Twilight does what Dune NEVER Could...
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What makes a good part one to a two part movie? Films like Dune, The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn part 1, and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 1 are some of the most notable examples, but even franchises NOT based on books are trying to double dip. So let's evaluate these films in the Harry Potter, Twilight, and Dune franchises to figure out, not only if they're good movies, but more importantly if they are good first parts in two part stories.
We'll be analyzing each of these movies and scoring them on a scale of 1 to 10 across four categories in order to determine their strengths and weaknesses, as well as what Hollywood should learn for their successes and failures.
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Which movie series has the best 2 part-er?
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Allegiant. The story is just too funny
Terminator?
Alien?
Evil Dead (2 and 3).
So harry potter started this? I mean Matrix Reloaded Revisited did it, kill bill 1 and 2 did it. Iit's like when younger people than me make videos their timelines history just starts at some age you started watching movies and cared and nothing else ever happened before that. Your arguments are great but it's this massive blindspot and how you point out that you have it by ignorantly declaring to know exactly how something started that has been going on since before I was born is always offputting and you're not the only one who does this.
secondly if you had researched why the film was released the way it was. They told him 1 movie you do the book. He said I want to to do two movies. They said well the first one has to make a lot of money. Sso when he called it Dune while yes it is a trick it's also not a trick at the same time, I knew that going in but the movie had to make enough money to get the sequel. That is the reason I haven't seen it yet. I love Villeneuve and I just new I had to watch it all together or i'd be upset and blueballed for three years.... Again wearing your ignorance as a shield. If we don't know where we've come from we'll just keep doing it again. Just like it ever was.
“Movies should be made for the people that see them, not the people that make fun of them online.” EVERY FILMMAKER IN HOLLYWOOD NEEDS TO INTERNALIZE THIS.
Not knowing anything about Dune and listening to your summaries is like trying to grasp a foreign language
Lol yeah it do be like that
please ignore this idiot and read the books. or watch the films! they are very good too
Same and idk anything about Twilight either 😭
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial You know nothing
How do you mean?
As a guy who only got into twilight saga because of my highschool girlfriend, I always loved Bella's Dad as a character, he felt the most genuine/relatable, and I was even more happy that Billy Burke portrayed him in the films, because I definitely believed he nailed the character. I remember seeing the first movie and was like wow they casted the perfect person as Charlie.
He's such a good audience insert without running into the META or IRONIC trope where he's basically critiquing the movie he's in. He just reacts realistically and Billy Burke's portrayal, like you said, grounds the film in a really neat way
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial It's not possible that either one of you have read the book. Thanks for this conversation, it spares me the trouble of watching your video.
@@m.p.6039as someone who read the book you are being pretentious and I agree with both of the opinions above yours. #teamcharlie
@@m.p.6039 I read the books, and I agree with them and will gladly watch the video
Rewatching the films as a parent now it is heartbreaking watching Charlie try so hard to parent Bella without losing her like he did her mom. Seeing him try to help her in New Moon and just feeling so lost is more gut wrenching to me than Bella's grief itself
I haven‘t watched the video yet but you can’t tell me I was the only one, who the talking hyperintelligent unborn baby reminded of Twilight💀💀
Not to mention that Anya Taylor Joy has BIG Twilight Vampire energy.
My dad (who is/was a major Dune fan for as long as I can remember) made some comment that Renesmee felt like a knock-off Alia when Breaking Dawn came out. 😂
Twilight was probably one of the reasons why they decided to keep Alia as a fetus instead of showing her as a baby like the book did. Also it's fun to look up Alia in the Lynch adaptation and the short series adaptation.
Never seen twilight
Keep it that way @@Loveselfloveall1
Absolutely chaotic decision to use the “good dad coefficient”. I have no idea how this makes a movie a good part one. Fantastic. Never let them know your next move
When I saw Dune part one in theaters, the movie shut off at roughly the 15 minute mark. Somebody in the theater joked, "well they did say it was part one!". Everybody laughed. It was great!
Man that reminds me of when me and my friends went to see power rangers 2017, and some guy in the front row had his phone on full brightness as the movie started and a woman just yells "we''re not gonna be on our phone for the whole movie now areeeee weee????"
