense amount of time as this will slowly accelerate your player and at the same time slowly stretching your jump distance. All though it may take a while I think it will work