The light suddenly disappeared and everyone silently agreed that that woman was a hero
its refreshing to see a channel give twilight its due. it was a gigantic franchise with a still active community but so many people discount it simply because it was for teenage girls, despite making literally billions.
People love to dismiss media made for women even though women are instrumental in creating trends. So many fandoms existed or thrived bc of the passionate women that were part of it and they don’t get enough credit
Twilight was very good. I think the characters were difficult to write. And she nailed the tortured male child in my opinion. I enjoyed the books and movies.
@@bamdealwithit...474who’s the tortured male child? Edward?
@@Asteroids50Technically that applies to all of the male characters.
No. People discount it cause it's poorly written, the leads are boring, Edward is creepy and the fanbase is gross (see how y'all attacked and was HORRIBLE to FKA Twiggs)
Fans were super mad about the fake out battle in Breaking Dawn part 2 (at the time), but now I think it’s probably the dopest part of those movies.
FINALLY….. 😂
Had to give Jane what was coming to her... even if it was all theoretical
I was mad too, but it's better than the domper of the book ending.
That Dune bait and switch had me and my whole family walking out of the theater completely confused. 😅
Right?!?! When the subtitle popped up on screen my whole theater kinda went "hmmm...." and as the last line of the movie dropped i couldn't help but be disappointed. If they were just honest in the marketing I wouldn't have minded but they intentionally omitted the truth
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial yeah, the marketing was the main issue. I expected a _complete_ story, so the plot genuinely confused me on the first viewing. I rewatched it with my dad months later (his first time seeing it), and we both enjoyed it. Probably because we knew what we were getting going into it.
Setting proper expectations for a movie is HUGE, and it's why the Hollywood Marketing approach needs to change. Also why it's helpful when writing a movie to think to yourself "would this make for a cool trailer"
Same!! I spent the whole movie confused with no idea where we were in the runtime
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial the thing is that Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning had part 1 in their title and marketing and it did not do that well box office wise. It probably was because of the "part 1" and people did not want to have to watch two movies to get the complete story, so some didn't bother watching. It was pretty genius of dune to hide "part 1" in their marketing, as it did well relatively (height of covid and was put on hbo max on release day). As a dune fan before the first Villeneuve movie came out, I somehow already knew it was only first half of the story because they did not have certain key characters. But I do get the disappointment.
It’s so refreshing to see a different perspective on movies that most people hate on - I loved the Twilight books and movies, but as time went on with rarely anyone saying anything good about them, my respect for them dwindled. You give solid insight into why they were so loved - reminding me to stay true to myself and not let the critics downplay my own experience - well done!
Glad i could do that!
That thumbnail is beyond terrifying please never do that shit again😭
Agreed 😅
lol, I try making simple and aesthetically pleasing thumbnails but no one clicks on them and my videos don't get views. Weird stuff seems to get people to stop and click, unfortunately. And click through rate is SUPER important. Most of my videos have the same watchtime and like to dislike ratio, but a difference in just a percent or 2 of ctr means the difference between 1 thousand views and 100 thousand views. I wish RUclips wasn't like this, but it is.
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial yo ain't no one asked, just make aesthetically pleasing thumbnails
@@PandaNinjaguy I, like many, appreciate transparency and understanding reasons behind people's actions. There might also be other people who post videos who see that explanation and find it useful. Because so much of RUclips these days has been turned into a game rather than solely people putting up content they're passionate about, unfortunately.
its refreshing to see someone talk good about twilight for once
Yeah. Gonna work on some more in depth videos on it a little later down the road
Nice to find a fellow Twi-hard! I found the books and movies exasperating but fascinating in equal measure. I really wish someone would write an adult spinoff focusing on Carlisle - a cross between 'House' and 'Blade'.
I’ve always wanted to them to do a dark prequel about Carlisle’s time with the Volturi (very Interview with a Vampire) Maybe as a tv series
@@Asteroids50 I doubt that would happen as he target audience for twilight and interview with the vampire are vastly different age groups.
Gotta make it a SERIES. It cannot be made into a movie. We already see it stretching at the seems as they pretty much skipped over the entire relationship with Paul and Chaani.
They had some good development in part 2, but not nearly enough. Their relationship feels so rushed in the movie and a series would have had more time for them to grow
It was. A miniseries. FYI
@@Sab_MJsMamaI’ve never seen it. Was that any good?
I read the 6 books written by Frank Herbert. I really enjoyed the movies and can say that splitting Dune into two movies was the best decision they made. I wouldn't have minded if they split it into three movies as there were a lot of details the movies missed. They tried to do one film in '84 and while it was good aesthetically, the story telling fell flat. The first book has all it's stories in the details of the book which are so many. It sets the stage for Dune Messiah where the themes of the story first appear. Unlike stories like Lord Of The Rings, Twilight, and other stories, where good guys and bad guys are distinct, Dune takes the good guy/bad guy scenario and blurs the lines to focus on the dangers of following heroes and charismatic leaders. By the time Dune Messiah starts, Paul has basically become a sort of space Hitler or sorts. We see the consequences of everything he did in the second book. One commentary I heard said the stories had is that everything people wanted was wrong. Paul was wrong in his own right, Kynes was wrong in her beliefs, basically everything that can go wrong goes wrong. The changes in the movie help to be a prelude to the themes. It's kind of a story where you get everything by reading the books because they all reveal new concepts that make sense later on.
Great disservice to Dune only considering Leto in the good dads category, and not his other male role models
The captain crunch bit is the BEST part of this video. HILARIOUS
Lol im glad that joke landed😁
honestly i get your point, but in both atsv and dune's cases it depends on just how much you enjoyed the journey. i personally enjoyed both of them tremendously, so the cliffhangers didn’t frustrate me, just made me incredibly hyped for the continuations. and based on how well dune part 2 is doing i think most people feel the same. like being "cheated" out of an ending is not an issue as long as you know it's coming and that it's planned out, and if you enjoy the story i dont see why you would have an issue with prolonguing that excitement a bit before the ending actually comes. I'd much rather have two parters that were intended to be like that instead of a one and done story that gets unnecessary sequels that ruin my enjoyment of the original, or even worse a story that gets dumbed down simply because it's not allowed the time to develop those ideas. yes it's not the classic structure most of us are used to for storytelling, but if it allows us to get movies like dune and spiderverse then I'm more than fine living in that reality
Wait, it wasn't obvious that it would be more than one movie? There was no way they could adapt the Dune book to one movie, that's what the previous adaptations have struggled with. I knew this and i haven't even read the book yet.
Lot's of people weren't familiar with the source material or previous adaptations. They went to see Dune and got 1/2 of Dune. Whether it was worth it or not, it was absolutely a bait and switch
I still love the Twilight series ❤
This is the way
Had it been me, I'd have stopped Dune: Part One with the image of Jessica and Paul looking at Arakeen after the attack. It would mean rearranging things so that Leto's death was shown before this, but I don't see why that wouldn't work.
I agree!! I think this would have been a great way to have a cohesive narrative structure and also set up that there is more to come. I feel like the main reason they didn’t do this is bc they wanted to have Zendaya in part 1
I think Dune 1 ended at an important point. It ends when Paul looses his innocence and childhood after killing for the first time. The second ends after embracing being the Messiah.
these bionicle references are wild
almost made the entire ad read one big bionicle reference but I chickened out. Mata Nui forgive me
Imma subscribe just for being a fan of twilight. Bonus points for Avatar.
a) heck yeah
b) this is hilarious because the last person to comment on this video was basically like "How can you like those two franchises"
Dude as an associate though reluctant twihard and a doomed Avaturd, who also just so happens to be a Diehard (is a Christmas movie) Potterhead and a devoted Arachean... well suffice it to say man I have watched many of your movies, and I have finally (way too long in coming) subscribed!
Radical! Thanks
I'm glad you made this detailed analysis between the novels and their adaptations and why some details are transferable to the screen than others. When I read Breaking Dawn back in '08, my main concern was how they were going to adapt it and do proper justice to it, without leaving out key elements in the story. I agree with you that it does a better job of leaving the cliffhanger of part 1 better than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows does, but I think the filmmakers wanted the audience to see (whether they'd read the book or not) that Voldemort's possession of the Elder Wand was going to be an important factor in part 2.
Great video. My one thing is, as good of an analysis of the dads was, I’m not sure what that has to do with them being part ones. The other factors make sense for it but that one feels like you just wanted to talk about the dads for a bit
Imma let you in on a little secret... I just wanted to talk about the dads for a bit
Love that this video had a beginning, middle, end and plot twist!😀
Thank you! It's funny cause the two main types of comments this video has been getting are either "this video surprised me, how fun!" or "This video wasn't what I expecting, I hate it" But knew what I was getting into by making a twilight video with an Avatar twist
My ONLY problem with the ENTIRE 8-film Potter series is the ending battle between Harry & Voldemort. In the book, it was written PERFECTLY. The stakes were there and Voldemort was finally ended by being outsmarted by Harry & the crux of the entire series... he didn't understand love.
What did we get after 8 movies worth of story? A dumbed down lightsaber battle with two people just aiming at each other till one gets dusted.
Yeah the battle in the 5th movie basically nails what the book does so well in deathly hallows
I think it's fundamentally flawed to judge the part 1s alone. I think you have to judge a two-parter three times - how does each part function as a standalone story, and how do they work together as a single narrative. A part 1 could be an excellent film by itself, but leave nothing interesting for the part 2 or be completely incohesive with part 2.
With the Harry Potter adaptations I'm not so much upset at leaving out scenes, it's how practically every movie character is a lesser, more two dimensional version of their book character. The movies took flanderization to a whole new level. And the characters are the heart of that series. All of the magic and action is meaningless because the movies failed to capture the heart of the series.
lol. I miss the excitement that came from the twilight series. it was quite the experience. All the women in my family came out to watch the movies together and buy the merch.
Because everyone knows that Hank=Science... LOVE IT!!!!
This might sound crazy but personally I think Dune should've ideally been one 3 hour long epic. The first 45 minutes focusing on House Atreides until they are attacked, the following 45 minutes of the story would focus on Paul and his mother's escape until they meet the Fremen, marking the halfway point, and then we still have 90 minutes to show Paul going through the rites of passage of being accepted as their saviour (helping them fight against the spice harvesting machines, riding a sandworm, and some romantic moments with Chani, which would naturally go hand in hand with these setpieces). Paul's transition from humble to decisive leader isn't even a gradual change that requires lots of screen time either, as he spends most of the film rejecting the prophecy, but then drinks magic water and suddenly accepts it. So the story already has a pretty solid device to contextualize the character's arc in a concise manner.
If you think this isn't achievable, look no further than the first LOTR film, in which we get a very similar structure: the first quarter of the film takes place in the Hobbit town and introduces the world and setting, and then the following quarter shows the characters journey to the Elves town, marking the halfway point, still leaving the latter 90 minutes for a farely dense sequence of events, including the fellowship's adventure through several terrains until they reach the caverns, their trip through the caverns, where they lose Gandalf, and then a final act with a bit more closing action, showing the fellowship being divided. TLOTR managed to pull this off by only keeping the most crucial elements of the story and structuring it well. I think if Dune had adopted a similar approach, this too would be achievable here. I still loved the 2 parter we got, but ideally I'd rather have 1 epic satisfying story with no time wasted, than a more faithful adaptation divided into 2 longer films, neither as satisfying as watching the entire story from start to finish in a well structured epic.
Ooh that would have been awesome. If Hollywood can justify the runtime of Killers of the flower moon, certainly they could have done it for dune
Couldn’t disagree more - if anything I wanted more with Dune, not less
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial agreed, although I think the decision to cut it in 2 wasn't fully driven by the studios, I suspect Villeneuve himself wanted to split it from being insecure if the story could be told in 1 film, due to the David Lynch film not really working in terms of pacing. But I think the problem with Lynch's film wasn't that it was only 1 film, it's that it was too short for the narrative being told
@@DragonsFrogs I understand if you're a fan of the source material and world, but to me, judging it purely as a film, as a narrative being told cinematically, I think being concise is always a plus, and these runtimes really didn't feel justified to me, especially the first film, it very much felt like half of a story and didn't hold up as it's own self contained narrative, something which was not a problem in other franchises for me. it didn't need to be 2,5 hours in my opinion
This makes me sad. That great story telling, character development, and world-building should ever be compromised for people's shortened attention spans. Condensing all of Dune into a 3 hr movie would be like shortening all 3 LOTR movies into one. Make that make sense.
The way I kept waiting for the secret twist of The Hunger Games Mockingjay part 1 and 2 being shoved in at the end and then quickly being deemed the loser was a setup for failure that I inflicted on myself 😂😭💀
Dune part one didn't bother me because I knew it was a two parter going in. What did upset me was Across the Spiderverse for all of the reasons Dune part one upset you.
Now I want to watch all the movies back to back. Thank you. ☺ One of the best analysis I have seen.
The last five minutes of the video gave me whiplash, the plot twists kept on coming. This was delightful
Saw this comment but couldn't see what video it was on at first. I was like "shoot which one of my videos has plot twists?"" and then saw which one you were referring to and was like "yeah that one does get a bit goofy for a second there"
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial The thing is, most of it was a pretty straight forward analysis and comparison of the three movies. Then near the end with the criteria of "good dads" and The Way of the Water prevailing out of nowhere, I just lost it. Thanks for giving me a good laugh
I can't wait for the causal Dune fans to be utterly crushed by Dune Messiah, or Dune Part 3 if you will. "Paul's a hero!" "Oh the love story between Paul and Chani is sooo beautiful!" - LOL (evil laugh) you have no idea.
And sorry, I hated Twilight - if it wasn't toxic relationships it was weird baby CGI with imprinting on an adult man.... no, just no.
"Twilight does what Dune NEVER Could...":
Suck.
OMG, I discovered your channel just today, but you are a Twihard AND an Avatard? Instant sub
YAAAAAAS CONTRA POINTS CAMEO
Absolutely adored her Twilight video even if it was secretly a philosophy lesson on the various types of love and society's taboos around them with very little Twilight...
I cannot take anyone who says the two worst Harry Potter adaptations are the best movies seriously. Goblet if Fire is the second worst adaptation ever that I know of, shortly behind Queen of the Damned. There's no excuse for his bad it is.
A movie can be a bad adaptation but good film
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial true, but in the case of Goblet if Fire it it strays too far for me & Nd in the case of Half blood Prince, I have to think of it as a different storyline. Harry getting the memory was a good change. Leaving out so much of Voldemort's back story and ignoring the titular plot to turn it into a teenage romcom is obnoxious at best. I'll try the video again, but when I'm in a better head space.
This was a unique and fun comparison of 3 movies/series that I have grown up with. Honestly, I really like Dune. As a book reader, these movies (separately and together) and pretty darn perfect imo, but I can see why there are people who don't like it too, especially non-readers. I'm always interested in hearing that perspective. You had critiques that were reasonable & valid (again, especially as a non-reader), and I enjoyed the crossover with HP and Twilight. :) Also, Avatar 2 coming out of nowhere at the end was great. I ended up liking Avatar 2, but not as much as the first one. As for your question: which movie series has the best part 2... The Godfather pt. 2 could compete for that #1 spot. Just throwing that out there
Yeah ive really come to like dune after the 2nd movie came out. And i get not liking avatar 2 as much as 1. I think its fantastic but its only half a story. Whether dune or avatar finishes their story first, honestly who knows at this point
"Superb daddies" shows Carlisle. Yes, Twilight had the best fathers ... and daddies.
To be honest, I also think Avatar 2 was a great movie. The characters were introduced and developed so well, and the overarching theme about respect for the environment was inserted seamlessly. Especially the ending really hit hard, with that character that we got attached to dying, and the way the other characters grow...idk how to explain without spoiling anything but yeah. 10/10.
But seriously, I didn't see that Avatar bit coming. Is it April fools? XD
it's funny. Harry Potter 6 the 'Dumbledore has a Drink' movie was so bad I forgot they made two more.
yes, they should make movies for the audience. I feel like people forget that when making movies these days...lmao
I think that if they got more of the time between the artreidis arriving at dune to their destruction and cut out the escape scene at the end to be the beginning of the second film then dune part 1 and 2 would have been perfect for me.
I kind of think they should have just started the film in transit to Arakis. You can give context on the way there, but I don't think starting out on the homeworold adds enough to justify the runtime. The biggest scene that would be hard to rework is the Gom Jabbar (excuse my spelling) but even then they could just flash back to that or do something really cool where Jessica is forced to administer the test herself.
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial They definatly spent too much time on the home world, Eaven if you switch the perspective to Leto there isnt a lot of character work or story work that you could only do on the home world and not on arrakis.
The captain crunch clip killed me. The mouth shredder.
It's so worth it though. No other cereal compares
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial 💯 no pain no Gain
Please cover the new Dune! (Part 2)
I've never came zooming to the comments as fast I just did.
Spiderverse was split into two parts not because it was meant to be but because of timing issues. It does not fit into the narrative of "oh, they meant to do this in two parts" they just literally couldn't finish it in time
Huh. When I watched the first part of Dune, I knew it wasn't the whole movie, so to speak. I knew he hoped to make a second part so he could finish his story. Maybe it was made clearer to people like us Swedes, who got the movie a bit later than Americans (as usual). Hence, we were forewarned.
Still, if I had one complaint with the first part, it was that the Atreides family didn't feel like a true family to me. Lynch (who made the 1984 version) actually made the family feel more real, for some reason, than Villeneuve did. At least in my opinion. But maybe I was a bit distracted by the oh so very loud movie. During the second part, I used earplugs, which made it much more enjoyable to listen to. Never missed a sound. Imagine that.
My only complaint about Dune is that Zendaya and Chalamet have no chemistry and that makes it feel like their relationship is shallow so then then he said he's going to marry the princess there's not much impact
"SUPERB DADDIES" YEEEESSSS OMG
I will be honest, the only part of the Dune score I can recall is the woman singing over dramatic shots of Paul staring into the desert. Nothing else stands out for me which is rather disappointing - kind of like Dune Part 2. I’ll agree with you that bait and switch for a split movie caught me off guard as well and I left theaters for the first film feeling like it was rather rushed. The cinematography was great, though it definitely made the sequel way longer than it had any right to be, in my opinion anyway.
Great video, and I’m glad RUclips recommended your channel to me. And Charlie is hands down best movie dad I have ever seen. Sorry not sorry, Jake Sully 😂
Oh let's be clear, Charlie beats Jake any day.
If I could, I would insert the scene of him and the shot gun from the first movie. Cinema gold right there lol
"I know Edward will be a good husband... because I know things... like how to hunt someone to the ends of the earth..."
10/10 dialogue, that is. 👏
Good content man! But I have a small criticism that I've also felt in other of your videos.
Maybe it is just me, but most of the facecam parts seem "intense" in a rigid way to me. As if you were talking sitting behind a table in a job interview or something like that. I think it is because, while you are quite expressive in the ways you move your head and face while talking the rest of your body seems "restrained" in comparison probably because of the sitting position and close camera shot.
Per example, I can see from your shoulders that you are actually moving your arms a bit while talking, but since the arms or hand itself aren't seen at all, it feels as if you are "tied down". The part where you present the video sponsor feels a lot more natural and relaxed to the viewer and I think the main reason is that the camera is a bit further away and your arms and hands can be seen in movement more clearly (again, maybe this is just me and other people prefer the closer camera setup).
Hey thanks for putting this in a kind and constructive way. I'm really working on talking and presenting on camera in a more natural way. A big part is im working on adjusting my recording settings on my mic to be able to move without picking up noise ao I can be more animated (which is how I talk naturally) might take a bit but I am addressing this and hope to improve!
I know this isn’t entirely relevant to the video, but I DO believe that Spiderverse being cut into two movies makes sense for two reasons:
1. The movie was already getting pretty long and it going even longer would risk audience fatigue.
2. The movie still has a beginning, middle, and end, just not for the main character. It is Gwen Stacy who fills a character arc in this movie, so there IS a finished story here, and now with Gwen’s arc finished, there will be more room to focus on other things in the next movie.
For me, the cliffhanger in Spiderverse feels more like the cliffhanger for Back To The Future Part 2. Sure, the overall story isn’t finished yet, but we still got an arc with reversing the bad timeline. I feel that Miles’s story in the next Spiderverse will be like Marty’s in BTTF Part 3, where we get the payoff for what was set up in the previous movie. I know that seems obvious, but I think it’s overall a smart decision to save the most important plot points for later. If Miles completed his arc in the current movie, we would have less to gnaw on in the finale.
13:35 I disagree. He lost one of the most important running themes of Dune by cutting what every Dune seems to cut. The Jessica/Thufir scene, ironically he did the second perfectly the tent scene although I'm not sure we got to know the characters enough to develop why that was a perfect scene which was the biggest issue is he cut a lot of character development despite having two movies. Ironically, he gave character development to the people who had almost no development in the books. There are a lot of things in that movie that did not feel like Dune, if and some things felt more like doing than the book itself. It's a mixed bag and based on his statements about a director's cut I feel like the directors ego got in the way a lot. Which is a pity cuz you can also tell deep down he's a fan. But perhaps one that lost his way due to power. So I guess that fits the theme too.
14:44 I agree in my previous statement will explain why.
The Cap'n Crunch 💀😂💀
Oh for sure HP did not stay a children's series. Not sure it ever was opening with a double murder though.
Bella L
This video feels like a fever dream lol the fact that Dune is being compared to TWILIGHT!!!
Whats wrong with comparing d'une to twilight?
The problem with the Hunger Games director getting so much shit for splitting the last movie into two is that 1) it had too much content to cover in one movie, and 2) it led to snakes & planes or whatever it is being presented as two movies stapled together.
21:57 but beware, it is long enough to be a 6th twilight movie
Where did Avatar even come from? This is not how you foreshadow lol.
Ah but you see Jake Sully is Toruk Maktow: "rider of last shadow".
I never watched twilight love dune I understand taking good
I felt the same way about Dune being 'part one' ... I felt letdown ... I thought I'd missed where it advertised as being split (apparently I didn't)
I too am a Twiharf😅 and the more we can talk about Leah the better
*TwiHard
Dune 2 was great as a cinematic experience (besides an even WORSE bait-and-switch ending) but SUCKED as an adaptation and I don't think anyone who read the books has ground to disagree, "we're just Harkonnens so we'll do it like Harkonnens" made me want to vomit blood into my sandworm popcorn bucket
I was so bored during Dune Part 1, I almost didn't see part 2. Then Part 2 was one of the best movies in awhile
Thats kind of where I was at 2. I respect what one was doing, but it just felt deeply unsatisfying knowing that 2 wasn't greenlit yet.
I haven’t seen Dune Part 2 because I was so bored on part 1.
I don't really get the part about grading and how the Deathly Hallows is uh.. real? Because these movies look absolutely not real at all. Reality isn't strangely muted in color or tinted blue or green or something like that.
Unfortunately Villeneuve has the weakest plot signposting ever seen, to the point where it's impossible to figure out where the characters are going, why, what they intend to do, why is Mary Jane angry etc. It's all a meta mystery and each bit of clarity is a reveal only to the audience. That whole movie is just a chain of setpieces: **AWE** . I had to explain my friends what was going on because I read the books, and this included exposition on the worldbuilding and backstory. Not to mention part 2 literally did that scene from Life of Brian, but here it was unintentional comedy.
I've literally watched none of these (I read harry potter though) why am I watching this lol good video
I guess that's something you gotta reflect on. All the answers you seek are inside you
YESS New moon rights!!
There are movies that are over 10 hours long. Any of these films could have been one movie easily.
Dune might end up being a three parter, but not a trilogy. It will be an extended prologue, the movie, and an extended epilogue.
I think you are the only one I heard talk praise about Charlie Swan.
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I never had an isue with him im the book. Yes he is not the talkative person and like his daily rutine and feel he does not know to express emotions but he also does show them. I am starting to rant so lets sign out here.
Twilight ironically did do something Villeneuve's Dune did not.
Actually adapt the book and not some warped mirror world universe of the book, or it's vapid, story gutted MCU style cousin.
I'll take HP and Dune over Twilight. The only Twilight character I cared about was Rosalie and wish there was more of her and her story.
Yeah there was a lot of depth to her character but they didn't have much time in the movies to delve into it. Books were a bit better, but still could have used a lot more focus
Being bad. Sure
Boom roasted
the way of water was crap, except for the vfx
Whys that?
It should have been 3 parts. Part 2 felt too truncated. Too much was cut out and there wasn't enough character developement. I was a huge fan of part 1 and I don't understand why everybody loves part 2 so much. Probably because they haven't read the book...
Does that mean Allegiant ends on a cliffhanger?
A little I guess 😂 but the movie is so far removed from the book it’s crazy. Honestly, I still liked them more than the hunger games because I’m biased.
Growing up the Hunger Games book were so freaking boring I couldn’t stand them. I skipped so much just to get to a piece of dialogue. First book I read about 85%, 2nd about 70% and 3rd 50%.
Divergent was always more exciting because of the writing flowed better and it had less description.
LMAO THE TWIST
Pulled a little sneaky one on ya
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Twilight panders to its demographic. Dune alienates everyone but its demographic. The recent Star Wars movies alienated everyone, including their devoted demographic. But thats why I love LOTRs, the Harry Potter series, the Marvel Comics saga and now the Avatar films. They hit the sweet spot, right in the middle.
I can kinda get behind twilight, kinda cringe but its not a bad movie.
But avatar 2? Legitimately one of the worst movies I saw last year.
Whys that?
If avatar 2 makes your list for worst of the year, you should watch some more movies. Cocaine Bear, Paint, Tar, Beau is Afraid (I can go on) are all wayyyyy worse
BecauseI am more of a book person for HP I did not care about Deathly Hallows. Can't read sparkly vampires and can't watch them. LOL
I'm glad I'm not crazy when I say that the first Dune feels incomplete. Visually beautiful, but incomplete, and considering it's a movie that lasts 2 and a half hours, it was tiring for me to watch
Great vid!
Lost me with the good dad coefficient
Why's that?
Fantastic video as always! Respectfully, though, Villaneuve is pronounced vi-ya-nweh-vah 🙂
Oh dang, that's my bad. All my energy was not being one of those americans that pronounced his first name like tennis. Ill be sure to right the error next time i talk about him!
NO!!! Denis Villeneuve is French Canadian...your video pronunciation of his name is correct!
Then i take it all back!
You should have old me how many minutes to skip to the part that talks about Dune and how it couldn't do what twilight apparently did...
There's a transcript function on desktop if you ever just want to search by keyword. I find that really helpful when I'm looking for a specific part of a video
This was a very good video. Insightful, informative and good choice of topic about 2 parters. Honestly focusing on the filmmaking with a fair, professional, and unbiased lens. I was afraid the title was sarcastic and the video would just dunk on Twilight and its fans in the most vile way. Thank you.
I think you could change the title of the video to advertise the actual content to something like - how Twilight does 2 Parter better than Dune ft. Harry Potter… Or keep the vague clickbait as is, it did make me click. As you wish. 👍🏻
DUNE was visually striking on a visceral level, yes. But the story development felt seriously off. Part one was promising and left me waiting for part two. Part two left me with a taste of stale bread. None of the emotional, psychological and social developments the book revolves around really got space to grow beneath the grandiose imagery. Paul is hesitant, than flips, and by popular demand goes hardcore jihad, nukes, warcrime, the end. poof.I don´t get why everyone is o about how strong Chani is in this installment. She isn´t. She just frowns and soldiers along. Its. Hm. And I liked the Sardaukar in the TV series better.
Wow this has been a terrible take. I can't even.
What kind of a criterion is “father figures”? Ran out of category ideas?
I believe it was clearly labeled a super scientific category
I am a fan of neither franchises/adaptations and I have no idea wtf kind of point this video is trying to make...
I know right
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial So you agree? How interesting...
Like a category for dads? What kind of silly goose does something like that. Honestly i should just get back in pond from whence I came
Dune part ONE is the badly structured one? lmao
In terms of structure yes.
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial In case, is the part 2 which feels rushed to some. Part 1 flows surprisingly well even it made a few sacrifices like the dinner scene not being there or no explanations for the mentats.
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